?
#dev-general
lunar cypress
how so
also is "unsafe" really your primary concern after you've had a breakdown about not being able to open eclipse
weary epoch
lol
im quitting eclipse
i cant export from IJ cause i dont have JDK 8 on IJ
and i cant install JDK 8 cause the oracle website is broken
and throws me an error
weary epoch
HALLEYUAH
i didnt know there was other JDks
omg
my life is saved
how do i export it as jar tho
cause idk how to use IJ
cause when i export it gives me 2 option
export as zip or to eclipse
lunar cypress
use maven or gradle
if you got no idea about either and you still want to export it today look up intellij artifacts
onyx loom
well what do u wanna do with gradle?
weary epoch
thius fucking sucks
im switicvhing back to eclipse
IJ is terrible
i knew since pycharm sucks IJ probably would too
i cant fucking export shit
obtuse gale
Dude fucking chill your stupid tits
weary epoch
IJ is doodoo
obtuse gale
You were told to take a look at "artifacts"
obtuse gale
And you didn't try to search and fix them?
weary epoch
I DID
obtuse gale
What a programmer you are
weary epoch
it doesnt matter
ive already had tons of problems with IJ
while the only problem with oracle is refactoring
weary epoch
why does IJ have to be so extra
and why does eclipse have to be so broken
why are IDEs so bad
pliant badger
use text editors then, compile using javac and pull your hair out
weary epoch
im gonna go use notepad
brb
im gonna compile it without javac
imma compile it myself
pliant badger
optifine compiling
lunar cypress
PainsChamp
prisma wave
compiling a jar
prisma wave
I never understood why people expect programming to be a walk in the park
prisma wave
Like, learning a new language, workflow and build tool is never easy
What do you expect lol
weary epoch
i havent eaten a thing today
pliant badger
Brister is a very nice guy
prisma wave
thank you
lunar cypress
It should be imo
weary epoch
so im getting mad easily
prisma wave
fair enough
pliant badger
i swear to god brister you're the only guy who had patience to explain some stuff back when i didn't know shit
lunar cypress
I think people are right to complain about build tools
lunar cypress
It's like the type of thing devs build for themselves and they never get this right for some reason
weary epoch
I think people are right to complain about build tools
facts im gonna go cry in a corner real quick
prisma wave
well I guess there are just too many differences between languages to have a "standard" for everything
makefiles are very different to gradle because they need to be
Etc
weary epoch
brb gonna go make my own build tool
lunar cypress
well...
weary epoch
brb gonna go make my own IDE rq
prisma wave
true
lunar cypress
obv if you focus on the ecosystem of one language they need to be different
weary epoch
brb gonna go make my own OS rq so it works with my IDE and build tool i made myself
lunar cypress
I think we've had this discussion here before and I brought up lein and cargo
prisma wave
@weary epoch do it
lunar cypress
I think every language should have something like them
weary epoch
<@498802784473448448> do it
its done i have a wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS
prisma wave
I haven't warmed to Lein yet purely because it's based on maven
prisma wave
its done i have a wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS
wow that was quick
weary epoch
im just that good
prisma wave
cargo seems pretty good
weary epoch
done with the IDE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notepad%2B%2B
prisma wave
That's not an ide
lunar cypress
well lein wraps maven but it's very straight forward if you just want to dive in
weary epoch
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse_(software) here is my IDE its very buggy and it sucks btw
prisma wave
yeah it isn't awful
lunar cypress
cargo is different in the regard that it is the rust build tool, but similar in that it also tries to be as simple as possible
prisma wave
But I now have a mild bias against anything that isn't Gradle
weary epoch
oracle was gonna buy tiktok good thing they didnt cause if they did tiktok would be buggy and crash every minute
pliant badger
i pick randomly between maven and gradle, i like both
lunar cypress
I like neither
hot hull
Elara build tool when™️
lunar cypress
Maven feels like I'm working at an office in 1998 and gradle is just a hot mess to see through
lunar cypress
Favourite for what language?
weary epoch
weary epoch
is kotlin just java?
lunar cypress
no
hot hull
weary epoch
yeah
prisma wave
I'm pretty sure you can do it in like 8 lines
weary epoch
thats what they did right?
prisma wave
On Linux systems anyway
lunar cypress
depends on the assembly
prisma wave
The moon was punch cards lol
weary epoch
yeah cause they had linux in 1969
pliant badger
didn't they have assembly in 1969?
prisma wave
NASA should've used lisp machines tbh
lunar cypress
They used punchcards but the instructions on them were still machine code for the processors
prisma wave
yeah
lunar cypress
And for basically any cpu there is an assembly language
weary epoch
mfs in 850 B.C.E. making punchcards out of rocks https://prnt.sc/w9w2hi
hot hull
prisma wave
Nice crop
lunar cypress
because assembly is mostly just the machine code in human readable form
hot hull
Shut up
onyx loom
'readable'
prisma wave
As soon as we get a JVM compiler I promise you that will be the first thing I do
weary epoch
because assembly is mostly just the machine code in human readable form
"readable" is a strong word
lunar cypress
better than reading raw bytes
prisma wave
it's more readable than machine code
me yugi and katsu
mostly me and yugi atm
"yugi and I"
🙄
weary epoch
there is a dude on fiverr that can code anything for $50 brb gonna go make him code a OS, a IDE, and a JVM compiler
pliant badger
did anybody here ever had to use assembly for some important task?
weary epoch
if its porn probably not
onyx loom
depends
weary epoch
hot hull
lunar cypress
did anybody here ever had to use assembly for some important task?
I haven't
onyx loom
i think lemmo might be the only person thats used assembly
ocean quartz
@prisma wave How would add a \n every 3 indexes on a list? (Kotlin)
weary epoch
ocean quartz
Let me try
prisma wave
Or just do it imperatively, that usually works if you can't figure out a standard library way
weary epoch
lunar cypress
interpose :clojuremoon:
weary epoch
these memes sum it up
weary epoch
pro tip: code java underwater so no one can see you crying
prisma wave
actually, hardest language to learn is C++ imo
I can make something basic in just about any language with a bunch of googling, but C++ has crushed me whenever I tried
lunar cypress
I have a big C++ book at home
it was an impulsive buy
for some reason I thought I wanted to do something with the language
prisma wave
I've had a C++ course that I bought on Udemy years ago
steel heart
C++ is hard?
lunar cypress
yes
steel heart
Heard it’s good for games since it has manual memory management
lunar cypress
well, that's kinda random
prisma wave
it's mostly used for games
steel heart
ye
lunar cypress
It is fast, yes
prisma wave
Probably because unreal exists though
I guess that's more of a chicken Vs egg thing though
lunar cypress
but manual memory management isn't something that automatically (no pun intended) makes your code go vrooom vroom
steel heart
Oh well. Which one is generally faster? Assembly or C++?
lunar cypress
depends on your code
I mean what value does "assembly is faster in theory" hold if you don't have the skill and time to write good assembly
prisma wave
True
ocean quartz
@old wyvern Done, had to use the magic square too
lunar cypress
though yes in ideal code scenarios assembly will be faster because it has literally no runtime
prisma wave
But theoretically, human optimised assembly will always be faster than any other language
ocean quartz
Yeah i didn't add any of that, made it all in one class xD
old wyvern
oh xD
ocean quartz
Also @prisma wave the solution for that was fucking awful:
board.withIndex()
.groupBy { it.index / 3 }
.map { indexed -> indexed.value.map { it.value } }
.joinToString("\n")
o.o
steel heart
@ocean quartz custom craft grid?
ocean quartz
Tic tac toe
old wyvern
I just had each player check if they won
prisma wave
Also <@!266973575225933824> the solution for that was fucking awful:
```kt
board...
That is horrible
Might as well just do it imperatively at that point
interesting that you can have purely functional languages, but as far as I know there are no pure OO languages
ocean quartz
@old wyvern My entire game https://paste.helpch.at/uzisukabuw.cpp xD
old wyvern
interesting that you can have purely functional languages, but as far as I know ...
Arent the Agents/Actors used in FP not purely functional?
steel heart
lol
prisma wave
Arent the Agents/Actors used in FP not purely functional?
No idea, I presume so - but given Haskell and others advertise themselves as "purely functional" it's just odd that there aren't any purely OO languages
old wyvern
No idea
lunar cypress
Yeah. Though it has almost nothing to do with java style oop
prisma wave
yeah from what I heard the core idea behind OO got kinda misinterpreted
It was more about sending messages between objects or something
Not AbstractMailBeanFactoryFactory
lunar cypress
Yeah
obtuse gale
FactoryProvider
little hamlet
?json
compact perchBOT
FAQ Answer:
ocean quartz
Amazing, console, amazing
static zealot
xD
ocean quartz
Wonder if adventure has a strip style method
ocean quartz
Noice got it
little hamlet
Hello idk if i am in the right channel to post this but i need some help in developing something or finding somehow to do this.
I have a hispanic server myself i am a learning small dev just for fun, I am using a plugin that has X amount of commands, with CommandAlias plugin i am translating myself the commands to Spanish for it could look more professional, but if any of my users figures out which plugin i am using, they could just type the original command of the plugin. So my question is: Is there actually anyway to disable the use original command for the user at the same time letting the CommandAlias plugin doing its job?
distant sun
Amazing, console, amazing
Ik smh
prisma wave
Hello idk if i am in the right channel to post this but i need some help in deve...
Firstly probably not the right channel, unless you want to make a plugin to do that
Ask in #general-plugins
jovial warren
Okay, righty then, let's try and explain this:
So, I'm experimenting with PHP (because it seems like a kinda easy and not that bad language to learn), and I was just trying to make a simple calculator, because I couldn't really think of anything else, and I have this code: https://hastebin.com/kexinetire.php-template and calculator.php: https://hastebin.com/xoxuxadara.php
So, it does its job, the one issue is that the <p> tags with the result will show when I haven't inputted anything, meaning they'll show errors. Does anyone know if/how I can update these within PHP? I've tried updating them with JavaScript, but they update just before the page reloads (since it's a form and so it gets submitted)
I want to ideally have the <p> tags hidden and then show them when the result is calculated
prisma wave
I'm not sure this is what PHP is used for
Because the dynamic content is all evaluated on the server end, it gets converted to static content
jovial warren
ah okay
prisma wave
So you couldn't have anything like that without JS querying your "backend" somewhere in the mix
You could have:
Static site for calculator
JS sends query to PHP backend
Backend calculates, then update result on frontend
But that's a lot of work
Where PHP is """good""" is for dynamic but also static things, like blogs, online shops, etc
prisma wave
Yea ik, my point is that this isn't really an appropriate use for PHP
it's like spring + thymeleaf, all the dynamic stuff is evaluated on the server side
jovial warren
any ideas for what I could make just for messing around and learning PHP?
I just chose this because I had no better ideas lol
prisma wave
Make a basic blog perhaps
jovial warren
if I had premade CSS files with all the designing done for me then maybe that would be a good idea
prisma wave
If you're wanting to learn PHP the frontend is irrelevant though
It could literally just be text
lunar cypress
If you really have no particular interest or reason for learning PHP, I'd give that a second thought
prisma wave
lmao yeah, I shouldn't really be encouraging PHP
ocean quartz
Ayy nice, now it's all handled the same way, console messages, private messages, chat messages
half harness
How come ProtocolLib has "Lib" instead of "API" in its name? Is there a specific reason for that?
ocean quartz
I mean, it's a lib
half harness
but isn't it also an API?
Ive never used protocollib before
so idk
but how would u use it without an api
prisma wave
a lib provides an API, but an API doesn't always have a Lib
half harness
oh
can protocollib be also protocolapi?
iirc
lib = the code that actually does the thing
api = the code/interface that uses the lib to run the code
huh?
wait but how can u use something without an api?
would SomeLib lib = new SomeLib(); be considered an API?
old wyvern
Bm just explained it to you
prisma wave
an API is just an interface for interacting with something else
half harness
okay
prisma wave
not necessarily an interface
old wyvern
An API is (as defined by its expansion) an interface to communicate with another application or library
half harness
would
SomeLib lib = new SomeLib();be considered an API?
As SomeLib doesn't exactly have an "API"
prisma wave
libraries usually provide APIs because otherwise they wouldn't be very useful
old wyvern
^
prisma wave
the API is just the bridge between your code, and the library's code
half harness
what if there is no bridge
would
SomeLib lib = new SomeLib();be considered an API?
As SomeLib doesn't exactly have an "API"
like that
old wyvern
Then its a useles jar
prisma wave
if there was no bridge it would be a bad library
old wyvern
🙂
prisma wave
because there's no way of using it lol
ocean quartz
API is the access point of something, be an application or lib
half harness
would
SomeLib lib = new SomeLib();be considered an API?
As SomeLib doesn't exactly have an "API"
pls answer this 😦
prisma wave
it's such a vague question
half harness
o
half harness
no
old wyvern
oh
half harness
i dont feel like writing a whole class
old wyvern
What is your question then?
prisma wave
if you can use it to interact with a library, it's an API
half harness
OH
wait
how about this:
f i forgot
what i was just gonna type
;-;
public class SomeLib {
public static doSomething() {
System.out.println("hi");
}
}
```how about thisJust an util class
old wyvern
xD
old wyvern
Type
prisma wave
no return type
prisma wave
util is usually a single class
ocean quartz
Util is just a class that provides easy to access things
half harness
ok
prisma wave
libraries are usually bigger projects that do something that wouldn't be easy to write yourself
half harness
wdym
ocean quartz
A lib adds functionality to your code usually through an API
prisma wave
frameworks are just libraries that wrap around your code, rather than the other way around
half harness
how come protocollib doesn't have api in its name
prisma wave
because it doesn't have to lol
half harness
and discontinued protocolapi
ocean quartz
Why would it?
prisma wave
^
half harness
well other plugins have api
prisma wave
the fact that it's a library implies that it has an API
half harness
instead of lib
prisma wave
bruh it's just a name
ocean quartz
ProtocolLib is not a plugin
prisma wave
wdym
for example an image processing library, it would be very time consuming to do that yourself, whereas a util to make gradients in the chat could be written fairly easily
ocean quartz
We already explained what an API is, if you want to put it in the name literally every public project would need to add it lol
half harness
ProtocolManager manager = ProtocolLibrary.getProtocolManager();
manager.addPacketListener(new PacketAdapter(plugin, ListenerPriority.NORMAL, PacketType.Play.Client.CHAT) {
@Override
public void onPacketReceiving(PacketEvent event) {
Player player = event.getPlayer();
PacketContainer packet = event.getPacket();
if (isMuted(player)) {
System.out.println("[MUTED] " + player.getName() + ": " + packet.getStrings().read(0));
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
});
```what is a managerSomething that manages things lol
half harness
o
ocean quartz
That's just english
half harness
ok
half harness
ProtocolManager manager = ProtocolLibrary.getProtocolManager();
manager.addPacketListener(new PacketAdapter(plugin, ListenerPriority.NORMAL, PacketType.Play.Client.CHAT) {
@Override
public void onPacketReceiving(PacketEvent event) {
Player player = event.getPlayer();
PacketContainer packet = event.getPacket();
if (isMuted(player)) {
System.out.println("[MUTED] " + player.getName() + ": " + packet.getStrings().read(0));
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
});
```is ProtocolManager an API?Bruh
prisma wave
the whole thing is an API
prisma wave
because it's how you interact with the library
ocean quartz
Have you been reading what were saying?
prisma wave
"API" is not a formal thing, it's just a thing that you naturally write
you don't usually say "this is my api class"
it just exists
prisma wave
no
half harness
oh
half harness
;-;
prisma wave
APIs are the way you interact with libraries
ocean quartz
Can you access it through your code? Then it's done through an API, API is not a single thing it's the entire thing
half harness
but sometimes APIs have the library intergrated in it
ocean quartz
No
prisma wave
no
ocean quartz
Libs have the API to use it
prisma wave
the library has an API, not the other way around
half harness
like java SomeLib lib = new SomeLib(); lib.doSomething(); wouldn't SomeLib be an API?
ocean quartz
No
ocean quartz
My brain hurts
half harness
😐
ocean quartz
Bm shoot me
prisma wave
shoot me first
half harness
😭
prisma wave
in that (kind of unrealistic) example, that class is part of the API
although it depends
because as I said it's not a formal definition
half harness
how about ```java
SomeAPI api = new SomeLib();
you are confusing yourself with hypotheticals
half harness
:C
ocean quartz
Dude
prisma wave
that's not usually how it works
ocean quartz
API is not a physical thing, it just describes the connection between one application and another or application and a lib
prisma wave
^
half harness
oh
prisma wave
"API" is not a formal thing, it's just a thing that you naturally write
you don't usually say "this is my api class"
it just exists
half harness
so theres no such thing as an api class?
ocean quartz
No
half harness
wut
ocean quartz
There are classes that are part of an API
half harness
mhm
prisma wave
your API could be a single class, it just usually isn't
prisma wave
of what
ocean quartz
How can you give an example of something that is just a concept that describes an interaction
API is literally just the interaction
Nothing more nothing less
half harness
Viaversion has an api class
obtuse gale
Instead of api class wouldn't it be better to say an api that contains a class?
ocean quartz
A library is a collection of functions / objects that serves one particular purpose. you could use a library in a variety of projects.
A framework is a collection of patterns and libraries to help with building an application.
An API is an interface for other programs to interact with your program without having direct access.
To put it another way, think of a library as an add-on / piece of an application , a framework as the skeleton of the application, and an API as an outward-facing part of said app.
prisma wave
thanks
ocean quartz
Please
obtuse gale
Lucky
half harness
im already ded
prisma wave
cheers
the api is the public bit, the library is the messy bit that does all of the work
prisma wave
well first off that will most likely never happen
obtuse gale
Why r u making such a specific caae
prisma wave
^^
half harness
because im curious
prisma wave
you're bringing in hypothetical situations that are pretty much impossible
half harness
what would happen
prisma wave
if you have a project big enough to constitute a library, and it's all in one class then you have bigger problems than "what is the api"
obtuse gale
Spigot is an api that lets you interact with the minecraft server. The entire thing is the api not just the JavaPlugin class
prisma wave
although more specifically, spigot is an application that provides an API
half harness
interact with something else = api
ocean quartz
Here let me try giving you a dumb example
the lib's api:
interface Message
interface Player
lib implementation:
MessageImplementation
PlayerImplementation
#dev-general message this got me confused
prisma wave
i literally clarified what i meant a few messages later
APIs are the way you interact with libraries
half harness
interact with something else = api
so if you can interact with something its an api
Are these different?
prisma wave
slightly
half harness
I guess
prisma wave
you can interact with the spigot internals, that doesn't mean they are an API
half harness
huh?
prisma wave
nms
prisma wave
if you are using NMS you are not using an API because you're interacting with the library / application directly
half harness
huh????
ocean quartz
When you eat an apple, the eating part is the API
ocean quartz
The apple
half harness
but ur interacting with NMS even if you're not supposed to
prisma wave
let's oversimplify it:
Is it public? probably part of the API
Is it private / hidden? Probably part of the library / application
ocean quartz
This is so dumb
half harness
ur running its methods
prisma wave
yes
but you're bypassing the API part
to interact directly
it's about abstraction
half harness
oh
ocean quartz
but ur interacting with NMS even if you're not supposed to
You don't do that through the API
prisma wave
^
ocean quartz
No CraftBukkit does
half harness
i meant cb
prisma wave
CraftBukkit is nms
half harness
im confused again
ocean quartz
CraftBukkit is not the API is the software
prisma wave
lol no
prisma wave
maybe it is
the entire thing is called Bukkit
but the actual server is called Craftbukkit
prisma wave
yes
old wyvern
weird thought:
If a human is an application, its senses are the API
prisma wave
old wyvern
👀
prisma wave
human is more of an application than a library
half harness
oOf
old wyvern
fair enough
ocean quartz
Basically, and it uses the API to interact with the other libs in the universe software
old wyvern
There we go
ocean quartz
Makes sense since we live in a simulation
half harness
okay, another question -
Is it possible to eliminate dependencies and somehow just implement it in my own plugin?
prisma wave
that's called shading
half harness
can u do it with gradle?
prisma wave
you probably already do
half harness
o
prisma wave
if you've ever used shadowjar
half harness
nope
prisma wave
never used mf-gui or anything?
half harness
nope
half harness
how do I do it?
onyx loom
shadowjar gradle plugin
half harness
https://imperceptiblethoughts.com/shadow/introduction/ is this the wiki?
onyx loom
relocate, build with shadowjar
half harness
it just says shadow
prisma wave
what library are you intending to shade
half harness
idk
lemme look for one for an example
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/signgui.17781/ how about this 👀 not possible?
old wyvern
and we are all tiny modules
We are weakly referenced objects in an ever growing heap waiting to be GCed
🥲
prisma wave
😟
onyx loom
cant wait to be garbage collected myself
old wyvern
Well they already improved the GC a lot in the 2020 covid update
so I guess time to wait
prisma wave
lmao
onyx loom
just a little longer 🥲
prisma wave
https://img.bristermitten.me/20-44-15.png
System.out.println("block = " + block);
String name = block.name().toLowerCase();
System.out.println("name = " + name);```
what
onyx loom
e_block
prisma wave
whAT
onyx loom
e_block
prisma wave
WHY
onyx loom
E_BLOCK
prisma wave
it seems to be something to do with that
but why
how
it's also breaking my GUIs for some reason
obtuse gale
but wait, Material overrides Enum#name??
obtuse gale
d;spigot material#name
ruby craterBOT
There was no direct match for that query, did you mean any of the following?: org.bukkit.Material#values org.bukkit.Material#valueOf org.bukkit.Material#isBurnable org.bukkit.Material#getId org.bukkit.Material#isAir
obtuse gale
non
prisma wave
Spigot does some hacky fuckery to keep legacy support afaik
but it's also causing MANY issues
obtuse gale
d;spigot material#tostring
ruby craterBOT
There was no direct match for that query, did you mean any of the following?: org.bukkit.material.MaterialData#toString org.bukkit.material.MaterialData#toString org.bukkit.material.MaterialData#toString org.bukkit.material.MaterialData#toString org.bukkit.material.MaterialData#toString
obtuse gale
lol
obtuse gale
lmao
hot hull
Ock!
obtuse gale
henlo frrosti
hot hull
Henlo
obtuse gale
yes
hot hull
Anyone wanna judge something I had to cook up in like two hours for an event cause the spigot plugin that was supposed to be used didn't work at all
prisma wave
Ock
ocean quartz
My judgment is already "bad!" smh
ocean quartz
double quotes in gradle scripts 😐
Is better
prisma wave
no
hot hull
It's so much nicer than single quotes
ocean quartz
Yes
onyx loom
NO
prisma wave
single quote gang
onyx loom
😎
prisma wave
horrible
onyx loom
disgusting
prisma wave
absolutely horrible
hot hull
Matt, I'm using your msg lib and I forgot to disable the ____ formatting so some names were italic :p
ocean quartz
__ __ or _ _? Because __ should be underline
hot hull
Discord formatted it
prisma wave
way to reinforce the "matt framework" monopoly... 🙄
ocean quartz
Also Frosty what happened here?
prisma wave
good question
onyx loom
thats what happens when u use ""
prisma wave
^^
prisma wave
obviously a "" user doesn't know how to properly format things!
onyx loom
!!!
hot hull
Matt, I was rushing and didn't format lol
hot hull
Can't wait to have even shittier performance on 1.17
steel heart
not that worse
steel heart
we will have enhanced caves also :]
hot hull
Only thing I'm hiped about Kali
ocean quartz
Also @hot hull you might wanna change your wildcard import settings
hot hull
Oof thanks for noticing, it used to only fuck up when using kotlin
ocean quartz
I have mine at 1000 and static at 20
For both Kotlin and Java
I hate it that it's separate
hot hull
I think those settings messed up not so long ago, cause I had a project which had a lot more and it didn't fuck with wildcards
kindred hatch
lol
ocean quartz
That moment when you make something and don't remember how it works
static zealot
That moment when you make something and you don't remember what you made 
ocean quartz
Like, i don't remember how i made it so a injected node would skip the color check and let the following node be colored like the previous one xD
But hey it works so not gonna complain
half harness
For packages, what are some packages that I should use? (such as making a util package)
somber tulip
entirely depends on your project, for example if you're using some form of database a database package would be a good implementation
old wyvern
do what stuff?
somber tulip
Inside the package so the package may be me.dkim19375.<plugin>.database and then inside that you'd put the classes that do the database handling
old wyvern
um use singular instead of plural forms
ocean quartz
Not exactly a good example, but here is my current project packages
half harness
whats func?
ocean quartz
Functions
somber tulip
Is that kotlin matt?
ocean quartz
Yeah
half harness
wait what would go in functions package
ocean quartz
Top level functions
half harness
?
ocean quartz
Basically utils yeah
somber tulip
Kotlin has extension functions? So for example, I could add another function to a String? such as "Hello World".myCustomFunction()
ocean quartz
Kotlin has extension functions? So for example, I could add another function to ...
Yeah, it's awesome
distant sun
Yes harolds
ocean quartz
then what goes in permissions package
Permissions
Components
And chat related stuff lol
It's descriptive
half harness
wdym permissions
half harness
you can just check for permissions using Player#hasPermission im confused
distant sun
thanks java
Well java was invented in 1970 or smth xd jetbrains had a lot of time to learn
onyx loom
1970 :sus:
somber tulip
Fair
Wish I was learning kotlin at uni but they're old school-ish and I'm on scala :/
distant sun
F
ocean quartz
@somber tulip For example:
internal fun String.parseMarkdown(options: MessageOptions) = MarkdownParser(options).parse(this
So i can "**Hello!**".parseMarkdown() instead of MarkdownParser(options).parse("**Hello!**")
somber tulip
😦 so useful.
distant sun
whats up with internal thingo
ocean quartz
I don't want them to be public
old wyvern
Module level hiding
ocean quartz
^
distant sun
So is only available to your project or to that package?
old wyvern
btw, for some reason even with just the changed name, I couldnt access internal variables from Java
old wyvern
So is only available to your project or to that package?
in the module
half harness
If I had a minigames plugin what package would I put most of the code in?
ocean quartz
The module, so like
api
plugin
Since it's only on plugin it'll only be accessible inside the plugin module
distant sun
Aight
old wyvern
If I had a minigames plugin what package would I put most of the code in?
are you talking about your base package?
half harness
no
ocean quartz
In Java it'll look like Method$plugin though
onyx loom
well it depends what this minigame will be doing
onyx loom
all packages will depend entirely on what ur making, we cant name the packages for u
as long as theyre descriptive and corresponding it shouldnt really matter
distant sun
In Java it'll look like `Method$plugin` though
What's the equivalent for "internal" in java
old wyvern
What's the equivalent for "internal" in java
There is none
half harness
https://github.com/tastybento/askyblock/tree/master/src/com/wasteofplastic/askyblock in here they put a lot of the classes in the base package, I want to put it in another one to make my javaplugin class the only one
ocean quartz
What's the equivalent for "internal" in java
Closes thing to it would maybe be protected but not even that is close
distant sun
Ok
old wyvern
Wait why protected?
ocean quartz
Idk, it's the closest thing to public without being public in java xD
old wyvern
hmm fair enough
obtuse gale
package private?
ocean quartz
Not exactly
obtuse gale
ok
lunar cypress
Package private would be closer because internal doesn't allow access from foreign sub classes either I believe
prisma wave
Wish I was learning kotlin at uni but they're old school-ish and I'm on scala :/
Scala is still a respectable language
And Kotlin borrows a lot from scala
onyx loom
better than learning visual basic like i did for college
old wyvern
Yes
onyx loom
yes?
old wyvern
No need of plugins
somber tulip
Oh no, definitely. I'm by no means upset to be learning scala however, since scala skews further from java kotlin would be easier for me to learn and understand in comparison
old wyvern
Use terminal
onyx loom
good luck
prisma wave
I would say scala is probably more valuable to learn
Because it gives you knowledge of FP alongside OOP from java
lunar cypress
Learning things you don't know yet is a good thing (hot take ik)
prisma wave
And once you know them both Kotlin is trivial
prisma wave
Learning things you don't know yet is a good thing (hot take ik)
Wait really???
onyx loom
very hot take
lunar cypress
The new Scala revision has just come out hasn't it
prisma wave
No idea
lunar cypress
Really cool stuff I remember reading about
prisma wave
Scala is definitely cool
I've hardly used it but it seems cool
No algebraic data types though so +1 to elara
onyx loom
that one time u used scala for a plugin 👀
prisma wave
That's the only time I've used it lol
lunar cypress
Ah yes Dotty/Scala 3
somber tulip
How did you even get the plugin to launch with scala wtf lmao
prisma wave
Scala was one of the easiest
Because it compiles to plain Bytecode
Clojure was the hardest because it does classloader stuff which spigot doesn't like
lunar cypress
Btw, I was just scrolling through #showcase, came across @Andre_601#0601 s blog post and... holy shit, this other dude's article is hilarious in every way
prisma wave
kangarko's?
lunar cypress
Yes
lunar cypress
Me too lmfao
Though he somehow managed to make it even more ridiculous with the Gandhi quote at the end
prisma wave
That was the icing on the cake
He takes himself so seriously
In the last 8 years, SpigotMC has failed to provide a tutorial on using their own software that’s complete, simple, up-to-date, structured and with personal customer support. Instead, they’d call people idiots and wonder why little donations have been raised. We built our classes out of the need to help people understand their software.
... what?
im rereading this and it's even worse
like
in what sense is spigot obligated to do that
lunar cypress
You know it's good when it's just a bunch of random screenshots taken out of context and crying about free speech because the mean internet people didn't let you scam enough people
prisma wave
Governments want to ruin hobbyists and small entrepreneurs, forcing them to go out of business by imposing restrictions and lockdowns.
He also added a subtle anti-lockdown point 🤔
lunar cypress
Yeah, good start
onyx loom
lol
prisma wave
It's so dumb, he was obnoxiously advertising for months and doesn't even acknowledge that
lunar cypress
You immediately recognise the type
I've actually looked at his course about 1.5 years ago and it was very fishy to say the least
prisma wave
I've seen some of the code they use
it's hillariously bad
let me try and find it
This was it
they encourage all of the users to use it as far as I know
onyx loom
first thing i see
prisma wave
obviously
lunar cypress
Oh lord
prisma wave
Yep
lunar cypress
LMFAO I just discovered the burner email I used to get the free trial of the course again
Jfc
So many ads
onyx loom
🥶
prisma wave
I have no idea what's going on
obtuse gale
what the fuck is that
onyx loom
https://github.com/kangarko/Foundation/blob/889a84d5e9d157a7b64a297e01aa5995d2ebbe50/src/main/java/org/mineacademy/fo/plugin/SimplePlugin.java#L130 this is also great
prisma wave
wat
obtuse gale
obtuse gale
no lol
obtuse gale
A dirty way...
yeah fuck off lmao
lunar cypress
https://github.com/kangarko/Foundation/blob/acfefbf90385c37c4a4c92e0e24ddbe69b50...
When you order optimisation on wish.com
obtuse gale
private static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;
lunar cypress
> private static final long serialVersionUID = 1L;
<:ACOSP_what:7095792440192532...
Well that is java serialisation for you
lunar cypress
Fair enough LOL
prisma wave
arbitrary values are arbitrary
obtuse gale
for that matter I'll just use 0L in all my serializable classes
that's stupid
lazy
lunar cypress
"Running garbage collection... increasing delay between operations... hacking the mainframe..."
prisma wave
lunar cypress
Oh I really wanna see if the course material has gotten any better
prisma wave
highly unlikely
prisma wave
yeah it should be
distant sun
Makes sense
distant sun
What is a proper way to check though?
I know bstats uses a byte[] with their package in it
prisma wave
there isn't really a way that doesn't involve minor hacks
midnight cape
What is the symbol of the lines that appear in the categories?
prisma wave
relates to where variables are stored - volatile things are always stored in memory rather than a cpu cache so every core sees the same value
it's a multithreading thing
onyx loom
very useful in mc
prisma wave
INCREDIBLY useful
onyx loom
🌝
lunar cypress
That's not how volatile is specified but I think we discussed this here once already
onyx loom
it's a multithreading thing
well this part is true yeah
prisma wave
Claimed another victim
prisma wave
never saw it coming
onyx loom
lol
prisma wave
🤔
crisp trout
@prisma wave @onyx loom what?
prisma wave
what?
crisp trout
Claimed another victim
this
crisp trout
nope
prisma wave
okay
crisp trout
what is it?
prisma wave
Clojure is a dynamically typed programming language that runs on the JVM and JavaScript. It is a Lisp, and adopts the functional paradigm with strong support for metaprogramming, multithreading, and statefulness
onyx loom
😂
crisp trout
no problem
pearl kiln
@prisma wave thinks everyone is a developer 😛
lavish wigeon
hello , my premium role haven't update as i have brought the DeluxeChat
want to get a support
obtuse gale
Tried kotlin?
ocean quartz
<@266973575225933824> thinks everyone is a developer 😛
Well this is dev channel xD
frail glade
hello , my premium role haven't update as i have brought the DeluxeChat
Just ask in #general-plugins
lavish wigeon
Just ask in <#164280494874165248>
hmmm i want to upload photos
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FAQ Answer:
lavish wigeon
thx
obtuse gale
lol
pearl kiln
Well this is dev channel xD
You right
ocean quartz
@pearl kiln Any specific reason for the friend request?
ocean quartz
I see
obtuse gale
hot hull
Y u change pfp @obtuse gale
quiet depot
@old wyvern that scanner is so bad lol
first page is hella blurry
nvm last page is even worse
hot hull
How does one set a block from an itemstack, this used to be a thing iirc but it doesn't seem to be anymore in 1.16.4
old wyvern
uh Block#setType
hot hull
yugi...
old wyvern
What were you looking for then?
hot hull
before you could apply an itemstack meaning the block would have a let's say texture if it was a head
I looked at BlockData but doesn't seem to have any options for that
might just switch to armor stands with heads since that might allow for more customisability
old wyvern
before you could apply an itemstack meaning the block would have a let's say tex...
Are you sure that was a thing?
hot hull
I'm like 70% sure, unless I'm being an idiot rn
old wyvern
I dont think it was, Ive only seen people make workarounds for their specific cases
hot hull
my brain no work anymore
quiet depot
you used to be able to use materialdata
but that's deprecated
so what ur trying to do isn't possible anymore afaik
hot hull
Lemme test
quiet depot
d;spigot itemstack#getdata
ruby craterBOT
quiet depot
d;spigot block#setdata
ruby craterBOT
There was no direct match for that query, did you mean any of the following?: org.bukkit.block.Block#getData org.bukkit.metadata.Metadatable#hasMetadata org.bukkit.metadata.Metadatable#setMetadata org.bukkit.block.BlockState#setData org.bukkit.block.Block#setBlockData
quiet depot
d;spigot blockstate#setdata
ruby craterBOT
quiet depot
yeah but you can't get blockdata from an item stack afaik
hot hull
Anyhow yea it's possible
(itemstack was in the context of I thought it being a thing before, I can just set it normally)
little hamlet
?json
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FAQ Answer:
lunar cypress
Isn't that effectively what it does though?
It's implementation detail
The JVM is too virtualised to make that statement
hot hull
rate on ew scale from 1 - 10
MessageHandler.TREASURE_FOUND.executeForPlayer(
player,
"{player-name}", player.getName(),
"{treasure-rarity}", treasure.getFormattedType(),
"{treasure-points}", String.valueOf(treasure.getTreasureType().getPoints()),
"{user-points}", String.valueOf(userController.getPointsForUser(player))
);
wow a 10
u dumb
ew @distant sun What is this naming!!11!
final Action Action =
distant sun
:)
hot hull
Using your lib cause I can't be bothered to convert mine to java yet
obtuse gale
hello
hot hull
cause running java 15 and it don't work :sad:
obtuse gale
omg i need help so gosh dang bad
hot hull
Don't we all Hazy
obtuse gale
hey frosty do you know how to work esssentials?
distant sun
I have to change some stuff but =/
obtuse gale
okay so im literally having anxiety and shit because i cant really
its so hard
im stressing so much
hot hull
Gaby, I could potentially PR 😏
obtuse gale
i need help with essentials with making ranks, setting perms and setting perms for kits
distant sun
By change I mean rewrite most of it xd
obtuse gale
if anyone can help please dm me im literally losing my mind, its with the essentials plugin
hot hull
yeye Gaby
distant sun
#general-plugins @obtuse gale
hot hull
I mean could potentially contribute to mine if you want Gaby
hot hull
I got the base done just need to add the different actions
obtuse gale
i just need instant help but i can wait
distant sun
Will see, I dont have much time rn =/
obtuse gale
all i need
is how to set it up
can we please dm and i can voice chat explain what i need help with
somber widget
Is it posible to make an item entchanted when you click on it in your GUI and when you click agian it un antchants
old wyvern
Yes
somber widget
Oke is it also possible to do it with placeholderapi?
somber widget
Yea nvm
hot hull
:bruh:
[13:03:00 WARN]: java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.PacketPlayOutChat.<init>(net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.IChatBaseComponent,net.minecraft.server.v1_16_R3.ChatMessageType)
prisma wave
It's implementation detail
I see
prisma wave
https://www.baeldung.com/java-lambda-exceptions @half harness you might find this useful
