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ocean thunder Dec 27, 2020, 1:49 PM

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hi

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I just linked my account manually, it says I have to sign up for a queue or something like that, how do I do?

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Go to clojure.org and read the first 10 pages of the docs

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That will tell you everything you need to do

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 3:13 PM

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@hot hull Trying to set custom skull as block? Give me a sec i have code for it

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Already did it

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 3:13 PM

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o

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Like 5 min after I asked that :p

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go judge https://github.com/Frcsty/TreasureHunt/tree/rewrite

GitHub

Frcsty/TreasureHunt

Contribute to Frcsty/TreasureHunt development by creating an account on GitHub.

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(action package is mostly just a copy paste of gaby's lib, gotta clean that up at some point)

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:01 PM

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i fucking hate php

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absolute garbage

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:02 PM

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thought it was nice for a moment

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:06 PM

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PHP is probably the worst programming language

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I can't think of any worse ones

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:06 PM

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its useful tho

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and its the programmers fault if any issues are encountered

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/s

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:07 PM

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no it's not

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Oh good

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r/lolphp is one of my favourite subreddits

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:08 PM

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php good language 10/6

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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I have to offload this process since the php script ends before this async function is finished

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which means it just stops

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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prisma wave PHP is probably the worst programming language

CLOJURE

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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no

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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YES

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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I know it's a running joke but clojure is genuinely a nice language to use

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:09 PM

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actually yes clojure

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i thought everyone hated lisps

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:10 PM

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people do until they use them

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:10 PM

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liar

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everyone hates them

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:10 PM

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apl is a nice language

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:10 PM

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and thats a fact

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:10 PM

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pff

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don't bash it until you've tried it

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Same goes for the "JavaScript bad" hivemind

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:11 PM

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i will NEVER try clojure

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:11 PM

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oh yeah honestly people bash js too much

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like python is way worse

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kbye

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 PM

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it still sucks though

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I don't have anything against either

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 PM

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only thing which makes it atleast somewhat nice is a shit load of linter rules and the latest es version

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 PM

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I've used python and have came to the conclusion that it sucks dick

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 PM

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python is nice for small things

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:12 PM

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what advantages does python even have honesty?

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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big ecosystem

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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except for small scripts

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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it's very easy to learn

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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lua is nice for small things

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but yes that's not lua's purpose

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ik

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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fix this 4 me kthx https://i.lemmotresto.com/2020-12-27--11-13-10am.png

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:13 PM

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🥶

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:14 PM

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ye kaliber main things python has going for it is community support/big ecosystem, misinformed love, and easy to learn

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but as far as languages go, it's really bad

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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it might be a good starting point

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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nah

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I say skip it entirely

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unless you have to learn it for a job/education

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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I kinda like JS's type system, like being able to define objects in pseudo JSON is nice

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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hmm yeah JS is probably a better starting point

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:15 PM

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python is definitely the easiest language to learn imo

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Or js

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:16 PM

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python is easier to learn

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js has a lot of hidden shit

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 4:16 PM

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frigid badge fix this 4 me kthx https://i.lemmotresto.com/2020-12-27--11-13-10am.png

we can't help unless you show a stacktrace! - Niall 2020

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:16 PM

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yeah it's more predictable

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:16 PM

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and plain js is ass

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you really need to preprocess it first

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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the js ecosystem and tooling stuff sucks

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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and should just purely be used for client side

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:17 PM

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Node is nice for small things imo

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Compared to the java / Kotlin ecosystem it's nice to be able to make a working discord bot in 1 file and 2 commands

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:20 PM

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what's the ideal language for small things like that

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something that isn't utter shit like js/python

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but can still be used as a scripting language for small things

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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kotlinscript 🥲

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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I thought the focus of that was for embedding

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:21 PM

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idk

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never used kts tbh

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:22 PM

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imo js is good for that sort of thing

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:22 PM

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yeah but I mean are there any languages that are objectively good design wise, and work for this sort of thing

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:23 PM

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elara

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:23 PM

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ideally ones with a large eco system

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or support from other languages

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:23 PM

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a language that's easy to get started with, and good for small script like things?

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npm init clojuremoon

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:24 PM

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this language should be easy, concise, and good (i.e. not python or js)

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good = good design

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you like clojure

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so clojure for example

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or kotlin

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:24 PM

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oh you mean personal preference?

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:24 PM

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typescript :]

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:24 PM

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oh yeah maybe typescript

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I haven't looked into it too much

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brister I mean objective goodness

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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hm

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well it's kind of subjective, i usually prefer dynamic languages for small things

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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typescript is just javascript with types

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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objectively

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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consistency within the design of the language, and adherence to the principles of a good language (if such things exist)

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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so then js is also good

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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Python arguably has that

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There aren't really any obvious other candidates

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yes but python is objectively shit

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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yeah I mean js is at least practical in my opinion

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:25 PM

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it's inconsistent and it's oop impl sucks

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:26 PM

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but you rarely need objects for small things

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:26 PM

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I don't think I've explained what I'm looking for very well

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:26 PM

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possibly not

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My go-to would be javascript, but that's objectively a badly designed language

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 4:26 PM

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possibly

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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yes so I'm looking for a language that's objectively well designed

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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basically combine a language like kotlin with a language like python that can be used for sma stuff

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Lua is good for scripting as far as I know, but it's tricky to learn

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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lua is meant to be easy to learn

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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oh maybe

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idk

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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lua is the ideal language, apart from one flaw

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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never used it

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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it's not meant for scripting

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it's meant for embedded usage

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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also arrays start at 1 don't they?

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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dunno

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can't remember

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haven't used lua for a while

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yeah they start with 1

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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Kotlin scripting is fine, but I think it's too verbose compared to others (no collection literals etc), and I would also prefer a dynamic language

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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conventionally

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it's not forced

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you can use 0

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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odd

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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brister dynamic languages are stupid

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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most of the time

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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it's meaninglessly limiting

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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but I like them for small things

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:28 PM

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dynamic typing is a part of static typing

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a good statically typed language will allow you to work dynamically

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to limit a language to only dynamic typing is counter intuitive

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:29 PM

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but for small things I'd prefer to not have to care about types at all

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For mathematical stuff Julia is very good

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but not so much for, say a discord bot

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:30 PM

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lua on the jvm

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it's perfect

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it already exists

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ima start using it

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:30 PM

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thonk

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:31 PM

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the perfect language actually exists 🤨

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:31 PM

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well no

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lua aint perfect

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it's still dynamically typed

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although there was a proposal spec for types

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sadly there's no impl afaik

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there's also things like arrays starting at 1 which don't really make sense

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:32 PM

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elara will solve this issue

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:33 PM

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we'll see

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:33 PM

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I would still say JavaScript is the perfect candidate for a simple language that's good for small scripts and apps - the language will fall apart on a large scale but imo it's perfect for stuff like this

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Discord.JS is very nice to use for example imo

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and while something like JDA would be better for a big thing, it's nice to not have to worry about gradle scripts or a fully fledged IDE

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not to mention because d.js is written in typescript you get actual meaningful IDE suggestions

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https://img.bristermitten.me/16-34-43.png

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or maybe it's written in js but has typescript bindings

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idk

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still

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the outcome is the same

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:35 PM

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okie

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Go is also a good candidate

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it compiles so quickly that it feels interpreted

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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oh shit vlang

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eh maybe not actually

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not yet at least

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haven't looked into go all that much

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I think vlang has the most potential for such a language, but it'll take years to build up that sort of ecosystem

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it's too new

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:40 PM

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yeah newer languages have a big disadvantage

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:40 PM

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go could be it

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:40 PM

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js and python's main strengths are similarity and ecosystem

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when Go has generics it'll be close to perfect

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:40 PM

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is that planned?

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:40 PM

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yeah, for Go 2

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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idk if that's smart

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go's known for simplicity

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generics can get complicated

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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how big is go anyway? ik its made by google so it must be pretty big right?

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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file size or like community shit

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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community

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users

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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pretty big

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it's used by a lot of big programs

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docker, kubernetes (i think)

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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docker is definitely go

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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pretty sure it powers google's advertising platform too

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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lemmo was telling us that the other day

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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yeah

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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prisma wave I would still say JavaScript is the perfect candidate for a simple language that...

Aah yes, JavaScript

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612873490709741577/791489722970538005/unknown.png

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Perfect

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:42 PM

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go is actually kinda popular now that I think about it

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lots of shit is being replaced by it

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ptero wings for example

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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obtuse gale https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/612873490709741577/791489722970538005/unk...

i never claimed js was a good language, but for a discord bot with a few commands you're never gonna run into issues like that

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yeah Go is getting very popular

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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elara is also powered by go, gotta remember that

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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which is good to see

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indeed

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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how's goland?

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Wasn't JS designed with the idea of never throwing exceptions? Or some other insane batshit like that

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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quiet depot how's goland?

Pretty much as good as IJ

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:44 PM

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what's a good starter project

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:45 PM

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good question

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:45 PM

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calculator 🌝

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:45 PM

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i pretty much started with elara, go doesn't have many gimmicks so it's very easy to learn

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it's also very good at concurrent stuff so maybe something involving that?

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webscrapers are a pretty good place to start afaik

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URL shortener perhaps

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:48 PM

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okie

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:49 PM

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or rewrite docdex in Go

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:49 PM

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yeah that's a lot more effort than it seems

static zealot Dec 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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xd

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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shit has 8.3k lines

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and not even close to being done

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:51 PM

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ok maybe not that then lol

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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8.3k lines in java is like 3k lines in any other language 🌝

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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true

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oh just a heads up if you're learning, Go isn't object oriented

quiet depot Dec 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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good

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:53 PM

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no classes

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no extending things

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etc

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Go seems like a pretty cool language

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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it is

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very cool

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it's also very fast

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 5:33 PM

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haskell is a cool language

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 5:38 PM

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No.

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 5:39 PM

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yes

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I agree

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how do you all pronounce regex

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Because I just watched a video that said reg-x

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Whereas I say ree-gex

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Which is weird now I think about it

static zealot Dec 27, 2020, 5:49 PM

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ugh

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regex

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...

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xD

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you know the good thing about romanian is that you pronounce the most things as you write them. Like no special thing if you put these 2 letters together or those 2 etc. Well for most things at least

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 5:51 PM

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I say reh-jeks / re-gex

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 5:53 PM

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yeah that's normal

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I think

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Mine is... Weird

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 5:53 PM

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you say it like rejects

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 5:54 PM

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ree jex

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 5:57 PM

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frigid badge you say it like rejects

He's used to those

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 5:58 PM

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lmao

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 6:00 PM

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hot hull He's used to those

😐

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 6:02 PM

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prisma wave how do you all pronounce regex

"reg" as in registry or regular?

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GIF or GIF

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 6:03 PM

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as in reject

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oh

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gif

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 6:03 PM

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prisma wave as in reject

Then yes

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reg-x

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 6:04 PM

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obtuse gale GIF or GIF

who the frick says jif 😐 😐

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 6:05 PM

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Not me

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 6:05 PM

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good

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 6:06 PM

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gif in my language is poison

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 6:06 PM

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I say gif as in gift

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 6:06 PM

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fun fact the creator of the format says "jif"

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but they are wrong

frigid badge Dec 27, 2020, 6:06 PM

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jeff

stuck harbor Dec 27, 2020, 6:20 PM

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no it is just G I F

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seperately

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:09 PM

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in java is a null pointer something like 0x000000? Does it have an actual value? Or is it an implementation detail

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 7:17 PM

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its actual value is nil 🌝

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:18 PM

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oh obviously

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I'm guessing the only people here that could answer are Lemmo and Johnny

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But maybe someone else clever will save the day

stuck harbor Dec 27, 2020, 7:19 PM

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maybe

static zealot Dec 27, 2020, 7:20 PM

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prisma wave But maybe someone else clever will save the day

me? maybe?

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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Maybe

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Do you know the answer?

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 7:22 PM

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prisma wave in java is a null pointer something like 0x000000? Does it have an actual value?...

std::nullptr_t 🌝

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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isn't that a type

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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yuh lol and nullptr is of that type

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:23 PM

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but what is the actual value

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and im more asking about java

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 7:24 PM

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It's quite a strange type tbh, because in cpp you can do something like if (!somePointer) to check for nullptr

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:24 PM

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since apparently in C it's like (*void) 0

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 7:24 PM

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Yeah but C doesn't even have bool lol

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:24 PM

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obtuse gale It's quite a strange type tbh, because in cpp you can do something like if (!som...

that's presumably syntax sugar though for something else?

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true

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i am just curious as to how it's implemented

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specifically in java

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 7:25 PM

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Quite a strange thing

static zealot Dec 27, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I'd chose the second option tbh

stuck harbor Dec 27, 2020, 7:26 PM

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oh no not bald

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that is the greatest threat

static zealot Dec 27, 2020, 7:27 PM

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ye but its better to bald than read his DMs

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:27 PM

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bald

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 7:27 PM

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:(

blazing walrus Dec 27, 2020, 7:27 PM

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😱

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 7:31 PM

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Depends what part bald

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Cause like if buttcrack then hell yes!

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:34 PM

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thonk

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https://img.bristermitten.me/19-42-56.png

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average spigot plugin

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:43 PM

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bruh

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why r u exposing me

stuck harbor Dec 27, 2020, 7:43 PM

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lol

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always null

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 7:46 PM

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name should never be null :)

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:47 PM

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I dont get how you can infer that like,
var x = null; //now we can infer x is not null

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:48 PM

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To be fair

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It probably meant that it should always be initialised in a constructor

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:49 PM

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ye

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 7:51 PM

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would it not make more sense to just do private String name; then

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 7:53 PM

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maybe

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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This is one of the reasons i love Kotlin's constructor

private final String name; // Seems like it starts as null
public class Class(final String name) {
  this.name = name;
}

While in kt

class Class(val name: String) // Easy to see that it's never null

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 7:55 PM

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Noone judged my code :(

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 7:56 PM

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where is it lol

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:56 PM

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imagine if java would add good updates

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like maybe make it even more kotlin

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 7:56 PM

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imagine if java was good

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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https://github.com/Frcsty/TreasureHunt/tree/rewrite

GitHub

Frcsty/TreasureHunt

Contribute to Frcsty/TreasureHunt development by creating an account on GitHub.

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util/actions is not mine so don't judge that

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:57 PM

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wtf Frosty

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private final Map<LocationHolder, TreasureHolder> treasures = new HashMap<>();

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private final Map<@NotNull LocationHolder, @NotNull TreasureHolder> treasures = new HashMap<>();

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^

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I will shoot you

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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I'll do after

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:58 PM

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default List<String> getAliases() {
return Collections.emptyList();
}

default String getDescription() {
    return null;
}

default String getUsage() {
    return null;
}

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WTF

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dude

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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hot hull util/actions is not mine so don't judge that

Conclure

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I will seriously smack you

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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its ur fault

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only urs

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kappa

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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It's Gaby's

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 7:59 PM

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sin

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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I was too lazy to finish converting my lib to java so I just used his instead

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 8:00 PM

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lib for what

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 8:01 PM

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Actions

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 8:04 PM

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still wearing that christmas pfp like u think gucci aint cool

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 8:12 PM

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Yeye I haven't changed it yet

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Tommorrow

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 8:16 PM

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ocean quartz This is one of the reasons i love Kotlin's constructor ```java private final Str...

I mean the mere fact it's final and isn't assigned a value in that line implies it's initialized in the constructor

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There is no other way

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Well there is a way, you can use Eclipse and force compile it 🌝

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I know, was saying in terms of readability
Anyone that knows Java would understand it well

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Was just a simple comparison

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 8:19 PM

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I don't see how it's any less readable

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But that's me

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

hot hull Dec 27, 2020, 8:23 PM

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I just want extensions in java

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All I want

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 8:29 PM

#

Let's make a lombok like thing that makes that happen!

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 8:48 PM

#

😬

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

I have a question

compact perchBOT Dec 27, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @prisma wave!

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:15 PM

#

shut up

#

Rat

#

Should I work on pdm or a premium plugin

#

premium plugin means money but pdm means minor clout

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 9:16 PM

#

both at the same time

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:16 PM

#

thonking

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 9:16 PM

#

two keyboards

#

get to work

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 9:16 PM

#

pdm 🥺

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 9:17 PM

#

i vote pdm

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:18 PM

#

fair enough then

#

now

#

rewrite shit? or just a big refactor

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 9:18 PM

#

but you're asking a group who is going to vote pdm cause we use it lol

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:18 PM

#

true

#

But still

#

I need an excuse

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 9:22 PM

#

relocations 😮

lunar cypress Dec 27, 2020, 9:22 PM

#

In this house we don't make premium plugins 🤚

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:24 PM

#

it will be open source

#

but i wanna get some passively generating income in time for uni

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 9:26 PM

#

I'm all about open source stuff, but i feel like unless you make it premium it's too much trouble for what's worth
Like, 120k downloads on a free plugin, 1 donation of $10 over 4 years lol

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:26 PM

#

Yeah people are very unlikely to donate unless it's something really outstanding

#

but if you make a high quality plugin that's free, but $10 for support and peace of mind

#

that seems like a good deal

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 9:27 PM

#

Yeah it's what i plan on doing too

#

Sad that won't be possible on hangar

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

how come?

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 9:29 PM

#

There won't be premium plugins in it

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:32 PM

#

oh rip

#

seems like a bit of a mistake

ocean quartz Dec 27, 2020, 9:32 PM

#

I understand why though, but yeah pretty sad

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 9:37 PM

#

Their loss I guess

#

I can't see them getting much of a "market share" if they've intentionally ignored a large proportion of plugins

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 10:13 PM

#

i need some help

#

so the plugin i made

#

when i loaded it into my test server it just didnt show

#

when i did /pl it didnt say it exists

#

so idk how to fix that

#

I can share source code as well

#

https://github.com/Encription0001/JoinCmds

surreal quarry Dec 27, 2020, 10:15 PM

#

#development for support @weary epoch

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 10:15 PM

#

my bad

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

:>

📎 unknown.png

#

best theme

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

that looks like pain

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

i agree

#

credit to codedred discord

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:05 PM

#

that is the ugliest thing i have ever seen

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

🤣

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

half harness credit to codedred discord

get out of there

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:06 PM

#

;-;

#

I go there to help out some nubs

#

how is this project structure

📎 unknown.png

#

anything i should change?

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

those package names are questionable

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

placeholderapi

#

sounds like ur shading it in

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

yea

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

wdym

#

plugins {
    id 'java'
}

group 'me.dkim19375'
version '1.0.0'

repositories {
    mavenCentral()
    maven { url = 'https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots' }
    maven { url = 'https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/' }
    maven { url = 'https://repo.extendedclip.com/content/repositories/placeholderapi/' }
    maven { url = 'https://maven.enginehub.org/repo/' }
}

dependencies {
    compileOnly 'org.spigotmc:spigot-api:1.16.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT'
    compileOnly 'me.clip:placeholderapi:2.10.9'
    compileOnly 'com.sk89q.worldguard:worldguard-bukkit:7.0.4'
}

processResources {
    from(sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs) {
        expand 'pluginVersion': version
    }
}

#

this is my build.gradle

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

prisma wave those package names are questionable

Idk what to name it

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:08 PM

#

tier 3 and still using caps 😬

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

placeholders

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

^

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

renamed

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

enums is a bit janky as well

#

https://img.bristermitten.me/23-07-45.png is it time

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

i had so many enums tho

#

😮

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

rewrite time i think

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

o

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

you could do this dkim

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

jeez

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

no #783231033629212672 needed?

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:09 PM

#

maybe

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

processResources.from(sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs) {
    expand 'pluginVersion': version
}```

#

more ugly and more compact

#

but fewer lines

#

and idm if its shorter

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

ok

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

but

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

i did it

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:10 PM

#

it might be nice to know that you can almost always merge closures sorta

#

so

#

a {
  b {
    c value
  }
}

//can be
a.b.c value

#

or smtng

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

wdym

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

(some exceptions exist but ye)

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

i always copy and paste

#

my build.gradle

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

ok good bye

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

idk how groovy works

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:11 PM

#

groovy is nice

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:12 PM

#

plugins {
    id 'java'
}

group 'me.dkim19375'
version '1.0.0'

repositories {
    mavenCentral()
    maven { url = 'https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots' }
    maven { url = 'https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/' }
    maven { url = 'https://repo.extendedclip.com/content/repositories/placeholderapi/' }
    maven { url = 'https://maven.enginehub.org/repo/' }
}

dependencies {
    compileOnly 'org.spigotmc:spigot-api:1.16.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT'
    compileOnly 'me.clip:placeholderapi:2.10.9'
    compileOnly 'com.sk89q.worldguard:worldguard-bukkit:7.0.4'
}

processResources.from(sourceSets.main.resources.srcDirs) {
    expand 'pluginVersion': version
}
```new `build.gradle`

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:12 PM

#

seems good

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:12 PM

#

prisma wave `enums` is a bit janky as well

what should I do?

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

clojure buildscript

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

prisma wave tier 3 and still using caps 😬

i dont understand but that seems funny

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

lmao

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:13 PM

#

you were supposed to delete that message bm

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:14 PM

#

prisma wave `enums` is a bit janky as well

what should i name it

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:14 PM

#

(plugins [
  {:id "java"}])

(group "me.bristermitten")
(version "1.0.0")

(repositories [
  (mavenCentral)
  (maven {:url "https://oss.sonatype.org/content/repositories/snapshots"}))

(dependencies [
  (compileOnly "me.clip:placeholderapi:2.10.9")])

#

surely we can agree this is better

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:14 PM

#

NO

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

😛

📎 unknown.png

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

BM is there any point reimplementing an interface like this:

interface Kaliber {

}

interface Efefury extends Kaliber {

}

class Sxtanna implements Kaliber, Efefury {

}

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

what

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:15 PM

#

what

#

no

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

very arbitrary example

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

u extend me

#

u my bitch

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

i have no idea what you're asking

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:16 PM

#

lol

📎 unknown.png

#

rip me

#

👋

#

wtf

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:17 PM

#

public class HashMap<K,V> extends AbstractMap<K,V>
implements Map<K,V>, Cloneable, Serializable {

#

why does HashMap implement Map again

#

when AbstractMap already does that

#

:[

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

Conclure stfu

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

good question

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

You're asking too many questions

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

👀 staff watching

📎 unknown.png

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

No

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

probably just to make it more obvious

obtuse gale Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

No one has to know this

#

No

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

oka ima stfu

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

prisma wave `enums` is a bit janky as well

what should i dooooo

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

idk

#

just like

#

make it more natural

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

❓

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:18 PM

#

half harness 😛

this man makes best themes

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:19 PM

#

?

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:19 PM

#

half harness 😛

This mf using ECLIPSE 😭 🤣

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:19 PM

#

🤣

#

couldnt be me

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

I remember when I was so reluctant to switch to intellij

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

same

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

i was so stupid back then

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

i still hate IJ

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

oh

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

cause im still struggling with gradle

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

wut is issue

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

eclipse is just good u should switch to it

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

i used to use it

#

like 4 years ago

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:20 PM

#

prisma wave `enums` is a bit janky as well

still didn't tell me..

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

prisma wave idk

@half harness i did

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

tf does "bm" mean

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

c'est moi

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

prisma wave <@!521485088995672084> i did

idk isn't an answer-

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

oh

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

weary epoch tf does "bm" mean

Brister Mitten

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

mfs will use eclipse and complain why their plugins dont work

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

woah

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

im mfs 😔

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:21 PM

#

how did I react to my message

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

guys

#

i am trying eclipse

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

YES

#

do it

#

pls

#

:>

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

it is so ugly

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

prisma wave i am trying eclipse

a moment of redemption and freedom

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

prisma wave it is so ugly

switch to "dark" mode

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

vc :>

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

https://img.bristermitten.me/23-22-33.png

#

this is the ugliest thing i have ever seen

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

oh no

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:22 PM

#

prisma wave https://img.bristermitten.me/23-22-33.png

omg so pretty

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:23 PM

#

what

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:23 PM

#

theyre main page when u open the app is a donation page 🤣

#

u dont see that with IJ 🤣

#

i also say no

half harness Dec 27, 2020, 11:23 PM

#

static isnt that badddd

onyx loom Dec 27, 2020, 11:23 PM

#

so that means no

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:32 PM

#

gn

#

yeah im not using eclipse anymore

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:32 PM

#

gn efefury

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:32 PM

#

to debug something or not debug something

#

just use sout

#

:]

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

pro tip: do java underwater so no one can see you crying

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:33 PM

#

data structures and algorithms :]]]]]

#

eclipse is my favorite ide

weary epoch Dec 27, 2020, 11:35 PM

#

same

#

cause i can easily ignore all the errors barraging me

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:36 PM

#

that's not a good thing

steel heart Dec 27, 2020, 11:37 PM

#

Eclipse IDE is good cuz it makes me look like a fool

wise badger Dec 27, 2020, 11:37 PM

#

Hey
I made my chat format
But I don't know why the server doesn't use the deluxechat one
it uses the essentials chat format

prisma wave Dec 27, 2020, 11:37 PM

#

#general-plugins

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

@prisma wave sublime was actually the first editor I coded java in

#

back in like 2014

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

Oh nice

#

I'm pretty sure I started with eclipse

weary epoch Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

HAHHAH

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

Or maybe notepad

weary epoch Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

eclipse > notepad

#

eclipse > IJ

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

I could never install eclipse on my pc

#

router firewall blocked it

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

I started Java with eclipse as well

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:18 AM

#

and back then my dad wouldn't let me fuck with the networking

weary epoch Dec 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

#

eclipse lets u bypass errors

#

best IDE

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

#

so my only options were sublime & ij

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

#

lmao

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

#

eh it has a separate compiler than javac

#

you can disable compile time error checks

#

so Errors would be thrown like Exceptions

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

#

Ok so, start with an IDE or start with text editor + CLI?

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:19 AM

#

text editor + CLI

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:20 AM

#

Okay I agree

#

Sublime or N++ or whatever

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:20 AM

#

🔥

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:20 AM

#

notepad

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:20 AM

#

BMtuts

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:20 AM

#

using notepad is self harm

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:21 AM

#

n++ for dark mode

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:21 AM

#

use vi

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:21 AM

#

actually

#

sublime then

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:21 AM

#

old wyvern use vi

That's self harm too

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:21 AM

#

xD

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:21 AM

#

ok

#

So

#

my current plan is something like this:

first 3-5 episodes will be sublime based, CLI based, introducing absolute basics

then introduce IJ and move on to more complex things with a calculator or something

Then start plugins, immediately using Gradle

#

Then profit?

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

profit 😎

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

make sure to remove plugins from sublime so you have a vanilla install (apart from theme)

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

maybe gradle first? idk

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

quiet depot make sure to remove plugins from sublime so you have a vanilla install (apart fr...

yeah

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

like gradle then plugins

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

same with ij when you move onto that

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

onyx loom maybe gradle first? idk

I don't wanna overwhelm people though

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

Uh maybe explain build tools for an episode and go through the options and differences between them and then start with using gradle

eager fern Dec 28, 2020, 1:23 AM

#

did sublime ever add a replace text feature?

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

sublime has always had that

eager fern Dec 28, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

wait

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

it's not a typical replace feature

#

you use the find feature, then you can play your cursor on the matches

#

and replace them by hand

#

i'll make a demo

#

2 secs

eager fern Dec 28, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

I mean like notepad++

#

replace one

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

old wyvern Uh maybe explain build tools for an episode and go through the options and diffe...

Yeah, I'll probably have pretty short episodes so that makes sense

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:24 AM

#

awesome

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:25 AM

#

prisma wave I don't wanna overwhelm people though

id ur introducing spigot at the same time as gradle, then that may be overwhelming too

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:25 AM

#

Possibly

#

But

#

It actually shows you why Gradle is useful

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:25 AM

#

hmm i guess so

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 1:25 AM

#

more complex things with a calculator
I laugh at this comment but people really do struggle with "how do I convert a string to an int" lol

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:25 AM

#

Yeah exactly

onyx loom Dec 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

.toInt 🙂

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

I also wanna introduce basic OOP outside of spigot, and then expand on that later

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

@eager fern

📎 2020-12-28_09-25-02.mp4

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

a calculator would also be a good example for a switch case (for the operators)

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

Calculators are great

#

They have everything

eager fern Dec 28, 2020, 1:26 AM

#

ah not bad @quiet depot I need to look into that

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:27 AM

#

Pig doesnt it also have a normal replace feature?

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:27 AM

#

no

#

it's not needed

#

what I just showed you is way more versatile than a normal replace feature

#

much more effective

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:27 AM

#

eh

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:27 AM

#

trust me if you've used it

#

you'd understand

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:28 AM

#

hmm alrighty ill give that a go next time I find myself using replace

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:28 AM

#

oh

#

i lied lol

#

it does haev a replace feature

#

I've just never used it

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:29 AM

#

lol

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:29 AM

#

📎 unknown.png

#

@eager fern ctrl + h

eager fern Dec 28, 2020, 1:29 AM

#

thanks

#

its way better

#

honestly

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:29 AM

#

nah

#

I've never needed it

eager fern Dec 28, 2020, 1:31 AM

#

the new way I am saying

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 1:31 AM

#

o

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 1:59 AM

#

https://fuchsia.googlesource.com/fuchsia/

#

since when was this os?

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:04 AM

#

GITHUB IS THE BESTTT_ _

#

I accidentily ctrl + clicked one of my classes (enum) and for some reason just deleted it and modified a bunch of files making like a billion errors in my code (and the enum had like a billion values)

#

and intellij ctrl + z didn't work

#

and so I just rollbacked via github and its fixed

#

:))))))))

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:06 AM

#

Lol

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:06 AM

#

im so happy

#

github just saved me like 10 minutes

#

10 minutes = a lot

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:06 AM

#

https://docs.google.com/document/d/11irjGreXzUdavS5xNBg45ZU-VCtWngv41eCYEAbaRSA/edit?usp=drivesdk

how does this look in terms of content?

Google Docs

Untitled document

Pure Section Install JDK, write a basic hello world with sublime + CLI Introduce variables and basic types (primitives + String + Object) Basic arithmetic operations Move to a proper IDE Strong typing, type conversions (casting, parseInt, etc) If statements and basic Boolean algebra Methods (func...

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:06 AM

#

wHat in the wOrlD is tHaT

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:06 AM

#

@quiet depot @old wyvern @angone else interested

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:06 AM

#

oh

#

ew pure section

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

half harness wHat in the wOrlD is tHaT

Java course

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

Intellij also recovers deleted files

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

Pure Section good

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

ocean quartz Intellij also recovers deleted files

but for some reason it didn't detect that it just destroyed my files

#

😐

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

Not talking about ctrl + z

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

o

#

but

#

the files didn't delete

#

it just

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

Right Click > Local History

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

cleared

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:07 AM

#

Idk

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:08 AM

#

nope its not in local history

#

unless github rollback changes it

#

nvm

#

its all the way

#

okay

#

but

#

edit: Github and matt saved me

#

👍

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:09 AM

#

that looks like a solid course BM

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:10 AM

#

cheers

#

Hopefully it'll be good

#

I don't think I forgot anything on the pure side

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:11 AM

#

this is like when the teacher shares a google doc and the class goes crazy

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:11 AM

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🤣

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:11 AM

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lmao

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:11 AM

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good thing its suggestion

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and not editing

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:11 AM

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oh thank god

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:11 AM

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xD

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:12 AM

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I got so scared then lmao

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:12 AM

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lol

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:12 AM

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@prisma wave maybe go over javadoc and how to use/go through it cause a lot of beginners dont understand javadoc

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could do that in the spigot section

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Good idea

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:12 AM

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You making a video bm?

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Wait is this all in one video?
no lol, 1 video per episode, probably like 10 minutes each

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Hopefully

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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you should remove our permission to suggest lmfao

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Finally getting around to making this course

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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prisma wave > Wait is this all in one video? no lol, 1 video per episode, probably like 10 m...

A whole video on "Move to a proper IDE"

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nice

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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Obviously

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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lol

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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that's very important lol

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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he can explain why eclipse is so shitty

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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true

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okay

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:13 AM

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oh my god

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What have you done to it

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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just remove all the suggestions

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and remove perms to suggest

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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I thought suggestions meant like comments

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🥶

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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no it means like you can type but it wont affect the document xD

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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lol

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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xD

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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lmao

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Idk how to remove them on mobile

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:14 AM

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hmmm

📎 unknown.png

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google docs doesn't like me

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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prisma wave Idk how to remove them on mobile

know how to change permission at least lol

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its fixed nvm

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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yeah I got that lol

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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GODDAMMIT

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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XD

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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🙄

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:15 AM

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😭

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:16 AM

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5. Jav gonna be a great episode i can already tell

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:17 AM

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lmfao

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Obviously

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A lot of thought went into that

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:17 AM

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lol

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:17 AM

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yeah I have no idea how to remove the suggestions

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Ig I'll finish this in the morning

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:17 AM

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i think you did

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:18 AM

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its removed

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:18 AM

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it looks fine for me at least

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:18 AM

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They're still showing up for me lol

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:18 AM

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oh rip

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:18 AM

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😐

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did u do all this on mobile?

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👀

📎 unknown.png

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Ooh I think I found it

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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half harness did u do all this on mobile?

Yea

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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how?!

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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google docs app prob

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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thats some powerful phone

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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I have to manually deny each one 🥲

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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lol

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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lol?

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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lol

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:19 AM

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Google docs app

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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y u keep moving Move to a proper IDE

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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i feel like maybe starting with a proper ide is a good idea, no?

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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same

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u gonna use notepad

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in the beginning?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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sublime but

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:20 AM

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IDE is better to be used later on

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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wut

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then what do u use

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bc the ppl are gonna have to do it themselves too

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not just watch

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Use any text editor

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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;-;

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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IDEs are complex

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Today in this java tutorial we're going to be coding in Notepad

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Starting with an IDE just makes people dependent on them

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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You wanna keep it simple at first

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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BM - dependency injection video?

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:21 AM

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Yes

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That will probably be part of the Basic OOP thing

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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half harness *Today in this java tutorial we're going to be coding in Notepad*

My prof makes sure we only use text editors for our classes

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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ah ok

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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We are not allowed to have an IDE open during class

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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oh gosh

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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this might be pog to be able to send to new people in here if they need more explanation of a topic lol

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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😱

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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seems a bit too strict

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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the ide does everything for me

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:>

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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half harness *Today in this java tutorial we're going to be coding in Notepad*

You can code on the terminal

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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wUTt

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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surreal quarry this might be pog to be able to send to new people in here if they need more exp...

Hopefully :)

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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half harness wUTt

nano, vim, Emacs etc

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:22 AM

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prisma wave seems a bit too strict

Yea but he teaches really well tbf

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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oh

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nano

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nano is text editor

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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fair enough

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Yes

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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vim > nano

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Thats the only class that I really like this sem

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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idk what vim and emacs is

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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🥶

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complicated

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Others ar ejust professors crying their throats out

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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old wyvern We are not allowed to have an IDE open during class

that's stupid

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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It isnt

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:23 AM

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I get the idea behind it but in the real world you will use an IDE at work

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As you will use Google

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And StackOverflow

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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The idea is to be able to code even without the help of an IDE

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not to complete ignore IDEs

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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I know

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Yeah I think you should always know how to do it the hard way

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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But you should also be taught how to use an IDE

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:24 AM

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Not at the start itself

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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obtuse gale But you should also be taught how to use an IDE

Otherwise your first day at work when you are introduced for the first time you will have no clue how anything works

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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If you know the bare bones then an IDE Is only going to make things easier though

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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^

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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That doesn't work the other way around

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:25 AM

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mhm

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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prisma wave If you know the bare bones then an IDE Is only going to make things easier thoug...

I like to disagree

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You are being introduced to a whole new environment, a whole new workspace

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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but at the end of the day it's still just a text editor

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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use eclipse instead of notepad

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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It will make what you already know easier (debatable, but for the most part yes), but you still have to learn how to use the tool

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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or netbeans

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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Netbeans is cursed

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:26 AM

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half harness use eclipse instead of notepad

We are not using eclipse under any circumstances

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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no i mean use eclipse instead of notepad

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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notepad + terminal > eclipse

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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notepad < eclipse < intellij

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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:)

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Notepad would be better

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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They both suck

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Sublime >

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 2:27 AM

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Vscode

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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ew

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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Too IDE-like

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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ik someone in codedred discord who switched to vscode

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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If you're learning the basics then start with something simple

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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iirc they used to use intellij

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:28 AM

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VSC is fine

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But using it for Java is a strange decision

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Any reason not to target java 11 on the course?

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 2:32 AM

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none

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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there are

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just in case

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servers use java 8

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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im gonna be targeting 1.16 so

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There's no reason to still be using java 8

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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😐

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:33 AM

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1.8 is like 6 years old if they are using 1.8, they should update :)

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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exactly

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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no

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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The 1.8 API also sucks so it's harder to learn / teach

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You have to use NMS for the most basic things

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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bm you should make a gh organization for the series and upload each episode as a repo so people can go view the code

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or smth like that

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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that's a good idea

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Or at least a repo

half harness Dec 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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ppls gonna copy/paste

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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yea i just dont know if it would get so big that one repo would be not enough

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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And then maybe just tags for each episode

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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ah yea thats a good idea

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cause some stuff will probably be carried over more than 1 episode

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:36 AM

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Yeah

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It'll probably be 2 projects that grow over time

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Calculator for pure, essentials remake for spigot

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And then we just keep adding to that

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:37 AM

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yea

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maybe some sort of api design episode

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:42 AM

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That will probably be further down the line

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But yeah

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I wanna teach proper code structure, API design, SOLID principles etc

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I've made quite a few additions to the doc so

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This is good

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:43 AM

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good good

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if i do an economy thing for a plugin im working on should i do my own economy/storage/etc and give access to it through the api or should i use vault so it will have better compatibility

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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yes

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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wdym exactly?

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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any of the two sound great

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Making an economy plugin?

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:45 AM

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cct

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Well, using Vault as economy is more of a standard for a "global" economy, of course you could make your own API and make it isolated from it, or you could do both if PES_SadShrug

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:46 AM

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if you're making an economy plugin definitely hook into Vault

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:47 AM

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im working on that core plugin still so I figured I'd add in a way for players to pay each other then maybe work that into some shops or something in the future so vault is probably the best option

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just making sure before i use it lol

prisma wave Dec 28, 2020, 2:47 AM

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Yeah use vault API

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 2:47 AM

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alr

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ty

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 2:56 AM

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@prisma wave be careful with 8

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java is a mix of pass by value & pass by reference

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I mean technically it's all pass by value, but the value you're passing 99% of the time is a reference

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consider having a little extension lesson on bitwise operators also

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:58 AM

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what

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 2:58 AM

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wym what

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:59 AM

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quiet depot I mean technically it's all pass by value, but the value you're passing 99% of t...

this

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 2:59 AM

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do you know what pass by value/reference means?

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 2:59 AM

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yeah

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 2:59 AM

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ok

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i'll explain it with examples then

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java's spec says it's pass by value iirc

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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CH_facewhy

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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but in reality, it doesn't always work out like that

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primitives for example, work great

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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afaik objects pass by reference

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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you pass them, and they work as expected for a pass by value system

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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and primitives by value

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:00 AM

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when you pass an object, you're still passing a value

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but the value is a reference lol

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at least that's the way it was explained to me

old wyvern Dec 28, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Yup

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:01 AM

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well yes, you are passing the value of the pointer

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:01 AM

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yep

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:01 AM

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also known as "pass by reference"

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:01 AM

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no

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allow me to demonstrate with code

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:02 AM

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I know how it works, you pass a copy of the pointer to the object around, the underlying data is the same in memory, but the reference itself is not, it's a copy

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:02 AM

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private String test = "blah";

public void meth(String blah) {
  blah = null;
}

psvm {
  blah.sout
  test(blah);
  blah.sout
}```
if java was pass by reference, the second sout would print null

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i think

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:03 AM

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no it wouldn't

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inside meth you are reassigning the local reference

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i.e. the copy of the reference

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:03 AM

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but in a true pass by reference there are no copies

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therefore java is not pass by reference

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:04 AM

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it passes copies of pointers

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and you can reassign the pointers

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:04 AM

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yes and therefore, it's pass by value

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:04 AM

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quiet depot ```java private String test = "blah"; public void meth(String blah) { blah = ...

hence why that would print "blah" both times

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:04 AM

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with the value being a reference in the case of non primitives

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also this is exactly why I want bm to go in depth on this because it's confusing

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 3:05 AM

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Well yes but it's easier to teach references instead of pointers, something you don't have access/control in Java at any layer

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For that matter go learn C++, you got all them 3, values, pointers and references

quiet depot Dec 28, 2020, 3:08 AM

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you sorta can do pointers in java

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via unsafe

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it's not pointers in the traditional sense but it's similar

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I think

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mind you i've never used a language with pointers

forest pecan Dec 28, 2020, 3:49 AM

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im about to commit a war crime

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im catching Exception

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 3:51 AM

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Disgusting

forest pecan Dec 28, 2020, 3:53 AM

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                try {
                    String fileName = parse[2];
                    if (parse.length <= 3) {
                        backgrounds.add(new Background(fileName, 0, 0));
                    } else {
                        int xOffSet = Integer.parseInt(parse[3]);
                        int yOffSet = Integer.parseInt(parse[4]);
                        backgrounds.add(new Background(fileName, xOffSet, yOffSet));
                    }
                } catch (Exception ex) {
                    ex.printStackTrace();
                    throw new CorruptedBeatmapException("Corrupted Beatmap File!");
                }

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parsing at its finest

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find any exception?

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just throw the damn thing back at the compiler

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tbh i would just put minecraft in a try and catch statement

ocean quartz Dec 28, 2020, 3:55 AM

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What there would throw exception?

forest pecan Dec 28, 2020, 3:56 AM

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well

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in my case if parse

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the array was out of bounds

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also i got some other stuff i need to add such as the length

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it has to be a specific length or else its wrong

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basically im parsing a special file

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and it has its own weird ass format

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and that requires hard coding

steel heart Dec 28, 2020, 4:02 AM

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Pulse

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That code

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sad

forest pecan Dec 28, 2020, 4:04 AM

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honestly

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:28 AM

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is there any reason

plugin.server.servicesManager.getRegistration(Economy::class.java)

would return null if vault is installed

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:29 AM

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did you add Vault to your depend list?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:29 AM

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its a soft dependency but yea

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should have the same effect of making it load first

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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what about loadService instead of getRegistration?

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d;spigot ServicesManager#loadService

ruby craterBOT Dec 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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There was no direct match for that query, did you mean any of the following?: org.bukkit.plugin.ServicesManager#load org.bukkit.plugin.ServicesManager#getKnownServices org.bukkit.plugin.ServicesManager#isProvidedFor org.bukkit.plugin.ServicesManager#load org.bukkit.plugin.ServicesManager#register

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:30 AM

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well

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load lol

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why is it twice thonk

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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still null

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and no clue lmao

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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@quiet depot ServicesManager#load shows twice but there only exists one load method

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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surreal quarry still null

huh

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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surreal quarry is there any reason ```kt plugin.server.servicesManager.getRegistration(Economy:...

where are you doing that?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:32 AM

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gonna see if isprovidedfor returns true

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:33 AM

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constructor, onLoad or onEnable?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:34 AM

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it ends up being called in the onEnable

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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thonk

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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also isProvidedFor returns false

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:35 AM

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sounds a whole lot like your plugin is enabling before Vault

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:36 AM

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agreed

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:36 AM

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how does your plugin.yml look like?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:37 AM

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https://paste.jaims.dev/eqehusayej.md logs seem to say vaulkt is loading & enabling before though. plugin.yml -> https://paste.jaims.dev/ojogomafah.http

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:37 AM

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wait so

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wait

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you're trying to make your plugin be Vault's economy?

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or trying to get an existing one?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:39 AM

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get an existing one i believe. I am trying to create commands like /balance /pay etc that change vaults data using the api. Currently what I have setup is using Economy#getBalance for a simple balance command but again its not working because the RSP is returning null

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:40 AM

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Do you... have a plugin that backends the economy?

surreal quarry Dec 28, 2020, 4:41 AM

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have I misunderstood what vault does? I thought vault was the economy (it stores the data), and other plugins can use Vault's api to get data about the economy / set it.

obtuse gale Dec 28, 2020, 4:41 AM

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lol yes you have