dev-general

[crude cloud]

^

[prisma wave]

yeah im guessing this is not gonna happen for like 10 years

[quiet depot]

do u guys think anyones gonna be writing java in 10 years

[prisma wave]

having watched the video i guess having witness methods seems to solve this

which is pretty neat

[prisma wave]

people will be writing java in 100 years

[quiet depot]

ahh

[ocean quartz]

Nah we all got replaced by AI about 6 months ago according to some CEOs

[crude cloud]

I replaced my best friend with AI

sorry matt

[ocean quartz]

[quiet depot]

just like I play with my vacuum tubes I suppose

[crude cloud]

your nipples?

[quiet depot]

well

yes

[crude cloud]

ok ok

[quiet depot]

no the computer vacuum tubes

[nocturne apex]

what the

[quiet depot]

ok like early computers used vacuum tubes as switches right

brister was saying we'd still use java in 100 years

[prisma wave]

keep digging bro

[quiet depot]

I said just like my vacuum tubes

[nocturne apex]

nah my reaction was to the nipples

[quiet depot]

breh

[nocturne apex]

am stunned

may I get a vid or something

[quiet depot]

we don't have an nsfw channel anymore

[nocturne apex]

my DMs are always opened for u

[quiet depot]

what did you want me to send you my paypal.me or something?

[nocturne apex]

I can subscribe to ur of

[quiet depot]

nah it's sorta just like send me money

and then you can hope you get something in return

[nocturne apex]

didnt know that

[quiet depot]

sometimes the hope is more exciting than actually getting something

maybe

just convince yourself of that

never be disappointed

[nocturne apex]

gambling be like

you can win 2000% but you can only lose 100%

[quiet depot]

99% of gamblers quit before they win big

[quiet depot]

hasn't the dead internet theory been a thing for ages

[ocean quartz]

That's a different thing, I was talking about programming Jobs
But yeah dead internet has been for longer

[quiet depot]

oh right

[half harness]

update after a few months:
squashing is awesome lol
one thing that I didn't consider before is that github automatically adds the PR # to the commit name, so if you need to have see the commit history in more depth, it's very easy to do so
and plus, commit names are almost always informative since there's less of them, so it's not as much of an annoyance to properly name

_ _
although one downside (albeit very very very minor) is that every commit is verified (even if it's made up of entirely unverified commits) because the squashed commits get merged by GitHub 🙃

but I mean there isn't really a solution to that

[crude cloud]

i mean you can squash-merge locally

but at that point you stop using github's pr merging

[brazen ether]

trying out nim

type
  Vec3 = tuple[x: float64, y: float64, z: float64]

proc `∙` (a: Vec3, b: Vec3): float64 =
  result = a.x * b.x + a.y * b.y + a.z * b.z

proc `×` (a: Vec3, b: Vec3): Vec3 =
  result = (
    x: a.y * b.z - a.z * b.y, 
    y: a.z * b.x - a.x * b.z, 
    z: a.x * b.y - a.y * b.x,
  )

proc `⊙` (a: Vec3, b: Vec3): Vec3 =
  result = (
    x: a.x * b.x,
    y: a.y * b.y,
    z: a.z * b.z,
  )

proc main() =
  let v1 = (x: 1.0, y: 0.0, z: 0.0)
  let v2 = (x: 0.0, y: 1.0, z: 0.0)
  let cross = v1 × v2;
  let dot = v1 ∙ v2;
  let hadamard = v1 ⊙ v2;
  echo cross
  echo dot
  echo hadamard

main()

[prisma wave]

kinda cute

the result = stuff is a bit odd

[brazen ether]

it's like

it makes a bit more sense when you think of cpp move semantics

how you're just directly setting the output

instead of thinking of copies and whatnot

it's interesting

i'm writing a fluid-solid sim in this language to figure it out

[unkempt cloak]

why you got a titty symbol ⊙

[wind patio]

ill stick to java thanks

[nocturne apex]

xD

[brazen ether]

no spice in your life

[wind patio]

well I do some php (laravel) & js/ts (react) as well, that's about it

[cinder flare]

see that’s why you gotta get some real spice, gotta get into APL or BQN or Uiua

[brazen ether]

Nim has comptime AST modification macros

not as good as Jai

but

I really want to write a super optimizer for lin alg related stuff eventually

Jonathan Blow talked in a video about compiler restrictions, how for example Rust gives you a set of restrictions A to give you guarantees B (memory safety). I wanna try and explore what other restrictions you could do to reach different guarantees, for example state machines or some sort of more ergonomic prover that you could selectively enable/use in parts of your program to lose certain features for strong guarantees

since Rust's A->B can't be the only possible such arrangement, there must exist other useful restrictions, which are already studied in computer science but rarely enforced strictly

[lavish notch]

Does anyone know if SpigotMC has any sort of automatic checks for viruses and/or backdoors in plugins posted to their site?

I've seen a few users recently refuse to download anything that isn't from SpigotMC which is fair enough but it's because they believe they have protection from a dozen common viruses/etc when downloading via SpigotMC.

As far as I'm aware, SpigotMC doesn't have anything which does these kinds of checks and relies on users reporting the resources as malware, etc.

[agile galleon]

Have never heard of that either, no. I just know that they do a quality check on new premium plugins but beyond that idk

[lavish notch]

That's what I thought too. Had someone 3-star my plugin because of an issue but they refuse to try any sort of dev/pre-release jar because they 'only download plugins from spigotmc'.

[pastel imp]

that's why I don't deal with spigotmc nor spigotmc users

most of them are brainwashed by spigot lol

[lavish notch]

I want to fucking kill myself - this 3-star kid clearly uses AI and is refusing to be understanding about an issue caused by the plugin being 10+ years old.

The outstanding issue is how to handle broken configs (e.g. invalid YAML characters) on server startup - I believe the plugin should just disable instead of loading default configs to prevent confusion and panic for people with highly customised configs encase they think for a moment they lost all their work. As the average SpigotMC user is stupid

Look at one of their plugins for example, at the bottom "Source code available on Github" and literally just links to github home page.
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/virtualchest.132462/

Also they updated their review to 5-stars but started it with a negative comment...

(the feedback is valid but like, please let me fix it first and then leave a nicer review once fixed)

They have their GitHub activity private, I give up on life.

Having GitHub activity private just screams like crazy amount of pro-privacy (not sure what the right word is for it) kind of person which are the kind of people you just can't help.

[pastel imp]

simple fix to your stress: ditch spigotmc

[lavish notch]

But where to go is the question?

*with a paid resource

[pastel imp]

The only one I can honestly really vouch is MCModels, only marketplace that is decent and good quality.

poly and bbb kinda suck imo

[lavish notch]

I agree haha.

[pastel imp]

yet you use something that is 10x worse xD

[lavish notch]

I might be bold and say SpigotMC is better than BBB just based on it's community.

If you're going purely based on the platform and it's features/api, then BBB is better than SpigotMC

[pastel imp]

Spigot's community? Damn that must be a joke, any community is better than spigot's community. Spigot's community is just a bunch of kids who barely know anything

and that's not even exaggerating

[lavish notch]

And BBB is just teens and young adults who think they are making the next Hypixel.

I'd rather have impressionable users than thick hypixel wannabes.

[pastel imp]

Better than the spigot ones

[nocturne apex]

there's none

[lavish notch]

Do you happen to know what is downloading a release instantly after publication? This user sees that when they release an update to Spigot (because they have some plugins on Spigot made by AI), they see the download counter instantly go to 1 instead of 0.

They believe that download count increase is some malware checker.

[nocturne apex]

uhmmm thats interesting, however Ive also seen many plugins being infected

and also plugins w backdoors & such

[lavish notch]

Same here. I also haven't personally noticed this download count bump on release as I'm not religiously looking at stats like that on release.

[nocturne apex]

yeh same

I noticed it only while publishing new paid resource

but otherwise I havent seen any download count bump

but yeh am not on spigot for some time, so something might changed?

[lavish notch]

Who knows, all I know is I now definitely hate AI as this kid was useless as providing me errors and kept quoting AI on how I should be fixing the issue.

The best I got was the "the plugin is disabled" error from them which means nothing without the prior stacktrace that led to it getting disabled. 😔

[nocturne apex]

xDDD

well AI aint useless if u know how to use it

and obv this kid wont know how to use it hahah

[lavish notch]

Knows it enough to publish shitty plugins on Spigot without knowing what it means to give someone a latest.log or an actual error.

They then thought me asking for a latest.log after a restart was lazy.

[nocturne apex]

wtf xDDD

I hate that spigot just does not care abt review reports

bcs this one is just simply stupid

[lavish notch]

90% sure the quote marks are because they got AI to write their review haha.

But yeah, super stupid.

[dapper pawn]

Apologies for the ping @ocean quartz, but is there any way we could report scammers from #1456082817833242818

[ocean quartz]

</report:947290718299357205>

[dapper pawn]

thanks.

[lavish notch]

Oh lord, it gets worse - they've done a Forum Post:
https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/tutorial-creating-professional-plugins-with-google-gemini-ai-for-absolute-beginners.717737/

[nocturne apex]

xDD

[brittle leaf]

woeful

[brazen ether]

Google Gemini Ai

Maven

holy slop

[ocean quartz]

Option A: IntelliJ IDEA (The Pro Way)

The pro way!

They didn't even follow their own tutorial, the project structure isn't correct 😔
https://github.com/comonier/NetheriteSilkSpawners

[nocturne apex]

I've went the pro way!

[abstract osprey]

.vscode tells me everything I need to know

[nocturne apex]

was thinking the same

[still portal]

why the hell is the only java class outside of the source folder alongside the config 😭

luckily the plugin.yml is in the right place

[nocturne apex]

wait fr?

xDDD

[lavish notch]

It annoys me so much that they thought me asking for a "latest.log after a server restart" was lazy after only giving me the standard "plugin is disabled" error/warning message - just shows how little they know about making plugins.

[crude cloud]

hm? who is "they"?

oh that same person

[lavish notch]

Yup.

They gave me wall of text, I asked for latest log, they gave me another wall of text, I asked for latest log again and then they waffled about how a 10+ year old plugin should be perfect and then gave 3-star review calling my attempts to help them 'dismissive'.

https://tenor.com/btdiK.gif

Might have said already but they were mass-changing the config without even being familiar with how the plugin works in-game. For example, they were confused how an item in the config shared a gui slot with another item and deleted the 2 second item without thinking to have a look ingame as to how things show-up. This broke the plugin as it doesn't have code (yet) to support deleting of buttons and we have stuff everywhere saying set slot to -1 to disable/hide. It's a weird design choice, I know - it's just how shit has evolved over 10 years and is a relatively minor issue compared to other higher priority features & bug fixes.

Like honestly, who installs a relatively complex plugin and changes shit without looking at it in-game first.

[wind patio]

tbh take a chill pill bro

its not that deep

[pastel imp]

is this still about the spigot stuff?

lol

[vocal trout]

I had to link my github account

[pastel imp]

yes

intended

[vocal trout]

so cruel

[pastel imp]

more like failsafe

[vocal trout]

anyways

what's the drama about

[pastel imp]

to keep most people out of here

apparently spigot

[vocal trout]

ooo

[pastel imp]

which is his own fault for using spigotmc in the first place

[vocal trout]

I remember thirsty virus made a vid

about spigot stuff

[pastel imp]

I am all in for venting, but don't get mad when you choose the platform and now complain about the people in it xD

[vocal trout]

polymart is byfar

somewhat better

[pastel imp]

poly is not the best

but anything is better than spigotmc

lol

[vocal trout]

bbt is eww

but I like their implementation of tebex

[forest pecan]

Shitting on spigot as if they killed your family 😭

Has no chill at all

[pastel imp]

https://blog.cloudflare.com/vinext/

[abstract osprey]

oh fucking hell

last time this didn't go very well

[nocturne apex]

here we go again xDD

[prisma wave]

This time we really did it for real!!

I promise there are NO todos

[brazen ether]

Nim MIGHT be peak

    for x, y in sim.Fω.indices:
      let κ = (
        x: κ(x, Nx, L.x),
        y: κ(y, Ny, L.y),
      )

      if κ.x == 0.0 and κ.y == 0.0: continue
      
      let E = exp(-ν * κ.abs2 * Δt_new)
      let Fω_c = sim.Fω[x, y]
      let B = (1.0 - E) / (ν * κ.abs2)
      let N = sim.N[x, y]

      sim.Fω[x, y] = E * Fω_c + B * N

operator overloading goes hard

proc set_circle_χ[Nx, Ny: static int](
  χ: var Field[Nx, Ny, float64],
  extents: Vec2D,
  t: float64,
  o: Vec2D,
  v: Vec2D,
  r: float64,
  smoothing: float64,
) =
  # convert from real-space to node-space
  let f = (x: Nx / extents.x, y: Ny / extents.y)
  let p = (o + v * t) ⊙ f
  let rr = (r * Nx / extents.x) * (r * Nx / extents.x)

  for x, y in χ.indices:
    var d = (float64(x), float64(y)) - p
    d.x -= round(d.x / Nx) * Nx
    d.y -= round(d.y / Ny) * Ny

    χ[x, y] =
      if d.abs2 <= rr: 1.0
      else: 0.0

  smooth_gaussian(χ, smoothing, extents)

part of a cfd code for context

probably isn't great for a lot of people but i love the ability to use nonstandard characters in identifiers with no extra friction... for scientific stuff it's really much more readable and is not much harder to type if you use something like vim

[still portal]

https://x.com/rauchg/status/2026864132423823499?s=46&t=VQPyJPOTg93v1ND6b2TLgw

Guillermo Rauch (@rauchg)

We've identified, responsibly disclosed, and confirmed 2 critical, 2 high, 2 medium, 1 low security vulnerabilities in Cloudflare's vibe-coded framework Vinext.

We believe the security of the internet is the highest priority, especially in the age of AI. Vibe coding is a useful

X · Feb 26, 2026, 3:37 AM

[brazen ether]

lmfa

badcop (@badcop_)

free app idea for vibe coders!!

salespeople tend to do a lot of travel. imagine they can put in all of the locations they need to visit for the year, and it plans out the shortest route that visits all of them once before finally returning home

why has nobody built this yet?

vxTwitter / fixvx · Feb 26, 2026, 2:15 AM

[oblique heath]

we need a vibe coded app that accepts a piece of code and determines how long it takes to run / if it will run infinitely

[brazen ether]

this would be so useful for scripting languages.. why hasn't anyone made it ??

tbh with how smart AI is getting it would be nice if it could help figure out how to run my 2^N algorithms in polynomial time, seems like a pretty obvious performance improvement

[brittle leaf]

isnt that just a turing machine?

[prisma wave]

isnt what just a turing machine?

[brazen ether]

why are we turning machines

[crude cloud]

#WeAreTuringMachines

oh shoot

i almost forgot to /daily today

[prisma wave]

we fight for the halting problem

[unkempt cloak]

isnt what just a turing machine?

[potent nest]

Turing is just a machine

[brazen ether]

I don't push code. I push ideas.

[prisma wave]

inspiring.

[unkempt cloak]

Don't get inspired, be the one who inspires.

[crude cloud]

by that definition, no-one is inspiring

[brazen ether]

true

[unkempt cloak]

One who seeks attention, is one who also seeks betrayal.

[brazen ether]

attention makes you well renowned and opens doors

[potent nest]

A monad is just a monoid in the category of endofunctors

[wind patio]

a person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts

[unkempt cloak]

Do you ever ask yourself why A students always work for C students?

[potent nest]

what does that mean

[oblique star]

too much tiktok

how I'd interpret it.

[pastel imp]

means that people that are academically good don't always have the most succesful careers.

which is true

People that want to open up businesses etc usually use university for networking, etc.

Very rarely are they A students

hence the whole A students working for C students is actually true

all quotes have some truth to it

[brazen ether]

one of the biggest midwit sayings im ngl

[brazen ether]

nah they're just not correlated as much as one might think

[brazen ether]

Nah

only if you purposefully give vast amounts of leniency in interpretation to everything

most quotes are useless generalizations that kill nuance

[agile galleon]

There are plenty of C students working at mickey ds as well so make whatever you think of that quote

[pastel imp]

yeah that's the better way to say it

either way, one's success is not measured by a degree lol

[brazen ether]

most successful business people I know find school incredibly easy and if they do have bad grades it's because they're too busy making 3x more than the teachers, not because they're not academically skilled

not everyone but what I'm saying is it just depends too much to say much

[pastel imp]

Well, funny you say that cause I do know some like that, but I also do know many that are quite the opposite.

were never academically strong but have very successful businesses

which at the end just means, if that person was made to do a business, they will do it

with or without a degree

[brazen ether]

yeah it's just orthogonal

[cerulean ibex]

f students are inventors 😭 😭

[forest pecan]

😭

grades probably do have some correlation for success however

but that doesn't mean that everyone who is succesful has good grades

[forest pecan]

not necessarily

[oblique star]

tho unlikely

[brazen ether]

they do

[brazen ether]

tbf most people naturally have A's depending on where ur looking at

[forest pecan]

yeah exactly

[brazen ether]

it's not like finance bros in college are all failing their classes

[forest pecan]

also grades are so subjective between universities

[brazen ether]

multi threading feels so good when you're not memory bound

got 10x perf improvement with simple parallelization. because for once i wasn't processing like (many) GBs of data. awesome.

[pastel imp]

Took some finances classes, shit is easy

[potent nest]

In a perfect world you wouldn’t need to do parallelization yourself

[brazen ether]

true

esp for smth simple like this

I wrote it in Nim which has strong meta programming which I could probably do to do some very cool automatic parallelization

[crude cloud]

I still wonder what evolved programming models and languages for Intel Itanium would look like many generations down the line

but oh well x86 and arm won

threading is an afterthought

cpu designers and software developers alike have to carry the burden of the past, while cpus work completely differently than they did 30 years ago to the point your code isn't really what is actually being executed and instruction microcode is genuine witchcraft

[brazen ether]

wow #1477468991231365150 is full of brainrot

[plain eagle]

Shots fired on @unkempt cloak

[unkempt cloak]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-my-mom-is-kinda-homeless-please-speed-i-need-this-tired-blow-gif-15401023925154467112

[prisma wave]

wow #dev-general is full of brainrot

[crude cloud]

not anymore

[compact perch]

Hey son,

What did Yoda say when he saw himself in 4K? "HDMI"

Hey son,

What do you call an eagle who can play the piano? Talonted!

[prisma wave]

xD

[unkempt cloak]

A smart person is someone who invents, let that sink in.

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-let-it-sink-in-just-let-that-sink-in-for-a-second-sink-in-just-let-it-sink-in-gif-8123437065920778985

[prisma wave]

a sigma is someone who goesn't give a cr*p. Let that sink in.

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-shelby-smoke-akcme2-gif-2737902559206986994

[unkempt cloak]

I main sigma in overwatch

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-overwatch2-sigma-gif-27106116

[prisma wave]

sigma balls

[unkempt cloak]

i prefer the old brister mitten

bring back the red mitten pfp 🥹

[prisma wave]

what red mitten pfp

oh

ok

ai generated brister mitten

did you hear about this?

https://unclanked.com/news/minecraft/helpchat/retromf-tragically-killed-by-sink

[brazen ether]

is this real

[onyx loom]

still waiting for soldier pfp to come back 💔

[prisma wave]

bro i just had it and then i got told i should change it

cant win here 😭

[wind patio]

change back to tf2 soldier wtf

[ocean quartz]

Make a gif where each stays for like 2 seconds and you'll make both people happy

[unkempt cloak]

wtf

[unkempt cloak]

btw im an OG MCCI

[ocean quartz]

Wdym by that? Like you played during the closed beta?

[unkempt cloak]

ye i remember like back in 2022 or sum

i had to buy some founder thing to play the server

i still have the hat '

[ocean quartz]

Oh yeah neat, I think you got an exclusive cosmetic or something like that
So much has changed since then it's hard to keep track of haha

[unkempt cloak]

yeah bro I remember the main reason i tried it out

cuz your server stood out of any

since you guys were the first to utilize resource packs iirc

[ocean quartz]

Origin realms was before us, but yeah I think we did the most custom stuff at the time

[still portal]

I remember waiting for those alpha passes to drop 😭😭

The uis amazed me so much on first join

[unkempt cloak]

A developer is a experienced individual, not a smart individual. Let that sink in.

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-let-it-sink-in-just-let-that-sink-in-for-a-second-sink-in-just-let-it-sink-in-gif-8123437065920778985

[crude cloud]

A developer is:

1. A person or entity engaged in the creation or improvement of certain classes of products.
2. A real estate developer; a person or company who prepares a parcel of land for sale, or creates structures on that land.
3. A film developer; a person who uses chemicals to create photographs from photograph negatives.
4. A liquid used in the chemical processing of traditional photos.
5. (dyeing) A reagent used to produce an ingrain color by its action upon some substance on the fiber.
6. (computing) A software developer; a person or company who creates or modifies computer software.

[unkempt cloak]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194097455684390913/1447417567449841675/image0.gif

[crude cloud]

image0.gif

[glad spear]

lmao

[brazen ether]

based?

i've been dreading things recently and so for fun gonna do basically full new physics engine plugin but it's just written in Nim

it's gonna have realistic portal physics like from this video and hopefully compete with Jolt for performance https://youtu.be/DydIhwLrbMk?si=QW3-Y2hoKDH_j51p

[pastel imp]

Yoo need recommendations for markdown support. I have heard of mdbox, markdown-it, marked and also I sanitize-html or dompurify for security/sanitizing

[unkempt cloak]

An innovator is an experienced individual who doesn't let others opinions take over. Let that sink in.

https://tenor.com/view/let-that-sink-in-let-it-sink-in-just-let-that-sink-in-for-a-second-sink-in-just-let-it-sink-in-gif-8123437065920778985

[wind patio]

used both marked and markdown-it, marked was enough for my use case, quite simple to use, markdown-it is more extensible via plugins or smt like that

[pastel imp]

interesting, ty... will see. mdbox also seems to be decent, it's from unjs

I will see what's best

remark also looks pretty decent

lots of options to choose from lol

[wind patio]

yeah I mean its not THAT difficult to convert md to html lol

[pastel imp]

yeah ig, was looking into tiptap as an editor and they seem to use marked

[halcyon forge]

https://markdowntohtml.com/ is what everyone uses no?

[wind patio]

wdym everyone?

[halcyon forge]

EVERYone

WE

US

[wind patio]

nah I use https://m0dii-dev.xyz/tools/markdown-to-html

[prisma wave]

the humble pandoc

[pastel imp]

actually got smt working

actually just noticed inline code not properly previewing

lol

[pastel imp]

final output

just a prototype anyways, will probs add a bunch of stuff for the actual project like @ mentions and referencing other project pages directly or smt

[vocal trout]

oh

I thought you were testing out print hello world 😭

[desert horizon]

Would still appreciate if someone could test if my Hytale version of the Formatter expansion works, so that I can publish it.

[wind patio]

remember kids, don't download and run random software from the internet

https://tenor.com/view/buh-b-u-h-cat-silly-кот-gif-2242355352608793340

[desert horizon]

I know. Could also make a quick and dirty release on the repo if necessary...
Or you can compile it yourself from the PR branch

Just really need people to test this, as I don't have hytale to do that myself

[wind patio]

Obviously I'm not accusing you of anything, but personally I don't know you, maybe someone stole your account, etc., just a PSA 🥀

[desert horizon]

Yeah, that's fair.
If you wanna be save can you compile from this branch yourself:
https://codeberg.org/Andre601/Formatter-Expansion/src/branch/feature/hytale-support

[oblique star]

so suspicious

[unkempt cloak]

didn't know u made formatter lol

bless up bro its carrying my OCD hard

legit use it for all my placeholders 💀

[desert horizon]

Well, yes... I also made the Math expansion

[unkempt cloak]

thats cold

u made the lightbulb too?

[crude cloud]

nah he made the lightbulb expansion

[wind patio]

how does the expansion work

[ocean quartz]

If it's not led then it uses a tungsten filament, which lights up when heated, it has to be filled with inert gas or the tungsten filament just burns out immediately
You're welcome 🫡

[wind patio]

nice

[remote goblet]

this gotta be a personal attack

LMFAO

[cinder flare]

hey, it could also be CFL! they use electrical currents and gas, plus phosphor to make light! happy to help 🫡

[brazen ether]

CFL? Courant-Friedrichs-Lewy condition? the important applies mathematics rule preventing FTL information transfer in numerical simulations?!

[agile galleon]

Why not implement a simple text comparison algorithm for Barry to send alerts when the bot thinks somebody bumped in #1477468991231365150?

Should be pretty simple and most likely speed up the process of detection

[ocean quartz]

I got some news for you ;p

[agile galleon]

Doesn't seem to work in #1477468991231365150 #1477468991231365150 message #1477468991231365150 message or did simply nobody get to removing it yet?

[ocean quartz]

It does work in offer-services too, but yeah it needs manual removal, sometimes it gets deleted instantly sometimes it stays for a while

[pallid gale]

Yeah different things will happen based on Barry's confidence level

[agile galleon]

That's smart

[wind patio]

kinda dead chat

[pastel imp]

Has anyone used temps here? Coolify alternative. Any thoughts on it? Worth trying?

[agile galleon]

That looks very very cool

[wind patio]

I haven't tried it but I might now that I've heard about it

[agile galleon]

I think having Sentry and analytics baked in is quite cool. It does seem quite vibe coded but if it works it works I guess

[wind patio]

yeah it does hint quite a bit that (at least) the website is vibecoded lol

though knowing that the product itself most likely is too

[prisma wave]

There’s so many of those things now

I’m fairly happy with Dokploy at the moment

[wind patio]

also their blog uses EM dashes quite extensively

who does that anyway

[prisma wave]

it’s the most generic looking website ever

LLMs LOVE shadcn

Most self-hosted PaaS platforms solve deployment but not observability — you'll still need Sentry ($26/mo), Plausible ($9/mo), and FullStory ($99/mo) on top.

What a funny argument when Sentry at least can be self hosted

Dunno about the other two

[wind patio]

real

anyways, Im looking for good Umami alternatives that can be selfhosted, any recommendations?

[agile galleon]

Why not Umami, is there a problem with it?

[wind patio]

too "simple"

Id like something in the middle of posthog and umami lol

[agile galleon]

Sentry is a pain in the arse to selfhost

[pastel imp]

Yeah it indeed does

[pastel imp]

Yeah that's one that I am also looking at

https://github.com/mddanishyusuf/traffic-source

[pastel imp]

Quite random but saw this on twitter

I have no clue if it is better or not than umami

Haven't had the time to look into it yet

[prisma wave]

Hmm I found it fine when I did it for a bit, though it’s quite resource intensive

[abstract osprey]

yeah that's the issue with it imo

I much prefer GlitchTip if you just need the basics

Works really well, compatible with sentry yada yada

[wind patio]

I can agree, nothing too difficult to selfhost

[dapper pawn]

@obtuse star DMs

[eager fern]

plausible can also be self hosted

[prisma wave]

Even better then

[wind patio]

just learned that in IntelliJ IDEA you can just paste straight up code for ex.:

package some.package;

public interface SomeClass {
    void someMethod();
}

onto a package and it will automatically create the class and insert the code

🥀

[prisma wave]

yeah it's really neat

[pastel imp]

I actually have been debating if I should host stuff in bunny magic containers

Feels like everything is hostable in bunny

Which is crazy

[wind patio]

that's a big bunny

[prisma wave]

what kind of stuff

[pastel imp]

Everything, really

Magic containers work with docker

They are basically a docker container but somewhat serverless at the same time

It deploys containers in different regions depending on usage/requests

With auto scaling, and when not in use you dont get billed

That + the other tens of services bunny provides like their cdn

It's a no brainer

And they don't vendor lock you extremely like CF does

Oh and European sovereignty, cause fuck US Cloud Act

[prisma wave]

Sounds expensive

Why not just get a cheap VPS

[pastel imp]

It's actually not expensive at all, all things considered. You can check pricing yourself.

[pastel imp]

Also considering going with dokploy and hetzner yes, but managing my own stuff is a bit mheee, and bunny seems rlly good for everything really

[prisma wave]

I guess it depends how much uptime you need

But it looks expensive to me

[pastel imp]

I plan to use their CDN already anyways

[pastel imp]

How so?

Only if you run stuff 24/7, then most likely

The benefit of it is to have a serverless experience without the downsides of it

But yeah, still looking what options I will go with

[prisma wave]

For 2 cores 16gb ram 50gb storage

[prisma wave]

That’s why I asked what you’re hosting

[wind patio]

lol that's crazy expensive

for an individual that is

[pastel imp]

Assuming 24/7

[prisma wave]

.

[pastel imp]

Oh

Yeah well, webapp essentially

Not a gaming server or anything lol

So frontend and backend

Ig

[prisma wave]

Wouldn’t you want/need high uptime for that

[pastel imp]

But yeah, crazy expensive if used 24/7, crazy cheap if compared with railway 💀

Railway charges 20/month per GB ram

Oh wait no 10/month for ram and 20/month for cpu

[pastel imp]

Why wouldn't this provide that?

[prisma wave]

It will but it’s expensive for high uptime lmao

[pastel imp]

Most of it would be hitting the CDN anyways.

And I won't be using 16gb lol

[prisma wave]

I suppose

[pastel imp]

A Nuxt app is fine with 500mb< lol

[prisma wave]

Personally I would much rather get a cheap VPS and just have 247 uptime without being worried that a traffic spike will charge me a billion dollars

[pastel imp]

They have protections for that xD

You have limiters and even then, to my knowledge they have an internal system that detects spikes and doesn't charge ya for it

And even then, Bunny's team is HELLA nice

But yeah, it's just an option I am considering, I am not a Devops person, I wouldn't be that comfortable taking care of a hetzner dedicated tbh

Oh also, bunny accounts are technically prepaid

You load up credits if I am not mistaken

[prisma wave]

hmm

fair enough i suppose

[pastel imp]

yeah, that's all I am considering. If I wanna have to deal with devops myself (without having any decent knowledge besides a private ptero oracle server) or if I just want it all managed with 100% uptime

[prisma wave]

Tbf with dokploy or whatever it’s quite easy

There’s not much to deal with

[pastel imp]

eh will see

[cold prawn]

unless ur deploying at a large scale/something in general very sophisticated i feel like theres nothing to it

[pastel imp]

I mean yeah sure, just don't want to risk leaving some random port open or whatever, wanna make sure it's secure.

[wind patio]

it's not that difficult to properly take care of a server

crowdsec/fail2ban are your two best friends

I suppose proper ufw too

[cold prawn]

yea just go thru some checklist in 30 min and should be mint

and for web what is there more to expose besides 22/80/443

[wind patio]

oh and no root and password access

that's about it

[wind patio]

it's hard to do with ufw enabled

unless you deliberately opened it

Oracle VPS btw

[cinder flare]

i was gonna say yeah lol

you have to manually add every single port, and can get down to allowed from/to addresses, tcp or udp, etc.

and you just hit em with a sudo ufw status and you can see everything you have open, so it's pretty chill

[wind patio]

yeah

I basically allow just my home IP and thats it lol

[cinder flare]

yeah I setup a WireGuard VPN between the two dedicated servers I have and my PC, so I only allow like SSH and stuff over 10.0.0.0/16

[pastel imp]

Yeah have an oracle VM too though not sure I wanna use it to host a webapp or so, that would imply reconfiguring it etc

Yeah I will see

[cinder flare]

what do you need to reconfigure?

surely you just slap whatever webapp runtime on there, add a reverse proxy, and bam you're done

[frigid badge]

or over engineer it and use talos and run everything using k8s

[cold prawn]

isp changes ip and gg

[wind patio]

well I also run tailscale on it

and worst case you can make changes via oracle console or whatever its called

[cold prawn]

fAIR

[wind patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1177063451479265280/rapidly_declining_mental_function.gif

[cold prawn]

#showcase message
Is the point of this so admins can bulk review mining patterns of players?

Im lowkey suprised noone has yet done machine learning to figure out wether a players mining patterns are "normal", surely it should be pretty straight forward 🙃

[wind patio]

kind of, yeah

sometimes it's quite easy to see/determine if the player is cheating when there are direct lines to valuable blocks

and it's (arguably) easier to do so than looking in-game

[cold prawn]

pretty cool, seems like slight overengineering of the issue, atleast in my eyes

but on a large scale it might be needed, still big cool tho

[wind patio]

honestly it was somewhat a passion "project"

nothing big, but still

planing to do full on in-game "renders" at some point

or, at least, not limited to ~30 block radius of the real world

[cold prawn]

is the 3d preview all urself? i remember there was some fairly "established" npm package for mc 3d visualizations

[wind patio]

no no, I am using threejs for rendering

for project I just meant bringing it all together

[cold prawn]

Well thats still urself id say, pretty epic

[wind patio]

I will have to look how bluemap does it lol

iirc they also use threejs

[cinder flare]

i don't even think you need machine learning tbh, i saw a post a while ago about just normal thresholds of like diamonds/hour and if you cross them, it's basically guaranteed you're xraying, then someone just has to investigate

[cold prawn]

Yea thats always been my approach but its easy to "bypass" by just mining with pauses and such, if u could actually detect a wierd pathing pattern and lets say more than 3 of those occur thats *harder *to bypass than just waiting, but yea the reason is probably that this would realistically be a minimal to no improvement in the admining exp

[cinder flare]

Well I mean if they're pausing to stay below the threshold, then they're not really getting an advantage right? So either way it's a win - either you catch them for getting more than normal, or they just get the normal amount!

[wind patio]

yeah there's probably a sane average where exceeding it legitimately is hardly possible lol

[brazen ether]

somene should record this data

if it turns out to be a bimodal distribution then that would be an effective method

[pastel imp]

For starters, I most likely configured something badly. (FYI oracle cloud dashboard sucks), I'd just prefer to fully refresh the machine

But either way, I'd most likely just go with a hetzner VPS like CAX21 which should be enough for a few webapps, DBs and dokploy

[merry meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kung-fu-ai-orange-cat-fight-gif-8725930490492900021

[crude cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-ragatha-epic-embed-fail-embed-fail-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-gif-16310867354398520221

[cerulean ibex]

anyone here acvtually do significant amount of AI coding

i keep hearing glaze but i'm just not seeing it actually do much

like it can write code that kind of works but the code is just garbage and it constantly makes so many mistakes

to the point where its just faster to write it by hand

am i doing something wrong?

like are they significantly worse at java and kotlin compared to javascript

like why is one of the tests just assertDoesNotThrow(subject.method())

not even testing any behaviour 😭

[half harness]

copilot on vscode is really nice

it like autocompletes stuff even if it's not at your cursor

JB AI can also do it but I think you have to pay :((

but I accidentally activated the free trial so I've been enjoying it for a bit

(still not as good as copilot's though)

[cerulean ibex]

yeah when i used copilot when it came out that was pretty useful its probably improvedf a lot since then too

[cerulean ibex]

only on vscode?

[half harness]

yeah

on intellij you only get regular autocomplete

[cerulean ibex]

i might give that a go tbh

but i wont be able to use intellij

at least ive used it long enough so that the inspections are drilled into my head

[half harness]

🤨

if you mean using java

vscode kinda sucks at that 🥲

[half harness]

wait wdym

[crude cloud]

make sure to add "make no mistakes" to the end of the prompt

not me but gf has been trying to use claude for some or another project and yeah it's not good, to the point that if you really want it to make no mistakes you have to meticulously describe the exact kind of code you want it to write, and at that point… you'd rather just write it yourself, because if you can describe it you are capable of structuring it so llm is practically of no use in that regard

the one thing she does take advantage of is requesting different perspectives to a problem, but any other thing she's tried where you let it primarily take the wheel, it doesn't really work out that well if you know your stuff

[cerulean ibex]

well either i use copilot on vscode or use it on intellij but you say its worse

[cerulean ibex]

yes 😭

[cerulean ibex]

yep

and tell it to act like an expert

[cerulean ibex]

yeah thats how i feel atm

[half harness]

yeah imo it's not worth it to use java on vscode

but if you're doing like web dev or smth

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brazen ether]

the most success i've ever had with it is writing physics engine code where i already knew exactly what the code should be and managed to move very quickly

in other scenarios the best usecase i've had for it is it's just a rubber duck but on steroids

[frigid badge]

with the right tools you can do pretty good stuff, at my job i’ve replaced all manual typing of code with agents. You still need to understand what you are going to build, what architecture works best for your case and how the code that already exists works. You need to review and iterate but it does work incredibly well in my opinion. I can finish things much faster.

without understanding it yourself you can’t use it to be honest, So real vibe coding safely isn’t there yet but controlled prompting with good tooling goes a long way

[prisma wave]

i think it strongly depends on what model you're using and also the prompt to some degree too

the free models are usually a bit shit

[wind patio]

step3.5, gpt5 mini and raptor mini are the only free models that did quite well for me

[cerulean ibex]

how do you deal with the terrible quality of the code it writes? i find i have to write several of follow-ups, even for simple changes, to get code that isn't completely insane

[wind patio]

well you probably shouldn't follow-up for simple changes

[cerulean ibex]

and it just takes so long because either it writes bad code and I spend ages reviewing it or I write a prompt where I pretty much list every single detail and even then it still ends up writing something ridiculous or just ignoring parts of my instructions

[wind patio]

just do them yourself

[cerulean ibex]

thats why im asking this

because it seems that so many people are using agents to write everything but to me it seems like a better and faster idea to just write everything myself

[wind patio]

obviously its just the nature of a parametric probabilistic models over sequences of tokens

[cerulean ibex]

yeah ive found that

[wind patio]

it won't give you exactly what you need

[cerulean ibex]

especially the "open source" ones although i havent tried the latest ones

[wind patio]

yeah well it's something you find out via trial and error

some might exceed in some places where others may lack

I like to think about LLMs in such way, where you ask two students about a book, one has read it, other one has only heard about it.
the first one will give you more correct information, where other might try to guess what is is about.
obviously it also depends on the capabilities of the model like reasoning, being able to generalize from related/similar topics or be trained better overall (going back to the example - has read more books, but not the particular book you're asking about)

[prisma wave]

i mean if it's at work theyre probably happy to fork out for opus 4.6 or whatever

which in my experience is really really good

still not perfect but it manages to actually make a compelling case for ai assisted development

[pastel imp]

As I said a while ago, LLMs eliminate the coders, not the thinkers

If you have the technical knowledge and know exactly how it should work, LLMs can mostly do the job

But very large majority doesn't know shit so yeah

[nocturne apex]

yea xD

[frigid badge]

I only use top of the line models, I first use plan mode and get it to ask me lots of questions before writing a single line of code, then once satisfied with the plan I allow it to implement it. Afterwards we go through it and check for issues. This way the code is pretty good, I also use a lot of hints to good quality code..

yes might need to some changes after the bulk was implemented but planning it out together is always the way to go

But for simple issues I just point it to the issue and tell it to go ham and make a PR and it does it pretty good. That said we have a massive codebase so it can easily check how things should be written generally.

[brazen ether]

https://youtu.be/alK8hgHgxd4?si=ClguJg9z4709Ahic

[brazen ether]

you should also consider putting time and effort into the system prompt for agents, I have my own strict preferences on how code should be written and when it follows that it tends to be better

LLM are fundamentally statistical, and most code is bad code, so custom guidelines can make a big difference

[pastel imp]

I only use LLMs for prototyping, so I don't care about code quality

it works, it works. The whole point is to give me an idea of how it works and how it could look

and I then create a new project/branch, and go system by system either copying and fixing small issues or fully rewriting them in my own way.

[brazen ether]

I am a supporter of doing rewrites readily instead of trying to adapt old architecture and not trying to make everything you write future proof because the future changes

so in that regard writing some code with an LLM then changing it when you are more aware of the problem space is a good pattern

[cerulean ibex]

i’m using gpt 5.4 which from ai hype-ers on twitter seems to be as good or better

[cerulean ibex]

yeah i agree somewhat

[cerulean ibex]

ok maybe I will spend more time on that

kind of a pain since it’s always writing what i would consider “traditional oop” which focused morr on inheritance and generally just uses a lot of bad patterns

[cerulean ibex]

idk it seems for me it still makes mistakes and it’s not really faster than what i think i could do (to get a solution in happy with)

i guess a big benefit is parallelising it

[prisma wave]

this is what the system prompt / AGENTS.md is useful for

[cerulean ibex]

i feel like a lot of issues arent even programming style

like its just doing the dimbest shit

like this

awaitUnbounded is only used here

could this be a model issue?

does claude do better

from my experience openai models are good at doing what theyre RLed to do and nothing else

[pastel imp]

Yes, claude hallucinates a lot

I have heard people code with claude and then ask gpt to fix the issues lmao

[nocturne apex]

Ive never had issues w Codex tbh

I mean am not using it for huge tasks, so this might be the reason?

[steel heart]

fr, not sure why its so hyped :,) codex moggs

[wind patio]

I've been using Sonnet 4.6 for a while, haven't really had any problems with it

Now trying out Codex, cant really notice a big difference tbh

[steel heart]

Idk I just dont feel any of the claude agents are as good as they've been marketed to be if that makes sense?

[wind patio]

obv I'm not using them writing apps from scratch, usually some changes here and there for things that don't really matter, maybe thats why I can't see a lot of differences lol

[nocturne apex]

have u tried codex spark?

[wind patio]

no whats that

[nocturne apex]

a 15 times faster 5.3 model

made for coding

[wind patio]

hmm, no, not sure if I have access to it

[nocturne apex]

ah

u need pro sub

[pastel imp]

I have never used spark tbh

never saw the need

5.3 and 5.4 are already pretty fast

and not as token hungry as claude lol

[pastel imp]

well.... "fast' for what they are doing.

I am personally kinda stuck in 5.3 since I have GH copilot student, and they removed 5.4 access there

but honestly, difference between 5.3 and 5.4 from what I have seen and experienced (I had access to it) is that 5.4 likes to think ahead more. Searches more for edge cases, likes to make informed decisions, but overall code quality is same as 5.3

5.4 was just a QoL upgrade over 5.3

also since when larkyy dark blue

ew

[oblique star]

How dare you say that to my pookie >:(

Rahh!

[pastel imp]

I prefer him as light blue

[oblique star]

Do u prefer me as Flame red? =3

[nocturne apex]

fu

[pastel imp]

eh

[pastel imp]

woa

such hostility

[nocturne apex]

yes

u just became racist

[pastel imp]

just?

I liked baby blue

that all

[nocturne apex]

uve got baby blue melon

that should b enough

[pastel imp]

mheee

fine

[ionic gust]

🤣

google is awesome

[dapper pawn]

@vagrant token dms.

[dapper pawn]

@slow sky DMs.

[ionic gust]

😱

[vocal trout]

Does this guy dm anyone and everyone 😭

[unkempt cloak]

i have a question for plugin dev nerds

would it be possible to make a Block plugin? Create entire custom blocks without a resource pack by just using DisplayEntities + Head format MiniMSG?

[unkempt cloak]

When you place it down its a barrier block with a text display of the head specified in all sides of the barrier block.

has this been thought of before?

[still portal]

it could definitely work

just tad bit laggy with lots of text displays and text displays dont have the same lighting as blocks

[unkempt cloak]

im pre sure you can adjust this

FancyHolograms has an editable brightness config on Holograms

which are all Text Displays

[still portal]

yeah but it still doesnt look like the lighting that blocks have

[wind patio]

yeah it wouldn't look good

though obviously you could have a non-transparent block as a "base", instead of a barrier block and barely offsset the side "textures"

but 6 entities per block is still something to consider lol

[hushed prairie]

why not just use a block Display Entity with the PLAYER_HEAD material and a SkullMeta or whatever it is for blocks?

[unkempt cloak]

idk

[hushed prairie]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/entity/BlockDisplay.html

no need for 6 text displays with the head object component

just have 1 Block Display with the block data you want

[pastel imp]

Already a thing I am pretty sure, but it's not ideal and can cause lag at large quantities

(I am probably late to the party but ye)

And yes block displays are the only thing that makes sense in this

[still portal]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/decoblocks-add-custom-blocks-without-a-resourcepack.112911/

[nocturne apex]

well yeh, but it will be laggy

thats why its not being used

[brazen ether]

they're talking about custom blocks

[hushed prairie]

they were talking about custom head blocks, which in that case don't need text* display entities

[brazen ether]

wdym, how do you do it with neither RP nor block display?

[brazen ether]

sorry didn't read this part, just woke up 😔

Minecraft skull texture isn't 16x16 on each side though , so you'd need 8 display entities with that method

[hushed prairie]

you can just increase the block entity's scale

[brazen ether]

you are still limited to 8x8 texture

so you need 8 for a full block

[hushed prairie]

yeah that's how skins are

[brazen ether]

yeah so it's 8 block displays not 1

[hushed prairie]

why?

[brazen ether]

.

because you'd need 8 of them to create a full block

but either way just use a texture pack and everything becomes much easier, avoiding texture packs is pretty silly if you already plan to have stuff like custom blocks

[hushed prairie]

why not scale the entity 8x?

[brazen ether]

because you still won't be able to display 16x16 texture that way

also it would be 2x not 8x

[hushed prairie]

yeah mb I just woke up from anesthesia lol

[hushed prairie]

but skin heads aren't 16x16

unless you mean you'd want to use multiple skins?

[brazen ether]

yeah but block textures are 16x16 so you'd need multiple 8x8 textures to recreate it

[brazen ether]

you'd need to do that to recreate a block with head displays in this way yeah

[brazen ether]

it's alright 😭

hope your surgery or procedure went well

[hushed prairie]

yeah right, I figured they just wanted to display a head but with full block size

[hushed prairie]

yeah it did, thanks

[pastel imp]

Or just use 8x8 blocks and scale it is his point

If you don't care about resolution

[wind patio]

@pallid gale which model are you using for barry

[quaint isle]

I created a fresh subdomain this afternoon. Literally just a fresh nginx container. Didn't put anything else on it. Didn't share the URL anywhere. How the heck is it already getting request-spammed by bots??

[brazen ether]

My bad

[quaint isle]

could've just slid in my dms and asked for those ssh creds

but does this mean there are really bots out there who repeatedly scan my DNS records and as soon as I add a new subdomain they go rogue?

I mean, I feel honored, but thats kinda crazy ngl

[crude cloud]

you feel honoured for bots scraping the internet?

[oblique heath]

yeah its impressive tbh

i noticed that even sending links to a fresh domain into large discords is enough to get the bots on them

[unkempt cloak]

dead internet theory 🥹

[cinder flare]

they read certificate logs, whenever you get a cert it's public

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/caitvitwt-zaunvi-fork-found-in-kitchen-stantwt-gif-15439188481285105806

[pastel imp]

what dashboard is that from

[quaint isle]

Dozzle. A container that you mount your docker socket into and then it provides simple web interface for browsing logs and viewing resource usage.
I recently started using it and I like it a lot because before I was often troubleshooting by manually scrolling logs in terminal :D

It's pretty lightweight too because it only has realtime stats and doesn't store any persistent data, so it doesnt need a database etc.

[quaint isle]

oh, that more sense than repeatedly crawling DNS records :D

[quaint isle]

They only scrape me because they like what I'm doing and want to be my fren

https://tenor.com/view/pepo-gif-17111337695744892606

[pastel imp]

Interesting, thanks!

[wind patio]

if you're not using Docker you can look into https://nginxui.com/

[agile galleon]

Yeah that just happens, these scrapers do it the millisecond your site is online

[pastel imp]

I heard the CF bot/scraper thingy was pretty good at blocking them

If I recall it even gives it wrong information on purpose

[quaint isle]

They have a bunch of fun features to mess with them too

[pastel imp]

Yeah was speaking about the first one

[wind patio]

yeah got a few in there

lol

[dapper pawn]

erm where did the other services channel go..

[oblique star]

monthly purge

[quaint isle]

Someone on reddit said you can use nginx proxy manager streams to proxy a minecraft server. Is that a lie?
At the very least one would need a field to specify incoming host, or am I stupid?

[wind patio]

well I guess it would count as "port-forwarding" via nginx, but there won't be any magic hostname routing

as in you won't get hostname based multiplexing like normal web proxies

[crude cloud]

atp just use a proper Minecraft proxy i.e. velocity lol

[wind patio]

yeah that's probably smarter

[wind patio]

@half harness seems like IntelliJ has that (or at least similar) too now

just have to enable it, since I think it's off by default

[dapper pawn]

@vestal sinew DMs

[half harness]

Don't you have to pay for it

I accidentally activated the free trial a while ago and it was pretty nice

[half harness]

Haven't checked recently tho

[wind patio]

its a github copilot thing

[half harness]

WAIT WHAT

im double checking this

why would it be disabled by default 😭

you're right...

this is a game changer

thanks

[wind patio]

lol

np

[dapper pawn]

@boreal dirge DMs

[cinder monolith]

i am struggling to get a pet dog to stop targeting an entity. Im using spigot, not paper. Is this something that must utilize nms to achieve? calling setTarget(null) on the tamable doesn't seem to do anything. I'm trying to basically make it to where when the pet is put into sit mode, it will clear any targets, so when it is unsat, it behaves normally.

[brittle leaf]

whats ur code for it so far?

[cinder monolith]

I got it

[brittle leaf]

so you sorted out ur issue?

[cinder monolith]

Yeah that message was 2 days ago

[pastel imp]

my main question is why use spigot instead of paper.

It's 2026 afterall

[cinder monolith]

to have a plugin published on spigot, it has to support spigot, unfortunately

[unkempt cloak]

modrinth, hangar, bbb, voxel.shop, mcmodels, you have a lot of other options

i gave up on spigot

[pastel imp]

1. As said above
2. Spigot is only enforced for paid plugins.

[nocturne apex]

#2 no

devs already reported their free plugins got removed from spigot, bcs they didnt support spigot

but someone always need to report it

[pastel imp]

weird, pretty sure md_5 said he didnt care about it in free plugins but ig

[rotund raven]

Why would it make any sense to post something on Spigot that you can't use with Spigot

[pastel imp]

well, extreme large majority of servers are on paper anyways

if I am not mistaken, on 1.20+, it's over 95%

[rotund raven]

So post it on Hanger or whatever

There is still a bukkit plugin page, people still update their plugins there, but they need to support bukkit

[pastel imp]

yeah yeah

whatever

no reason to use spigot

(both software and marketplace)

[rotund raven]

I see people complain about their redstone contraptions and things not working on Paper due to their optimizations. Spigot keeps the vanilla logic.

Just personal preference, I still use Spigot, but I have nothing against Paper

[pastel imp]

those are stupid people lmao

it's 99% of the time an user error.

Hell, paper even has configs to enable certain dupes again

[rotund raven]

Yeah, I don't know who would want dupes possible again, but who knows.

[crude cloud]

i mean, paper only gives the option to reenable dupes that mojang hasn't patched yet, but paper does

[pastel imp]

well, people that used tnt dupes or sand dupes sometimes wants them back

[crude cloud]

but if and when Mojang does fix that, the option is gone

[rotund raven]

Gotcha

[pastel imp]

there is this one youtuber that did a video on how bad paper is and whatever

2/3 of what he said is legit user error

lmao

[crude cloud]

and afaik the amount of redstone mechanisms that don't work are a very select few that are few and far between, they exist but most common farms and contraptions work as normal
besides the fact you can change the redstone impl used too to weigh these pros and cons

[rotund raven]

I still think Bukkit is the GOAT, I would still use it if buildtools packaged it like it used to. Don't need all these snazzy new features like item stacking and async chunk loading.

[pastel imp]

well

if you are just using it for an SMP between friends

sure

at that point might aswell use fabric though

[crude cloud]

uh

a) async chunk loading is a thing in vanilla minecraft (and you definitely do want this)
b) spigot has no api for it anyway?

c) bukkit is dead, like, 13 years dead

"item stacking"?

[cold prawn]

has much happened with paper, since they said that they wont be backwards compatabile with spigot anymore

[crude cloud]

regarding what

i mean the hardfork happened, spigot kept doing its api and paper kept doing theirs without pulling spigot changes any longer, so as time goes on the APIs are increasingly different effectively being different platforms, tooling and development speed for new versions has improved drastically as well given that now they can start during snapshots/pre-releases instead of waiting for spigot to release, etc

[cold prawn]

makes sense, from that announcement a while ago kinda expected them to do more drastic changes to the api/server itself

[crude cloud]

i mean, the api has changed, and the server most definitely has too

but idk what you were expecting, it's not like they were going to delete all of the existing stuff lol

[potent nest]

Wouldn’t that be fun

[distant sun]

Dont delete, just rename every package :))

[dapper pawn]

@manic girder DMs

[dapper pawn]

@green kindle check dms.

[crude cloud]

@potent nest check DMs

[potent nest]

checked

[crude cloud]

great

[wind patio]

#showcase message

is it just me or is it a bad example?

you'd never keep calling Bukkit.getServicesManager().load(LuckPerms.class); , Bukkit.getServicesManager().getRegistration(Economy.class); in your actual code and should be passed via DI 🥀

[brazen ether]

even in the DI case you'd still be managing it yourself, which is what he solves

[wind patio]

eh, I mean, sure, but is it really that difficult to "manage"?

I'm not saying it's a bad project, but, few issues I see is:

• you lose direct access to the real API (unless he exposes it, didn't check)
• your whole codebase becomes a dependent on this wrapper - single point of failure
• debugging can become harder because of the adapters
• you won't be able to manage dependency versions independently (if Anchor updates LuckPerms, Vault, etc. - you will have to do so too)
  and that's just to name a few

all-in-all a "mega compatibility framework" is somewhat an antipattern

[crude cloud]

i think what i find most opinionated of all is how your plugin now behaves when the other plugin dependency (luckperms, placeholderapi, etc) is not present

you just give up control to the library, you still access those API APIs and they have to return something,

[wind patio]

yeah I mean, you basically give up control over dependency semantics
for a simple thing like

if (luckPerms != null) {
    // permission check?
}

you have:

Anchor.api().permissions().has(player, "x")

and if LuckPerms is missing, now you have to decide:

• does it always return false?
• throw?
• use Bukkit permissions fallback?
• cache stale values?
• log warnings?
• fail silently?
  (obviously the Bukkit fallback would probably make most sense here but that's not the point)

I agree with @brazen ether that it's trying to solve a real issue, because the whole plugin dependency ecosystem can get quite messy at times, especially at bigger codebases, but the scope is too big imo

I suppose it's good for someone who is mostly new in Minecraft plugin development, but personally I don't see using it myself

[crude cloud]

yeah

[prisma wave]

the thing is i feel like it's not that hard to setup your own facade interface to it

that's what i usually do and then i can come up with default behaviour that makes sense for the context

[wind patio]

makes sense, I have a similar approach too

[crude cloud]

yeah these things tend to meet requirements that solve very project specific needs

[unkempt cloak]

Is it possible to use PlaceholderAPI on a website? -- prob sounds like a dumb question but I want to make a player-lookup site for my Minecraft server,

example; would it be possible to display placeholderAPI values of a specific player on a website?

[unkempt cloak]

feel free to @ me on replies :]

[wind patio]

REST Api

[unkempt cloak]

this? - https://restfulapi.net/

[wind patio]

well nothing to do with that specific website but yes

[unkempt cloak]

okok ty

[wind patio]

https://javalin.io/tutorials/javalin-and-minecraft-servers

[unkempt cloak]

question tho, would it need an additional plugin in-game?

or just placeholderapi

[wind patio]

additional plugin

your frontend calls the backend (which is some sort http server running in your plugin on your server), you pass the parameters such as name and placeholder, you take those params, get the player, parse the placeholder and then just return it back to the frontend

optionally you could just pass the player name and return several pre-defined placeholders, but thats up to you and how you wanna do it

[cinder flare]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/rest-placeholderapi.90266/ worked pretty nicely the last time I used it, might be a little out of date but you could easily update it, it's open source!

[wind patio]

oh yeah that exists too

i'm more of a make it myself person

[cinder flare]

i mean in this case, this is literally exactly what i would do lol

simple rest api, token secret, parse the placeholder

[wind patio]

yup

[unkempt cloak]

this works great, thanks.

using restpapi rn but on the git it says tokens r in config but the plugin didnt generate any config?

where would I config the tokens?

nvm I'd prob be better off using a custom plugin

[cinder flare]

idk bro go look at the source code

it's like 3 files

[unkempt cloak]

yeye i saw js now

[wind patio]

https://github.com/thesysdev/openui/pull/517

[tribal plinth]

someone's getting fired on Monday

[onyx loom]

LGTM 👍

[wind patio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTkEM7b0IQw

[dapper pawn]

@pulsar siren DMs

[crude cloud]

@potent nest check dms

[potent nest]

🫪

[dapper pawn]

@sterile jewel DMs

[potent nest]

@crude cloud check your DMs please

[crude cloud]

done!

[pallid gale]

First, this channel is a trial to determine if it would be useful or not. I place to generally discuss develop topics that might no fit under the umbrella of "support"

[topaz bay]

Kotlin is better than Java

Change my mind.

[pallid gale]

#rules still apply

lol

[foggy pond]

WAHSF

[prisma wave]

HELLO

[foggy pond]

WHOA

[prisma wave]

KOTLIN GOOD JAVA BAD INTELLIJ GOOD ECLIPSE BAD

LAUGH NOW

[steel heart]

USE int#toString

[topaz bay]

That is the universal truth

[remote goblet]

PERIOD

[steel heart]

USE int#toString
@steel heart

[remote goblet]

https://gist.github.com/Oribuin/ed01605731ab8cff0891603c642b9712

:)

[prisma wave]

get it out

[remote goblet]

lmao

[prisma wave]

well this is a party

[topaz bay]

leave.

now.

[remote goblet]

There is one good thing about that class tho

[topaz bay]

@pallid gale the channel lacks file send

[remote goblet]

the comments at the very end :o

[pallid gale]

ah 1 sec

[remote goblet]

Add file send for everyone :O

[pallid gale]

need to limit it to T2+

[remote goblet]

:(

[prisma wave]

See that's why you help the poor souls

Blue name AND file sending

[steel heart]

I am T2 aye let’s go

[remote goblet]

pretty cool honestly

[prisma wave]

Yep

[topaz bay]

why tf am I t3

I deserve 900

[remote goblet]

https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/339674158596358145/695432845610451025 im close tho

[steel heart]

=reset @remote goblet

[prisma wave]

Nice

[steel heart]

Oh

[prisma wave]

Imagine not being t4

[remote goblet]

sadpepe

Brister

get a life

get a better hobby

find a job

[prisma wave]

Never

[remote goblet]

find something to do

[prisma wave]

That's effort

[remote goblet]

mood

[topaz bay]

@prisma wave stop using my shit kid

[prisma wave]

I actually quite enjoy telling people that they haven't intialized a variable over and over again

What

[topaz bay]

Only I can use "Imagine {insert random thing}"

[pallid gale]

@topaz bay working?

[remote goblet]

I keep telling myself to get a job

[steel heart]

#brister-secretlyloves-java-overkotlin

Hmmm

[prisma wave]

u wot

[topaz bay]

@pallid gale Yes father

thank you

[prisma wave]

false

[remote goblet]

Brister secretly dont

[prisma wave]

fake news

[foggy pond]

This place is beautiful

[prisma wave]

It is

[foggy pond]

God I can't believe my eyes

[prisma wave]

I propose we setup a hierarchical society here

[remote goblet]

https://discordapp.com/channels/164280494874165248/164523548390457355/695433385820028928

[prisma wave]

with kotlin users at the top

[topaz bay]

FACTS

[remote goblet]

its not island.java dont worry

[topaz bay]

Kotlin and IntelliJ users at the top

[foggy pond]

Skript developers at the top*

[topaz bay]

then kotlin + eclipse

then java + ij

then java + eclipse

[foggy pond]

Kotlin + eclipse bruh wht

[remote goblet]

Skript developers? are they even developers

[prisma wave]

Not sure about that one

[steel heart]

So now update the #development people understand it’s for hm support like tell them to always send in a good bin with full stacktrace etc and just not “I have a problem with my code” @pallid gale 🤗

[foggy pond]

Eclipse is shIT

[prisma wave]

I'd say intellij is more important than using kotlin

[topaz bay]

@foggy pond hey

go send the damn code

[steel heart]

Eclipse is good wtf

The light theme

[topaz bay]

@steel heart wrong

[steel heart]

Just gives it the touch

[topaz bay]

https://tenor.com/view/trump-gif-9806204

[prisma wave]

We're gonna have a problem

[remote goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-huh-scared-confused-help-me-gif-14154016

[prisma wave]

we need a corrupt mod

To ban eclipse users

[remote goblet]

I need external emojis >:(

[topaz bay]

I will gladly fill this role Alex

I will do nothing but ban users who dont use IJ

[prisma wave]

Good good

Step 1) make you mod

step 2) ???

[remote goblet]

how about javascript kekW

[pallid gale]

Barry is javascript 😄

dont bully him

[prisma wave]

oh no

[topaz bay]

ew

[remote goblet]

I figured

[topaz bay]

EW

[remote goblet]

the canvas is pretty obvious

[pale shell]

Javascript is better than kotlin

[steel heart]

People who code in IntelliJ
People who code in Eclipse
People who code in Notepad: @topaz bay

[prisma wave]

CORRUPT MOD

BAN HIM

[pallid gale]

caps pls

[remote goblet]

Discord.js sucks because of its lack of an actual command handler

[foggy pond]

I code Skript in notepad++

[pale shell]

WHAT ARE CAPS

[pallid gale]

😮

[steel heart]

It’s good

[remote goblet]

and Visual Studio Code is a lil bitch

[pale shell]

[prisma wave]

Vscode is alright

It's just

[remote goblet]

I'm too broke for IntelliJ ultimate kekW

[steel heart]

JS - MultiThreading

[prisma wave]

weak typing...

[pallid gale]

Its alright i use vsc

😉

[remote goblet]

I hate the lack of tab complete

[topaz bay]

Im ok with this

As long as its not eclipse

[pale shell]

No ide arguments ;)

[remote goblet]

If i didnt have tab complete

I would die

[pale shell]

I use eclipse @topaz bay

[prisma wave]

Ide arguments are allowed here?

[remote goblet]

IDE Arguments are okay here ;)

[steel heart]

Yes

[prisma wave]

excellent

[topaz bay]

@pale shell I can tell

[remote goblet]

=ban @pallid gale JavaScript

[prisma wave]

Eclipse sucks change my mind