dev-general

[old wyvern]

What

even

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?

[old wyvern]

🥲

if (expr) return;
{
BODY
}

Wonderful

Just

Wonderful

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microseconds

[old wyvern]

So thats just like a open block now

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yugi that is horrible

[old wyvern]

xD

yea Im really tired of cleaning this up

[prisma wave]

this is why you always brace your ifs, kids

the lexer is exceedingly fast

partly because it's the simplest bit

but also i wasted loads of time optimising it

[old wyvern]

Then calls me and asks me to rewrite

Like wtf

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🙄

[onyx loom]

i think theres something on the elara gh u can download or smth

[old wyvern]

fuck this

[prisma wave]

the release is very outdated

[onyx loom]

o

[prisma wave]

clone the GH repo, and you need go installed

[onyx loom]

fix it then 😠

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cba

[onyx loom]

fair enough

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no point when only 60% works

[old wyvern]

yes

[prisma wave]

nice

i can build a windows binary if you really want

but it's probably easier to just do it yourself

[old wyvern]

And the elara gang grows even further

[prisma wave]

pin this

https://github.com/ElaraLang/elara-stdlib feel free to contribute to this too

it's kinda basic atm

❤️

[old wyvern]

Oh the assembly loop problem from aoc had a non-brute force soln

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oh really?

[old wyvern]

yea

[prisma wave]

wow

what was it?

[old wyvern]

its called the turtle and bunny algorithmn I think

[prisma wave]

Several algorithms for finding cycles quickly and with little memory are known. Robert W. Floyd's tortoise and hare algorithm moves two pointers at different speeds through the sequence of values until they both point to equal values. Alternatively, Brent's algorithm is based on the idea of exponential search.
oh that makes sense

if you've got go installed, open a cmd, go into the folder and then you do go run cli.go elara.elr

or another file

but it's easiest to just edit elara.elr

yeah

ok, what should i do now?
continue to optimise even though it really doesn't need it
add structs again

yeah give it a second, it depends on a few libraries

[old wyvern]

add structs again

[prisma wave]

discord being good?

[prisma wave]

okey

[old wyvern]

Welcome to the Elara life

[prisma wave]

yes that big error looks correct

might not have worked lol

try it again?

[old wyvern]

Seems it didnt download the std lib

Seems it didnt download the std lib

[prisma wave]

o

[old wyvern]

Check user root

Seems it didnt download the std lib

[prisma wave]

it didnt download stdlib

that's weird

[old wyvern]

Discord being real slow or what?

test

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yeah it is again

[old wyvern]

That is some damn delay

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takes like 10 seconds to send messages

[old wyvern]

yup

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🙄

what

if field.Default != nil
Default = nil

??

what's the contents of that folder

and inside that?

it looks ok

so idk why that's not working

o ok that's outdated

probably because it's using the old release 🙄

nice

extract this in

nice

it should

you should just be able to run it now

and it works

i hope

[static zealot]

leave

why not?

[half harness]

;-;

[prisma wave]

idk

that means it's working

you said you wanted to play around

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

make a new .elr file and pass that, or just edit elara.elr

the latter is what we do

[obtuse gale]

Read the official elara documentation

It's very resource rich

[half harness]

is it possible to convert a jar into exe 😛 just curious

[stuck harbor]

I doubt it

[prisma wave]

with anything

it's just a text file

[half harness]

how did you find taht so quickly

[obtuse gale]

Is it that hard to google dkim?

[prisma wave]

hot

[obtuse gale]

Like u

[half harness]

yes

[ocean quartz]

Googling is a skill

[prisma wave]

try running what?

[half harness]

especially when my computer is so laggy

[prisma wave]

building what

how would you do that

as far as IJ is concerned, it's just a text file

yes

[half harness]

is it possible to change default build.gradle?

or make some kind of plugin to do so

[prisma wave]

neither, it's a programming language

[obtuse gale]

So it's female

[prisma wave]

if you say so

meh

you decide

nice

this is hot too

i got structs working

[wanton sentinel]

Improvements?

Yes

[half harness]

lol

[wanton sentinel]

It's free lol

[half harness]

why 1.8.8

[wanton sentinel]

how tf would i add capes

[half harness]

1.8.9 ftw

[wanton sentinel]

shut up, I will add support for more versions soon

[half harness]

is it possible to change default build.gradle?
or make some kind of plugin to do so
I can't find anything on google

[prisma wave]

enum class Sex(val name: String) {
  MALE("Male")
  //etc
}```

[half harness]

or

[prisma wave]

change it to what dkim

[half harness]

how do I make a plugin like mc dev?

[prisma wave]

that's an intellij plugin

[half harness]

ik, but do u know any tutorials

[prisma wave]

oh don't use name

it won't like that

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jetbrains probably has one

[half harness]

👀

[prisma wave]

not off the top of my head tho

i mean, it's their software + api, there's definitely documentation at least

[half harness]

k thx ill take a look at it in a few horus 😄

k thx ill take a look at it in a few hours 😄

is mc dev open source

[prisma wave]

yes

[half harness]

I kinda want to just copy it but change the build.gradle 🤣

[prisma wave]

what's the point

change it to what?

[half harness]

my own :>

to save 20 seconds

[prisma wave]

but what's the difference

[half harness]

wdym

[prisma wave]

what's different about yours

[half harness]

build.gradle also i gtg so ping me if u say anything to me

[onyx loom]

u dont

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you don't need getters

[prisma wave]

?

what i mean is

[onyx loom]

just make a field or 'property' in kotlin

[prisma wave]

what's different about your build.gradle

that warrants making an entire IJ plugin

[static zealot]

11/10

11/10

[onyx loom]

Character.toString

what the fuck

[static zealot]

it will sometimes convert wrong or not at all but mostly it will work

[hot hull]

Efe..

You're using kotlin, what the fuck are those prints

[onyx loom]

lol

also did u use === or was that ij?

this is disgusting

if (human.gender === Gender.FEMALE) {

[wanton sentinel]

if (human.gender === Gender.FEMALE) {

tjere

[prisma wave]

worst thing ive ever seen

[onyx loom]

so?

[wanton sentinel]

It's disgusting

[onyx loom]

enums can still be compared using ==

[wanton sentinel]

but why 3

===

[prisma wave]

also it's 2021, might wanna make pronouns + gender a class instead of an enum lol

🙄

[wanton sentinel]

why?

fit

[onyx loom]

that whole thing is bad

but this is just horrifying val name2 = Character.toString(Character.toUpperCase(name[0]))

[prisma wave]

that's definitely the worst part

[onyx loom]

thats what u did?

disgusting

name[0].toUpperCase()

then toString if u need it a string

question

nvm

[prisma wave]

ask the question

coward

[onyx loom]

🙄

do u really wanna hear it

[prisma wave]

sure

[onyx loom]

return name2 + name or return "$name2$name"

[prisma wave]

hmmmmmmmmm

id say the first

tbh

[onyx loom]

yes

clearer imo

[prisma wave]

second looks messy

[onyx loom]

probably the only time where concat actually looks good in kotlin 🥲

[prisma wave]

🥲

[steel heart]

AbstractGenderSupplierFactoryFactoryGenerator

[onyx loom]

where are u running it efe

where

[steel heart]

MainKt != Main.kt

[onyx loom]

😐

[ocean quartz]

Show your main

Pretty sure it's because of args, depending on how you create your project JVM will required the args to detect main
fun main(args: Array<String>)

[onyx loom]

wait ur human?

idk

ur not human

ur like a hamster or smth

[half harness]

How do modules work? Can someone pls breifly explain

also kaliber how do you react so quickly?!

[ocean quartz]

Oh

[onyx loom]

jesus

i blame my 400 dpi

too slow

[ocean quartz]

I see you have Gender in there, you better have all 60+ genders in that enum

https://tenor.com/view/triggered-angry-mad-gif-12026482

Hell yeah

Damn

I prefer passive aggressive wishes

[steel heart]

What u want to know about em?

[prisma wave]

stack overflow 😔

[lunar cypress]

one joke

[half harness]

basically what it is

[steel heart]

Pretty sure BM can come up with a good WoT

[half harness]

and how it works

[prisma wave]

toString(Any) calls util.Stringify(interface{}) which calls Stringable.String() which calls toString() 😔

how

ok im confused now

should toString be natively implemented or language feature part of stdlib?

[ocean quartz]

Efe my guy, chill

[half harness]

how do you react so quick-

[ocean quartz]

Not about being hard, it's spammy

[half harness]

its hard when ur discord is so laggy

[onyx loom]

get a better pc pls

[prisma wave]

bump

[onyx loom]

o

[lunar cypress]

you know discord actually ip bans for reaction spam automatically at some point

[onyx loom]

stdlib

[prisma wave]

ok

in that case

how am i supposed to do a toString for an int 😔

[onyx loom]

KOTLIN

u need to go back to kotlin

[prisma wave]

since atm there's no way of checking types lol

so i can't do if blah is Int

i think it has to be native for now

[steel heart]

if Int is blah

[onyx loom]

null!!

[ocean quartz]

return "$this"

[onyx loom]

hes right tho bm

kekw

thatll prob have slow executions

[prisma wave]

right thanks for that

*interpreter.Instance: &{%!s(*interpreter.StructType=&{Person [{name 0xc0000551f0 0 <nil>} {age 0xc000055210 0 <nil>}] map[age:1 name:0] 0xc0002533c0}) map[age:50 (Int) name:Dave (String)]}

that's long

[onyx loom]

<nil>

[prisma wave]

nil

[steel heart]

nil?

null is better

[lunar cypress]

nichts 😳

[steel heart]

[prisma wave]

works

[half harness]

USA best because english > german

[lunar cypress]

because it's from a film

the best film

[steel heart]

Yo that’s nice

[lunar cypress]

Kung Fury

[half harness]

wut is dis

[prisma wave]

dave factory

[prisma wave]

elara

[half harness]

XD

[prisma wave]

im actually so surprised that worked

it's great

[half harness]

u have to put height

and weight

[prisma wave]

6'10

[steel heart]

daveMachine, abusing Dave!?

[prisma wave]

yes

dave's going in the dave machine

efe machine?

[half harness]

👀

[lunar cypress]

I'm in Berlin rn

[lunar cypress]

just over the holidays tho

peepoDetective

[prisma wave]

ugh need int ranges

1..10

etc

yugi hasn't added them yet

so

🥲

we'll have to do it the hard way

[static zealot]

how do you build a jar if you're not using gradle or maven? xD

[steel heart]

Ant user :/

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/creating-a-blank-spigot-plugin-in-intellij-idea/

[prisma wave]

upvote dave factory

[ocean quartz]

How much for each dave?

[prisma wave]

$50

if u say so

[onyx loom]

daves >

both of those statements are false.

[hot hull]

That execution is slow BM

[prisma wave]

yeah im working on it

idk why it's so slow

actually i probably do

[onyx loom]

INTERPETER

compiling = faster

[prisma wave]

well yes

but compiler boring

[onyx loom]

im saying u should add a jvm compiler 😔

[stuck harbor]

yeetus

[onyx loom]

elara plugins 😔

[prisma wave]

I think we are getting close to the optimisation limit

[steel heart]

No

Needs more optimization

[prisma wave]

Im not sure how much else is possible at this point

[steel heart]

Even tho diminishing

[onyx loom]

until u find out that Go has a .sonic() function that automatically optimises everything

[prisma wave]

😳

I wish

[onyx loom]

maybe elara should have this

[steel heart]

Elara has checked and unchecked exceptions ?

[prisma wave]

no

Result types

Eventually

[steel heart]

Ooo

I like that

[prisma wave]

but for now we're just panicking since all the errors are coming from native code

Yea they are cool

[ocean quartz]

BM how hard do you think it'd be to make it compile to JVM?

[steel heart]

I’m excited

[prisma wave]

tricky but not impossible

at the moment the 2 things holding us back are:
No typer
None of us know enough about the bytecode format

[ocean quartz]

Compiler seems pretty complicated to make

[prisma wave]

yeah

i think it will be

[onyx loom]

i would come to isle of wight myself and salute u if u do so

[steel heart]

If it’s hard for BM then it’s next to impossible

[prisma wave]

LMAO

i'll quote that

[onyx loom]

bet

[prisma wave]

well im just guessing

[onyx loom]

u can wait for me outside the harbour

ill come by ferry

[prisma wave]

ok see you there

[steel heart]

Hmm I will be the first ever developer to add flexible elara support

[onyx loom]

no me

[steel heart]

For my plugin

No u die

[onyx loom]

o

[prisma wave]

o

[steel heart]

o

Yo wtf

IntelliJ indexing is finally done after 3H

[prisma wave]

lol

ok this is getting better, about 5ms for 50 daves

[onyx loom]

pog

we need to be pumping out daves as fast as possible

we need to be pumping out daves as fast as possible

we need to be pumping out daves as fast as possible

[prisma wave]

of course

they're VERY valuable

they're VERY valuable

[lunar cypress]

not sure if a compiler is the best idea as long as the language is in this experimental state 😛

[prisma wave]

ugh discord dying again

[prisma wave]

that's another reason

need to make sure it's all possible / working

[onyx loom]

ah ok i thought that was just me

[hot hull]

BM I honestly am looking forward to making a plugin in Elara

[onyx loom]

took me like 20 seconds to send a message

and again its shitting itself 🥲

[hot hull]

BM I honestly am looking forward to making a plugin in Elara

[onyx loom]

ah ok i thought that was just me

[prisma wave]

🥲

Me too

[onyx loom]

i feel like were pressuring u too much 🤣

[prisma wave]

nah idm

even if you held a gun to my head it still wouldnt be ready

soo

[onyx loom]

would a gun atleast speed up the process

🔫

[prisma wave]

maybe a little bit

might shave off a few days

[onyx loom]

man whyd they change the gun emoji in discord

before it was like a magnum or smth, was really cool

now we have a water gun kek

[prisma wave]

apple changed it ages ago

[lunar cypress]

discord just uses twemoji

[onyx loom]

ye

was not very cool 😔

[hot hull]

We need all gun variations

This no fun

[onyx loom]

🇺🇸 heres all the variations @hot hull

🥲

[hot hull]

Lmao

[lunar cypress]

they took this from us 😡

[hot hull]

Like this just doesn't seem right now..
😔🔫

[lunar cypress]

man I'm procrastinating so hard again

what am I doing here

[hot hull]

That's a good thing

[lunar cypress]

no

I hate myself

[onyx loom]

dont we all 🙂

im also procrastinating, so ur not alone

[hot hull]

Oh don't get me started

About hating myself, not the procrastinating part, I'm hella productive

[lunar cypress]

I have an assignment due the day after tomorrow and I can't bring myself to start working on it

[hot hull]

Tell the teacher to fuck off

Always works

[lunar cypress]

Yeah great nobody will care

[covert silo]

Someone familiar with residence plugin check minecraft channel please? 🙂

[hot hull]

Nein

[lunar cypress]

At school it usually wasn't a big problem because at least I understood the material so I didn't feel bad for not working on it

but this is different

[ocean quartz]

Same 😦

[onyx loom]

just fail the assignment 4head

who needs to do work

[lunar cypress]

I need to get a total of 50% in all of the upcoming assignments

And I can't risk missing one tbh

2.5/16 on the last one 😂 🔫

[onyx loom]

😬

yikes

siege

[lunar cypress]

fookin lazer sights

[prisma wave]

too much recursion 😩

[onyx loom]

not enough recursion

[prisma wave]

variable lookup is 20% of the total execution time

[prisma wave]

there was more

i cropped the screenshot

im genuinely not sure what i can do here

[ocean quartz]

Procrastinating but did manage to make a nice private messages system

[prisma wave]

hot

[onyx loom]

atleast ur procrastinating is being productive

mine on the other hand

😬

[prisma wave]

nevermind i think i found how to do it, string hashing is slow

cache the hashes

:))

ez

[hot hull]

What's next, cache the hash cache?

[prisma wave]

obviously

well

after some big refactors

im pleased to announce it made pretty much no difference

[prisma wave]

piss

[onyx loom]

piss

[obtuse gale]

golden rain

[onyx loom]

yellow piss 😬

[obtuse gale]

why on earth would google, on guava, make a builder (threadfactorybuilder) that you have to instantiate with new instead of getting a new one from a static method like builder like, y'know, literally every builder there is on guava

[onyx loom]

🌝

[obtuse gale]

you're listening to spitofon

[static zealot]

yo @ocean quartz just a random thing. add support for /msg from console. k. bye

[static zealot]

ugh

because you stole my heart.

[little hamlet]

I have
[22:45:28 INFO]: Player is offline.
Error spam in console anyone got any clue why this happening?
I guess there is somehting broken that is trying to find a player and then throws that message. Anyone have ever experienced this?

[surreal quarry]

very cool dave factory @prisma wave

[static zealot]

make one ...

[surreal quarry]

just write one

noob

[static zealot]

efe you need help? https://i.imgur.com/l42XyYr.png

u sure you ok?

[surreal quarry]

just get it LMAO

[static zealot]

I mean its literally just #chat-settings ...

he didn't know about that somehow

[surreal quarry]

smh

kids these days not knowing about #chat-settings

[static zealot]

ye... just learn smh

[prisma wave]

Why thank you

It's a bit slow

[surreal quarry]

Thats just cause dave is a bit slow

it would be even slower

also wont compiling increase speed

when that gets added

[prisma wave]

probably

Actually definitely

The main thing slowing it down right now is that things like variables have to be looked up by name

Which can be a very slow process because of recursion, imports etc

I've tried to cache it as much as possible

But I'm not sure I can do much more

[surreal quarry]

wdym by name like it has to look through the file for where its declared?

or i guess the AST maybe

[prisma wave]

let me find an example

let recursiveLoop(Int current, Int total, (Int) => Unit fun) => {
    if current == total {
           return
    }
    //blah
}
``` every time this is executed, and because it's recursive, that's pretty often, it has to look through the current "context" to find what `current` and `total` are. 
With a compiler we could optimise it to something much cleverer, but at the moment it has to search by name

which is slow

and for some reason, this doesn't want to cache

[surreal quarry]

ah yea

good reason to keep a compiler in mind i guess lol

[prisma wave]

we're getting there

[surreal quarry]

nice

[ocean quartz]

Oof that sounds harder than it should

[static zealot]

xD

just add custom format for console msg

[ocean quartz]

Papi can't parse console right?

[static zealot]

private msg

well it can parse null

I think

but not console

only player offlineplayer and null

as long as those placeholders accept those types tho

[ocean quartz]

But %player_name% wouldn't turn into console which sucks

I can think of a way

[static zealot]

well just custom placeholders and a custom format for that I guess

[stuck harbor]

my first plugin has

hold on

[static zealot]

is the easiest option

[stuck harbor]

it has 54 downloads in about a year

[static zealot]

o

[stuck harbor]

but idek why i posted that, i didnt even know java at the time

its just a welcome message haha

[static zealot]

I have 3 plugins on spigot. 114, 88 and 65 downloads

[stuck harbor]

gg no re

[ocean quartz]

I legit don't know how my first plugin got 124k downloads

[stuck harbor]

the fu-

[surreal quarry]

148, 76, 14 lol

[stuck harbor]

what was it?

[static zealot]

is that Citizens-CMD?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

[static zealot]

its good..

[stuck harbor]

ah that makes sense

[static zealot]

well for what it does

[ocean quartz]

The code is so bad though

[static zealot]

dk if its good as in code

[stuck harbor]

i have citizenscmd on my system so yeet

[static zealot]

well it doesn't fucking matter on spigot lmaoo... ChatControl had like 600k downloads

[ocean quartz]

I wrote it on my first year out of school, i had no idea how to code properly lmao

[static zealot]

and like 7k 5star reviewes

[drowsy raven]

I just bought a product from this guy called @obtuse gale

is he a scam??

[obtuse gale]

My first plugin has 2k downloads over the course of 10 months in total and it's absolute shit

[stuck harbor]

🤷

[static zealot]

we don't know of any other incidents from him @drowsy raven

[drowsy raven]

ok

he seems legit

[static zealot]

if he did scam he probably would've been banned by now

[stuck harbor]

y'all making good plugins and im making a welcome message

[drowsy raven]

ok!

[static zealot]

in here I mean

[drowsy raven]

were can i find his vouches??

[static zealot]

good as in they do stuff. not as in nice and good code

[stuck harbor]

yeah lol

[prisma wave]

i suggest you purchase high quality products from me in future 🙂

[ocean quartz]

I've done so many cool things that never became an actual plugin kek

[surreal quarry]

if hes from #794429921803763793 thats just a channel where people can post their stuff. its not really a formal thing

[static zealot]

ugh we don't have a vouch system here. best is if they have their own on spigot or something

like github

idk

[drowsy raven]

ok

can u get a vouch bot??

[stuck harbor]

the source for my first plugin is literally one class

uno

[static zealot]

NewPicture it will be abused so don't think that's going to be added but its not my call so you never know

[drowsy raven]

oko doki

[static zealot]

I remember there was review-my-server and that was abused as well and removed

[drowsy raven]

oh nvm i just recive my product

[stuck harbor]

im gonna learn kotlin before i start my next project yeet

[drowsy raven]

hes legit

[stuck harbor]

make a bunch of small plugins, then get famous by random chance, and publish an improved amalgamation of these as a premium plugin

simple

🙂

jk thats dumb

[ocean quartz]

I love the requests, "high detail", "with all this and that", budget: $25 lmao
#794429922454142986 message

[static zealot]

I mean he can probably find one for like 40 but that's not exclusive

[stuck harbor]

£25 is like 2 coffees in london

[static zealot]

or whatever its called

[prisma wave]

go func() {
fmt.Println()
}()

sick of this

[ocean quartz]

1 Coffee in the airport

[prisma wave]

had enough

[stuck harbor]

haha yeah

[prisma wave]

the dave factory cannot become any faster

[ocean quartz]

Bm be like go func() { yourself() }

[stuck harbor]

0.1 nanoseconds

[prisma wave]

maybe

SO much recursion

i have a plan

get rid of the recursion

"immutability function purity " who care

s

let mut everywhere

sick of this

[obtuse gale]

Could i get trusted role?

ive got a server with 6+ vouches

[ocean quartz]

Uh trusted is the mod role xD

[prisma wave]

YEAH thats right you filthy

not putting UP with this any moree

4.6ms

bnetter

still not good

2107us for times(Any[], Int) => Any

found the culprit

too slow

[obtuse gale]

lol

FACTS

[steel heart]

Bruh me sitting and trying to figure out why var doesn’t work, used it as a field. I fucking reinstalled jdk and IntelliJ

[prisma wave]

NICE

[steel heart]

Kotlin > java I say no more

[static zealot]

if you loved that one you'll love the one that just got posted

lmaoo

[prisma wave]

YEAH

3.8 ms

the DAVE factory has been concoured by good old fashioned HARDCODING

[surreal quarry]

NICE

[prisma wave]

2.6 MS !

CRIKEY

[surreal quarry]

DAVE

have you considered a factoryfactory

[prisma wave]

its quite unpredicatable but ive managed to get it as low as 1.6ms

CRAZY

no factoryfactrory

[ocean quartz]

Hell yeah

[prisma wave]

HALVED the average execution time

if that

6.98ms average to 2.59ms average

BUT WHy stop there?

500 daves?

[surreal quarry]

Int.MAX_VALUE daves

[prisma wave]

lets try

i think it will stackoverflow

it's still not ready for something that powerful

oh

either the OS or go just sigkills it after a while

lol

that was underwhelming

100000 daves takes just over 1 minute

[half harness]

What is the difference between the Bukkit and Adventure in MF-MSG? All it says is:

Which allows you to use the lib on many other platforms and has all the benefits of using Adventure.

but what is "many other platforms"

[prisma wave]

nukkit, sponge etc

Adventure also has a nicer api

[half harness]

o

thx 🙂

[prisma wave]

oh boy, i made the mistake of comparing elara with python... it's not good... the dave factory in python takes approximately 0.1ms whereas elara takes 1.7

😦

[half harness]

👀

[prisma wave]

elara is 17x slower than python

like come on

[half harness]

python ftw

😐

[onyx loom]

u mean 18x faster? elara fastest language 🙂

[prisma wave]

yes

print(executionTime / 18)

ez

they'll never see it coming

[onyx loom]

how long does dave factory take in jvm

[prisma wave]

im not sure i can be bothered to measure

actually

1 sec

[hallow crane]

then measure it

[onyx loom]

🙄

[prisma wave]

im guessing a lot faster

[ocean quartz]

print(executionTime - executionTime) Wow Elara is basically instant, 0ns execution time

[onyx loom]

omg

[prisma wave]

incredible!

they've clearly done some good optimisations!

ok this cant be right

this is a really rubbish benchmark but JVM (kotlin) is 16ms?

elara faster than kotlin?!?!!?!

[stuck harbor]

haha that must be wrong

BM is better than all of jet brains at making a language haha

[prisma wave]

apparently so

[lunar cypress]

Would you believe it I managed to solve a couple of exercises

Closing Discord was a brilliant idea

[prisma wave]

Nice lol

[lunar cypress]

No idea for the next proof tho

[onyx loom]

jvm startup potentially?

[prisma wave]

I don't think so, I was only measuring the time it took to create the Daves, not everything else

Oh

Unless it was because I used a Kotlin script

Maybe they're partially interpreted or something

[little hamlet]

Quick question can you do json messages on essentials .propierties file?

[obtuse gale]

No

[little hamlet]

😕

I wanted to change /baltop into json for like go to "click to go to page 2" or something like that

[obtuse gale]

Anyone know a good framework or a semi stable Particle effects class? (1.16 + supported)

[little hamlet]

I could text command it with placeholders but baltop placeholders aint a thing

[obtuse gale]

"stable"?

Yes

what do you mean by stable?

how do you define stability?

[distant sun]

If a building stays on a big enough base will be stable

[static zealot]

ok please teach me SEMPAI.

how?

teach me in the way of the force

[forest pecan]

dark magic

[static zealot]

please teach me

[forest pecan]

see that weird arrow which goes down to this line thingy on the top right?

Yeah click on it

now drag it to 100 other servers

[obtuse gale]

what the fuck

[steel heart]

fuck the what

[hot hull]

Why noone DMing about commissions, what's this heckery

[tardy seal]

@wheat spire I cannot invite you.. + you dont accept friend requests lol

[hot hull]

@tranquil crane U need jesus

[tranquil crane]

lmaooo

making examples for my gui library

• also adding animated gradient support to hexutils

= complete madness

[obtuse gale]

Could use leather armor to get full RGB on items lol

[tranquil crane]

you have sealed your fate

it shall be done.

need to get animated gradients working first but it will be done

[prisma wave]

@half harness just checked my vps, the fake requests thing had finally stopped lmao

it was on 10 thousand requests

[half harness]

OH myY

👍

[prisma wave]

looks like they took the website down or blocked my IP lol

[half harness]

lol

I stopped it a while ago because i dont have a VpS

[prisma wave]

yeah same

[half harness]

and then forgot about it

[prisma wave]

i completely forgot it was still going

[half harness]

xD

[prisma wave]

i think they took the website down, it doesnt load at all lol

that's good

[half harness]

🙂

😮 This discord removed kotlin channel (well I think it's kotlin channel) ¯_(ツ)_/¯

🤣

(note: above is an image)

[prisma wave]

wtf

who do they think they are

[half harness]

lol

XD

[prisma wave]

what discord is this

[half harness]

uhhh

||Cortex Development||

[prisma wave]

no idea what that is

[stuck harbor]

this discord must be deleted post-haste

[normal talon]

helpchat ripoff

[prisma wave]

obviously

[quiet depot]

inv pls

[prisma wave]

^

[half harness]

uhhhhhh

im scared

[old wyvern]

^^

[half harness]

😬

uhhhhhhhhhh

I shouldn't have said anything from the first place

[quiet depot]

found it

[half harness]

NOOOOO

[quiet depot]

inv on this page https://github.com/Bcof1/CortextElefant

[half harness]

hopefully its a coincidence

hopefully

hopefullyyy

nvm its the same

nooo

[fervent python]

hi there

[steel heart]

Hi intellectual guy

[prisma wave]

hi there

[obtuse gale]

hi there

I need a kit plugin that works with placeholderapi please help
been looking for days

[half harness]

um

[prisma wave]

LMAO

i forgot about that

[normal talon]

essentials kits ?

[half harness]

XD

looks like helpchat is abandoned; time to join Cortex 🥲

[remote goblet]

[prisma wave]

Dead chat

[old wyvern]

😮

[lunar cypress]

ok lemme revive

uhm

[onyx loom]

KOTLIN

[lunar cypress]

IntelliJ sucks, Kotlin is Trash, Maven is 10 times better than Gradle, also....

[onyx loom]

😬

those are some controversial words coming out of ur mouth

[prisma wave]

oh dear

ok where do i start

[obtuse gale]

You don't

Someone ban this man

Please it's urgent

[surreal quarry]

crusade time

[onyx loom]

yes

[prisma wave]

well to begin let's look at this sentence "Kotlin is Trash"
This is first and foremost, objectively untrue. to find out why, we must look back to kotlin's origins - It was made by JetBrains and designed by Andrey Breslav to replace Java for their IDEs, to speed up development time and reduce maintenance

now the only thing that one could use to back up this claim is the lack of tuples in kotlin

this is obviously a huge issue

as all good languages have some sort of tuple analogy

[surreal quarry]

well to begin let's look at this sentence "Kotlin is Trash"
This is first and foremost, objectively untrue. to find out why, we must look back to kotlin's origins - It was made by JetBrains and designed by Andrey Breslav to replace Java for their IDEs, to speed up development time and reduce maintenance
Thats a good point

[prisma wave]

clojure has lists with little noise and overhead, rust, elara, haskell etc have list literals, and python has... tuples

so, what was Andrey and his goons thinking?

clearly not much

however, fun fact, Kotlin did originally have tuples! they were designed with an absolutely awful syntax though, looking something like this #(1, 2, 3)

[lunar cypress]

Rust has built in tuples as well, not just lists

😡

[prisma wave]

so it does

i forgot about that

even better!

rust is now the best language ever made

[onyx loom]

does not having tuples make kotlin trash tho 🤔

[steel heart]

BM btw what’s the point of using an empty object array Object[0] as your lock instead of the instance itself or just a new Object instance?

[prisma wave]

objectively

[onyx loom]

o

[prisma wave]

im not qualified to answer that question

now, if you're an intelligent person like me, you may be noticing that Kotlin tuples looked very similar to Clojure's lambda expressions! Because clojure doesn't have native currying (as far as I know, bit of an oversight on Rich Hickey's part but im sure he had a good reason), we must often define lambda expressions

these are defined like so - #(function param1 %), where % is the equivalent of kotlin's it

looks awfully similar to Kotlin tuples, no?

so where am i going with this?

well, let's compare the 2 languages. Kotlin is very widely used, and very circlejerky. Sounds awfully similar to Clojure... Could it be that these are in fact the same language?

[steel heart]

Hmm okay I looked it up, fewer bytecode instructions

[lunar cypress]

peepoHmm

[steel heart]

It doesn’t have to invoke the constructor or smtng

[onyx loom]

well, let's compare the 2 languages. Kotlin is very widely used, and very circlejerky. Sounds awfully similar to Clojure... Could it be that these are in fact the same language?
(absolutely (FUCKING (not)))

[prisma wave]

Now I know what you're thinking, "that's ridiculous!". But hear me out:
Rich Hickey is the designer of clojure and the Benevolent Dictator for Life. Rich Hickey is 2 words.
Andrey Breslav was the original head designer of Kotlin. His name is also 2 words.

And trust me, it gets worse

[onyx loom]

:what:

[prisma wave]

The new lead designer of Kotlin, roman elizarov, also has 2 words in his name

it's becoming pretty obvious that these are in fact all the same person!

[onyx loom]

i never knew that having 2 words in ur name means that everyone is the same

[prisma wave]

Clojure and Kotlin also both run on the JVM, perhaps because Rich/Andrey/Roman all knew how to make a JVM compiler from designing their previous language!

and just to make things even worse, both languages also have a flavour of the language that compiles to JavaScript

surely you can see that this isn't a coincidence?

[onyx loom]

man ur really good at getting xp

[prisma wave]

thank you

i hope it was worth it

feel free to put in requests about other languages

[onyx loom]

please tell me how to talk such nonsense

[prisma wave]

idk

just recall a few dumb facts and make dumb comparisons

[steel heart]

Fuck it has to do with serialization as well. Object[] is Serializable and Object isn’t apparently.

[obtuse gale]

Yeah you suck

[steel heart]

No u

[prisma wave]

what now?

pls give suggestions

[obtuse gale]

*hands suggestion over*

[prisma wave]

thanks

coming up next, "is haskell just python with different naming conventions?"

Ok, to begin, what's the point of this? You might be thinking that Haskell and Python are completely different languages, with completely different paradigms

you would be incorrect.

Haskell is simply python with slightly different conventions

[stuck harbor]

yeet

[surreal quarry]

I am a professional Haskell, Python and Skript developer and I can confirm that they are all the exact same language with different names.

[prisma wave]

great!

ok, to begin, let's look at how both languages execute code

Both languages execute code by simply reading down the file and executing each line sequentially. Neither (apart from python kind of) have any analogy of a "main method"

[regal gale]

K

[prisma wave]

This is similarity number one

[lunar cypress]

both assumptions are wrong

[prisma wave]

what ?

[onyx loom]

excuse me are u objecting this man?

[prisma wave]

i assure you that's not true

hear me out

[onyx loom]

these statements are all factual.

[prisma wave]

so, let's look at some practical examples. How do we define variables in both of these languages? the answer? It's the exact same!
Python: ```python
name = "Dave"

Haskell: ```haskell
name = "Dave"

The similarities are becoming obvious immediately

[onyx loom]

omg

[old wyvern]

Confirmed via CERN using the hadron collider itself

[onyx loom]

these languages copied each other!

[surreal quarry]

They are very clearly the exact same. Anyone who would disagree is insane, clearly.

[onyx loom]

clearly.

[surreal quarry]

clearly.

[stuck harbor]

evidently.

[surreal quarry]

frankly.

[stuck harbor]

thusly.

[old wyvern]

Wanna know what Armstrong found on the moon?

[onyx loom]

absolutely.

[stuck harbor]

performance enhancing drugs

[surreal quarry]

moon stuff?

[old wyvern]

Yea I do too

[obtuse gale]

Not moon stuff?

[old wyvern]

Maybe

[onyx loom]

armstrong found gfuel on the moon? 🤨

[old wyvern]

Very probable ^

[prisma wave]

what next? well, the obvious next step is functions. now functions are a little bit less obvious. let's make a simple printing function in both languages:

printInfo age name = putStrLn (name ++ " is " ++ (show age) ++ " years old")

def printInfo(age, name): print(name, "is", age, "years old")

now, these are in fact completely different

but hear me out!

[old wyvern]

what next? well, the obvious next step is functions. now functions are a little bit less obvious. let's make a simple printing function in both languages:
printInfo age name = putStrLn (name ++ " is " ++ (show age) ++ " years old")

def printInfo(age, name): print(name, "is", age, "years old")
now, these are in fact completely different
but hear me out!

[surreal quarry]

im waiting yugi

[prisma wave]

we can slightly adjust the haskell code to look slightly more like python:

[surreal quarry]

im hearing you out

[old wyvern]

Sure

Keep hearing

Dont forget to keep your doors unlocked

[surreal quarry]

:yugi:🔫

[old wyvern]

💀

[prisma wave]

printInfo(age name)= putStrLn(blah)

this is already looking better! and of course, haskell only requires (show age) because its Int type can't be implicitly converted to a String

[onyx loom]

wow

basically the same

[surreal quarry]

that is quite the same

[onyx loom]

python = haskell confirmed

[prisma wave]

we could also adjust the python, ```python
printInfo = lambda age, name: print(blah)

[surreal quarry]

there are so many ways to make them the same

this is incredible

[prisma wave]

now i am not an expert on either language, but i am 100% confident that we could make these look the exact same

what this means, is that haskell and python are simply the same language with different conventions

[old wyvern]

Yes, lets rewrite a compiler for haskell with tweaked syntax

🥲

[prisma wave]

you want further proof? let's look deeper
The haskell compiler translates Haskell into C, assembly, LLVM bitcode and other formats
there's also a python tool to do this known as Cython!

so therefore both languages can be compiled

outstanding!

[onyx loom]

damn thats crazy

[prisma wave]

now you might be wondering, if haskell is a functional language, then it wouldn't have classes, mutability, self, etc would it?

you would be correct, but it turns out that none of these are necessary in python either!

as Alan Turing proved in 1963, any programming problem is possible to solve without classes and mutability and python

therefore, i think the conclusion is pretty obvious

[onyx loom]

u know all languages are the same? this may sound crazy but hear me out:

[prisma wave]

haskell and python are in fact, the same language

[obtuse gale]

@obtuse gale stop crossposting

[prisma wave]

bruh fuck off i only got like 2% progress from that

literal scam

[obtuse gale]

You said the same thing in #off-topic

[surreal quarry]

lmfao

[obtuse gale]

We are all in the same server stop crossposting

[onyx loom]

all languages allow the user to write code, which can then be executed, allowing people to create programs!

therefore, all languages are the same!

[obtuse gale]

The pinnacle of programming

[prisma wave]

you seem like you know what you're talking about!

[surreal quarry]

Can someone write me a skript program

[onyx loom]

yes absolutely i do

thank u very much

[prisma wave]

do u want a harvard scholarship

[onyx loom]

yes please!

[obtuse gale]

Okay then

It's easy to get one

[prisma wave]

i was gonna apply for one with my clojlin theories but i think you'd be a better candidate

[surreal quarry]

(clo(jlin)) as String

[obtuse gale]

J

[surreal quarry]

code review please

Bukkit.getPlayer(args[0]) ?: null```

[prisma wave]

doesnt work

[onyx loom]

james that is amazing

[surreal quarry]

thanks

i worked really hard on it

[prisma wave]

var player *Player
player = Bukkit.GetPlayer(args[0])
if player == nil {
  panic("player is nil")
}```

[surreal quarry]

Bukkit.GetPlayer

ew

[onyx loom]

people may say ur wasting 7 characters, making something null when handling the nullability, however, explicitly typing that this can be null can be very useful for people to see nullability in code!

[prisma wave]

no public in Go

[surreal quarry]

exactly it improves readablility so much

[surreal quarry]

thats not what i was worried about

[onyx loom]

absolutely!

[surreal quarry]

more worried about CamelCase method names

[prisma wave]

Go uses names as access modifiers though:
UpperCamelCase is public, accessible anywhere
lowerCamelCase is internal / package private, only accessible in the current module

[surreal quarry]

oh what the

thats wild

[prisma wave]

ikr

[onyx loom]

bruh

[steel heart]

guava CaseFormat

(:

[half harness]

Codedred discord or Cortex

which one do you prefer

[surreal quarry]

helpchat

thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[prisma wave]

cortex is aids

[steel heart]

No it’s worse

[prisma wave]

ive just spent like 2 hours trying to explain why kotlin doesn't compile to java

holy shit

that was such a waste of time

[old wyvern]

😂

[half harness]

😂

[surreal quarry]

where why

[old wyvern]

His final argument was "I dont consider kotlin a language"

[onyx loom]

link

[old wyvern]

"Its not coding, its scripting"

xD

[onyx loom]

🤣

[steel heart]

Yep he elaborated so sophisticatedly and elegant why kotlin is bad and why java is significantly better.

[surreal quarry]

what discord?

[steel heart]

Joe mama

Don’t go there

😖

[old wyvern]

Probably not allowed to say coz that would be advert

[onyx loom]

dm pls

[surreal quarry]

lol

[old wyvern]

Its in here

[onyx loom]

i want link

[old wyvern]

Look for piggys messages

Theres a link to a repo

[prisma wave]

it's a cesspit

[old wyvern]

oh

[prisma wave]

spigot discord is better

at least they're somewhat intelligent in the spigot discord

how tf does a discord based on an actually good Java tutorial have so many idiots

jesus christ

[steel heart]

Altho lombok

They glorify it

[prisma wave]

hi guys

https://www.codingame.com/clashofcode/clash/1534466fb8e9865be9ab92a489ad85f3b2740e4

join this

or face the consequences

[surreal quarry]

kotlin > java