dev-general

[late grove]

What would be better for my first proper PC upgrade?
32gb ram or ryzen 5 3600/other similar priced cpu or aio

[onyx loom]

what do u have rn

[obtuse gale]

Depends on your needs and wants

[late grove]

lemme download nzxt cam as its easier to show in a ss

[obtuse gale]

For my use case I would upgrade RAM, I tend to have a lot of shit open and it's starting to slow down a bit 🥲

But that isn't necessarily your use case

[late grove]

My ram is usually near maxed

I have 2 discords, teams, 14 firefox tabs and then minecraft and intellij, my ram go brrrr

electron be like

its a r5 1600

[onyx loom]

what are ur needs?

[hot hull]

Sum love

[onyx loom]

o

[late grove]

I play minecraft and use intellij, thats really about it

[old wyvern]

How much RAM do you have rn?

16?

[late grove]

16

3000mhz

[old wyvern]

Go for ryzen 5 3600

[late grove]

I could sell my 2x8 and buy a 2x16

[onyx loom]

cpu then ig

[hot hull]

Harry, my potato pc runs mc, IJ, and bitwise, plus 2 tabs of chrome just fine

Discord included

[late grove]

This is what i call "idling"

[hot hull]

All with 3gb ram

[late grove]

basically nothing is open

[tranquil crane]

Top processes: Discord
ah I remember the days when discord used 85% of my cpu

[late grove]

is my cpu idling at 55 degress bad?

[onyx loom]

no

[late grove]

A normal temperature for idle PCs clocks in between 30 to 40 degrees

[onyx loom]

dusty pc 🥲

probably, or bad cooler

[late grove]

cleaned it out about a week ago

[tranquil crane]

It's not bad but it is a bit higher than average

[late grove]

but it is on carpet

[tranquil crane]

Your power supply is probably choking a bit

As long as it doesn't stay over 85c at load it's probably fine

[late grove]

lemme open pcbs

whats good gpu temps at load

[onyx loom]

anything lower than ~80c is fine

[late grove]

https://i.imgur.com/YNwoRRo.png

this is like the max i ever reach

[old wyvern]

What are you running

oh god

[late grove]

this is all i am doing

its that rgb 😄

[old wyvern]

is that a game?

[late grove]

yes

[onyx loom]

if thats a complete gpu stress test, then thats absolutely fine as ull hardly ever reach those temps / load

[old wyvern]

Which one?

[late grove]

pc building sim

[old wyvern]

lol wut xD

[half harness]

🤢

[late grove]

meh i like it

[old wyvern]

welp

[late grove]

my 2nd most played steam game, yes i dont game much

after leaving it open its getting 🥵

ye i dm'd that guy

he had someone do it for $2.50

i would probs do it for free

Why do so many people create join/leave messages plugins on spigot

its like one line to set the join message

[onyx loom]

easy first plugin etc etc

[late grove]

I have so many bad plugins I made on my spigot

so i just keep reporting them saying I would like to remove this from my spigot.

And they do actually get removed

[onyx loom]

can u not remove them urself?

[late grove]

nope

[onyx loom]

o

shame

[late grove]

i put in one of the reports "please add a delete button"

idk

[surreal quarry]

yea i’ve reported my stuff before lol

[half harness]

#794429922454142986 message 🙄

hes still attemping to do it

[half harness]

welp

he edited it

now its just building

[ocean quartz]

Pro builder for $10 kek

[half harness]

oh its deleted now

[onyx loom]

$10 is $10

[half harness]

😫

[ocean quartz]

[half harness]

😭

how?!

also what font is that

[onyx loom]

pc bad

[winter iron]

I love kotlin

values().map { it to it.probability() }.toMap()```

thats so good

[old wyvern]

Mono

[onyx loom]

🙂

[ocean quartz]

Fira code medium

[winter iron]

that line just makes me happy

ngl

[old wyvern]

oh

[half harness]

how to change font?

[ocean quartz]

Setttings editor, somewhere there

[half harness]

thx 🙂

okay

[surreal quarry]

the kotlin list/map utilities are so awesome

[winter iron]

awesome isnt even the word man

[half harness]

what font size?

[winter iron]

shits fucking crazy

[half harness]

OH GOSH

THIS

FONT

is

so

[ocean quartz]

16

[half harness]

🤢

[surreal quarry]

its such a great language

[winter iron]

kotlin hype

[onyx loom]

"java is better" 🤡

[ocean quartz]

If you don't like it why you ask? lol

[half harness]

thats how big it is

[winter iron]

thats good

[half harness]

how

[winter iron]

thats good font

[half harness]

uh

how big is ur monitor matt

[winter iron]

wait hold up

is that java?

[half harness]

that u can do size 16

[winter iron]

🤢

[onyx loom]

why does everything look squished on ur monitor dkim

[half harness]

IDK

[onyx loom]

its like 720p

[half harness]

I have like 27 inch monitor

1080p

and its so squished

[prisma wave]

27inch isn't that small

[half harness]

u sure its 16?

[ocean quartz]

24''

[half harness]

;-;

show screenshot

I need proof

[onyx loom]

best size

[half harness]

show screenshot of settings

[half harness]

huh?

where is that

[ocean quartz]

I said editor why tf did you go to appearance?

[half harness]

oh

lool

uh

i see no change

[onyx loom]

dkim do u always say ur pc is slow

[half harness]

idk if it worked

[half harness]

uh

[ocean quartz]

I don't use fire for the editor btw, only console and code

[half harness]

OKAY

WTF

so BIG

[onyx loom]

might help if u close some of these useless apps

[half harness]

lol

okay matt i cant use the settings u have

[ocean quartz]

Edge 🤮

[half harness]

oh no..

[onyx loom]

🥲

[ocean quartz]

Also is that a vpn?

[onyx loom]

nord vpn it looks like lol

[half harness]

lol

dont question

🤣

[onyx loom]

suspicious acitivites going on around here 🤨

[prisma wave]

Why so many icons in bottom right

[half harness]

XD

I knew it was a mistake to show the taskbar

[half harness]

the up arrow

tho

[onyx loom]

hey im just tryna help with ur pc being slow

[half harness]

lol

[prisma wave]

Why do you need do many things

That's horrible

[prisma wave]

So many colours

[old wyvern]

why is minecraft even in the tray??

[half harness]

5zig

[frigid badge]

that’s not even much open though??

[half harness]

👀

[prisma wave]

How much memory you got

[ocean quartz]

Pretty similar

[onyx loom]

it is when its killing dkims pc lemmo 🥲

[half harness]

i have 8gb

[onyx loom]

good matt, nice and clean

[half harness]

why is ur monitor so big

[onyx loom]

except delete LoL 🤮

[half harness]

or

wut

[frigid badge]

damn y’all got like nothing open lmao

[half harness]

screenshot

now

[frigid badge]

I’m not at my laptop

it’s 12 AM

[prisma wave]

I can't use the small taskbar

[frigid badge]

I’m in bed

[ocean quartz]

It's not big, wtf

[prisma wave]

The Intellij icon looks too awful

[half harness]

sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep

[prisma wave]

Literally unusable

[ocean quartz]

Like i said 1080p 24''

[half harness]

how is ur taskbar so small then

[prisma wave]

There's a setting for small taskbar

[half harness]

this is task manager

[prisma wave]

Which would be nice if it didn't make IJ's icon ugly af

[onyx loom]

8gb in 2021 be like 😔

[half harness]

;-;

[onyx loom]

which one

ah yes, a vpn taking 20% of ur cpu

[prisma wave]

Wdym

The condensed Intellij icon is different

[half harness]

🤔

[prisma wave]

It looks ugly

[old wyvern]

Micro what

[ocean quartz]

And yet it's still running fast

[half harness]

HOW

does CHROME

take up

0.8%

how good is ur cpu?

also whats the java thingy

[surreal quarry]

probably mc or a mc server

[half harness]

and how much ram do you have?!

[onyx loom]

@prisma wave the one at the top or bottom is ugly?

[prisma wave]

Bottom is ugly

Top is nice

[onyx loom]

o

i like that one

its clean

[prisma wave]

noo

Because

[surreal quarry]

ew what

the top one is so much nicer

[ocean quartz]

i5 7500 16GB

[prisma wave]

It looks the same for community edition

So how are you supposed to flex

[ocean quartz]

Modded mc 65 mods

[old wyvern]

How many tabs matt

[prisma wave]

Also it's just ugly in general

[onyx loom]

u can barely see the top one in detail its so small

[half harness]

YOU play MODDED?

well

[ocean quartz]

12

[half harness]

i guess ur a dev

[prisma wave]

Yea but the taskbar uses that in normal mode

So you can see it in higher res

[onyx loom]

o

[regal gale]

Short question: what's gonna happen if someone uses a pirated IJ Ultimate

[half harness]

🙂

[onyx loom]

ok yea it looks better when taskbar isnt small compared to the simple logo

[half harness]

why would they 🤔

[onyx loom]

but the taskbar is too big for me imo

[half harness]

28 mods 😛

[ocean quartz]

Chrome uses ram based on free ram, if it doesn't have too many it uses little

[prisma wave]

Yeah it's a shame

Small taskbar is nice

But small IJ sucks

[ocean quartz]

Beautiful

Ugly

[old wyvern]

Isnt Forge dead now or something?

[half harness]

wdym

i like forge

[old wyvern]

I've heard that Fabric or somethign replaced forge?

[half harness]

ohh

[ocean quartz]

Fabric is so much better than forge

[half harness]

forge has more mods tho (because older)

[obtuse gale]

while (std::ram.available()) {
  new byte[1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024];
}

[old wyvern]

Is forge still up to date?

[ocean quartz]

Though i'm on 1.12 since most nice mods aren't updated yet

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[half harness]

time to play some hypixel duels 😛

[old wyvern]

ah

[ocean quartz]

Big api changes to 1.15+

[ocean quartz]

Basically

[prisma wave]

import elara/mem

while true => memAlloc(1024 * 1024)

[onyx loom]

[old wyvern]

Unsafe Elara

[prisma wave]

yes

Elara needs an unsafe API

[half harness]

guess what this is 😛

[surreal quarry]

elara needs a safe api first

[half harness]

(the suit)

[old wyvern]

It does have a safe api

o.o

Kind of

but yes

[obtuse gale]

import elara/unsafe

sys.unsafe => kill

[prisma wave]

o

[obtuse gale]

100% elara dev 🌚

[prisma wave]

clearly

[ocean quartz]

import elara/unsafe

sys.unsafe => sys.safe = true

[prisma wave]

setters

Come on

We're better than that

[old wyvern]

import elara/file

File("C:\Windows\System32").delete()```

[prisma wave]

😳

[onyx loom]

🌝

[prisma wave]

What if

[old wyvern]

We need, a virus in Elara

🙂

[surreal quarry]

import elara/virus

virus.execute()```

[old wyvern]

ah yes

[surreal quarry]

ill pr that

[prisma wave]

sudo {
    File("/").deleteRecursively()
}

🙂

[ocean quartz]

Does elara already have loops?

[old wyvern]

yes

[prisma wave]

Yes

[onyx loom]

elara just has an import for everything 🤣

[ocean quartz]

Nice gonna make tic tac toe in elara

[old wyvern]

while and recursive loop

[prisma wave]

Ofc it does

[surreal quarry]

import elara/imports```

[old wyvern]

The elara std lib includes the universe

[ocean quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-head-explode-amazing-shocking-wow-gif-19681784

[prisma wave]

Whatever you want to do, "there's an import for that"

[surreal quarry]

gonna be bigger than the kotlin standard lib 👀

[prisma wave]

100x bigger

[onyx loom]

new elara motto

[prisma wave]

Maybe more

[old wyvern]

import elara/qubits

let a = Qubit()
let rnd = a.findState()
```?????

[prisma wave]

😳

random boolean generator

[obtuse gale]

Qubit#findState() gives a Pair<State, State> 🌝

[surreal quarry]

elara web servers

[obtuse gale]

it splits in two

[old wyvern]

wha xD

I meant like reading the state at that point

the state is binary only till its measured afaik

[prisma wave]

a.observe()

[old wyvern]

ah yes better

Go interpretter in Elara

🙂

[prisma wave]

o

but that means

You could

😳

[old wyvern]

yea, the cat is dead

[prisma wave]

import elara/cat

killCat()

[onyx loom]

not the cat 😭

[surreal quarry]

the cat is dead

[onyx loom]

actually, fuck the cats

[prisma wave]

the cat had it coming

[old wyvern]

import elara/elara

elara()

Turing complete
Thank you for attending my Ted talk

[prisma wave]

wow!

Amazing!

[onyx loom]

omg thats crazy

creating elara in elara!

[surreal quarry]

import elara/elara

elara.generateStdLib()
elara.generateUnsafeLib()```

[prisma wave]

o

Well

🥲

[surreal quarry]

we need elara syntax highlighting in discord

smh

[obtuse gale]

elara.generateUnsafeLib().makeSafe().locked = true

[prisma wave]

just use rust

It's close enough

mostly

But yes I agree

[obtuse gale]

Yea BM elara discord highlighting when

[surreal quarry]

just PR discord smh

[prisma wave]

it uses some JS library for it I think

Can't remember the name tho

[surreal quarry]

i think i know the one you';re talking about

but I also dont remember the naem

[prisma wave]

Lol

[onyx loom]

classic

[prisma wave]

Classic

[onyx loom]

elara markdown library when

actualyl wait

thats useless

[surreal quarry]

im thinking of prism

[onyx loom]

elara is the one and only!

[surreal quarry]

idk if thats the one you are thinking about

[prisma wave]

TriumphChat in elara

[onyx loom]

matt make it happen

[prisma wave]

I don't recognise it but it might be

Tbh

We probably kinda close to starting with JVM

[onyx loom]

O

[old wyvern]

import elara/timetravel
import elara/universe
let time_machine = TimeMachine()
time_machine travelBack 14000000000
let universe = Universe(time_machine.fetchTimeContinum())
universe.simulate()

[onyx loom]

OH

hello??????

[prisma wave]

We've finalised most of the ideas

I think

Like

There's no obvious things we need to change anymore

[surreal quarry]

just wait until you do it once then have to rewrite it 🥲

[prisma wave]

That's gonna be fun

[onyx loom]

why is it in a simulation tho?

why not reality 😦

[old wyvern]

We are in a simulation

reality is the simulation

[onyx loom]

o

[old wyvern]

Elara is the paradox

[onyx loom]

big brain

[old wyvern]

🙂

[prisma wave]

someone PR a JVM compiler please 🙂

we also have a small issue

I don't think there are many / any libraries for JVM bytecode manipulation in Go

[old wyvern]

🥲

[onyx loom]

time to switch back to kotlin!

[prisma wave]

So we'd either have to write our own, or switch to java and use ByteBuddy or something

🥲

[old wyvern]

Either rewrite to a JVM language OR write a bytecode writing lib first 🙂

😫

[prisma wave]

Hmm

Both sound pretty hard

And Go is fast

[old wyvern]

Might be nice to try the second just for the sake of learning tho

[prisma wave]

I'd rather write a bytecode lib ngl

Yeah

[old wyvern]

mhm

[prisma wave]

also it would be faster

[old wyvern]

What would be?

[prisma wave]

A Go implementation

[old wyvern]

oh we will have to rewrite to Elara anyway tho xD

[prisma wave]

Yeah... ☹️

[old wyvern]

The final speed we get would be that of the JVM

[prisma wave]

Very sad

[old wyvern]

Altho I assume you can bypass a lot of Java checks when directly writing the bytecode

[prisma wave]

Yeah definitely

But

[obtuse gale]

Fefo6644/elara Fefo6644/elara-stdlib SOON™️ in the next 25 years

[old wyvern]

Yea it wont be as fast as go

[prisma wave]

It will still be slower :(

[old wyvern]

😦

[obtuse gale]

I will PR all the performance improvements

[prisma wave]

Thank you

Tbf with Graal and some clever optimisations it wouldn't be that bad

But

Still not as good

Sadly

I guess we'll have to add native compilation too

Maybe commission Niall to run a profiler and optimise

He seems to do that a lot

[old wyvern]

yea sure

[onyx loom]

enterprise solutions always come to the rescue

[prisma wave]

Yes

AbstractBytecodeBeanProviderFactory.elr

🌚

[old wyvern]

EnterpriseElara

Elara EE

EEE

[lunar cypress]

Not really

Class files are validated

[old wyvern]

welp

[prisma wave]

Btw do we still have generics?

I forgot

I guess kind of

[old wyvern]

as in?

[prisma wave]

<T>

Or whatever

[old wyvern]

Yea

[prisma wave]

I think we need them in some places

[old wyvern]

Havent added a way to explicitly define that T tho so a bit more work left there

[prisma wave]

type Result<T> = Some<T> | None

Yeah

All we need to do is a few parser modifications and match expressions I think

Need to introduce that new contract syntax with the where too

[old wyvern]

Could you add them to the trello?

[prisma wave]

Yeah if I remember In the morning

Late now

[old wyvern]

I lost track of which channel we discussed a lot of those

[old wyvern]

Yea sure

[lunar cypress]

I'm wondering, do you guys formalise the syntax or do you kinda just throw new stuff in the code

[prisma wave]

Wdym

Like write a spec?

[lunar cypress]

No, I mean like how do you implement new syntactical elements

[prisma wave]

Just add them to the parser and handle them at runtime accordingly

[old wyvern]

Speaking of which

I should really clean up the parser

Have no classes for 3 days so might do that

[prisma wave]

The interpreter needs a cleanup too lol

Okay nice

[old wyvern]

Shall I just use the Command classes as the nodes this time?

[prisma wave]

uh probably not

Cuz the Commands contain runtime information a lot of the time

Actually maybe you could

[old wyvern]

ah okay sure 👍

[prisma wave]

But I don't think it will work everywhere

Try it ig

[old wyvern]

Alrighty

[quiet sierra]

Government is doing country-wide lockdown for 30 days here

[old wyvern]

Nice

[quiet sierra]

Kids 9th grade and below stay at school

[old wyvern]

New strain going all out

[quiet sierra]

10th and above go home

[old wyvern]

Covid20?

[quiet sierra]

We don't have many cases of the new strain here

[old wyvern]

oh

[compact perch]

Seems things are getting a bit off topic here.

Please either stick to the topic or move over to #off-topic

[prisma wave]

🥲

[onyx loom]

smh fc

[regal gale]

What kind of nonsense is that

[onyx loom]

🥲

[old wyvern]

🥲

[quiet sierra]

12 year olds and youger

[old wyvern]

Who did that? xD

[quiet sierra]

Because they aren't big spreaders

Oof

[onyx loom]

this is related to the "development" of new "COVID-19" cases in certain "countries"

[compact perch]

Seems things are getting a bit off topic here.

Please either stick to the topic or move over to #off-topic

[pallid gale]

pls

[old wyvern]

Ah cube

[onyx loom]

😔

[quiet sierra]

Didn't see I was in dev

[onyx loom]

always a party pooper

[prisma wave]

Sure

[lunar cypress]

Anyway, if you wanna write a JVM bytecode library, I'd recommend reading through the relevant sections of this https://docs.oracle.com/javase/specs/jvms/se15/html/index.html

mainly 3. and 4., but 2. is also an interesting read

[prisma wave]

o there's an actual spec

Of course there is

Alright I'll have a look over in the morning

Seems helpful

@old wyvern we will also need a Typer at some point 🥶

[lunar cypress]

did you know java generics are turing complete

[weary epoch]

covid 19 isnt cool

[prisma wave]

I know they are, no idea why / how though

It doesn't sound possible

[lunar cypress]

for the longest time I thought this was some crazy C++ and Rust-type problem

[prisma wave]

it sounds like it

[lunar cypress]

there is an academic paper written about it
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1605.05274.pdf

I don't understand much but it's still funny to me

[surreal quarry]

cursed

jesus

why

is this called skript-generalk

[onyx loom]

what the fuck

@compact perch explain urself

right this instance!

[steel heart]

Welcome to the new world

[surreal quarry]

LMFAO

THE whole server is becoming skript

[steel heart]

Yes

[onyx loom]

i also refuse to talk in this channel until the name has been changed back.
please join me in my boycott.

[steel heart]

Execute order 66

[quiet sierra]

Guys april fools is not even close

[steel heart]

It’s treason then

[weary epoch]

nooo

look at the server name

pls

[steel heart]

Skript will become more powerful than either of us

[steel heart]

One reason kotlin is so much better than java is due to extension functions. Say for example i want to be able to colorize a string, in java I would have to do the following

class StringUtils {
    public static String colorize(String message) {
        return ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', message);
    }
}```
which as you can tell is super long and bad and annoying
now check out this. if you were using kotlin
```kotlin
val String.colored = ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', this)```
This is clearly much better and one of the reasons that Kotlin is a better language than java

[surreal quarry]

this is abuse

Skript people smh

[steel heart]

Contra Skript people smd

[onyx loom]

"skript" 🤣 🤣 these "people" think theyre so "cool" with their so-called "language", when in fact it is very stinky 🤮 and will always provide no benefits than using an ACTUAL language such as KOTLIN for creating programs.

[steel heart]

Objection

[obtuse gale]

Extension functions is a really good thing Kotlin has. My main area outside of plugins is Android applications, I have been considering very thoroughly that maybe I should migrate my current standards to the intended language of choice by Google for Android application development

Also x8 multi

[steel heart]

lol that was James message I just copy pasta

[onyx loom]

isnt it funny that Google has chosen Kotlin as their language of choice for Android development? atleast Google can make correct decisions.

[obtuse gale]

I will try my best attempt with as much effort as possible to write and type my messages as pedantic and unnecessarily descriptive as I possibly can

[steel heart]

Lol

[obtuse gale]

It is indeed very hilarious

Ha ha ha

[surreal quarry]

denied

[obtuse gale]

colon plus sign numeric one colon

[steel heart]

Objection against your Contraception

[surreal quarry]

denied again

[obtuse gale]

Also I just noticed that this chat is very purple colored, as all of us three chatting in this channel are Tier Three (forty - forty nine)

[steel heart]

Uncaught exception caused by dodo mindset

[onyx loom]

hey

[obtuse gale]

Kali

[onyx loom]

im salmony

[obtuse gale]

:(

[surreal quarry]

exception was caught due to using kotlin
it was only uncaught in java

[obtuse gale]

You ruined my-

UGH

How am I-

[onyx loom]

sorry 😦

[obtuse gale]

[onyx loom]

just tryna get some xp!

im sure u can respect the grind i am making

[steel heart]

catch (@NotNull final Throwable ignored) {}

[obtuse gale]

Who is not trying that right now?

Well

many are not

:)

[obtuse gale]

catch Object

[onyx loom]

ha! imagine missing out such an opportunity! couldnt be me. these people are not real "grinders"

[steel heart]

Imagine

Couldn’t be me

[surreal quarry]

unfortunately that is from your Java ( 🤮 ) codebase. My kotlin codebase shows it as such

catch (YourStupidException e) { e.handleGracefully() }```

[obtuse gale]

It could most definitely not be you, my dear Conclure

(you/youm)

[steel heart]

Lol

[steel heart]

fun handleGraceFully() {
throw Throwable()
}

[obtuse gale]

For how long has the multiplier been running?

[steel heart]

30 min or smtng I think

[obtuse gale]

This is very unfortunate as I have to wash the dishes soon 😦

[onyx loom]

fun YourStupidException.handleGracefully() = return null```
🌝

[surreal quarry]

you actually dont have access to my code base so there is no way you would know what my handleGracefully method does

[steel heart]

Just unwash them

[steel heart]

Bytecode Manipulation tho

[surreal quarry]

my app has not been deployed yet. you wouldn't have access to it even through the bytecode

[ocean quartz]

yourFunctionThatThrows.use { }

[steel heart]

No I injected the code via quantum entanglement obviously

[onyx loom]

o

[obtuse gale]

With guice

[onyx loom]

hey guys!

i need 400 more xp!

[steel heart]

Okay

[obtuse gale]

Hey guys! What's up everyone!

[onyx loom]

the sky hahahahaahhaahhaahhahahahahaah

[surreal quarry]

unfortunately i will need some proof of that

[steel heart]

Hi what’s your name?

[surreal quarry]

as that is simply not possible

[steel heart]

Objection

[onyx loom]

gotta get those extra chars from the hahas for more xp

[surreal quarry]

denied

[obtuse gale]

Hit that subscribe button and don't forget to click the notification bell!

[steel heart]

Denial of denied

[obtuse gale]

SMASH that like button

[half harness]

ohh my i literally cannot code because its keep not responding 😭

[obtuse gale]

MATT

[ocean quartz]

Still don't think the amount of chars count for the amount of xp

[obtuse gale]

I can finally react in #development

[surreal quarry]

Denied your denial of my denial

[onyx loom]

well see about that matt!

[obtuse gale]

I am

I am happy

;)

[surreal quarry]

nice

[ocean quartz]

Nice, you achieve your life's goal

[onyx loom]

with your logic, there is a reason why you are a lower level than me! you think ur so smart!

[surreal quarry]

reacting in #development is for cool people

[steel heart]

Denial of your denial of my denial of your denial of my contraception of your denial of my objection

[surreal quarry]

rejected

[obtuse gale]

Yeah now I can finally kill myself

[surreal quarry]

rip

[ocean quartz]

Mind if i join?

[steel heart]

Rejection of your rejection

[surreal quarry]

rip x2

[obtuse gale]

Absolutely not

[onyx loom]

suislide

[ocean quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/payaso-eso-el-sad-clown-suicide-jokes-gif-11802936

[surreal quarry]

denied

lmfaoo

[steel heart]

StackOverflowError caused by Kotlin

[onyx loom]

no!

never!

[ocean quartz]

Kotlin would never cause such exceptions!!

[surreal quarry]

thats actually just an alias of the java exception

therefore java caused it

[steel heart]

The subjective arguments are lovely

[onyx loom]

kotlin implicit exception catching
catch(Excption ignored) {} 👍

[steel heart]

throw Throwable()

[surreal quarry]

my arguments are always objective

[steel heart]

subjective tho

[ocean quartz]

You don't even need to catch it, which is even better

[onyx loom]

yes, implicit

thats what it compiles down to tho 🌝

[ocean quartz]

xp

[steel heart]

So why are you running

[onyx loom]

a man of culture

talking nonsense for xp!

[steel heart]

Haha so fun

[onyx loom]

baaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssssss

[obtuse gale]

Serious question, I am indeed interested in getting to use Kotlin for my actual work, anyone in here knows of some rich/good resources / documentation / tutorials or have any methodologies on how to easily transform from Java's such structured syntax to Kotlin?

[onyx loom]

ctrl alt shift k 👍

[steel heart]

You can convert java source code in IntelliJ to kotlin

[onyx loom]

thatll convert ur java code into kotlin, with a margin of error but yeah

[steel heart]

It does a decent job

[obtuse gale]

I would very much appreciate if any person in this chat room were to provide any additional information, even if it is minimal

[surreal quarry]

yea IJ will convert it for you and just start trying to rewrite something in kotllin

[steel heart]

Then kotlin has their own documentation

[ocean quartz]

Tbh one good way is just asking here

[obtuse gale]

So no official crap lol

K k

[ocean quartz]

There is some yeah

[onyx loom]

the kotlin docs are always a good resource for learning the language itself

[surreal quarry]

The way i learned was rewriting a plugin in kotlin and asking here if i didn't know what to do

[onyx loom]

KDocs 👍

[steel heart]

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/reference/

[obtuse gale]

Hmm I see

And read

👁️

[steel heart]

I don’t know if that’s useful

[onyx loom]

it is yea conclure

[obtuse gale]

Those are some big embeds on my phone

[ocean quartz]

Actually wsan't that one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P20npkvcb8

This one is great video to show you a bit of it

[onyx loom]

how to kotlin omg

[ocean quartz]

From the man himself

[onyx loom]

andrey!

[obtuse gale]

Look his face full of joy :D

[surreal quarry]

because kotlin is just so fun

[obtuse gale]

Kotlin will improve my mental stability by 1958%

Right?

[surreal quarry]

yes

[onyx loom]

absolutely

[surreal quarry]

its a guarantee

[obtuse gale]

What about my sex life?

[ocean quartz]

3M%

[onyx loom]

absolutely

[surreal quarry]

all the ladies love kotlin

[onyx loom]

every girl loves a chad that codes in kotlin

[obtuse gale]

3M% of 0 is 0 🥲

[onyx loom]

o

[ocean quartz]

Drowning in pussy atm

[obtuse gale]

LMAO

[onyx loom]

🤣

[surreal quarry]

i have a group of women on rotation hourly actually

its incredible

[steel heart]

Tbf Skript is better than kotlin still

[surreal quarry]

when i used java i had nothing like it

[onyx loom]

me too!

[obtuse gale]

also know as a harem 🌝

[onyx loom]

ur whole life just improves by 1000% tbh

its great

[steel heart]

Then Skript is 9374930373%

[surreal quarry]

all the girls hate skript

they know its got awful syntax and is like cheating

[onyx loom]

surely my image cant get deleted this time in dev general

[obtuse gale]

Professional Certified "Yet Another Markup Language" Developer

[steel heart]

Yeah

Awesome

All my homies likes Skript more than kotlin

[obtuse gale]

Apple hands those out if you ask them nicely

You have to say "please Mr Cook"

[surreal quarry]

you dont have any homies

[obtuse gale]

Tim Crooked

[steel heart]

Not true

😦

[onyx loom]

very true

no ones likes skript

and thats a fact

[steel heart]

Cap

[surreal quarry]

crusade in the skript issues

[onyx loom]

⛔ 🧢

[ocean quartz]

Getting banned from it again? lmao

[onyx loom]

banned from what?

[ocean quartz]

The skript issues

[surreal quarry]

im not banned yet

[onyx loom]

🥲

[obtuse gale]

Except that guy that kept making #794429922454142986 asking for Skript expansions or whatever lmao

[surreal quarry]

lmfao

[ocean quartz]

I think it was aj and a few others that got banned from it

[surreal quarry]

oh lmao

[obtuse gale]

@steel heart 🥲

[surreal quarry]

sorta surprised i didnt

[onyx loom]

ok bed time for me

[surreal quarry]

i approved the PR that deleted every single file

[onyx loom]

good night good night good night good night

[surreal quarry]

and replied +1

[ocean quartz]

Sleep is for the weak

[surreal quarry]

lmao

[onyx loom]

wow matt ☹️

im sorry to let u down

[obtuse gale]

Have a good night Kaliber

[ocean quartz]

Strong people stay awake getting xp

[steel heart]

I still can’t see that emote

Funny guy

[surreal quarry]

stronger people dont do their homework because there is a multiplier

[obtuse gale]

Hilarious

[obtuse gale]

I should be washing the dishes

[surreal quarry]

you are stronger as well

[obtuse gale]

But experience points are more important than clean kitchenware

[surreal quarry]

exactly

[steel heart]

So I got this question

Which I consider to ask

But can I ask the question?

[surreal quarry]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question!

[obtuse gale]

And I have this answer to your question I plan not to provide

[steel heart]

Okay so it’s presumably trivial, but you know when you’re creating javadocs

How tf do you link other docs

[surreal quarry]

no

i dont know

[steel heart]

Aww

@tame crane help me

[surreal quarry]

Thanks for coming to my Q&A

[steel heart]

Bruh

[surreal quarry]

wrong matt?

lmao

[steel heart]

@sleek creek

@ocean quartz

Omg

Why are there so many matts

[surreal quarry]

you're just bad at pinging

[steel heart]

Bruh it’s my phones fault

[surreal quarry]

excuses

[ocean quartz]

Huh?

[steel heart]

Okay so basically how do I link other javadocs instead of having something like
java.concurrent.util.CompletableFuture<@org.jetbrains.annotations.NotNull ? super Void> method();

[obtuse gale]

Fake

Fake news

java.lang.Void

[steel heart]

Oh yeah but do u know how to fix that

[obtuse gale]

You go to cry in the corner of your bathroom

[surreal quarry]

use kotlin

dokka links the stdlib by default

[steel heart]

I hate java

[obtuse gale]

I never had that issue though... not entirely sure what you are talking about

Neither do most javadoc I see out there every day

I get what you are saying but I do not know how to respond to that because I have never encountered such issue in my regular javadoc generation processes

Unless

And I have this answer to your question I plan not to provide

[obtuse gale]

<3

[half harness]

👀

[steel heart]

):

[half harness]

oof

[obtuse gale]

Also why is the first NotNull not a fully qualified path lol

wait

I am indeed blind

Let me unpour the bleach I dropped into them eyes the other day so I can see better

[steel heart]

Lmao

[obtuse gale]

Real question is why an external annotation is not shown with the fully qualified path but the JDK class is

[steel heart]

I have no idea

Javadocs are what they are

[obtuse gale]

Yes

They are JavaDoc

[steel heart]

I have never understood what to say, javadoc singular and plural?

Or what

[obtuse gale]

because

u dodo

[steel heart]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-steve-carrell-unamused-meh-gif-16391448

[obtuse gale]

I am a very funny person indeed

Software genre: Documentation generator

"Software genre"??

what??

genre?????

for real

lmao

[steel heart]

Yes humorous ofc, lol

Never heard that before

[obtuse gale]

Software?

Or genre?

[steel heart]

The combo

[obtuse gale]

yea

gone

multi is gone

k gnight

[steel heart]

Sleep gn hav a great time

[icy quest]

where can one learn to code plugins

[obtuse gale]

First you ought to have a solid understanding of Java outside of plugins

?learn-java

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Start with this -
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/concepts/index.html
Breeze through this skipping stuff that doesn't seem relevant like bitwise operators-
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/nutsandbolts/index.html
and then hit this
https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/javaOO/index.html

They're the first three from this larger thing - https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/java/index.html
Which you should definitely go through overall. But those three should be enough for slightly better understanding of wtf is happening here without feeling like a huge time sink
That one is a small part of this larger site - https://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/index.html
wherein "Essential Java Classes" and "Collections" also have good useful stuff

Requested by: Fefo❤ • learn-java

[obtuse gale]

It isn't something you learn in a day or two, you can and I think it's fine to do plugins while learning Java, but please don't just do plugins not wanting to learn how to work with Java, it's crucial

For plugins: https://bukkit.gamepedia.com/Plugin_Tutorial

A few challenges you can try and solve: https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Challenges

Things you want to take a look at when making plugins: https://bukkit.gamepedia.com/Plugin_Tutorial#onEnable.28.29_and_onDisable.28.29
https://bukkit.gamepedia.com/Plugin_Tutorial#Commands
https://bukkit.gamepedia.com/Event_API_Reference

But please for the love of yourself don't jump straight into plugins and give the links in the embed above a read before this. Again, it isn't something that takes a day or two but it's something you want to spend time in

You can always ask questions in #development for dev support or in here ( #dev-general ) for broader stuff not necessarily related to dev support (general questions)

[wind bolt]

What would you recommend instead of yaml for configuration files?

[quiet depot]

toml perhaps

what's wrong with yaml though?

[obtuse gale]

hocon

[obtuse gale]

it's a bitch

[oblique heath]

If I wanted to run a minecraft server that used a remote directory as the server directory, what would be the best way to share the directory? I'm currently using an NFS server but it feels like there should be a better way

[distant sun]

hocon is not that bad, I kinda like that you have to use {} and []

[obtuse gale]

Hocon is user friendly json lol

[distant sun]

True

Json v2

[obtuse gale]

Json with comments

[ocean quartz]

Hocon is pretty nice, i prefer {} over whatever yaml tries to be

[obtuse gale]

You can still use them in yaml lol

[ocean quartz]

Ik

[obtuse gale]

But it still sucks ass

[quiet depot]

depends what os you're on

for linux, sshfs maybe?

and if on windows, there's a nifty little app called sftp net drive or something

http://www.eldos.com/sftp-net-drive/

ah rip

looks like it's gone

https://web.archive.org/web/20171122094417/http://files.eldos.com/sftpnetdrive3/SftpNetDriveFree.exe

[hot hull]

Was supposed to have a math exam over teams, the profesors internet was so shit we got it rescheduled to tommorrow :p

[quiet depot]

imagine being effected by a pandemic lol

[hot hull]

Imagine remembering what today us

Is*

[quiet depot]

wednesday

[hot hull]

:c

[quiet depot]

is it tuesday for you?

[static zealot]

no

[quiet depot]

no it should be morning ish for u

[hot hull]

No

[quiet depot]

late morning

[static zealot]

yes its 8:37 for him

[hot hull]

It's wednesday yes

Something else tho which you forgot :c

[quiet depot]

o earlier morning then

no clue frosty

[static zealot]

imagine wanting to buy shadow of the tomb raider and not having money for it. couldn't be me

[hot hull]

I sad now

[quiet depot]

should buy rust

instead of tomb raider

rust is good game

[static zealot]

nah multiplier games are for the pro.

[pallid gale]

not even remotely dev related

[static zealot]

not for me

[pallid gale]

smh

[quiet depot]

frosty's fault

he started it

[static zealot]

yes

[quiet depot]

frosty what happens today?

[static zealot]

Frosty

[quiet depot]

the start of school?

[static zealot]

he gets banned

[hot hull]

I'm old as shit today

[quiet depot]

oh it's your birthday?

don't expect me to remember lol

I don't even know my close friends or family's birthdays

[hot hull]

I expected you to remember cause you asked me about it a couple days ago

[quiet depot]

I did?

[hot hull]

Yea lol

[static zealot]

oh lmao his discord status

is Cake boi

[quiet depot]

i don't remember

pls link message

happy birthday btw

[static zealot]

Happy New Year @hot hull

[hot hull]

Thanks ❤️

[hot hull]

was gonna change my name, but no perms kek

hi

oh god

[pallid gale]

offtopic pls

[old wyvern]

https://youtu.be/dX480fsk510

[lunar cypress]

Someone doesn't play tekken

[oblique heath]

i looked into it, apparently nfs is actually faster than sshfs 🥲

[distant sun]

44 years of computer knowledge and takes a minecraft course ??

[quiet depot]

tbh after a year or so, increased experience stops equating to increased skill

so it's perfectly realistic for someone who has 44 years of experience, to need to watch a basic course

[hot hull]

Especially if you don't refresh that experience regularly

[distant sun]

I just don't see why would you buy a 200$ minecraft course when you most likely know the basics or so

[hot hull]

Oh god I didn't even see that

[lunar cypress]

do you think he writes some of these himself?

[distant sun]

Think or know for sure?

[lunar cypress]

think

unless you do know lol

[distant sun]

nah xd

but I hope some of them are fake

his "foundation" lib uses lombok 🤢

Remain#spawnItem @deprecated use {@link EntityUtil#dropItem(Location, ItemStack, Consumer)}

    public static Item dropItem(Location location, ItemStack item, Consumer<Item> modifier) {
        return Remain.spawnItem(location, item, modifier);
    }```
👍

[prisma wave]

44 years of experience???????

been programming since 1977 and they doesn't know OOP?

[hot hull]

And I oop

[distant sun]

c programmer @prisma wave

[prisma wave]

44 years of C

🥶

[lunar cypress]

poor guy

[prisma wave]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/154315960933fe08bbaf774e636ea0bcc31d29f

[stuck harbor]

boop

[prisma wave]

yo

[regal gale]

It's only 6pm, still gotta eat dinner

[prisma wave]

oof that time went so fast

didnt have time to optimise the size

[stuck harbor]

lol

still smaller than mine tho

[prisma wave]

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1543182bd6bcf999ee3e1d8ae669ec97743e5f7

anything's smaller than java 🙃

[stuck harbor]

haha yeah lol

i hope its reverse this time

[prisma wave]

reverse is fun

o hey cube

[pallid gale]

no idea what im doing

[prisma wave]

damn its getting busy in here

[old wyvern]

oi

[prisma wave]

who's PEPEpoopoo

lol

[pallid gale]

this is build battle right?

[prisma wave]

sure

close enough

[pallid gale]

can I use photoshop?

[old wyvern]

nah, only gimp

[pallid gale]

shit

need to download

[old wyvern]

fast!

[prisma wave]

let's go

yay reverse

[stuck harbor]

hell yeah

hmmmmm

[prisma wave]

hmm indeed

[stuck harbor]

the heck

why is 5 false tho

[prisma wave]

not sure

ohh

[stuck harbor]

done

oops

wait no

awwwww

[pallid gale]

i dont like maths

[stuck harbor]

40% yeet

[oblique heath]

ez

[prisma wave]

o

[stuck harbor]

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