dev-general

[surreal quarry]

we need to prove it

[half harness]

lol

[hot hull]

I am a professional web dev now as well

[steel heart]

React ftw

[hot hull]

I sure hope not

You ping me one more time and I block u

[steel heart]

@hot hull hi dodo

Why not

Idk

He is a true dodo

[hot hull]

Idk what that means

[lunar cypress]

You're an extinct species

[prisma wave]

feelsbad

[hot hull]

I wish I were extinct

[lunar cypress]

Im having a seizure
https://www.quora.com/Are-there-programming-languages-that-cause-the-programmer-to-become-less-intelligent-over-time/answer/Jan-Meww

[onyx loom]

YES

this is true

🥲

[stuck harbor]

hehe

[onyx loom]

we dont talk about clojure in the next sentence tho

[lunar cypress]

This person can't be serious

[onyx loom]

no its correct

bruh

[stuck harbor]

rude

[onyx loom]

just look at java, a language with much verbosity, adopted by nonintellectual people 🥲

[static zealot]

f u

[onyx loom]

are u ok?

[stuck harbor]

so many whitespaces

my dude, u so rude

[onyx loom]

i love the way this guy has a phd too johnny

but then hes saying shit like this

[stuck harbor]

'phd'

in what tho

[onyx loom]

good question

[stuck harbor]

astrology?

[onyx loom]

o nvm 🤣

[lunar cypress]

This reminds me of one of my favourite nonsense quora answers I've seen

[onyx loom]

"PHD" 🤣

[lunar cypress]

Wait lemme find

https://www.quora.com/Are-there-programming-languages-that-cause-the-programmer-to-become-less-intelligent-over-time/answer/Jan-Meww

[stuck harbor]

excellence and contentment, school of life?

the fu

[lunar cypress]

WAIT

[stuck harbor]

oohhhh

its

ah

[onyx loom]

yes, very good phd 🙃

[lunar cypress]

No that's not the one lol

[stuck harbor]

I've been misdirected

[lunar cypress]

https://qr.ae/pNKHYX

Here

[onyx loom]

jesus thats a wall of text

ok

[prisma wave]

u got the whole squad laughing

[tranquil crane]

bruh

[prisma wave]

u will not be missed

[lunar cypress]

Mate i dont know what you expect other than getting blocked by literally everyone here

[tranquil crane]

I come in here to drop a hot new mixtape made of rainbows and get interrupted by a massive wall of spaces

@obtuse gale 👀
https://gyazo.com/0f380008b37d6bba0b63e424cf4c65fb

[prisma wave]

lmao

https://gyazo.com/0f380008b37d6bba0b63e424cf4c65fb

embed time 🙂

you're very funny

[static zealot]

this joke is fucking consumed. so please stop

me and @obtuse gale destroyed people's life

get the fuck out dude

@distant sun

ban this dude

[half harness]

oh

what character is that?

I thought

[loud gyro]

The 'everyone' mention is disabled so you can't annoy people.

[static zealot]

just block him

https://i.imgur.com/dAxromO.png

[loud gyro]

The 'everyone' mention is disabled so you can't annoy people.

[onyx loom]

what the fuck did i just read johnny

[half harness]

thx

[static zealot]

blocking him is so nice xD

[stuck harbor]

omg yeah

[ripe zinc]

damn bro u got the whole squad laughing

[stuck harbor]

so clean

[prisma wave]

@distant sun

[onyx loom]

nice

[static zealot]

ok he gone

thanks jesus had to ping 3 trusted. I'm becoming even more anyoing xD

[onyx loom]

bruh that quora page, wtf johnny

[lunar cypress]

Ikr

[onyx loom]

assembly is easier than PYTHON??????

[stuck harbor]

yeah defo

[onyx loom]

'python has a lot of libraries so python hard to learn' WHAT>????

[stuck harbor]

the fuck

[distant sun]

Lol

[stuck harbor]

this dude insane

[distant sun]

Quora is a weird place

[onyx loom]

very

omg

[lunar cypress]

What is a list of programming languages ordered from easiest to hardest to learn?

Well, there are different opinions about this, but mine is objectively correct. I have worked in the industry for many years and have a really good overview of what's easy and what's hard.

1. ALGOL - A classic. They used it in the 60s and in the 60s they were all beginners. Great language.
2. C - A very modern language, strips away some of the difficulties of prior assembly languages. I still don't really know what the fuck a pointer is.
3. Haskell - Functional languages are the new trend, I've heard. Haskell must be a part of that, then. Cool type system, easy to understand for beginners.
4. PHP - I don't know. Fuck off.
5. Common Lisp - yes, that's right. Common Lisp.
6. Python - I haven't actually used it, but it's probably hard. I mean, it has objects and shit.
7. ????
8. JavaScript - I'm scared of this language. It is impossible to learn programming by starting with JavaScript.
9. Ancient Sanskrit - It has a little something for everyone, though it can be quite frustrating to learn. Cool programming concepts though.
10. I've run out of ideas.

Hope that was helpful, don't forget to leave a like.

[prisma wave]

HASKELL

[distant sun]

Dont forget to leave a report

[onyx loom]

im still baffled on how this man thinks assembly is the 3rd easiest language

[prisma wave]

deluded

[onyx loom]

in what world is a low level language ever easy to learn?

[prisma wave]

machine code is easier

assembly is too complicated

[onyx loom]

🥲

[prisma wave]

wtf is mov supposed to mean?

[onyx loom]

#1 BASIC
#2 machine code
#3 assembly
#4 python
🥲

[tranquil crane]

er

[obtuse gale]

Bruh

Barry deleted my message

[tranquil crane]

o

[obtuse gale]

That's so dope

The colors

[tranquil crane]

legend has it it's too colorful

[prisma wave]

impossible

[onyx loom]

ive figured out the secret to get more upvotes in showcase

just post rgb

[obtuse gale]

[static zealot]

ugh

[tranquil crane]

As a person who has only posted things related to rgb colors, I can confirm

[prisma wave]

(ns Solution(:gen-class))
(defn -main [& _] (println(apply str(concat(clojure.string/replace(str(* 2(reduce +(map #(Integer/parseInt(str %))(read-line)))))#"[13579]" "@")" thnx tanana"))))
``` @lunar cypress thoughts?

pretty readable imo

[tranquil crane]

Just search #in:showcase #from:Nicole#0001 and you'll find magical things

[onyx loom]

ah yes, very readable

[prisma wave]

i wish clojure had a sum function

(reduce + just isn't the same 😔

[tranquil crane]

what the hell is that satan spawn of code

[ocean quartz]

Ghost pinged 😡

[onyx loom]

annoying kiddo

banned now 🙂

[ocean quartz]

Nice

[prisma wave]

pls don't disrespect clojure

thank you

[tranquil crane]

clojure bad

[ocean quartz]

Agree

Gojure better

[prisma wave]

^

[tranquil crane]

what the heck is the map syntax in clojure and why is it backwards

oh I just got the ability to post pictures

terrible

[onyx loom]

anything related to clojure is an abomination

[tranquil crane]

I have been promoted to blue

[lunar cypress]

"backwards" what

[onyx loom]

yes tier 2 pog

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, lisps confuse me, for example why :a 1 instead of a : 1

[tranquil crane]

:a 1 instead of a: 1

[lunar cypress]

bruh that's not what that means

[tranquil crane]

it's like the whole language has a speech impediment or something

[prisma wave]

that's not backwards

[onyx loom]

lithp

[lunar cypress]

:a is a keyword, it's an own type

[tranquil crane]

I'm getting flashbacks to lisp from reading this syntax guide

I'm outta here

[onyx loom]

great idea

[lunar cypress]

how surprising

considering it's a lisp

[tranquil crane]

crazy

[lunar cypress]

every day clash of code code

shortest?

[prisma wave]

yep

came third

[surreal quarry]

lmfao

[fervent python]

what level do I need to be able to change my nick

[lunar cypress]

I think I'll write a blog entry about the 🌠 magical 🌠 experience of writing Spigot plugins with clojure

[surreal quarry]

you need to nitro boost

[fervent python]

bruh

I dont have nitro

😔

[obtuse gale]

[lunar cypress]

don't worry we will rise up against this server administration eventually

I want my emotes

you want your nickname

we all want something

[static zealot]

and ya'll will get something. banned :kek:

[frigid badge]

lmao

[fervent python]

tsk tsk

[weary epoch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAlSjtxy5ak

[prisma wave]

yes! i can provide a testimonial if you want

[weary epoch]

so true

[surreal quarry]

LMFAO

java 7

[weary epoch]

"old ass library from 1987"

[surreal quarry]

import various.shit.*;

[lunar cypress]

sure

[weary epoch]

and there we go we created minecraft

[lunar cypress]

My dad wants me to make a proper blog for him and I thought I might use this to try out some static site generators

[prisma wave]

I recommend Ghost

[lunar cypress]

Do you have any experience with those? So far I've looked at Jekyll (probably the most popular one), but I'm entirely new to the Ruby ecosystem and it seems a little too complex for my needs

[prisma wave]

oh static only

[lunar cypress]

And now I've peeked at cryogen

[weary epoch]

how easy is it to create a website

[lunar cypress]

yeah

[prisma wave]

I've heard jekyll is good

[stuck harbor]

very

[weary epoch]

okay

[lunar cypress]

depends on your idea of website

[surreal quarry]

its more difficult to make a good website

[weary epoch]

cause i want to create the first MC TAS speedrun leaderboard website

[surreal quarry]

thats gonna be pretty hard lol

[winter iron]

long day

[stuck harbor]

just make a category on speedrun.net tho

[weary epoch]

there is thousands of people that have been waiting for it

[weary epoch]

TAS is banned on there

[lunar cypress]

what's ghost exactly

[stuck harbor]

oh really?

also that would be speedrun.com i always get that wrong

[weary epoch]

yeah i guessed so

there is no TAS on speedrun.com

[surreal quarry]

you can host their blog on your server and its basically all ready to go

[prisma wave]

a blogging tool

[weary epoch]

so i want to create a website for that

[prisma wave]

it's what I use

[weary epoch]

i already have myself a domain

i just need to make it

[stuck harbor]

'just'

[surreal quarry]

@weary epoch if you have no web dev experience, its gonna be very hard

[weary epoch]

ig so

but it seems pretty simple

[surreal quarry]

you will need a backend to store data, maybe connections to other places depending on where the data is from, etc

[weary epoch]

a leaderboard and a submit button

and a verifier panel

[lunar cypress]

ah, hmm. I'll take a look, though I wanted to try and not use some other service

[prisma wave]

you can self host

[lunar cypress]

ok I'm not really interested in this entire profit section

[stuck harbor]

i would use a LEMP stack

cause i always recommend LEMP stacks

[lunar cypress]

Lisp, Elm, Malbolge, PHP, got it

[stuck harbor]

runs

[surreal quarry]

Lisp, Elara, Malbolge, PHP

[stuck harbor]

but srsly the E stands for nginx what

[prisma wave]

profit section?

[stuck harbor]

google ads

everywhere

[lunar cypress]

unless I'm on the wrong website, ghost seems to be all about business and growth and making your line go up

also paid subscription service

[stuck harbor]

ur line must always go up

[prisma wave]

yeah, i just use it as a blogging tool

because it's by far the nicest looking

[stuck harbor]

wordpress tho

[prisma wave]

and it's still FOSS so idm about a subscription

[stuck harbor]

or medium

[lunar cypress]

ew

[prisma wave]

medium sucks ass

wordpress is bloated

[stuck harbor]

gohugo.io then

it takes in .md files

[lunar cypress]

So does every static site generator lul

what does ghost do exactly when you host it yourself

[stuck harbor]

but hugo is fun

[prisma wave]

as far as I know, it's just a blog

most of the "growth" thing is part of the paid plan

I'd show an example but I broke my install ages ago and cba to fix it lol

[surreal quarry]

theres an example

[lunar cypress]

Yeah ok I think I'll try out http://cryogenweb.org/ first

[surreal quarry]

then you can schedule it or post instantly, etc

[half harness]

Clojure 👀

[prisma wave]

Clojure 👀

[lunar cypress]

not looking for much

man lmao

[prisma wave]

I wanna learn F#

I used it in clash and it was really nice

yes

[half harness]

:DDDDD

[onyx loom]

damn what happened to get such a commendation from the man himself

[half harness]

lol

[prisma wave]

lmao

[half harness]

aw im in ||another|| discord and they be debating if tabs or spaces are better for indenting

to the point of capital letters

[onyx loom]

❓

[half harness]

why is everyone debating/arguing ;-;

[onyx loom]

why is that even a debate

[half harness]

idk

🤣

🤔

[prisma wave]

He sounds like good staff

[half harness]

lol

[prisma wave]

I bet he wouldn't delete my showcase posts

[half harness]

👀

oof

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Use codeblocks for formatting code or configuration files:
```<language name>
<your code here>
```

For example:
```yaml
test:

• “hi”
• “there”
  ```

Produces:

test:
- “hi”
- “there”```

Requested by: dkim19375 • codeblocks

[half harness]

@prisma wave

😠

[prisma wave]

No

[half harness]

uh oh they seem to be starting again

[prisma wave]

invite me

[half harness]

nO

No

never

[ocean quartz]

Yall still on that discord?

[half harness]

🤣

[prisma wave]

Invite me or else

I'll retract my statement

[half harness]

please no

[onyx loom]

oh yea if this is cortex then i left ages ago

[half harness]

no its not cortex

[prisma wave]

I don't think it is

[half harness]

its different

but pls

noo

😦

I took out names for a reAsOn

[steel heart]

also

val a, b, c
``` possible?

[prisma wave]

invite me

[half harness]

also they be talking in #javacord

[ocean quartz]

Idk why people throw shit on every other language that they don't know lol

[prisma wave]

Don't think so

[steel heart]

fuck

[prisma wave]

Yeah it's very immature. You're only allowed to trash talk clojure if you know it

[steel heart]

I barely know it

[onyx loom]

i feel attacked in this statement

i KNOW clojure

at its DISGUSTING

[prisma wave]

LIAR

[onyx loom]

nope 😃

[ocean quartz]

I mean i was joking earlier, i don't mind clojure

[last walrus]

someone sell me the autosell source code i need to make the plugin not lag

[static zealot]

dkim .. you could;ve just DMed

[prisma wave]

Smh dkim DM it

[static zealot]

there is no source code. only an API

[onyx loom]

matt, uve fallen to the dark side 😔

[steel heart]

(defn process [1, 2] println)

or smtng isnt it?

[last walrus]

guess im decompiling it then

[prisma wave]

You can find it at clojure.org/docs

[ocean quartz]

Not minding and liking it is different xD

[prisma wave]

What

[onyx loom]

no

ur meant to despise it with a passion

[steel heart]

wait let me retype

[onyx loom]

anything else and uve fallen to the dark side

[prisma wave]

how immature

Imo, unironically the only "bad language" is PHP

And maybe some of the weird ancient ones

[stuck harbor]

lo

lo

lol

oops

[steel heart]

"its good, if u say its bad its cuz u cant program in it"

[onyx loom]

edit button exists

[stuck harbor]

nah

[onyx loom]

ok

[prisma wave]

ol

Ol

Lil

Lol

[half harness]

wut

[prisma wave]

What do you think of clojure dkim

[steel heart]

So in kotlin do we have a way to declare an init block?

or just constructors?

[prisma wave]

init {
}```

[static zealot]

init

[steel heart]

oh rly that simple?

[half harness]

uh

😬

[prisma wave]

Answer the question

[half harness]

java ftw

[static zealot]

I think of clojure. yes

[prisma wave]

Good

Depends on the context

[old wyvern]

Try at use right

Throw

[prisma wave]

Yeah I'd do try catch

Lol

[half harness]

try and catch and try and catch and try and catch and try and catch and try and catch and throw

[old wyvern]

try should be where you finally want to handle

Probably best to keep it outside your save function

[static zealot]

whoever invented hcaptcha deserves nothing but pain

[prisma wave]

I'd do try catch just because usually you don't care about handling it

[half harness]

anyone want invite

[old wyvern]

To?

[prisma wave]

yes

[half harness]

is void a class?

[old wyvern]

Void is

[half harness]

how about int

[prisma wave]

no

They're primitives

[old wyvern]

There is a int.class

[half harness]

someone saying it is

[prisma wave]

Invite me

Immediately

[half harness]

ok

[old wyvern]

Inv me too

I wanna see

[steel heart]

@half harness inv me if u still r thre

[half harness]

oh

bm is already

chrushing

them

my discord too laggy

to send invites to everyone

[onyx loom]

i will turn my dms on for this

@half harness dm

[half harness]

uh

they're literally done

but

there u go

they're onto another argument now

more like a debate

[static zealot]

wait IIJ has option to decompile jars?

[old wyvern]

Javacord channel

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[static zealot]

oh

I've been using JD-Gui

[stuck harbor]

i remember scouring for an eclipse plugin to do it

now its easy

[half harness]

lol javacord channel

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its not as big as the other one

which is why I was reluctant to invite

lol

[static zealot]

wait where? can't find it. some say plugin: Bytecode Viewer but can't find any named that and I find 4 others but idk which to trust

[onyx loom]

kek

[stuck harbor]

hmwhat

[surreal quarry]

inv me

are we going on another crusade?

[static zealot]

wait where?

[static zealot]

send link

[stuck harbor]

yeet an invite to me if ya have the space

[static zealot]

we're going to concure them

[onyx loom]

this is boring honestly

[onyx loom]

no

[surreal quarry]

damn

thats not fun

[onyx loom]

not at all

[prisma wave]

this calin fella is odd

[static zealot]

someone please help me. how do I decompile jar in iij? xD

[prisma wave]

double click it

[steel heart]

Why?

He seems unusually natural

[prisma wave]

I can't really explain it

There's just something weird about him

He also thought primitives were classes which is .... odd

[static zealot]

spoilers: he's a she. xD

[onyx loom]

this is one weird ass conversation

[prisma wave]

ikr

[onyx loom]

how is it hard to understand void / null?

[prisma wave]

they 🙂

[steel heart]

oo

[onyx loom]

theyre 2 completely different things

[prisma wave]

apparently very hard

[steel heart]

But int[].class tho (:

[half harness]

lol

doesn't know difference either

[static zealot]

can I get link please?

thanks

[onyx loom]

🙄

ur not missing anything

[half harness]

^

its very boring

sorry 😦

[static zealot]

o

https://i.imgur.com/BgEDcQu.png

[onyx loom]

that one guy saying u should use null instead of void is hurting my brain

im out of there kek

[half harness]

woah u can make apps with java?!

[onyx loom]

yes?

[oak raft]

...?

[half harness]

o

i didn't know

[onyx loom]

why would u not be able to lol

altho, if its for android, kotlin 🥲

[oak raft]

im having trouble choosing what I wanna focus on, mc plugins or game development 😦

[onyx loom]

both

if u work on both at the same time and start procrastinating, switch to the other project for productivity

[ocean quartz]

Or just procrastinate on both, like i do

[tranquil crane]

what is that hot garbage code in #showcase and why would anyone want that

[stuck harbor]

😦 rude

[onyx loom]

rude

its glojure

wait no

glorojure

[surreal quarry]

imagine downvoting that

[long shore]

Hello i am haveing a certain issue

https://gyazo.com/31f0e2586a72856fe24f7abf9a78e8d0

Could anyone assist me

[surreal quarry]

if its a deluxe tags thing ask in #general-plugins #general-plugins-2

[stuck harbor]

i hate it when i have a seperate commit just to fix 1 spelling error

big reeeee

[obtuse gale]

lol I love it

just comment "woops"

or "very important fix"

[stuck harbor]

haha yes

[distant sun]

And xml 🤢

[half harness]

wut

[prisma wave]

say that to my face

It's Gojurust

Obviously

[old wyvern]

https://youtu.be/0H6n1aK0ZSo

[prisma wave]

Functional programming focuses on immutability, recursion, first class functions and purity
If you've used Java Streams, they're heavily inspired by functional programming
I don't know too much about FP but I'm trying to learn a lot about it, it seems pretty interesting
CalinToday at 20:12
I don't really understand the difference.
Isn't that something you can ALREADY do?
Brister MittenToday at 20:12
Wdym?
CalinToday at 20:13
Immutability, recursion and shit.
You can already do that.
Brister MittenToday at 20:13
Oh yeah
The other key difference is that Functional languages are usually declarative rather than imperative
You focus more on saying what to do, rather than how to do it

sorry wrong channel

[onyx loom]

nono carry on

[prisma wave]

if you insist

fun functionWithSideEffects() {
println("blah blah blah")
}

This doesn't return any explicit value, so the compiler infers it to return Unit
so you can do stuff like
val unit = functionWithSideEffects()
and it works fine

Yeah, the type system is contract based. I don't have a great example at the moment since we've not finalised the syntax, but essentially you can program to types' contracts.
So for example
< T { plus(T) => T } >
let func(T blah, T other) => blah.plus(other)

This function accepts any type T which defines the method plus(T) => T
[19:30]
It's essentially duck typing, but statically and strongly typed
[19:30]
Kinda difficult to explain

[onyx loom]

nice xp

[prisma wave]

thanks

[half harness]

wut

[prisma wave]

nothing

[half harness]

ok

i want xp 😭

[steel heart]

lombok good

[hallow crane]

i used to think lombok was noob tool

then I just realized it saved time

[steel heart]

wait u actually like it?

[hallow crane]

I used to

[steel heart]

I was just sarcastic

[hallow crane]

I dont use it anymore

[steel heart]

ah well

[hallow crane]

it legit does save time but there are actually gud options out there

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Why is Lombok bad?

• It's a compiler hack - the Java compiler isn't designed to modify code, so it can cause difficult to debug errors, or worse
• It requires an IDE plugin, so unless you've properly configured Maven, Gradle and your IDE, you'll get hundreds of compilation errors. This process takes time too, it's not easy
• Lombok'd code won't show in Javadocs
• The code generation is often unpredictable and difficult to debug, and often you'll have to do it "the hard way" anyway
• Java is supposed to be explicit, Lombok hides a lot of key functionality into a subtle annotation which can be easy to miss
• While IDEs support it with a plugin, it's usually more difficult to find specific things, like usages of a getter because they don't exist in the source code
• Finally, Lombok'd bytecode doesn't match the source code, so it causes a pretty annoying warning in IntelliJ

Requested by: dkim19375 • plsnolombok

[half harness]

lol

idek what lombok is

[hallow crane]

yeah thats why... I don't use it

[steel heart]

It complicates your code sort of

but well Ig its a good tool

altho it comes with more cons and pros

[prisma wave]

Lombok is the worst thing to ever be invented

[hallow crane]

its good if ur doing a small project whree it doesnt matter

[onyx loom]

kotlin

[steel heart]

and at the end it doesnt provide any meaningful value

[hallow crane]

but if you're making a large scalable project then nno no

i dont use kotlin because I like looking cool

[steel heart]

yes good reason

[hallow crane]

longer code makes u look smart

[onyx loom]

😂

[half harness]

🤣

[steel heart]

ye I guess that's somewhat true

[onyx loom]

i would argue kotlin makes u cooler 😎

[half harness]

time to ditch util methods

[steel heart]

arguably julia is nicer than kotlin

[obtuse gale]

Eclipse 🌚

[half harness]

NetBeans

[steel heart]

altho dynamically typed (julia)

[onyx loom]

oo tough decision

[steel heart]

which sucks

[hallow crane]

DrJava

[prisma wave]

Julia is beautiful

it's amazingly fast too

[steel heart]

yeah

but at the cost of being dynamically typed which if I understood correctly isn't nice

or like enforcing it

[ocean quartz]

Everyone goes through the lombok phase at some point

[half harness]

How do you guys like people that do this: Request plugins for some money, then distribute them (paid or free)

note that I don't do this because I can code myself 🙂

[prisma wave]

what

[steel heart]

hmph

[ocean quartz]

Depending on the agreement of the request, that's illegal

[prisma wave]

Julia dynamic typing is fine - it still has type checking, doesn't compromise on speed, etc

[half harness]

basically someone requests something in #794429922454142986 then distributes

[steel heart]

oh then allg I guess

[old wyvern]

Depends on the pay and if they make that explicit

[half harness]

pay: let's say a normal pay for #794429922454142986
explicit: yes

also what about explicit: no

just curious on ur guys thoughts

[ocean quartz]

Like i said, depends on the "contract" with the client

[prisma wave]

My terms are usually "you can do whatever you want with it as long as you credit me"

But it depends on the person

[steel heart]

Graal or nashorn?

[ocean quartz]

For example i've done a request where the client purposefully asked me to publish the plugin for free

[half harness]

👀

[prisma wave]

Well Graal isn't deprecated

[hallow crane]

not so fun when you get in legal trouble for violating contract terms

[prisma wave]

Nashorn is

[steel heart]

why?

[prisma wave]

idk tbh

[half harness]

u or they publish?

[prisma wave]

Probably because it's slow

[ocean quartz]

Me

[half harness]

oh

what about them

if they credited you

[steel heart]

ah

[ocean quartz]

I don't care

[half harness]

ok

[steel heart]

fuck I have to download graal as a runtime dependency probably

[half harness]

how about paid plugin?

[steel heart]

I hate this

[ocean quartz]

Don't really care either

[half harness]

ok

wait but how could u get into legal trouble

[steel heart]

are free plugins allowed to have runtime dependencies or like download at runtime?

[half harness]

i mean, its just discord

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[steel heart]

Lets go babee

[prisma wave]

Might as well use nashorn or shade a different JS engine then

[ocean quartz]

Every software has a license, even if it was just on discord

It's intellectual property

[half harness]

how do I add a license?

[stuck harbor]

GNU GPL 3.0 the best

[hallow crane]

lol
WTFPL

[half harness]

because if I put it in the jar then they can just remove

[hallow crane]

most of my projects are WTFPL

[half harness]

;-;

[ocean quartz]

MIT or WTFPL

[half harness]

so there would be no proof that I own

[stuck harbor]

MIT is also good

[hallow crane]

if u have the project files

idk

or just common sense

that u own it

[half harness]

but what if its not obfuscated...

they can decompile

[hallow crane]

like your name is in it

your package

[half harness]

oh

they can rebuild tho

[hallow crane]

file data that says it was on your pc

[ocean quartz]

Decompiled code will never look the same

[obtuse gale]

That's why you make it open source

[hallow crane]

true, just provide the original source

[ocean quartz]

^

[steel heart]

hmm well I'm considering adding support for

TOML
HOCON
JSON
YAML

JavaScript
Skript

XML
Kotlin DSL thing (Idk what it's called but file extension is .kts)
Groovy

so probably need to download and remap at runtime :[

[half harness]

oh

[onyx loom]

they can decompile it anyway lol

[hallow crane]

or that, make it open source / Do What the Fuck You Want to Public License

[half harness]

that's a pretty good reason

to make open source

[onyx loom]

i swear weve had this discussion before on why obfuscation is bad dkim

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[ocean quartz]

There are only good reasons to OS

[half harness]

but do I just add the LICENSE file in github?

[stuck harbor]

yeah

[half harness]

but do I just add the LICENSE file in github?
nothing else?

[onyx loom]

only bad reasons to obfuscate

[stuck harbor]

I would also put it in every class in the file

[half harness]

how

like

copy and paste

[ocean quartz]

You can have license inside the jar

[half harness]

the entire thing

[prisma wave]

What

[hallow crane]

thats my rationalization for pirating plugins 🤗

[half harness]

do I put the entire license?

[steel heart]

ye

[ocean quartz]

But none of that matters, if t he code is yours it's violation of your license (depending on the license)

[half harness]

in resources folder?

[steel heart]

like for custom stuff

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[half harness]

thx

what's best license

:))

[ocean quartz]

Also @prisma wave an interesting question, a Kotlin class, let's say just a normal class declaration, no variables or anything
If you compile it, it would in theory run in JVM without needing the std lib right?

[ocean quartz]

MIT or WTFPL

[prisma wave]

Probably

[ocean quartz]

time to test

[onyx loom]

omg uve figured it out! no more 1.5mb jars! no more shading!

[steel heart]

HTML or XML or XHTML?

[stuck harbor]

xml

[half harness]

._.

[stuck harbor]

haha

[steel heart]

[onyx loom]

damn thats crazy

[ocean quartz]

My question is specifically for PDM actually, since let's say you need to download the std lib at run time it'd mean that you would need to run std portions of the code, so it would probably NCDFE

[ocean quartz]

Yes that's the entire point of the lincese lol

[obtuse gale]

[half harness]

Copyright <YEAR> <COPYRIGHT HOLDER>

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE.
```👀

[prisma wave]

That's why PDM is written in java

It's supposed to be dependency free

[half harness]

no -_-

but that license is short

compared to like GNU

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, but let's say it have it download on load, and let's say I have a constant that has std lib stuff, it would fail, since would be called before downloading
So might be safer to always include it in the jar and pdm the rest

[prisma wave]

Possibly

[ocean quartz]

Dkim, you seem to worry a lot about people getting your code and using, just remember, no one really cares about our shitty code lol

[half harness]

lol

[prisma wave]

That's arguably just a symptom of doing too much in the main class though

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[half harness]

good point

very good point

time to open source all my code

😛

[onyx loom]

YES

thats the spirit

[half harness]

lmao

btw how does essentials command system work?

[ocean quartz]

Wdym?

[prisma wave]

onCommabd

command.run()

returne true

[onyx loom]

mf-cmd 😔

[half harness]

mf-cmd is wayy to complicated

plus all you do to make a command is just register and code the command ;-;

[prisma wave]

boilerplate

[half harness]

matt be typing for hours

[stuck harbor]

do plugins written in java 11 work on java 8 servers?

[obtuse gale]

no

unless you compile for java 8 and avoid java 11 features lol

[ocean quartz]

Ah yes because this

@Default
public void command(Player player, Player target) {
  player.sendMessage(target.name());
}

Is totally more complicated than lol

@Override
public boolean onCommand(CommandSender sender, Command command, String label, String[] args) {
  if ((sender instanceof Player)) return true;
  if (args.length < 1 || args.length > 1) return true;
  Player player = (Player) sender;
  Player target = Bukkit.getPlayer(args[0]);
  player.sendMessage(target.name());
  return true;
}

[stuck harbor]

but then why would u write in java 11

[prisma wave]

Too confusing!!

[prisma wave]

Because it's good

[stuck harbor]

but

that means it wont work on java 8 servers

[obtuse gale]

because java 8 is as old as 1.8

[old wyvern]

ah yes

xD

[hallow crane]

are the java 11 lambda switch case things any good?

[stuck harbor]

yeet

[hallow crane]

-> thingy

[prisma wave]

Is that 11?

[hallow crane]

idk

new

[stuck harbor]

i thought that was 8

[prisma wave]

I thought it was 14 or something

[hallow crane]

Im still on 8

[prisma wave]

rip

15 is great

[hallow crane]

I am on 8 only bc minecraft wont run on >8 on my machine

Ubuntu 20.04 feature, not a bug

[old wyvern]

12*

[prisma wave]

Minecraft 1.8?

[hallow crane]

java 8

[prisma wave]

That only works on 8

ik

[old wyvern]

Java SE 12 introduced switch expressions

[hallow crane]

wait what

1.8 only runs on 8

[prisma wave]

But newer MC versions should work with Java 9+

Yeah

[hallow crane]

was it not recompiled for 9+

bruh

[prisma wave]

The client and BuildTools at least breaks on J8*

[hallow crane]

BRUH

IDIOTS

anyway

thats why im on 8

[prisma wave]

Ah my bad, close enough tho

[hallow crane]

bc I have to switch versions for anything higher

[old wyvern]

mhm

[prisma wave]

You can't complain then

[hallow crane]

i can complain

I am rn

[prisma wave]

If you wanna use legacy MC versions then you get legacy java versions too

[hallow crane]

thats their fault

mojang dum

simply refactor&recompile

[half harness]

but what if I want custom help menu or console support ;-;

[hallow crane]

u get that bro

[prisma wave]

Mojang smart for not supporting legacy versions

[hallow crane]

why is that smart

[prisma wave]

"legacy"

[ocean quartz]

Then do a custom help menu lol
And Player player -> player only
CommandSender sender -> console and player
ConsoleCommandSender console -> console only

[hallow crane]

ok ok ok

file

fine*

but

people still use it

[prisma wave]

That's their problem

[hallow crane]

if they cant make the 1.16 combat good then people are gonna want to use 1.8

im pretty sure thats the only reason people use 1.8 is for pvp

[prisma wave]

The world would literally be a utopia if people weren't still using 1.8

[hallow crane]

and I usually end up coding a shit ton of kitpvps plugins and stuff for 1.8

thats true I wouldn't have to worry about the buggy 1.16+ chat api for legacy clients

thats why my chat plugin broke because ppl on 1.8 reporting it for not being supported

[prisma wave]

1.16 API is better than 1.8

[obtuse gale]

but BM

my cannon jars

[prisma wave]

Adventure plug incoming

Oh

Yes

Cannon jars are very important!

[fresh mural]

Hey everyone

[prisma wave]

Yo

[obtuse gale]

My cannon jars that break every API method there is and cost me $5000

[fresh mural]

Who's read this book?

[obtuse gale]

They are WORTH IT

[prisma wave]

Cannons are 8% faster!!!

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[obtuse gale]

Why won't YOUR plugin work on MY CUSTOM MADE jar

[hallow crane]

dude I used adventure

and it dont work right

[fresh mural]

nvm

[obtuse gale]

I only changed the revision

[hallow crane]

its buggy as hell in 1.16

[obtuse gale]

your plugin is crap

make it work

[hallow crane]

I liked it better when it was just called the old thing

[obtuse gale]

now

[hallow crane]

what was it?

minimessage

adventure runined my day

[prisma wave]

Anyway @fresh mural where were we?

People here are smart so you can ask for a review if you want

[fresh mural]

Well, now it just feels awkward continuing a conversation in a new setting, in the middle of a GENERAL chat.

[hallow crane]

no its not awkward

we do it alot

[half harness]

Calin is in helpchat

👀

[prisma wave]

Yeah dw about it

that's what dev-general is for

Development is for support

This is for smart people chat

[hallow crane]

wow calin u a smol boy actually legit good for u for coding

no sarcasm

[fresh mural]

Thanks.

Have you seen my channel, though?

It's kinda dead

[hallow crane]

nah

[half harness]

?

[fresh mural]

I wanna make a tutorial soon, though.

[hallow crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOL26-p0e30&ab_channel=CalinBaenen

[half harness]

;-;

[hallow crane]

lOL

[stuck harbor]

java is forward-compatible isnt it?

[hallow crane]

no

depednds

[prisma wave]

Kind of

[hallow crane]

^ lol

[prisma wave]

Join the club

[stuck harbor]

haha thats the best answer

[fresh mural]

Anyways.

[hallow crane]

i made a tutorial once then i got yelled at for using a company server box

[ocean quartz]

Not even Java knows what it is

[fresh mural]

Can someone rate my Iterable blueprint for Janky?

[hallow crane]

its janky

[prisma wave]

you might need to elaborate a bit lol

but yes

[fresh mural]

Janky is my own custom language.

[hallow crane]

interesting

what did u write it in

[fresh mural]

Nothing yet

[hallow crane]

oh

right 'blueprint'

[fresh mural]

Since the new version is in dev

Yako

[prisma wave]

go is a good option :)

[fresh mural]

I do have 2 things for you, though

[hallow crane]

go f*** urself

thats a joke

im kidding go is good

[prisma wave]

ofc it is

It's go

[fresh mural]

1, there is an old Python version on GH

2, are you the brother of Dot?

XD

[half harness]

wut

[hallow crane]

GitHub is like programmer PornHub because you can find malware on it

[half harness]

um

okay

[hallow crane]

no yako =/= yakko

[stuck harbor]

hm

[dry coral]

@prisma wave hows elara going

[fresh mural]

And you can also find arousing pictures there

I know

[half harness]

wtf

[prisma wave]

Brilliantly

[fresh mural]

That was the joke

[prisma wave]

Have you seen the Dave factory

[dry coral]

is there a way for me to try use it?

[prisma wave]

kind of

It requires a bit of setup but yes

[stuck harbor]

compile time 35ms

[hallow crane]

"Elara is committed to providing patients the right care, at the right time, in the right place. The best High Quality Home-Based care for the elderly."

[fresh mural]

@stuck harbor Wdym?

[dry coral]

if there's a doc i'll take a look and maybe try it

[stuck harbor]

whoops replied to the wrong one

ops

oh my

those comments

[fresh mural]

Oh shit, that's huge-er than I thought.

[prisma wave]

?paste

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Paste Services
When asking for help with a config/menu/code issue please use one of these:
(However we do prefer if you used our paste :))
• HelpChat Paste - Usage
• Hastebin

Requested by: Brister Mitten • paste

📋 Your paste, Calin

https://paste.helpch.at/lutesoziwe

A member of staff has requested I move your message to a paste,
Most likely beacause it contains a config/error/code snippet.

[ocean quartz]

I gotchu

[stuck harbor]

i wish my comments were that nice

[prisma wave]

Even better

[dry coral]

imagine not commenting your code

[stuck harbor]

my comments are just

System.out.println(player.getDisplayName()); // If u dont understand this the fuck are you doing lookin' at my code

[dry coral]

lmao

[fresh mural]

Better yet, only use doc-comments

Normal comments are okay.

But I read a post on DEV showing that they are clutter, and it kinda hit me.

Who here uses DEV?

[stuck harbor]

hm what

[prisma wave]

DEV.to?

[dry coral]

I barely ever us //

[fresh mural]

@prisma wave yes.

[prisma wave]

not actively

[dry coral]

it's always */ for me

[prisma wave]

i see links to posts on it though

[ocean quartz]

Good comments are like this:

/**
* -------------------------------------
*       THIS CODE PRINTS HELLO!
* -------------------------------------
*/
System.out.println("hello!");

[prisma wave]

r/programmingcirclejerk is all i need

[stuck harbor]

oh my

that comment

[fresh mural]

Brister

[stuck harbor]

my comments are so bad

[fresh mural]

If you have DEV, you should follow me.

[stuck harbor]

i looked at some of my code on a project and it was

head hurt

[prisma wave]

i dont have an account im afraid

[fresh mural]

Oof.

[dry coral]

@ocean quartz every plugin on spigot when starting up

[ocean quartz]

Ikr lmao

[fresh mural]

Can anyone review my bp for Iterable?

[dry coral]

cough frozenjoin cough

[prisma wave]

@fresh mural where is KT being defined?

[fresh mural]

Oh shit, if I put KT down, I meant IT!

Thanks for catching that.

[prisma wave]

np lol

[dry coral]

pfff trash dev leave the discord i cant believe you would mess up like that

[stuck harbor]

yeah nobody has ever done that

never

[fresh mural]

@dry coral dam you right

[dry coral]

damn sx would probably have screamed at u

[half harness]

whos sx

[fresh mural]

Who's "sx"?

Sollux?

[half harness]

lol

[fresh mural]

The troll?

[half harness]

no

[dry coral]

@prisma wave

[half harness]

i remember someone telling me

but i forgot

[fresh mural]

How does "SX" => "BM"?

[dry coral]

it doesnt

[ocean quartz]

Sx 😭

[prisma wave]

nah sx was a guy who got banned a few months ago

he was very clever tho

anyway

i digress

[dry coral]

big brain, big mouth

[fresh mural]

And small dick

Damn, I roasted them hard. :p

[half harness]

;-;

ur mouth is very dirty at a young age

[dry coral]

Without Sx the dev chats are just missing that spice

[fresh mural]

Eh, not really

you should see what else I do.

[half harness]

oh no thanks

[fresh mural]

It's not graphic

but it's something my age shouldn't do

or something people say I shouldn't do

[ocean quartz]

We had another dude come in and add the spice, it wasn't great

[prisma wave]

🤨

[prisma wave]

who?

[hallow crane]

wait who was sx

[stuck harbor]

we need spice bring oregano

[prisma wave]

Sxtanna

[hallow crane]

sxtanna?

[prisma wave]

yes

[hallow crane]

interesting

why banned?

[ocean quartz]

Bump or something like that

[prisma wave]

oh Bomp

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[prisma wave]

he was an interesting character

[hallow crane]

they are a developer on skeppy server now

[dry coral]

Who?

[prisma wave]

apparently we were all using hashmaps wrong

[hallow crane]

LOL trash server

[half harness]

blomp = free 150 gb storage

[fresh mural]

I know the the MOST INTERESTING character!

[dry coral]

@hallow crane sx or bomp?

[hallow crane]

sx

[fresh mural]

Karkat Vantas.

[prisma wave]

is it me?

oh

😦

[fresh mural]

They're Vantasic.

[dry coral]

Sx works on invaded?

[hallow crane]

yes

[dry coral]

didnt know

[hallow crane]

me neither

until i went there

and iwas like oh i recognize that name

good luck with that garbage

[fresh mural]

@prisma wave Don't worry, you're still pretty interesting!

2nd best to Karkat, promise.

[prisma wave]

better than nothing

[dry coral]

Poor dev team is probably getting eaten alive by sx

[prisma wave]

omg i cant imagine

[half harness]

you're still pretty interesting

[hallow crane]

just them 2

[prisma wave]

weekly code reviews, he just slaughters everyone

[fresh mural]

What even is this general chat anymore?

[half harness]

y he got banned?!

[prisma wave]

nostalgia

anyway

[hallow crane]

because hes a badperson

[prisma wave]

back to your original question calin

required private seems like an odd mix - given that excluding a private function would always break things, why have that?

[dry coral]

👀

[hallow crane]

it isnt good

the code might be good

but they did the wrong stuff its not fun

[dry coral]

gotta pull a bit more on the cade to start talking trash

[fresh mural]

Just let it settle

[hallow crane]

yo yoyo

chill

[dry coral]

jk jk

[fresh mural]

once it's added to the language, it will all fall into place.

[hallow crane]

all that stuff is custom coded

IL uses essentials

[fresh mural]

I know it seems odd

[dry coral]

not me playing kit every once in a while