1A. Arlene asked he and I to complete the job.
1B. Arlene asked he and me to complete the job.
1C. Arlene asked him and I to complete the job.
1D. Arlene asked him and me to complete the job.2A. He and I completed the job for Arlene.
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#dev-general
half harness
so its he and I
static zealot
1A. Arlene asked he and I to complete the job.
1B. Arlene asked he and me to complete the job.
1C. Arlene asked him and I to complete the job.
1D. Arlene asked him and me to complete the job.2A. He and I completed the job for Arlene.
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1D. Arlene asked him and me to complete the job.
2A. He and I completed the job for Arlene.
cool
old wyvern
From your source: Sometimes we want to say, “Him and me will . . .” or “Him and I will . . . .” You can remember the correct pronouns by saying each pronoun alone in the sentence. It probably won’t sound right to you to say, “Him will . . .” or “Me will . . . .”
surreal quarry
yea thats the subject
you dont use him/me in the subject
you would use he/I
in the object you can use him/me
old wyvern
hmm
surreal quarry
it to be just me and him
split it up into two
to be just me
to be just him
sounds better than
to be just I
to be just he
old wyvern
Honestly, yea I guess you are probably right
surreal quarry
lol
half harness
“ or "
lunar cypress
git status?
ocean quartz
Isn't it just saying that you already committed and just need to push?
half harness
what OS is that?!
prisma wave
linux XP
hot hull
win 7
stuck harbor
windows 7 i assume
half harness
;-;
surreal quarry
command line git status
ocean quartz
what OS is that?!
Young baby
prisma wave
what
surreal quarry
xp = helpchat xp
instead of the OS as intended by the original comment
it is a funny play on words causing the recipient to exhale from the nose slightly faster than usual at best
half harness
;-;
surreal quarry
i hate that you delete your messages dkim
half harness
😬
prisma wave
coward
hot hull
That's just annoying
hot hull
Figured out the git shittery, it was adding files to the ignore list for some reason
hot hull
Well he's dead on discord
onyx loom
hes always playing siege and rl lol
he doesnt talk here anymore, but u can still see him in elara discord
hot hull
He used to work on the same server as I did, had a project to finish, and just bailed randomly, stopped responding to my dms and everything
onyx loom
o
prisma wave
Pulling a Sxtanna
onyx loom
😬
weary epoch
tomorrow imma try to recreate dream's minecraft manhunt plugin
weary epoch
Pulling a Sxtanna
invadedlands is typing...
surreal quarry
oh yea isnt he a dev there now
prisma wave
yeah i think so
ocean quartz
Where?
surreal quarry
invadedlands
ocean quartz
He was just a complicated person
hot hull
Great dev, great anger
ocean quartz
Strong personality but i learned a lot with him, plus he was pretty fun too for things that didn't involve coding
quiet depot
jesus do we need a fucking memorial lol
stuck harbor
comic sans windows movie maker aad video
surreal quarry
sad
stuck harbor
oh no
prisma wave
he was fun and very smart, albeit a bit of a dick sometimes
weary epoch
it might be more
all i know is zelk gets paid 35k
so im assuming the devs make the same
quiet depot
who is zelk
quiet depot
I assume a dev would get paid more
hot hull
manager and dev positions are very different
quiet depot
not that I know sx personally, but I doubt he'd waste his time on something so low
considering he could do so much better than 35k
weary epoch
yeah
i think they would pay 50k maybe
cause invaded makes alot
do any of u guys work on MC servers?
hot hull
Work yes, get paid? no
quiet depot
what server do u work on frosty
hot hull
Well I get paid sometimes, but it's a portion of what would be appropriate for the work done
stuck harbor
50k a year for minecraft?
weary epoch
i saw ur github
stuck harbor
the shit that's mad
weary epoch
you should find a server to work on that pays
quiet depot
not sure how much it costs to live in murica
weary epoch
hypixel always looks for admins for the skyblock gamemode
surreal quarry
depends which state
prisma wave
Yeah sx could probably get a $100k job if he tried
weary epoch
since it always need changes
hot hull
Piggy, I "work" on a slovenian server, and a soon to be asian one, then I also do shit for cough Gian cough
quiet depot
idk bm it's a lot of luck too I imagine
weary epoch
Piggy, I "work" on a slovenian server, and a soon to be asian one, then I also d...
wynncraft?
quiet depot
lol
weary epoch
wait
quiet depot
how did you get wynncraft from that
hot hull
kek
weary epoch
idk who gian is
prisma wave
idk bm it's a lot of luck too I imagine
Possibly, I've never had a non MC job so idk
weary epoch
apple is a pretty good place to get a job with java
weary epoch
contract and everything
we gotta know... how much?
quiet depot
companies like apple will use everything
hot hull
I mean if you know what you're doing it's not that hard finding a job which requires java
quiet depot
need dat degree tho
hot hull
Only issue yea
weary epoch
they use swift, objective C, C++, javascript, python, and java
also they have so much things
you can work as only a java dev there
prisma wave
I vaguely remember apple hiring a clojure dev I think
quiet depot
lol bm
stuck harbor
just do php work, it's easy
weary epoch
need dat degree tho
well if you have certificates and have lots of projects already done you dont need one necessarily
quiet depot
keep it as a hobby
surreal quarry
apple needs to hire an elara dev soon ™️
prisma wave
yea I'd have no clue
quiet depot
encription relying on projects to get a job isn't a great idea
you'd have to have a pretty big, popular, and well made project
weary epoch
yeah but mainly certificates
hot hull
Just become a web dev, ez claps
weary epoch
web dev = no skill
hot hull
good money tho
onyx loom
rpf gonna blow up np pig u gonna be famous ez job 💯
quiet depot
eh
weary epoch
lmao
weary epoch
you need to know JS tho
weary epoch
and JS is the bane of my existence
weary epoch
what about react?
onyx loom
kotlin/js
weary epoch
THOSE arent even LANGUAGES!
onyx loom
markup languages
quiet depot
it is an actual language
what it's not is turing complete
which is what you probably actually mean
prisma wave
It's not a programming language
half harness
;-;
weary epoch
nvm
half harness
;-;
weary epoch
u revoted
half harness
;-;
weary epoch
i need 10 upvotes so i get cash money
half harness
huh?
ocean quartz
half harness
weary epoch
@prisma wave https://img.bristermitten.me/fpm_demo_3.mp4 is this public or private?
weary epoch
<:angry_fingerguns:737200293250334763>
😭
half harness
someone should make a super efficienct block placing/removing API
weary epoch
lmao
half harness
without dependencies
weary epoch
voxel sniper?
half harness
(shading and weird stuff instead)
prisma wave
Who ghost pinged
half harness
not me
weary epoch
not ghost
half harness
i dont think not me
prisma wave
Nvm
weary epoch
scroll up
half harness
lol
prisma wave
It wasn't a ghost ping
half harness
ok
hot hull
What's the point of an api if you don't want to shade lol
prisma wave
I blame amoled dark mode
half harness
What's the point of an api if you don't want to shade lol
I want to shade
hot hull
then shade fawe
weary epoch
ur readme is broken bm
hot hull
Ain't noone stopping you
prisma wave
<@!266973575225933824> https://img.bristermitten.me/fpm_demo_3.mp4 is this publi...
Source is public, plugin isn't finished yet but it will be public + premium
hot hull
Source is public, plugin isn't finished yet but it will be public + premium
Good man.
weary epoch
is it gonna be expensive?
half harness
then shade fawe
YOU CAN DO THAT?!_ _
weary epoch
bc im broke
prisma wave
ur readme is broken bm
Not much I can do, the hosting thing is down
Probably like $10
weary epoch
yeah
weary epoch
Probably like $10
is the free version free?
prisma wave
yeah this was a "make a readme" service that had images for the Langs
half harness
and my message took 20 seconds to send ;-;
weary epoch
look at my github
prisma wave
is the free version free?
There's a free version on spigot, but it's a different source. The premium is a total rewrite
weary epoch
weary epoch
famous!
half harness
look at my github
um
weary epoch
yeah
ocean quartz
You can yes
weary epoch
damn
half harness
not in its actual code afaik
half harness
this reminds me of the time when codedred's discord bot was deleting everyone's messages
weary epoch
but what is skripting in MC?
ocean quartz
Beautiful
half harness
but what is skripting in MC?
🤮
ocean quartz
You should not be reacting to Kotlin like that here, people will start a crusade
half harness
using skript to make laggy horrible scripts
ocean quartz
It's a sin
half harness
I give up trying to talk- discord is being mean 😦 half my messages are red (unsent)
ocean quartz
idek what kotlin is used for
Anything that you can use Java for
But mostly used on Android and backends
weary epoch
fuck android
half harness
lol
weary epoch
this post was made by IOS gang
weary epoch
in that case
prisma wave
Android just happened to adopt it
half harness
:C :c :C :c :C :c :C :c :C :c
weary epoch
kotlin is trash (this was made by eclipse gang)
prisma wave
🙄
surreal quarry
they used the kotlin to make the intellij
but how they make the kotlin if not intellij
jetbrains explain
stuck harbor
kotlin in eclipse would be treason
ocean quartz
You can also use Kotlin for ios
https://kotlinlang.org/lp/mobile/
weary epoch
when i actually know what im doing
surreal quarry
why would you do that
surreal quarry
there is literally no good reason
half harness
he's trying to start some drama to keep the chat alive
weary epoch
no
ocean quartz
when i actually know what im doing
I've heard of self hatred but this is pretty far, damn
onyx loom
i heard someone was trying REALLY HARD to start a crusade
weary epoch
just all the really good devs ive seen use it
prisma wave
Speaking from experience eclipse is literally awful in comparison
half harness
see now it says "Several people are talking"
ocean quartz
just all the really good devs ive seen use it
Scared to ask who you consider a really good dev
half harness
codedred 😐
stuck harbor
just all the really good devs ive seen use it
bad devs**
half harness
codedred good or bad
prisma wave
just all the really good devs ive seen use it
If you mean people making spigot plugins / tutorials, they're not good
They're all trash
prisma wave
ofc ofc :))
half harness
lol
surreal quarry
first episode when
weary epoch
not the tutorials
surreal quarry
where is ep 1
prisma wave
ep 1 isn't even out yet
weary epoch
devs on MC servers
half harness
I meant the ep 2 "draft"
onyx loom
smh bm slacking on everything 🙄
ocean quartz
Luck and Aikar are example of good devs, both use IJ
prisma wave
I meant the ep 2 "draft"
The slides exist
weary epoch
lots of them use eclipse
half harness
👀
surreal quarry
big server != good devs
half harness
eclipse = bad dev
prisma wave
Luck Aikar and Glare are probably the best "well known" Devs
weary epoch
what do they use?
stuck harbor
wouldnt they be fired
nope
ocean quartz
InventiveTalent high pickle dev, also uses IJ
prisma wave
Oh yeah
half harness
wouldnt they be fired
server owners don't know about eclipse and intellij
prisma wave
And Minidigger, proxymist etc
prisma wave
All the clever spigot ones
stuck harbor
eclipse lags more for me
weary epoch
oh
stuck harbor
a lot more
ocean quartz
but eclipse is also more light weight
Disagree, eclipse crashes often and lags, IJ never did
prisma wave
IJ is very well optimised
surreal quarry
eclipse will be worse probably
weary epoch
with icons and shit
half harness
make sure power saving mode is off
prisma wave
Disable unused plugins
weary epoch
IJ is very well optimised
optimized*
surreal quarry
Okay.
prisma wave
That speeds things up a lot
weary epoch
make sure power saving mode is off <:fingerguns:730681133200834592>
it is off
prisma wave
optimized*
I'm British
stuck harbor
eclipse freezes my entire PC if I'm also running a server and 2 clients
half harness
powersaving mode "intentionally" lags iirc (because it's tryng to use less power)
prisma wave
Yeah
weary epoch
I'm British
not a reason for ur english to be worse than ours smh
prisma wave
🙄
surreal quarry
their english is literally different
stuck harbor
our
weary epoch
their english is literally different
their english is literally worse*
half harness
eclipse freezes my entire PC if I'm also running a server and 2 clients
same 👀 but that happened for mee with both eclipse and intellij a while ago, almost wiped my whole drive before it magically worked
stuck harbor
oop
half harness
huh?
intellij takes like 5 seconds to open, eclipse takes like 3 minutes for me
intellij doesn't even like have a loading page
startup page != loading page btw
half harness
mhm
half harness
HOW?!
half harness
I can start coding within 8 seconds
surreal quarry
startup time isn't really a reason to swtich
half harness
for eclipse it has like a loading page that takes forever
weary epoch
maybe eclipse downloaded a virus to slow down IJ so i switch
ocean quartz
I'm going to assume that's because most people don't use gradle/maven on eclipse, so it doesn't need to index over too many things
But if you did use it on eclipse it'd be far slower than IJ
half harness
okay well i gtg now byeee
weary epoch
wait but whats it loading, it just opens up the project for me ;-;
for me it takes a long time
weary epoch
I'm going to assume that's because most people don't use gradle/maven on eclipse...
the reason why i would switch to eclipse is cause i would rather not use gradle/maven
lunar cypress
IntelliJ is not well suited for weak pcs
weary epoch
IntelliJ is not well suited for weak pcs
facts
ocean quartz
the reason why i would switch to eclipse is cause i would rather not use gradle/...
I'm so sorry for your loss
weary epoch
the reason why i would switch to eclipse is cause i would rather not use gradle/...
and not using gradle on IJ is artificats and shit its annoying
lunar cypress
the reason why i would switch to eclipse is cause i would rather not use gradle/...
this has nothing to do with your ide
stuck harbor
but it's so bad
surreal quarry
why would you rather not use maven/gradle
lunar cypress
the effort is nearly identical in both cases
ocean quartz
Damn, i can't imagine myself coding without Gradle or even maven, that sounds so annoying and time wasting
surreal quarry
fr
lunar cypress
but regardless you shouldn't build with your ide
weary epoch
what does gradle even do other than build
onyx loom
depdency management
surreal quarry
it manages all your dependencies, builds, deploys stuff to repositories, documentation, etc
onyx loom
reproducible builds
weary epoch
im sorry but eclipse is just factually better
surreal quarry
its like 100% better than an ide build tool its not even an argument
surreal quarry
its a troll nice
stuck harbor
sublime tex
weary epoch
or text edit
lunar cypress
and what would be the point to that
ocean quartz
Gradle -> Import things from many places without needing a jar, organize your project, different modules, automated tasks, plugins, for example my plugin which lets you create a plugin.yml automatically without needing to put the path to the main class
weary epoch
okay
ill stick with IJ ig
cause i havent had problems yet
plug im getting a real PC soon
stuck harbor
yet
weary epoch
so its gonna be fast asf boi
onyx loom
Gradle -> Import things from many places without needing a jar, organize your pr...
u forgot pdm plugin
ocean quartz
Not until relocations
stuck harbor
lol
onyx loom
sad.
weary epoch
what does pdm do
stuck harbor
moves ur shit to a separate folder
weary epoch
its bm's pl right
surreal quarry
its a lib but yea
weary epoch
so what does it do
surreal quarry
it saves jar size by adding dependencies into another folder on the server
onyx loom
plugin dependency management
ocean quartz
Basically downloads dependency at runtime to reduce jar size
prisma wave
it's supposed to download libraries that plugins need and keep them in a shared place to reduce jar sizes
weary epoch
ohh
prisma wave
In practice it either breaks, or people change the folder
weary epoch
so it downloads the dependencies from build.gradle during runtime but not when the server is down?
so the dependencies are not stored in the jar
its stored in the RAM?
bc if so
that sounds cool
except the part where it uses up RAM
precious RAM
prisma wave
it's not stored in ram until classloading
weary epoch
so in a cache?
prisma wave
the library jars are downloaded and put in a folder, then the plugin loads them in
weary epoch
is the cache auto cleared after stopping the server?
weary epoch
the library jars are downloaded and put in a folder, then the plugin loads them ...
so it still uses the same amount of storage?
prisma wave
depends
if 30 plugins were using the same library, no, because they'd all use the same jar file
stuck harbor
is it functional enough to release plugins using it?
prisma wave
is it functional enough to release plugins using it?
In theory, yes - Guilds uses it
as far as I know
unless Glare removed it
which he might have
stuck harbor
alrighty
prisma wave
it's not officially production ready
considering there are a fair few "missing features"
stuck harbor
hello there
weary epoch
?mf
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
onyx loom
classic
prisma wave
classic
onyx loom
u might aswell, its already broke
onyx loom
tbf i dont actually know if its broke, i havent coded in a while with pdm
stuck harbor
doesn't seem broken to me, but idk if I'm just not using many dependencies or not, I'm doing a pretty small plugin atm
prisma wave
it's not "broken"
there's just a somewhat high chance of it breaking
it doesn't work with JDA for example
but that's because JDA's poms suck
not my problem
lunar cypress
onyx loom
classic pdm - ClassDefNotFoundException
stuck harbor
lol
lunar cypress
that would be a problem considering jda's pom is auto generated by gradle
prisma wave
classic pdm - ClassDefNotFoundException
get over it
lunar cypress
as far as I know
onyx loom
prisma wave
It just cannot resolve certain transitive dependencies because they use a placeholder version that's inherited from a parent pom somewhere much higher up the graph
I'm not sure what's not working, I just don't have the patience to try and fix it
stuck harbor
nice
obtuse gale
How does TypeToken work?
Forces clients to create a subclass of this class which enables retrieval the type information even at runtime.
How does that overcome type erasure 
half harness
😠 I got muted in codedred discord for saying that just pasting code without really looking at it isn't good
ocean quartz
Tells you a lot about them lol
ocean quartz
Is that gson stuff?
old wyvern
Its to get functionality similar to reified types
Like access class from generic references
ocean quartz
Hmm i'm assuming that's similar to what ConfigMe does, basically holds the class of what the type needs to be so when it's erased it'll assume it's the type you passed
obtuse gale
Yeah but like, this is Java, how does TypeToken<List<String>> token = new TypeToken<List<String>>() {}; hold information about List<String> inside of the TypeToken at runtime?
I'm not passing the actual Types or Classes anywhere
ocean quartz
It's kinda funky, i think the reason is that types aren't erased for parameters, so i assume type parameters too? I have never tested but it could be the case
Idk though
I tried looking at the source for gson and it's super confusing
onyx loom
🤣
prisma wave
java support gone wrong
ocean quartz
@obtuse gale Yeah it's basically what i thought
Java's type erasure applies to individual objects, not classes or fields or methods. TypeToken uses an anonymous class to ensure it keeps generic type information, instead of just creating an object.
prisma wave
hot hull
L
onyx loom
"guys i think i fixed it"
stuck harbor
that's odd
obtuse gale
<@456226577798135808> Yeah it's basically what i thought
> Java's type erasure a...
Right...... then why can't I do T.class 
old wyvern
Right...... then why can't I do T.class <:SKGuraPout:788279034327990282>
Seems it uses https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/lang/Class.html#getGenericSuperclass-- on the anonymous subclass of the type with the generic
obtuse gale
So generics aren't totally useless after all, they are more than just a replacement for constant casting 
old wyvern
yea but I guess this is kind of a hack 😂
obtuse gale
But I still can't do T.class
old wyvern
I mean this is kinda close enough
obtuse gale
Very close
ocean quartz
Type erasure is a pain in the ass
lunar cypress
Well
This works because subclasses of generic types know their actual type parameter
It makes sense
but using this like TypeToken is indeed just a hack
Also generics without type erasure are usually orders of magnitude more complicated
obtuse gale
a.k.a templates
lunar cypress
C++ is possibly among the worst in that regard, so yeah
prisma wave
Rust obviously has the best implementation
lunar cypress
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rust.
https://old.reddit.com/r/programmingcirclejerk/comments/ko8m11/the_thing_i_love_most_about_rust_is_its_like/ghowkdd/
wanton sentinel
Yoyo, I got a question
old wyvern
C# has baked generics as well afaik
wanton sentinel
Is there a way to update code and make it implement in my running java application without restarting the application?
old wyvern
hotswapping?
wanton sentinel
Idk
old wyvern
pig has a guide on that I think
wanton sentinel
Where?
onyx loom
helpchat wiki
prisma wave
wanton sentinel
Becus I am editing code and I want it to update in the running application when I save
onyx loom
piggys barn
wanton sentinel
Thanks
onyx loom
oh its on spigot nvm then
prisma wave
DCEVM
old wyvern
Yes
wanton sentinel
Or maven
old wyvern
Yes
weary epoch
kotlin is really bad
obtuse gale
y
half harness
🤣
stuck harbor
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/guide-windows-extremely-productive-development-...
thats a very nice guide, i hate launching my terminal just to load up the test server all the time
prisma wave
yeah it's pretty handy
DCEVM can sometimes be a pain to install
but apart from that it's great
steel heart
kotlin is really bad
We can agree to disagree
half harness
kotlin is confusing
half harness
cOnClUrE
prisma wave
is it on linux?
yup
surreal quarry
the arch package manager is >>
prisma wave
it's really good
surreal quarry
im really pissed that i installed ubuntu instead of an arch based OS when i was setting up my pc
but im just too lazy to uninstall and reinstall
stuck harbor
i do it all the time lol
i back all stuff up all the time, so i dont event need to copy anything over often
surreal quarry
i mean yea all my stuff is on GH i just dont really wanna spend the time to reinstall my OS then download the stuff, setup IJ, my accounts, etc
weary epoch
notepad++ is objectively the best IDE 🙄
prisma wave
reinstall your OS
surreal quarry
i should probably do it at some point
stuck harbor
DCEVM can sometimes be a pain to install
on windows: all this complicated shiz
on manjaro: pamac install jdk11-openjdk-dcevm
yeet linux flex
surreal quarry
linux >
surreal quarry
isn't the default arch pacman?
prisma wave
a pro at what?
obtuse gale
a pro at what?
I'll take that as a yes
prisma wave
ok
surreal quarry
am purple now
obtuse gale
Ohmahgahd I want poorpol
prisma wave
purple is lowkey the best
onyx loom
"funnycube" has created a "monopoly" within "helpchat" so that its "members" will earn "xp" to "rank up"
surreal quarry
words.map { "\"$it\"" }
ocean quartz
"funnycube" has created a "monopoly" within "helpchat" so that its "members" wil...
Tbh it's pretty smart, keeps the server active
onyx loom
🥲
prisma wave
it's addictive
surreal quarry
yea i love it
stuck harbor
tbh #chat-reaction is what makes me read the chat if I'm not pinged lol
surreal quarry
i have it muted lmao
stuck harbor
haha it's pretty difficult
ocean quartz
Ayyy nice!
prisma wave
ty
surreal quarry
nice
prisma wave
lemme try and fix the parser so it doesn't need the ugly type in the lambda now
ocean quartz
Would you be able to make it?
c.forEeach { (Any value) =>
}
Cuz less parenthesis
prisma wave
Idk enough about the parser to deal with that, but in theory
surreal quarry
is it going to have loosely typed lists?
or maybe thats not the correct way to say it
but hopefully you understand what i mean lol
ocean quartz
An interesting idea would be to always have available a hidden index variable inside the forEeach
prisma wave
once we add a typer, probably not - it'll figure out a union of all of the provided values
prisma wave
An interesting idea would be to always have available a hidden `index` variable ...
hmm yeah, that could be interesting, probably cleaner than forEachIndexed
ocean quartz
Yeah, i wish Kotlin had something like that
surreal quarry
the only downside is you cant name your index if you want to
prisma wave
it wouldn't be too difficult to do i don't think
ocean quartz
I'd say that prioritize it, if you name it index then you can't access the index
prisma wave
why not just have 2 functions, 1 takes a (T) => Unit and the other takes an (Int, T) => Unit
oh
i see what you mean
that might be possible
i wonder if you could do some type system hacks to deal with it. in elara terms that might be rust struct Indexed { Int index } type IndexedValue<T> = Indexed & T , and then you could declare an (IndexedValue<T>) => Unit
half harness
👀 how do u make ur own language?!
ocean quartz
Yeah like:
forEach { name =>
index // hidden current index
}
forEach { index =>
index // overrides the hidden value and uses the one it's representing instead
}
hmm
the only problem there is i'd rather not force a specific variable name to be used
ocean quartz
Ikr
surreal quarry
👀 how do u make ur own language?!
prisma wave
it's easier than you might expect
ocean quartz
That language looks exactly like java but weirder
prisma wave
Lex, Parse, wrap the AST into something more manageable, Execute
yeah i don't like that at all
half harness
what is:
- Lex
- AST
ocean quartz
It's explained in the link James sent
half harness
quotes > screenshot
prisma wave
Lexing bundles groups of characters into tokens so you can manage them easier
eg print("Hello") might be ```
Identifier "print"
LBracket "("
String "hello"
RBracket ")"
then the parser can just look for tokens being in the right order, rather than having to worry about every character
AST is Abstract Syntax Tree, it's an abstract (doesn't look like code) representation of the different arrangements of expressions, tokens and statements in the code
i can't really give an example there lol
ocean quartz
AST is the hardest part of it
surreal quarry
something like this
surreal quarry
yea lol
i was gonna try and use that for a school project but then i decided it was too much work
for a school thing
i really didn't know where to go from there or how to even use the AST
prisma wave
Expression: print("Hello")
|
Function Call: print("Hello")
/ | | \
Identifier: print LParen: ( StringLit: "hello" RParen: )
``` here's a kinda wack exampleprint<String>("Hello, world!");
prisma wave
ANTLR was nice, i used that for Frigga. it was a bit tricky to get the hang of at first though
surreal quarry
i had it parsing and lexing iirc but i just didn't know where to go from there
and i sorta just gave up
prisma wave
yeah, I had to look at Sx's to see lol
surreal quarry
i think i was looking at frigga for some of it lol
prisma wave
what I usually do is wrap the AST into Commands, you can recursively walk over it to transform all the elements into Commands
so elara has ```go
type AssignmentCommand struct {
Name string
value Command
}
it's a bit tricky lol
ocean quartz
Damn, it's been a while
onyx loom
😔
prisma wave
😔
surreal quarry
yea it seems pretty hard at least to learn initially
prisma wave
definitely
onyx loom
as with anything
surreal quarry
true
ocean quartz
I was trying to do it from scratch for my markdown and boy i gave up so early, glad i found commonmark
prisma wave
parsing is a pain
surreal quarry
yea ive thought about how you did the markdown before (or how commonmark did it) and it seems really hard to parse markdown lmao
ocean quartz
The way commonmark does it is actually pretty simple
Took a while studying the code to be able to alter it to make it more discord like
surreal quarry
is triumph chat gonna support markdown?
surreal quarry
makes sense i guess lol
ocean quartz
surreal quarry
nice
stuck harbor
very nice
covert silo
Can someone familiar with spigot url errors check minecraft channel
half harness
What does this mean?
half harness
Is there backlash support :>
stuck harbor
What does this mean?
it's a tip
half harness
ik
ocean quartz
Is there backlash support :>
Backslash?
half harness
Backslash?
yes
ocean quartz
Ofc
stuck harbor
intellij is telling u that if u press ! on an auto complete it will automatically negate it
errant geyser
Oi @unkempt tangle, BM is my senpai, get ur own :)
half harness
wut
errant geyser
half harness
i thought u were a mod for a while now
u have to be admin
🙂
or is admin too high
ocean quartz
Katsu is alive
errant geyser
Hey gamer
obtuse gale
well "admin" is for Turbo and Luck, mainly just lead project devs
half harness
ah okay
errant geyser
Is Brian still ded? I haven't been on the LP server for ages
errant geyser
Ah
obtuse gale
left for a while and is now back as retired mod
errant geyser
Is Sx still a banned topic BM?
Or has that blown over
I know you're lurking
Hopefully
onyx loom
its blown over
errant geyser
Phew
onyx loom
infact sx has been the topic of discussion today 🙂
onyx loom
dont think so
errant geyser
Last I heard Matt was talking to him and everyone else got ignored
ocean quartz
Sadly he left every server and unfriended everyone
onyx loom
😳
errant geyser
Lol
prisma wave
Him and BM were a cute couple
hmmmmmmm
yeah he's ceased all communication
also, this took me an incredibly long time so pls appreciate it
onyx loom
o thats cool and all
stuck harbor
nice
errant geyser
Its Elara, we will always appreciate
onyx loom
but 600 micro seconds 😬
onyx loom
compiler pls
stuck harbor
I'll compile u in a minute
prisma wave
toString() is part of the poorly optimised standard library
onyx loom
please do 🙂
prisma wave
so it's surprisingly fast
errant geyser
Its a home made language, what do you want from us BM and Yugi, im emotional support
prisma wave
namespace elara/std
let forEach(Any[] col, (Any) => Unit fun) => {
forEachIndexed(col, (Int index, Any value) => {
fun(value)
})
}
let forEachIndexed(Any[] col, (Int, Any) => Unit fun) => {
loopIndexed(col.size, (Int index) => {
fun(index, col[index])
})
}
let toString(Any[] col) => {
let mut str = "["
col.forEachIndexed((Int index, Any value) => {
str = str + value
if index != col.size - 1 {
str = str + ", "
}
})
str = str + "]"
return str
}
Ooo that still a thing
prisma wave
ty ty
there was a weird glitch where it was resetting the value of str every time the lambda was called
errant geyser
Go breaks my braincells
prisma wave
so fixing that was tricky
onyx loom
katsu really do be emotional support
errant geyser
You did it though, thats why you're senpai
prisma wave
🥰
errant geyser
katsu really do be emotional support
Hey, I did something when it was in Kotlin!
onyx loom
probably the latter
prisma wave
classic boris
stuck harbor
that's why you move to Wales :)
errant geyser
I had a meeting with my head teacher "I hope you aren't in too much distress over your exams being cancelled". Bruh, we're all relieved
prisma wave
🤣
WALES
🤣
stuck harbor
and slightly xenophobic
stuck harbor
oh we cancelled exams in november
onyx loom
oh yea i dont get that
prisma wave
you got lucky
errant geyser
Hes a right wanker
stuck harbor
so did Scotland and northern ireland
onyx loom
teachers really do be "i hope ur not missing college!"
stuck harbor
Hes a right wanker
so are many of my English friends
prisma wave
I had a meeting with my head teacher "I hope you aren't in too much distress ove...
yeah my results were better than they would've been if i'd done the exams lmao
stuck harbor
let's be honest, most british people are wankers
errant geyser
I'm thinking the same
errant geyser
let's be honest, most british people are wankers
Accurate
ocean quartz
I had a meeting with my head teacher "I hope you aren't in too much distress ove...
Some people actually get distressed with that, since they study a lot
onyx loom
studying is for the weak 🙄
prisma wave
the only thing I study is elara stacktraces
stuck harbor
if ya need to study, ya didn't learn it well enough
surreal quarry
wise
errant geyser
Surely since they study a lot having the exams cancelled would bring relief at not having to do that as much?
Idk
onyx loom
possibly
stuck harbor
coursework is better anyway
onyx loom
unless their predicted grades were absolute shite
errant geyser
One of my friends is really freaking out, but thats just because she's scared they'll mark her down because she forgot to submit one peice of homework
stuck harbor
my predicted grades were always bad cause I lived in a poor area
prisma wave
i doubt it
stuck harbor
and went to one of the worst schools in Wales yeet
remote goblet
I didnt go to school at all in year 10 and 11 and did it matter? no because i got the same grades i would of had i of gone in
remote goblet
yeah i wouldnt of passed maths and I ez passed english
errant geyser
My predicted grades are all high. My maths grade is basically unachievable for me, but yknow, if I get it I ain't complaining
ocean quartz
You don't have participation?
prisma wave
same here
stuck harbor
predicted grades*
prisma wave
it's weird
errant geyser
Thats me rn.
ocean quartz
Fun fact I had pretty good grades in secondary, but failed because i skipped classes too much lmao
errant geyser
My predicted is an A, but in exams I always get either low As or a B for whatever reason, even though I know all the content and can answer it perfectly fine in a mock mock
stuck harbor
my GCSE CS course was basically just doing inefficient python and explaining the fetch execute cycle
errant geyser
Fun fact I had pretty good grades in secondary, but failed because i skipped cla...
420, what ya smokin
stuck harbor
very useful wjec thanks 👍
ocean quartz
420, what ya smokin
Depression
errant geyser
F
prisma wave
my GCSE CS course was basically just doing inefficient python and explaining the...
lmao
errant geyser
Wasn't prepared for that one tbh
prisma wave
that's what we're doing in A levels
onyx loom
sMh MaTt ThOsE GrAdEs WilL AfFeCt YoU FoR thE ReSt Of uR LiFe!!!
stuck harbor
writing inefficient python is difficult honestly
errant geyser
A level CS isn't that hard
stuck harbor
lol GCSE at least doesn't matter
onyx loom
very useful wjec thanks 👍
omg wjec is awful
stuck harbor
a levels, sure for a uni course
onyx loom
i had it for gcse cs too
stuck harbor
haha
errant geyser
I did OCR
ocean quartz
Was actually pretty sad, I had 90% in programming, but was all for nothing because i skipped the other boring classes xD
stuck harbor
I almost accidentally took all my exams in Welsh haha
onyx loom
we had to do the python aswell for the NEA, but wasnt even gonna get graded
so i didnt do it 😊
prisma wave
nice
errant geyser
My NEA report was so long
And it didn't even matter
I put like 8 hours into that
stuck harbor
oof
errant geyser
Anyway, nice seeing you all. Ill check in next year
stuck harbor
haha cya 👋
onyx loom
cya 😔
onyx loom
showcase forEach and collections soon™️
onyx loom
😮
errant geyser
Poggers
I actually would contribute, but that would require me to fix whatever I've done to my GOPATH and GOROOT, and apologise for however I've hurt GoLand
onyx loom
i forgot i installed go
stuck harbor
https://imgur.com/a/ZA59rsM poggers?
onyx loom
lets learn together katsu 🙂
errant geyser
I've got caught up in Cyber Security stuff though, so that might have to go on hold for a while
Me
I changed my nick here to kotsumag when I had Nitro in honour of Kotlin
prisma wave
https://imgur.com/a/ZA59rsM poggers?
pogchamp
onyx loom
very honourable
half harness
honorable > honourable
onyx loom
😐
stuck harbor
noh
errant geyser
Nein
stuck harbor
honerable
errant geyser
^