dev-general

[obtuse gale]

Vault is just a common API

Plugins like EssentialsX or GemsEconomy for economy, LuckPerms or GroupManager for "chat" and permissions, etc implement it and provide the actual system

[surreal quarry]

thats unfortunate lmao i have a lot more work to do

[obtuse gale]

lol

[surreal quarry]

thanks lol

[ocean quartz]

Huh, i thought apply would infer the variable as it while with would do it as this, but both does this

[surreal quarry]

also does it i believe

[ocean quartz]

Yeah

This stuff gets confusing, the difference between also and apply is just
Also: block: (T) -> Unit
Apply: block: T.() -> Unit
One extends the other receives

[obtuse gale]

PECS Kotlin version? 👀

[ocean quartz]

What is PECS? xD

[obtuse gale]

Producer extends Consumer super

For generic wildcards

Dammit

https://stackoverflow.com/a/4343547/8083725

[ocean quartz]

Oooh, i don't think that's the same thing, the equivalent to that in Kotlin is probably in, out, where

[obtuse gale]

where

[ocean quartz]

From the docs an example of where:

fun <T> copyWhenGreater(list: List<T>, threshold: T): List<String>
    where T : CharSequence,
          T : Comparable<T> {
    return list.filter { it > threshold }.map { it.toString() }
}

[obtuse gale]

[ocean quartz]

Same

Haven't really gotten into generics in Kotlin yet but<? extends T> would be <out T> and <? super T> would be <in T>

[obtuse gale]

I see

I might one day try to do something in kotlin

but I like verbose languages lol

[ocean quartz]

Do it, it's fun
Once you get used to the syntax it's pretty hard to go back to Java
For me the main things in it are extensions, the primary constructor with default values, the when, and smart casting
Everything else is great too but this are the stuff i like the most
when is like switch on overdrive

[surreal quarry]

so question if I wanted to be the "backend" for vault would I make a class that implements Economy and provide the logic for those methods myself

[obtuse gale]

great question

https://github.com/Xanium1/GemsEconomy/blob/master/src/main/java/me/xanium/gemseconomy/vault/VaultHandler.java https://github.com/Xanium1/GemsEconomy/blob/master/src/main/java/me/xanium/gemseconomy/vault/GEVaultHook.java 🌝

[surreal quarry]

ah thank you

[obtuse gale]

Basically you extend AbstractEconomy (and override everything lol) and register an instance of that class as Economy in the services manager

You will want to loadbefore Vault instead of (soft)depend

And register that shit on PluginEnableEvent for Vault

so plugins that depend on economy will have it provided already

[surreal quarry]

awesome thanks

[quiet depot]

make an issue pls

[obtuse gale]

don

providing support be like

[obtuse gale]

I wanna make cool website but I dont wanna do frontend

[quiet depot]

cool websites are 99% frontend

[obtuse gale]

yeah but like

i wanna do cool functionality backend wise lol

[quiet depot]

just use bootstrap then

[obtuse gale]

I am

I still feel pain

[quiet depot]

how

bootstrap is ez

just don't use any custom css

[hot hull]

Just get gud Aj

[quiet depot]

yea

[hot hull]

Holy shit it's snowing!

[quiet depot]

i thought that's what it does over there

what's so surprising about that

[hot hull]

We've had jack shit snow lately

[obtuse gale]

lol snow

[quiet depot]

34 here atm

and very not snowy

[obtuse gale]

anyway

like bruh why is there a white background and a black border there

like tf

[regal gale]

?

[hot hull]

I do not like that naming Piggy

DbObject ew

[quiet depot]

o

it's an annotation

[hot hull]

DatabaseObject or DBObject

yw

[quiet depot]

you're not meant to use caps on abbreviations iirc

i'll need to check the conventions

[hot hull]

make it DatabaseObject then

idk atleast to me DbObject is ew

Do let me know what thy conventions state

[quiet depot]

yeah there's no convention

[hot hull]

hmm

[distant sun]

@ThisIsADatabaseObject

[obtuse gale]

@ObjectOfThyDatabase

[hot hull]

Ah yes let's just start using medieval naming for shit :))

[quiet depot]

got rid of the annotation

didn't need it

be happy

[hot hull]

smexy

[inner kite]

Anyone have a second to look at some sort of TOS I made for my private plugin commissions & give some feedback? Is only 3 dot points but want to make sure I haven’t missed anything & that it’s fair

[hot hull]

Go ahead and paste that bad boy

[inner kite]

1 sec

1. I will answer any questions you have about how to use this plugin. (In-game commands, setup, config files, etc)
2. I will fix bugs or do small tweaks free of charge for 3 months after payment is received. After 3 months has passed I expect that you have thoroughly tested the plugin and are happy with the way it functions and therefore will discontinue support.
3. I do not give provide source code with most plugins nor do I allow you to decompile any plugins I make without explicit permission. If I have sufficient evidence of you decompiling I will not fix any further bugs or make any further changes for you. If you wish to purchase source code this can be discussed.

[quiet depot]

point 3 is stupid and should be removed

it's unenforceable, and unnecessarily limiting

[inner kite]

Aight

[hot hull]

Selling source code

That's scummy

imo

[quiet depot]

yeah

[inner kite]

Sigh

[quiet depot]

I always provide source code with the binary

[hot hull]

"with the binary" 😂

[quiet depot]

as far as I'm concerned, once I send it, that code is theirs

[inner kite]

I legit just based it off another few devs

[quiet depot]

I may have written it but it completely belongs to them

[inner kite]

Anything else?

[quiet depot]

add a time frame to point 1

also discuss refunds and chargebacks

[inner kite]

Will do

What do you suggest for refunds/chargebacks

[quiet depot]

i'll show u my tos 2 secs

[inner kite]

tysm

[quiet depot]

seems my site broke

[inner kite]

lmao np np

[hot hull]

imagine having a TOS, couldn't be me

[inner kite]

xD

[quiet depot]

https://piggypiglet.me/#tos - if you've visited my site before and this link isn't working, force reload it (ctrl + shift + r)

it's relatively open

things like support timeframes I discuss with the client

[inner kite]

Hmm yeah rightio

[hot hull]

Would it not make more sense to have a the in here?

Failure to complete the product in accordance to the provided specification, and unwillingness to resolve said issues.

[quiet depot]

yeah

just a typo

fixed

[hot hull]

:sad:

[quiet depot]

😦

i need to add docdex to my portfolio

[pallid gale]

nice website

design looks nice

[hot hull]

I need to make a portfolio site at some point

[quiet depot]

yeah some rando designed it for me

didn't even have to pay for it

what a pleb

[pallid gale]

what a steal

[quiet depot]

the pleb should probably start charging for these designs

[hot hull]

oh yea I gotta do something rq

[quiet depot]

they're great

[hot hull]

Which color are we feeling today?

[pallid gale]

aqua

[quiet depot]

-#ff3231

[hot hull]

don't got an aqua, just a blue one

a

[quiet depot]

b

[hot hull]

c

[quiet depot]

ew

[hot hull]

yea it's a gif so it sets the background to black ;C

[quiet depot]

what even is your pfp

like what animal is it meant to be

[pallid gale]

didn't i colour those hearts?

[quiet depot]

is it a panda?

[hot hull]

yes and yes

[quiet depot]

wew

[pallid gale]

pig i found ur christmas avatar from last year

[quiet depot]

is this it?

[pallid gale]

indeed that

[quiet depot]

I have this

I don't know when I used it

[hot hull]

lol

[pallid gale]

o

[hot hull]

:sad:

:even bigger sad:

[obtuse gale]

Wait hold yp

That's a heart?!?!?

[hot hull]

What did you think it was?

[obtuse gale]

I thought you were just vomiting stuff all the time

[hot hull]

lmao

[distant sun]

PluginManager#isPluginEnabled is better

Wrong channel

[obtuse gale]

which channel is the right channel

?

[hot hull]

@quiet depot 🤢 https://paste.helpch.at/ozefixiqaq.java

[quiet depot]

@hot hull is that your code?

[hot hull]

Yes

[quiet depot]

please tell me this is at least 6 months old

cache your methods dude

oh those are private

o ur calling them

[hot hull]

So much nicer :c https://paste.helpch.at/oxilehokol.php

[quiet depot]

i'm stupid

[hot hull]

I mean I kinda wanna just yeet legacy support lmao

Then I don't have to fuck around with reflection

[quiet depot]

what plugin is it?

[hot hull]

Actions lib

https://github.com/Frcsty/FrozenActions

[quiet depot]

smh

just printing stacktrace

frosty what have I told you

[hot hull]

I mean it shouldn't ever throw an exception, since it'd error out before it even reaches that

[quiet depot]

k

[hot hull]

emphasis on shouldn't

[distant sun]

has anybody complete AOC?

[hot hull]

Pulse has

[distant sun]

what's the image?

[obtuse gale]

Assistant of corn

[prisma wave]

Yeah, I will, will probably cover bitwises later as they're not very useful at first

[hot hull]

@distant sun! https://github.com/Frcsty/FrozenActions

[distant sun]

nice

https://github.com/Frcsty/FrozenActions/blob/java/src/main/java/com/github/frcsty/frozenactions/util/DefaultFontInfo.java#L5 why

[prisma wave]

Oh god

[hot hull]

lol

[quiet depot]

frosty do I need to remove ur dev role

[distant sun]

yes

[hot hull]

What, why

[quiet depot]

you're not following naming conventions

and gamestate is useless

[hot hull]

Imagine reading my messages eeee

[quiet depot]

link them

[hot hull]

#off-topic

[quiet depot]

yeah nah cba to scroll

[hot hull]

#off-topic message

[distant sun]

https://github.com/Frcsty/FrozenActions/blob/java/src/main/java/com/github/frcsty/frozenactions/util/Extensions.java#L24 cant just return the value?

[hot hull]

Also, cough https://github.com/iGabyTM/Util-Actions/blob/master/src/main/java/me/gabytm/util/actions/utils/DefaultFontInfo.java

[distant sun]

?

[hot hull]

Also cough (Made by BM iirc) https://github.com/Frcsty/FrozenJoin/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/com/github/frcsty/library/util/DefaultFontInfo.kt

[distant sun]

idk what you are talking about lol

[hot hull]

The naming conventions..

[distant sun]

Is not what I mean lol

[hot hull]

Talking about what Piggy said :p

[distant sun]

"UPPER_X" "LOWER_X" @quiet depot ?

[hot hull]

Indeed

[distant sun]

or CAPITAL_X and X

[prisma wave]

i am proud to say ive never made anything like that

whoever made this was someone much more masochistic

[hot hull]

I'm like 80% sure it was you

[prisma wave]

considering gaby's one literally has the author in the javadocs im gonna say it wasn't me

or maybe i converted it

but i would never write anything like that

[hot hull]

You converted it yea, meaning it's your fault as well for not following conventions!

[prisma wave]

absolutely not

i was probably so disgusted i refused to look at it

use a hashmap btw for the getDefaultFontInfo

[hot hull]

Hmm, perhaps

[oak coyote]

It still get confused why inline if statements go false : true

It seems backwards

[prisma wave]

what

[oak coyote]

Or am I losing my mind I can’t remember honestly

[lunar cypress]

[oak coyote]

I haven’t looked at it recently

[static zealot]

hello developers. I'm a developer ||not|| and just wanted to say hi. 👋

[oak coyote]

I swear inline if statements go in that order though

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/13-05-33.png

wdym by inline if

@hot hull hash map is 7x faster

[static zealot]

than?

[lunar cypress]

that's not a conclusive statement from that code alone

[prisma wave]

linear search

no it's not

it's a microbenchmark

but still

[oak coyote]

return ? state “False” : “True”

[prisma wave]

oh the ternary

no it goes true false?

[static zealot]

yes

[oak coyote]

Does it?

[static zealot]

wait no

[oak coyote]

Then I’m losing my mind

[lunar cypress]

condition ? true-branch : false-branch

[prisma wave]

a ? true : false

[static zealot]

yes its true then false

[oak coyote]

Ohhhhh

I just reread my code

I flipped my boolean without realising

Ignore me

[hot hull]

Interesante BM

[prisma wave]

indeed

as Johnny said it's not conclusive

[lunar cypress]

what did you test exactly?

[prisma wave]

picked a random character 10000 times, compared linear searching and a hashmap lookup

https://img.bristermitten.me/13-08-25.png

it's very much a microbenchmark

[lunar cypress]

oh, well ok

[prisma wave]

and not particularly accurate

but still

[lunar cypress]

you don't even needto benchmark that

[prisma wave]

yeah

I was just curious

since with small things it's gonna be neglible, whereas this enum has quite a lot of constants

[lunar cypress]

fair

[prisma wave]

could be even faster with an Array instead of hashmap in theory

[lunar cypress]

How would you model that with an array

[prisma wave]

just use the chars as an index i guess

[lunar cypress]

ew

[prisma wave]

yeah

[hot hull]

Big ew

[prisma wave]

still im curious

[lunar cypress]

That will make close to no difference to a HashMap

I would predict

[oak coyote]

Did you get a result yet?

[prisma wave]

maybe not

[hot hull]

I love how everyone immediately judged my GameState class :(((

[static zealot]

😮

[lunar cypress]

needless to say you shouldn't do it that way in practice for other reasons

[prisma wave]

yeah it's messy

i would never do anything like that

except possibly once or twice in elara's lexer

[hot hull]

Jucky

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/13-18-50.png

yeah doesn't seem to make a massive difference

even on a large scale

it was an interesting experiment still

[hot hull]

The more you know

[prisma wave]

anyway back to what i should have been doing

[hot hull]

Sleeping?

[quiet depot]

no

making a video

[prisma wave]

cant do that rn, at a pc with shitty mic

i'll do it on wednesday

[lunar cypress]

what video

[quiet depot]

bm wants to make java tutorials

[prisma wave]

gonna try and make a java/plugin course that's actually good

[lunar cypress]

uh oh

good luck with that

[prisma wave]

yeah it might be cursed

but worth a try

[quiet depot]

johnny it'd be awesome if you could take a look at the script and stuff

[prisma wave]

^

ill probably redo a lot of the slides

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11irjGreXzUdavS5xNBg45ZU-VCtWngv41eCYEAbaRSA/edit?usp=sharing

but this is the plan so far

for structure

[steel heart]

Hmm you gonna write all that?

[quiet depot]

bm accept my edit request pls

[prisma wave]

i have no idea how to do that

[quiet depot]

i can't even remember what I wanted to edit

check ur email

[steel heart]

Mail

[prisma wave]

not all in advance, but yeah

ah okay

1 sec

google docs is good but the UI sucks compared to word

ok added you pig

[quiet depot]

thx

[prisma wave]

added yugi too since he requested it

[hot hull]

Db stuff pl0x, ktnxbye

[prisma wave]

wut

oh

yes

[lunar cypress]

curriculum looks well thought out

[prisma wave]

thanks

[old wyvern]

Do the requests not expire on docs? xD I think that was from yesterday night during the suggestion mode

[quiet depot]

bm didn't you have the scripts for the first few episodes?

or was it just the powerpoints

[prisma wave]

I had the powerpoints and a few notes

[prisma wave]

apparently not lol

[old wyvern]

welp

[prisma wave]

yeah, i wanna start with the basics but use spigot to teach the more advanced things, as it's a good example of OOP in practice, and a much more visual environment to learn with

making plugins is more exciting than a CLI number guessing game

[lunar cypress]

certainly

[hot hull]

I see you trying to make FJ BM!

[lunar cypress]

Making these will be a lot of effort

[prisma wave]

yes!

[lunar cypress]

Have you made plans on timing and so on yet

[prisma wave]

yeah it will take time but I can record 1-2 per week at least

timing?

[quiet depot]

episode length

[prisma wave]

oh right

[lunar cypress]

Yeah that and when the stuff comes out

[prisma wave]

probably fairly short, 5-15 minutes for simple things, maybe 20-25 for something more detailed

[lunar cypress]

You should definitely get a few people to help edit the video notes/script

[prisma wave]

well you guys are pretty good candidates lol

[quiet depot]

I'm happy to help with the scripting side of things

[frigid badge]

where's docker and kubernetes, smh those are very basic things

[lunar cypress]

lol

[prisma wave]

sorry 😔

[frigid badge]

and extremely relevant

[quiet depot]

lemmo you're in charge of the sys administration series

[prisma wave]

^

docker tutorial

[frigid badge]

lmao

even though I'm ass in sys administration

[lunar cypress]

I honestly can't take this seriously if you don't introduce the divine religion of Haskell in the first 3 videos.

[quiet depot]

lol

[frigid badge]

I agree

[hot hull]

Oh god

[frigid badge]

Haskell is a must

[prisma wave]

Every episode "this would be a lot cleaner if it was in something like Haskell btw"

[old wyvern]

Final Episode: Upgrade to Elara

[prisma wave]

obviously

[hot hull]

Kek

[frigid badge]

just whenever you get an error because you forgot something: "Yeah fuck oop let's use haskell"

[quiet depot]

BM, for learning the spigot api, you could go through my challenges https://github.com/PiggyPiglet/Challenges

[prisma wave]

good idea

[quiet depot]

doesn't really go with your essentials idea

the end result is a kitpvp plugin

[prisma wave]

meh

[quiet depot]

but the effect is the same

[prisma wave]

it can be both

essentials + kitpvp

what are your thoughts on a format? because my original intention was to have a slideshow which works on its own, if someone doesn't want to watch videos, and then I just narrate over and show how it's done in an IDE or something. But maybe it would be better to go video only, with the slides just being for notes + graphics

[hot hull]

Ew!

[prisma wave]

ooh need a lesson on arrow code bad

[frigid badge]

-,- Call to undefined method Closure::handle() no u

[hot hull]

And those variable names, absolutely hideous

[quiet depot]

it might be hard to integrate the slides into a video

[frigid badge]

timestamps

[prisma wave]

yeah that's what im worried about

i bought an unreal course that had slides for the theory and then they switched into an IDE for the coding bit

which seems like the best way of doing it

[lunar cypress]

I think one of the most important things is definitely writing the videos in text form up front. Not necessarily a 1:1 transcription but rather a textual tutorial for the same topics. That way you have an additional resource you can update later on (which is much harder with videos)

[prisma wave]

Very good point

[frigid badge]

And this is how MittenCourses.com became a thing

[prisma wave]

😮

mineacademy 2

[old wyvern]

oh god

[static zealot]

oh no

[lunar cypress]

Please put up a banner on the front page that says "The problem with kangarko's courses is that you eventually run out of people to scam"

[frigid badge]

lmfao

[prisma wave]

lmfao

he'd probably try sue or something

[lunar cypress]

Just quoting historical figures

[prisma wave]

or write an angry blog post about how mean everyone is to him

[quiet depot]

"The death of the internet, someone wrote a mean thing about me"

[frigid badge]

lmao

[old wyvern]

"The problem with 'a certain someone, who shall not be named for legal reasons, whose name has similarities with Kangaroo''s courses is that you eventually run out of people to scam"

[prisma wave]

lmao

any resemblance to actual persons is purely coincidental

[old wyvern]

xD

[frigid badge]

don't say Kangaroo describe it

[lunar cypress]

"Kangaroo" is IP

[frigid badge]

the name of a creature who has a large population in australia and loves to hop around

[quiet depot]

a creature, hopping from one post to another to plug his paid course

[frigid badge]

it has a sack for babies

[prisma wave]

🤣

[old wyvern]

"The problem with 'a certain someone, who shall not be named for legal reasons, whose name has similarities with the name of an animal defined by "a large plant-eating marsupial with a long powerful tail and strongly developed hindlimbs that enable it to travel by leaping, found only in Australia and New Guinea."''s courses is that you eventually run out of people to scam"

[prisma wave]

perfect

[onyx loom]

lmao

[frigid badge]

lmao

[prisma wave]

"The Death of HelpChat"

[old wyvern]

lmao

[static zealot]

Can I make a guess?

[prisma wave]

All across the world we see one trend. Governments want to ruin hobbyists and small entrepreneurs, forcing them to go out of business by imposing restrictions and lockdowns.
HelpChat has recently seemingly joined the team.

[old wyvern]

idk can you?

[static zealot]

its a kangaroo ?

[old wyvern]

Exactly

[static zealot]

omg I'm so good

[frigid badge]

inb4 he says we're secret agents

[old wyvern]

lol

[quiet depot]

he quoted ghandi for spigot

who will he quote for us

[prisma wave]

and margaret thatcher

nelson mandela maybe?

[frigid badge]

probably

I wonder if he pays someone to write that

like how do you come up with it

[static zealot]

ugh

[lunar cypress]

he definitely wrote that himself

[static zealot]

I feel like he's the type of person

that could come up with that

by himself

[frigid badge]

he should make some courses about that

lmao

[prisma wave]

you can tell because there's no structure or actual point at all

it's just him whining and quoting people

[frigid badge]

I haven't actually read it though

[prisma wave]

https://mineacademy.org/the-death-of-spigotmc/

[lunar cypress]

you're not missing out on anything

[hot hull]

You aren't missing much Lemmo

[static zealot]

lmaoo

TRUTH EXPOSED

[frigid badge]

I'd rather finish with this crap:
https://i.lemmotresto.com/2020-12-28--08-47-54am.png

if it wants to fucking work

ffs

[prisma wave]

php 🥶

[frigid badge]

yes end me pls

[quiet depot]

imagine not using rich presence

[frigid badge]

I don't use it since it's work

[hot hull]

Lemmo

[quiet depot]

imagine not using rich presence at work

[frigid badge]

I use it for hobby projects

[hot hull]

Ever heard of spaces!

[static zealot]

@prisma wave I didn't see that until now. Please end my life

[prisma wave]

it's amazing isn't it?

[static zealot]

SpigotMC has recently seemingly joined the team.

[quiet depot]

frosty it's php, aesthetic is irrelevant

[static zealot]

how the hell

[lunar cypress]

"Judge a man not by his shady business tactics, but by his total plugin downloads on SpigotMC." will be the introduction of his next article

[static zealot]

can you compare spigot

[prisma wave]

LITERAL tyrrany!!!

[quiet depot]

and the buyer count of his course johnny

[prisma wave]

spigot HATES small businesses!!!!

[lunar cypress]

huge if true 😡

[hot hull]

I sadly know someone who bought his course

Fortunately he has enough braincells that he chargedback

[prisma wave]

good

[hot hull]

Like 200$ you know how much pizza that is

[quiet depot]

eh not really a fan of chargebacks for anyone that isn't a legitimate scammer

[static zealot]

ok

I don't think I can read all this

just the first 3 lines

were enough

[prisma wave]

i got up to the thatcher quote and stopped reading

[frigid badge]

btw frosty how is the lambo

[hot hull]

Piggy, I mean he is a legitemate scammer, 200$ for a course which teaches you absolutely jack shit

[lunar cypress]

oh he did get a refund? Last time I checked the TOS said something along the lines of "if you don't make a decent effort with the course (which we will be evaluating) you don't get a refund"

[onyx loom]

200 bags of haribos

[hot hull]

Lemmo, it's snowing, shoulda bought some winter tires

[prisma wave]

tf?

[lunar cypress]

not kidding

[frigid badge]

ah too bad

[lunar cypress]

hold on let me check if they have new TOS

they would literally monitor how much and when you watched the course

Ok, it's still mostly the same but I think they've put it slightly more leniently

[onyx loom]

😂😂

🤔

[prisma wave]

A place without ads

[prisma wave]

oh the irony

[static zealot]

omg please stop guys

I can't

[steel heart]

Bruh bruh bruh bruh

[lunar cypress]

they still don't seem to have an imprint

[static zealot]

how the fuck does he say that md is envious ?

I don’t think that further explanation is needed.

yes it is

[prisma wave]

but they said they dont make money!!!

they must be envious!!

[lunar cypress]

but look, I threw together some screenshots of md using the word idiot!

owned 😎

[prisma wave]

ben kangarko DESTROYS triggered spigotmc user with FACTS and LOGIC

[static zealot]

I love this “I’m a superior and you’re a peasant, I’m not going to deal with your garbage.”

referring to this https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/treating-developers-fairly-a-discussion.477722/page-6#post-4025197

lmaoo

This is a public insult to the entire Minecraft community and the thousands of developers spending hundreds of thousands of hours coding their plugins.

lmaooo

fuck

why the hell am I still reading this

[prisma wave]

it's a cesspit

[steel heart]

[static zealot]

wait a second

this is so fucking bs

he sais: In 2020, the USD value has plummeted

but google says $1 in 2019 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $1.02 today, an increase of $0.02 over 2 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 0.89% per year between 2019 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 1.79%.

which is the same as 2018-2019

[steel heart]

[static zealot]

so either he is stupid or he can't google

[prisma wave]

wtf is he even on about at this point

[static zealot]

In 2020, the USD value has plummeted, and numerous authors making a significant income from SpigotMC simply asked to have the price cap increased

but

[lunar cypress]

that's startup tech bros for you

[prisma wave]

@quiet depot if the course is going on the HC channel (not sure if it is or not), do you want me to use my discord or HC for support? or both ofc

[static zealot]

but like the value of the usd had the same value decrease as last year

what course?

[prisma wave]

java course

[static zealot]

oh you making a java course?

[prisma wave]

hopefully

yea

[static zealot]

ooo

[stuck harbor]

nice

[vague canopy]

How long does it take for spigot to take my payment?

[static zealot]

well time to save some money

lmao

[prisma wave]

no idea

[vague canopy]

I bought the guilds plugin but I can't download it lol

[stuck harbor]

give it a while

[prisma wave]

it's almost definitely gonna be free on youtube or something

[static zealot]

not much. I know paypal sometimes just holds the payment for 24 hours

[vague canopy]

should I make a ticket here?

[static zealot]

ah. ok nice

[static zealot]

what plugin you bought?

[vague canopy]

Guilds [30% Holiday Sale] 3.5.5.5

[static zealot]

ah

[quiet depot]

if you decide to put it on the hc channel, both I suppose

[static zealot]

Shawn nothing we can do.

[prisma wave]

if paypal / spigot is the problem there's not much we can do @vague canopy

[static zealot]

most likely paypal is holding the money

for 24 hours

[quiet depot]

keep in mind if it goes on hc, you’d still get full credit, like name in title

[static zealot]

I know this happened to glare a bit lately or something like that

[prisma wave]

Yeah fine by me

[vague canopy]

only problem is that I kinda need the plugin asap

[prisma wave]

if it gets big, any issues with me making a patreon for 1 to 1 support or something?

[static zealot]

well there's absolutely nothing we can do.

not even glare himself has anything he can do if PayPal put the money on hold.

[vague canopy]

The payment has been delivered

so Glare got the money

[prisma wave]

then the problem is probably on spigot's end

when did you send it?

[vague canopy]

10 minutes ago

[static zealot]

ah maybe.

[vague canopy]

probably spigot yes

[prisma wave]

give it a few more minutes then ig

if it's not there within 30 minutes maybe contact spigot

[static zealot]

Wait what the fuck?

this feels like a scam

I wanted to write a comment and connect with my spam google account but it doesn't actually connect me, it asks me to enter a password

but its https://disqus.com/

K done

https://i.imgur.com/gWDvXcl.png

lmao

[prisma wave]

lmao

[static zealot]

nothing more to say

lmao

wait

he deleted my comment?

ah nvm

this website is weird

my comment is at the bottom now

[quiet depot]

it’s yours, you can do whatever you want

[prisma wave]

okay, just making sure

[onyx loom]

kangarko ideology has been inserted into u 👀

[prisma wave]

no

[old wyvern]

Mittencademy

🥲

[prisma wave]

coming 2021

AcademyMine

[old wyvern]

xD

Elaracademy

[prisma wave]

😮

can someone test discord.bristermitten.me real quick

it's working in wget but not on browser

[onyx loom]

ye is fine

[prisma wave]

takes you to my discord?

[prisma wave]

ok great

ty

it just redirect me to discord.com

[onyx loom]

chrome cache possibly?

idk

[prisma wave]

i tried to clear it but probably

[half harness]

edge > chrome

[lunar cypress]

this ain't it lmao

[stuck harbor]

this aint it cheif

[prisma wave]

yeah definitely not

[stuck harbor]

use firefox or use death

[half harness]

;-;

it's literally based off of chromium but faster

Just make sure to switch the search engine to google

[ocean quartz]

It's not based off of chromium, it is chromium lol

[half harness]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[weary epoch]

ayyyy new server icon

[onyx loom]

not new

the old one was christmas theme

[weary epoch]

im tier II LETS GO

i can post images

omg im so happy

[onyx loom]

ok

[weary epoch]

@prisma wave what is that plugin you use to make your code more colorful becuase it looks cooler

[hot hull]

Rainbow Brackets is what you should download

Otherwise it's Material theme

[weary epoch]

i already use material theme

but the color of the actual code doesnt really change

[onyx loom]

u need to change the theme in the settings then

settings > material theme > theme (> atom one dark )

[weary epoch]

i did that

[onyx loom]

ss?

[weary epoch]

it is different

i can see that

just not different enough

[onyx loom]

but the color of the actual code doesnt really change
?

im not seeing ur point

[weary epoch]

idk dw about it

[prisma wave]

send a ss

[weary epoch]

https://prnt.sc/wblrq4

[onyx loom]

thats darcula theme

not any material themes

settings > material theme > theme (> atom one dark )

[prisma wave]

^

[weary epoch]

https://prnt.sc/wblshj

material theme aint there

[half harness]

press plugins

[prisma wave]

Appearance and Behaviour

[half harness]

wut

no

[prisma wave]

Material Theme

He has it installed already dkim

I think

[weary epoch]

okay done

[weary epoch]

i selected atom one dark

[prisma wave]

Yeah

[half harness]

welp ok

[prisma wave]

that works too

[half harness]

o

k

[weary epoch]

OMG

[half harness]

now send ss

🙂

[weary epoch]

im in love

[prisma wave]

ikr

It's so hot

[onyx loom]

🤣

[weary epoch]

https://prnt.sc/wbltfg

[half harness]

xD

XDD

[weary epoch]

this is the best theme

[half harness]

yes

ikr

[weary epoch]

how do i get this o pycharm as well?

[onyx loom]

the same prob

[prisma wave]

Exactly the same process

[weary epoch]

lets go

[onyx loom]

afaik material theme is available on all jetbrains IDEs

[prisma wave]

IJ and Pycharm are pretty much the same project with slightly different UI, so most plugins work across all of them

[weary epoch]

IDEA is a cool company

[old wyvern]

false

[weary epoch]

:( why

are u a eclipse fan >:(

[old wyvern]

IDEA is not a company

Jetbrains is

[weary epoch]

oh my bad

yeah i meant to say jetbrains

[half harness]

🤣

IntelliJ IDEA

[weary epoch]

shhhhhh

we dont talk abt that

i get confused

[half harness]

dw im busy winning skywars duels

🙂

im master 2

[weary epoch]

iit worked

it doesnt have 2 messages

[obtuse gale]

i need help

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @obtuse gale!

[half harness]

lol

[obtuse gale]

i have no life idk what to do

@compact perch larry is still better

😩

[weary epoch]

im gonna sound stupid

but whats placeholderAPI do?

[half harness]

add placeholders

[weary epoch]

what is that

[half harness]

like %player_health%

or something

[weary epoch]

oh

that seems more that just essential

[half harness]

theres a wiki 😉

[weary epoch]

that seems like lots of plugins absolutely require it

[half harness]

ye

btw sry for late response, I was playing bridge

🙂

but i beat them 5-0

[weary epoch]

thats cool

i think imma play some bedwars

[half harness]

hypixel?

whats ur ign :>

[weary epoch]

no

[half harness]

oh

:<

[weary epoch]

im banned on hypickel

[half harness]

wut

ew hacker

[weary epoch]

for advertising

when i was 8

[half harness]

WUT

lol

wut

then that means ur still 8

[weary epoch]

not all bans are hacks

[half harness]

👀

[weary epoch]

no this was years ago

[half harness]

but ur still banned?

[weary epoch]

yeah

i appealed it

[half harness]

how long?!

[weary epoch]

and they denied it

which is dumb

[half harness]

isn't it just 30 days

[weary epoch]

bc your supposed to get perm muted

not banneed

but back then it was a ban

so that sucks

[half harness]

perm ban?

[weary epoch]

yeah

[half harness]

how good r u at pvp :>

[weary epoch]

amazing

[half harness]

really?

[weary epoch]

yeah

[half harness]

pvp.land ftw

go on pvp.land

:>

[weary epoch]

okay les go

[half harness]

wuts ur ign

[weary epoch]

Encription

[half harness]

tell me when ur on

[weary epoch]

im on

[half harness]

Player not found

r u on practice?

[weary epoch]

now i am

try again

[half harness]

k

[weary epoch]

@half harness

[half harness]

invite?

[weary epoch]

why is that stuck on my screen

[half harness]

lol

exit ur team/party

[weary epoch]

u exit

[half harness]

;-;

ima relog

i changed some things up

[weary epoch]

btw i get like 20 cps

[half harness]

in my .minecraft folder

WUT

[weary epoch]

same

[half harness]

I get like 12

do you double click

[weary epoch]

yeah

[half harness]

;-;

[weary epoch]

butterfly clicking

[half harness]

i butterfly

[weary epoch]

i can get up to 30

[half harness]

but cant double

[weary epoch]

my mouse can triple click sometimes

[half harness]

jeez

I use office mouse xD

join party

[weary epoch]

i invited u

sorry i was in a duel before

@half harness

maybe we should move to #off-topic

[onyx loom]

anyone understand this kappa

[prisma wave]

basically

you need to add the ability to generate different numbers in different cells

for example in the GUI menus

[hot hull]

Yea not possible tho

[obtuse gale]

oh no

[onyx loom]

but like

:what:

[hot hull]

A list menu

Is easiest way to explain it

[prisma wave]

yeah i have no idea either

[onyx loom]

😂

[hot hull]

The rng gives a random player, but there can't be twice of the same player

[onyx loom]

o

[hot hull]

But that's not possible because the placeholder has no recollection of other spots

[old wyvern]

What is that on?

[onyx loom]

papi rng expansion

[ocean quartz]

@prisma wave Have you ever tried any Kotlin sql lib?

[prisma wave]

Nah

I usually just use Hikari

[ocean quartz]

Would love to use something like Android's Dao but sounds like a lot of work to make it for sql stuff

[prisma wave]

hmm

There's Exposed

[ocean quartz]

Yeah i saw that one, but didn't like it too much

[frigid badge]

there's probably a hibernate kotlin variant

[prisma wave]

Normal hibernate works fine with kotlin too

[ocean quartz]

I mean doesn't need to be exactly a Kotlin thing

[frigid badge]

so just an orm

[ocean quartz]

Time to use Korm

[prisma wave]

Korm isn't an orm

misleading name lol

[ocean quartz]

I know was just a joke xD

[prisma wave]

https://giphy.com/gifs/disappear-4bpK2k0Yru5Us

[onyx loom]

u forgot the /s

[frigid badge]

you do have Ktorm

which is an orm

[prisma wave]

sounds like a Korm rip off

[hot hull]

Did someone say K||t||ORM

[prisma wave]

why would EditSession#getBlock be throwing an NPE

[hot hull]

Because we dumb

[prisma wave]

at com.boydti.fawe.bukkit.v1_8.BukkitQueue18R3.getCombinedId4Data(BukkitQueue18R3.java:360)

?

[distant sun]

good luck with that

[prisma wave]

stupid

absolutely ridiculous

[old wyvern]

Does it not work out of Android?

[ocean quartz]

It probably would but as far as i know, it's only for local storage, not mysql

[old wyvern]

So the issue is availability of MySql usage?

[ocean quartz]

Basically yeah

[old wyvern]

Alrighty

[hot hull]

What's wrong with hikari?

[obtuse gale]

u

[ocean quartz]

This is nothing to do with Hikari Frosty

If i made this i'd likely use Hikari for it

[hot hull]

Ohh, you wanna make something like that

[vague canopy]

is there a way to make guilds go to max 5 people in it

[ocean quartz]

Huh?

[vague canopy]

the guilds plugin

this is the discord support right?

[prisma wave]

#guilds

i dont have it but

this channel is for development discussion

[ocean quartz]

@vague canopy Head to #spigot-linking then to #guilds

[half harness]

Any way to create a tag/release on github using IntelliJ?

[onyx loom]

dont think so

[half harness]

k

in gradle how do I always use the latest version for dependencies?

bc I want my plugins to always use latest core version

[onyx loom]

group:artifact:+

[prisma wave]

noooooooooooo

nonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnno

nononononononononnonon

no

no

noooooooooooooooooooooooo

[onyx loom]

im just answering the question 💀

[prisma wave]

no excuses

[hot hull]

Although when it comes to annotations slap a + on that bad boy

[prisma wave]

you have sinned

🙄

[half harness]

?

[prisma wave]

elara buildtool is gonna ban +

[half harness]

im confused

[hot hull]

Uh oh

[half harness]

implementation 'com.github.dkim19375:dkim19375Core:0.0.0'

[frigid badge]

never use latest version instead just bump the number when necessary

[half harness]

what do I replace 0.0.0 with

[half harness]

y

[prisma wave]

an actual version

bruh

[hot hull]

Just keep the version as 1.0.0 and just bump the release

[prisma wave]

do i need to copy paste my explanation from earlier

[half harness]

BUT

I'm developing the core

[frigid badge]

no frosty shut up

[hot hull]

No buts

[half harness]

I'm too lazy to update my projects

[prisma wave]

because gradle builds are supposed to be reproducible
if you're always using the latest version, your build might suddenly break because one of the dependencies changed
so most of the time you should put a specific version

[half harness]

plus I prob will forget

[hot hull]

Let the man break his shit Lemmo ;(

[frigid badge]

no

[half harness]

why would it break?

[frigid badge]

make him learn stuff

[onyx loom]

i did give the answer 🙂

[frigid badge]

don't just start giving bad advice

help this man or just shut up

[hot hull]

He will when it breaks

I go now <3

[half harness]

why will it break though

[prisma wave]

lets say your plugin is using MyAPI.blah and you're depending on the latest version of MyAPI

the makers of MyAPI suddenly release an update that removes MyAPI.blah, and suddenly your build breaks because it's still using the latest version

[frigid badge]

#dev-general message

[half harness]

its not like its gonna update when I don't know

[surreal quarry]

because it’s the latest version which could introduce breaking changes

[onyx loom]

@half harness if u are to update ur core with many breaking changes, ur plugin that depends on the core will then break, due to removed methods, deprecated stuff, etc etc

[half harness]

the makers of core = me

[surreal quarry]

that’s exactly what it’s going to do

if you put the latest

[half harness]

umm

[prisma wave]

but are you going to remember to update every plugin using it?

[half harness]

FINEE

BUT

how do i do it

I WONT

but

i want ot know

🙂

[onyx loom]

i gave the answer

[prisma wave]

kaliber told you

[onyx loom]

🙂

[half harness]

oh

[surreal quarry]

lmao

[prisma wave]

🙄

[half harness]

huh?

[onyx loom]

up

[prisma wave]

dont do that though

[half harness]

?

[prisma wave]

bad idea

[onyx loom]

yes

[surreal quarry]

the mathematical symbol for addition

[onyx loom]

there u go

theres the answer

[half harness]

implementation 'com.github.dkim19375:dkim19375Core:0.0.0'

implementation 'com.github.dkim19375:dkim19375Core:+

[surreal quarry]

...

[prisma wave]

do not use that

[surreal quarry]

don’t do it

[prisma wave]

under almost any circumstances

[half harness]

IKKKK

[prisma wave]

ok

[half harness]

i think i know

[prisma wave]

just making sure 🙂

[half harness]

ok

[prisma wave]

don't use + btw

[half harness]

uh

ok

[surreal quarry]

• bad real version good

[prisma wave]

yes

[half harness]

0.0.0 has no code, its just to setup jitpack and all that

[prisma wave]

[half harness]

dw ill replace with 0.0.1

that has 1 static method - a sout

(to test shading)

so basically all I have to do:
add id 'com.github.johnrengelman.shadow' version '6.1.0' to plugins
run Tasks -> shadow -> shadowJar

right?

[prisma wave]

{
  dependencies: () => {
    shade("spigot-api", "1.16.4")
    provided("placeholderapi", "1.blah")
  }
}

this will be elara build tool

probably

not

unlikely

idk

[prisma wave]

yes

[half harness]

u should have told me

u made it so hard 😭

[surreal quarry]

read the docs

:)

[prisma wave]

how on earth did i make it complicated

make what complicated

[onyx loom]

ah yes, lets shade spigot api 🙂

[prisma wave]

yes

[surreal quarry]

shmart

[prisma wave]

50MB jar file

[hot hull]

Sm0rt

Just use pdm smh

[prisma wave]

just pdm it! 🙄

aww

beat me to it

[hot hull]

:))

[surreal quarry]

pdm >

[hot hull]

And I'm on mobile!

[onyx loom]

elara build tool will have automatic pdm integration yes

[prisma wave]

obviously

[old wyvern]

elara build tool generates the dependencies

🍴

[prisma wave]

elara build tool doesnt have support for shading, only pdm