very cool!
#dev-general
surreal quarry
jovial warren
@ocean quartz you've done stuff with central, there's nothing wrong with https://paste.helpch.at/mocodejoma.cs is there?
no reason why that should give me a 401
onyx loom
๐ฅฒ
surreal quarry
lmao per version charge
jovial warren
I mean, I already have an account on BM's repo, but I wanted to try out central for this
kinda regretting my decision now ngl
onyx loom
just use jitpack ๐
prisma wave
depends
jovial warren
it ain't bloody wrong though
lunar cypress
Jitpack sucks though
ocean quartz
<@!180369172046413824> you've done stuff with central, there's nothing wrong wit...
No idea, used maven when was doing it fot central because with Gradle it would only stage had to be released (i think that's the word) manually
surreal quarry
prisma wave
epm repositories
jovial warren
might use Indra ngl
prisma wave
yes use jitpack
jovial warren
ocean quartz
Host nexus on your localhost open your port and share your ip ez
prisma wave
so smart!
jovial warren
surreal quarry
thats so smart!
prisma wave
do it in haskell
onyx loom
why has no one ever thought of that matt
surreal quarry
Wow! There's a docker image for sonatype nexus 3! Who would have imagined.
prisma wave
artifact <- fetchArtifact "elara"
jovial warren
epm fetch bombardygamer/minelara xD
lunar cypress
Repo that's only reachable when you're online sounds like an awesome idea
jovial warren
Repo that's only reachable when you're online sounds like an awesome idea
indeed it does
surreal quarry
Just leave your computer on all night
onyx loom
exactly!
surreal quarry
!!
prisma wave
just get a raspberry pi smh
onyx loom
not to mention that ur giving out ur ip directly!
prisma wave
or make a plugin to do it and then host it on server.pro ๐
lunar cypress
Oh my god
surreal quarry
obtuse gale
Windows 10 be like "How likely are you to recommend Calculator App to a friend or colleague?"
prisma wave
linux be like exists
jovial warren
mavenUsername='BomBardyGamer' well that might explain my issues
surreal quarry
docker volumes look very cool
might need to start using these
instead of paths in my home directory lmfao
onyx loom
mention docker and ull summon lemmo
surreal quarry
how do i summon a dad
onyx loom
๐ณ
half harness
oof i restarted intellij but it didn't open
and hasn't been opening for like the past 5 minutes
welp
obtuse gale
log out and log back in
obtuse gale
windows user
obtuse gale
mhm
jovial warren
I've changed my mind, publishing to Maven Central ez
just gotta set everything up right
lunar cypress
yep keep telling yourself that
you will change your mind very quickly whenever you use a different language and deploy there
jovial warren
attempt #2 btw
attempt #1 failed because my key wasn't on a verified key server lol
and here we go, it's released
surreal quarry
over an hour to deploy lol
jovial warren
I got the response that I was allowed to use this at 18:35 lol
surreal quarry
lmao
jovial warren
https://issues.sonatype.org/projects/OSSRH/issues/OSSRH-64655?filter=allissues looks like Morgan Stanley's trying to claim their namespace lol
efe!
how's it going? lol
@ocean quartz btw, after you've posted a comment saying you've published your component, is it manual verification or what?
ocean quartz
Uh i don't remember
jovial warren
https://issues.sonatype.org/browse/OSSRH-50944?jql=text ~ "ipsk" looks like yours was a bit different
yours was automatic, but it took a couple of hours
just wondering
obtuse gale
what the fuck
ocean quartz
^
jovial warren
lunar cypress
call 110
jovial warren
110?
surreal quarry
its probably their emergency number
jovial warren
EU?
ocean quartz
Yeah, for us it works for everything you call and explain and they'll send accordingly
ocean quartz
911 works in EU too since tourists sometimes don't know the emergency number of the country
jovial warren
111 for non-emergency NHS, and 101 for non-emergency police
and then if you want to report something to the local police, you just ring their landline number
surreal quarry
emergency numbers seems like a thing that should be standardized lol
lunar cypress
yes but you can still call it for any emergency, they will redirect you
winter iron
lunar cypress
mainly so you have a single number across many countries that people can memorise
surreal quarry
lol
surreal quarry
yep
ocean quartz
I hate it
jovial warren
that's what the ASC files are for
I love the idea of signing your shit for verification
that's an amazing idea
obtuse gale
imagine using repo.maven.apache.org instead of repo1.maven.org
jovial warren
I just googled "Maven Central" and that's what I found lol
right, that's adventure replaced
time to replace adventure NBT lol
surreal quarry
gets error
spends 2 more hours
hates central
continues using repo.bristermitten.me
jovial warren
lol
lunar cypress
switches to clojars
jovial warren
"clojars"?
jovial warren
wow, I didn't know trash languages made that sorta stuff
lunar cypress
it's a maven repo
reject evolution bardy
send me a fax tomorrow
after you've signed the maven central contract by hand
jovial warren
after you've signed the maven central contract by hand
you know my thing's already on Central right? lol
jovial warren
wonder how long it'll take https://search.maven.org and https://mvnrepository.com to update
lunar cypress
I do wonder
prisma wave
also im 50 minutes through that haskell ivory tower video
lunar cypress
with clojars I just type lein deploy and I'm done 
prisma wave
i must say it's very interesting
jovial warren
also, anyone got any CI recommendations btw?
surreal quarry
with clojars I just type `lein deploy` and I'm done <:fingerguns:730681133200834...
how much easier is it compared to gradle publish (not on central)
jovial warren
debating whether to self-host Jenkins again or go for a cloud hosted one
surreal quarry
i assume you still need to configure some stuff
prisma wave
everything's easy compared to central
surreal quarry
yea ik
im saying compared to publishing on a self hosted repo for example
like if i wanna deploy an api for a plugin, i just run gradle publish. i had to do some minor setup initially so it knows my credentials and stuff, but now that its setup its just one command
im assuming clojars is similar
jovial warren
also, me using Central means I don't have to worry about allocating 4 cores and 8 GB RAM just to host Nexus lol
prisma wave
https://github.com/clojars/clojars-web/wiki/Tutorial according to this, incredibly easy
you just put username and password and url in ~/.lein/init.clj and it works
from what i can see
not speaking from experience
surreal quarry
yea this does look pretty easy
lunar cypress
yeah you just get a one time token and you're done
jovial warren
also, can I get some feedback on the Komponent DSL?
is ```kotlin
component {
translation("key") {
children {
text("I am text! I am part of the with of the translation component above!")
}
}
}
tempted to just have xComponent (e.g. textComponent, translationComponent, etc.) instead of component, to avoid having to throw an UnsupportedOperationException when someone tries to define 2 root components
textComponent("I am text!") {
color = NamedColor.BLACK
formatting {
bold = true
italic = true
}
text("I am a child of my parent!")
}
```thinking this is a bit cleaner
distant sun
translation as in text depending on the client language?
jovial warren
yeah
distant sun
nice
prisma wave
considering the focus on DSLs in kotlin, it is surprising that there's not much type safety with them
not type safety
you know what i mean
static checking
prisma wave
tempted to just have `xComponent` (e.g. `textComponent`, `translationComponent`,...
for example, making sure at compile time that this can't happen
jovial warren
top vs bottom
prisma wave
comparing apples and oranges
prisma wave
theyre different?
jovial warren
nah
lunar cypress
is "apples and oranges" a thing?
surreal quarry
yea people say that
jovial warren
is "apples and oranges" a thing?
you've never heard the expression "it's like comparing apples to oranges" before?
maybe just a British thing
surreal quarry
we say it in the US
prisma wave
anyway, there's not an obvious difference between the 2, because they're different
lunar cypress
no, but I haven't picked up all the collocations native speakers use yet
jovial warren
we say it in the US
didn't know you were from the US
lunar cypress
I was just interested here because it's "apples and pears" in my language
surreal quarry
didn't know you were from the US <:KEKW:686303580176646187>
indeed
jovial warren
the land of the dummies
surreal quarry
๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
I was just interested here because it's "apples and pears" in my language
yeah that seems to be the EU equivalent
i think it's said here sometimes though
surreal quarry
also bardy it seems like your dsl could get very "arrow codey," but i might be misunderstanding it
prisma wave
yeah that seems to happen pretty regularly with DSLs
consider using EDN instead ๐
jovial warren
also bardy it seems like your dsl could get very "arrow codey," but i might be m...
yeah that's the problem
that's why I suggested option #2
surreal quarry
could you do it similar to this where its like in order is how it gets added instead of each "node" has children
why am i doing my ifs like that
lmao
jovial warren
I don't like the Bungee component DSL
or whatever tf that is meant to be
the bungee component builder is horrible
surreal quarry
thats just calling .apply on a ComponentBuilder lol
prisma wave
@lunar cypress Do you know if there's a reason why in clojure and many other FP langs, lists don't provide random access by default? (instead having distinct vector, array, etc types). I assume the reason is that the persistent implementations are something like a linked list, but could you confirm? not sure how to google this lol
lunar cypress
well they usually do, don't they?
prisma wave
not in constant time i mean
or do they?
if so, what's the point of vectors / arrays?
lunar cypress
yeah that's implementation detail
I suppose what you're asking is why linked lists are the default
prisma wave
yeah
jovial warren
@prisma wave btw, for commands, we gonna use Brigadier? or we going for our own custom systemโข๏ธ?
jovial warren
I mean, used by pretty much every other impl
surreal quarry
brigadier is good
jovial warren
as I think just about everyone's said before, looking for an alternative to open-source software is just dumb
gonna need to add a DSL to that though
because builders ew
lunar cypress
well that's mostly because they're the most basic (and often cheapest) immutable data structure you can think of. But there's usually a bit more to this, most notably laziness
jovial warren
LiteralCommandNode<?> timeCommand = LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("time")
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("set")
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("day"))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("noon"))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("night"))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("midnight"))
.then(RequiredArgumentBuilder.argument("time", IntegerArgumentType.integer())))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("add")
.then(RequiredArgumentBuilder.argument("time", IntegerArgumentType.integer())))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("query")
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("daytime"))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("gametime"))
.then(LiteralArgumentBuilder.literal("day"))
).build();
```๐คฎbeautiful in Java, disgusting in Kotlin
lunar cypress
In Haskell lists are lazy, and in clojure you typically don't deal with lists but rather lazy sequences which are very similar in structure
prisma wave
i see
surreal quarry
gonna need to add a DSL to that though
yes please
prisma wave
is there not a persistent list implementation that also provides constant random access? or is there just no point
lunar cypress
but one of the most beautiful thing about them is definitely that you get an immutable data structure where insertion and removal is O(1) for both time and memory
prisma wave
yeah that's very cool
lunar cypress
is there not a persistent list implementation that also provides constant random...
to my knowledge that is impossible
prisma wave
huh okay
lunar cypress
I don't know what haskell has to offer, but Clojure uses a tree-like structure for vectors to make immutability cheap. It's "good enough" in most cases but not technically O(1)
prisma wave
Haskell possibly has something more efficient
lunar cypress
I believe in the case of vectors it's O(log n), but in practice the base of the logarithm is 32 so you pretty much approach constant time
prisma wave
oh yeah I think I remember watching a video on that
okay that makes sense, ty
in that case it would probably be a very good idea for Elara to have some sort of native lazy sequence, right?
jovial warren
literalCommand("time") {
literalArgument("set") {
literalArgument("day")
literalArgumen("noon")
literalArgument("night")
literalArgument("midnight")
requiredArgument<Int>("time")
}
literalArgument("add") {
requiredArgument<Int>("time")
}
literalArgument("query") {
literalArgument("daytime")
literalArgument("gametime")
literalArgument("day")
}
}
now that's what you call a DSL
lunar cypress
some sequence interface would be good, yeah
prisma wave
alrighty
i think i had a small idea for them, but i didn't realise just how important they were
lunar cypress
I actually think clojure data structures might beat haskell ones
lunar cypress
just a guess because a lot of research and time went into Clojure's data structures to make them practical and able to compete with mutable ones
while haskell focuses more on purity
prisma wave
yeah i've heard there's some overhead from some of the things they do
makes sense
i would've guessed Haskell's are faster because they aren't tied to a VM so there's more potential for optimisation
but maybe not
lunar cypress
but idk. Haskell can perform pretty well and it's hard to compare because of the different runtimes
prisma wave
yea there's probably not a huge difference either way
haskell would have the advantage of being native + statically typed though
prisma wave
JVM first
i wanna try do a native impl at some point
but that would require a lot more thought
lunar cypress
writing an entire runtime is not an easy thing to do
lunar cypress
and it most definitely should not be done before the reference implementation is mature enough
lunar cypress
i.e. never
lunar cypress
If you write to existing runtimes there's usually ways to do native anyway
GraalVM works pretty well for Clojure as an example
lunar cypress
yeah have fun writing a compiler for every target out there bardy
jovial warren
NASM's pretty nice
prisma wave
yeah have fun writing a compiler for every target out there bardy
yeah that also sounds painful
Elara on ARM
that would be cool
lunar cypress
that's why you scratch assembly and write to LLVM
jovial warren
I'd have to write NASM Linux x86, Linux ARM, MASM and AT&T
I think
AT&T though
fuck that
prisma wave
"Not configuration help"
jovial warren
prisma wave
i have had an idea that might be cool
currying but for all of the parameters
"total application"?
for example f :: a -> b, totally applying f would return a function () -> b
lunar cypress
foo(bar, _, baz, quz, _)
prisma wave
hmm?
prisma wave
is that already a thing
lunar cypress
idk, I mean it's all just a lambda with extra steps
prisma wave
yeah true
lunar cypress
or with less steps lol
prisma wave
yeah i guess it's not that useful
especially not in a pure lang
in haskell couldn't it just be a "variable" of type b?
since it would be lazily evaluated
prisma wave
if, for example it was a random number function rand :: Int -> Int, hs randInt = rand 30 would be the same thing as ```hs
randInt () = rand 30
I don't think so
yeah it's what I meant
Prelude> foo x = x + 5
Prelude> foo1 = foo 5
Prelude> :t foo1
foo1 :: Num a => a
Prelude> foo2 () = foo 5
Prelude> :t foo2
foo2 :: Num a => () -> a
not just slightly
one defines a function because of the empty parameter list
the other calls a function and defines a variable with the returned value
prisma wave
a1 = 3
a2 () = 3
``` these are both functionally equivalent though, right? the only difference is that `a2` requires `()`would something like replicateM 10 a1 evaluate 3 every time?
lunar cypress
isn't that for monads
jovial warren
https://i.imgur.com/uAPOcjZ.png anyone else sad enough to do this btw?
lunar cypress
they're still different types, I don't think you can pass a scalar as a function
lunar cypress
yeah
If you made a2 take one parameter that is discarded it would be equivalent to const 3
lunar cypress
yes bcs types
prisma wave
mhm
okay i see
do you know if there's a reason why the language actually distinguishes between the 2? since a scalar could be converted to a function taking unit and vice versa
i think
i guess in the case of stuff like random numbers where there would be a noticeable difference, that's covered with monads
lunar cypress
because there is no benefit to convoluting those concepts
it only creates ambiguity
prisma wave
fair enough
lunar cypress
at least the way the language is structured wouldn't profit from it
obtuse gale
still need help setting the module sdk through gradle
forest pecan
for some reason my intellij is freaking out and cant recognize dependencies
like it cant recognize import statements either
surreal quarry
invalidate & restart
ocean quartz
That moment when your code works fine, you stop working on it for a bit to add another part then go back to it and it no longer works
distant sun
:))
jovial warren
That moment when your code works fine, you stop working on it for a bit to add a...
familiar feeling
trying to think if ```kotlin
textComponent("I am text!") {
color = NamedColor.BLACK
formatting {
bold = true
italic = true
}
clickEvent = openURL("https://example.com")
hoverEvent = showText("I am hover text!")
text("I am child text!") {
color = NamedColor.WHITE
}
}
better than kotlin
component {
text("I am text!") {
color = NamedColor.BLACK
formatting {
bold = true
italic = true
}
clickEvent = openURL("https://example.com")
hoverEvent = showText("I am hover text!")
children {
text("I am child text!") {
color = NamedColor.WHITE
}
}
}
}
if you can add showItem without having to deserialize the item then you are gud
@jovial warren look at this smh
jovial warren
wdym without having to deserialise the item?
the way I serialise and deserialise any type of hoverevent content is proper hacks.exe
lemme show you
jovial warren
distant sun
I had to use nmshit
jovial warren
I had to use nmshit
items can have optional NBT iirc
but I've left that out for now
until me.bardy.nbt is made lol
jovial warren
good
@prisma wave stfu
just because you prefer Hibernate over Exposed
because somehow Hibernate is better for Kotlin
prisma wave
I prefer raw SQL queries to whatever tf exposed is trying to be
jovial warren
Exposed is amazing
prisma wave
It's so ugly
distant sun
how does hibernate looks like
prisma wave
Since always
jovial warren
Mr. <$> .:
distant sun
fr
prisma wave
Those aren't ugly
jovial warren
Those aren't ugly
prisma wave
how does hibernate looks like
Annotations
distant sun
yes, that's hideous
ocean quartz
Actually been using exposed and quite like it
distant sun
example bm
jovial warren
Hibernate (for Kotlin and non-Spring) bad
prisma wave
I'm on mobile
distant sun
that's so bad
prisma wave
Cba to find an example
jovial warren
gimme a min
jovial warren
I'll do it for you
prisma wave
surreal quarry
Thats a VERY good guide.
prisma wave
I know right!
distant sun
@get:GeneratedValue what's up with the @get:
jovial warren
@Entity
data class Player(
@Id val id: Int,
val uuid: UUID,
val name: String,
val kills: Int
)
```iircbut Hibernate is massive
prisma wave
`@get:GeneratedValue` what's up with the `@get:`
kotlin being ugly
jovial warren
`@get:GeneratedValue` what's up with the `@get:`
annotation target iirc
ocean quartz
Exposed:
object Users : Table() {
val id = integer("user_id").autoIncrement()
val name = varchar("name", 50)
override val primaryKey = PrimaryKey(id, name = "pk_user_id")
}
That's not really a fair comparison
distant sun
yeah let's just use all symbols we have
prisma wave
.: comes from a library
distant sun
they are there for a reason
prisma wave
That's not a standard thing
distant sun
and what does it mean bruh
prisma wave
idk
jovial warren
Exposed:
```kt
object Users : Table() {
val id = integer("user_id").autoIncr...
what you overriding the PK for?
prisma wave
Some sort of custom operator for serialization
distant sun
why do people hate themselves and write languages like that
jovial warren
also, why you defining an id there?
ocean quartz
what you overriding the PK for?
That's how you're supposed to do
prisma wave
<$> probably comes from the mathematical definition of a functor, since that's what it operates on
jovial warren
object Users : IntIdTable() {
val name = varchar("name", 50)
}
what are you doing with your life Matt
honestly
get on my level
ocean quartz
jovial warren
IntIdTable ain't deprecated
surreal quarry
right out of their readme lmao
distant sun
:))
surreal quarry
never used it but it looks like thats how they want it done
ocean quartz
I prefer to have my pk declared
jovial warren
IntIdTable automatically declares your ID field and PK for you
distant sun
unacceptable!
ocean quartz
Like i said i prefer to have it there visible lol
jovial warren
fair
jovial warren
lol
prisma wave
how exactly is this better than a data class + an annotation
ocean quartz
Hell yeah
jovial warren
how exactly is this better than a data class + an annotation
more lightweight
more idiomatic
distant sun
how exactly is this better than a data class + an annotation
LongLong.MAX_VALUE times better
plain sleet
Hello, I wish I could reload my plugin by storing a Multimap in a config.yml file and retrieve them afterwards, but I can't ... please help me.
jovial warren
actually it's not more idiomatic, that's a lie
ocean quartz
I find it ugly but i like it more than hibernate
prisma wave
more lightweight
It's more lightweight because it's barely an ORM... Hibernate abstracts literally everything away into a few functions
distant sun
where is the ugly party
prisma wave
LongLong.MAX_VALUE times better
That doesn't answer the question
jovial warren
It's more lightweight because it's barely an ORM... Hibernate abstracts literall...
alright Mr. Declarative good imperative bad
us normal people don't mind a bit of imperative programming
distant sun
return Answer(LongLong.MAX_VALUE times better)
happy now?
prisma wave
This is literally declarative
jovial warren
`return Answer(LongLong.MAX_VALUE times better)`
happy now?
LongLong?
distant sun
c has long long iirc
distant sun
lanfguags
steel heart
let x;
if (you) {
x = me
} else {
x = you
}```Shut
steel heart
noice
ocean quartz
Dgraph is what's hot
distant sun
Matt is hot
ocean quartz
๐ณ
steel heart
graphql
distant sun
graphsql looks interesting but cant find an use for it rn
prisma wave
graphql is overkill for a lot of projects
on the server side I mean
On the client side it's great
steel heart
Dgraph is a database with graphql built in, nerd
oh ok nice
steel heart
graphql is overkill for a lot of projects
quiet depot
whats graphql
I canโt remember
lemmo suggested I use it on docdex and I briefly looked into it
prisma wave
a query language
quiet depot
well more specifically I looked into neo4j, I think theyโre related
prisma wave
surreal quarry
those videos are so satisfying to me
surreal quarry
yea he does a great job
steel heart
fireship
quiet depot
aight iโm gonna implement that for docdex
steel heart
pog
half harness
when you look at https://blogs.oracle.com/thejavatutorials and see this:
also they make 1 sentence like 20 lines
unreadable
onyx loom
?
half harness
๐
celest phoenix
We're would I go for spigot dev support?
ocean quartz
celest phoenix
Gotcha ty
distant sun
https://i.imgur.com/oSPRkTU.png who doesn't love a 30m indexing
hot hull
Butiful
prisma wave
Damn everyone in kyori discord trash talking pdm๐
It's valid criticism but still hurts
frigid badge
show them screenshots
prisma wave
of what lol
frigid badge
of them trash talking ๐
prisma wave
o right
frigid badge
make my morning good
regal gale
There's my treasure ๐
distant sun
cant do "012345".indexOf(c) == -1 or smth like that?
regal gale
distant sun
isnt like you download a dependency every 5 minutes
prisma wave
I mean if a big plugin used it, it might
But it uses central mirrors anyway
Me and glare both host one
distant sun
I mean if a big plugin used it, it might
how so?
does it not download the dependencies on startup?
prisma wave
Yeah it does
But there are probably enough people using something like Essentials so it's equivalent
old wyvern
Not sure what they are complaining about tbf
prisma wave
Lack of relocation mostly
old wyvern
Ah
prisma wave
Which is obviously an issue
old wyvern
How about comparitive to Java?
prisma wave
But why not learn Elixir?
old wyvern
Is Elixir on BEAM?
prisma wave
BEAM ?
old wyvern
I was just asked to use Ejaberd so I assume any language on BEAM works
old wyvern
Also fully interoperable?
quiet depot
was haskell not designed to be useful?
old wyvern
Its more of an academic language piggy
distant sun
any idea how can I design a config system that extends YamlConfiguration or something?
prisma wave
Most of the old fp languages were just made for academics to circlejerk over type theory
quiet depot
gaby yamlconfiguration is an impl
I don't think you're meant to extend it
and why would you want to?
this might be an xy problem
distant sun
was trying to get a config class that I can use without configClass.getYaml().getString()
quiet depot
gaby simply don't use bukkit's config api
make your own objects
and use snakeyaml directly
@frigid badge do u use aws at work? https://web.archive.org/web/20210216153239/https://github.com/salesforce/endgame / https://github.com/brandongalbraith/endgame
distant sun
uhh
distant sun
for a chat filter, would be ok to have a list of regex patters and check if one matches instead of a big ass regex?
hot hull
Would it even affect the speed at all
old wyvern
for a chat filter, would be ok to have a list of regex patters and check if one ...
Probably not. If you're worried run a benchmark with the max amount of chars possible in chat
I believe there is a limit per message?
distant sun
256
probably not as in is not good or it won't matter xd
@old wyvern
also, where would I run this benchmark ๐ฎ
hot hull
Random message generator 
distant sun
lunar cypress
and it's a reasonable change otherwise
frigid badge
@quiet depot interesting, we don't use aws at work so no worries gladly.
quiet depot
ah that's too bad
u could've hijacked ur company and held them for ransom
personally, it's one of my favourite pastimes
frigid badge
lmao
old wyvern
@prisma wave btw bm how does pdm remove the need to relocate?
I just noticed that while reading through the kyori logs a bit earlier
prisma wave
it doesnt exactly
i think i wrote that part of the readme before i realised how important relocation was
old wyvern
ah, I think that part is what led them to the 'classloader' hack part
prisma wave
probably
old wyvern
They seem to have assumed you use an isolated classloader
prisma wave
yea
old wyvern
so other plugins taking in dependencies from this plugin would have issues
or something similar
Actually that shouldnt matter hmm
hot hull
Yugi, do you plan on playing wf consistently? Cause if yes I got some shit for you
hot hull
K neat
unkempt tangle
old wyvern
@prisma wave finally got it to work ๐ฎ
prisma wave
that is beautiful
hot hull
hAsKeLl
prisma wave
what does the .: do? i saw it's from that json library
old wyvern
๐ฅฒ Almost 2 days of work to finnaly understand how to resolve all that xD
prisma wave
is it just for getting an element in the json?
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ Almost 2 days of work to finnaly understand how to resolve all that xD
all worth it tho
old wyvern
what does the `.:` do? i saw it's from that json library
fetching a value from the json object
old wyvern
mhm
Was pretty large, had to rewrite the function to shorten it once I actually got it to compile
๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
yea I guess so
prisma wave
same with rust
old wyvern
this would just end up with a Nothing if any of the calls fail
prisma wave
very nice
old wyvern
(from a dummy acc ofc)
old wyvern
xD
hot hull
cute
static zealot
@prisma wave one more for the collection https://i.imgur.com/mwzqw6H.png
or maybe it looks better like this? https://i.imgur.com/MNaZn25.png
xD
prisma wave
i alreayd got that one lol
static zealot
oh ok
oh it is that old xD
no one removed it
thought its new didn't even look at the hour
jovial warren
lol
old wyvern
wonderful, 2 languages that idk and 1 that haunts my nightmares
old wyvern
๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
I have never used it tho ๐คท
old wyvern
I see
steel heart
its noice
half harness
๐ฎ i have an awesome idea to do with my new javafx skills
||an app to make a minecraft server (just the files, nothing like a start/stop button)||
jovial warren
text("I am text!") {
color = NamedColor.BLACK
text("I am child text!")
}
```how dis lookactually lemme edit that
how dat look
having text on the top level seems like it could take away from other functions
hot hull
This would be applied to which text?
color = NamedColor.BLACK
prisma wave
๐ฎ i have an awesome idea to do with my new javafx skills
||an app to make a min...
cli pls
๐
half harness
uhhhhhh
||nooooooo||
||i need to use javafx skills||
do u have an idea for a project?
prisma wave
how what
prisma wave
up to you
half harness
do you really like cli that much
half harness
then you'd love cli minecraft ๐
prisma wave
๐
half harness
๐
prisma wave
the benefit of CLI is that if you know what you want to do and how, you can do it much quicker than a GUI
prisma wave
sometimes significantly faster
depends on the task
i cant really think of a good example lol
prisma wave
i could type ./start-server --spigot faster than i could open a GUI, put in the values in different text boxes and click a start button
i think most people could
prisma wave
yea
half harness
i thought u meant like
prisma wave
what did you think i meant lol
surreal quarry
cli very good
prisma wave
o right
they can be nicer
npm init is pretty nice
you have a prompt to input project name, author, github url, version etc
rather than doing it all at once
surreal quarry
gradle init is also very nice
prisma wave
yeah that too
the gradle command line is good
often faster than navigating through a bunch of menus in IJ
surreal quarry
real ones run gradle in a docker container
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ
surreal quarry
realest ones run their whole computer in a docket container
half harness
i dont like cli bc u have to memorize the cmds
prisma wave
you definitely know the gradle ones off by heart for example
half harness
lol
prisma wave
gradle shadowJar, gradle build, gradle init, etc
surreal quarry
ill quiz you
go
half harness
- how do you delete all files in windows cmd prompt
prisma wave
idk
half harness
by all files i mean wipe the hard drive
surreal quarry
fuck windows
prisma wave
i barely use batch
surreal quarry
sudo rm -rf / โno-preserve-root in linux
prisma wave
lol
half harness
#2
surreal quarry
lmao
prisma wave
im not sure you should test that anyway
half harness
im not sure you should test that anyway
how come?
old wyvern
We just got asked to install wamp. Php is coming ๐ซ
regal gale
F
half harness
php bad or good?
old wyvern
php bad
prisma wave
very bad
half harness
because it would delete everything lol
oh
prisma wave
PHP and COBOL are the only 2 languages i would say are objectively "bad"
regal gale
Lua also ๐
prisma wave
never used lua but i've heard lua is good
half harness
gtg byee
prisma wave
adios
prisma wave
ill live
half harness
no u wont
prisma wave
ciao
regal gale
I hate lua on the way they are executed on runtime (thread)
Not too sure what are after that 
narrow geyser
I have CompleteableFuture<Person>
Person has level
And xp
I want to put placeholders for level and xp
old wyvern
old wyvern
No?
old wyvern
Ask in the right channel if you want help
narrow geyser
Ok someone go to support channel and help me
jovial warren
lol
also, me working on a Brigadier DSL
rate pls
literalArgument<Player>("time") {
literalArgument("set") {
literalArgument("day")
literalArgument("noon")
literalArgument("night")
literalArgument("midnight")
requiredArgument("time", integer)
}
literalArgument("add") {
requiredArgument("time", integer)
}
literalArgument("query") {
literalArgument("daytime")
literalArgument("gametime")
literalArgument("day")
}
}
thinking about it, maybe those extension ones don't need to be suffixed with "Argument"
consistency though amirite
old wyvern
you could possibly do better with infixes maybe
That doesnt look very diff from how brigadier already is
jovial warren
no but it's better than using a builder in Kotlin
also, how would I use infixes here?
regal gale
I will not rewrite
Copy-paste is a thing...
old wyvern
They form a left derivative tree when used in sequence I think
You could probably have people specify the whole command tree that way maybe?
jovial warren
literalArgument("time") then "set" then {
"day", "noon", "night", "midnight", required("time") type integer
}
```that wouldn't be bad, but likely wouldn't workThat is ew
hot hull
ew
jovial warren
top one ew?
prisma wave
```kotlin
literalArgument("time") then "set" then {
"day", "noon", "night", ...
There's no way that compiles
jovial warren
yeah that won't compile lol
old wyvern
why not? hmm
jovial warren
why would it?
prisma wave
the random strings + commas
jovial warren
you would probably need to use a collection there instead of a lambda
prisma wave
The rest is fine
jovial warren
```kotlin
literalArgument<Player>("time") {
literalArgument("set") {
...
I kinda like this though ngl
lunar cypress
tfw no macros
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ
jovial warren
that link just seems to send me to my own playground btw
old wyvern
oh wait
compact perchBOT
surreal quarry
Worked for me
ocean quartz
Same here
jovial warren
oh yeah, worked in different browser
old wyvern
You would have to replace the comma and stuff with something else I guess but it mostly works
jovial warren
not 100% sure on this DSL
because the trees would still turn out looking about the same
ocean quartz
infinx fun Any.`,`(any: Any) {}
There i made the comma work ez
old wyvern
It looks fairly better than what brigadier has I think
surreal quarry
```kotlin
literalArgument<Player>("time") {
literalArgument("set") {
...
I do like this
lunar cypress
why would you want to make this a sequential thing if you end up with a tree structure anyway
consider multiple layers of sub commands
jovial warren
literalArgument("time") then {
then "set" then {
then "day"
then "night"
}
then "query" then {
then "daytime" type integer
}
}
or something like that
ocean quartz
Too many then
old wyvern
literalArgument("time") then {
"set" then {
"day"
"night"
}
"query" then {
"daytime" type integer
}
}``` could be reduced to this I thinkyeah maybe
surreal quarry
Or Bardy. Have no DSL for it, build it into the commands system of minekraft directly.
jovial warren
MineKraft doesn't have a command system lol
not sure if I want to make one yet or not
hot hull
Disgusting
jovial warren
that's what this is a DSL for
surreal quarry
oh i was thinking brigadier was only for the colored arguments and stuff
thatโs gross donโt make it only brigadier lol
jovial warren
nah Brigadier is the full monty
hot hull
Make sure you add colored arguments support somehow
jovial warren
if Brigadier supports it, Admiral supports it lol
surreal quarry
j think a command system as a part of minekraft similar to mattโs lib maybe that automatically does brigadier colored arguments for you
jovial warren
@prisma wave what do you think? Brigadier or custom?
hot hull
Custom
jovial warren
we ain't using MF CMD
surreal quarry
custom for sure
jovial warren
you know Brigadier won't be for the frontend right btw?
old wyvern
we ain't using MF CMD
Start using it
surreal quarry
oh then do whatever you want lmao
jovial warren
we'll come up with a custom system for the API ofc
surreal quarry
i thought you were saying your solution to plugin commands was brigadier lol
old wyvern
Why two different systems?
jovial warren
but this is just for parsing and dispatching on the backend
old wyvern
Use the same one
surreal quarry
just use brigadier then
jovial warren
Why two different systems?
we need something to parse and dispatch on the backend that's not exposed on the frontend
and also, using existing free and open-source libraries > making your own
old wyvern
we need something to parse and dispatch on the backend that's not exposed on the...
Why?
prisma wave
the server doesn't really need to worry about this
jovial warren
because I don't want plugin developers to have to do dispatching on the backend
prisma wave
again, this is something that should be down to individual plugins to use
old wyvern
What dispatching on the backend do you mean?
jovial warren
Brigadier
old wyvern
So you dont want plugin developers to access brigadier?
jovial warren
I want them to be able to optionally access it, but not be forced to
Brigadier isn't designed for the frontend anyway
old wyvern
They dont need to be forced to anyway tho
If you have a proper interface set up to create commands you could use the same for internal purposes and allow developers to use that in plugins
jovial warren
maybe
jovial warren
that means I gotta create my own dispatcher from scratch though lol
old wyvern
Sure
jovial warren
project Admiral is a go I guess (name derived from lucko's commodore lol)
trying to think how I want this to work
also trying to resist the temptation to look at Brigadier source code for ideas lol
might make something similar to the way BungeeCord's command stuff works for the frontend
ocean quartz
These names lol
jovial warren
e.g. ```kotlin
class MyCommand : Command(name, permission, aliases) {
override fun execute(sender: Sender, args: List<Argument>) {
// do some thingys
}
}
or one better, suspend operator fun invoke
prisma wave
we do not need a separate project for every single thing
jovial warren
no but this is going to be separate
because it's mine xD
and because I want to make more standalone libs
prisma wave
ok but don't expect it to necessarily be used
we can just use brigadier on the server side and any other frameworks that people want can build upon that
jovial warren
that's literally what I said
distant sun
^
onyx loom
ok but don't expect it to necessarily be used
ok this means its not gonna be used
jovial warren
but Yugi said bad
distant sun
These names lol
+1
prisma wave
literally just something as basic as bukkit CommandExecutor would be fine
prisma wave
ok this means its not gonna be used
correct
jovial warren
yeah no that's trash BM
I want my method of defining commands, it better xD
Command(name, permission, aliases)
prisma wave
bukkit has that too
jovial warren
yeah but you're not really meant to use it
prisma wave
i didnt say a carbon clone of bukkit's system
but it's not the server's responsibility to provide an overengineered framework for very simple things
jovial warren
as long as we don't have ```kotlin
override fun onCommand(sender: Sender, command: Command, label: String, args: Array<String>)
yeah ik
the reason why we use Komponent is because it's lightweight for example
prisma wave
on the server layer you don't even need that
jovial warren
literally it's only purpose is easy serialisation and deserialisation to and from JSON with kotlinx.serialization
we are not writing raw JSON strings
that's a pain in the ass
jovial warren
it is when you gotta escape everything
and it's barely readable at the best of times
prisma wave
kotlin has raw strings, and i didn't say hardcoding
but there are very few situations where the server implementation ever needs to handle json data
jovial warren
I guess
prisma wave
the implementation should just take some json or some low level abstraction and send and receive it
jovial warren
except for chat messages, which the text gets wrapped
prisma wave
yes