dev-general

[jovial warren]

it was secured in Java 8

but Oracle said they wanted to remove it in Java 9 remember

o

it doesn't work

weird

oh yeah, never changed to 11

that's with 8

[lunar cypress]

@prisma wave scratch the id

[jovial warren]

yeah it just exits with code 1, doesn't throw an error or anything

[lunar cypress]

then it should work I think

and yeah const is curried

[prisma wave]

ok

im not sure i can easily google this because of the symbols so im gonna ask you, what's the difference between . and $?

. is for composition and $ is for chaining arguments?

[jovial warren]

public static Unsafe ventureIntoSomeUnknownDeepAndDarkForestToRetrieveThisThingTheyCallTheUnsafe() {
    try {
        Field field = Unsafe.class.getDeclaredField("theUnsafe");
        field.setAccessible(true);

        return (Unsafe) field.get(null);
    } catch (NoSuchFieldException | IllegalAccessException exception) {
        exception.printStackTrace();
    }

    throw new RuntimeException("How the fuck did we get here?");
}
```👌

actually I can make that better lol

[lunar cypress]

idk what $ is exactly so I went with what I know lol

[prisma wave]

oh ok lol

[lunar cypress]

. is definitely composition

[prisma wave]

afaik $ is for chaining arguments, eg a (b c) is the same as a $ b c

okay

so the const is just to avoid a messy lambda

[lunar cypress]

yeah

[prisma wave]

okay that looks good

let me test

[lunar cypress]

Ok then $ might be a more elaborate way of what I'm doing

[prisma wave]

seems weird that applyMaybe wouldn't be in the standard library

[old wyvern]

import Data.Maybe
import Text.Read
main = putStrLn (getType "asaswwfwef")

getType s = head $ catMaybes [
    (readMaybe s :: Maybe Integer) >>= (\x -> Just "integer"),
    (readMaybe s :: Maybe Float) >>= (\x -> Just "float"),
    Just "string"]

There we go

[prisma wave]

god

[old wyvern]

readMaybes type was one of the issues

xD

[prisma wave]

oh ofc

[lunar cypress]

makes sense

[prisma wave]

okay im a bit confused about yours johnny

(const (Just "integer")) this is of type Maybe String right?

[lunar cypress]

No

(b -> Maybe String) I think

[prisma wave]

lmao

uh ok

because of the laziness?

oh no

wait what lol

const :: a -> b -> a

[lunar cypress]

No bcs const is a -> b -> a

[prisma wave]

ohh

yeah

you're only applying 1 argument

right

okay

in that case

if applyMaybe :: Maybe a -> (a -> b) -> Maybe b, shouldn't the first argument be of type Maybe a not b -> Maybe a?

[lunar cypress]

and >>= makes sense, I think that's basically my applyMaybe

[lunar cypress]

It takes a function

[prisma wave]

probably a dumb question, is Maybe a a function?

[old wyvern]

no

[prisma wave]

then how is that working then?

[old wyvern]

oh yea the first argument there should be the maybe

reverse the arguments

[prisma wave]

aah right

okay

i thought i was missing something

[lunar cypress]

huh?

[old wyvern]

applyMaybe :: Maybe a -> (a -> b) -> Maybe b
applyMaybe (const (Just "integer")) (readMaybe s :: Integer)

[lunar cypress]

oh

yeah

[old wyvern]

in the bottom application the first argument ends uo being the function

mhm

[lunar cypress]

my mistake

[prisma wave]

okay great lol

[old wyvern]

🙃

[prisma wave]

i was so confused

okay this seems to work

now to try and comprehend yugi's

[old wyvern]

pretty much the same thing I think bm

[lunar cypress]

yeah

[prisma wave]

yeah

[lunar cypress]

Just that you actually know your stuff lol

[prisma wave]

just trying to understand the semantics of >>= in this case

it's pretty much like Optional#or right?

[old wyvern]

yes

[prisma wave]

great

[lunar cypress]

More like Optional#map, no?

[old wyvern]

if lhs is Nothing it does nothing

[prisma wave]

possibly

[old wyvern]

if lhs is just it maps to a new Maybe value with the lambda

[old wyvern]

true yes

[lunar cypress]

yeah that's not or

[prisma wave]

oh what

ohh

yeah

i see

[old wyvern]

the returned value is also a Maybe bm

[prisma wave]

if present, map to Just "integer" etc

ic

[lunar cypress]

semantically equivalent to the applyMaybe function i made

[prisma wave]

right

[old wyvern]

mhm

[prisma wave]

awesome

okay that makes sense

i changed it to use const too which looks a bit nicer

ty for assistance

line <- getLine
putStrLn $ getType line
``` is there any way to condense this into 1 line?

i feel like there is

i need a function m a -> (a -> b) -> m b

similar to >>=

i think

aha fmap

maybe

wait no

because putStrLn wants a String not an IO String

🥲

[old wyvern]

I mean

main = (getLine >>= (\x -> return (getType x))) >>= putStrLn

You probably dont want to do that tho

xD

[prisma wave]

oh my god

that is awful

[old wyvern]

ikr

[prisma wave]

so is there no way to do this?

without <-

[old wyvern]

<- is just a shorthand for the callbacks like above

[prisma wave]

right

[old wyvern]

f = do
    a <- getLine
    putStrLn a

is equivalent to

f = getLine >>= (\a -> putStrLn a)

[prisma wave]

isn't that also equivalent to ```hs
f = getLine >>= putStrLn

[old wyvern]

Yup

But ther eis possibly that wrapping function as it considers the rest of the body to be a continuation

similar to how suspend works on kotlin

[prisma wave]

uh

[old wyvern]

whats wrong?

[prisma wave]

wdym?

[old wyvern]

everything after a suspend function is part of a Continuation

[prisma wave]

yeah

[old wyvern]

yea <- is similar

[prisma wave]

oh

[forest pecan]

What the hell does Task 'wrapper' not found in project '[project name here]'

[obtuse gale]

it means you are homosexual

[forest pecan]

how do i undo

[obtuse gale]

is that the error where the entire build.gradle is greyed out kinda?

[forest pecan]

no

its just when building

[obtuse gale]

idk then

[hot hull]

@forest pecan means you don't have the wrapper within the project, gradle init should fix it

[forest pecan]

ah

ty

[old wyvern]

Those variable names 🥲

[frail glade]

I think I can count the pixels in that photo.

[hot hull]

Lol

[old wyvern]

There we go

Was stuck at 144p for some reason

[hot hull]

Not too shabby

[quiet depot]

@hot hull do you not go to school or something

how do you have 40 hours

[obtuse gale]

my time stats all messed up cos i leave my IJ open

[quiet depot]

that's not how it works

[obtuse gale]

isnt it?

[quiet depot]

no

[obtuse gale]

Is it code time?

[quiet depot]

it's based on when you're typing

and it has a cooldown

[obtuse gale]

o... thats concerning

[quiet depot]

after 2 minutes or so from when you stopped typing, it'll stop counting

[regal gale]

https://dev.bukkit.org/projects/projectiletrajectory I really like this project though, ngl

But it only supported on version under 1.12-

So the project was open-sourced, and when I am looking at the code...

[dawn hinge]

How wonderful

[regal gale]

And if anyone is wondering why I'm editing it, I'm just updating it to 1.16 ._.

[hot hull]

I have online school, except today

I'm an active person, what can I say

[regal gale]

Bro, is this a freaking joke?

Snowball action in PlayerInteractEvent doesn't even work right (Spigot API 1.16.4)

It fires both action LEFT_CLICK_AIR and RIGHT_CLICK_AIR at the same time

It only happens for snowball; every item else works fine

[old wyvern]

wdym?

Both the hands firing an event is normal

[regal gale]

That happened when I shoot snowball

2 actions fire in 1 click, why

[old wyvern]

oh wait, it fired left click and right click?

weird

[jovial warren]

imagine having to go to school

it's half term for me (basically, we get a 1 week break in around the middle of every term which we call "half term", for those unfamiliar)

[jovial warren]

arrow code

[winter iron]

Not even using private methods for events, smh

[regal gale]

??

[distant sun]

You can't?

[winter iron]

u can

idk why

but it works fine

[dawn hinge]

You can actually

[prisma wave]

hi clever haskell people, any idea what's wrong with this? ```hs

split :: [String] -> [[String]]
split [] = []
split a = [a]
split (a:b) = [[a], [b]]
split (a:b:c) = [[a] ++ parts[0], [b] ++ parts[1]] where parts = split c

eg split [1, 2, 3, 4] returns [[1, 3], [2, 4]]

not sure what's wrong but the compiler seems to think split (a:b) = [[a], [b]] is wrong for some reason

[old wyvern]

The patterns for the list are probably incomplete there

this should be an easier way to do it

import Data.List
import Data.Maybe

main = putStrLn (show (split [1, 2, 3, 4]))


split l = do
        let isEvenIndexed l x = 
                fromMaybe False $ (elemIndex x l) >>= (\x -> Just $ x `mod` 2) >>= (\x -> Just $ x == 0)
        partition (isEvenIndexed l) l

@prisma wave

[prisma wave]

hmm

[old wyvern]

Its not that cryptic

Give reading that an attempt

[prisma wave]

lmao

[old wyvern]

Thats pretty much equivalent to what you would have with streams in java?

Or kotlin?

or similar

[regal gale]

Oh no

[old wyvern]

👏

[prisma wave]

yeah the process isn't that different, the syntax is just different

[old wyvern]

Even that not by much I think

Learn? xD

[prisma wave]

the first element in a List of Optionals filtered where Optional#isPresent

[old wyvern]

https://www.haskell.org/

[prisma wave]

wiki.bristermitten.me 🙂

[old wyvern]

They have an easy interactive tutorial on the website

[onyx loom]

no

[old wyvern]

There are a few jvm ports

That probably isnt clean anyway efe

Those are just what is written fast during coc

[prisma wave]

coc code is never readable lol

[old wyvern]

mhm

😇

[prisma wave]

ok i think i mostly understand what's going on here

[prisma wave]

ooo nice

🙄

[old wyvern]

Finally got everything installed

[prisma wave]

nice

have you ever used either?

[old wyvern]

xD

[prisma wave]

wow

👏

you are now an expert on both

[old wyvern]

"I dont know Egyptian, Cant read, 10/10 sucks. k tnx bye"

[onyx loom]

🤨

[prisma wave]

you can make an informed opinion

this isn't informed

[old wyvern]

Make an opinion once you have made an attempt

[prisma wave]

^^

lmao

fair

[old wyvern]

lol

[prisma wave]

why use multiple >>=s here? can't you do ```hs
fromMaybe False $ (elemIndex x l) >>= (\x -> Just $ x mod 2 == 0)

[old wyvern]

Yea you can

[prisma wave]

the same way you learn what public static void main means

only because you know what each of those things mean

and what does static mean?

what does void mean?

what exactly does public mean?

[old wyvern]

A beginner does not know

[prisma wave]

you only know that because you actually learned the language...

^^

[old wyvern]

Thats the point

You gotta make an attempt to learn before you can judge

[prisma wave]

if you've never seen java before , that code makes no sense

not necessarily

public to what?

what's a class?

why is it public?

[old wyvern]

I've seen many people ask what that means

[onyx loom]

lol

[old wyvern]

A lot of juniors this year got into java

xD

[onyx loom]

yes

[old wyvern]

18*

[prisma wave]

i wont deny that imperative languages are usually easier to understand than declarative

[old wyvern]

Lets rather not

No need to be disrespectful to them

[prisma wave]

but every language has its own quirks that wont make sense if youve never learned that language

[onyx loom]

take lambdas as an example ig

if u look at a lmbda first ull have no idea what it is

[old wyvern]

Again, this is all just random stuff coming from a person who hasnt yet tried

If you dont know arabic, you aint reading arabic

And you shouldnt expect to read arabic until you learn to do so

[lunar cypress]

intuitive readability is not everything

[prisma wave]

im sure a beginner would have no trouble understanding this ```java
Optional.ofNullable(v)
.map(Math::sqrt)
.or(() -> Optional.of(2 << 4));

[old wyvern]

😂

[prisma wave]

they're not the same thing

[old wyvern]

wrong comparision

[onyx loom]

im sorry to ruin ur dreams sir. im just built different and i can already read and write arabic after looking at the first page of a book

[prisma wave]

you can't compare those 2

[old wyvern]

public static void main(String[] args) {
}

main = ()

[lunar cypress]

(act like you dont know both languages)
not really possible, also yeah those snippets are not equivalent.

[old wyvern]

thats better

[prisma wave]

let's compare java public final class Main { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello World"); } } with ```hs
main = putStrLn "Hello World"

which is easier?

[onyx loom]

lol

[old wyvern]

lies

xD

[quiet depot]

not even a final class

[onyx loom]

lmao

[prisma wave]

soz

[hot hull]

Not even final args

[onyx loom]

haskell is obviously easier to read there

[lunar cypress]

we're having a discussion without fixed premises here

For example, what constitutes a "beginner"

Someone who hasn't touched any programming language at all?

[prisma wave]

^^ someone who's never used either language isn't gonna be able to understand either

[lunar cypress]

Any other background knowledge?

[onyx loom]

python

[prisma wave]

no programming knowledge at all?

then they won't understand either...

[old wyvern]

lol

[prisma wave]

haskell is closer to english in that example

but that's not how to rate a language

skript looks like english

it doesnt make it good

[onyx loom]

java got more words in it so that means the language can do more things so its better right?

[old wyvern]

Speaking of which https://osmosianplainenglishprogramming.blog/

[prisma wave]

yep!

[lunar cypress]

I would agree that yes, imperative style is more intuitive in the beginning, but I'd also argue that this isn't fixed and will change according to how much you learn. Now you may say "sure, but that's not only true for beginners" but I think it's simpler to recognise with beginners

[prisma wave]

i love putting at least 4 keywords and annotations for every method 🙂

[lunar cypress]

I mean people experiment with teaching complete beginners a lisp as a first language

[quiet depot]

is that about the plain english compiler I've seen floating around yugi?

[lunar cypress]

And the learning curve of reading that is not very steep

[old wyvern]

Probably yea piggy

[quiet depot]

I saw some guy plugging it on quora a while ago

[old wyvern]

Yea I saw it there too I think

or maybe on stackoverflow

not sure

[prisma wave]

imperative is usually more intuitive to a beginner, but does that mean it's better?

[quiet depot]

according to md_5 no, frvlstsyibyr wins

declarative*

[prisma wave]

lmao

[quiet depot]

gotta love typing one key to the right on every key

[old wyvern]

Seems the haskell opposer had fled

[lunar cypress]

The point I was trying to make regardless of what you think is better is that readability should be seen as a graph over time spent learning, not a fixed rating

[old wyvern]

!! cheers to haskell gang

[prisma wave]

coward

haskell wins again

[old wyvern]

========

[lunar cypress]

And I would still argue that Haskell has a rather steep curve

[prisma wave]

haskell has a very steep curve

for me at least

compared to other less strict FP langs

[lunar cypress]

Just talking about readability here, obviously in most other aspects Haskell is very difficult too

[unkempt tangle]

haskeli?

is that c

[prisma wave]

lol

the complete opposite

[unkempt tangle]

c#

[prisma wave]

[unkempt tangle]

Sharp is different

[prisma wave]

1 c-style language is not "the complete opposite" of c

lol

https://www.haskell.org/ 🙂

[lunar cypress]

Haskell is Haskell

[onyx loom]

https://wiki.bristermitten.me/what-is-haskell

aaaaa

[prisma wave]

wow!

YES

[old wyvern]

IO Haskell

[prisma wave]

it actually took me to haskell

[onyx loom]

lol

[prisma wave]

ocaml 😦

[unkempt tangle]

https://foundation.rust-lang.org/members/

eww google

[prisma wave]

rust

rust has caused a lot of internal conflict

so safe and pragmatic but it's imperative 😦

[lunar cypress]

wrong

it's actually a dialect of haskal

[prisma wave]

oh

okay

great

so rust is the perfect language then!

[old wyvern]

Wait really?

[prisma wave]

well

they both have let

they both have functions

seems pretty similar

[quiet depot]

rust is haskell without hkts

[old wyvern]

let seems to be common among the best languages 🙂

[quiet depot]

worst*

[prisma wave]

hkts?

[old wyvern]

hkts?

[quiet depot]

higher kinded types

[unkempt tangle]

senpai is hyperactive once again.

[prisma wave]

oh

[quiet depot]

lol idk what i'm talking about

[unkempt tangle]

We might send him to a sandbox once again.

[prisma wave]

me neither

[quiet depot]

literally just found a gist

[unkempt tangle]

https://play.rust-lang.org

[quiet depot]

https://gist.github.com/graninas/22ab535d2913311e47a742c70f1d2f2b

then another gist incase i was asked what a htk was

which I was

so was definitely worth finding it

https://gist.github.com/CMCDragonkai/a5638f50c87d49f815b8

[prisma wave]

the rest of you will wonder for a very long time
😦

[unkempt tangle]

Without any knowledge about neither of those two languages.

But Rust simply cant die yet, cuz it brings solutions everyone seeks.

[prisma wave]

clever type systems are so cool

like i dont understand them

but it's crazy how simple java's is in comparison

[unkempt tangle]

;c

[quiet depot]

it is beyond me how my school managed to acquire a pdf of my physics textbook

i scoured the interwebs for ages looking for one

[prisma wave]

maybe you get one when you buy the book

[quiet depot]

no you don't

[old wyvern]

What if....

They

[quiet depot]

you get access to some weird online viewer, full of drm

but it's not a pdf

[old wyvern]

scanned it

[quiet depot]

it's not a scan

[old wyvern]

Maybe a digital copy is distributed to the school by your syllabus centre?

[quiet depot]

could be

except some of the other textbooks that are provided to us online are scans, as you said before

and some textbooks simply aren't available online

[old wyvern]

weird

[lunar cypress]

l*bgen?

[quiet depot]

wat

[lunar cypress]

have you looked there

not condoning pirated books of course

[quiet depot]

don't see it on there

but thanks for telling me about that site

will come in handy

people say "for educational purposes" when doing sketchy shit all the time

and I feel like this is the one time where it actually, truly applies

[heady birch]

What is an HKT?

[lunar cypress]

I can't believe I now actually understand terms like "endofunctors in the category of types"

[prisma wave]

dear god

[prisma wave]

You will need to study category theory for 10 years and acquire a PhD before you can understand them

So I've heard

[lunar cypress]

basically when type constructors in data (Haskell) or enum (Rust) constitute an own type

[jovial warren]

private class ComponentHolder(override val extra: MutableList<Component>) : Component {

    override val data: ComponentData
        get() = throw UnsupportedOperationException("Not allowed!")

    override val colour: Colour
        get() = throw UnsupportedOperationException("Not allowed!")

    override val clickEvent: ClickEvent
        get() = throw UnsupportedOperationException("Not allowed!")

    override val hoverEvent: HoverEvent<*>
        get() = throw UnsupportedOperationException("Not allowed!")
}
```👌

lol

I wanted the DSL to return a single Component object, so had to make an implementation specifically to store the children components

[hot hull]

"Colour"

you should be shot

[jovial warren]

[hot hull]

Might want to add proper reasons on the gets

Otherwise it can get confusing as shit

[jovial warren]

Komponent's colours all have colour spelt the British way

1. because I'm British
2. to avoid confusion with existing colour objects, such as AWT's Color

and I thought ComponentColor was a bit too long

and didn't want to copy adventure's TextColor

[hot hull]

ColorComponent

[jovial warren]

that will confuse it with component types

e.g. TextComponent, KeybindComponent, SelectorComponent, TranslationComponent and ScoreComponent

those are the 5 chat component types

also, wanna see the DSL I made for this?

component {
    text("Hello World!") {
        colour = NamedColour.BLACK
        formatting {
            bold = true
            italic = true
        }
        clickEvent = ClickEvent.openURL("https://example.com")
        hoverEvent = HoverEvent.showText("Click me")

        children {
            text("I am a child!")
        }
    }
}

mmmmm

[hot hull]

children {
text("I am a child!")
}
Indeed you are

[jovial warren]

oi

also, wanna see some RGB conversions?

[hot hull]

pray for me rn plz

[jovial warren]

fun toInt() = red shl 16 or green shl 8 or blue

[hot hull]

Goddamn this fucking whore

[jovial warren]

fun fromInt(value: Int) = RGB((value shr 16) and 0xFF, (value shr 8) and 0xFF, (value shr 0) and 0xFF)

[onyx loom]

NullPointerException 🥲

[jovial warren]

phat oof

[onyx loom]

guess where u dont get them

[jovial warren]

Kotlin

https://tenor.com/GwPo.gif

[onyx loom]

clojure

nil

[prisma wave]

DRY you coward

[jovial warren]

wat?

[prisma wave]

Sadly that translates to NPEs 🥲

[prisma wave]

Don't Repeat Yourself

[onyx loom]

🥲

[prisma wave]

Haskell doesn't have NPEs

Fun fact

[onyx loom]

omg haskell good?

[jovial warren]

how does one not repeat oneself there?

[prisma wave]

yes!

Make a function to throw the exception

[jovial warren]

[prisma wave]

Also

MutableList 😐

Not happy about that

Not happy at all

[jovial warren]

it's because the DSL's list is mutable

actually wtf am I doing with my life

[hot hull]

I don't know either, dw

[prisma wave]

ban mutability

Also those static functions are ew

Top level those bad boys

[jovial warren]

also, can I have an interface val that is overridden with an unreadable val?

[prisma wave]

what

[jovial warren]

actually I can just remove it from the super

[prisma wave]

what

[jovial warren]

no reason for it to be there

I had children and formatting as public vals in Component.Builder (extended by each component type's builder), but I didn't want people to be able to access them in the DSL

[prisma wave]

why

why public i mean

[jovial warren]

because you can't make vals protected or private in interfaces

they have to be public

I fixed that now anyway by just moving those into the impls

now gotta figure out how I'm gonna serialise this lol

[hot hull]

One day, one day I won't be such a failure

[half harness]

Doesn't know what you're talking about || 😔 ||

[hot hull]

@heady birch When does JFrame#paintComponent get called?

[prisma wave]

use an abstract class then

[half harness]

javafx is so awesome 😍

[jovial warren]

yeah JavaFX >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swing > AWT

[prisma wave]

elm

[hot hull]

Honestly can't be fucked with javafx

[jovial warren]

wdym

it's so ez

[hot hull]

no I mean the usecase is so simple it's not worth

[half harness]

it literally has a app where you can drop and drag items

like buttons

and text

its so EASY

[hot hull]

But I mean the more you talk about it the more I'm tempted in switching

[jovial warren]

you think JavaFX is just designed for advanced use cases?

you know it's built around simplicity right?

[half harness]

imagine typing to make guis 🤮

[jovial warren]

also, Swing is old (and I think deprecated)

[hot hull]

Honestly fuck you, switching

[half harness]

🥳

get scenebuilder

thats this thing right here

[jovial warren]

imagine needing that

[half harness]

._.

[jovial warren]

<VBox>
    <Label text="Hello World!"/>
</VBox>
```ez

[hot hull]

dw

[half harness]

edited your message -_-

[jovial warren]

dependency for JavaFX is a separate JDK module iirc

[prisma wave]

absolutely horrid

[jovial warren]

for OpenJDK it's OpenJFX

[heady birch]

When ever it needs repainting

[jovial warren]

JavaFX good Swing bad AWT bad

[heady birch]

You can call repaint() yourself and it will call it aswell

[half harness]

plugins {
    id 'org.openjfx.javafxplugin' version '0.0.9'
}
javafx {
    modules = [ 'javafx.controls' , 'javafx.fxml' ]
    version = '11.0.2'
}

thats all i put

[jovial warren]

looks about right

[half harness]

in build.gradle

[prisma wave]

build.sbt

.cabal

[jovial warren]

ew

I swear SBT is that thing Scala uses

[half harness]

ill showcase my project that is super ez to make once you learn how to use containers in javafx

https://streamable.com/ctsd04

epic

sorry for the first 10 seconds, sharex does some weird stuff

[hot hull]

How do you apply a plugin to only one module?

[half harness]

gradle plugin?

[hot hull]

yes

[half harness]

go to its build.gradle

maybe

🤷

and do apply plugin: blah

[heady birch]

Good work although I can suggest never actually releasing whatever it is with that Progessbar with gui programming I could never structure it nicely and after the app starts getting big it starts getting messy for me with dependencies everywhere absolutely everywhere

[jovial warren]

apply from?

[half harness]

talking to me?

or frosty

[half harness]

maybe

apply something

😛

[heady birch]

you

[half harness]

oh

[frigid badge]

nice work dkim

[half harness]

wdym by this:

it starts getting messy for me with dependencies everywhere absolutely everywhere

[half harness]

thx! 🙂

[heady birch]

I believe java fx is better

In the fact you can bind stuff to objects and things

[half harness]

me too

[heady birch]

And I quite like that it's all CSS powered

[half harness]

this is just my hierarchy

[heady birch]

What's that GUI designer?

[jovial warren]

JavaFX

[half harness]

SceneBuilder

i added all the HBoxes so that it wouldn't be right above and below each other

[jovial warren]

imagine needing a GUI designer

FXML

[half harness]

-_-

[unkempt tangle]

javafx?

[half harness]

this is the preview

[hot hull]

God it's annoying creating new modules which depend on frameworks

[half harness]

yes

[unkempt tangle]

use scenebuilder

[half harness]

its a library for creating guis

-_-

[unkempt tangle]

wtih With eclipse

[hot hull]

Die.

[half harness]

^

[heady birch]

I think I once used ORACLE JavaFX Scene Builder 2.0

[half harness]

you realize scenebuilder uses javafx...

[half harness]

oracle 👀

[unkempt tangle]

Yeah

it does

[half harness]

i dont get you n3w0rk

[unkempt tangle]

cuz I am too fast for ya

[half harness]

also

[heady birch]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/12/05/oracle-allegedly-underpaid-women-minorities-by-million-now-details-are-set-come-out-court/

[half harness]

this thing took me like 5 hours to figure out how to center it

then i found out that im dumb

and it took 2 seconds to center it

[heady birch]

E

[prisma wave]

i am sure JAMES GOSLING had a part to play in this !!

[heady birch]

Lawrence Joseph Ellison is the oracle CEO!

Okay this SCENE BUILDER is kind of cool

How does JAVA FX performance comapre to SWING?

[jovial warren]

about the same afaik

but JavaFX is more updated, easier, and more intuitive

[heady birch]

Java FX should make a docking panel

[jovial warren]

and it's more widely used as well

[heady birch]

Currently developers must rely on modern third party alternatives such as INFONODE and JIDE COMPONENTS

[jovial warren]

InfoNode?

just googled that and I found a site that still has copyright from 2009, and looks like it hasn't been updated since then lol

[heady birch]

Yeah lol thats the irony!

[jovial warren]

afaik, most companies that use Java for UI use JavaFX

or Android lol

[heady birch]

@half harness How do I add a Menu

[prisma wave]

You under estimate the market SHARE of LEGACY software

[half harness]

menu?

more specific pls

[heady birch]

Swing MenuBar, but I want it in JavaFX

[half harness]

whats swing menubar look like

[prisma wave]

Nine craft launcher (copy right Mojang) has been using AWT since 2011 and still refuses to update!

[heady birch]

File Edit View kind of thing

[half harness]

oh

u have to put a MenuBar

[heady birch]

There is something beautiful about Swing Metal UI

[half harness]

the template has it

[heady birch]

Yeah but I can't find the MenuBar object!

[half harness]

search bar?

😛

[heady birch]

Ah found it

[half harness]

lol

gj

[jovial warren]

wait... MC uses AWT?

[half harness]

👀

[heady birch]

Okay this is kind of chill

[jovial warren]

is that meant to be some sort of joke?

[half harness]

time to use AWT

[jovial warren]

no

AWT is ancient, deprecated, and should not be used by anyone ever again ever

[half harness]

o

nvm then

[heady birch]

Swing is just AWT with a "J" on the front

[prisma wave]

yes i have many sources for my claim

i will now proceed to list my sources

[half harness]

lol

[heady birch]

legitimate sources

[half harness]

https://google.com

[somber tulip]

Isn't Intellij made with pure java swing

[jovial warren]

[heady birch]

Yes it is

[jovial warren]

you think BM's capable of providing legitimate sources to backup his claims?

[heady birch]

Yes I think he is

[jovial warren]

wow you well overestimate him lol

[prisma wave]

https://wiki.bristermitten.me/legacy-software:-Minecraft-Launcher-and-AWT

[heady birch]

He has proven many times

[prisma wave]

this is all the proof you need

[heady birch]

And also provided me with the sources for my own research

VoCodes

[prisma wave]

do your own research

[prisma wave]

no

[half harness]

no

[unkempt tangle]

Where is 15 when you need it

[heady birch]

15 doesnt have TRUMP!

[prisma wave]

1 Attachment: donald_trump_interview_on_legacy_software.wav

[half harness]

niall

[heady birch]

15 ai is superior though

[half harness]

ur gonna become like n3w0rk

[half harness]

👀

[ocean quartz]

Yup, unfortunately

[half harness]

knew it

[heady birch]

The ai that site uses is really good, I have a feeling they wouldn't add politicians or anything

[half harness]

😑

[prisma wave]

I think software toolkits such as AWT and Swing are truly great, very well designed, perfect for any sort of Graphical Interface

• Donald Trump, 2003

[unkempt tangle]

Senpai

wanna play now?

[heady birch]

@half harness Thanks for showing me that scene builder Im gonna play around with it now

[half harness]

lol np 🙂

[heady birch]

Now I must find a Metal UI css sheet

[half harness]

lol

Once you get to know all the containers its really easy to put objects where you want

VBox HBox, Grid, and BorderPane are probably the most common

[heady birch]

And it has like a TreeTable and Pagination components

[half harness]

its epic 🙂

[heady birch]

Charts as well? Nice

[half harness]

yep

[unkempt tangle]

Why am I watching korean made fastfood?

[half harness]

good question

[unkempt tangle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nzlIlsF9Cs

[half harness]

👀

[unkempt tangle]

Everything looks so tasteful

And I am getting hungry

[half harness]

that looks red

well the title says 2020something YumYum something something something | YumYum's Best COllection 2020 Year

[unkempt tangle]

Not only ONE special meal

7:40

I'm hungry ;c

[prisma wave]

risky

very risky

[jovial warren]

https://img.devrant.com/devrant/rant/r_635025_rRkeh.jpg

[forest pecan]

Java users when they see Kotlin:

https://tenor.com/view/damn-attempting-to-give-a-damn-gif-7848441

[ocean quartz]

So, I just learned that C# doesn't have an equivalent to final variables and final parameters wtf

Literally unusable

[lunar cypress]

not true?

[ocean quartz]

Are you sure?

From what I could find, const/readonly for fields, sealed for methods and classes, but nothing for variables and parameters

[lunar cypress]

ok but local scope isn't really that important

semantically it adds nothing

[heady birch]

readonly?

[lunar cypress]

it's just a note for yourself

[heady birch]

what abt { get; <no set;> }

[ocean quartz]

I mean yeah, but I would prefer if that was a thing, that's why the "literally unusable" joke

[stuck harbor]

java be like

@NotNull private static final Map<List<Date>, Integer>

[lunar cypress]

ah it was a joke

[prisma wave]

is there any way of doing the weird annotation inheritance sorta thing

[onyx loom]

wym thats sexy 😍

[onyx loom]

lol

[stuck harbor]

oui

[prisma wave]

so i could have like java @SourcedBy.KeyIn( in = @SourcedBy.File("fileName"), withKey = "key" ) but also permit ```java
@SourcedBy.KeyIn(
in = @SourcedBy.PluginConfig,
withKey = "key2"
)

[stuck harbor]

y

[prisma wave]

theres no inheritance

[heady birch]

@Child
public @interface Parent {
}

[prisma wave]

ridiculous

but i currently have this but that doesnt work

and it's gross

i want to be able to do SourcedBy in()

[heady birch]

What are the two related problems

Oh wait nvm

[prisma wave]

unrelated things in the reflection loading stuff

[heady birch]

SourcedBy in() ?

How

[prisma wave]

it's not possible

i dont think

[heady birch]

Wouldn't it be @SourcedBy.KeyIn

[prisma wave]

yeah

but i want KeyIn to be able to reference any of the other annotations

@KeyIn(
  in = @SourcedBy.File("fileName"),
  key = "blah"
)

does not work ;((((((((((

[heady birch]

oh, idk

[lunar cypress]

is that supposed to be java?

[prisma wave]

yes

lol

[lunar cypress]

Can you even use nested annotations in Java? I don't think so

[prisma wave]

i thought you could

[heady birch]

yeah one sec

[lunar cypress]

that's a kotlin thing I'm pretty sure

[heady birch]

well I mean you can do this

[prisma wave]

yeah

something like that

or similar at least

[lunar cypress]

hm interesting

[trim niche]

Why is the default text highlighting of intellij not highlighting anything and how can I change this?

[prisma wave]

i dont think this is possible

[trim niche]

How people use it then?

[prisma wave]

make sure you're not on power saving mode

i meant my problem isn't possible

dw

[trim niche]

oh

[lunar cypress]

what would you want to highlight by "default"

[trim niche]

By default I mean: the default text highlighting, what you get as soon as you download it.

[winter iron]

font?

[lunar cypress]

frankly I do not understand

[prisma wave]

jetbrains mono

[prisma wave]

what type of file

[winter iron]

now its on mine too

🙂

[prisma wave]

🙂

[trim niche]

.java file

[prisma wave]

too bad that doesnt fix my issue

😡

[trim niche]

My question is:
How can I change the text highlighting?

[lunar cypress]

Yes and I asked "what text highlighting"

[trim niche]

The text highlighting of intellij

[lunar cypress]

....

are you trolling?

[trim niche]

no

I don't understand your question

[onyx loom]

what highlighting

like the font?

the colours?

[lunar cypress]

if I give you a .txt file with plain text

do you want to highlight that

[trim niche]

The colors

[onyx loom]

Settings > Editor > Color Scheme

[prisma wave]

i would pay a lot of money for Stream#associateBy to be a thing

[onyx loom]

k

o

t

l

i

n

without the streams 🙂

[prisma wave]

😦

[hot hull]

Just make your own

[lunar cypress]

4Head

[prisma wave]

😡

[jovial warren]

I now love generics lol

sealed class ClickEventSerialiser<T : ClickEvent>(private val keyName: String) : SerializationStrategy<T> {

    override val descriptor = buildClassSerialDescriptor("ClickEvent") {
        element<String>(keyName)
    }

    override fun serialize(encoder: Encoder, value: T) = encoder.encodeStructure(descriptor) {
        encodeStringElement(descriptor, 0, value.content)
    }
}

object OpenURLSerialiser : ClickEventSerialiser<OpenURL>("open_url"), KSerializer<OpenURL> {

    override fun deserialize(decoder: Decoder): OpenURL = decoder.decodeStructure(descriptor) {
        OpenURL(decodeStringElement(descriptor, 0))
    }
}

object RunCommandSerialiser : ClickEventSerialiser<RunCommand>("run_command"), KSerializer<RunCommand> {

    override fun deserialize(decoder: Decoder): RunCommand = decoder.decodeStructure(descriptor) {
        RunCommand(decodeStringElement(descriptor, 0))
    }
}
```lol

[hot hull]

How the fuck do insets work

[jovial warren]

insets?

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/javafx/api/javafx/geometry/Insets.html dis?

[hot hull]

How do you position shit?

[jovial warren]

ah right

[hot hull]

That yea

Tried using padding but that's all sorts of messed up

[jovial warren]

I could tell you how to do it in FXML, but you're probably not using FXML lol

[hot hull]

I'm not no

Good thing stack overflow exists

[jovial warren]

in FXML we'd do this: ```xml
<GridPane>
<padding><Insets top="25" right="25" bottom="10" left="25"/></padding>
</GridPane>

Pane#setInsets?

[hot hull]

    button.setLayoutX(150);
    button.setLayoutY(100);

Either I'm hella dumb or I'm just retarded

[onyx loom]

press the button to quite life

[jovial warren]

tell me what you want to do first

[hot hull]

Sudoku

[jovial warren]

yeah that's not quite specific enough

[hot hull]

Just trynna play around with buttons rn lol

[jovial warren]

if you want a button to not be in the centre, GridPane probably isn't the right pane

since grid panes order their children by a grid (hence the name xD)

[hot hull]

I want free movement

[jovial warren]

try using a BorderPane?

that gives you top, left, centre, right and bottom sections to play with

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/javafx/api/javafx/scene/layout/BorderPane.html

[hot hull]

Why does setLayoutX/Y not work tho lol

[jovial warren]

yeah... no, that's not how that works afaik

[hot hull]

That's dumb tho lol, why would it force positioning on nodes

[jovial warren]

if you just put a button without any panes it should actually shove it in the top left

because you should be using a pane at all times

[hot hull]

Pane would be my application window, and Scene would be the different parts, correct?

[jovial warren]

Pane is a node that contains other nodes

it's job is to control it's children

[hot hull]

Doing a poor job so far

[jovial warren]

Scene is the window you have open

[obtuse gale]

Is it just me or has the average IQ dropped in the past few weeks?

[jovial warren]

care to share what brought you to that conclusion?

[prisma wave]

sonarlint is tripping right

surely you dont need to close a stream you're collecting

[obtuse gale]

Plugin support

[jovial warren]

let me guess: LuckPerms Discord

[obtuse gale]

And EngineHub but yes

[jovial warren]

you're a mod at EngineHub as well? or do you just minimod there? xD

[obtuse gale]

Nah I'm just there for the laughs

[jovial warren]

inv me

[obtuse gale]

/enginehub

[jovial warren]

got it

channel?

[obtuse gale]

WorldGuard mainly lmao

The whole history is hilarious

[jovial warren]

okay just those latest messages without even needing to scroll make me go

https://tenor.com/9p1d.gif

[hot hull]

I'm a pro now Bardy

[jovial warren]

it's a square

[hot hull]

Shut up

[remote goblet]

That’s the sexiest square I’ve ever seen

[jovial warren]

actually, I guess I got excited the other day over a cube so I can't really say shit

[remote goblet]

A proper Chad square

[hot hull]

Can I set individual pixels? Or will I have to make an image and just set the image

[jovial warren]

images in JavaFX are a pain in the fucking ass

[hot hull]

Bruh why can nothing be done properly for fucks sakes

[jovial warren]

or maybe it was just me

[hot hull]

I'm not asking for much

[obtuse gale]

Make a 1x1 rectangle for each pixel :cct:

[jovial warren]

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/javafx/api/javafx/scene/image/ImageView.html

[onyx loom]

@remote goblet hey

[hot hull]

Fefo, I'm getting the rope

[jovial warren]

"third dick"

[remote goblet]

Kaliber, include the full screenshot

Add the part where you said ok

[onyx loom]

just for u

[hot hull]

oh yea btw, I ripped off one of my brace holders :kek:

[onyx loom]

wow bardy stalker

[jovial warren]

xD

trying to figure out how I should do hover components

[hot hull]

Just do them duh

[jovial warren]

well some of them are NBT

duh

https://wiki.vg/Chat#Shared_between_all_components

which means komponent will need to optionally hook into nbt

[remote goblet]

insertion

[jovial warren]

why am I making my own component library instead of using adventure?

1. because BM wanted something custom for MineKraft
2. because it means I can write in Kotlin, which means I can make a really sexy DSL, and also use kotlinx.serialization

[hot hull]

Stonks

[remote goblet]

A bigger square

[hot hull]

On the blue square goes a big Go Fuck Yourself and on the gray one there's options on how you can go fuck yourself

[jovial warren]

[hot hull]

[onyx loom]

damn frosty thats like more customisation than ive ever done in apps

i cba with the design, i just slap the buttons on the page

[remote goblet]

Where can I download this

[hot hull]

on frosty.gofuckyourself.com

[onyx loom]

on my way

[prisma wave]

well that's new

[hot hull]

But no, blue square is map display, gray is settings for it

[trim niche]

What IDE most people use for java?

[jovial warren]

oh btw, I know I kinda keep asking this, but anyone wanna join the MineKraft project?

[jovial warren]

IntelliJ

[onyx loom]

intellij

[prisma wave]

Intellij

[onyx loom]

🙂

[hot hull]

Bardy, too sm0ll brain

[jovial warren]

not true

[hot hull]

yes yes

[jovial warren]

I thought I was small brain, but it's actually easier than you think

just lookup a packet, try and make something that works, if it works, great, if it doesn't, Google, go on IRC and ask the experts, you get the idea

[hot hull]

Sorry, but that sounds like effort

Can't be having none of that

[jovial warren]

anyone wanna see Komponent's smexy DSL btw?

[prisma wave]

"why's this returning null?" 🤡

[onyx loom]

great question

[jovial warren]

component {
    text("I am text!") {
        colour = NamedColour.BLACK
        formatting {
            bold = true
            italic = true
        }
        clickEvent = ClickEvent.openURL("https://example.com")
        hoverEvent = HoverEvent.showText("Click me!")

        children {
            text("I am a child!")
        }
    }
}

mmm

[sick dove]

Anyone know how to intercept a forge packet with protocollib on thermos 1.7.10? I haven't been able to find any examples but its supposed to support it.

[onyx loom]

1.7.10

[jovial warren]

ProtocolLib doesn't support Forge afaik

[sick dove]

According to https://github.com/dmulloy2/ProtocolLib/releases/tag/3.7.0 it does

[jovial warren]

does Forge even send custom packets?

actually, probably does

also, isn't Thermos a fork of KCauldron which uses Bukkit anyway?

[sick dove]

yeah it's a bukkit/forge hybrid

basically I want to listen to forge packets on a thermos server with a bukkit plugin

[hot hull]

Why does javafx legit not work when in a module

Only when the entire project is just javafx

[jovial warren]

@sick dove ProtocolLib supports custom packets from the looks of it

https://github.com/dmulloy2/ProtocolLib/blob/master/src/main/java/com/comphenix/protocol/PacketType.java#L917

[jovial warren]

maybe just you

[hot hull]

That's false, it legit does not work if you don't create the project as JavaFX from the start

[unkempt tangle]

Hm

Weren't there an alternative to javafx?

Swing

[onyx loom]

swing is outdated

javafx is the replacement lol

[unkempt tangle]

hmm

[jovial warren]

@prisma wave https://paste.helpch.at/awabezuxug.cpp 👌

[prisma wave]

Jesus

[jovial warren]

pls help me

idk how to turn a list of components into a single one

actually I don't even need to

[onyx loom]

fun List<Component>.joinToComponent(): Component

[jovial warren]

trying to think of a way to serialise this now

[obtuse gale]

Put all of them as extra of a single empty TextComponent

[jovial warren]

o

that might work

[obtuse gale]

So {"text":"","extra":[...]}

Yea

[distant sun]

div div div div div div div div

[onyx loom]

div div div div div idiv div id iv divi divi div id ivd idvi

clasic xml 🙂

[prisma wave]

why do you all have everyone blocked

[obtuse gale]

You misspelled "y'all" 🌝

[prisma wave]

why do you y'all have everyone blocked*

[onyx loom]

y'all is actually disgusting

[prisma wave]

ok

[onyx loom]

i guess i dont 🌝

[jovial warren]

show me the ways

can't seem to get fold to work with anything

leave

[onyx loom]

what even is latest gradle version

i can never stay up to date, i think im on 6.5 or smth

[jovial warren]

6.8

[obtuse gale]

How are you doing it exactly?

[jovial warren]

I got it to work dw

[obtuse gale]

Coolio

[jovial warren]

I'm just fixing really strange errors

[distant sun]

java.lang.NullPointException

[half harness]

java.lang.NullException

[prisma wave]

golang.NilPointerException

[obtuse gale]

segfault

[prisma wave]

🌚

[hot hull]

what.the.fuck.LifeException

[jovial warren]

this is the biggest pain in the ass I swear

[hot hull]

Life indeed is the biggest pain in the ass

[onyx loom]

[half harness]

scenebuilder isn't working 😢

[obtuse gale]

No suffering

[half harness]

what isn't working

it doesn't shade?

oh

did u put correct stuff?

group = 'com.yourname.modid' // http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-naming-conventions.html

alright

lol

upgrade

oh

dont use +

fine

but

buildscript {
    repositories {
        maven { url = 'https://files.minecraftforge.net/maven' }
        jcenter()
        mavenCentral()
    }
    dependencies {
        classpath 'net.minecraftforge.gradle:ForgeGradle:3.+'
    }
}

are these ur only repos?

?

oh