dev-general

[ionic gust]

makes it harder tho

[prisma wave]

and figure out the endpoint

[distant sun]

If you dont do the checks yourself, this is bound to happen.

[prisma wave]

it turns it from a matter of like 30 minutes to a few hours

to figure out

[distant sun]

It takes one motivated person

Then they can distribute the code

[prisma wave]

why is it so important this data is accurate?

[distant sun]

I feel like the more you try to make it harder, the more someone would want to crack it

Assuming your shit is actually worth the time, no offence!

[ionic gust]

so we can accurately kick out inactive partners (or low-performing ones)

which none of them like, so they have high motivation to spoof

[ionic gust]

and also so we can maybe somehow detect when an event ends

[prisma wave]

hmm i see

[ionic gust]

wait this isnt #development 😭

how did i just realize

[prisma wave]

close enough

[remote goblet]

same channel

[distant sun]

God

[ionic gust]

still struggling btw

actually i think we sorta decided on this

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prisma wave]

seems sensible

what does this have to do with the player count spoofing

[ionic gust]

that was just an example, if we want to get any data in the future from the server, they could spoof it

[remote goblet]

maybe this is an insane question but

why would someone spoof it

[ionic gust]

in the example; to seem like their server is active when it rly isnt

and if we removed partners with inactive servers, theyd bypass it

[prisma wave]

what motivation would they have to do that

what do they get out of saying it's active when it's not

[ionic gust]

they stay as a partner

[prisma wave]

i see

im gonna be honest the most reliable way would probably just be manual checking

or a combination of the two

theres nothing stopping me as a server owner from installing a player spoofer

and pretending there are 100 players online

a human might be able to notice that they're not real but no plugin ever could

presumably there arent many partners, right?

it's a fairly exclusive thing?

[ionic gust]

we have 41 partners rn, its not super exclusive

[remote goblet]

why do you have so many...

[prisma wave]

alright

[prisma wave]

still though, i feel like it's fairly obvious when something is/isn't active, right?

[ionic gust]

and then they also have to ping @everyone in their server with our ad

[prisma wave]

just look at their discord or whatever

[prisma wave]

so what do they get out of it, just advertising?

[prisma wave]

right

yeah i mean, i guess the most sensible thing would be

have the plugin send automated reports

but also do manual checks every so often

so if they do manage to spoof it somehow they cant get away with it for long

[prisma wave]

you could ask them to send you proof of player counts or something

and then you just review those

any big server will have some analytics software like Plan installed, right

[ionic gust]

yeah we already have a renewal thing every month that removes partners that havent hosted at least 1 event in past month
but that was just an example, we may use data for other stuff, i think another idea was to display event stats at the end of an event for the host to see, or maybe make it like a leaderboard sort of thing with "most concurrent players" 🤷‍♂️

[prisma wave]

okay

well, stats for the host doesn't really matter

theres zero incentive for the host to lie to themselves

[ionic gust]

would jsut be annoying for us if we wanna look thru some stats

[prisma wave]

the leaderboard maybe could be an issue? but i think it'd become pretty obvious if someone was lying

[remote goblet]

can i go off topic very quickly and ask for brister mitten code review

[prisma wave]

as a treat

(im very washed)

[prisma wave]

yeah but it's also not very consequential right

[remote goblet]

i gotta do a gui framework but ive been fighting with myself on how i want it to work https://github.com/Oribuin/Fishing

[ionic gust]

we also were thinking of like a spotify wrapped sorta thing
had to do it manually for 2024:

[prisma wave]

youre making a gui framework?

[remote goblet]

unfortunately

[ionic gust]

https://triumphteam.dev/docs/triumph-gui/introduction

[remote goblet]

yes i know im not gonna use that lmfao

[prisma wave]

yeah it's a cool idea, like I said i think any big discrepancies would be pretty obvious though

[prisma wave]

any reason why?

[remote goblet]

i feel like for the plugin scope where its supposed to be api centered, it makes more sense to have the plugin handle it

[prisma wave]

uh

[ionic gust]

id hope so, altho some ppl r very good at lying
ultimately its not a huge concern, but just something i wanted to prevent if possible
since clearly not easily preventable, i will just have to deal with it 🤷‍♂️

[remote goblet]

perhaps not neccessary

[prisma wave]

yeah theres not a lot you can do really sadly, go with the automated approach but try and fact-check it where possible

[prisma wave]

it seems slightly unnecessary

but maybe im misunderstanding

[remote goblet]

i think i just want many aspects to be in the plugin's control

[prisma wave]

i mean you can still do that

triumph is fairly "thin"

it doesnt really enforce anything

ive written wrappers around it before

[remote goblet]

probably could but :(

i actually just cant think of how i want it to actually be written

[prisma wave]

a fully fledged gui framework is a lot of time and annoying

[prisma wave]

what is the ultimate goal here

[remote goblet]

remake pyrofishing but not shit LMFAO

[prisma wave]

okay i mean i know nothing about that plugin haha

i mean for the guis

[remote goblet]

i think the way guis are written are just so ugly so i was trying to find a way to approach it that isnt.. ugly

but yeah it might be unnecessary

[prisma wave]

i agree that theyre ugly

but it's more of a java problem than a library problem

[remote goblet]

i quit working on any plugin the immediete second a gui is involved

[prisma wave]

so real

[remote goblet]

my hatred for them cannot be described

[prisma wave]

one day i will make elm-architecture gui framework which will still be ugly but in a more bearable way

[onyx loom]

I disagree

I dont think u will

[prisma wave]

you're probably right

[remote goblet]

that plugin was so fun to work on until it needed guis and i barely touched it since

[prisma wave]

many such cases

[ocean quartz]

https://triumphteam.dev/docs/4.x.x/triumph-gui/introduction

[ionic gust]

yes sorry right

@prisma wave i released the plugin and this is the first thing someone says about it:

it seems you figured out how to obfuscate the jar
its not even obfuscated tho 😭

[prisma wave]

lmao

thats the best obfuscation

just lie

nobodys gonna notice

[ionic gust]

💀

[ocean quartz]

Use Kotlin on the plugin, most decompilers will cry

[cinder flare]

sounds like basic web auth 101 lol, any client is all the same, a web frontend has the same level of trust as a random minecraft server - ZERO

just issue tokens or whatever per client so you can track requests and get rid of people if they don't follow the rules or whatever, then nobody unauthorized can use your private API and whatever

obsfuscating your jar isn't going to help at all, when it comes to http there are like a million ways to track requests and like proxy them to modify them and shit, it's super simple

[distant sun]

Does anybody know if there is a library for web icons that contains vegetables and other cooking ingredients?

https://www.reshot.com/ this looks promising

[desert horizon]

I suggest looking at https://iconify.design

Should be easy to find a good icon set through that

[distant sun]

Thanks

[pastel imp]

first time doing smt like this with js, I still hate javascript

ngl I so much rather do it in java but yk.. not possible

[ocean quartz]

Wdym is not possible?

As a website sure but as an app that is definitely possible

[pastel imp]

well it is a website xD

I know it's possible as an app

[brazen ether]

web dev in haskell

[ocean quartz]

Can do it in Kotlin :)

[pastel imp]

my dream, as weird as it sounds, would be to have smt like javafx or whatever other framework that works in java/kotlin for web frontend stuff

xd

[pastel imp]

web?

[brazen ether]

kotlin js compiler

goes crazy

[pastel imp]

that exists? tf?

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[pastel imp]

what does kotlin NOT have

lol

[brazen ether]

https://kotlinlang.org/docs/js-overview.html

[ocean quartz]

Kotlin is not just a jvm language

[brazen ether]

curring

):

[ocean quartz]

Ios, android, jvm, js, wasm

[pastel imp]

wonder if I can use the Kotlin/JS compiler with svelte's compiler

doubt it works

[ocean quartz]

Prolly not

[pastel imp]

welp, then we back to step 0 xD

[ocean quartz]

Too much going on, there's an attempt to get react working but it fails a lot

[pastel imp]

unless kotlin somehow also has a frontend framework xD

[oblique heath]

surely it does if it bothers to support compiling to js

[ocean quartz]

Compose, but only with wasm

[ocean quartz]

Kinda, frameworks like svelte or react do a lot more than just be js, it requires a lot of work to get it working with Kotlin

But hey if you really need js at least use ts instead

[pastel imp]

I love svelte, but I hate js so, xD

[oblique heath]

svelte goes hard

[pastel imp]

guess I gotta figure out a way to live with js

xd

[pastel imp]

yes, when you are not doing js intensive things

[pastel imp]

(like this)

[ocean quartz]

Then use ts instead

[pastel imp]

well

I am

xd

I still hate it

tbf I never got too much into js (or ts) since I never required extreme knowledge on it

until now

[prisma wave]

YES

YEEEEEESSSSSS

[prisma wave]

SO TRUE

[brazen ether]

hehe

[prisma wave]

you can actually kind of do this

well not literally with haskell

but PureScript (and Elm too kinda) is so similar it's close enough

[old wyvern]

Elm ftw

[frigid badge]

rust ftw

[crude cloud]

[prisma wave]

i thought this server was safe from the rust mob

[frigid badge]

wow

[desert horizon]

At least it's not brain****

[distant sun]

People with full time jobs, how the fuck do you find time and will, to learn anything programming related, after spending 8h in front of the computer on a chair?

I barely find motivation to go to gym after work, opening my personal laptop would require some magic

[ocean quartz]

Always nice to work on something new, specially something different from your job
That's why I keep starting new things, finishing in other hand ...

[distant sun]

Like, I need to learn some web stuff (html, css, ts, layouts, whatever) and angular for work (don't start with "learn react, learn x" etc.), things that will help me at work but also for some personal projects, but I can't find motivation. After work I don't really feel like spending some more hours in front of the computer, and during weekend I usually do the things I can't do during the week

[ocean quartz]

Ah yeah that case is more complicated, for me motivators are challenges, for example when I started on backend stuff I had 0 experience with spring and very little motivation to learn it, but then I was given a pretty big challenge optimizations and that made me motivated to research and learn more

[distant sun]

I would love to work on personal projects that involve websites, but for the love of god, I can't learn html, and that demotivates me.

Like, I have a small layout on my mind but I can't figure out all the properties and stuff and I quit

[ocean quartz]

Tbh not much to learn for html, there is only like 6 tags you'll actually use for 99% of things :')
The js and css side is where it's a bit more compicated

[distant sun]

Yeah by html I also mean css

[ocean quartz]

Can you use tailwind at work?

[distant sun]

We use bootstrap; it is a quite old, inherited project

For my own projects id probably use tailwind or smth else

[ocean quartz]

I see, that's a little more annoying, but css isn't too bad, I find it's easier when you search for videos of people building certain things with css and then see how some properties they change affect the overall structure on the page

[distant sun]

Oh yeah, and when I do it everything goes everywhere 🤣

[onyx loom]

this is so true

I'll have motivation to start smth, then by next week I cba again

[wind patio]

mostly this

and sometimes by learning something new also helps in your current field as well, which in return might even make your job easier

and, well, I try to be more versatile in case I decide to switch to a different job which has an entirely different stack

[oblique heath]

what has been motivating me recently is seeing that people are actually interested in what i am making outside of work

like my ad campaign which i have been spending about $10 a day is getting 1+ people a day just signing up for emails (thats all i let them do right now), which feels really good

working on a project without constant external validation is the true killer

[wind patio]

I do enjoy having no deadlines and not having to fix missing whitespaces during code review

[cinder flare]

That's why I can only force myself to work on shit for like the Minecraft server I work on, I know that the effort will actually be worth it yk, not just for nothing

[wind patio]

well, if you're learning something new, isn't it not for nothing?

[cinder flare]

well i suppose, but like, if i had an external reason to do it i would be 1000x more likely to do it yk

[wind patio]

makes sense

[desert horizon]

Would still apreciate some feedback on my changes and if there are things I could improve.
https://codeberg.org/Andre601/AdvancedServerList/pulls/400

[frigid badge]

yeah you don't lol

you rarely have the time or motivation to do something

when you see something really fancy you do work on it but never end up finishing it

[distant sun]

Thats not good @frigid badge smh

[distant sun]

@frigid badge

[frigid badge]

yup

[desert horizon]

Mood

[desert horizon]

IntelliJ is acting rather weird for me....

2 times in a row did some dependencies break, namely the import not being recognized or some methods...

And both times did I had to clear cache to fix this... Not sure what is going on there.

[old wyvern]

Updated to latest? Check your plugins for the respective languages

Happens sometimes when you have incompatible plugin version and ide version

Happens a lot with kotlin

[brazen ether]

lua is interesting

[prisma wave]

This is just higher order functions isn’t it?

Like it’s cool but it’s not anything particularly fancy

You can do this in Java even

[brazen ether]

yea, sort of

that's the application here

[prisma wave]

record Thing(Consumer<Integer> execute){}

var thing = new Thing(i -> sout(“index: “ + i));

Looks pretty similar to me

[brazen ether]

i'm not saying it's a special feature bro 😭

[brazen ether]

well no

this isn't the same

tables aren't the same as record classes at all

a lot of configuration stuff uses lua so i've been playing around with it just a tad bit

[oblique heath]

redis lua transactions my beloved

[prisma wave]

Perhaps not in general but it looks like they’re semantically similar in this case?

[prisma wave]

ngl I thought you were my bad haha

[brazen ether]

not even close 😭

thing is just an object

it has no constructor

[prisma wave]

Yeah I know

Like JavaScript or whatever right

But it’s a rough equivalent in that it’ll produce the same functionality

[brazen ether]

yea, Lua's only non primitive data structure is a table

[brazen ether]

well if you have literally no other code

basically just repeatLambda takes in a table which should have a named field execute which should be defined as a function and should take in an integrr

I didn't put the annotations here

but like you can't rlly think of thing as a class

it's literally just an array/object

[brazen ether]

u good, I promise you I am indeed aware of interfaces and higher order functions 😂

[prisma wave]

Yeah perhaps like typescript would’ve been a better comparison

[prisma wave]

Yeah it makes sense I understand what’s happening I think the java comparison just caused a lot of confusion

I know they’re not the same

[cinder flare]

classic Java

helped a friend do some like LeetCode-style exercies in Java, oh god it's rough man

I used Kotlin and had that shit in like 5 lines and he had to do a million other things, it was crazy

val first = string.getOrNull(index) ?: ""

vs

String first = "";
try {
  first = String.valueOf(string.charAt(index));
} catch (IndexOutOfBoundsException _) {}

plus just all the Kotlin sequence functions are awesome, like windowed, joinToString, etc.

[potent nest]

Was it forbidden to use if or what 😭

[cinder flare]

idk that's just what he wrote lol

i guess you could do bounds checking manually yeah

[brazen ether]

holy shit

_

i always just see it named "ignored"

[cinder flare]

oh yeah it might've been ignored

underscore is just a lot nicer and used for stuff in like every other lang lol

[potent nest]

underscore only works since Java 22

[brazen ether]

ahh

[potent nest]

it's part of https://openjdk.org/jeps/456

[desert horizon]

And funny enough IntelliJ will not complain about empty catch block if you name it that.

[desert horizon]

According to JEP 456 you linked was it actually in Java 21

Tho probs as experimental?

[potent nest]

yeah it was a preview feature in Java 21

[desert horizon]

There is one thing I wonder right now, which is if someone ever made a GitHub Action that would analyze linked logs (i.e. via hastebin or mclo.gs) to then return some info....
Wouldn't be surprised if it would have great use within MC projects on GitHub.

[prisma wave]

Why does that need to be a GitHub action?

And what kind of info would it return

[wintry plinth]

Also intrigued to know what type of data would you want pulled out @desert horizon

[desert horizon]

Because it would be for github issues?

And data would be server type + version, lists of plugins used and like notable errors/problems (exceptions and alike)

[wintry plinth]

Ahh you mean you submit an issue, and it creates a comment showing relevant extracted information from it?

[ocean quartz]

I was pretty confused at first too since you didn't mention github issues, when I think of github actions first thing I think is like commit actions instead

Should be pretty easy to do an action for that though

[desert horizon]

I don't have knowledge on this sadly

[prisma wave]

just make a normal script and then integrate it into an action

the github part is the easy bit

[pastel imp]

Random question, but any ideas on how you'd do something like modrinth's ad sharing system?

[desert horizon]

ad sharing in what way? Like their 75-25 split of ad revenue?

[pastel imp]

Yes

[desert horizon]

Pretty sure you could ask them or go through their website code.

[distant sun]

Sounds pretty straightforward, you get the revenue generated by a resource's page and just deposit x% on author's account every month.

[pastel imp]

thing is, modrinth does it in real time

[pastel imp]

funnily enough, can't find much in their backend

ah "payouts"

oh god time to see if I understand it

seems like they fetch so called "aditude points" for a specific page from the ad network api and then use that

but I assume not all ad networks work like that

[cerulean ibex]

not saying i like kotlin, but i made a k2 compiler plugin (note the fill parameter can accept a regular boolean)

[cinder flare]

is this like React in Kotlin?

seems pretty nice actually

does it use like the Kotlin-JS compiler? or like WASM or something lol

[pastel imp]

That is actually nice, I'd maybe use it if I didn't use Svelte

[cerulean ibex]

kinda

well more like solidjs technically ig

[cerulean ibex]

kotlin js

[cerulean ibex]

ty

its also rly nice having easy ide support since intellij pretty much just supports compiler plugins now

[cinder flare]

shit, i'd love something like that, surprised it doesn't already exist

Compose Multiplatform just ain't it lol

[pastel imp]

Yeah it def. Is a very nice thing

[potent nest]

Pretty sure you could do the same thing in Scala without compiler plugin

[ocean quartz]

Compose is pretty good, I'd take it over any JS framework if I could
But unfortunately not available for JS, only WASM and WASM has 2 issues, bundle size is bigger and garbage collector isn't enabled by default on any browser yet 😔

[cerulean ibex]

theres a few kinda similar things but i found their apis all had issues

[cerulean ibex]

wasm gc is on in chrome by default no?

[cinder flare]

yeah WASM is just not great right now

[ocean quartz]

Wasn't last time I checked, you needed to toggle on a flag

[cerulean ibex]

and compose multiplatform supports js although it draws to the canvas

[ocean quartz]

Oh damn seems like it is on chrome now by default yeah

[cinder flare]

yeah i want my real DOM elements yk

https://github.com/rjaros/kilua

this looks pretty sweet though actually

although i worry if it needs Node to SSR?

surely I could just Kotlin SSR that bitch or something

[ocean quartz]

You can do Kotlin SSR already with htmx and ktor :)

[cinder flare]

well yeah but HTMX ain't Kotlin yk

[ocean quartz]

Well not htmx directly but the way you use it is

[cinder flare]

well yeah but i want like JS state and shit yk

idk I just really like Vue guys lol

[cerulean ibex]

yeah theres few ones like that that i looked at but i didnt like how ackward it was to define components

[pastel imp]

I'll personally donate 2k to whoever does a svelte like framework but for kotlin

[ocean quartz]

2k :')))

[cinder flare]

yeah wow lol

that's like 1 week of work for an average salary dev

[pastel imp]

I said donation

Xd

[cinder flare]

ah, so not even guaranteed payment lmao

[pastel imp]

Lmao

Fair point

Sorry if I am broke

[cerulean ibex]

im not rly a web dev but what do ppl like so much abt svelte

[pastel imp]

Although 2k donation is more than most OS projects get in a single donation

[pastel imp]

Easier to answer what I don't like, aka it being in js

But jokes aside, nowadays with runes, it is seen as a "React but better"

(Like better by far imo)

Svelte's ecosystem is also growing quite fast honestly

And you have alternatives to most big libs

Shadcn for ex. Has a community led port to svelte

There is a reason it is being adopted by several big companies including even apple

The whole apple music and podcasts (and a few other things) are all using svelte

[cerulean ibex]

that didnt rly answer what ppl like abt it 😭

[wind patio]

using kotlin for web dev is like using a fork while eating soup

[ocean quartz]

How so?

[wind patio]

personal opinion

but to name a couple reasons (also subjective):

• probably a very small community/eco-system (not industry standard)
• there are way better options that are intended/made for web dev (ex. nodejs, django/flask, ruby on rails, laravel, etc.)
• much less libraries and what not
• harder for beginners
• jvm overhead

if you need a hello world app - sure, use kotlin, but there are a lot more mature alternatives, JS/TS is still probably the best
I'd also assume it would be pretty hard to find a team of people that would use kotlin for web-dev, unless you're working alone

[potent nest]

You won’t have JVM overhead when it‘s transpiled to js

(but you‘ll have js vm overhead, lol)

[ocean quartz]

probably a very small community/eco-system (not industry standard)
True, doesn't mean it makes it like a fork for eating soup, more like a very specific spoon that hadly anyone uses
there are way better options that are intended/made for web dev (ex. nodejs, django/flask, ruby on rails, laravel, etc.)
What makes them better if you haven't used the one you're talking about?
much less libraries and what not
Any JS library works
harder for beginners
Sure?
jvm overhead
It's not JVM

As for your last points, no one is arguing that JS/TS isn't better for this, it's an alternative just like Scala JS would be
And ofc you won't find a team, but hey do you think people would find a team for a react project when it first started? Things have to start somewhere

[wind patio]

What makes them better if you haven't used the one you're talking about?
Better in terms of more industry adoption,
stronger ecosystems: more libraries, tools, and frameworks built specifically for web dev and most likely better development experience such as easier debugging, faster iterations, and better tooling.
If it's for a personal project, sure, but I don't see where I am going to use it in real world.

[ocean quartz]

Even agreeing with all that you said your comparison is still dumb

[wind patio]

The way I see it is - if you're going to run into a problem - good luck finding a solution.

[wind patio]

How?

[ocean quartz]

Because it's perfectly functional as any js application would be?

[wind patio]

maybe

[ocean quartz]

How is it a maybe? It literally outputs a js file for you to use lol

[cinder flare]

i assume you mean frontend, because backend it's pretty nice and Spring/Ktor is very good, very comparable to Django/Flask / RoR / Laravel

but yeah Kotlin templating isn't the best lol, though the compilation to JS stuff can actually be quite all right

and besides you can use like a million templating languages for the true Django/RoR/Laravel experience

[ocean quartz]

Yeah the templating is kinda ass, same with Java using stuff like Thymeleaf or FreeMarker

Though Ktor does have a quite nice HTML DSL

I don't hate it, but I don't love it either
https://github.com/TriumphTeam/website/blob/main/backend/src/main/kotlin/website/pages/docs/components/Dropdown.kt#L15

[cinder flare]

i've been really liking jte, it's actually pretty clean

and it works with Kotlin too, though not with K2 or 2.0+ yet which caused me some troubles lol

[ocean quartz]

Classic K2, works great when it does, causes all sorts of weird problems otherwise

jte looks pretty nice yeah

[cinder flare]

typed, feels a lot like Laravel Blade templates

my only sadness is that they don't support custom xml components, that's like my favorite part of Blade

you can just do like <x-button>Click Here</x-button> and it all works really nicely

you have to do templates like @template.layout(content = ) and a bunch of shit

[pastel imp]

• Reactive and state management is easy af
• Compiled aka no virtual dom
• lightweight and ultra fast
• SvelteKit straight integration that provides ssr, file based routes and a bunch of other things
• Builtin animations and transitions
• Easy typescript support
• works really well with vite, tailwind, supabase and alike
• Easy to learn
• Has one of the best Dev Experiences out there

That's just naming the obvious reasons

[cerulean ibex]

isnt that like most modern frameworks

[pastel imp]

There are several other reasons that are more niche and depend on your sue case

[pastel imp]

Def. Not

Dev experience in some frameworks that I wont name suck

And while some of those points maybe apply to other frameworks, svelte does it better than most of those

[cerulean ibex]

relax the creators of them wont attack u here

i mean the only real reference i have for "modern" frameworks are solid js and some rust ones

[prisma wave]

Elm is the best frontend framework

All the others are cringe

[cerulean ibex]

🙄

[prisma wave]

Yeah this guy gets it

[cerulean ibex]

im not convinced anyone actually uses elm

there just exists a bunch of fpers praising its design

[prisma wave]

doesn’t matter who uses it

As long as you use it

stop caring about what other people think

[cinder flare]

yeah I mean Svelte is nice but the compilation aspect is really the big thing it has going for it

[cerulean ibex]

doesnt elm by design pretty much require large diffing of the entire virtual dom?

[cinder flare]

Vue has basically all of those things, plus a much larger userbase and history and libraries and shit, they just need to work on the compiler 😭

[cerulean ibex]

cuz my understanding is that elm (well not specifically elm, i think also some other functional ui libraries) are just a single pure function that turns ur data into a view

[cinder flare]

yeah maybe it's like one step higher though and can diff the function/memoize stuff before it actually has to construct a DOM or anything

[prisma wave]

No I think it works around it in various clever ways

[cerulean ibex]

you think? have u not used it? 🙏

prefired

[prisma wave]

I have used it but I don’t know the implementation detail

https://elm-lang.org/news/blazing-fast-html-round-two

[cinder flare]

has elm been like revived lol

last i checked it hadn't been updated in like 2 years and that was in like 2023 or smoething

yeah phew, core was last committed to 4 years ago

[ocean quartz]

So true

[ocean quartz]

How does it compare to react compiler?

[pastel imp]

I personally think svelte still does it better, but vue is def. The nearest to it.

[pastel imp]

If I am not mistaken it does not optimize the final output of js which svelte does

[ocean quartz]

The new compiler does

[pastel imp]

Among other smaller things I think

[cinder flare]

i think it's much better since it optimizes away the framework completely, it's just nice JS with no vdom or anything

[cinder flare]

yeah I mean it's mostly the compiler and templating views now, so once Vue compiler is here it's gonna be game over 🙂

[ocean quartz]

I am not too versed on either but iirc the new compiler does optimize a lot of stuff, like auto memoizing things
Not sure about the vdom though
But cool to see that svelte does that

[cinder flare]

yeah it does auto memoizing which is really cool, the vdom and just lifecycle of React in general are hard to get rid of

[pastel imp]

Thought the new compiler still relied on virtual dom

[cinder flare]

yeah it does

[pastel imp]

Well that alone already is the difference

[pastel imp]

Ehhhh unsure

[cinder flare]

i mean it's pretty much just that, if you look at the script stuff for vue and svelte nowadays it's basically identical

React still has all their weird idiosynchranocies with state and shit

[pastel imp]

Yeah, tbf just like react, they copied some stuff from svelte

Which is nice to see

[cinder flare]

you mean Svelte copied Vue?

cause yeah lol

that's why it's so nice

[pastel imp]

Both ways actually

Svelte initially copied some things from vue

Then the table turned around

Nowadays all big frameworks are copying svelte4 stuff

Not saying sv5 since that has runes which kinda is how react does it and alike

Just better

Ofc

[cinder flare]

what exactly are they copying from svelte 4? lol

[prisma wave]

webshit devs cannot comprehend of a project being completed and not needing infinite updates

[ocean quartz]

Honestly a lot of people can't, I get comments all the time "is this lib still active? last commit was 3 months ago" like dude ..

[prisma wave]

Many such cases

[cinder flare]

i mean with as fast as the web platform changes, yeah tbh

i feel like they could do so much

and it's nice to know there's just someone there working on it yk, even if they're not like doing huge updates and stuff

[prisma wave]

the ecosystem of libraries is still being updated

idk you're not entirely wrong because there are still some open compiler bugs and stuff

but i also dont think it's a huge deal

[wintry plinth]

i tried the new react compiler, so good

[pastel imp]

Simpler reactive declarations syntax, compilers, component scoped styles from what I can remember too

And other niches

Svelte in general did set a new standard in terms of DX for the market

Which influenced other frameworks

[desert horizon]

Do you guys have any idea why IJ (or maybe gradle or maven) at times cannot resolve dependencies and imports?
To this day do I not get why this happens at times and why it requires a Cache invalidation.....

[potent nest]

Because caching is hard

[desert horizon]

Yeah, but I feel like there should be an easier way than having to invalidate all caches + IDE restart at times

Because it eats RAM like nothing and takes forever...

[potent nest]

I mean I don’t have such problems typically, likely probably twice a year or something like that

The only project that is always scuffed is intellij-community, that just completely breaks every now and then

[crude cloud]

i can't remember when i last had to do a full cache invalidation

the repair ide feature kinda just works in the first three or four steps

[ocean quartz]

I had to do it today, but it was the first time in a few months

[desert horizon]

I had to do it after opening a Gradle project after like 2 months or so....
Invalidation worked until I wanted to build, where it failed because repo URL was outdated... Changed it, refreshed and build.... and now the issue is back...

[abstract osprey]

I end up doing it a couple times a day :/

[crude cloud]

i'm just that good

[cinder flare]

Vue had “simple reactive declarations” before Svelte and had component scoped styles too

[cinder flare]

Literally the only thing Svelte did was be a compiler lol

[pastel imp]

This is about the implementation

Which in svelte it is regarded as simply better implemented

[pastel imp]

It being a compiler did not make it the most loved framework year after year lol

DX did

[remote goblet]

one day

im gonna jump DocFlavor.String

omg

anyway

i hate intellijs new copilot shit i want to write just private not PrivateKey

[old wyvern]

A dev actually fully completing a project is simply a myth

The tradition is to start 50 projects and leave them all incomplete 🔪

[prisma wave]

yeah that’s why it’s so unbelievable that elm did it

[desert horizon]

IntelliJ is imploding on me ._.

(Well, it looked worse before I took the screenshot)

I'm just really confused why this started to happen now...

Maybe I should switch back to the 2023 version....

[potent nest]

what's the problem

[desert horizon]

Right now is it not resolving/recognizing the Dependency from the core module for some reason

invalidating caches doesn't help it

[potent nest]

did you try clicking on the reload maven thing

[desert horizon]

Multiple times

Funny enough they made a patch to fix "Sync all Maven projects..." not working

And now it got even worse....

[potent nest]

sounds like a you problem

[desert horizon]

Started a maven project reload... Hopefully this helps

Nope.... nothing changed

Opening it on IJ 2023 is perfectly fine.... So this must be yet again a case of the stupids for 2024 version.

[potent nest]

yes totally that version is known for the introduction of the "hardcore mode" so devs don't get bored

[desert horizon]

I mean, what else could be the reason if 2023 works fine, but 2024 is causing so many issues. No other IJ version had so many issues for me like 2024:

• first versions where performance eating hogs, causing hugs delays, slowdowns and lag, freezing at times even.
• I encountered more dependency issues with 2024 versions in the past month than I had with the 2023 version during my entire use of it.

Like there must be something fundamentally broken in the IDE to break down like that, which can't just be how my project is structured or how I use it... Maybe it's just not compatible with my PC specs or smth or just hates me...

[abstract osprey]

I had this same issue on gradle

It was awful

sourceSets {
main {
java {
srcDirs 'src/main'
}
}
}

ended up doing that

[desert horizon]

I use maven tho

[abstract osprey]

try

<project>
    <build>
        <sourceDirectory>src/main</sourceDirectory>
    </build>
</project>

in your core module pom

I’m on mobile atm so could be completely wrong

[desert horizon]

I'm wondering, why the core module?

Is that to tell the IDE "hey my sources are here"?

[abstract osprey]

in a nutshell yeah

[desert horizon]

According to the docs of maven and this option is the default already src/main/java

So not sure if this actually would change much

[abstract osprey]

yep. Same for gradle.
And look what IntelliJ does

doesn’t resolve the bloody classes

the issue you’re experiencing happened to me randomly

out of the blue

[desert horizon]

Does it have to be src/main and not src/main/java?

[abstract osprey]

try both

for gradle it was src/main that did the trick

could be src/main/java for maven

[desert horizon]

Has to be src/main/java for me or IJ displays the folders weirdly

Also, doesn't help

I'll just stick with IJ 2023 for as long as I can...

Runs faster anyway

[abstract osprey]

should just switch to gradle

[ocean quartz]

Still having the issue? Try running mvn clean install -U I saw someone with a similar issue and that fixed it, no idea if it'll work for you but hey worth a try

[wind patio]

try vscode

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1223581265236594758/1250778407562903662/togif-3-1.gif

[frigid badge]

boo

oops accidentally tagged u

[wind patio]

wasnt saying vscode is good

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fight-serious-right-meow-gif-27237017

[frigid badge]

good

[lavish notch]

Does anyone know Mojang's thought process behind the Ominus Potion not being like every other potion?

Can't decide if I should implement a YAML property to easily configure the strength or tell the customer to use the NBT tags property which already exists.

For context, this is for ShopGUIPlus (a shop plugin) and a user was asking about adding ominous potions of all 1 to 5 levels

[prisma wave]

What’s the downside to adding the yaml property?

[oblique heath]

yaml

[quiet sierra]

odd reason for picking a custom data component over just potion effects

might be because you can't mix and match?

I'd prioritize the end-user experience over "nbt because it's easy"

[lavish notch]

Not too sure what I would call the property and also it would likely be an item specific property which isn't nice.

[prisma wave]

what about

[oblique heath]

i would make pretend that the ominous potion is a normal potion

[lavish notch]

This is the current potion structure: https://docs.brcdev.net/#/item-meta?id=potions

[prisma wave]

ominous_bottle_strength

[oblique heath]

have the syntax to set the ominous potion strength be the same as other potions

[prisma wave]

yeah i would also do that

[lavish notch]

I did consider that but it would then be technically not to Mojang structure/spec.

https://tenor.com/6bdL.gif

[prisma wave]

thats an unhelpful target to aspire to imo

[lavish notch]

ik ik

[wind patio]

wouldn't be an edge case if it wasn't an edge case

don't stop edging

or whatever

[prisma wave]

so true

Wise words

[oblique heath]

average chrome case (i use google apps for everything)

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/holy-moly-gif-2379897567703251318

[lavish notch]

Oh the pain... got it working but stuck on spigot-api 1.20.4 and can't update due to a BannerMeta#setBaseColor usage which was removed in spigot-api 1.20.5. (this exists to support banners on 1.12 and below)

...and doing backwards reflection on BannerMeta#setBaseColor to use spigot-api 1.21.4 produces this error:
java.lang.IncompatibleClassChangeError: Found class org.bukkit.inventory.InventoryView, but interface was expected

[desert horizon]

I think those icons look nice.
Tho, also a little inconsistent because the paper plane is from fontawesome while the other ones are from Simple Icons, which has a consistent 24x24 pixel size for their SVG icons...

Also, the spigot icon is for BungeeCord... Can't find or think of one that I could use that fits better :/

[abstract osprey]

you could just squish the bungeecord logo into a 24x24 pixel svg 😭

[cerulean ibex]

just published to maven central and published the initial version of the docs for anyone interested https://komponent.sparky983.me

[cinder flare]

@pastel imp hello resident Svelte officionado, i saw this article and wondered what your defense thoughts on it were? https://hodlbod.npub.pro/post/1739830562159/

[desert horizon]

It's python right?
*leaves the room before the rage*

[crude cloud]

Rich Hickey mentioned!

[pastel imp]

Nha I am a svelte lover bur yeah will read it

[brazen ether]

#showcase message

[brittle leaf]

how do i stop procrastinating

[crude cloud]

tomorrow

[brittle leaf]

yes

[brazen ether]

do things in your "unproductive time" that are still productive; a book is probably one of the best ways to do this

there is always more to learn and so if you find something interesting, just do that

[brittle leaf]

im sat there looking at my ide, wanting to write out a better more dynamic way for my code to run compared to the many times ive tried to implement the same idea and im just like ughh i dont want to then close the ide and go back to watching youtube

and this'll repeat multiple times till i eventually actually do implement it

[cinder flare]

the hardest part is getting started

at least for me, i think about doing something and don't want to do it so i put it off

but if i can get my foot in the door and like actually open up stuff and start going, i just get really into it and work

for instance, just spent like 6 hours trying to get a Minecraft map imported into Maya and shaded correctly (still can't get Arnold to render transparency correctly lol)

but hey, it was a good experience! and now i "left a brick in the door" for future times i want to do 3d modeling/animation stuff

idk i always think time spent learning and trying stuff is time well spent, even if you don't really have much to show for it at the end

[brittle leaf]

like yesterday i actually figured out how to do json stuff, sure half of it was copy pasted but i kinda understood how to use gson so i can do json stuff in the future in java

[cinder flare]

hell yeah dude!

now you gotta take the next step and migrate to Kotlin so you can use kotlinx.serialization 🙂

[desert horizon]

Once you get how Gson works more or less, it gets easy.

[brittle leaf]

now to just reimplement custom items with some more dynamic added properties rather then making a field for each

also think imma represent the item as a json or yml file included in the jar, read and generate objects from that rather then hardcode the objects

tho thinking about it im not sure how id represent what to do on right click, left click, etc

might be overcomplicating it for something thatll never see public usw

use

[brazen ether]

another "event, condition, action" in YAML ):

[half harness]

does anyone use checker framework
I remember hearing about it somewhere so I tried implementing it in an already-existing project and got a whole bunch of errors 🥲 (with null checker and some initialization checker thingy that wouldn't disable)
spent a while trying to fix them but then eventually resorted to jetbrains annotations lol

but I didn't know checker framework can do all of what it does... seems pretty cool, but trying to adapt an existing project isn't worth it for me

[cerulean ibex]

yes ive used it before

works fine for me

it doesnt always work properly for libraries using jetbrains annotations tho

[wind patio]

@static zealot @onyx loom I have updated ChatChat to 1.21.4 if either of you would like to check it out:
https://github.com/HelpChat/ChatChat/pull/235

[static zealot]

Thank god I had to go somewhere. We were both going to do it :)))

I'll look at it tomorrow

[wind patio]

lol

I was updating it for personal use to 1.21.3, thought might aswell push an update for 1.21.4 to original

anyone knows how to correctly set-up a multi-module project? I had it working a while back now it's all messed up again

[abstract osprey]

Don’t you need a build.gradle in each module…?

Or do you already have that and I’m just not seeing it

[ocean quartz]

Yeah if you are using gradle to setup the modules you need a build.gradle for each
https://docs.gradle.org/current/userguide/intro_multi_project_builds.html

Also not using kts gradle cringe

[desert horizon]

*laughs in maven*

[static zealot]

Looks good, cube might disagree with dropping support for java 11-20

bstats is down so I have no clue how many people are on those versions

[desert horizon]

Speaking of multi module stuff.... Someone actually made a PR for a velocity version of BungeeTabListPlus.

So people can finally use it on Velocity (Once it gets merged obviously)

[steel heart]

I like it, the only thing that sometimes is annoying is that u eventually run into sum lazy initialization or some other design quirk which may require you to cast nullable type to non nullable type for example, ofc the initialization checker can figure it out at times, but sometimes its a bit goofy

[crude cloud]

doesn't it have like MonotonicNonNull or something?

i just don't like cq because it litters my autocompletion

[steel heart]

yea which works well sometimes and sometimes u still may have to cast

ofc if u have free hands you could always try to redesign entire areas where checker makes it awkward

[wind patio]

yeah they do have their own build.gradle

[crude cloud]

apparently if you expect it to not be null in a method you are meant to use like @RequiresNonNull("lazyField")

never used cq, idk it's just, too much

[steel heart]

ye fairs, RNN works fine at times, but again that requires knowledge about the field, if u have an interface that specifies itself to require a certain initialization method to be invoked in order for any data accessors guarantee non nullness, then it can become tricky iirc, if ur lucky and working w pure stuff u can maybe use the purity annot, but yea

[abstract osprey]

ah my bad

[distant sun]

8 java 17 and 1 java 11

[static zealot]

oh so bstats isn't offline. my pihole was just blocking it

[static zealot]

You tested this right? At least it starts on 1.21.4?

[wind patio]

yeah

[static zealot]

Alright. Merging it. Can you solve the conflicts for your other PR btw?

want to get that one merged as well

[wind patio]

Tried to fix it via online editor, double check if everything seems correct, my IDE is broken fsr lol

ah well build failed, I'll check it out tomorrow if I cant today

[static zealot]

missing a } from there.

[wind patio]

yeah just pushed a fix lol

unable to code without IDE screaming at me 😔 🫰

[static zealot]

was about to do it myself lol

[wind patio]

ok I'm not resolving conflicts in the online editor again

[static zealot]

(:

[wind patio]

@forest pecan where is the PR

[crude cloud]

it wasn't positively received 😔

[wind patio]

too many dislikes

[remote goblet]

should i be shot for writing this, yes/no?

why did i do Y

whatever

[prisma wave]

Object instance

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-overwatch-come-here-gif-14280244

anyway yes

just make a common super interface

and accept a value of that type

at the very least

the logic can stay the same even if it's a bit gross

[crude cloud]

<T extends Object | MatchListener | SpawnLogic | Mechanic> when

[cinder flare]

i mean a switch could also be nice

[brazen ether]

why not just separate it into 3 functions and then just take advantage of method overloading

[prisma wave]

that relies on you knowing the type at compile time

[brazen ether]

ah I see

[crude cloud]

i don't think a switch would work here

[cinder flare]

wouldn't it with the pattern matching thing?

like you could do java switch (instance) { case MatchListener listen -> this.listener = listen; case SpawnLogic logic -> this.spawnLogic = logic; case Mechanic mechanic -> this.mechanics.add(mechanic); }

[prisma wave]

technically has different semantics

if the class implemented 2 interfaces, for example

[cinder flare]

oh yeah i just figured they were mutually exclusive and you would only want one branch

and they just didn't write all the else's cause they were lazy lol

[prisma wave]

yeah i assumed so too but you never know

[brazen ether]

very simple path simplification with radial distance + dougles-peucker, recursive implementation though and gonna have to tune the tolerance but it's quite nice since it preserves sharp edges, which is exactly what i want

going to use this to automatically optimize Comet effects

(yellow = simplified, purple = original)

[brazen ether]

mmm going to need to make it so it tries to put lengths in multiples of some speed so that speed stays constant with varying interpolation duration

• also take timestamps for points into account...

[brazen ether]

or actually just pretending timestamp is 4th dimension probably works

[prisma wave]

Very cool

[remote goblet]

because i think else is ugly 😭

i will jump so many hoops to avoid doing elseif, its a sick behaviour of mine

[remote goblet]

whats fun is that i did all this when instead of doing register() i could just do this.<something> = this

[brazen ether]

original path not shown during traversal since it blocks seeing the actual movement, this is with teleportationDuration = timeDelta + 1

pretty happy with it though, ofc very curvy shapes it will not look as good but that's just the way it is

most movement i'm using this for is parabolic or sharp so it's good for that

though probably still need some tweaks, it also includes time in its calculation for which points to keep (so that movement at different speeds is preserved) but currently just uses it in seconds, which might not be the optimal way

[pastel imp]

what's the use case of this

[brazen ether]

sending updates less frequently for particles

important for Comet

[brazen ether]

there's one system that optimizes position and one system that optimizes display entity stuff since those can have separate interpolation

[pastel imp]

uhm my brain is not working decently rn (hella late) but anyone knows how I'd add the ssh key of github to Webstorm (IJ)? bit confused

I am trying to clone a repo that has strict access in an org

[prisma wave]

you shouldnt need to edit webstorm at all

just use the ssh uri for the git repo when you clone / edit the origin url

and make sure the key is on ur account obviously

[pastel imp]

how'd I do that, I am not personally cloning it, it has a npx "script"

[prisma wave]

what

what exactly is going on here

what command are you running

[pastel imp]

npx sveltelaunch create, custom thing, but internally it clones the git, but getting this:

fatal: Could not read from remote repository.

Please make sure you have the correct access rights
and the repository exists.

Which I assume is because it lacks an ssh key

[prisma wave]

that would only make sense if it was a private repo

this is a huge XY problem

[pastel imp]

well, IT IS

[prisma wave]

what?

[pastel imp]

.

it is private

[prisma wave]

ah

well

[prisma wave]

Host key verification failed.
this is actually the issue here

if you run ssh <username>@github.com you'll see the same thing i imagine

delete your known_hosts file and then try it again

[pastel imp]

The authenticity of host 'github.com (IP)' can't be established.
ED25519 key fingerprint is SHA256:+FINGERPRINT
This key is not known by any other names.
Are you sure you want to continue connecting (yes/no/[fingerprint])?

[prisma wave]

type yes

and press enter

[pastel imp]

Warning: Permanently added 'github.com' (ED25519) to the list of known hosts.
[e-mail]: Permission denied (publickey).

[prisma wave]

ok i guess you just dont have the key on github then lol

have you added the public key to your github account

[pastel imp]

I had, but I just remembered the one on github is not the right one anymore

how'd I get access to the publickey I currently have?

[prisma wave]

thatll do it lol

cat ~/.ssh/id_ed25519.pub

[pastel imp]

isn't it in a path

ah

that

thanks

[prisma wave]

assuing ur on linux

it'll be with \ on windows

[pastel imp]

uh

ok

[prisma wave]

should still work in git bash / wsl actually idk

[pastel imp]

interesting, ssh-add -l shows I have no file

[prisma wave]

i have no idea what that command does but im not sure you need it

[pastel imp]

I don't seem to be able to find the public key

[prisma wave]

what does ls ~/.ssh print

[pastel imp]

there is only a known_hosts file

[prisma wave]

oh so i guess you dont even have a key

ssh-keygen time

[pastel imp]

xd

should I use the [e-mail] email?

[prisma wave]

uh

for what?

you can just literally do ssh-keygen

and thats all u need

[pastel imp]

okay, I add the public key in GH right?

[prisma wave]

yes

[pastel imp]

I just did and still the same

[prisma wave]

the value from here?

[pastel imp]

the key

[prisma wave]

okay...

ssh -v [e-mail] run this and show me the output

[wintry plinth]

You need to cat ~/.ssh/id_ed25519.pub and paste the result in this chat /s

[prisma wave]

it's a public key so thats fine

[wintry plinth]

Oh

Fail

[prisma wave]

ssh-ed25519 AAAAC3NzaC1lZDI1NTE5AAAAIPNPRzSLlLpDQwA9QpurZnREyON6z9wHiNJ9tZexFmgh [e-mail]

heres mine

hack me

:)

[wintry plinth]

Exposed your real name

Now we know it’s Alex

So mr Brister is no more

[prisma wave]

:O

shock and horror

[wintry plinth]

Exposed

[prisma wave]

gosh darn it

you got me

[wintry plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fbi-federal-bureau-of-gif-8514161478359178167

[prisma wave]

just so this doesnt get buried

[pastel imp]

all the text wall?

[prisma wave]

sure

[cinder flare]

bro actually has a lot of keys lmao

[pastel imp]

I am rich

[cinder flare]

id_rsa, id_ecdsa, id_ed25519, id_xmss, id_dsa

[prisma wave]

huh

thats weird

[pastel imp]

funny how those never showed

[cinder flare]

i have a feeling you didn't ls your folder correctly, or the permissions are somehow messed up

[prisma wave]

WAIT

[cinder flare]

but yeah i would setup a config to force it to use the right key, then you'll know it'll be trying the right thing at least

[prisma wave]

no this is actually my bad

[cinder flare]

😮

[prisma wave]

try ssh -v [e-mail]

forgot where the username goes

[prisma wave]

but yeah probably this too, on an unrelated note

[cinder flare]

Host github.com
    HostName github.com
    IdentityFile ~/.ssh/github

that's my entry in my ~/.ssh/config for github

[prisma wave]

you have a specific key for github?

[pastel imp]

I dont even have a config

[cinder flare]

yea

[prisma wave]

yeah ignore that

[prisma wave]

just do this

[pastel imp]

pog

[cinder flare]

cause i also have a specific key for a self-hosted gitea server, and various other hosts lol

[pastel imp]

stuck at this

[prisma wave]

ah i see

why not just use 1 key for everything

[cinder flare]

why not just use 1 password for every website

though tbh i do actually use one key for basically everything else lol

[prisma wave]

feels like theyre different things?

a password can be broken, a public key gives an attacker zero information

[cinder flare]

i think i just needed to upload the key to some other servers for ci stuff so i didn't want to expose my private key yk

[prisma wave]

ah fair

[cinder flare]

omg i still have the devden dedi ssh setup 😌

[prisma wave]

wholesome

[pastel imp]

I have a solution

[prisma wave]

shame the server doesnt exist anymore

[pastel imp]

I shall delete .ssh

ez

[prisma wave]

wait

just try the original npx command now

[pastel imp]

seems like it worked?

well, ignoring this

'touch' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

    at genericNodeError (node:internal/errors:984:15)
    at wrappedFn (node:internal/errors:538:14)
    at ChildProcess.exithandler (node:child_process:422:12)
    at ChildProcess.emit (node:events:519:28)
    at maybeClose (node:internal/child_process:1105:16)
    at ChildProcess._handle.onexit (node:internal/child_process:305:5) {
  code: 1,
  killed: false,
  signal: null,
  cmd: 'touch C:\\Central\\WebStorm\\Supabase - Learning\\SvLaunchTest\\test/.env.local',
  stdout: '',
  stderr: "'touch' is not recognized as an internal or external command,\r\n" +
    'operable program or batch file.\r\n'
}

[cinder flare]

bro's not a toucher

[prisma wave]

I don’t think this is designed to be ran on windows lmao

Probably time to break out the WSL

[cinder flare]

could just make the files yourself lmao

[prisma wave]

better late than never

[pastel imp]

lmao yeah

[prisma wave]

The command would still die I think

[cinder flare]

oh true if it just runs unconditionally

[prisma wave]

Assuming it’s part of a bigger script

yeah

[pastel imp]

welp time to figure out how to add WSL to webstorm

[prisma wave]

it should just be an option in the terminal

but also why do you need to add it

[pastel imp]

for this

to work

[prisma wave]

why not just run this npx command in a WSL terminal

no need to mess around with webstorm

[pastel imp]

well I am already using webstorm sooo

[prisma wave]

suit yourself

[pastel imp]

but I guess

you are right

it's just a one time thing

[prisma wave]

in theory

it's not that hard to make a wsl terminal tho it should be added automatically

it's possible you'll have to make a new ssh key for wsl haha so just follow the previous steps again

[pastel imp]

this works right?

[pastel imp]

dies again

[prisma wave]

should do

[prisma wave]

windows moment unfortunately

[pastel imp]

wait but do I even have access to files outside the WSL env?

cause rn I can't cd into my home path

[prisma wave]

yes

but it's mounted differently

it's under /mnt/c or something

[pastel imp]

yeah it's similar to that

but why does bash and curl not work at all tf

[prisma wave]

"not work"?

[pastel imp]

not found

[prisma wave]

in WSL?

are you sure you're in wsl

[pastel imp]

Yes

[oblique heath]

can you run sh

actually run ls -alh /usr/bin/sh

[pastel imp]

ls: /usr/bin/sh: No such file or directory

[oblique heath]

wtf

my wsl has that

idk what your pc is cooking

[pastel imp]

dies

pc is cooked*

the irony of the name of the pc

[prisma wave]

what the hell have you done

[pastel imp]

installed WSL

and restarted

that's about it

[oblique heath]

how are you running wsl

for me, i just have to open cmd and run wsl

[pastel imp]

.

[oblique heath]

ah i have never used that

try it my way

[pastel imp]

just tried

same thing

[oblique heath]

wack

[prisma wave]

dont you need to install a distro too

i dont remember what wsl is like nowadays

[pastel imp]

installed ubuntu

[prisma wave]

🤔

bizarre

[pastel imp]

reinstalling it

honestly, will try to fix it tmr

its late

better do it tmr before I throw my pc out the window

🙂

[pastel imp]

okay so installed it with wsl install, and it looks good

seems to work

(ignore msg)

but like

when I open a new terminal and type wsl

it looks different

and works different

looks hella diff

[frigid badge]

that’s probably plain wsl and not the ubuntu one

[wind patio]

what looks hella diff? thats just a different bashrc/profile

[pastel imp]

Well that seems to be an issue since the Ubuntu one had everything working on it

The "plain" one can't find bash or anything else

[cinder flare]

i mean what even is a "plain wsl" lol, you need some kind of linux kernel

[pastel imp]

well idk it's what it was called by lemmo

[pastel imp]

I just know this works

and the other doesnt

[cinder flare]

i mean did you just not have a distro installed lol

and that was like the default bash shim

[pastel imp]

I have no idea

I did wsl install in powershell, it worked (first image)

then when I tried to enter wsl again

it went into the "bad" one

[brazen ether]

do people actually take these #1345491572531400745 message

$25-40 😭

[brazen ether]

nah man clearly you just gotta ask chat gpt to do it

[oblique heath]

fr

[wind patio]

nextjs + ts? its almost like.. nexts

[ocean quartz]

Tbh very unfortunate to have js in the name, they have moved to ts a long time ago :')

[prisma wave]

ts pmo ong 💔

.js

[abstract osprey]

allay is paying only 5-10?? new low

[eager fern]

Add a few more 0s

Welp thats old haha

[pastel imp]

back to this, any ideas? I already put the public key in github...

[half harness]

type "yes"

If you don't see a prompt where you can type "yes," then try to run ssh -T [e-mail] and see what you get

or unless there's more context to this

[pastel imp]

[e-mail]: Permission denied (publickey).

now I am confused

[half harness]

gotta configure it 🙃

• Setup commit signing: https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/managing-commit-signature-verification/telling-git-about-your-signing-key#telling-git-about-your-ssh-key
• Add your ssh keys to GitHub: https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/connecting-to-github-with-ssh/adding-a-new-ssh-key-to-your-github-account

and also: mark unsigned commits as "Unverified": https://docs.github.com/en/authentication/managing-commit-signature-verification/displaying-verification-statuses-for-all-of-your-commits (optional)

then once you do that, you'll get a nice "Verified" badge on all your commits :))

[pastel imp]

already added it to github...

[half harness]

did you follow both links (or technically only the 2nd is needed for ssh, but I recommend configuring commit signing as well)

something is misconfigured somewhere

[crude cloud]

this is very commonly known in the field as a "skill issue"

[pastel imp]

know it very well

[crude cloud]

samesies!

[pastel imp]

I did

(forgot to answer)

it's hella weird

hmm any chances wsl isn't using the key from my .ssh?

[half harness]

and you put them as both auth and signing keys?

try ssh -v -T [e-mail]

the -v flag enables verbosity

[half harness]

so you can see whether this is true

[pastel imp]

IT WAS THIS

it was not using the ssh keys from the "mounted"

[half harness]

tbh I'd just copy over the keys

[pastel imp]

I had to access the linux files which had diff. ssh keys

eh

whatever

[half harness]

ah so it was looking in ~/.ssh

but your ssh key was in the "normal" drive

🥴

[pastel imp]

exactly

and I was in the "normal" drive

(aka mounted)

and thought it was using that one

but it wasnt

[wind patio]

well the WSL is kind of "its own OS", so it makes sense that ssh is not using the key from Windows

same idea if you would ssh into X from Y and try to ssh from X into Z using key from Y

[prisma wave]

I did actually mention this 🤭

[half harness]

🥲

[pastel imp]

cries

[desert horizon]

I was just looking at the DeluxeMenus source to figure out how it registers/handles commands... and this gives me a migraine

Why the toLowerCase and trim on a string you could already have lowercase?

[agile galleon]

dafaq

[desert horizon]

Anyways, was looking for how it registers menu commands, because I believe I found a spigot bug/limitation?

Like, I've set an item in ItemsAdder to execute a command and according to LoneDev is IA simply performing Player#performCommand() in such a situation.
However, Commands registered by DeluxeMenus return a command syntax error (The one you get for incomplete commands)... So maybe it's actually more a Paper/Brigadier issue?

[agile galleon]

Yeah no I remember that issue a while back

[desert horizon]

Maybe it's due to DM doing reflection to access the CommandMap?

Paper exposes it for use, so maybe this messes with things (i.e. doesn't register it in the actual map but a copy?)

No expert on this obviously

[agile galleon]

I fixed it by essentially "chatting" the command for the player

With Player#chat and then prefixing the command with a /

Which pretty much does the same but somewhy works with DM

[desert horizon]

Probs because it goes through a whole different thing

Like the entire chat/message processing

[agile galleon]

probably ya

[desert horizon]

Where performCommand skips some necessary steps

I now wonder if that also happens on Spigot or only on paper

[pastel imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNlq-EVld70

[prisma wave]

it's slightly hilarious that microsoft refuses to use C# for anything

[pastel imp]

yeah xD

Go being made by google is also funny

[solar cradle]

Dang there’s barely any people in here

[lavish notch]

https://tenor.com/sPte.gif

Elitist ofc

[lavish notch]

Anyone here able to explain to me what an Invariant is in the context if a graph / data structures and algorithms Uni course?

For the life me, I cannot work out why my lecturer spent 40 mins speaking pure academic non-sense about it as all I can understand from Google is it's a variable with a constraint.

[potent nest]

it can be easier to explain for a specific case than just super generally, e.g. a loop invariant is a property that is true before and after every iteration of the loop, for objects an invariant basically describes what a valid state of the object is, ...

[lavish notch]

To me, it just seems Invariant is a fancy linguistical term for 'x should always satisfy y condition(s)'.

Is my understanding correct there?

[potent nest]

yeah kind of

[lavish notch]

Now to work out why the hell my lecturer spent 40 mins explaining this... as it's just pure academic speak he did.

[wind patio]

well, probably gonna repeat what @ SirYwell said, but iirc "invariant" is just a rule or a property that always stays true during an algorithm.

for ex. with a selection sort:

    public static void selectionSort(int[] arr) {
        int n = arr.length;
        for (int i = 0; i < n - 1; i++) {
            int minIndex = i;
            for (int j = i + 1; j < n; j++) {
                if (arr[j] < arr[minIndex]) {
                    minIndex = j;
                }
            }

            int temp = arr[minIndex];
            arr[minIndex] = arr[i];
            arr[i] = temp;

            System.out.println("After iteration " + (i + 1) + ": " + Arrays.toString(arr));
        }
    }

    public static void main(String[] args) {
        int[] numbers = {64, 25, 12, 22, 11};
        System.out.println("Original: " + Arrays.toString(numbers));
        selectionSort(numbers);
        System.out.println("Sorted: " + Arrays.toString(numbers));
    }

Original: [64, 25, 12, 22, 11]
After iteration 1: [11, 25, 12, 22, 64]
After iteration 2: [11, 12, 25, 22, 64]
After iteration 3: [11, 12, 22, 25, 64]
After iteration 4: [11, 12, 22, 25, 64]
Sorted: [11, 12, 22, 25, 64]

The invariant here is that the first i + 1 elements are always sorted at every step.

or a different example:

        int n = 5;
        int sum = 0;
        for (int i = 1; i <= n; i++) {
            sum += i;
            System.out.println("After adding " + i + ", sum = " + sum);
        }
        System.out.println("Final sum: " + sum);

The invariant here is: sum always contains the sum of numbers from 1 to i.

[lavish notch]

Cheers.

[steel heart]

Usually conditions come in the form of pre and post conditions that hold true or false, that is some property holds either before program P or after program P. Invariants as ywell said are properties that are always true basically, but its a bit abstract since there are different kinds of invariants, like loop invariants, type invariants or in terms of concurrent execution we talk about invariants as being always true until we acquire some lock and during acquisition time that invariant can be false, though more generally we don't have to involve conditions, but instead for example certain relations that are guaranteed to hold.

[prisma wave]

I love hoare logic

[steel heart]

oh my god

amount of pain figuring out loop invariants is just insanity though

[prisma wave]

it’s fun I think

Difficult but fun

[steel heart]

😭

ye fairs

[prisma wave]

We used dafny in a class last semester and that was really cool

Very satisfying

[steel heart]

damn that looks so interesting

[prisma wave]

It’s pretty fun to tinker with

[pastel imp]

@desert horizon that a plugin?