dev-general

[half harness]

Lol

[prisma wave]

1 hour to go!

just an hour away

[crude cloud]

Christmas

just a week away

can you believe it?

Christmas in a week

[prisma wave]

you are wrong

[brazen ether]

woohoo! I am so happy about this information 😁😁

[abstract osprey]

has anyone ever experienced issues with gradle where intellij shows red unresolved imports of classes in another module however gradle is happy on compile?

I've looked everywhere online; everything bloody says "this was fixed in version x" and I'm still having the issue :/

[prisma wave]

delete the project from intellij and open it again

[abstract osprey]

done that

also tried invalidating caches

also tried re-cloning the entire project

deleting .idea

deleting .gradle

no luck :/

[prisma wave]

💀

[abstract osprey]

opening the project in something like VSC (both gh workspaces and local) shows no problems

tried repair IDE too

which did nothing

I really don't want to re-install IntelliJ so thought I'd ask here first

it was working fine yesterday

opened up the IDE today and it complained

[prisma wave]

reinstalling seems like a good thing to try

what is the error exactly?

[abstract osprey]

IntelliJ literally just says "Cannot resolve symbol 'someclassname'"

    compileOnly(project(":common"))
    compileOnly(project(":modules"))

(someclassname would be in the common project)

same issues with the modules project

Just going to reinstall IntelliJ :/

Average IntelliJ install .exe being 650mb

well this is bloody useful

I uninstalled, told it to remove all settings and plugins

and when I reinstall it opens my project right up

with all my plugins installed??????????

[prisma wave]

wonderful

[abstract osprey]

re-uninstalled and all the files are still there.
Thanks IntelliJ, very cool.

Still no luck.

Exact same issue

okay

I have confirmed it's not a me issue

A friend of mine is experiencing the exact same issue

So... it's gradle??

99.99% my configuration issue -> I prefer maven but paperweight forced my hand

and Oraxen

[ocean quartz]

Delete the .gradle and .idea folder on the project while intellij is closed, then re-open the project and see if it works

[abstract osprey]

Already tried that, but I just tried it now and still experiencing the same issue...
I can't tell if this is a gradle config issue or an IntelliJ issue.
This is happening on both Ultimate and Community versions of IntelliJ which suggests a gradle configuration issue however VSC is completely fine and discovers all classes

[prisma wave]

can you share the project

[abstract osprey]

https://github.com/TerraByteDev/SkyFactionsReborn

[ocean quartz]

Also is there any error on the sync task?

[abstract osprey]

nope

Starting Gradle Daemon...
Gradle Daemon started in 2 s 499 ms
> Task :prepareKotlinBuildScriptModel UP-TO-DATE

BUILD SUCCESSFUL in 31s

Happy as larry

ignore the very poor code

oh

@ocean quartz refactor branch is where I am experiencing this issue

sorry, forgot to clarify that

it's plastered in errors but if you head to the JavaPlugin class (SkyFactionsReborn class) you'll see unresolved imports

[ocean quartz]

That's a lot of dependencies holy

Looks fine for me, I have no errors

[abstract osprey]

what 😭

[abstract osprey]

shhhh we don't talk about that!

[prisma wave]

the common moduile fails to build for me because paper/packetevents arent listed as a dependency?

[abstract osprey]

there's

900 errors

in the entire project

give or take

[prisma wave]

yeah...

[abstract osprey]

the entire purpose of that branch is to make all code platform independent

[prisma wave]

well it's not finished yet i guess lmao

[abstract osprey]

yeah absolutely not

but the missing unresolved classes issue that I'm experiencing is unrelated

and is confusing as to why myself and another person experience the same issue but y'all... don't

[prisma wave]

can you give an exact reference to some code that ij errors for

[abstract osprey]

SkyFactionsReborn class in the paper module

try see if intellij can resolve SLogger

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/tTBRUTHzSXGM
does this count?

yeah it fails for me too

[abstract osprey]

huh........

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/t0NNzZHPNRm5

[wind patio]

I just love all the plugins that have Deluxe, Reloaded, Reborn, Ultimate, Mythic prefix/suffix

[abstract osprey]

Matt what kind of black magic are you running

[wind patio]

truly shows the uniqueness

[abstract osprey]

got to get those Uppercase words in there

guess I'll just use visual studio code!

but like

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/wPNWpZf1l4dt
i get this when reimporting which might have something to do with it

[abstract osprey]

I also got that

unsure what is causing it

oh

wait nvm

[prisma wave]

wait did you say it builds fine with gradle?

[wind patio]

why is the static at the bottom and why is it public and why is the method "permission" when it returns a list

[prisma wave]

how?

there are 900 errors

[abstract osprey]

I phrased that wrong

I just meant to say that gradle syncs fine

I did have a similar issue in the main branch where my NMS module was doing the exact same thing and gradle did actually build

Didn't think much of it however this is slightly more annoying

[prisma wave]

hmm

[abstract osprey]

To be brutally honest, this is my first time using multi-module gradle

So there is absolutely a chance that I've just screwed it all up...

[prisma wave]

it can be a little finnicky

[abstract osprey]

Yeah...

amusing how Visual Studio is completely fine with it

[brazen ether]

I want to start naming plugins by just transcribing Russian words in English letters

nobody understands the purpose from the name but it sounds cool!

[prisma wave]

ok i found a kind-of workaround

add the idea plugin to the root project and apply it to all the subprojects

then delete .idea, run ./gradlew idea and open the project again

it breaks if you import the gradle project

but if you just skip that then everything works

i have no idea why this is happening ngl

[abstract osprey]

well

just before I do that

something I found peculiar

If I go to the Project Structure > Modules section

and look at the common/main module

under sources, there's nothing there

wait

hold on

nevermind

[prisma wave]

it does seem a bit messed up yeah

and syncing breaks it more

[abstract osprey]

oh my god I fucking love you

thanks so much

[prisma wave]

❤️

[abstract osprey]

-# pardon the language

[prisma wave]

i dont care lmao

it's extremely scuffed but i hope it works

[abstract osprey]

that's 3 hours and 31 minutes of my life gone LOL

[prisma wave]

classic

[abstract osprey]

you saved me from it being longer

thanks!

[brazen ether]

i recently found you can customize mac! this is what i came up with today after a few hours of frantically editting configs and googling

i think it is a decent improvement over what i had before!

[cinder flare]

the thickness of those borders would drive me insane lol

[brazen ether]

I like it like that 😭

[ocean quartz]

The transparency would drive me insane

[wind patio]

Using a mac would drive me insane

[cinder flare]

eh, besides homebrew being slow as fuck, it's pretty nice

the m-chips are superb, i can't think of a better choice for a laptop unless you like needed to game on it

[distant sun]

Tbh a Mac is the only Apple product I'd buy; not that I need a laptop, hypothetically speaking

Do you still have to pay double the price for 32GB of ram or you can add your own?

[cinder flare]

yeah you still gotta pay more

but idk, i had a minimum spec M1 Macbook Air for my work laptop and it was superb, could run IJ and everything great, used it for all my school stuff too no problem

[wintry plinth]

Agreed, the power is insane

You can even play cyberpunk on it now 😎

[brazen ether]

my laptop is usually not at full brightness so it never bothers me

but icwym

[brazen ether]

I did bring these down and like it more

[brazen ether]

^

my laptop is quite small, it's very portable everywhere and I get 32 gb ram and good performance

[abstract osprey]

just realised that hotswap is broken

actually dying

[prisma wave]

Sadge

did you fix all the compiler errors

[abstract osprey]

yep

it all compiles now

[prisma wave]

Maybe gradle will work then

[abstract osprey]

unfortunately not :(

maybe

I should make an intellij bug report?

[prisma wave]

honestly probably a good idea

They might know how to debug at least

[abstract osprey]

yeah
@prisma wave sorry but do you know what IntelliJ ver you run?

[prisma wave]

Latest I assume

yeah 2024.3

[abstract osprey]

alright, cheers

[brazen ether]

improved the sketchybar config!

(swapping between spaces)

[desert horizon]

Spent time making this thingy here...

A download fetcher for my codeberg repository and Modrinth plugin page.

[brazen ether]

that's awesome

[agile galleon]

What would be the best way to provide backwards compatibility for pre 1.21.3 attributes? They not only changed the names but the whole class that goes along with it. I need to use the newer API version because of the new equippable components

[agile galleon]

Welp. 100 lines of reflection fuckery later everything works again :)

[brazen ether]

this is the type of work AI needs to replace

[agile galleon]

and that's exactly what it did

[lavish notch]

Anyone know why ChatGPT goes into sweary-teenager mode whenever I try to get it to generate complex SQL?

[wind patio]

probably does not have many "samples" of the thing you want to generate

and from which it does it has that kind of gibberish

my assumption at least

or these are just queries of the average sql user

[lavish notch]

True, forgot about that.

[oblique heath]

this feels like your temperature is set too high

in my experience setting gpt's temperature to anything over the default causes stuff like that, its really not worth increasing it at all

[oblique heath]

if your temperature is set to its defaults, then lower it, you can try like 0.75 or 0.5

[distant sun]

Temperature?

[prisma wave]

Measurement of how hot something is

0.75 Celsius = very cold (so the ai doesn’t overheat)

It’s water cooled

[wind patio]

100 celsius = very hot, water boiling temperature

[prisma wave]

1000 celcius = very very hot, you will die

[wind patio]

lies

dont swim in 1000 degree celsius water

and no die

[desert horizon]

Usual boiling temperature.
At higher altitudes is it lower

[wind patio]

my bad

[desert horizon]

I mean on average is it 100

[potent nest]

on average in the universe?

[agile galleon]

100°C at sea level

[wind patio]

100°C at standard atmospheric pressure, which is approx. 1 atmosphere (101.3 kPa) at sea level *

[agile galleon]

1013,25 hPa to be specific

[wind patio]

you could also say 1013,25 mb (millibars) to be more specific

[desert horizon]

What I wonder what it would be at the challenger deep, assuming atmosphere there is higher

Hmmmm.....

Water at this depth is well above the critical pressure so instead of boiling it will turn into a supercritical fluid at a temperature of 374 degrees Celcius. The critical pressure of water is 218 atm while the pressure at the bottom of the Mariana Trench is over 1000 atm.

[wind patio]

So additional pressure would be:
10m / 10,900m * 101.3kPa = 110,113 kPa
hence total pressure:
101.3 kPa + 110,113 kPa = 110,214.3 kPa or 1,102,143 hPa or 1,102,143 mb.

The formula for water boiling temperature:
Tb = (b * ln(P / P0)) / (1 - ln(P / P0) / a) + T0

We define constants:

T0 = 373.15 K (boiling point at P0 = 101.3 kPa)
a = 5.3
b = 0.97


P = 110214.3 kPa
P0 = 101.3 kPa

Calculate ln(P / P0):
ln(P / P0) = ln(110214.3 / 101.3) ≈ 6.798

Substitute into the formula:
Tb = (0.97 * 6.798) / (1 - (6.798 / 5.3)) + 373.15

Simplify:
Tb = 6.59406 / (1 - 1.283) + 373.15
Tb = 574 K. (approx)

°C = K - 273.15

Tb = 574 - 273.15 = 300.85°C

So the boiling temperature is approximately 300.85°C.

You are very welcome.

[desert horizon]

did you ask chatgpt this? :P

[wind patio]

no, I'm just very smart like that

||not||

[ocean quartz]

On the topic, cool video
https://youtu.be/sEK6wZWMbCY?si=1RI-PK-V8Q8JeNyh

[abstract osprey]

You’re one out of two people who haven’t had the issue

Everyone else I’ve asked are on latest IntelliJ ultimate and have the issue

LOL

bloody IntelliJ…

[ocean quartz]

My IJ is built different I guess

[desert horizon]

Bit late but welcome to the club

[abstract osprey]

[desert horizon]

I have IJ or gradle "forget" what dependencies are like every second month

Maven is completely fine however

Just gradle who has dementia

[abstract osprey]

Well gradle has severe dementia in my case

an apparently permanent case of it

[desert horizon]

Yeah, some projects of mine don't get any resolving.

Not even after clearing cache and reopening the project

[abstract osprey]

Yeah :/

And everyone is like ‘maven sucks! XML is bad! Just use gradle!’

would never have to deal with this if I stuck with maven

paperweight forced my hand

[desert horizon]

how so?

if you don't want paper to remap your plugin, just have it as a paper plugin

On an unrelated note did I add a large warning for when the paper server was reloaded

It's not my first big wall of error

[abstract osprey]

I use paperweight for NMS

I don’t support spigot :)

Sure, there’s an unofficial maven plugin for paperweight but it was causing me grief

Plus iirc jOOQ and flyway do not have maven plugins

[abstract osprey]

….

@prisma wave it was a bloody sourceSets issue

sourceSets {
    main {
        java {
            srcDirs 'src/main'
        }
    }
}

all I had to do was add that to my common module build.gradle

[prisma wave]

😭😭😭😭😭

funny it should do that automatically

guess the multi module setup confused it

[crude cloud]

that looks wrong

your java sources should be in src/main/java tho

and you wouldn't need to specify that

[abstract osprey]

Also what I thought

[abstract osprey]

and this

And yes, my module is in src/main/java (src/main/java/net/skullian/etc)

but it… worked

<3 Roman from IntelliJ support LOL

[crude cloud]

weird

can't say I've ever had that happen

[abstract osprey]

yeah it’s annoying asf
I got fed up and decided to port the interactive chat discord srv addon to chatcontrol w/ chatcontrol LOL

[desert horizon]

HAHAHAHA.....
A bug/glitch or whatever caused Codeberg to display 1 PR when I had 2 open ones... And now that I merged both is it at -1

Not kidding

I owe them a PR now it seems

[remote goblet]

ive returned to it because i got bored with the actual totem not moving.
it spin (bonus funky mode)

[abstract osprey]

This looks amazing!

[spark holly]

Im modifying Dynmap and Dynmap-Towny to have a custom popup ui instead of the default popup marker they have atm, does this mean the marker itself which does support HTML doesn't support JS? Is that a thing for security reasons?

<div class="infowindow"><span style="font-size:120%;">%regionname% (%nation%)</span><br /> Mayor <span style="font-weight:bold;">%playerowners%</span><br /> Associates <span style="font-weight:bold;">%playermanagers%</span><br/>Flags<br /><span style="font-weight:bold;">%flags% %allies% %enemies% %leader_image% %flag%</span></div><script>window.onload = () => document.querySelectorAll('.infowindow span').forEach(span => span.innerHTML = span.innerHTML.replace(/[\s\S]+/g, 'tree'));</script>``` (Just changing every text here to "tree" just for testing)

Are there any other methods I could do intercept this and have my own trigger while setting placeholders as my parameters for a JS function?

I had to modify Dynmap(to not sanitize the <script>) and Dynmap-Towny's code and it still doesnt work? Am i doing something wrong? Or is this a limitation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/731716941022101627/1318508925594636298/image.png?ex=67633d60&is=6761ebe0&hm=c50a042cb865bcbf66971d228dcf3ffdf9e81c776bdfc5faecc51b82fb33c2ac&

[abstract osprey]

Don’t use dynamp. Problem solved!

[desert horizon]

Ye. Plugins like BlueMap are often times better

[spark holly]

Yeah but im working for a server and they want that instead

I would had used BlueMap Long ago

But i found an alternative way by just doing a websocket i guess

[desert horizon]

Yeah.... No thanks GitHub

Hope it's opt in

[wind patio]

why not?

[desert horizon]

I hate AI being squeezed into every part of life

[dry harbor]

Sigh

Just let users to go copilot instead of needlessly baking it in

[desert horizon]

One day AI will implode and we have to pick up the pieces

Like, it can be useful, but pushing it everywhere will only result in overall quality of stuff declining... Why should one learn by themself how to iterate through something when chatgpt is giving you the code free house?

It will dumb down people is what I'm saying.

[dry harbor]

Kinda too late. People have been dumbed down since musicly became a thing lol

(/tiktok, and before of course but I feel like the dumb downedness is increasing quickly l)

[lavish notch]

I agree to an extent - CoPilot is actually one of the useful AIs unlike crap like Rabbit.

I use CoPilot daily for my 9-5 and it is super useful.

[distant sun]

True

[wind patio]

True

[desert horizon]

Pretty sure it's written Copilot, without that capitalization in the word.
That gives me flashbacks of people calling Codeberg "CodeBerg"

[wind patio]

co operate

[lavish notch]

You got bigger problems than a capital letter haha.

[potent nest]

If there‘s codeberg, there also must be deberg

[crude cloud]

i like to read it as "codiverge"

[desert horizon]

Speaking of codeberg, there is now a... "scam" going around... Tho it's weird

https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/113685506150197366

Like.... they insult your code and then say they can fix it for money....

[crude cloud]

lol

and people fall for that?

[desert horizon]

I guess

I mean people fall for fake nigerian princes who promise money

[wind patio]

dead chat?

[pastel imp]

yes

[desert horizon]

obviously

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-revive-discord-gif-22826007

[crude cloud]

no

[desert horizon]

Kinda want to add unit tests to my plugin, but I'm not sure what I can actually make here...
Looked into MockBukkit and it doesn't really work with my plugin, due to various reasons...

[steel heart]

What may those various reasons be?

[static zealot]

We'll never know. It is not for us to know.

[distant sun]

One that stops me is not being able to load dependency plugins, or I didn't find out how

[steel heart]

Shouldn’t you just be mocking them anyway?

[crude cloud]

huh, how not?

[distant sun]

Then it is the later, I didn't find out

[desert horizon]

Can't simulate a player ping a server.

Also, this looks really good for me.

[wind patio]

too much imo

[pastel imp]

I'd assume that's debug on

[desert horizon]

No. The text before was the same but without the [.] text and color

[remote goblet]

adding proper documentations to plugins is so exhausting 😭

it must be done but by golly does it suck balls

[desert horizon]

I like doing it.
I think my plugin's docs are very detailed.

Even KasaiSora mentioned it was extremely detailed.

[agile galleon]

👍

[abstract osprey]

looks very nice but I think it would be nice if you condensed the ‘loaded file … as Favicon’ to just something like ‘loaded 4 files as Favicons’ or whatever

[distant sun]

Ye, I usually just send Loaded X Ys: (list here)

[agile galleon]

Or just.. not have them at all

[desert horizon]

I rather be more clear about what my plugin does, or else people will complain again

Also, MiniMessage added <pride> tags in 4.18.0. Sadly, the Paper builds rn don't use that version, yet I wanted to use it, so I manually added it myself...

Can't wait for people to complain when this is shown in June

[remote goblet]

W

paper has been infected by the woke mind virus

[desert horizon]

As long as that means we don't get awful movie adaptions of it...

Kinda want to use text shadows, ngl

ChatChat can/should support this for real.

(Also, is it me or does that text give Hotline Miami vibes?)

Also, just fyi. Full list of the pride gradients MiniMessage gives

[pastel imp]

When straight month?

[desert horizon]

Never because straight is boring

[oblique heath]

found it

[desert horizon]

Why you reply to a year old post?

[prisma wave]

January, February, March, April, may, July, August, September, October, November, December

[oblique heath]

#off-topic message

[agile galleon]

What kind of reasoning is that

Nobody cares when the events are loaded

Showing errors, okay, makes sense

But the default should be everything is working

Why would anybody want a wall of text with useless information and the plugin name printed in a big ASCII version??

Have one line printed if you so wish that informs the user of the successful initialization

Although the servers themselves already provide that with "Plugin XY enabled successfully"

So again, why?

[wintry plinth]

Personally the less flashy the better

[agile galleon]

I understand where that urge to throw your plugin into the user's face on startup, I love me some nice and fancy prints as well as a dev. But as a user it's the most annoying and useless shit a dev has ever spent their time on seriously:)

[pastel imp]

totally agree

[wintry plinth]

Yep, agreed. I feel the same with all this “happy pride month”, personally the console should be informative, not bloated with crap

[pastel imp]

it might be useful for debug modes, but by default it should not be enabled.

Also, fully agree, that flashy big LOGO is just spamming the logs

[wintry plinth]

At that point you may as well have “merry Christmas”, or “happy new year”, etc. I find it too much having my logs filled up with huge logos and stuff

[pastel imp]

And also agree, pride month should not be taken into the logs nor any other event (although I have never seen anyone do anything else besides pride month tbf), hell "Happy pride month" is barely readable in some letters lol

[prisma wave]

Happy ride month

[pastel imp]

exactly lmao

that's what I read at first

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, I just find it too much mixing sexuality stuff with business, it’s there to be informative not plastered with this stuff

[pastel imp]

besides, is it really in anyone's interest in pushing someone's "agenda" into logs of a plugin that should be informative? I get and understand all the lgbtqia (and whatever other letters, can't remember of anything else) but at this point, like I have pointed out I think, it went from a month of celebrations to a month that feels forced AF and far from celebrations. Politics/Gender/whatever else should not have any effect in information that should be factual, logical and informative.

[agile galleon]

Everybody might have a different perception of pride month but one thing we can all agree on is that it doesn't belong in the console

[wintry plinth]

It’s ok, I’m adding “merry Christmas” and “happy Halloween” to my plugins now /s

[agile galleon]

Also happy easter

Ramadan

Vodka day

[pastel imp]

since when do you have plugins

[agile galleon]

Beer day

[pastel imp]

men's mental health month!

don't forget that

europe day?

[wintry plinth]

Next year ;)

[agile galleon]

Thanksgiving

4th of July

Tag der deutschen Einheit

Tag der Arbeit

[pastel imp]

oh no, let me know if ya need anything, I myself am entering that world and I already wanna get out lmao (not rlly)

[wintry plinth]

Really haha, I’ll definitely keep it in mind. I just acquired a domain recently for a cool new venture I’m working on next year.

I want to finally get back into plugins

[pastel imp]

politics and whatever aside, the logs do look fancy and I would 100% use it for my debug mode, but not by default.

Also no big logo either

the amount of information shown should be for debugging only...

[pastel imp]

ofc you gotta have a domain for it haha

[prisma wave]

i am of the opinion that big fancy logs are bad except when i do them and in that case theyre really cool

[pastel imp]

lmao

[agile galleon]

This is so real

[wintry plinth]

Domain is the first thing I do first 😂

[pastel imp]

well that's always the case, because it "highlights" your own plugin, and who doesn't like seeing their own plugin being the center of attention?

[pastel imp]

I assume it's a domain for a store/studio that makes plugins?

[wintry plinth]

Nah new SaaS, been out of it for 2 years, it isn’t the Bug one, I’m gonna sell that due to its valuation

[pastel imp]

broooo F bug

how do you come up with so many SaaS lmao

analyse 2.0?

[wintry plinth]

I have so many ideas not enough time

[pastel imp]

give me one of them 🙂

[wintry plinth]

I acquired this domain last week, was a tad bit but guy couldn’t budge

[pastel imp]

don't tell me it's a SaaS where you sell subscriptions for plugins lmao

[wintry plinth]

It’s a SaaS that adds a message for holidays, like happy Easter etc /s

[pastel imp]

Make an integration with Runway so that people can add those ANYWHERE!?

😉

[wind patio]

Time to add a field to every json response that congratulates our clients with the current on-going event

I am sure our clients with love that

[pastel imp]

jokes aside, would be quite cool to have dynamic messaging/broadcasting to plugins

can easily be done tbf

[wind patio]

Just gonna push to prod without any reviews

Cuz im chill like that

[pastel imp]

you just send a request to get the message of the day

from github or smt

welp time to go take a shower

merry Christmas everyone btw

[wind patio]

But yeah, keep the logs clean

Imo they should only contain critical information about whats going on with the application

[wintry plinth]

Yesss, __HOLIDAY_MESSAGE__ json field

[wind patio]

Not only for users but for devs as well (I guess there is some sort of exception for applications ran by the users themselves)

[wintry plinth]

It’s cool that I’ve got https://bug.io, I wanted to make it an error tracking thing for game mods/plugins, but monetisation was my only worry

So I’m prob just gonna sell it

[wintry plinth]

Merry Christmas buddy

[pastel imp]

yeah not sure how you'd monetize it tbf

[crude cloud]

time to pronounce Christmas as Christ-mas

[wind patio]

KRIESTmas

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, would be cool as an open source thing, but monetisation would be so hard :(

[agile galleon]

Legit just a sentry remake?

[wind patio]

Not to be mean or anything but probably not as sophisticated or just straight up something entirely different

[wintry plinth]

Sort of, but more niche. Similar to what https://flareapp.io is, where it’s focused on Laravel.

[wintry plinth]

I see where you’re coming from, I think simple always wins though especially when solving a core problem

[wind patio]

true that

[pastel imp]

even better, detailed but shown in a simplified way

[wintry plinth]

Yeah exactly, I always believe it’s possible to build something new that backs off an existing idea.

That’s mainly why I love those SaaS that are niche, such as that Flare one. It’s basically a simpler version of Sentry aimed at Laravel, and they do so well

[desert horizon]

Well.... why not?
Nobody complained about this so far.

[agile galleon]

We did? We gave you enough reasons to not do that

[desert horizon]

Are you using it?

[wind patio]

I agree, sometimes we take simple things for granted

for ex. Jira is really good app, but they are mostly oriented for big teams (from my pov), I was looking something simple, Trello is also good, but I decided to built my own little kanban board

[cinder flare]

yeah I wish there was an open source self-hosted project planning thing like that, the server I work for ended up just using a Discord Ticket Bot to manage stuff and it's pretty horrible lol

but we couldn't find any project planning things like that that weren't like $12/user/month, and we have like 90 users so that's not really an option lol

[wind patio]

by no means it's a crazy good app, but I like the learning experience (still WIP)

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, it’s so easy to build something simple and go “this feels way too basic”, but I find that people often only care about a small % of features.

Same thing with plugins, people bend over backwards to cover every possible feature and it ends up bloated. Whereas if you focus on the core for your niche, you’ll often get the $$ from those people.

[wind patio]

What about https://planka.app/ ?

[wintry plinth]

That flare app feels so so simple and basic, yet it solves a solution, and it’s proof that simple works

[wind patio]

If the user base is huge and each project (customer) requires different tools and integrations then most of the time that leads to a very "bloated" software

Some of the services kind of "solve" this by having their "marketplace" and "plugins" and what not

[cinder flare]

Oh that seems interesting! We were looking into Plane, as it was similar to Linear, but it had some issues

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, I see it a lot with plugins, like you’d end up with a tags plugin that hooks into a pvp plugin to change the tag. And I think.. surely you’d just use the api and build the integration yourself.

Or even an “expansion” thing like PAPI and the others have

[pastel imp]

We use it in one of the servers I work for

[wind patio]

Reminds me of Trello, almost 1 to 1 lol, but you can self-host this

[pastel imp]

And funnily enough, owner wants to either replace the plugin or me to write a filter for the logger

[pastel imp]

I use linear and it's REALLY nice

[abstract osprey]

log4j filter configurations

thanks for coming to my ted talk

vouch for linear owo

Did y’all hear about the Spartan fiasco?

(The anticheat)

[wintry plinth]

No 😮

[abstract osprey]

So I’m sure you’re aware that Spartan’s ‘base’ framework for their anticheat is open source (however the actual checks aren’t).
Spartan includes built in integrations for plugins like ItemsAdder, and other premium plugins… of which these jar files, which were purchased by Vagdedes himself were present in the repo.
Fully functional premium jarfiles. ItemsAdder, crackshotplus, vehicles, real dual wield etc

[wind patio]

💀

[abstract osprey]

he started messaging plugin devs about his mistake and then said it was all fine with 2 screenshots of author responses from the plugins that were either open source (eco) or smaller premium ones

oh mythic mobs was another

the big ones were IA and MM

fun, right?

https://github.com/Vagdedes/Spartan-AntiCheat/commits/main/

[wind patio]

so anyone could just download it?

[abstract osprey]

yep

it was there for AGES

[wind patio]

damn, missed out

[abstract osprey]

like a month ish

[wind patio]

tho isnt it still present

[abstract osprey]

I mean you can still download em

just browse files of the old commits

xddd

[wind patio]

true

[abstract osprey]

18 jarfiles there

not all premium to be fair

[wind patio]

crazy

[abstract osprey]

for some reason not using maven dependencies

[abstract osprey]

yep…

[prisma wave]

lowkey this is the plugin authors own fault for not providing a proper api

[abstract osprey]

the issue is

[prisma wave]

someone was bound to do something like that eventually

[abstract osprey]

mythic mobs and items added have their own APIs???

literally

most of them have their own APIs

[abstract osprey]

like maven APIs that don’t include the actual plugin code

and he decided to include the physical jarfiles

and forces you to manually add the dependencies in the pom.xml

[wind patio]

well you should still, well, do not push them to remote

and add a notice that you need to purchase those plugins yourself if you want to work on the code

but that's just my take

[abstract osprey]

the thing is

he literally said in the readme

ensure you have the local dependencies in the repo

‘Include all local dependencies already included in this folder.’

[desert horizon]

Find it weird how people can complain so much about some simple lines in a log... Pretty sure they don't complain about LP...

[abstract osprey]

Also his Spartan vs. Vulcan video is funny

[wind patio]

he also had them in /src/main/resources lol

[abstract osprey]

😭😭😭

[desert horizon]

And depending on the plugins used are there sure some more offending ones... Like Pretty sure ChatControl Red is an awful example (Last time I checked it was not better than mine with ASCII art)
Most offending I recall tho Are Iris and Wormhole

[abstract osprey]

My plugin startup logs are bloody huge, and rather colourful

mine also has giant ascii art at the start

[desert horizon]

Tho, for the happyness of many will I see to add an option to hide the banner, and make the messages less I guess...

Tho, it would require to move the config loading stuff around a bit...

[prisma wave]

sure, but when you force people to use clunky dependency methods like this someone is gonna eventually fuck up

[abstract osprey]

you’d think vagdedes, a premium plugin developer themselves would know better

and have maybe just a shred of common sense

[desert horizon]

Dude... If a guy like Mr MineAcademy can't do things right....

[abstract osprey]

he took so long for CHC v11.

[desert horizon]

I find it insulting that this guy is a jetbrains partner... Guess their standards are rather low...

[abstract osprey]

can’t believe it was v11 that introduced minimessage support

[desert horizon]

It's sad that Spigot doesn't support it... Not even in the form of converting it or whatever...

Guess they love their Bungee API so much

[abstract osprey]

I asked a question about CHC.
He responded to someone who asked a question after me.
I bumped my question, no response

[desert horizon]

No idea what CHC is honestly

[abstract osprey]

for some reason the velocity version of chat control makes you disable bungee plugin messaging

[abstract osprey]

Chat control red by kangarko

CCR, CHC whatever

sorry should have clarified that

[desert horizon]

Not sure how good my plugin's API is tbh... But I have one I guess

[prisma wave]

i mean if it's open source it doesnt matter anyway

[pastel imp]

It's useless spam

[pastel imp]

ChatControl is also bad, so, explained

[abstract osprey]

not really

[pastel imp]

Just make it debug mode.

[abstract osprey]

default enabled

[abstract osprey]

meh…
We use chatcontrol and it’s been generally fine

Once you configure it, it’s great

Alternatives like carbon chat…? Sure… but I’ve heard awful things about their channels and duplicate messages

zelchat? Too many features, unnecessary bloat

[desert horizon]

Iris was so much worse tbh.

[abstract osprey]

sure, CHC has tons of features as well

[desert horizon]

Like instead of a text, they printed an entire logo...

[desert horizon]

Would you say informing about migrating config is something that should be mentioned by default?
By that I mean stuff like "Detected old config.yml. Trying to migrate..."

[pastel imp]

Feels bad

[pastel imp]

Chatchat

[pastel imp]

Press x to doubt, anything made by kangarko sucks by factory

[pastel imp]

Yes, I need to be informed on changes made to the config file not made by me

Otherwise I would open the config, and I things wouldn't be on the same place and I'd wonder why

[abstract osprey]

might suck by default but you can sure as hell make it not suck

we have multiple thousand lines of filtering rules which was fun

[pastel imp]

You obviously are blind to see the point

But it's christmas, so idc

[abstract osprey]

to each their own I say.
chatcontrol has been fine for us. It works. It doesn’t lag us. Tons of customisation. Works for our dual proxy setup.

Actually a nice API too, used it for our chatbridge

[pastel imp]

Merry christmas

[abstract osprey]

No filtering nor proxy support from the looks of it

merry Christmas to you too

[wintry plinth]

To be truthfully honest, I see it as useless spam as well. It’s a plugin for server list stuff, I don’t need to see a huge banner with “happy pride month”.

[pastel imp]

You support people like kangarko, my "merry christmas" was purely to end the convo as I know speaking further won't lead to anything and since it's christmas, I prefer to be sane

[abstract osprey]

merry Christmas!

[pastel imp]

Indeed

You too

[abstract osprey]

you too

[prisma wave]

you too

[desert horizon]

There

(Has the option to disable the banner too.)

If you want it any more clean, make it yourself, because I seriously find this nitpicky

[remote goblet]

had to make a pull request to a plugin with 54k downloads to stop them from granting players to upload any image onto the server to players by default

the stupidity of spigot developers constantly astounds me

imageframe when i catch you

[distant sun]

what plugin>?

ah imageframe is the plugin

[remote goblet]

yes

this is the pr https://github.com/LOOHP/ImageFrame/pull/86

[agile galleon]

If you don't want to argue with us, just say that :)

Why are you telling the user their platform and version? I sure hope they know that.
If you really want to tell the user that they loaded x profiles, why have it print "Loading profiles..." before? I'm guessing that takes 100ms max, so you could just leave that out. If you really insist on having that big banner and more information than necessary, I recommend this:

• keep banner if you want
• backup infos are nice
• no need for double the migration success message, otherwise nice
• no need for platform
• just keep "successfully loaded x profiles" (w/o the line above)
• same with x local favicons
• no need for the command registration
• players cached isn't relevant either ig, leave that out
• ready print, you can leave it
• remove looking for an update, just say something when there is one
  I think this would be a nice compromise, between having your plugin spit out very much unnecessary information and spitting out only necessary information. And if you want to be really nice, remove the banner entirely without a user having to disable it, they see the name often enough.
  Just so you know, I don't mean any of this offensively. I just try to provide some objective feedback, but seeing you react without counter arguments, except this being "nitpicky" is just useless.

[desert horizon]

• I have platform as a more detailed info for myself, in case people report only snippets of info, as they often do. It's not unusual to see this being included. Just look at LuckPerms or ItemsAdder which both print this (ItemsAdder even more so by including OS and dependencies)
• The reason I keep the loading messages for profiles and version checks is, that I want to be transparent on what the plugin does.
  Suddenly getting a update notif out of nowhere in the console is nothing I like. I want the user to know the plugin performs an update check, or that it loads profiles.
• Player caching can be relevant if there would be cache-related issues (Like players not being cached for some reason, which could be bound to same IP being used or whatever...)

I'm generally just frustrated that nobody has complained about his in the 1+ year since it was like this, yet when I share it here, complaints get raised everywhere...
In addition do I also dislike the negative reception of just wanting the pride colors to be displayed... While I understand it's not meant to be offensive is a part of me also feeling it is. Can't a plugin support a community like that? Would you also complain aboue PermissionsEx displaying as PermissionSex during april fools? It has a similar feel to me.

[remote goblet]

i dont want to join this conversation too much because its quite pointless, i will note that luckperms startup logs are quite minimal relative to the one you've showcased.

complaining about pride showcase is also quite irrelevant, they're just colours lmfao

[pastel imp]

That makes it quite unreadable

[remote goblet]

if it was any important text sure

but its ascii art so it doesnt matter

[pastel imp]

It's just spam

[remote goblet]

yeah but also like it doesnt matter

[pastel imp]

Exactly, then why is it present in a place that should only contain important info

[remote goblet]

it doesnt matter either way

it doesnt matter whether its there, it doesnt matter whether it wasnt there

its a non criticism

now if it was like a huge ass wall of text that was like 50 lines long, you have a point

but its really not

[abstract osprey]

Hell, plugins like MythicMobs and VillagerOptimiser have giant bloody logs on startup

MythicMobs just ends up logging a crap ton of spigot configs or whatever with no meaningful information

Server startup itself outputs a hell of a lot of logs

spigotlibraryloader / mavenlibraryresolver too

[crude cloud]

yeah, I hate all of that

[abstract osprey]

and yet we live with it

nothing we can do
time to fork paper and remove all of that shit and maintain it forever!

[crude cloud]

unfortunately

[abstract osprey]

oh well

[crude cloud]

every time I have to look at someone's log and it looks like a fucking forge log because it's full of startup garbage

[abstract osprey]

To be fair the library resolved thing is fucking ridiculous

I would rather just stick with
‘Loaded [20] libraries’

[crude cloud]

I wanna just say good luck man with your issue

[abstract osprey]

oh modded is so much worse than paper / spigot logs

so many errors / warnings half the time

That’s the issue with modded
You could have 300 errors on startup and everything works fine

it’s one of those things where if it works you don’t touch it

an unspoken rule so to say

Imagine if CTRL + F didn’t exist…

[desert horizon]

Even worse, MythicMobs still uses STDOUT for whatever reason... Not sure if it is some kind of debug or intentional...

But man, the logs I have to look through when MythicMobs or ModelEngine are present....

That's why I started to ask people to give bare-bones server setups when reporting issues (Not for my plugin. Talking about ItemsAdder I give support for)

[desert horizon]

I feel like that's simply due to whatever spigot uses for dependency loading, which I assume is probs what Paper exposes in their bootstrapper system.

Also, I personally feel like that library loaders need to be like this... Else could someone just have malware being downloaded without any hints in the logs. It adds a level of transparency that is needed.

[abstract osprey]

Oh absolutely.
Paper classloader uses MavenLibraryResolver, the normal spigot plugin.yml libraries list just uses SpigotLibraryLoader

but still, it outputs each library for each plugin with spigotlibraryloader

not so much for paper but it still outputs a crap ton of logs when initially downloading libraries

(also goes for spigot)

[abstract osprey]

Certified MythicMobs moment.

[abstract osprey]

I’m fine with this because it’s one time

[abstract osprey]

Not so much for this.
I’d rather it just be
‘Loaded [12] libraries for plugin ___’
or just ‘loaded [24] libraries for all plugins’

sure if it fails then throw an exception

but there’s no real valid reason to output every loaded library for every plugin that uses spigot library loader

[desert horizon]

What I find funny is, how it says like "loading 4 libraries" but then has like 16 lines because it obviously doesn't know about and include dependencies of these libraries.

[abstract osprey]

oh my god I know 😭

[desert horizon]

Was kinda my point before... Why complain about some lines in the console? I would understand if it bloated the file by a few GB or made it generally unreadable (i.e. constantly spamming it), but this shouldn't really affect the logs nor console that much...
But whatever. Changes have been made.

[pastel imp]

Issue is "if he can do it, why can't I" situation, if all plugins start doing the same, then spam will be quite noticeable, also, errors cam happen on start and maybe too many messages that are useless may hide actual important messages. At least that is how I see it.

[desert horizon]

That's why you should use proper log levels. Warnings and errors are highlighted in a different color - at least when you use a console that supports this - so it should be more noticable in the end. Only logs may be an issue, but here could you do a Ctrl+F search for "WARN" or "ERROR" or similar. And if you use a good file editor could there even be highlighting for that.

I can understand a lot of text can be frustrating... But does it hurt that much to maybe scroll once or twice more to get past these lines? Ori is right in that this is a non-issue. It's a convenience problem at best.

On an unrelated note, The fedora project seems to switch their Git hosting to Forgejo, which is neat
https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-chooses-forgejo/

[wind patio]

I can see both (all?) sides regarding this topic. For developers or the people who actually read the logs: the less - the better and logs should only contain important and critical information.

For the plugin author? I assume its a preference, really. The more logs the easier it is to follow what is happening with the plugin, even if it's only at startup.

And as for the server owners, I don't think they really care.

Honestly, if it's only once and at the start-up, fine by me

But personally I like to keep it clean

[distant sun]

If you want to know more info about the system, etc., just put it all on a long line that way you get all the info you want from logs, and the console is not spammed ig

[wind patio]

well, couple other options is having a log file for your plugin at, say, /plugins/MyPlugin/logs
or just log it to console and not in the logs via Bukkit.getServer().getConsoleSender().sendMessage() or smt

or System.out.println() 😎

or a custom console logger

[desert horizon]

Ye, like

The plugin is running on Paper whatever-version-dump with 27 other plugins, 3 are supported soft-dependencies. Command was registered, the profiles default.yml and you-are-banned.yml got loaded successfully. Config is v7 right now and was migrated from v6 with backup config_whatever.yml being created.

[desert horizon]

Well, my plugin just uses ComponentLogger which is integrated into Paper since like 2 years

[agile galleon]

This is a convenience problem, yes, but it's like putting a rock in a path people easily can go around. But it's still there for no apparent reason

You said that you wanted to let the user know what the plugin is currently doing as if that wall of text isn't printed within 100ms of each other, all these operations don't take long enough for the user to start wondering what it's doing

Also, suddenly getting an update notification is nothing out of the ordinary, many plugins include an updater. As for the important information? I have an extra command that uploads all necessary information for debugging in a paste so the user can just copy/paste the link it put out, very useful. Information is only shown when necessary. I have also implemented mclo.gs support which uploads any log you want in its entirety. Also quite useful.

If you really need the information displayed there, then do that in a one liner. I quite like that. And the banner? Well that's just bloat, we can agree :)

[prisma wave]

Agree with this

but also at the end of the day it’s not that deep

[remote goblet]

what domain register do people use nowadays

[oblique heath]

cloudflare 🔥 🔥 🔥

[wintry plinth]

Porkbun, it's as cheap as Cloudflare but you're not locked in to CF's name servers

[agile galleon]

^ and it has more TLDs

like .top or .party domains, really fun for a few bucks

[pastel imp]

Always got told namecheap is the cheapest haha

[wintry plinth]

One of that most expensive more like haha

Once a domain I had was $150/ye on namecheap and $90 on Porkbun

[pastel imp]

Time to check for the domain I wanted to buy in porkbun

[desert horizon]

Cloudflare Registrar.
Sadly no .ch support yet. Is the only one I not have on it rn...

[desert horizon]

Usually for the first-time buy

But recuring payments become way more expensive later on.

[oblique heath]

could still be worth it to use namecheap or any other registrar that has a good first time deal

you just switch to a good normal price registrar after the lock in period is over

[desert horizon]

Uhm......

[wintry plinth]

Yes, you can’t change the name servers your domain points to

[desert horizon]

The way this point is shown tells me they use CF behind the scenes for DNS

And using CF for your DNS requires usage of their nameservers

[wintry plinth]

You’re forced into Cloudflare’s name servers, so in my case if I decide to switch to Vercel’s NS, you’re screwed

Plus the 60-day lock in between registrars, so if you suddenly need to switch you’re screwed

[desert horizon]

That's more a general issue tho and not specifically to CF

[wintry plinth]

I know, but I'm talking about being locked into CF's name servers, which is specific to them

No other registrar does this

[desert horizon]

🤷‍♂️

[wintry plinth]

I just prefer flexibility to be honest, I hate the thought of being vendor locked

I have all my domains registered w/ Porkbun, great company

[wind patio]

dead chat sadly

[crude cloud]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-friday-gif-8371587034143696958

https://tenor.com/view/good-day-hi-cat-love-heart-gif-1883994601812074868

[pastel imp]

https://tenor.com/oDByi9RaVkg.gif

[abstract osprey]

nothing much from the looks of it

[wind patio]

@wintry plinth hey, sorry for ping, stuck between a rock at this point, can't seem to figure this one out on my own lol

is there a chance you've used pusher and laravel echo?

public channels seem to work correctly, having some issues with client-side messaging via private channels

I don't have any authentication for this particular instance, I've tried:

Broadcast::channel('deck-changed.{roomId}', function ($user, $roomId) {
    return true;
});

in channels.php

And I am using this on my client-side:

    const handleDeckChange = (event) => {
        const newDeck = event.target.value;
        setSelectedDeck(newDeck);
        window.Echo.private(`deck-changed.${roomId}`).whisper('deckChanged', { deck: newDeck });
    };

[wintry plinth]

My DM's are always open if you ever want to ask questions 😄

[wintry plinth]

Maybe https://stackoverflow.com/questions/41728930/laravel-broadcasting-auth-always-fails-with-403-error will help, as its guest-based auth which is prob disabled by default

Private channels require you to authorize that the currently authenticated user can actually listen on the channel.

[wind patio]

yeah, tried everything at this point it seems like

[wind patio]

just decided to not use private channels since it seems you cannot you them without auth

though it's pretty fun to play around with, I guess, technically sockets?

seeing the page live-update to every client is satisfying lol

there might be some better approaches for this, but pretty satisfied with the outcome so far (not done with styling and what not)

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, I didn’t realise looking on the docs you can trigger events without needing an actual class, that’s going to be so useful when you need to trigger a page refresh

[wind patio]

currently I am updating the state of variables in the component itself when an event is triggered.

do you reckon its possible just to "reload" the whole page (seamlessly without any actual page reload) to update all the required data?

for example I have different events for each action, ex. when player picks a card, an event is triggered that updates "players" state on each client.
I am wondering if I could just "re-render" ("reload") the component for other clients and just pass the new data from the backend.

now that I thought about it I probably could have just used Inertia.reload() or router.visit

[desert horizon]

Anyone else here wishes you could have updating lines in the console of your server?
Like how you can have it in a terminal where it updates the line with a download progress...
Would certainly help in cases like the lib loader spamming in the console. And I recall the plugin BungeeUtils doing something funky like that (Can remember wrong tho).

[desert horizon]

Yeah, BungeeUtils hooked into the ConsoleReader of the proxy and probs achieved this stuff through that...

[wind patio]

yeah I was about to say something along these lines, but there's no real/native way to do that. Once the line is flushed there's no way of editing it.

The only way of achieving something like this is probably by using ANSI escape codes, clearing and re-writing the screen. Either way it involves some hacky ways of doing it.

Also each terminal in itself is probably different, so there may be some implementation caveats to properly work everywhere

[desert horizon]

Yeah, pretty sure some "terminals" - especially on hosts - just read the log file as it updates... Wouldn't be surprised if there really are such

[ionic gust]

@half harness 😬 https://github.com/srnyx/gradle-galaxy/commit/1d011a29be55486e1d74b7dd615a843e396e3206 bottom changes

[half harness]

🤔

oh

ooo

gradlegalaxy is 🚀

[ionic gust]

🚀

favorite emoji

dkimgradle is ok too

[ionic gust]

just checked github, no one else uses it 💀

probs for the best

[surreal garnet]

I could be pulling a blank, but I wanted to mess with Kotlin extensions (Since I made the commit of wanting to learn more Kotlin)

Whenever I try to use the method it just doesn't show as available to import.

Not sure what I'm missing, but I know it's something lol.

Heres the file, any feedback is appreciated 😅

https://paste.helpch.at/gohaxozinu.kotlin

[remote goblet]

are you able to write Bukkit.findPlayer and see if it shows up by force

[half harness]

it's because you need a Bukkit instance - not static

but Bukkit.getPlayer already does that

[surreal garnet]

Ah okay

[half harness]

or actually not the contains part
but it checks if the player's username starts with the parameter

[surreal garnet]

https://i.tricrotism.com/ngn2zlk4.png

[half harness]

here I guess you could do Server.findPlayer

and then Bukkit.getServer().findPlayer()?

not sure if there's a more "proper" way that it should be done though

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[surreal garnet]

fair

[remote goblet]

yeah that actually makes sense

[surreal garnet]

just dropped the bukkit part and it worked

well good enough lmao

first project im trying with kotlin, its a bit different but interesting to learn

[ocean quartz]

fun Bukkit.static.myExtension() one day they'll finish, one day .. it has only been open for 8 years

[half harness]

8 years

welp

🥲

[desert horizon]

On what repository can I find this commit?
(Sorry, couldn't resist the bad joke)

[prisma wave]

I swear there’s a method like this in bukkits api already

[crude cloud]

yeah Server#getPlayer(String) already covers the first two matches there

but personally I'd consider anything that isn't an exact match short of a bug tbh

[distant sun]

exact match is the only way

// Find partial match within name a lot of things can go wrong with this

[wind patio]

yes, players having alt accounts

I've seen this issue in production lol

[surreal garnet]

Tbf, I haven’t had any issues with it and have been running it for over 6 months+-

Was in a different language before but ye.

[timber oak]

Does anyone know a good place to learn Java Spring boot or whatever? I've fairly experienced with java already I'd say

[wind patio]

https://spring.academy/ ¯_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqq-6Pq4lTTbx8p2oCgcAQGQyqN8XeA1x

[desert horizon]

Just spend some time making a CommandStringBuilder class to create a /<command> <args> [args] ... string with Hover text using MiniMessage...
https://paste.helpch.at/eqacemifes.java

It's certainly something...

Here's an example use I have for /asl profiles <add <name> | copy <profile> <name> | list>
https://paste.helpch.at/ehunohakem.java

[distant sun]

neat

[agile galleon]

Does anybody know in which version this was added? https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/inventory/meta/ItemMeta.html#getEnchantmentGlintOverride()

[pastel imp]

Can't you go back to previous versions and check?

But I'd think that is newer than 1.18

[agile galleon]

Yeah looks like 1.20.5

With all the new shits and giggles Mojang added

[pastel imp]

Yeah

[brazen ether]

I wonder if there is anything like a sound approximator with Minecraft sounds. like a Fourier Series type of thing

[abstract osprey]

I’d love if there was some collection of specifically tuned mc sounds that.. can actually be used in a mc server for nice sound effects

Rather than messing around with sound pitches for hours

[wintry plinth]

Yeah agreed, especially for GUIs and such

[abstract osprey]

absolutely yeah

I'd also LOVE for a nice collection of NBS music for mc but we can't have it all haha

[surreal garnet]

Native mc, no. With texture packs you probably could

As you can do custom sounds with them

[abstract osprey]

well I'm more talking about MIDI files or NBS files that can be played server side with something like NoteBlockAPI or Jukebox

[surreal garnet]

Ah okay

[desert horizon]

I wanted to ask something here, but completely forgot what I wanted to ask.... I love my brain /s

[surreal garnet]

Mood

[remote goblet]

please i beg someone

on intellij new ui, does anyone know how to change the colour of the toolbar

my ide just has a streak of green piss and i dont know how to change it 😭 its ruining my mental state

setting project colour just makes one part a gradient

[remote goblet]

apparently its because of system colour

[desert horizon]

I think I remember what I wanted to ask... Namely about some feedback on my Plugin's wiki... Mostly about its structure.
I feel like I could improve it more, but I'm not sure about what exactly....
https://asl.andre601.ch/

[desert horizon]

Also, working out a possible structure for when I actually figure out how to make a Javadoc Doclet to create JSON from javadocs....
https://gist.github.com/Andre601/3904ed37acac73d19111faf52934b9fc

[remote goblet]

i reset my entire .idea folder and its still piss coloured............. but it changes on each project so i have no fucking clue

[ocean quartz]

Try these settings? Not sure if they'll fix it but that's the only thing I can think of

It's all locked for me but I don't have the issue

[remote goblet]

MY SAVIOUR

piss bar gone

[agile galleon]

How do y'all provide backwards compatibility for Spigot changing a few classes into interfaces? I'm having issues with the InventoryView and its methods not existing anymore because it expected an interface instead of a class

[prisma wave]

i suppose it depends on exactly what you're doing

reflection might work 🥴

[agile galleon]

Yeah I had to do that for the last issue I had with that change, ChatGPT my saviour, lord imagine if I'd have to write that myself

Just for some ambigous reason the simple solution doesn't work and I wanted to ask if there maybe is a good solution for this

[prisma wave]

what are you trying to do exactly

and what error are you getting

[agile galleon]

Basically just interacting with an InventoryView like getting its type or an item in a certain slot

The error seems to have vanished

Changed nothing

Way to go

[prisma wave]

epic

[agile galleon]

Only have to move 5 other methods to reflections... (everything will be fine (fucking hell I'm passing the InventoryView as a param which means that won't work either (wtf md_5 you never break stuff)))

[pastel imp]

easy solution would be don't 🙂

[agile galleon]

i wish i shouldn't have to

[potent nest]

MethodHandles

[prisma wave]

MethodHandeez

[agile galleon]

Could use them, true

They better than regular old reflection and prayers?

[prisma wave]

probably

[agile galleon]

Wait hold on

Ah fuck nvm

[pastel imp]

let me guess "UwU I wanna post my plugin in spigotmc"?

[agile galleon]

without the UwU and already happened

[pastel imp]

(which I guess it's fair)

well, the point still stays but ye

feels bad

[agile galleon]

2 years anniversary actually lmao

[pastel imp]

anyways, life moves on

[agile galleon]

pretty much yeah

[abstract osprey]

You don’t :)

screw the old versions!

[agile galleon]

I try to at least support one major version behind, updating servers is sometimes really hard and time consuming, especially for people that do this in their free time

[agile galleon]

They don't work for this use case since I have to define the return type, to which I don't have access currently

[pastel imp]

that's understandable

pretty sure paper does the same

I agree with that

besides supporting spigot

cause fk no

[potent nest]

you can unreflect Method objects

[crude cloud]

you can also compile against the oldest version you are willing to support

[agile galleon]

I decided to not do this since I would have to then use reflection for all the new APIs including equippables. Ultimately I decided that backwards supporting these few methods is easier

[agile galleon]

Seemed to work, thank you!

[prisma wave]

No problem

[pastel imp]

@cerulean ibex Uppercased methods are criminal

[cerulean ibex]

idk i cant stand them lowercase

maybe its my react brain

[pastel imp]

💀

it's only the industry standard yk

[cerulean ibex]

jetpack compose does them uppercase

[pastel imp]

React being React, typical

[pastel imp]

just because another one doesn't respect industry standards does not mean you should do it lol

[cerulean ibex]

yes it does

[pastel imp]

💀

first time you are disappointing me XD (not that that matters)

[cerulean ibex]

kotlin and jetbrains like officially supports jetpack compose so is it really against the standard if they make the standard

[pastel imp]

why wouldn't they support a widely used library

[cerulean ibex]

this looks wrong imo https://imgur.com/a/i0ZCnEk

i think its react brain

also idk if anyone can help me without some source code but here at the end i'm clicking it multiple times and it only worked once https://youtu.be/VVqXMxz5D5c?t=78

its very inconsistent sometimes it doesnt work at all other times it works perfectly fine

[pastel imp]

it is

[wind patio]

much better

[cerulean ibex]

u fr?

ok if i get a name for the lowercase For component ill consider changing it

currently just the regular for loop is fine but thats its not reactive so eventually ill need the component

[ocean quartz]

Yeah it's the standard for compose to use uppercase functions because they are components

Also slap a delegate to that Signal

val count by Signal(0)
So you can do count++ instead of count.value++

[cerulean ibex]

i would but that requires weird tracking

because most libraries track calls inside createEffect

which is rly weird and imo just super hacky

[ocean quartz]

Fair yeah

In my lib I went with a compose approach using remember

[cerulean ibex]

yeah thats another approach

similar in hackyness imo

u get the advantage of rerendering each time though which can be useful

[abstract osprey]

it’s kotlin, that’s what looks wrong

[pastel imp]

you are a python user, shush

[abstract osprey]

it is useful

for mundane tasks

Uses it recently for some json generation bullshit

[pastel imp]

kotlin is also useful 🙂

[abstract osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/squirt-bottle-squirting-face-funny-gif-16000698

oh for

fuck’s sake

[pastel imp]

arguably, there is no programming language that isn't

[pastel imp]

Fail

[abstract osprey]

😭😭😭😭

blame funnycube

[abstract osprey]

oh absolutely

[pastel imp]

that was god punishing you for disliking kotlin

[abstract osprey]

They all suck in their own way, and they are all good in their own way

[pastel imp]

😌

[abstract osprey]

I just like hating on

[prisma wave]

kotlin hate in 2025 😴

[abstract osprey]

kotlin

:P

[prisma wave]

i alone dictate when things can be hated on

[pastel imp]

https://tenor.com/qmBaViLqGcw.gif

[abstract osprey]

wha

[prisma wave]

we should be shaming yaml users

[pastel imp]

Unless you agree we can always hate on spigot and 1.8 users

[abstract osprey]

how the fuck are you sending gifs

[pastel imp]

then I agree

[pastel imp]

simply better bro

[prisma wave]

u just have to be tier 2+

[pastel imp]

I use kotlin

[prisma wave]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-hi-greetings-blue-dog-dog-gif-2417290452781605410

[abstract osprey]

crap

[pastel imp]

that's why

xD

[abstract osprey]

man

okay only

[pastel imp]

I also agree on that statement

[abstract osprey]

like 3 or 4 more levels

[pastel imp]

if you add spigot and 1.8

perfect combo

we shall hate spigot, 1.8 and yaml users

[prisma wave]

hating spigot isnt really worth the energy imo

[pastel imp]

no need to spend energy on it

it's the spirit that counts!

[abstract osprey]

everybody knows spigot is ass

well

actually

[prisma wave]

if you mean for development

[abstract osprey]

hold on

[prisma wave]

it's fine

[pastel imp]

tell that to @ionic gust cough

[prisma wave]

it's missing some nice paper qol but it still works fine

[abstract osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/348681414260293635/1296191315947683933/image.png?ex=678ff3bb&is=678ea23b&hm=8e2d508f213f8a57d67ace7898cbc66ac550ccb6fd10eadec2d2abd9e989f504&

man

just click on it

[prisma wave]

thats a virus

[abstract osprey]

I can’t upload photos

[prisma wave]

ok thats kind of funny

[abstract osprey]

:/

[prisma wave]

the minecraft civil war

mid vs mid

[abstract osprey]

LOL

we had a good laugh when we say that appear

[pastel imp]

I swear I am gonna support spigot on my plugins

just so that I can disable the plugin and send that message

[abstract osprey]

why

[pastel imp]

lmao

[abstract osprey]

LOL

[pastel imp]

if I make it paper only, it will send the default exception :/

[abstract osprey]

recursively remove the world folder if booting on spigot

[pastel imp]

even better

"Spigot was detected... switching server jar to paper"

restarts server

[prisma wave]

it's kind of funny like even if you think paper is worse theres no way you're winning this war

might as well just take the L

[pastel imp]

funniest part is the guy sounds just like a spigot 1.8 fan boy that loves backwards compatibility

I dreamt of paper's hard fork

now I dream about the first game breaking api change

[oblique heath]

breh

[pastel imp]

gonna be so satisfying seeing a huge wave of spigot plugins suddenly stop working

[prisma wave]

what is this measuring

[oblique heath]

search ads on desktop cost like 10x that of mobile

[oblique heath]

this is my ad performance

[prisma wave]

i feel like theyll keep backwards compatibility for ages

[pastel imp]

what types of ads do you do lol

[oblique heath]

impression percentage by device, as well as clicks and how much i paid

[pastel imp]

I don't think so

[oblique heath]

ads for my baby saas

[prisma wave]

theres no reason to remove a bunch of methods

or whatever

[oblique heath]

https://fakemultiplayer.com

[prisma wave]

it doesnt really achieve anything

[oblique heath]

apparently people in india and pakistan are interested in this

[prisma wave]

why are you advertising something that you cant sign up for

[oblique heath]

marketing emails

[prisma wave]

i see

[pastel imp]

this yours?

[oblique heath]

yes

[pastel imp]

gib me 10 bobux and I do a new design for the website

[oblique heath]

tempting

i'd pay 10 bobux for a cool logo

[brazen ether]

take my money.

[pastel imp]

shit I am no logo guy

[oblique heath]

anyways i ended up spending $40 on essentially nothing because the site does not convert well on desktop

because of how bad it looks there

however i now know better

i do get conversions on mobile

and it is also a lot lot lot cheaper

so thats the plan

[ionic gust]

in regards to posting on spigot or compiling against spigot 💀

[abstract osprey]

against

well

both

[pastel imp]

both

[pastel imp]

is it essentially a spoofer?

[oblique heath]

wdym by spoofer

[pastel imp]

idk, read this rq and it looked like a spoofer

lol

[oblique heath]

🤔

whats a spoofer

[pastel imp]

you spoof player counts, aka put fake players in your server and make it do fake interactions to make the server look active

[oblique heath]

ah i see

no yeah thats pretty accurate

it doesnt directly spoof but this is meant to make bots as not obvious as possible

maybe not very ethical but people already do it so i figure may as well try and make monies off it

[abstract osprey]

basically what many spoofers do

integrate with AI, make them say random shit

to make them more

‘real’

[brazen ether]

ai would cost money to operate

[abstract osprey]

well

yeah true

[oblique heath]

true

[brazen ether]

true

[abstract osprey]

some advanced ones use AI *

cough

[oblique heath]

ai is going to be one of my offerings

[prisma wave]

instinctively it's unethical but also i cant think of an actually compelling argument for why it's bad

[brazen ether]

sneeze

[pastel imp]

not if you train your own

[abstract osprey]

Bless you

[ocean quartz]

AI

[pastel imp]

misleading players

[prisma wave]

reminds me of westworld "if you can't tell the difference, does it matter?"

[brazen ether]

electricity bills for running LLM

[prisma wave]

why is that a problem?

[pastel imp]

you don't need an extremely good one for it

[prisma wave]

if the player gets a fun experience

[brazen ether]

if they're still having fun it's not that bad, maybe like

simulating peer pressure to purchase things?

[ionic gust]

spigot site gets me a lot of downloads!!!! + it has reviews!
compiling against spigot (this is just my plugins):

[oblique heath]

in my mind this is also not meant to be a permanent solution for games

[brazen ether]

but like again it's kinda on the player

[ionic gust]

those 40 servers would be lost!

[oblique heath]

its more to just pick up slack for low pop games

[pastel imp]

good

[prisma wave]

that would be a problem but i dont think thats necessarily happening

[ionic gust]

WOW

[oblique heath]

you can read the "why?" section on the site for my thoughts on it

[brazen ether]

tbf it also depends on your server. in some types of gamemodes it makes perfect sense to have bots

[pastel imp]

show the mc version chart

let us know how many 1.8 servers would be lost

[prisma wave]

yeah like all the .io games are only playable because of bots

[pastel imp]

so that I can say "good" again

[abstract osprey]

Hopefully devs will make the right decision and move to paper support only

[oblique heath]

yeah paper.io is probably the best example

[prisma wave]

https://img.bristermitten.me/I5Tx03BimDik
no it's not