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[distant sun]

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[ocean quartz]

Oh, likely not

[distant sun]

uhhhhh

the answers are arithmetic/comparison/logical arithmetic/comparision logical arithmetic :))

[ocean quartz]

Probably just logical

[distant sun]

yea

[old wyvern]

O.o

[half harness]

what is hs

[forest pecan]

@old wyvern https://bit.ly/2NzUwOV

[prisma wave]

im so glad you asked

[half harness]

uh

[prisma wave]

haskell is a purely functional programming language

with a modern pragmatic syntax and support for advanced functional features such as Monads, Monoids, Functors, Type classes, and more

[old wyvern]

um what?

[half harness]

loud

[forest pecan]

lol

[old wyvern]

Mate

[half harness]

what is a monad, a monoid, a functor, and type classes?

[prisma wave]

ah

uhh

i havent really got that far

[half harness]

[prisma wave]

i know a monad is like a holder

I think Java Optional is technically a monad

but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half harness]

i wont even ask what a holder and optional is

[lunar cypress]

There are some great recursive definitions for those terms

[half harness]

or that

[prisma wave]

👀

[lunar cypress]

But I honestly don't remember them either

[prisma wave]

aww

[lunar cypress]

Head empty

[prisma wave]

A functor is a design pattern inspired by the definition from category theory, that allows for a generic type to apply a function inside without changing the structure of the generic type.

[lunar cypress]

Category theory monkaW

[half harness]

what is the category theory

[prisma wave]

scary

[lunar cypress]

Scary mathematics

[prisma wave]

Category theory formalizes mathematical structure and its concepts in terms of a labeled directed graph called a category, whose nodes are called objects, and whose labelled directed edges are called arrows

[lunar cypress]

Oh god

Is it connected to algebra? I honestly had no idea what category theory actually is to this day

[prisma wave]

idk

i think so

kind of

i read a blog about it ages ago and didnt understand anything

[lunar cypress]

Unfortunately like none of the german names for algebraic objects match the english ones

That really triggers me

[prisma wave]

🥲

[lunar cypress]

Ah yeah it's part of algebra

Now to find out what "group", "ring" and "body" actually are in english

[prisma wave]

[lunar cypress]

ok group and ring are called the same

"body" is "field"

why

hopefully in a few weeks I'll know more about category theory

bought a book a few days ago

[prisma wave]

oh nice

[lunar cypress]

academic books are stupid expensive though

I found a used copy fortunately with a decent price

"Types and Programming Languages"

[prisma wave]

jesus £52 for a digital edition

[lunar cypress]

regular price is like 125€ PepeLaugh

[prisma wave]

😳

[half harness]

€ what currency is that?

[distant sun]

euro

[half harness]

o

[half harness]

LOOK AT THIS

😍

this looks better though 😔

[forest pecan]

someone

github

i need that student package

[half harness]

lol

[forest pecan]

i need to get that UML Diagram

[old wyvern]

Did you apply?

[half harness]

what is uml?

[forest pecan]

yeah

lol

they were like

"We will reply anywhere between 1 hour and the next 29 days"

[half harness]

ohhh that

[ocean quartz]

OS license

[half harness]

🤣

[half harness]

😮

[old wyvern]

Unified Modelling Lang

[half harness]

link?

[old wyvern]

Basically a diagram that shows how classes work with each other

[ocean quartz]

https://www.jetbrains.com/opensource/

[half harness]

btw if I do Player#sendMessage("a\nb"); will they be newlines?

[old wyvern]

Do you the OS license matt?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, all IDEs for free

[old wyvern]

Damn, nice

[half harness]

am I too java noob to apply?

[old wyvern]

Which project?

[ocean quartz]

MF

[old wyvern]

The cmd one?

[ocean quartz]

All of them, i think i linked everything

[old wyvern]

Or the entire thing?

Ah

Nice

[ocean quartz]

Should have applied for more contributors, then i could give license to people that help

[old wyvern]

o.o

[ocean quartz]

For example you helped on the msg lib ;p

[half harness]

my project isn't 3 months old :C

[old wyvern]

Wait when?

[forest pecan]

how long does it take usually for them to reply

[half harness]

my 3 month old projects are abandoned or horrible

[forest pecan]

hmm

[old wyvern]

oh wait the initial parsing thing right?

[old wyvern]

Did you apply for the github one?

[forest pecan]

yea

[old wyvern]

with documents or email?

[forest pecan]

email

[old wyvern]

When did you apply?

[forest pecan]

oh rip let me guess email takes ass long

[old wyvern]

No

[forest pecan]

like a couple days ago

[old wyvern]

I got mine the next day

[forest pecan]

oh

kekw

let me check my email ig

[old wyvern]

You wont get a mail I think

just check your github profile

It will show the pro badge

xD

Bruh

You already got it

[forest pecan]

o shit

i got it

lol

wait so

uhh

[ocean quartz]

Yeah https://github.com/TriumphTeam/markdown-msg/commit/0bf17da8dd5fcdd61c7169cf18984f6ba05620b0

[obtuse gale]

Ooh that's what the PRO thing means

Cool ig lol never knew what it was for and why I have that too lmao

[forest pecan]

lol

[old wyvern]

ayy

Hmmm

very weird

Images on github doesnt seem to load for me

unless on a VPN

🙃

[ocean quartz]

It's actually not that expensive for all the products

[old wyvern]

ah

[half harness]

thats eXpEnSivE

[old wyvern]

yearly tho

[half harness]

python IDLE ftw

[prisma wave]

Everywhere I go, I miss Rust's enums
So elegant. Lately I've been working Typescript which I think is a great language. But without Rust's enums, I feel clumsy.

Kotlin. C++. Java.

I just miss Rust's enums. Wherever I go.

[ocean quartz]

To get them all individually it would be $1248 a year

[lunar cypress]

Whenever I fall asleep, parentheses start popping in my head. I need parentheses, I long for parentheses

[prisma wave]

🤣

[half harness]

[ocean quartz]

Oh no, you're suffering from the lisp disease

It's recommended to take around 4 hours of clojure a day to ease the symptoms

[prisma wave]

Have you tried Haskell?

Haskell isn't something you try. It's a multi-year pilgrimage to the functional programming holy-land.

[forest pecan]

yoo

i got it

i got my code

ayy

[lunar cypress]

Once you've chosen Haskell, there's no way back.

wait no I got that wrong

You don't choose Haskell, Haskell chooses you

or something

[lunar cypress]

lmfao I just started checking r/pcj

[prisma wave]

where else would it be from lmao?

[old wyvern]

xD

[lunar cypress]

tf do I know, I just didn't realise you got it from there

[old wyvern]

Also technically haskell's functional calling is lisp without the outermost parenthesis

[lunar cypress]

but the daily visit to that subreddit doesn't disappoint

[old wyvern]

🥲

[lunar cypress]

just... no

[old wyvern]

It is tho

[lunar cypress]

Wait wdym by "functional calling"

[old wyvern]

I just mean its style of calling functions

like a lot others, uh f# has a simialr style I think

[prisma wave]

fun arg1 arg2

[lunar cypress]

well it comes from lambda calculus, doesn't have a lot to do with lisp

[old wyvern]

Yea, but it becomes more apparent with inner functions

[old wyvern]

no I meant like when you have functions as arguments

funA arg1 (funB a b)

something like this

[lunar cypress]

that's just for grouping though

I think

[old wyvern]

Yes

[lunar cypress]

And most lisps don't have native currying

[old wyvern]

But it pretty much ends up with just how lisps are in there tho?

[old wyvern]

yea I didnt mean that part john

I just meant that syntax

The parethesis and prefix functions

I havent used lisps enough to compare with anything more than that

[prisma wave]

over an hour of downloading compiling and installing haskell libraries and it's still not done 🥲

[old wyvern]

😬

[lunar cypress]

I really want to find that haskell-lisp again

[old wyvern]

which one?

[lunar cypress]

There is a horrendous language out there trying to combine haskell and lisp

But I have forgotten what it's called

[old wyvern]

o.o

[lunar cypress]

And I've also forgotten who linked me to it

[old wyvern]

https://github.com/haskell-lisp/yale-haskell

?

[prisma wave]

https://github.com/haskell-lisp/historic-lisk this?

lol

[old wyvern]

https://wiki.haskell.org/Haskell_Lisp

[prisma wave]

it's got to be one of those 2

[old wyvern]

Was from there

yea probably

https://github.com/haskell-lisp/liskell

This one actually ^

Haskell Semantics with Lisp Syntax

[lunar cypress]

why is there no readme

but yeah that might be it

[old wyvern]

They have a short description on the wiki link

From the ILC 2007 paper: "Liskell uses an extremely minimalistic parse tree and shifts syntactic classification of parse tree parts to a later compiler stage to give parse tree transformers the opportunity to rewrite the parse trees being compiled. These transformers can be user supplied and loaded dynamically into the compiler to extend the language." Has not received attention for a while, though the author has stated that he continues to think about it and has future plans for it.

[stuck harbor]

guess who is learning rust?

might be this guy

[old wyvern]

gl

Downloaded everything?

[lunar cypress]

you barely need anything

[prisma wave]

learning rust 🤤

[old wyvern]

Isnt the main installation a few GBs?

[lunar cypress]

you just need rustup

and a c++ compiler

[stuck harbor]

mhm

[prisma wave]

cargo build

[stuck harbor]

cargo.toml yeet

[old wyvern]

oh nothing else at all?

[stuck harbor]

rust's syntax is a nice compromise between python-style readability and C-style coolness

[lunar cypress]

[stuck harbor]

me like

[prisma wave]

words cannot express how beautiful the lifetime syntax is

[stuck harbor]

lifetime?

[old wyvern]

I just remember someone saying its like 10GB or something

idk

xD

[stuck harbor]

like... the tv network?

[prisma wave]

the sheer emotion i see from <'a> is better than heroin

[old wyvern]

You've had heroin?

[prisma wave]

wait that doesnt make sense

[stuck harbor]

mmmm

bm

[old wyvern]

Now does it

[prisma wave]

let me reword that

[old wyvern]

xD

[stuck harbor]

you had heroin?

[prisma wave]

nah

[lunar cypress]

Yeah I couldn't live without 300 's and <>s and :: in one line

[stuck harbor]

calls police

[prisma wave]

i dont need heroin

ive got rust lifetime syntax

[stuck harbor]

C++ is just * and & and ::

[lunar cypress]

I wish

[obtuse gale]

cocaine tho..

[prisma wave]

the sheer elation i get from seeing the code <'a> and knowing my code is 100% memory safe is greater than any drug

[obtuse gale]

for legal reasons that was a joke

[stuck harbor]

and when i write C++ i write it like

int main(urmum* sucks)
{

}

[lunar cypress]

C++ is unfortunately so complex you can't even parse it properly (not an exaggeration)

[prisma wave]

&mut self 🤤 😍

[stuck harbor]

when i do

public void yeet onYeet(Blah bla) {

}

[old wyvern]

you can't even parse it properly (not an exaggeration)
Wait what?

[stuck harbor]

why do i do different styles in different languages?

don't ask

[prisma wave]

would be nice if rust's convention was allman

[old wyvern]

ew

[prisma wave]

but i guess nothing is perfect

[old wyvern]

Go is

🙂

[prisma wave]

no

[old wyvern]

No Allman for you sir

K&R, take it or leave it

[prisma wave]

i love go but the lack of an overcomplicated lifetime system is really holding it back

[old wyvern]

xD

[old wyvern]

ah fair point, its too simplistic

[prisma wave]

yes!

[stuck harbor]

allman bad

[prisma wave]

not enough compiler errors!

[stuck harbor]

me no like allman

[old wyvern]

ikr!

[stuck harbor]

i like the linux style

[old wyvern]

Altho the last runtime error that I saw in Go still doesnt make sense 🙂

[prisma wave]

🙂

[stuck harbor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentation_style#Variant:_Linux_kernel

[prisma wave]

it would make sense in rust

because the compiler can detect any possible bug

[lunar cypress]

The syntax is so convoluted you can count the feature complete C++ parsers out there on one hand

Figure on 10 man-years to do a correct C++ parser, and that's if you're an experienced compiler guy.

[old wyvern]

😂 lmao

[prisma wave]

hmmm

[stuck harbor]

C++ was originally gonna be called C with classes

[prisma wave]

you dont even need 1 hand to count the feature complete elara compilers

[stuck harbor]

i wonder why

[prisma wave]

what does this mean?

[old wyvern]

ELARA GOAT

[obtuse gale]

it was, wasn't it?

[old wyvern]

wait

that sounds wrong

[stuck harbor]

but what i dont get, what does C# have to do with the C family?

[obtuse gale]

hence the extension .cc

[stuck harbor]

mhm

[old wyvern]

Elara GOAT

better

[lunar cypress]

the term c family is very broad, java is typically considered part of it too

[prisma wave]

it's loosely based on C syntax and has C in the name

[stuck harbor]

mmm yeah

bloody microsoft

[lunar cypress]

Just the syntax, really

[prisma wave]

yea lol

[old wyvern]

c# is also closely based on java 🥲

[stuck harbor]

why didn't they call it J# then?

[old wyvern]

Very

[prisma wave]

not enough Smalltalk family languages imo

[old wyvern]

Not sure

[stuck harbor]

then kotlin could be called J++

[prisma wave]

let's not

[old wyvern]

xD

[stuck harbor]

uniformity my dude

[lunar cypress]

Have you looked at Smalltalk? @prisma wave

[prisma wave]

briefly

[old wyvern]

COMPLETELY object oriented 🙂

[prisma wave]

PURE oop

[old wyvern]

That just means no primitive right?

[stuck harbor]

everything is object

[prisma wave]

seems like it would be an interesting language to learn

[lunar cypress]

I only have a very basic understanding of the concepts but I've actually never tried it

[prisma wave]

i think the smalltalk definition of OOP is different to the modern one

[old wyvern]

The next circlejerk should be COBOL 🙂

[prisma wave]

🙃

[lunar cypress]

Someone shoot me in the head before that happens

[old wyvern]

🥲

[prisma wave]

circlejerking about COBOL probably violates some human rights act

[lunar cypress]

the cpp subreddit is great

(parser discussion)
As others are saying, there's really nothing you can do here that's within an order of magnitude of being a student project's worth of work. My advice?

1. Google "most vexing parse".

2. Reread it a few time until you're on the verge of tears.

3. Realize that the entire language is full of things like this (Partial specialization, Koenig lookup, dependent name lookup, etc., etc., etc...).

4. Come up with a new project idea.

[old wyvern]

xD

[static zealot]

good morning

[lunar cypress]

Dijkstra has by far the best comments

[prisma wave]

absolutely

[old wyvern]

ikr xD

[static zealot]

xD

[lunar cypress]

a classic

[prisma wave]

What's worse?
A COBOL user
A 1.7 user

Nah bro ever since the C update the compiling mechanics suck

[static zealot]

Make a discordsrv addon that detects when someone is live on twitch and is playing on the server. Able to announce it in discord / in-game

let me just make an A.I that watches

the pixels on the screen

records everything the streamer say

[steel heart]

1.7

[static zealot]

to see if he's playing on the server

[prisma wave]

are you sure

[static zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-john-cena-ru-sure-about-dat-gif-14258954

[lunar cypress]

One thing I've realised is that most people cannot differentiate between trivial and essentially impossible programming tasks

and by people I mean non-programmers

[prisma wave]

"can't you just download an API or SDK to do this impossible task?"

[lunar cypress]

Their mind is blown when you call one function but they don't understand why you can't just make an AI that does their homework

[static zealot]

well

why just don't do it right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6laeV_9xGKo

[lunar cypress]

I bet that bot can't parse c++

[static zealot]

its actually a pretty smart thing and apparently it blew on tik tok xD

@prisma wave can I hire you?

[prisma wave]

absolt

Absolutely

[static zealot]

I need someone to print Haskel Sucks in haskel.

[prisma wave]

I charge $100/hr

Ok

[static zealot]

with double l

[prisma wave]

I will do in the morning

[lunar cypress]

please do it with no IO

[prisma wave]

well IO is a monad so

I'll have to

[old wyvern]

If you interpret that wording differently, Technically you arent doing any IO tho 🙂

[prisma wave]

?

[old wyvern]

please do it with no Input or Output

[lunar cypress]

how is printing not IO

[prisma wave]

print to the source code 🙂

just put it in a comment

[lunar cypress]

(defmacro print-at-source [arg]
  (println arg))

(print-at-source "hello, world")```wow, a clojure program without IO at runtime

[old wyvern]

IO is not being done by the function in haskell, thats their "hack" to being fully pure or something, atleast thats what they said in the course. Its just evalutated to IO objects straight away and IO is somewhat passed in by some native program

[prisma wave]

😊

[lunar cypress]

idc. As long as what it runs on is impure, the language is also impure

[old wyvern]

🥲

[prisma wave]

so that means...

[lunar cypress]

hate to break it to you but im a years long haskell expert

[old wyvern]

The diety

[prisma wave]

😩

[old wyvern]

😫

But... but

[prisma wave]

the ivory tower has been destroyed 😟

[old wyvern]

Haskell...

No

Its purity shall remain

I shall not be corrupted by the impure minds

[prisma wave]

yes this is absurd

If Haskell isn't pure why does it claim to be?!?

[old wyvern]

🥲

I mean all the functions IN haskell are pure tho

the external factors are doing the impure work

[prisma wave]

but

But

Referential transparency!!!!!

[old wyvern]

😱

wait

but

[lunar cypress]

Dear Haskal programmers,

you claim that your language is pure, yet I can print to the console.

Curious.

[old wyvern]

that only applies inside the functional language right?

[old wyvern]

😂

[prisma wave]

P U R 🙃 E

[old wyvern]

😫

[prisma wave]

🥲

[obtuse gale]

it's mostly fixes for Mac

[old wyvern]

🙁

[obtuse gale]

how much does it general cost a frontend web dev (no js) for one page?

[onyx loom]

atleast 1p

[old wyvern]

Not too much

What you trynna make?

[obtuse gale]

something like this

also itd need to be fully responsive and use bootstrap 5

[ocean quartz]

I would offer to do it, but only if it was in React and React bootstrap only supports 4.5

[obtuse gale]

I mean I guess bootstrap 4.5 is fine, how much would you charge

[ocean quartz]

Oof i'm not sure

[obtuse gale]

Otherwise where else is a good place to get someone to make this

[old wyvern]

Do you have the design for phones as well?

[obtuse gale]

no

[old wyvern]

What about the sprites for the diff parts

Like the tip containers bg

Top*

[obtuse gale]

yeah ive got it all as a psd and theyre all seperate shapesi n that

[forest pecan]

guys i think i fucked up my dithering

[obtuse gale]

nah looks fine

[forest pecan]

Yea totally

lol

[obtuse gale]

is making a REST API better if multiple applications are gonna use the same data, not just a website?

[jovial warren]

depends

REST APIs are usually useful when you're transferring data over HTTP(S) and only over HTTP(S)

[prisma wave]

the world if Arrays.asList("elem", otherList); worked

Required type:
List<String>
Provided:
List<Serializable>
no instance(s) of type variable(s) T exist so that T[] conforms to String
🥲

[hot hull]

get gud

[prisma wave]

let me guess "kotlin has a 1 liner for this"

something like listOf("elem", *otherList.toTypedArray()) maybe?

no

ridiculous

[hot hull]

I mean can't you just transform the list to an array and it'll work?

[prisma wave]

nah tried that

didnt work either

🥲

[hot hull]

ew

[prisma wave]

i guess i will have to suffer with my 4 liner

[hot hull]

I mean it can still be a 1 liner

[prisma wave]

🤨

[hot hull]

get gud

You working on a commission I presume

Is it 1.8

[prisma wave]

yes

and yes

😦

[steel heart]

why do u hate urself

[lunar cypress]

Do you want something like a cons or what

[prisma wave]

yes

[hot hull]

What does cons do

[prisma wave]

Returns a new seq where x is the first element and seq is
the rest.

(cons x seq)

which would be perfect

(cons "elem" list)

[lunar cypress]

If you don't need it as a lazy sequence you can implement this very easily

[prisma wave]

oh?

[lunar cypress]

are you in kotlin?

[prisma wave]

nah

[lunar cypress]

make an own list class that just has head and tail as fields, head being an element and tail being another list

[prisma wave]

oh nice

im not sure it's worth the effort tho

it's only 4 lines atm

[hot hull]

Show the lines BM

[prisma wave]

ok

hopefully this isnt proprietary

i wrote it so

List<String> schematics = new LinkedList<>();
schematics.add("all");
schematics.addAll(dlSpawn.getSpawnsConfig().getLocations().keySet());
return schematics;

ez

[lunar cypress]

Mfw no data List a = Head a List a | Empty

[prisma wave]

🥲

imagine writing plugins in haskell

that would be great

[lunar cypress]

It would be terrible

[prisma wave]

so idiomatic!

[hot hull]

I mean that could be 2 lines ;C

excluding the return

[prisma wave]

could it

[hot hull]

Yes

[lunar cypress]

could pass the list to the constructor

and then addFirst

[hot hull]

get gud BM

[prisma wave]

do tab completions get sorted?

on the client side

i cant remember

[hot hull]

uhh I can't remember either

I think they do, not 100% sure tho

[prisma wave]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hot hull]

BM, why is that list not final tho!!!!!

[prisma wave]

🙄

[hot hull]

Now I gotta test something smh

[lunar cypress]

Man, that linked list would be so much easier in rust...

oh wait PepeLa

[prisma wave]

literally anything would be easier in a language that isnt java

SonarLint: Refactor this method to reduce its Cognitive Complexity from 18 to the 15 allowed.

SHUT UP

[lunar cypress]

that was a joke

LinkedLists are terrible to implement in Rust

[prisma wave]

oh

how come?

[lunar cypress]

In fact so terrible that an entire book had to be written about it

[hot hull]

kek

[lunar cypress]

the ownership system doesn't like recursive data structures

[prisma wave]

oh great

[obtuse gale]

wait to make a rest api with spring to i just go like

@RestController
@RequestMapping("/api")
public class UserController{

@Autowired userRepo

@GetMapping("/users")
public list (){
return userRepo.findAll()
}

or is there a better way

[hot hull]

Where's the Factory!!!, also Aj, please for the love of god, fix that spacing

[obtuse gale]

I typed it in discord....

[hot hull]

Excuses!

[obtuse gale]

it literally has public list()

[hot hull]

public list (){
There should always be a space infront of {

[obtuse gale]

ok no

just is this the right way to do this lol

[remote goblet]

Wrong

[hot hull]

Burn the heretic

[obtuse gale]

I just wanna know how to make rest api 🥲

[remote goblet]

You can start by doing correct formatting !!!

[obtuse gale]

is the above with correct formatting the right way to do it?

[remote goblet]

Speaking of formatting

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/help-with-getting-config-info.486102/

:)

[obtuse gale]

cos im looking @ this rn and if i have this for every object I have wont i have alot of duplicate code?

since each object will have more or less the same controller

[prisma wave]

yes 🥲

[hot hull]

I mean just have an abstract class?

[obtuse gale]

bruh

surely not

thats what im thinking forsty

[hot hull]

If that would work even

[obtuse gale]

hm

[hot hull]

"forsty"

[obtuse gale]

because the repository would need to implement something

or do something

What happens if the base class has @RequestMapping and then the implementation has no RequestMapping but a GetMapping

[obtuse gale]

ok i came up with this

public abstract class BaseController<T, S extends JpaRepository<T, Long>> {
    private final S repo;

    public BaseController(S repo) {
        this.repo = repo;
    }

    @GetMapping
    public List<T> getAll() {
        return repo.findAll();
    }

    @GetMapping("/{id}")
    public Optional<T> findById(@PathVariable("id") Long id) {
        return repo.findById(id);
    }
}

this just has the basic methods on it atm, obviously ill expand it....

but it seems to do the job

then I can just implement it like this

@RestController
@RequestMapping("/api/users")
public class UserController extends BaseController<User, UserRepository> {
    public UserController(UserRepository repo) {
        super(repo);
    }
}

idk if theres a better way to do it but this works fine

[hot hull]

Spacing aaaaaaaaaaa

Long id
why this not primitive?

[steel heart]

cuz nullable

stupid

[obtuse gale]

idk what the fuck primitive means frosty i havent used java in ages

i know its like the lowercase one

idk what it does tho

[steel heart]

prevents nullability

[hot hull]

@steel heart Boutta smack you

[obtuse gale]

I mean this is all managed by spring so it will never be null will it

[steel heart]

such that a variable defined x of the primitive type int cannot be null instead the contract null -> 0 would apply

[obtuse gale]

apparently type args cant be primitive

[steel heart]

F

[lunar cypress]

that isn't a type argument though?

[steel heart]

idk

It has some similarities to a normal type inform of a class, you'd declare both the same way,
int x
Integer y

Or am I wrong now?

[lunar cypress]

I don't understand what you're saying

what is "it" and what is "a normal type inform of a class"

[steel heart]

primitive, and a class type (idk the notion of the right term for that)

[lunar cypress]

reference type

[steel heart]

okay reference type

okay so now let me rephrase then

[lunar cypress]

you can't declare a primitive type, but yes, the variable declaration syntax does not change depending on the type

[steel heart]

declaration syntax is probably a better name yeah

But isn't one meaning of declaring, to declare (create) a variable?

[vagrant void]

stack

stoc

stroc

crocks

[half harness]

[vagrant void]

a

it was me all along

[lunar cypress]

yes, but there is a difference between declaring a type and declaring a variable of that type

[steel heart]

yeah that is correct

Wait Johnny

Have you learnt the lambda calculus?

[lunar cypress]

not formally yet, but I do know how it works yeah

I mean there isn't much to learn tbh, the harder thing is to actually fully understand it

[steel heart]

hmm yeah I looked it up on wikipedia, seemed interesting but complicated to understand like you said, learning in university?

[lunar cypress]

I will be learning it in uni, but before I get to that lecture I'll probably learn it by myself because my interest in theory has grown recently

In terms of syntax and semantics it's really just function declaration and application

so not hard to understand on a basic level

using it to prove stuff and whatnot is the scary thing

[steel heart]

oo nice nice, wait what you study in uni btw?

[lunar cypress]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eis11j_iGMs

here's a good overview/basic primer

[steel heart]

wow that exists

ty 🙂

[lunar cypress]

computer science

[steel heart]

ah is it hard?

[obtuse gale]

yeah it is

JPARepository<User, long>

[lunar cypress]

oh didn't see that my bad

thought you were just talking about the param

[lunar cypress]

I'm usually a quick learner and perform well in school-like settings but I am often at my limit here so I'd say yes

[obtuse gale]

Is there a way to unlink my previous Discord account? I got a new one and want to verify this one.

[steel heart]

hmm I consider taking cs in some years, need to finish regular school and stuff first sadly and sweden is very late with teaching stuff

[lunar cypress]

definitely check the curricula of the unis you consider applying to

here in Germany it can vary quite a bit

and it's good to get an impression of what will come at you

I assume the first semesters are also very math-heavy in sweden

[steel heart]

oh yeah definitively

[lunar cypress]

In my case school didn't prepare me for this a single bit

almost everything was completely new to me

[quiet depot]

did your school have a cs subject?

[lunar cypress]

yes

[steel heart]

Well Idk if the binomial theorem and similar stuff is preparing for cs but presumably not

[lunar cypress]

That initialised my interest in programming and had some practical topics like databases, networks, OOP (modeling), encryption

but none of the "pure maths"

[quiet depot]

man I wish my school had cs

[steel heart]

same

[quiet depot]

although I love all the subjects i'm doing

only one I'd be willing to switch out is english but it's required

[lunar cypress]

I guess the one thing that school teaches you is some parts of analysis

Differentiation was last week's topic in my analysis class, but that was the only thing I knew before to some degree so far

[steel heart]

Yeah somewhat analysis perhaps

[lunar cypress]

a lot more formalised of course, you know, not just "differentiate that function" anymore

[steel heart]

I know barely nothing about differentiation functions or what's called sadly

[lunar cypress]

or derivative

dunno what you call it in sweden but you definitely know it if you're like past grade 8

[steel heart]

actually I will learn that next year I think

so it's taught in middle of college

weirdly enough

[onyx loom]

😄

doing a lesson on oop for college, havent even finished the lesson yet 😊

[hot hull]

And I oop

Drive is dead, f's in the chat boys

[forest pecan]

hi

i need help

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @forest pecan!

[forest pecan]

i need help

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @forest pecan!

[hot hull]

No you don't

[forest pecan]

give me help

i need help

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @forest pecan!

[forest pecan]

I do. there is this kid named Frosty which is chilling me 🥶

[onyx loom]

eh

how

[hot hull]

wdym how, it was like 10 years old

[onyx loom]

🙄

[digital mortar]

can someone @ me in dms i got a question about a plugin 🙂

[half harness]

Send it here

[prisma wave]

https://ocaml.org/

[digital mortar]

@half harness can you check under #general-plugins i sent it there 🙂

[ocean quartz]

Don't ask people to check your message, be patient

[digital mortar]

sorry 😛

[half harness]

im on a different device, should I use notepad or intellij to code xD

[static zealot]

np

[half harness]

ok

[static zealot]

microsoft word*

[half harness]

i dont think i have that installed

nvm i do

actually i just realized that I'd have to handle imports and stuff

so ima install intellij

https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox or https://www.jetbrains.com/toolbox-app

[distant sun]

is the same thing

first redirect to toolbox-app

[half harness]

oh

ok

thx

how do I get dark mode for toolbox 😬

[prisma wave]

somewhere in settings

[quiet depot]

settings > appearance and behaviour > theme

[prisma wave]

shouldnt be too hard to find lol

[half harness]

hmmm

[quiet depot]

update toolbox

[half harness]

ok its updating

yayyy

its there 🙂

are the only community versions intellij and pycharm?

lol if there wasn't intellij community i'd be using eclipse

😫

[quiet depot]

dkim how old r u

actually don't answer that lol

just tell me if you're in school

[half harness]

yes

[quiet depot]

do you have a school email address?

[half harness]

yes

[quiet depot]

https://education.github.com

u can get ij ultimate for free

along with all other jetbrains products

[half harness]

interesting

cool

[quiet depot]

it's what most of us here use

that or the os edition (you can get an ultimate license if u have a popular os project, i.e. papi)

[half harness]

really?

[quiet depot]

yes

[lunar cypress]

doesn't even need to be popular

[quiet depot]

o

gh education also offers a bunch of other stuff

credit on hosting services

free and discounted domains

[half harness]

heyy i can applyy 🙂

[quiet depot]

loads of tools

also github pro for free

[distant sun]

lol really?

[quiet depot]

I highly recommend using gitkraken pro from the education pack, it's great

along with termius

definitely two of my favourite tools

[half harness]

yes! it recognizes my school lol

what should I put in "How do you plan to use GitHub" xD

hmmm

i want to put something good

something yummy

[stuck harbor]

lol i just said 'learning'

[half harness]

u got accepted?

[onyx loom]

yh thats what i put

[half harness]

hm ok

[quiet depot]

I think acceptation is automatic

[half harness]

o

ok ima submit 😬

hopefully i get accepted

[quiet depot]

keep in mind u'll need to renew it every 2 years

[onyx loom]

it takes a few days

[quiet depot]

o

[half harness]

._.

lol

[lunar cypress]

they don't notify you when you receive it mind you

[half harness]

oh?

[old wyvern]

yea

[half harness]

how do I know then?

[stuck harbor]

it didnt take me long

like a day

[lunar cypress]

yeah idk what the deal with that is

[stuck harbor]

just check it all the time

[old wyvern]

you'll need to check your github profile page

[quiet depot]

just keep checking the site dkim

[old wyvern]

It would show the badge there

[half harness]

okay

[stuck harbor]

oh yeah, if u keep checking ur github profile, the PRO badge will just appear

[lunar cypress]

nah, just actively maintained, non-commercial etc

[stuck harbor]

thats how i found out

[half harness]

ahhh im impatient now lol

[quiet depot]

that's good to know johnny

[old wyvern]

It may take a day

[half harness]

so if i wait 2 weeks and nothing happens im denied?

[stuck harbor]

u also get clion for free

[half harness]

clion?

[quiet depot]

iwanio you get nearly everything for free

[old wyvern]

It probably wont dki

[stuck harbor]

looks at my current discord activity

[half harness]

what lang?

[stuck harbor]

rust

[half harness]

[prisma wave]

rust in clion

[half harness]

wait

why did

it go to Trusted

[stuck harbor]

Clion is C and C++, but intellij has a rust plugin

[half harness]

i thought there was a rust emoji

[stuck harbor]

and clion is apparently better with the rust plugin than intellij

[prisma wave]

weird

[quiet depot]

iwanio that can't be right

[stuck harbor]

🤷 i got it for free idc

[old wyvern]

Both are supposed to be the same

[prisma wave]

not sure what the difference would be

yeah

[old wyvern]

Ultimate and Clion

[stuck harbor]

meh whatever

[quiet depot]

ij ultimate can do everything all other jetbrains ides can do

[old wyvern]

mhm

[stuck harbor]

mmm ah well

🤷

[onyx loom]

o

[lunar cypress]

wheres that from

[quiet depot]

https://intellij-rust.github.io/

[stuck harbor]

well alrighty then

[quiet depot]

wait no that description slightly differs

here we go https://www.jetbrains.com/rust/

[lunar cypress]

yeah ok that's just the rust plugin

but that doesn't work better in Clion I believe

[quiet depot]

also btw

I got an email when I got github edu

[stuck harbor]

really?

i didn't

strange

[lunar cypress]

me neither

[quiet depot]

yeah I just went through my school emails and found it

although looking at the date

this may be for the renewal

even though it's written like it's the first time

[stuck harbor]

ahhh my cpu is at 93%

fn main() {
    println!("Hello, world!");
}
``` very nice

just reading https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/ch01-02-hello-world.html

It’s good style to place the opening curly bracket on the same line as the function declaration, adding one space in between.

mmm yes

lovin' these docs already

[quiet depot]

if you like rust you might like vlang

it took inspiration from rust

[prisma wave]

lol

[quiet depot]

and go

[stuck harbor]

mmm ill add that to the list

[prisma wave]

&mut 🙂

[stuck harbor]

ahhh

[lunar cypress]

PepeLa

[ocean quartz]

https://surveys.jetbrains.com/s3/developer-ecosystem-survey-2021-sh?pcode=705210365355014784

[distant sun]

interesting

[ocean quartz]

Lovely

[static zealot]

you better use it now til you kan

can*

[distant sun]

Damn Matt

[half harness]

😫

yeah i dont think intellij likes my computer

[static zealot]

damn Matt you were right. its not as easy as I thought xD

I just pushed a commit from IJ and got every file removed except the main class xD

[ocean quartz]

How did you manage to do that? xD

[static zealot]

no idea.

[steel heart]

lololololo

ndsadhias

[static zealot]

the thing is I didn't clone the github I just copied the .git folder xD its weird. I gotta learn to use this first lmao

the project in my pc was very different from what I had before

and for some reason all my classes are marked with red in IJ xD https://i.imgur.com/dK0W8be.png

oh wait I think I know what I did xD

oh yeah

so for some reason they files were split in 2 categories, versioned and unversioned. no idea what that means, this is when you select what changed file to commit. And I've only selected the versioned ones.

and pushed just those

but I forgot to not push .idea .gradle and the build folder fuck

[steel heart]

lmfao

[half harness]

whats so bad about pushing .idea and .gradle?

build folder i get

but whats so bad about the others

[prisma wave]

. files are supposed to be hidden

but theyre also specific to you

so

not necessary to push

[steel heart]

thats why I always push those

[static zealot]

xD

[forest pecan]

lmfao

please don't push .idea and .gradle

I swear my eyes will 🤮 when i see that

[static zealot]

dw its private repo

you're eyes will never see that

[steel heart]

a new innovation for deluxeasyncjoinmessage

pushing fucked up .idea files

[half harness]

Please don't look in my github repos-

[static zealot]

xD

[half harness]

Is there a way to prrmanently remove files?

from git history too.. or not possible? || 🥲 ||

[hot hull]

I push everything, because I frankly don't give two shits

[steel heart]

nt rly

[half harness]

aw man

okay

[forest pecan]

Frosty its okay you are already an abomination || jkjkjkjkjk dont ban pls ||

[obtuse gale]

Delete the branch

[half harness]

my commits though-

it looks so cool seeing "60 commits" 😎

[steel heart]

u could re push the repo

like yeet the current one

then push

tho

u want github contributions probably

[ocean quartz]

Wait you have things on Github? I thought you didn't want people stealing your code kekw

[hot hull]

Lmao

[half harness]

I have learned || sorta not really ||

[static zealot]

dkim ngl but you're the last person I'll steal the code from

[obtuse gale]

Why would you

[static zealot]

xD

hello

fuck

=help

[compact perch]

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Bad boi Barry | HelpChat Offical Bot · Jan 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

[static zealot]

here we go

[half harness]

the

ACK

._ .

im blue tho

:))))

[static zealot]

yeah hello blue

I'm orange

[half harness]

[ocean quartz]

Dabadee dabadie

[half harness]

this-

[ocean quartz]

Why do you love to spam?

[static zealot]

oh damn now I'm going to listen to that song for 2 hours

[steel heart]

wait

what

dkim staff

[forest pecan]

wait

wtf

lol

[static zealot]

o?

[forest pecan]

how

[static zealot]

dkim staff?

where?

@half harness

no he's not staff

[forest pecan]

OH

LMAO

[half harness]

;-;

[ocean quartz]

Just Blitz being Blitz

[half harness]

blitzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[forest pecan]

You actually bamboozled me

[half harness]

noo blitz :C

[obtuse gale]

You really fell for it?

Lmao

[forest pecan]

Yeah

lmao

[steel heart]

oh wow blitz

[static zealot]

here

[steel heart]

so funneeh

[static zealot]

fixed

[half harness]

hmm

hey not dkim19375

[static zealot]

hello dkim

[half harness]

how r u

[static zealot]

how am I? I am just like that

[half harness]

what r u doing rn?

[prisma wave]

java pattern matching

https://twitter.com/OpenJDK/status/1351688063827779588?s=19

OpenJDK (@OpenJDK)

We're zeroing in on a feature list for the next iteration of pattern matching, which includes:

• New kinds of patterns
• New place for patterns: switch

more @ https://t.co/VtOijtJ6oB

#OpenJDK #ProjectAmber

Twitter · Jan 20, 2021, 12:28 AM

[old wyvern]

😮

[lunar cypress]

wonder when the new java syntax will be so disconnected from java 8 that you essentially have two different programming languages

[ocean quartz]

I love the dedication to the page design they put on, the css is beautiful

[lunar cypress]

it's a mail

you're supposed to subscribe to the mailing list

[prisma wave]

probably like java 23-ish

the pattern matching proposals look very different

and var, lambdas etc are very different to 7

[hot hull]

We need extensions!!!!

[prisma wave]

java doesnt want extensions

apparently thats what default methods are supposed to be used for

[lunar cypress]

??

[prisma wave]

http://cr.openjdk.java.net/~briangoetz/lambda/Defender Methods v4.pdf

idk some guy in another discord said that

[hot hull]

Fucking idiots if you ask me

[half harness]

umm

does that mean I have

github pro?

[old wyvern]

Yes

[distant sun]

yes

[half harness]

NO WAY

YESSSSS

xD

[old wyvern]

Thats a lot of S's

[half harness]

i should have done that github student thing a while ago

thx @quiet depot

❤️

i didn't get an email tho

[onyx loom]

lol

[half harness]

so

how do i get intellij ultimate

🥲

[onyx loom]

u login to ur jetbrains account thats linked to gh account

then u download ultimate

[stuck harbor]

go to https://education.github.com

[half harness]

huh

i can still use it?

[stuck harbor]

https://education.github.com/pack/offers

go there

[half harness]

DOMAIn

I GET DOMAIN

wait is it just 1 year?

😔

[old wyvern]

The namecheap one?

[half harness]

yes

[old wyvern]

Well its kinda weird. its only for github pages

[half harness]

:C

[stuck harbor]

oof

[half harness]

Details 1 free year domain registration, 1 free year Advanced Security (SSL, privacy protection, and more).

[old wyvern]

The tech one allows any I believe

[half harness]

this one is name.com

[stuck harbor]

but yeah dkim go to the jetbrains section

[half harness]

jeez so many things

[old wyvern]

No idea, go check it out

[half harness]

y ei did

theres a link

https://www.jetbrains.com/community/education/?authMethod=github#students

[old wyvern]

I havent gone through all the offers

[stuck harbor]

dkim press apply and then github

[half harness]

hmm

xD

what is a license id for?

🥳

[stuck harbor]

it is for confirmation, I guess?

[half harness]

is it bad to share?

[stuck harbor]

well I would recommend that you don't

best be safe

[half harness]

YES TERMIUS

[stuck harbor]

what even is termius

[half harness]

#dev-general message lol

[stuck harbor]

I just do ssh

[half harness]

i can get so many premium stuff 😍

[stuck harbor]

mhm