lmao
#dev-general
forest pecan
prisma wave
1.8 support:
pr or shut up
hot hull
He's the prime reason why earth is still such a shitty place
jovial warren
okay, I want to find out where that guy lives so badly and FUCKING BURY HIM ALIVE
hot hull
Move along fuckers
static zealot
xD
forest pecan
LOL
jovial warren
I can't stand people who think they know it all
static zealot
BBG its unfortunately a screenshot I thought as well its a person that just said that when Pulse sent the ss. I was like send me invite I'm going to crusade
jovial warren
they PISS ME OFF SO BADLY
regal gale
You guys still have the 1.8 Java version conspiracy here 
forest pecan
in my plugin, i added a large warning to people using 1.8
jovial warren
BBG its unfortunately a screenshot I thought as well its a person that just said...
send me invite I'm going to crusade
obtuse gale
Check for the any 1.14+ class then lol
forest pecan
that my plugin is updating to java 11
static zealot
well I don't even support 1.8-1.12 in the few plugins I have lmao
prisma wave
java 11 ๐คค
jovial warren
Java 11 good
static zealot
idk how to update my dedi to java 11 and I'm to lazy to learn how to xD
jovial warren
Java 9 added in a shit ton of stuff to the time API that's just missing in 8 (found that one out the hard way)
prisma wave
ima abuse the shit out of records once they become mainstream
forest pecan
private void checkJavaVersion() {
final String[] verison = System.getProperty("java.version").split("\\.");
final int major = Integer.parseInt(verison[1]);
if (major < 11) {
Logger.warn("MinecraftMediaPlugin is moving towards a newer Java Version (Java 11) \n" +
"Please switch as soon as possible before the library will be incompatible \n" +
"with your server. If you want to read more information surrounding this, \n" +
"you may want to take a look here at " +
"https://papermc.io/forums/t/java-11-mc-1-17-and-paper/5615");
}
}
usually something like apt install jdk11-openjdk
static zealot
oh is it literally just one command? I'm on ubuntu 18.04 I think
prisma wave
yeah lol
jovial warren
you know what the annoying thing is though?
prisma wave
linux good
jovial warren
Paper 1.8-1.12 breaks on Java 11
forest pecan
lol
jovial warren
and the server I'm head dev for uses 1.12 everywhere
forest pecan
why tf 1.12?
ocean quartz
It'll never drop out of use, 1.8 users are more stubborn than a horse
"mUh PvP!"
jovial warren
(even on the hub, which I said should be 1.8 lol)
forest pecan
i only know 1.12.2 is good for modded
1.7.10 and 1.12.2 were insane for modded
but like other than that
hot hull
1.17 is what y'all should be using ffs
forest pecan
like bruh lol
hot hull
Like move on already
jovial warren
Factions on 1.8 because it's stupidly lightweight and everyone uses it
hot hull
Imagine using 1.16.5, fucking ew
jovial warren
Skyblock I say 1.12+ because it's kinda in the middle
prisma wave
๐
lunar cypress
Imagine playing minecraft 5Head
jovial warren
Hubs should be 1.8 since they need to be stupidly lightweight
prisma wave
Imagine playing minecraft 5Head
true
prisma wave
Hubs should be 1.8 since they need to be stupidly lightweight
not really
static zealot
It'll never drop out of use, 1.8 users are more stubborn than a horse
"mUh PvP!"
we have 2 hopes. either they'll like 1.17 very much or Jeb will finally add the new Combat System
forest pecan
should be a gamerule
prisma wave
muh kb mechanics!!!
jovial warren
not really
well I don't intend on running a hub server on more than about 4 GB RAM if I can help it
prisma wave
bro its not the same bro
ocean quartz
It'll never happen, no combat change will get them to update, they'll keep whinnying
Not even if they revert it
jovial warren
yeah that's the problem
what I'm hoping though is that eventually, it'll get to the point where 1.8 is so dead that only a select few that basically worship it as their religion will use it
prisma wave
no bro you cant ultrahoopfastbridge on 1.16 it sucks
static zealot
It'll never happen, no combat change will get them to update, they'll keep whinn...
idk about that. Jeb has been working with the PvP community for that update. not just alone
lets at least have some hope lmao
ocean quartz
I know about that, look at history of what happened to runescape when they had the combat update
forest pecan
2017: mom i learned to ninja bridge
2020: mom i learned to quartermoonwalkwitchelyinclinedquadstackderp bridge
prisma wave
lmao
forest pecan
prisma wave
minecraft takes skill guys
ocean quartz
Kek
prisma wave
it's an esport
static zealot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKmXXHODEtk
only 100? is this like 5 years old?
prisma wave
no updates allowed
half harness
๐
forest pecan
only 100? is this like 5 years old?
ocean quartz
Dkim is not amused
jovial warren
ah
old wyvern
hmmm xD
prisma wave
lmao?
forest pecan
Lmaoooo
prisma wave
is that in invadedlands
heady birch
Sxtanna isn't banned is he? Just left by own accord
old wyvern
is that in invadedlands
Yea
static zealot
he's banned here.
prisma wave
he's banned
heady birch
Change it
old wyvern
He doesnt seem to have said anything about leaving that server
heady birch
@static zealot Change it
prisma wave
no
static zealot
I can't
forest pecan
lmao
old wyvern
He just left or had an argument in staff channels
old wyvern
Quite natural of him ๐
forest pecan
๐ฅฒ
heady birch
Admins abusing power again
prisma wave
he uses the weird ass brackets
i can understand allman but WHAT
why is the indentation so massive
old wyvern
๐
old wyvern
Everything about that
old wyvern
Why does it look like hes trying to inflate the line count and do nothing else
forest pecan
too unecessary
prisma wave
we need to stalk this guy some more
old wyvern
xD
old wyvern
StalkChat
forest pecan
"JavaDoctor"
forest pecan
lmao
heady birch
Java Doc Tour?
onyx loom
he probably had a massive argument with staff
do u not know what happened? ๐ณ
onyx loom
oh ok i thought that was related to hc
prisma wave
yeah ik what happened here
onyx loom
we probably shouldnt talk about what happened here either ๐
prisma wave
๐ 
old wyvern
I still dont fully understand what actually happened here
I dont have access to that channel, nor do I have any idea how to get access to it
onyx loom
dw ๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
papi update broke and people got mad
old wyvern
๐
prisma wave
then chaos
heady birch
๐
ocean quartz
i can understand allman but WHAT
He did something like that for an example for me too, apparently he said was because of using tabs in IJ and github would misinterpret them
prisma wave
old wyvern
That is some long spaces all right
obtuse gale
That genuinely makes me want to vomit
old wyvern
Guess what I found..... Avatar: The last CSS bender ๐ฅฒ
ocean quartz
Depends on the language, css, html, yaml, for example 2 spaces
wind patio
true that
obtuse gale
YAML ๐คข
wind patio
two is also doable
ocean quartz
No PHP is 4
heady birch
Imagine using 3 or something
prisma wave
๐คข
static zealot
yo @ocean quartz your message library. does it have something for Console senders? Like transform the json to a string or something idk.
ocean quartz
yo <@!180369172046413824> your message library. does it have something for Conso...
You can toString it or use adventure
Though none of those are great because console is fucked, doesn't support hex nor most of the formatting, only format supported is underlined
heady birch
i was thinking of making NBT LIB using the hidden lore and HASHMAP method
static zealot
oh I guess I'll just make the sender be Player only
not that big of a deal. but thanks tho
ugh is it the one from that guy?
dkim deleted his message
I'm just to lazy to do the same
prisma wave
classic
jovial warren
@prisma wave back to the thingy I said ages ago now btw, any ideas how I can store all the responses?
since responses are handled in a completely separate class
actually nvm, I think ik
jovial warren
yeah I think I'm gonna have every message have a UUID that I'll store responses by
or something like that
this is a pain
steel heart
i was thinking of making NBT LIB using the hidden lore and HASHMAP method
oo working on it now?
old wyvern
lmao people in #805698761442590730 just cant read the pinned messages ever can they
static zealot
lmao people in <#805698761442590730> just cant read the pinned messages ever can...
you know what's funny? They had a number in there just so they don't anger barry but then edited and removed it
half harness
you know what's funny? They had a number in there just so they don't anger barry...
big ๐ง
steel heart
its nice
half harness
its nice
prisma wave
its not tho is it
steel heart
yes it is
old wyvern
Theres probably some folding tool for it
half harness
yes
old wyvern
alt + enter is close
forest pecan
lol
prisma wave
is there a way to automatically add @NotNull to parameters
the "Infer Nullity" action i think
forest pecan
in the format code?
prisma wave
Theres probably some folding tool for it
I mean I want @NotNull before the public
old wyvern
ah
steel heart
thats illegal
prisma wave
how
old wyvern
shoot them?
prisma wave
it looks gross after
steel heart
yep
old wyvern
make sure they dont make another one ever again
steel heart
you're under arrest
old wyvern
Natural Artificial Selection
steel heart
lol
static zealot
@ocean quartz just to make sure. '[MESSAGE](hover: HOVER MESSAGE)|(command: /command)' is this how I use your MSG Lib? I wasn't sure about the |
surreal quarry
just [MESSAGE](hover: message | suggest: /command)
static zealot
xD
static zealot
there is command as well
static zealot
to execute the command
ty
btw I can't test it rn. on a coding spree. will handle errors tomorrow lmao xD
surreal quarry
lol
static zealot
will probably be a lot of them
and if I test the plugin rn I'll start fixing those instead of adding all the ideas I had
surreal quarry
just add a bunch of issues for your plans to gh issues
thats what i do so i dont forget lol
static zealot
yeah I should start using GH more but its just a storage option for now lmao xD
forest pecan
i just saw this kid add color codes to permissions
prisma wave
wtf
static zealot
what?
forest pecan
ikr
static zealot
xD
forest pecan
xD
static zealot
or role.&fadmin and role.&cadmin
2 different roles
xD
what the hell is the use for color codes in a permission?
forest pecan
idek
prisma wave
lol?
forest pecan
intellij doing intellij things lmao
onyx loom
u smart cookie
prisma wave
๐
static zealot
hmm with Math's message LIB would I also be able to do something like "[message](command: /command)[message2](command: /command2)" ?
oh I can
nvm
ah now (action: | action:) makes way more sense
than (action:)(action:) lmao
winged mica
anyone know how to create a temporary file and editing it with fs without saving it?
winged mica
in node.js
static zealot
you can
prisma wave
node?
lunar cypress
not without manual permission, no? it seems like it should happen implicitely here
static zealot
lmao
winged mica
basically I have to create a .txt file, edit it with fs and send it as a MessageAttachment with discord.js. All in a function without create the file
(It is difficult to say lol)
empty flint
Is there a faster way to check for null values?
var arr = listOf(null, null, null, null, null, "not null")
val timeInMillis = measureTimeMillis {
loop@ for (s in arr) {
if(s != null) {
println(s)
break@loop
}
}
}
println("this took $timeInMillis millis.")
Lmao
empty flint
(this is a scratch file, I'm just testing the speed it takes to find the first non-null value in a bunch of variables)
static zealot
probably looping is taking more than checking for null
prisma wave
Well that's not gonna give any reliable times
ocean quartz
Why that label?
prisma wave
It's barely even a microbenchmark
static zealot
bcz its a loop xD
prisma wave
Why that label? <:thonking:379541184697204736>
Also a good question
empty flint
Why that label? <:thonking:379541184697204736>
it used to be a foreach xD
empty flint
Well that's not gonna give any reliable times
why not?
static zealot
right but you still don't need a label there
ocean quartz
I mean you wouldn't need it for a foreach either
prisma wave
I'm not an expert but you should typically account for warmup and take multiple tests + an average
static zealot
labels are usually when you have loops in loops
empty flint
probably looping is taking more than checking for null
exactly my thought, that's why I asked the question. Is there a method similar to MySQLs COALESCE function in Kotlin?
static zealot
but as BM said that's probably not going to give any good timings and also why the hell would you need a faster way to check for nulls? xD
empty flint
yeah, the label was for a foreach in another loop inside another loop
the label isn't important, it's a scratch file as I said
prisma wave
more importantly this isn't exactly a slow operation
empty flint
but as BM said that's probably not going to give any good timings and also why t...
because I am about to do it a lot and am worried about performance unnecessarily
I know I'm being stupid here
static zealot
that's one of the very few things you have to worry about
empty flint
just humor me, it doesn't have to be null
prisma wave
The JVM can probably loop 10 times in a few nanoseconds
There's not much you can optimise here
static zealot
I'm pretty sure null checking is one of the simplest things
prisma wave
Pretty much
static zealot
I'm not good with optimization and stuff like that but I'm pretty sure it checks if the value points to the part of memory where null is set or not.
empty flint
so not really a point in trying to optimize looking for the first non-null value?
static zealot
which I think is one of the fastest operations. I might be wrong
lunar cypress
I'm not good with optimization and stuff like that but I'm pretty sure it checks...
It just checks if it is a nullpointer, which is really just == 0
empty flint
I'm not good with optimization and stuff like that but I'm pretty sure it checks...
it compares to the memory address 0x0000000000... afaik
like on an asm level
static zealot
anyways I know its like one of the fastest operations
empty flint
yeah, it's one of the basic commands a cpu can do
lunar cypress
It's literally NULL in most C-based implementations I believe
static zealot
BB there's operations you should optimize and there's things you shouldn't even think of optimization when you think about them.
empty flint
I think getting all those values will take a long ass time anyhow so the comparison will probably really be negligible
empty flint
because all those values will come from a database
empty flint
don't use loops
what am I supposed to use?
lunar cypress
.any for example
heady birch
Where x != null
static zealot
damn man. Matt's MSG lib just made my class from like 200 lines to 50 xD. well I did some other improvements but that helped a lot
empty flint
.any for example
actually that takes longer than the loop lol
like measurably longer
lunar cypress
also I doubt it will take considerably longer
empty flint
dunno, it did on this small portion of code just now
lunar cypress
well it does if it takes like 10 ms vs 1 ms
Show proof of that please
with a proper benchmark
empty flint
well I obv didn't do a proper benchmark
lunar cypress
If that actually scaled the function would be broken
static zealot
[19:36:12 INFO]: [BCore] Disabling BCore v1.2
[19:36:12 INFO]: [BCore] Plugin disabled successfully!``` ๐ขIn any case if you're using kotlin you simply do not care about these things
As long as it's not incredibly hot code (which is handled by the JVM in most cases anyway) you care about idiomacy and runtime complexity
heady birch
If speed is a cause for concern consider a SAFE and FAST language like rust
lunar cypress
the latter is linear in both cases
I suppose what Donald Knuth once said will never get old
prisma wave
actually that takes longer than the loop lol
i find that unlikely, any literally gets inlined to a for loop
it's more likely your benchmark is inaccurate
prisma wave
If speed is a cause for concern consider a SAFE and FAST language like rust
agree... the "0 cost abstractions" make rust a good choice for literally any project!
steel heart
diminishing optimizations ?
prisma wave
very much so
steel heart
10 ms vs 1 ms
who cares tbf
unless it's some circlejerk race like Elara vs go then just make the thing that turns out to be most beneficial, or no? (Most likely not the latter)
hallow crane
What server software do servers like the Hive use (bedrock)? For example, some Java servers use Spigot, Paper, or another similar fork of Paper.
old wyvern
PocketMine I think
prisma wave
php
prisma wave
yes
not sure why they didnt choose a MODERN language like RUST
maybe that's why mojang is losing money
distant sun
anything but php
old wyvern
PocketMine is not owned my mojang I think
It was just one of the first ones to pop up
prisma wave
making a game in PHP is the dumbest thing you could possibly do
distant sun
^
prisma wave
ew no
old wyvern
๐
prisma wave
elara doesnt deserve bedrock
old wyvern
mc rewrite
prisma wave
speak english
prisma wave
ive barely used c++
a fact im very proud of
actually ive used it like twice
but
i would rather use something more pragmatic and modern
distant sun
:))
old wyvern
Rust jerk time?
lunar cypress
Honestly I feel bad for this person
distant sun
Still, why php for fuck sake
lunar cypress
They just don't have any idea what they're saying
prisma wave
because it's typically typed, rust catches errors at compile time
also, it compiles code down to machine learning, allowing for extra efficiency
????
old wyvern
๐ช
lunar cypress
I think they wrote an AI to generate a blog post from hackernews comments
lunar cypress
I mean that as a joke
hallow crane
you're right. typically, you type rust
prisma wave
oh lmfao
lunar cypress
But it would indeed make more sense than whatever this is
lunar cypress
Not to be confused with "typical typed"
prisma wave
of course not
the machine learning is so much more efficient though
i love how it uses ADVANCED AI for the println macro
to make sure that it ALWAYS appends the \n
onyx loom
compiling down to machine learning is a necessity for ALL modern languages
prisma wave
elara uses AI in even the simplest statements
for example
1 + 2 might yield 4, because the model thinks that's the most likely answer
so much more practical!
lunar cypress
holy fucking shit
old wyvern
๐ฎ
old wyvern
What is it?
prisma wave
lmao
"explain why rust is inefficient"
"what is typical typing in 1000 words or more"
lunar cypress
There is "lore" in my assignment text about how "doctor meta" vandalised our campus with "confetti jam"
wtf is this
light leaf
he's back in town? ๐ณ
prisma wave
?
old wyvern
There is "lore" in my assignment text about how "doctor meta" vandalised our cam...
Lmao
lunar cypress
he's back in town? ๐ณ
oh shut up, here he appears out of thin air and knows exactly what I'm talking about LMFAO
please explain
theory man got access to plans of doctor meta's high security bunker. The plan is a directed graph G = (V, E) and each room is encoded as 3 bits ...
wow
prisma wave
lunar cypress
he went through this class already
light leaf
The last time I met him was in security. He founded a crypto currency called MetaCoin
lunar cypress
Were your lectures also by Worsch
fluid mesa
Does anyone here know how to make the requirement to purchase x item with Experience work for the deluxe menu?
steel heart
pog
prisma wave
Does anyone here know how to make the requirement to purchase x item with Experi...
haskell.org
clojure.org
elm-lang.org
ocaml.org
elixir-lang.org
fsharp.org
lots of documentation out there ๐
light leaf
Were your lectures also by Worsch
Nope, but he seems to be a cool prof
lunar cypress
haskell.org
clojure.org
elm-lang.org
ocaml.org
elixir-lang.org
fsharp.org
lots ...
have you done anything with ocaml yet
prisma wave
nope
seems very similar to f# tho
and by that I mean MS stole ocaml
dont disrespect f#
it's hot
steel heart
F# lol
prisma wave
dont
steel heart
prisma wave
f# is so far my favourite functional language
prisma wave
although that may change
lunar cypress
the implementations of the type systems I'm reading about are written in ocaml so I suppose I'll have to learn it
prisma wave
ah nice
stuck harbor
scala is functional, no?
old wyvern
Yea
stuck harbor
being JVM and all that
prisma wave
a uni course i was looking at teaches OCaml and Java which sounds fun
stuck harbor
mmm
lunar cypress
ocaml seems to be a language liked in academia
prisma wave
yeah
not entirely sure why
i guess because it's got a powerful type system
and is multiparadigm
old wyvern
it is?
prisma wave
i believe so
old wyvern
oh I thought it was fp
prisma wave
OCaml is an industrial-strength programming language supporting functional, imperative and object-oriented styles
old wyvern
ah
lunar cypress
O stands for object oriented I believe
old wyvern
ObjectCaml?
prisma wave
o lol
prisma wave
yeah because Caml is also a language right?
lunar cypress
yeah
old wyvern
So I guess like Objective C
lunar cypress
the compiler written by the people who proved that java generics are turing complete is also in ocaml
steel heart
lunar cypress
Apple
prisma wave
monads
stuck harbor
apple use swift noe
prisma wave
๐คค
stuck harbor
have done for years
old wyvern
I still dont understand what they mean when they say java generics is turing complete
lunar cypress
apple use swift noe
nowadays yes
prisma wave
apple use swift noe
they used to use obj-c
stuck harbor
mhm used to
lunar cypress
swift is a fairly young language
old wyvern
Doesnt that mean we can express any algorithm with just generics?
stuck harbor
legacy code is satan
lunar cypress
and objective c is still pretty widely used
prisma wave
yeah i dont understand it either
lunar cypress
Doesnt that mean we can express any algorithm with just generics?
yes
old wyvern
But how tho ๐
lunar cypress
You can read the paper
you can also download the tools they wrote and compile programs to java generics
prisma wave
wtf lmao
lunar cypress
old wyvern
you can also download the tools they wrote and compile programs to java generics
๐ฎ
the what
old wyvern
madlads
lunar cypress
might take a while though because it's really just turing machines
lunar cypress
hard to explain in short
but it has to do with wildcards and how java decides whether one generic type is a subtype of another
old wyvern
ok wait I think it runs on the "java compiler" rather than on the jvm like I assumed
lunar cypress
yes of course
prisma wave
confusing
empty flint
As a computer scientist this is really interesting but outside of the niche of just doing it for the sake of doing it and gathering knowledge, that is a lot of time wasted. To me, this classifies this paper as a piece of art. thanks for coming to my TED talk.
I wonder how many NPEs you gotta smoke to pose the question whether java generics are turing complete or not.
hallow crane
ted is my uncle
empty flint
this guy loved haskell so much he named himself after it ๐ฅฐ
Christian Plusplus would like to know his location
prisma wave
lmao
prisma wave
ok well now it's from 2 people's names ๐
old wyvern
xD
steel heart
prisma wave
learnung rust to use rust ๐ผ
steel heart
empty flint
Learning Programming to recognize and debug the matrix from within when you see deja vus once the machines take over
steel heart
True
empty flint
lmao
steel heart
Cap tho
empty flint
how about making plugins for any server that will have them?
how dead is your server tho?
empty flint
like 1 player or so dead not even you like to play anymore so it just takes the ol' cpu for a spin cycle every couple nanoseconds?
steel heart
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ
steel heart
prisma wave
i was like 11
empty flint
wait is that actually you?
empty flint
That is fucking brilliant man
prisma wave
empty flint
u weren't 11, I refuse to believe you are 15 now.
prisma wave
i was 11 in this one
steel heart
<:smiling_face_with_3_tears:807237707906416682>
Lol give me the emote
onyx loom
BM justify
hes REALLY sorry for not uploading. leave him alone!
prisma wave
Lol give me the emote
join my server
steel heart
Oo yes
prisma wave
hes REALLY sorry for not uploading. leave him alone!
yes i spent WAY too much time coding
steel heart
Coding with Lombok I assume
prisma wave
uh
steel heart
prisma wave
possibly
half harness
welp
prisma wave
i had a lombok phase but i dont remember when that was
ocean quartz
I had lombok phase that lasted like a week
prisma wave
lucky
empty flint
tfw the alphabet and the numeric scale in a text editor becomes more interesting than actual games.
tbh I kinda like lombok when I do stuff in Java ๐ฆ
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
prisma wave
uh oh
steel heart
And thatโs not even half of the cons
prisma wave
several people are typing
half harness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJRe4xtAxM @prisma wave oh you already made a tutorial ๐ yay
steel heart
Yeah
prisma wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJRe4xtAxM <@!266973575225933824> oh you alread...
yeah it's shit tho
lunar cypress
As a computer scientist this is really interesting but outside of the niche of j...
without this kind of theory programming would not be a thing
steel heart
Supreme tutorial
prisma wave
lemme try find the good part
old wyvern
Eclipse
prisma wave
๐ฅฒ
old wyvern
what?
onyx loom
steel heart
Lombok scares me
half harness
steel heart
Cute
prisma wave
i was so confused lmfao
onyx loom
half harness
MainClass.java
prisma wave
at least it's not Main
empty flint
?plsnolombok
ok so here's my answer to those points:
- never had that happen
- I don't always use maven or gradle, sometimes, especially for sandbox things, it's just overkill. That said, never had to configure maven or gradle for lombok other than the old import statement like any other dependency. Also, almost everyone uses an IDE. F* rawdogging javac in the command line.
- Not once have I generated Javadocs
- Not for the trivial getters and setters which is what I mostly use it for
- Well there are a lot of other things you can hide in Java quite well unless you know exactly what to look for. Lombok isn't special in that regard.
- Eclipse and IntelliJ have no problem finding usage of a getter.
- Don't know about the warning, never paid attention to those anyway.
prisma wave
oh boy
steel heart
The problem with lombok is that I donโt find it useful
prisma wave
you wanna go down this path?
ocean quartz
this is lombok <:kekw:736376736882622515>
Oh god, it's getting even more into Hacky shit
steel heart
Lol true
ocean quartz
Too much work kek
empty flint
I basically use it when I want to test some ideas and know there's gonna be a lot of refactoring of classes and fields to figure out what I want to do with them and test things out. generated getters and setters are really useful in that regard
half harness
I basically use it when I want to test some ideas and know there's gonna be a lo...
takes 3 seconds to generate getters/setters in intellij
old wyvern
๐
prisma wave
generated getters and setters are really useful in that regard
your IDE can do that ๐
steel heart
It takes 2 seconds to delete and generate a getter/setter
prisma wave
imagine if react.hs
steel heart
Not like it will slow you down
half harness
alt + insert -> down arrow 3 times -> enter
empty flint
True but it clutters the files and I don't like looking at them
old wyvern
imagine if react.hs
๐คค
onyx loom
lol?
steel heart
Blocky java is meant to be verbose
old wyvern
True but it clutters the files and I don't like looking at them
Youd rather stare at hideous annotations?
ocean quartz
I agree that it makes data classes look ugly af, but it's still better than lombok
empty flint
Blocky java is meant to be verbose
that's why kotlin > java
prisma wave
insert language here
old wyvern
ELARA
prisma wave
I agree that it makes data classes look ugly af, but it's still better than lomb...
records
steel heart
So yes then the question remains why use java with Lombok?
If you insist yourself kotlin is better
empty flint
Youd rather stare at hideous annotations?
well the fields are at the top, I never have to look at them unless i delete them or create them
I don't use Java at all anymore lol
prisma wave
lol
steel heart
Thatโs a relief
prisma wave
then why use lombok
steel heart
^
prisma wave
man lombok + kotlin is SUCH a great combination
steel heart
Lombok is a crappy
old wyvern
man lombok + kotlin is SUCH a great combination
Cursed
onyx loom
@Getter on a property
steel heart
empty flint
then why use lombok
I don't, I just said when using Java, Lombok was handy for me in the past, never had any downsides or issues and it was faster than generating getters and setters that all have to change when I change the variables around
prisma wave
@Data
data class Person(
@Getter val name: String
)
``` Omg i need to try that
@JvmField
@Getter
val name: String = "Name"
I don't use Lombok anymore. I wanna make that clear.
old wyvern
@Getter @Setter
var a
get() = 1
NO
DONT DO IT
empty flint
You guys are being buttholes ๐
old wyvern
you know what
ocean quartz
We're always like that
prisma wave
speak for yourself
steel heart
If you use Lombok sorry
old wyvern
fuck this, Im switching from keyword to annotations
steel heart
Then I canโt resist myself
prisma wave
fuck this, Im switching from keyword to annotations
imagine annotations in haskell
ocean quartz
@Private
@Final
@Static
String name;
No you aren't. Usually I'm the guy everybody is facepalming at because I wanna do some hacky stuff that makes @prisma wave shake his head in disbelief.
prisma wave
we need generic annotations
empty flint
This Lombok shaming feels completely uncalled for now.
prisma wave
@Getter<String>
public String string;
Blocky Iโm sure he nitpicks for a reason
ocean quartz
Lombok shame is always called for though
prisma wave
it excels at being bad
empty flint
At the end itโs not to be evil or mean
I don't take it to be mean at all. I wouldn't ask for help if I didn't know I was being an asshat with what I wanted to do and needed somebody more knowledgable to tell me why I failed as a software engineer and should have pursued a career in the performing arts ๐
steel heart
Your point?
prisma wave
they should make lombok into a language
empty flint
they should make lombok into a language
Elarambok
old wyvern
@Public @Abstract @Class @Identifier("AbstractBeanFactory")@LBRACE
@Getter @Setter @Private @Int @Identifier("i") = @AsInteger("1")
@Public @Identifier("AbstractBeanFactory")(@Int @Identifier("i")) @LBRACE
@this.@Identifier("i") = @Identifier("i")
@RBRACE
@RBRACE
main.lom
@MainMethod
void main @MethodBody
@Println(value = "Hello World")
@EndMethodBody
holy shit
prisma wave
**Elarambok**
please don't say offensive things like that
quiet depot
elaraclipse
prisma wave
๐
steel heart
Lol
old wyvern
elaraclipse
๐คฎ
ocean quartz
@Getter
let name = "Name"
@Getter(
type = @grizzled heart(String.class),
value = @Value("hi"),
static = true
)
Oops
lunar cypress
You could, theoretically, write a program in only annotations
prisma wave
could you?
lunar cypress
Well you would need some annotation target but other than that
empty flint
bc u need public static void main
At this point I'd be surprised if Lombok didn't generate that as well somehow
half harness
lol
lunar cypress
Might be an interesting challenge actually
empty flint
without this kind of theory programming would not be a thing
Well yea and no. I agree, up to a certain point. Whether or not Java Generics are turing complete is way past that point. The world has revolved enough times without that knowledge imo
old wyvern
Java Annotations are Turing Complete!
empty flint
what the hell there's a Java 17 already?!
prisma wave
rust enums
old wyvern
Not released borz
empty flint
ah
lunar cypress
Well yea and no. I agree, up to a certain point. Whether or not Java Generics ar...
That is a very naive idea of research
lunar cypress
You could say that about anything because after all, before you've made the research you don't know whether it will be useful or not
This gives some interesting insight into how java generics work
empty flint
I wonder how many versions they will release in their scheduled cycles before they run out of meaningful changes to the language they can implement within a cycle's timeframe
distant sun
shit man, tuinity's discord server got raided
prisma wave
there will always be something
java 25 will be a functional programming language
bet
prisma wave
i am NOT
onyx loom
LOL
empty flint
That is a very naive idea of research
It's a practical one. Believe me, I understand the reason papers such as the above exist and do think they are important from a scientific standpoint. But they are not practical by any means and there are thousands like it out there
empty flint
shit man, tuinity's discord server got raided
who?
distant sun
prisma wave
the so called "fast spigot fork"
empty flint
java 25 will be a functional programming language
and java 50 will go back to not functioning
lunar cypress
It's a practical one. Believe me, I understand the reason papers such as the abo...
So what's your point
onyx loom
old wyvern
Lmao
lunar cypress
Therefore it's not useless
distant sun
yea
prisma wave
FAKE screenshot NOT REAL
onyx loom
๐ฅฒ
empty flint
So what's your point
I don't recall saying it was...
prisma wave
you will have to send proof that screenshot has not been TAMPERED With
old wyvern
prisma wave
oof
steel heart
onyx loom
damn gay is a funny word apparently
onyx loom
ha
old wyvern
ha
old wyvern
๐ฅฒ
prisma wave
yes i am an avid pewdiepie fan, why?
lunar cypress
I don't recall saying it was...
Well what are you saying then? Because "it's interesting scientifically" but "a waste of time everywhere else" is contradictory or at least a useless observation. It is a scientific paper after all, and science and theory is the basis for practice
prisma wave
man i love the 2 different conversations weve got going here
a debate on whether or not different research is useful
and
"simp"
empty flint
yes, you are absolutely correct. no dispute there. research is scientifically important
old wyvern
๐
empty flint
but unless that research actually leads somewhere and is used in practice, it is and stays irrelevant imo. You can dig 1000 holes before you find a piece of gold. doesn't mean those 999 holes before you found the gold are useful or contributed to the finding of the gold.
lunar cypress
Also whether a type system is turing complete is not a crazy question, because if the answer is yes it implies that the type system is undecidable, which is a relevant property
empty flint
Also whether a type system is turing complete is not a crazy question, because i...
true, no argument there
ocean quartz
Omg, the font this guy is using on a tutorial..
lunar cypress
You may not notice it in your everyday programming but it matters for the design of the system
But sure I'm not saying that this changes Java programming fundamentally
empty flint
I just think you and I have a different perspective about this at this moment. If you look at it as a scientist and researcher within the realm of the java language, that is absolutely valid. If you look at it as literally anybody else in the world, it is irrelevant to you unless something practical can be done with that information.
lunar cypress
Not arguing with that
prisma wave
Omg, the font this guy is using on a tutorial..
dear god
empty flint
I agree it's cool they did this. The paper is way beyond me anyway and I hated those courses in university as well so it's no surprise. I'm still fascinated by it. But as somebody who does not venture into the unknowns of the scientific knowledge with my everyday uses of Java, I really could have lived my entire life not knowing whether you could combine the words Turing complete and Java Generics in a meaningful sentence. Let alone answer it
It's cool, but in 20 minutes I will have forgotten about it I think.
lunar cypress
Fair enough
distant sun
Omg, the font this guy is using on a tutorial..
Monospace handwrite, nicd
ocean quartz
It's horrible, i closed the video
ocean quartz
I've tried vue yeah
steel heart
Good or bad?
ocean quartz
It's good, didn't use it too much though
steel heart
Hmm okay, react better?
ocean quartz
Seems like it, right now I've done more with react than I did with vue which is still very little but i quite like react
steel heart
Oh yeah sounds like sugar
half harness
thats not the only server ๐
old wyvern
Which one's that?
lunar cypress
Imagine spending money on a bot net to then do this
onyx loom
wdym their money was worth it for their giggles that last a solid minute
prisma wave
I'm sure they were very proud of themselves
I mean
They said the funny word!
They got the whole squad laughing with that one
onyx loom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdax0Gj80-M 0:35 @prisma wave this u?
prisma wave
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdax0Gj80-M 0:35 <@!266973575225933824> this u?
FUCK you lmao
๐คฌ ๐ก ๐ ๐ฅฒ
onyx loom
"experienced in clojure, c++, c, haskell, f# even tho i used them once"
prisma wave
Well you see
Nobody in here is gonna hire me to use those languages
So it's fine
I could say I'm experienced in every language and people would only care about java / kotlin ๐ฅฒ
onyx loom
๐ฅฒ
regal gale
I do care of js sometimes
steel heart
I could say I'm experienced in every language and people would only care about j...
Experienced as using stack overflow on interview when they ask if you can make a basic application in Haskell lol
old wyvern
Thats pretty easy
steel heart
Okay now make flying car from scratch
lunar cypress
I'm so glad they emphasised polymorphism in school, I use it all the time
I don't get this joke
lunar cypress
Definitely not a 10xer
prisma wave
Absolutely not
forest pecan
Bro i should shade the milky way
onyx loom
smooth brained
forest pecan
ikr
regal gale
Or being inactive for too long
regal gale
Instagram got this system
Screwed me over everytime
Took like 3 weeks for a real staff to recover them
old wyvern
๐ฌ
charred torrent
regal gale
??
hot hull
What would be a clean thing to use if I need to pass in two values of either or, those two values being identifier values, however only one is required at a time so having two params is a waste
Should I just make my own object, or is there something which would suit my use case?
frozen furnace
heyy does anyone here know how i can fix deluxe tags not displaying all the tags in /tags
like i create a new one and it replaces the one i have
prisma wave
Lmfao
old wyvern
Haskell solves everything ๐
prisma wave
What would be a clean thing to use if I need to pass in two values of either or,...
Sounds like you want Union types
Elara supports them
hot hull
Doesn't really help much does it smh
prisma wave
Well you can replicate them pretty easily with an abstract class / interface + 2 implementations that wrap a value
This is one of the uses of sealed classes btw
Representing a finite union of types
hot hull
A whole lot of implementations for a single param removal no
hot hull
Nah Imma try what you said, it'll be ugly if there's two params
blissful sluice
tf twitter
im actually going through this rn too, i sent them a ticket, more like 3, over the past year... still done nothing
lunar cypress
Twitter support is very slow
A bot I wrote with somebody else also got suspended for no reason
but after like a year it's up again now
without any response to our appeal
stuck harbor
lol
jovial warren
#805698757990809610 I'm sure I'll find out soon whether that was a bad idea or not
stuck harbor
<#805698757990809610> I'm sure I'll find out soon whether that was a bad idea or...
use iRedMail my guy
shitty looking management panel
jovial warren
I use Postfix and Dovecot lol