dev-general

[oblique heath]

a user could feasibly put /reload afonsoplugin as a command

[pastel imp]

But for that to work, they would have to reload it once at least

For it to update

Or have access to the files of the server

[oblique heath]

no they would willingly set that up themselves

because it saved them effort

[pastel imp]

That is why I am not letting them set commands like I said before

[oblique heath]

what?

your entire service is letting server owners set commands to be run

??

[pastel imp]

No

[oblique heath]

did i misunderstand this entire time

[pastel imp]

Maybe? Idk

I am bad at expressing myself

Lol

[oblique heath]

🤔

[pastel imp]

Agyer

After*

[oblique heath]

like from our long talk, i understood that a server owner would be able to automate command runs using your service

[pastel imp]

.

[oblique heath]

uesh

yeah

that doesnt make a difference here because this isnt "any" command

this is a command server owners would add intentionally, by themselves

is my point

maybe thats not a huge issue because only skill issue server owners would be vulnerable

but its still definitely something that could be used to nitpick your service

[pastel imp]

Well, let me restate the idea with the new changes.

MC plugin will be constantly sending data to the webserver, it will be analysed and if needed, it will react by sending an action to be executed by the mc plugin. This action, is not a command, it will be predefined actions. For example, ban X player, which will be sent to the mc plugin and it will ban that player. But in the settings, they can also configure if they want to use a builtin ban system or if they prefer litebans or whatever else. (This was why I initially wanted to let them set commands, to allow them to use whatever plugin they wanted but most plugins have an api for it, and I could also just make a way to hook into the mc plugin api for custom plugins to also work)

[half harness]

You could just have like a long string as an auth key

Simple ez auth

Maybe not the safest tho

Lol

Wait ivan

[oblique heath]

ok

[half harness]

Radioscanner had auth right

Or like security

[oblique heath]

yeah

it uses rsa keys as its auth

without knowing the correct key you would not be able to send data that can be interpreted

man i havent touched that project in forever

[pastel imp]

Tbf I think the issue is solved, right? Since they won't be able to set commands nor can I personally execute comma ds, it's a W?

[oblique heath]

yeah i think you're good

get crackin

[pastel imp]

Not yet

Was just planning some stuff

But before I start the project, I need to focus on studying for my exam next month

Lol

That'a priority now

(Fking hate maths)

[oblique heath]

psh

[cinder flare]

Redis

polling

[cinder flare]

if it's ALWAYS right after the plugin sends data to the webserver, it could just be part of the HTTP response

sorry i read that kinda piecemeal, but those are the things you should look into as a best bet

Redis if you control both sides, Polling if it has to happen at random times, and HTTP response if it can only happen after data has been sent

[gusty glen]

Nailed it, star, but we also had the option to use WebSocket instead of pooling for random times

[cinder flare]

oh yeah websocket can be good, just has a lot more serverside resources to manage in terms of keeping connections alive and stuff

polling is probably easier for most usecases and scales better

[pastel imp]

did you read the whole thing? lol

[pastel imp]

what's polling?

Also, yes, http requests are on the table, my concern is the amount of requests I could potentially get.

[cinder flare]

#dev-general message lol

[cinder flare]

Just continually sending http requests asking if you should do something, every minute or so should be plenty and scale very well

If you have less than like a few thousand customers, you could probably bump the frequency up if that matters

[pastel imp]

Hmm I see, thanks a lot!

[wind patio]

ah yes, polling

[oblique heath]

polling want a cracker

[wind patio]

"you done yet?"
"no"
"how about now"
"no"
"maybe now?"
"yes"

[dim trout]

Why is Barry broke

[sweet cipher]

Probably because he doesn’t get paid

[cold prawn]

I have a world that i wanna restrict access to only a couple hours a day, anyone got any ideas to do it without mega fuss?

[cinder flare]

is this like, a multiverse setup? or like a proxy setup?

[cold prawn]

multiverse

[cinder flare]

do you control how people swap between them? or do they just have permissions to do the commands anywhere

[cold prawn]

gonna be a dm menu

[cinder flare]

oh then what's the problem

[cold prawn]

well im not really sure how to do the multiple states well in dm, but thats a diff issue

[cinder flare]

just do a condition if the time is between x and y

[cold prawn]

more so is there a permissions context for example for time?

cause that mostly

[cinder flare]

i wouldn't do a permission context for time

[cold prawn]

also when it runs out of time ppl should be sent back

[cinder flare]

oh do you have a scheduler of some kind?

[cold prawn]

so just menu with button that only shows if in time and it sends from server?

[cinder flare]

yea

[cold prawn]

i have schegules on ptero if that works

[cinder flare]

yes that would work

[cold prawn]

unless u mean some plugin

[cinder flare]

just do a command that moves everybody in that world

and set it to pterodactyl schedule whenever you want

[cold prawn]

is there a command like that?

[cinder flare]

not sure for multiverse honestly

[cold prawn]

ah, well either way i feel like for that its worth to create a plugin tbh

to handle like countdowns and warnings etc

[cinder flare]

oh nah

[cold prawn]

ofc could do with schegules but plugin seems easier no?

[cinder flare]

just broadcast a message like 15/10/5 minutes before in ptero

that's literally what my server network does for scheduled restarts

[cold prawn]

Probably is the better option, just me wanting to run away from cronjobs :)

but yea ill give that a go

[cinder flare]

looks likle you can mvtp <player> <world>

[cinder flare]

they're like the most reliable way to schedule anything lol

[cold prawn]

well id need every player that is in that world

[cinder flare]

it's built into your operating system

yeah not sure about like wildcards

but i mean it'd be trivial to make a command that just does that if you want to go down the plugin route

[cold prawn]

well reasoning mostly was to send them to the players just in that world yknow

[cinder flare]

i mean i feel like everyone might want to know

if they want to go there last second or whatever

[cold prawn]

but yea will probs just add console only cmd for broadcasting per world and tp

[cinder flare]

yea

[cold prawn]

well the idea is that we have 2 resource worlds and one has mega resource buffs but has pvp on and is only on for a couple of hours

but writing that to explain why the broadcast should be only in the world kind made me realize it shouldnt :)

[pastel imp]

I am still confused if this is a custom plugin or not

[cold prawn]

which part

[pastel imp]

I guess not?

no cause we are in #dev-general lol

[cold prawn]

ah

[pastel imp]

hence my confusion

[cold prawn]

it could be, thats why asked here

[pastel imp]

thought it was a plugin

well yeah, you can do a plugin that handles all that

[cold prawn]

#minecraft seems bloated, and not really looking for a use plugin X

[pastel imp]

sure

[pastel imp]

#general-plugins is usually used for non-coding stuff

but it's fine I guess

[cold prawn]

ill try cronjob, for timings and then a couple custom commands

[pastel imp]

should work

[cold prawn]

@cinder flare big thanks

[pastel imp]

MyCommands is also quite extensive and custom

if I recall correctly

can give it a try too if ya want

[cold prawn]

Ill see, looks very extensive, probably at that point would just do my custom plugin implementation

[dim trout]

guys

[brazen ether]

guys

https://nohello.com

[oblique heath]

"Hello" in Chat.

[brazen ether]

varying resolutions for shulkers

0.1 block resolution on the left and 0.25 on the right

[brazen ether]

@timid gate Are you using Stable Player Display for those animations?

[brazen ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OPsH8PK7xM&ab_channel=Polylog

[timid gate]

Modelengine atm until I find something tbat works with optifine shader packs

[static zealot]

Does anyone know if NetCup has a service that allows upgrading from one generation of RS to another? Or do I have to email them for that?

[pastel imp]

https://helpcenter.netcup.com/en/wiki/general/instance-upgrade ?

[static zealot]

Found their FAQ page. It is impossible to upgrade from older generations (9) to newer ones (11). Fortunately I don't have that much on it so it shouldn't be that hard to migrate it manually.

Source: https://helpcenter.netcup.com/en/faq

[bronze olive]

How can i create custom enchants in 1.21?

[tacit briar]

Which skyblock plugin do you recommend i use for now?

[brazen ether]

you'll get BETTER answers to questions like this in #minecraft or like literally any of the non dev channels

[foggy pond]

Is having all my plugins for my network be in the same gradle project, each being a separate module make sense?

Since right now they are all separate projects

I was thinking of having libs.version.toml for the whole project, that way all my plugins can easily be on the same Minecraft/Paper version with less effort

Plus if I am working on separate plugins at the same time I can just do that in the same project window yk

Not sure if anyone's tried that yet, it sounds neat on paper tho

[distant sun]

Why not

[half harness]

I feel like at that point you could just have 1 big plugin

and separate features by packages

or I guess it might be harder to migrate rather than just new modules

[foggy pond]

I think this way I'd have the positives of multiple plugins and the positives of having one big project

[half harness]

note that you'd still have one plugin.yml and one main class

[foggy pond]

Wdym

[half harness]

oh wait

[foggy pond]

Nah

[half harness]

ohhh I see what you mean

yeah

[foggy pond]

The main issue would be having one massive repository with everything

But at the same time that's not necessarily that bad

I kinda hated having 10 repositories on GitHub all for these plugins

[wind patio]

personally I have a single intellij project with multiple plugins myself, each one is considered a module, though they are built individually.
one is a "core" plugin, other plugins handle stuff like discord integration, worldguard additions, rest api
the modules depend on the core plugin which handles most of the dependency (like vault api) stuff

and yeah, its a single repo

it was really annoying having to open a new intellij window each time I needed to modify other plugins

[foggy pond]

Yeah alright cool glad to see it's a common approach

[foggy pond]

having a brain fart: where is the name of the built jar defined in a paper gradle project?

[cobalt elbow]

Hi everyone. i need one litle help. I need get player biome using placeholder API, but return this result

- "Biome: %player biome%"

result: Biome: FROZEN_RIVER```

Just need change format of result to

```text
Biome: Frozen River```

[cold prawn]

Could use js :)

but also there are probably expansions for that already out there

[distant sun]

%player_biome_capitalized%

[cold prawn]

or that :D

[cobalt elbow]

i use this. now i just change traduction english to brazilian

[distant sun]

Are you coding a plugin @cobalt elbow?

[cobalt elbow]

no Just Editing

[distant sun]

A plugin or config? If it is a plugin and it uses adventure components, I think you can get the translation key of a biome and do this quicker.

[cobalt elbow]

the option of %player_biome_capitalized%

use placeholder

[pastel imp]

a bit late, this might interest you: https://madelinemiller.dev/blog/large-plugins-vs-small-plugins/

[cold prawn]

Kind of reminded me of a question ive had, this topic.

How performant is mysql for example or any db really, whenever I make plugins i usually try to keep everything in ram mostly cause its easier and ive never really had the need to be able to be server agnostic with the data, but does it matter? Ive always thought that "iN rAM betTeR caUsE no delay", is it though?

all im really asking is if for a average ish plugin with some state manegment should you keep things locally or just use the db as the source of truth for every request

[forest pecan]

depends on a lot of things tbh

like the type of data you are storing, how much of it, how you are going to acess it,.. etc

[oblique heath]

relational dbs are great for a large amount of data with complex relationships

if you're storing a relatively small amount (few Mb to few dozen Mb?) of data, and you dont have to join it or anything, then there isnt much point in using a relational db over a flat file

[oblique heath]

and even once you get to larger amounts or more complex relationships you can use h2 or sqlite as an efficient in memory alternative to a standalone db, becausr you're right that there is a ton of overhead and delay with those

oop wrong reply wtf discord

i'd say only reach for mysql if you are sharing data across multiple applications or if you have an absolutely enormous amount of data / insanely normalized relations that deserve to be offloaded to a different application

[cold prawn]

Yea thats what ive usually done, i have two examlples from recent work.

• A "towny fly" plugin, i ended up using h2 but i did the approach of where the server is the source of truth, so everything is in ram, and once state changes it just serializes to db, and ofc loads from db on startup and serializes on die
• A "stock" like market so i have to keep track of every purchase and sale to calculate price, what i ended up doing was just keeping it in memory and pushing to db every X seconds(was kind of needed so i dont have to nonstop update menus etc)

So for the towny fly i feel like i could had just fetched from db instead of saving in memory, just to be less complex right?

The market thing not really sure though, i used mysql btw, but idk how i would do the batching

@oblique heath What do you think ;)

[cold prawn]

fair enough

[oblique heath]

for the towny fly yeah you could probably use just h2, but i personally always make my own layer of in memory caching for sanity's sake so i could go either way on it

market is kinda the same story as towny, not sure why you would need mysql for that? was it only a single mc server running that?

[cold prawn]

Well the reason we did is cause we have the market prices on our website too

[oblique heath]

ic

[cold prawn]

But yea h2 probably would be fine too

But if id do the market only with db, idk how id do the batching

[oblique heath]

well if the website is pulling from the database separately from the mc server then that's a valid reason for mysql

you cant access h2 or sqlite with multiple applications at once because they're just files

[cold prawn]

Yup

Are there any good abstractions to make the caching logic easier?

[oblique heath]

not that i know of, but its also not too difficult

just throw hashmaps at it until it works

[cold prawn]

yea but gets repetitive rewriting same logic for 5th time :D

[oblique heath]

byeah

idk maybe there is something out there for that

i've never looked into it much

[pastel imp]

Just adding to the convo, imo, you should only cache if you expect to use that data a lot of times or give the player that control (commands for ex. Which they can spam) you can always take the approach of timed caching with something like hibernate, when not present, get from db, otherwise get from cache, cache expires then every 5mins or so.

The difference between this and pushing every 5mins is that you don't cache all the data every 5mins, only after it is required for the first time. This prevents useless caching of unneeded data.

Sorry if I didn't explain correctly btw, kinda late

But yeah, in general, rule is to cache data you expect to use constantly, and fetch directly data that may be needed once in a while.

[eager lodge]

Hi, I'm sorry for the tag. This might be an odd question, but are you selling that stock market plugin or know someone who sells it, I have been looking around for those kinds of plugin, but haven't found anything suitable 😔

[brazen ether]

@timid gate you mentioned you're using ModelEngine for the player animations, does it take the player skin automatically or do you have to hardcode the texture?

that kind of thing is impossible without shaders so im a little curious

[timid gate]

Fully personal preference to use the shader or dummy skin

[cold prawn]

Well I feel like most things in mc can be spammed so, I guess caching is almost always needed with that logic

[cold prawn]

I've made it for just my server so it's very unpolished and it's not reaally a stocks system that's why I put it in quotes it just changes the price based on the ratio of how many items are bought or sold

Cause I don't think a proper system with demand would work well in mc

As most items are just consumables or just junk so they would be worthless bcs of endless supply

[eager lodge]

my idea for the stock market thing is not based on buy vs sell, it's more so on the rate people sell certain items, for example, items that is being sold over and over again will become worthless while other items in that market that's not being sold as much will have an increase in worth, i just haven't figured out the math expression though

[cold prawn]

Yea that would be tough

Also had issues with the expression

But I figured something out 2 years ago and idk how it works but it works

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But yeah my plugin wouldn't fit ur needs

[eager lodge]

i see... that's unfortunate, what does your plugin do though?

[cold prawn]

Well I just have a formula that essentially gets the ratio of bought and sold and alters the price with that

I made it for myself so its mega wonky

The only interface it has is placeholders

So u use the placeholders for each item u create in deluxe menus and then just use a CMD to log how many are bought and sold

Just not user friendly at all

[pastel imp]

#1257956028063027243 and you can get a custom made one lol

[pastel imp]

Most but not all, you can always take the hibernate approach

[eager lodge]

i see, do you store the info on SQLLite?

[eager lodge]

ty for the info

[pastel imp]

I am not him, but i'd assume so, mysql is a bit overkill for this, unless it's shared across servers.

[oblique heath]

he said he does use mysql for this plugin

since the data is also used by a website

[pastel imp]

Oh nice

[cold prawn]

Yup

[eternal hound]

@pastel imp hey are u good?

I have a doubt that maybe u can help.
Do you know a way to display a specific information of placeholderapi in a DiscordBot? (Made with JDA)

[foggy pond]

mine isn't a large plugin though - it's multiple small plugins which are made in the same IntelliJ project

[cobalt elbow]

hi everyone
i need one litle help.

i trying make a resource pack for my minecraft server, and liked this font https://itemsadder.devs.beer/plugin-usage/adding-content/fonts/method-2 but yours download is in png. to add in my resource pack. i need change process or not ?

Or just add png inside folder font, and reload resource pacj ?

[cold prawn]

https://wiki.placeholderapi.com/developers/using-placeholderapi/#setting-placeholders-in-your-plugin

[eternal hound]

yeah but this is how to use in a Plugin, don't in a Discord Bot I think

[cold prawn]

ah assumed u have the bot running inside a plugin

what placeholders do you want to pull?

[eternal hound]

I didnt knew that I can do that hahaha

first experience with bots

The plugin can control the bot and initialize in the "OnEnable" using JDA?

If its that, that's cool and easy to do

[eternal hound]

I want to create a command to show statistics of especified player on a BedWars MiniGame

[cold prawn]

havent done it either

but i assume so

im pretty sure most plugins that have discord integration do that

[cold prawn]

i dont see why u couldnt

[cold prawn]

the bedwards db doesnt have the data?

cause if it does u could just pull from that

and done and dusted

[buoyant basin]

Hi

[eternal hound]

Ty for the information, really

[eternal hound]

Of course, but my client want me to use Placeholder idk why

So I gonna do it

haha

[half harness]

there's also https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/rest-placeholderapi.90266/

[compact perch]

Rest PlaceholderAPI

v1.0.4 by Fredthedoggy
A Rest API to Interface with PlaceholderAPI

Downloads:

366

Rating:

5.0★

Reviews:

8

Requested by: dkim19375

[eternal hound]

Oooh that cool man

[pastel imp]

Yeah just sent it cause maybe you can merge it all

[foggy pond]

is there a flag or something upon starting a paper server, which changes where the plugin data folders are stored? so that I can have a separate folder for the jars (./plugins) and one for the data folders (./plugin-data)

It's not really a dev question so i put it here haha 🥲

[pastel imp]

doubt

[foggy pond]

i mean there is a way to change the directory the worlds are stored in

[pastel imp]

You can always create those folders outside by yourself

[foggy pond]

So maybe I assumed there would be a way for that to happen for data folders too

[pastel imp]

hmm better ask in paper's discord

[foggy pond]

I have, nobody's answered yet for now

[pastel imp]

where did u ask that?

[foggy pond]

paper-help

Just in a bit of a mess rn, since I have to bind the plugins folder to a volume in order to store the config.yml files between sessions

But if I bind the plugins folder, the jars are also stored which makes updating plugins more complicated than it should be

[half harness]

might be able to make like a symlink

[pastel imp]

pretty sure plugins are the ones who decide where to create those folders

but most use the datafolder

so, yeah, if you are able to change that, W.

But might not work for some specific plugins that use a different way

[crude cloud]

uh you should be able to just pass --plugins ./foo/bar in the cmd line

[cinder flare]

does that leave the data dir as /plugins/<name>/?

[crude cloud]

like if you do java -jar paper.jar --nogui --plugins ./real-plugins-folder it will just be there instead, that's where you put the jars and e.g. luckperms' data dir will be ./real-plugins-folder/LuckPerms etc

[cinder flare]

yeah but the point of what they were asking is if you could have the data dir not be a child of the plugins folder

so you could have /plugins/LuckPerms.jar and then /plugin-data/LuckPerms/...

[crude cloud]

oh, uh, in theory it is possible yes

you'd set --plugins to plugin-data and also use --add-plugin for every jar in another folder (so --plugins plugin-data --add-plugin plugins/LuckPerms.jar --add-plugin plugins/WorldEdit.jar etc)

very epic

[cinder flare]

hmm lol

cause yeah, it would actually be really nice for like, immutable Docker images and stuff, if you could have a folder with just the jars that's read-only, and then a separate folder with all the configs and stuff

[pastel imp]

someone gotta PR this to paper ngl

[crude cloud]

open an issue :)

[cinder flare]

while we're talking Paper, I read that with Mojang Mapped servers, this would allow us to hotswap plugins? is that actually a thing you can do now?

[crude cloud]

like, entire plugin jars a la /reload? no

nothing really to do with mojang mappings, hotswapping classes in a dev environment has always been possible with dcevm (currently in the jetbrains-runtime); the fact that the runtime uses mojang mappings makes it much more useful for plugins using internals, but plugins using just the api don't really need that so it is (was) easier

[cinder flare]

i mostly mean this

in the Paper docs

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/dev/internals

[crude cloud]

yeah in dev environments hotswapping classes

because hotswapping isn't really possible when post-compile relocation/remapping has to take place

so, if you were developing with mojang mappings but the server ran reobf, no hotswapping bleh

[cinder flare]

hmm i see

is dcevm supported on newer versions of java? from what i see here, it's 7-11

[crude cloud]

also means that if you shade + relocate stuff you also need to disable the relocations for it to work :^)

[crude cloud]

it's supported in the jetbrains-runtime

which is updated

[cinder flare]

ooh!

[pastel imp]

wait you can test changes without restarting server?

how did I only hear about this now

[limpid ingot]

Looking for MC Network devs for our upcoming Network.

Devs and Marketing Team.

[crude cloud]

#1257956028063027243

[pastel imp]

well pretty sure thats just for requests, don't think team recruitement is allowed

[rotund egret]

I don't think looking for staff has ever been restricted.
Operating as a "service team" iirc had some restrictions though

Oh no I saw it, not for a 'team' but for a predefined project.

So marketing recruitment for the project of marketing your server for X period vs just seeking a marketing team.

Subtle difference

[crude cloud]

xd

[limpid ingot]

My bad guys

[pastel imp]

Any suggestions on how I could do a simple rest api with java? I only need to handle requests, preferably be easy to do api keys, rate limiting and limits of usage. Any suggestions?

[oblique heath]

you can use spark or spring boot

for nice features like those spring boot may be the better choice

[pastel imp]

Yeah thought about those too but thought maybe someone would suggest something else

You never know

[wind patio]

spring prob overkill for "simple"

[wind patio]

javalin

https://javalin.io

very simple

import io.javalin.Javalin;

public class HelloWorld {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        var app = Javalin.create(/*config*/)
            .get("/", ctx -> ctx.result("Hello World"))
            .start(7070);
    }
}

[ocean quartz]

Yeah I think javalin makes a lot more sense here than spring

[pastel imp]

Does it allow all the stuff I said?

I assume also SSL, etc

[wind patio]

uh, probably

if it doesnt have it out of the box you can just write your own impl

you can find how-to do auth here:
https://javalin.io/tutorials/auth-example

theres also a community tutorial for implementation with mc plugin:
https://javalin.io/tutorials/javalin-and-minecraft-servers

[ocean quartz]

Or you can use Kotlin and use Ktor, very simple by default but comes with dozens of extensions to add all sorts of features :)

[wind patio]

and yes it has rate limiting too
https://javalin.io/news/2020/01/01/javalin-3.7.0-released.html

app.get("/") { ctx ->
    RateLimit(ctx).requestPerTimeUnit(5, TimeUnit.MINUTES) // throws if rate limit is exceeded
    ctx.status("Hello, rate-limited World!")
}

[ocean quartz]

Ktor example would be:

embeddedServer(Netty, port = 7070) {
    install(RateLimit) {
        global {rateLimiter(limit = 5, refillPeriod = 60.seconds) }
    }

    routing {
      get("/") {
          call.respondText("Hi")
      }
    }
}.start(wait = true)

[pastel imp]

I assume stuff like monthly limits are not done by that

[ocean quartz]

Can't you do limiting like that through cloudflare instead?

[pastel imp]

It's for a SaaS

Sooo, unsure if using cf is an option

[cinder flare]

javalin or ktor

oh looks like everyone already said that lol

well, I concur!

[crude cloud]

ktor if you're using kotlin
javalin if you're using java

[cinder flare]

all the homies in agreement, it seems

[prisma wave]

personally i would suggest ktor if you're using java and javalin if you're using kotlin

[wind patio]

totally aggree with mitter bristen

[prisma wave]

thank you

[cinder flare]

very bold opinion, can't believe you'd just come here and say that

[prisma wave]

i am based and red pilled

[pastel imp]

I shall use Scala with javalin

[ocean quartz]

Well in that case I recommend using express.js if you're using Kotlin, just toggle js module :))

[prisma wave]

trueeee

[pastel imp]

On a side note, if requests expect data back but also require input data, that is dynamic, is that a get or post request?

[prisma wave]

what do you mean by dynamic input data?

[ocean quartz]

Post if you're sending data, get if you're receiving data

[crude cloud]

gest

[cinder flare]

yeah, POST for like JSON-encoded bodies and stuff

GET for like, listing objects and filtering with URL params or something

or I guess more specifically, POST for editing/creating resources, GET for fetching resources

[ocean quartz]

Unless you wanna go crazy on get and have like a giant list of request params lol

[wintry plinth]

GET - Fetching data
POST - Inserting data
PUT/PATCH - Updating data
DELETE - Deleting data

[rotund egret]

Using GET to delete is prime

[cinder flare]

we have DELETE at home, DELETE at home:

POST 1.1 /object
{
  type: "DELETE"
}

the GraphQL methodology 😌

[distant sun]

the equivalent of using <div> for everything but for back-end

[oblique heath]

https://api.site.com/object/12/delete

[pastel imp]

Means it can be anything (string) that is not stored in a db, or whatever

[prisma wave]

oh I mean that doesn’t matter

it’s still a string

[cinder flare]

i mean, it sounds like you're not doing REST at this point

[prisma wave]

Yeah true

[cinder flare]

so it doesn't super matter, i'd just use POST for the JSON body

[pastel imp]

So, even if I get an input and then give an output it would be GET?

[cinder flare]

is it pure?

or does it change the state of the app

[prisma wave]

yeah if it changes the state it should be POST

Or any others

Not GET at least

[pastel imp]

Wdym

[cinder flare]

as in a pure function

does it affect the state of the application or no

[pastel imp]

Well it receives input, that gets analysed, and depending on the cases it may be stored in a db internally or just be ignored.

[wintry plinth]

You wouldn't send GET, and then return GET. They're called request types not response types.

[cinder flare]

then POST

[prisma wave]

GET isn’t pure either technically 🤓

[cinder flare]

i mean, it should be trivially idempotent

which is basically pure

[wintry plinth]

Imagine you've got an app for storing orders.

You'd GET the list of orders (e.g. /orders), you'd POST to insert an order (e.g. /orders).

You'd PUT/PATCH to update an order (e.g. /orders/1).

You'd DELETE to delete an order (e.g. /orders/1)

[cinder flare]

yeah sadly i don't really think homedog is doing normal REST at this point

[wintry plinth]

Yeah I sense that 😂

[cinder flare]

just seems like they want a POST /metrics/submit endpoint lol

[wintry plinth]

Gonna end up with GET for every endpoint,

GET /orders/1

{
  "type": "delete"
}```

GET /orders/1
```json
{
  "type": "update",
  "data": {
      "xx": "xx"
  }
}```

Afonso what are you even building

[cinder flare]

isn't he making an Analyse clone

i swear we talked about this like weeks ago

[wintry plinth]

haha really

Afonso, if that's true, genuine best wishes for it. But to be transparent, I have already been planning a completely rebuilt Analyse.

Much better than the current version, but wouldn't be out for months probably as I CBA building side projects atm.

[pastel imp]

No lol, not at all, I would only make an analyse clone if I could do it better, charlie has done a great job already.

[cinder flare]

oh wasn't it like player analytics

[pastel imp]

^

[cinder flare]

or am i thinking of someone else

[pastel imp]

We spoke about a similar topic a while ago yes, but it was not for analytics

[cinder flare]

ah yes

i remember now

[pastel imp]

It's that project we spoke in DMs sometimes regarding AI, etc

[wintry plinth]

Ohh that one

[pastel imp]

Yeah, finally after my exams I am gonna make it

Already started testing stuff for it and building the backend

[wintry plinth]

To explain though, like I'd have no issue if you wanted to build your own version of Analyse. I've always said that competition breeds innovation, but I have already been planning a huge overhaul.

I even just bought a beefy dedi 😂 for when I come back from my vacation

On vacation from Monday onwards :D much needed

Beast :D

[pastel imp]

Nha don't worry, I know you are planning big things and I am not too interested in your market since like I said, I only start something if I think I can make it better than already existing alternatives, analyse current and future is already really good, not much I could change.

[wintry plinth]

Oh trust me, theres a lot to change in Analyse 😂 but appreciate the kind words

[pastel imp]

Also, nice, enjoy while you can, deserved!

[pastel imp]

I know, but I also know you know and plan on adressing those

[cinder flare]

Here comes Framer Motion at full speed!

[wintry plinth]

Fuck yeah, going React all the way now 😂

From Vue boi to React

[cinder flare]

another soul lost to the ways of React 😭

[wintry plinth]

I do prefer the dev experience of Vue though

But react charting libraries are so damn sexy

[pastel imp]

Svelte better

[cinder flare]

he wants to go from a good few charting libraries to a ton, not zero lmao

[wintry plinth]

I'm going with a charting library my friends built, https://tremor.so

It's so dang sexy

[cinder flare]

ooh, looks very similar to shadcn

but with much, much more light mode lmao

[wintry plinth]

Funny they launched before shadcn, then shadcn launched their own lately 😂

[wintry plinth]

Light mode >>>

[cinder flare]

wtf bro lol

[wintry plinth]

I code in light mode during the day

So much easier to read

[cinder flare]

yeah and what about night

you like getting flashbanged at 4am?

[wintry plinth]

then it auto goes dark

[rotund egret]

piss mode

[cinder flare]

hmm i don't see no dark mode on this website

[wintry plinth]

they do for some components

[cinder flare]

well, it's always good to have room to grow!

seems like they really want to be more than just a charting library lol

[wintry plinth]

this is my usual flow

i toggle it manually tho

not automatic

(sometimes if ive got a headache I toggle it manually)

[cinder flare]

why is it so small 😭

and no file explorer/tabs? you're a mad man

i'm surprised you don't use like raw neovim with no plugins

[wintry plinth]

Funny I considered it, i just have it all keybinded

[pastel imp]

Feels offended

[wintry plinth]

I'm so used to my keybinds, tried to switch to https://cursor.com but the keybinds are so different

[pastel imp]

Tbh svelte has some coolio chart libs

[wintry plinth]

Mainly wanted to try Cursor for its AI stuff as its apparently really good, but PHPStorm is where I am so productive day to day. Got my custom keybinds setup the way I like

[wintry plinth]

i feel like it gives more room for the code 😂

[wind patio]

personally PUT for me is more of a "set object X at pos Y" whereas PATCH is "update object X field Y to value Z" if that makes sense

[pastel imp]

Claude 3.5 is insane with svelte and react

[wintry plinth]

Yeah I'm prob the same tbh, I get what you mean

PUT is like "override this value" where patch is like "tweak this value"

[wind patio]

yall would be rolling in yer boots if you saw the routes at my current job

99% of them are post and get

[wintry plinth]

Really 😂😂

[wind patio]

its crazy

stuff like POST /delete-by-id/
{ "id": ... }

[pastel imp]

My respect for you just went down

[wintry plinth]

Star, with the font size, I’ll show you a better example when I’m at PC. It looks much nicer when you’ve got lots of database queries, as you can actually see them all.

The huge font makes me scroll lots

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-zen-meditation-gif-13277341

zen mode

[wintry plinth]

I need to consider that

[wind patio]

i tried using that but my abdc usb type c adhd, wont let me (self diagnozed)

[ocean quartz]

Okay I have to ask since most screenshots I see from you are like that, do you actually use your ide/editor like that as just a smaller window? Without maximixing it? :')

[cinder flare]

i mostly mean the window size lol

[ocean quartz]

Yeah!

[cinder flare]

gotta have that shit fullscreen, though i think you might use an ultrawide?

so it would probably be pretty wide

[rotund egret]

DSM-5 nor the ICD-10 recognize whatever you just made up. So not sure of what basis you self-disagnosed yourself with.

[cinder flare]

AC/DC? i love those guys!

[distant sun]

What's the experience with an ultrawide (49'') in games? I'm tempted to get one because I HATE using the laptop's screen, although my main monitor is fine (27'' I think) but could be slightly bigger.

[rotund egret]

Generally games support UW fairly well in my experience, there's a few stinkers out there though

[cinder flare]

i greatly dislike ultrawides, just for the window management aspects of them

i have really loved just having three 27" monitors side by side

[ocean quartz]

I love my 27" ultra wide

Would never get 2 monitors over an ultrawide again

[wintry plinth]

To be truthful, yes - I never maximise it, I genuinely dislike having so much white space.

Even having an ultra wide, I like to not have it crowded

[cinder flare]

uh

i don't think that's what you mean?

or are you joking lol

[cinder flare]

that's wild - and doesn't even look very wide lol

[wintry plinth]

That’s a 40” UW

5k display

I use it for windows and Mac

[cinder flare]

what's the aspect ratio?

[wintry plinth]

5k2k

So crisp 🤤

[rotund egret]

That's kinda smol

[wintry plinth]

I swapped my studio displays for it

[rotund egret]

How big is mine 😮

[cinder flare]

that's not really an aspect ratio 😭

[wintry plinth]

Hang on😂

[rotund egret]

Mines 35" and it looks much wider wowie

[distant sun]

Yeah I don't want two monitor because you either have one in the centre and the other on the side, which is similar to my setup (laptop on the side) and, uh, the other options don't feel very great :)) like having one vertically

[rotund egret]

I think you got height

[cinder flare]

see that's why you gotta get three monitors

[wintry plinth]

Mine looks exactly like the retina displays on MacBooks

So crisp

[cinder flare]

then it's wider than most ultrawides, probably cheaper, and you can have a center one that you can run at higher refresh rate, for instance

[ocean quartz]

My mistake mistaken, it's like the height of a a 27" but it's 34"

[cinder flare]

and all your windowing problems are solved, by Windows™️

[distant sun]

I guess window management can be solved easy with fancy zones from power toys, but for games.. I don't want to play shooters on the entire screen =)) I would be impossible to see the corners

[ocean quartz]

Mine is 34" 21:9 3440x1440p 144hz

[cinder flare]

yeah my biggest thing with ultrawides is that I don't really ever find myself wanting a window to be larger than one screen, or like placed in between two screens

[wintry plinth]

Mines a 40" 5120x2160p 120Hz display, https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/dell-ultrasharp-40-curved-thunderbolt-hub-monitor-u4025qw/apd/210-bmdv/monitors-monitor-accessories

[cinder flare]

so it's just easier and more economical to have three screens, and have most things maximized to one of them at any given time

[wintry plinth]

Its better than the 2x 27" Studio Displays I had

[cinder flare]

i feel like that's not a super high bar to be fair lol

[distant sun]

3 monitors is probably too much 😬

[cinder flare]

nah bro it's perfect

one for discord, one for ide/games, and one for web browser/music/secondary stuff

[wintry plinth]

Good luck finding a 5k resolution panel thats 120hz or more, it was very very hard to find personally

I found many 5k panels but only 60hz

[ocean quartz]

One thing I'll say about having an ultrawide, without windows powertoys' zones it'd be a nightmare

[cinder flare]

i meant being better than the Studio Displays lol

[wintry plinth]

Eh I think the studio displays are hard to beat

which is why it took me so long to move away

[cinder flare]

for the price, definitely not

[distant sun]

how's the 49" ~300 GBP cheaper

[remote goblet]

for me

[cinder flare]

60 Hz

[wintry plinth]

Since going to 120hz, I could never go back to 60

The worst refresh I ever used

[pastel imp]

I prefer having 2 27" monitors

[distant sun]

ah.. I was looking on the right side after freq rate

[wintry plinth]

Even just for coding, 60hz was so bad

[ocean quartz]

Going back to 60hz is grim

[wintry plinth]

yeee

especially as the macbook screen is 120hz, when id use my studio display i hated it

[cinder flare]

that's how I feel about Bloodborne lol, after playing DS1/Elden Ring in 144Hz/infinite FPS, I can't go back to 30 FPS 😭

[wintry plinth]

felt so laggy

[cinder flare]

good thing the emulator progress is going extremely strong right now

won't have to wait too long for it on PC 😤

[distant sun]

what monitors do you have @cinder flare ?

[ocean quartz]

Will get it emulated before fromsoftware decides to port it

[cinder flare]

oh it ain't fromsoft

it's Sony

they're afraid of the money, and likely trying to save something for the PS6

[wintry plinth]

Less messy view

[cinder flare]

three of these bad boys https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07YGZL8XF/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?psc=1

very economical and very nice

[wintry plinth]

All setup with a KVM under the desk too :D

[remote goblet]

https://x.com/shinobi602/status/1826953002109792694

Shinobi602 (@shinobi602) on X

Avowed runs at 30FPS on Xbox Series X|S, confirms Obsidian.

"It’s a first-person, single-player game. You don’t necessarily need that 60 frames[...]that allows us to get a lot juicier with VFX & lighting & all this other stuff".

➡️ https://t.co/f4aliLhbwj

Twitter · Aug 23, 2024, 12:01 PM

[cinder flare]

yeah i gotta admit, the one time I wished I had an ultrawide was when I was using my shitty work assigned laptop that could only do like one external monitor

was very difficult to actually get work done either on the laptop screen or on just a single one of my monitors

[cinder flare]

oh Obsidian, how they've fallen since New Vegas

[pastel imp]

Ngl love the minimalistic approach of your pc, I feel mine has too much rgb

[wintry plinth]

Just realised how old the first pic i sent was

So much was changed

[wintry plinth]

I wanted some rgb without going overboard 😂

[cinder flare]

yeah I had a ton of RGB when I first built my PC, now I have a fully black case with no window and I turn off all the RGB in everything I have except my keyboard lol

[wintry plinth]

https://charliej.com/uses#gaming thats my setup atm

[distant sun]

could you not get a hub or something?

[cinder flare]

the state of the M1 Macbook Air's external connectivity / Apple's driver support for DisplayPort chaining is very poor

[distant sun]

my work laptop has an hdmi and an usb c port, so I guess it could handle 2 monitors

[cinder flare]

I did learn at a later date that you could use a software renderer to have it support three monitors, but by then I had already moved on 😔

[pastel imp]

Nha I like seeing components, but atm it might be too much

Currently not at home but will send a pic once I get home

[cinder flare]

I did purchase this, only to find out it wouldn't work natively with MacOS because Apple drivers are cringe https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086DXLF37/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s00?psc=1

guess i should've looked at the picture lol

[distant sun]

so it can work with 3 monitors but in duplicate mode not extend (or w/e mac calls them)?

[cinder flare]

yea cause macos doesn't do the displayport daisy chaining thing

[distant sun]

rip

Yeah so it looks like 3 x 27" monitors are cheaper than 1 x 49" I'll think about it

[crude cloud]

speaking of multiple monitors

GTA San Andreas crashes when a vehicle explodes and you have multiple monitors

I don't understand how that's even possible

the game is running on its own monitor minding its own thing, then a car explodes and the game just crashes because you have a second monitor like yeah that makes sense

[wintry plinth]

hahah thats mental

I'm iffy with gaming on my UW, dont get me wrong its cool and immersive, but sometimes feels like too much to look at

[distant sun]

@cinder flare what size is your desk btw? In rest-of-the-world unit if you don't mind jk
My monitor is like 62cm wide. Multiplied by 3 that's 186cm, 26cm longer than my desk

[ocean quartz]

My desk is 160x80 which seems to be pretty standard

[wintry plinth]

Same ^ only because i got the same desk as matt 😂

[ocean quartz]

It's a very nice desk ;p

[wintry plinth]

honestly you made such a good recommendation, i love it 😂 i have the height locked though, i dont use it to stand

I moreso use it for having a custom height

[ocean quartz]

I should use it standing more often but yeah being able to find that perfect height is great

[distant sun]

Idk I built mine, I hope it can hold the pressure applied by the monitor arm with 3x6kg monitors on

[ocean quartz]

Do you really want 3 monitors?

What's gonna be on the 3rd one?

[wintry plinth]

yeah I never stand\

[wind patio]

if you cant stand on your desk its not a desk 😎

[crude cloud]

Subway Surfers and Minecraft Parkour

[distant sun]

As I said, I don't like the setup with 2 😬

[ocean quartz]

[crude cloud]

Family Guy Best Clips

[pastel imp]

Fr 2x27" monitors is enough for everything, 3x may be too many

[distant sun]

productivity boost 📉

[wind patio]

📈 you mean

I feel like this is like a 5th time I see people talking about their setups

[distant sun]

I'll start with 2 anyways, my stand has 2 arms

[ocean quartz]

I divide my monitor into 30-70 ratio, left side is basically just discord, sometimes videos when I'm coding, can't think of what I'd do if I had another monitor/division

[distant sun]

isn't the 30 part too small?

[ocean quartz]

It's fine for discord and some videos

[distant sun]

what's the size in px btw

hmm looks fine, yeah

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/chang-paper-small-letters-gif-8177286

[ocean quartz]

But sometimes 40-60 or 50-50 if I really need to pay attention to both

Here are my zones

[wintry plinth]

that last one

[ocean quartz]

Never really use it, just left it there because it's funny

[distant sun]

on my current monitor discord doesn't even fit the screen at 40-60

[wintry plinth]

if i just want to focus i do this, if i need other bits then usually the code stays in the middle, and i put web on the right. Then use my ipad to put youtube (so i dont take up needed space)

[cinder flare]

uh I'm not exactly sure, it's like a dining table thing from Ikea, so it's like a good 7 feet long, 2.5 feet deep

[cinder flare]

Discord/Game or IDE/Web Browser + Spotify + Side Stuff

[cinder flare]

my current monitor setup

[distant sun]

random video, but this man is fun to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW-7lkuD-Cc

[sturdy zinc]

getting this error during mvn compile https://paste.helpch.at/fagixaveyu.csharp

[pastel imp]

@cinder flare @wintry plinth this the rgb I was speaking about

PS: GPU missing, still not yet here

[cinder flare]

phew yeah, way too much for me lol

i want a dark room so as to not be distracted from my monitors

[rotund egret]

Light controller.

[wintry plinth]

Dang yeah that’s too much for me😂

Looks cool tho

[pastel imp]

Yeah looks cool but think its too much for me too

gonna test lowering brightness

[pastel imp]

idk if its noticeable in the pic

but lower brightness

I can imagine it being even better if I put a static color

yup, def. looks way better

well picture looks like hella bright but irl its a really dark and low bright tone

think I am gonna leave it at this

okay me stop now cause me spaming this channel

[wintry plinth]

My setup rn

Light bar is so useful for night time

As I don’t like putting on the big light

[pastel imp]

yeah

[distant sun]

If thats the only light source in your room besides the monitor, uh, my eyes would hurt af

[pastel imp]

yeah

looks hella nice now with dark red and low brightness

like its hardly noticeable since the red isn't really eye catching

[gusty glen]

Dear diary, I've lived long enough to find Emilly's comment on YouTube xd

[crude cloud]

that was today lol

me being a 🤓 online

[lavish notch]

A little late to the game - where'd you get your table top from? I'm looking at replacing mine which I got from Ikea.

[potent nest]

🤓

[distant sun]

@modern yoke this is not the place for ads

[wintry plinth]

FlexiSpot E7 Pro 😎 as per Matt’s recommendation

[lavish notch]

Oh, did you get the table top from Flexispot? I have the E7.

[ocean quartz]

Black walnut top from Flexispot is beautiful, it's the one I got

[wintry plinth]

I have the one-piece unit, and yeah the entire desk is from FlexiSpot

I bought it all upfront

[lavish notch]

I was tempted to get a top from Flexispot however I am unsure how strong the top is... I have this problem with my current IKEA top which is 0.5cm thicker:

(Desktop is warping under my Monitor arm mount)

[ocean quartz]

I've had mine for a year or more now don't remember exactly and so far no noticeable warping anywhere, I also have a monitor arm mount and so far so good

[lavish notch]

Is it a single Monitor arm you have?

[ocean quartz]

Yeah just one for my ultrawide, which is a bit heavy

[tiny gulch]

Hello,
Does anyone know of a way to find out the quality of a code by providing a github link, for example?

[pastel imp]

That is normal lol, that is why ikea is never recommended for arms, they use honeycones inside made of cardboard lol

Good for spread out weight

But arms put too much pressure in a single spot

[lavish notch]

Do you think Flexispot's chipboard will be okay?

[wintry plinth]

I have one heavy 40” ultra wide on a single arm, it’s easily fine

[lavish notch]

Ah, okay

[wind patio]

love the tape

🤣

[lavish notch]

Cheers, that was me getting fed up with the misalignment and gap between my monitors.

[pastel imp]

should be fine yes. I am thinking on getting a flexispot desk myself but I am still not sure how much I would actually use it as a standing desk

[lavish notch]

I sort of got mine for 2 reasons - standing desk was appealing and also my old desk has literally no-where to mount anything.

Hey @ocean quartz, I don't suppose you could send a picture of what your Blackwalnut looks like with your desk legs?

I'm on a back and fourth about which top to get - Flexispot's website is a bit so-so with how it looks.

[ocean quartz]

When I first assembled it

[pastel imp]

on a side note, typical portuguese floor xD

my grandma has the exact same floor style

and my aunt

[lavish notch]

Cheers. I've got white legs so hopefully Blackwalnut doesn't look wierd with it.

[ocean quartz]

I hate the floors over here

[cinder flare]

damn bro i think you dropped half the keys on your keyboard!

no F-keys, no PrintScreen, no Home/End, goddamn

[ocean quartz]

A bit less than half 35% to be exact :)

fn + numbers for f keys, fn + del for print, home is there fn + home for end

[cinder flare]

man and i thought TKL was a little weird

i could never not have some of those keys, mostly the F-keys for gaming

[crude cloud]

my gf has an even smaller keyboard lol

it's absurd

I have a picture somewhere but uhhh I'd need to find it, give it 3 to 5 business days

[ocean quartz]

My current keyboard is even weirder, it's a long boy

But it sounds really good

[cinder flare]

haha wtf lol, is that a 65% plus numpad?

[ocean quartz]

65% + numpad yeah

[cinder flare]

and with like, chinese keycaps?

[ocean quartz]

Japanese

[cinder flare]

do you... know Japanese?

or is it just for the cool factor lol

[ocean quartz]

It just happens to have the symbols, there wasn't a version of this set without it

[cinder flare]

ah okay

[pastel imp]

why? PS: I also dislike them

[ocean quartz]

I got some really cute keycaps that I haven't used yet, it's called cookies and cream

[ocean quartz]

Ugly color, too much reflection, and I just prefer darker floors

I'll probably replace the floor at some point, kinda expensive 😔

[cinder flare]

just put a rug over it, bam

[pastel imp]

xd

[pastel imp]

yeah

only good thing about them is that they cold af which is a W in portugal

countless times I have slept literally on the floor cause it was soo good with the 37 degrees outside at 11pm

[ocean quartz]

Thankfully my apartment is pretty nice in the summer, can go for quite a while without ac on even at like 40C outside,

[inner umbra]

What's the measurements?

[ocean quartz]

160x80

[rotund egret]

Glorious?
What kind of switches

[hoary heron]

I wonder one thing if im allowed to ask this

I know that helpchat is the HQ of all development, paid and free services but im wondering if there are more servers or places like this? I woule be very thankful if someone knew

[lavish notch]

Are you looking to get work or hire people to do work?

[hoary heron]

Honestly, both

But more of to get work

[lavish notch]

Just google the term 'discord service team'.

Also BuiltByBit/McMarket is a site to look at if you're not already familiar with it.

[hoary heron]

Fiverr works too but builtbybit and mcmarket is more of selling already existing art

I'm more of trying to get some paid or free tasks to expand my portfolio, been making stuff for almost a year but not very long as a service

[lavish notch]

There are people who offer commission services on there - a lot of Service Teams also promote their services on there too.

[ocean quartz]

It's a windstudio wind x r2
The switches are gateron blue bubblegum

[rotund egret]

Oh nice
We recently got some similarly styled keyboards. These ones have gateron blues too I think, I forget which exactly

Little more led

[ocean quartz]

Nice one, though I don't like leds that much
Also gateron blues are very different from blue bubblegums

Gateron blues are clicky mine are linear

[hoary heron]

I've actually never seen comission services on there, at least not direct ones but i guess it'd make sense to sell existing stuff and then have comissions in description, thank you!

[rotund egret]

Ah, we like the clicky I ended up going some bronze even clickier ones

Leds are configurable too fwiw

[ocean quartz]

Oh god clickies drive me crazy, my wife had some, it was fun for the first month or so then they become so annoying

[rotund egret]

I used to sleep to blues before I even owned a mechanical.
I love it

[slate elk]

I mean

If Its wooden

And nót any stone materiał

Its so good

Będs r scam

Our body prefers to sleep on hard surface

[pastel imp]

my bed is hard xD

well ofc not solid hard, but it is hard

for the price it costed I better hope it is good for my health

[pastel imp]

[ERROR] Failed to execute goal org.bytedeco:javacpp:1.5.8:build (run-javacpp-compiler) on project jfasttext: Execution run-javacpp-compiler of goal org.bytedeco:javacpp:1.5.8:build failed: Process exited with an error: 2 -> [Help 1] any ideas why this happening?... I literally have cl.exe installed and working lol

I am trying to compile an old maven project that uses javacpp, and it requires cl.exe installed, which I do, but it does not want to compile

lol

[pastel imp]

I am almost giving up on this

[crude cloud]

it probably isn't on your PATH?

iirc on windows you have to use this weird ass "Visual Studio Developer Command Prompt"

which is just cmd but with crap added to env and path

then cd to the project and build with maven

[pastel imp]

well I did exactly that, didnt work

[pastel imp]

C:\Central\IdeaProjects\Forks\JFastText\target\classes\com\github\jfasttext\jniFastTextWrapper.cpp(60): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'windows.h': No such file or directory
jnijavacpp.cpp
C:\Central\IdeaProjects\Forks\JFastText\target\classes\jnijavacpp.cpp(60): fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'windows.h': No such file or directory
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] BUILD FAILURE
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time:  3.297 s
[INFO] Finished at: 2024-08-26T14:49:55+02:00
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ERROR] Failed to execute goal org.bytedeco:javacpp:1.5.8:build (run-javacpp-compiler) on project jfasttext: Execution run-javacpp-compiler of goal org.bytedeco:javacpp:1.5.8:build failed: Process exited with an error: 2 -> [Help 1]
[ERROR]
[ERROR] To see the full stack trace of the errors, re-run Maven with the -e switch.
[ERROR] Re-run Maven using the -X switch to enable full debug logging.
[ERROR]
[ERROR] For more information about the errors and possible solutions, please read the following articles:
[ERROR] [Help 1] http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/PluginExecutionException

[crude cloud]

through a VS Developer terminal?

[pastel imp]

yes

[crude cloud]

no clue then, i don't use vs toolset lol

[pastel imp]

me neither, I just need to god damn compile this lol

GH action on the project have jars

but according to the author those were compiled only for linux

and I am on windows, and I need the windows version since I want to test the library for a school project

but oh welp

[cinder flare]

WSL?

[pastel imp]

thing is, then I would have to compile all projects done with that library in linux lol

which is not ideal

[cinder flare]

doesn't sound too bad

[pastel imp]

well it sounds a bit worse than it should since I will be compiling the project several times, changing code, testing and running it.

All that in linux, something I am not used to, does not sound that nice

[cinder flare]

what is there even to do lol

as soon as you get it setup, everything should work the same as Windows

You can open files in IntelliJ or whatever that are on the WSL drive no problem

[pastel imp]

I think I got it working

[tropic whale]

Any mc server dev here? who can help me

[glad fiber]

what specifically do you need

[tropic whale]

um basically i can't break any blocks in my mc server i have operator

[vague jasper]

I keep turning on normal mode in server.propeties and even via command but it just doesn’t work. Makes it peaceful again. That happens to anyone else?

[sly sonnet]

do you save the server.properties file?

do you have any plugins that could change it ?

[dull sigil]

Anyone know any good Minecraft server [paper] fork developers who might have commissions open?

[pastel imp]

question is why

[dull sigil]

to make a really high performance [open source] fork of paper for my gsp

to compete with like universespigot

[pastel imp]

pufferfish is a thing lol

[pastel imp]

and universespigot is a scam

[dull sigil]

yes ik

[dull sigil]

I've heard its good but yeah it does kind of seem like one

[pastel imp]

doubt anyone is willing to reinvent the wheel, paper is already performant, and pufferfish is even more.

[dull sigil]

it'd be based on paper ideally, to rival pufferfish

[pastel imp]

Eh, I think forks shouldn't be a thing

at that point, simply PR to paper

lol

or pufferfish

why add an extra unneeded fork when you can just PR to one already existing

[ocean quartz]

Imagine not just making your own custom server implementation 😔

[pastel imp]

feels like a whole JS Frameworks dilema again

hundreds of js frameworks are born every week

xD

[pastel imp]

Minestom my beloved

[dull sigil]

lol

[dull sigil]

bump

[ocean quartz]

#1257956028063027243

[dull sigil]

Oh thanks

[pastel imp]

Anyone knows an NPC library that is packet based and has a way to do pathfinding?

[forest pecan]

doesnt citizens do this

[pastel imp]

don't think they are fully packet based

[brazen ether]

how else do they spawn the player entities then

[forest pecan]

yeah u need packets to spawn em

[brazen ether]

ya

[pastel imp]

Hmm okay

Either way server could not handle too many npcs

Will check this later on

I am really interested in minestom

[nocturne apex]

@pastel imp do ya have knowledge w Gradle?

[rotund egret]

I love gradle

[wintry plinth]

Gradle >

[pastel imp]

In what sense are you asking that? I do use gradle everywhere, but I am no expert, know the basics

Gonna expand my gradle knowledge while learning minestom and kotlin

[nocturne apex]

OMG

u back?

[nocturne apex]

oh well its regarding publishing

I basically always have to add those exclusions

when am importing my lib

and I cannot find a way to filter those out

[wintry plinth]

Still away on vacation, but after taking a break for a couple weeks, I am gonna start working on something big

As soon as I’m back

[nocturne apex]

👀

[pastel imp]

Oh that in gradle?

Groovy or kotlin?

[rotund egret]

That's maven

[nocturne apex]

kotlin

[nocturne apex]

ye the project that am importing it in is using maven

however the project that is being deployed is gradle

plugins {
    `maven-publish`
}

val maven_username: String by rootProject.extra
val maven_password: String by rootProject.extra

val nmsVersion = "1.0.25"

group = "gg.aquatic.aquaticseries"

repositories {
    mavenCentral()
    maven {
        url = uri("https://repo.nekroplex.com/releases")
    }
}

dependencies {
    implementation(project(":aquatic-lib"))
    implementation(project(":core"))
    compileOnly("org.spigotmc:spigot-api:1.16.5-R0.1-SNAPSHOT")
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_17_1:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_18_2:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_19_4:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_20_1:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_20_4:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_20_6:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_21:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
    implementation("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_21_1:$nmsVersion") {
        exclude("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms", "AquaticNMS")
    }
}

kotlin {
    jvmToolchain(17)
}

tasks {
    build {
        dependsOn(shadowJar)
    }

    compileJava {
        options.encoding = Charsets.UTF_8.name()
        options.release.set(17)
    }

    javadoc {
        options.encoding = Charsets.UTF_8.name()
    }

    processResources {
        filteringCharset = Charsets.UTF_8.name()
    }
}

tasks.withType<com.github.jengelman.gradle.plugins.shadow.tasks.ShadowJar> {
    archiveFileName.set("AquaticLib-${project.version}.jar")
    archiveClassifier.set("all")
    dependencies {
        include(project(":spigot"))
        include(project(":paper"))
        include(project(":core"))
        include(project(":aquatic-lib"))
        include(dependency("com.jeff-media:custom-block-data:2.2.2"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_17_1"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_18_2"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_19_4"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_20_1"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_20_4"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_20_6"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_21"))
        include(dependency("gg.aquatic.aquaticseries.nms:NMS_v1_21_1"))
    }
}

publishing {
    repositories {
        maven {
            name = "aquaticRepository"
            url = uri("https://repo.nekroplex.com/releases")
            credentials {
                username = maven_username
                password = maven_password
            }
            authentication {
                create<BasicAuthentication>("basic")
            }
        }
    }
    publications {
        create<MavenPublication>("maven") {
            groupId = "gg.aquatic.aquaticseries"
            artifactId = "aquaticlib-17"
            version = "${project.version}"
            from(components["java"])
        }
    }
}

Ive tried to search it on the internet, but could not find the solution tbh

[pastel imp]

It is with the exclude, which you seem to already use

Mobile view scuffed though

[ocean quartz]

implementation - adds the dependency to the jar, aka needed at all times (aka will be shaded), but doesn't show up on other projects
api - same as implementation but shows up
compileOnly - only needed for compilation, will not show up and will not be shaded to the jar

If you are setting it as implementation that means you want it to be added to whoever uses your lib

[nocturne apex]

ye but like uhm

oh I may got what I got wrong

bcs what is currently happening is that

it gets dependencies from the children

I need to have it shaded, it needs to be compiled in the plugins that are using the lib

[ocean quartz]

This might help a bit more:

Lib:
  implementation(dep-a)
  compileOnly(dep-b)

A project using "Lib":
  implementation(Lib):
    dep-a // this came from Lib automatically but dep-b doesn't come

So anything you are needing to exclude you should set as compileOnly
If it's coming from other dependencies make sure to exclude from those if they are implementation

[nocturne apex]

well but thats the thing

I actually need to have all included

I have it shaded, etc.

but it keeps trying to find the dependencies in repos

even tho the deps are being shaded

thats the thing

[ocean quartz]

When you publish it doesn't shade anything

you can publish fat jar but it's not normal

[nocturne apex]

wait so you basically have to import all sub modules?

when you wanna use the lib

[ocean quartz]

Yes

[nocturne apex]

freak

Ive got like 15 modules

[ocean quartz]

For example, I added the lib ktor-client-cio, all the others are transitive dependencies

That is the normal way to go about it, let's say your user doesn't want to have for example from that list ktor-network, they can exclude it themselves

[nocturne apex]

ye but uh

the lib requires the modules to actually work

for example there are NMS implementations

then Lib core, etc.

which basically needs to be compiled then

[ocean quartz]

Yeah, you'd still let it publish it separately

[nocturne apex]

ffs

[ocean quartz]

But like I said, you can shade it to publish, it's just odd to do it

[nocturne apex]

ye thats what am doing now

thats why am actually excluding it

xD

bcs its a fat jar

and it is trying to find the deps on repo

[pastel imp]

if your concern is jar size, why not use something like the paper loader's thing

[nocturne apex]

am coding spigot plugins

[distant sun]

Here's a suggestion: don't

[nocturne apex]

[rotund egret]

Real actually

[pastel imp]

skill issue

no one even uses spigot nowadays

[nocturne apex]

you have to

on spigotmc

[pastel imp]

sounds like skill issue on supporting hostile platforms like spigotmc

[ocean quartz]

If some non hostile platforms supported premium resources I'm sure a lot would move but hey

[wind patio]

hol up ima open up a platform

so yall can sell whatever you want

[forest pecan]

Not a big fan of runtime dependency in general

But if you are going to sell plugins in general do so on polymart and builtbybit

[half harness]

haven't read context but you can have spigot download maven central libraries on runtime

for a reduction in the jar size

[nocturne apex]

it is my library

we have been solving some issues with deployment

[half harness]

is it on maven central?

or I guess probably not if you said that

[nocturne apex]

custom repo

[foggy pond]

I've just discovered reflection and annotations, oh my god they are SO good

I can see how they can break things and how they are defo not for beginners

But gawd damn does it make making dynamic APIs a breeze

[distant sun]

https://www.codingame.com/contests/fall-challenge-2024

[slate elk]

Drives for Mac?

Drivers

[manic girder]

can anyone help me make a few textures into a texture pack

[pastel imp]

I only help people that don't spam ✨

[brazen ether]

what the fuck is this?

what does this do

[crude cloud]

it checks if the chunkMap contains the key key2
if it does, it gets the chunk for the key key2 and puts a "toAdd" and "shulker" in it
then it will put a new chunk for the key key2, overriding the previous one, but also with the variables "toAdd" and "shulker"

[brazen ether]

so consecutive {} {} {} just all get executed?

i have never seen this used anywhere

[crude cloud]

assuming that's java, yeah, you can have standalone code blocks

it's nice sometimes but very rarely justified to use

[pastel imp]

Th never seen that

[potent nest]

You never noticed

But {} is just a statement

That’s why if (…) {} and if (…); both work

[ancient junco]

It's taken from C, like sir well said {} is a statement (that is made out of multiple statements) more clear if it's on a new line, can be useful if u want to create a new scope for local vars (that won't be accessible from outside

[slate elk]

How much people here charge for 2 page website ?

[wintry plinth]

Depends on what’s needed, but $2,500+ usually

[wind patio]

I can do for 50€

[distant sun]

I don't do web stuff, but 2500??

[wintry plinth]

Welcome to the real world, I know in the Minecraft scene $2,500 is deemed “a lot”. But when dealing with real life businesses it’s usually $10-50k for a website

Because again, it comes down to what value you can bring to the table. It isn’t just “code a website” and call it a day.

Design, SEO experience, responsiveness etc all come into it. Plus portfolio of previous things too

[wind patio]

nah bro i just chatgpt it and call it a day

AI replacing devs

we are useless

[summer linden]

I hope that does not happen

[wind patio]

people publishing their websites on localhost

[wintry plinth]

Check my website out bro http://localhost:3000

[wind patio]

anyways, 2.5 is a lot for 2 page web, especially if its static
and I don't think if someone is looking for something simple actually needs a SEO, insane crazy ui/ux and what not

but I get your point

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, I will say there’s more than just a price like you’ve just mentioned. More context is often needed

[wind patio]

if its a company offering such services (website creation), then yeah, a lot of people work on it, designers, UI/UX specialists, front end (and maybe back) devs, then yeah, the price makes sense, everyone is technically selling their experience and everyone needs to get paid

but yeah, really depends on the actual scope and what is needed for the client

[wintry plinth]

Personally from my own experience companies don’t really care how many people are involved, a solo dev or multiple members, at the end of the day that company wants a result at the end.

They’d happily spend $5-10k even on a 1-2 pager, if it means there gonna make a ROI on their return.

But this could be just from my own experience doing web dev, I charge a lot because I also give a lot. I’ll toot my own horn but I put a lot into the design, I’m quite good with SEO, etc

[wind patio]

yup, everyone has the right to value their own work and experience just the way they want, that being said it might not bring too many clients if its very expensive, but to each their own

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, which is why I massively agree here

Lotta context to each thing

[wind patio]

two pages could also be a personalized grafana like dashboard pulling data from various sources and an ability to add new ones and what not 😄

[wintry plinth]

😂 that’s true actually

It’s like recently I hired a professional logo guy + designer for a full Figma design, both ended up at a good few thousand each, but I’m paying them for their experience and craftsmanship.

I could prob get it cheaper elsewhere but they wouldn’t have the same talent

[ocean quartz]

For most people in the mc community they'd be a lot better off just getting a template and modifying to their liking

[slate elk]

2500

U nuts Dudę ?

[slate elk]

Even if crazy UI

Its nót more then 50€

I can get YouTube replica

Or facebook less

2 static Pages dont take more then a hour to mąkę

[prisma wave]

bro

[slate elk]

Dudę he thinks he can mąkę elon musk gains

[slate elk]

Nót too

200€ usually

I already checked

He just drops number from his imagination

Shop websites r 200€ which r way more complex then 2 page websites

And with admin sperate website

To change items in store

[prisma wave]

source?

[crude cloud]

chatgpt

[slate elk]

Sec I’ll find

It’s Russian company

[agile galleon]

💀

[slate elk]

There nothing wrong with it

There also Indians and Philippines

Who offer cheap service it’s pretty simple to make a website let’s be honest

[agile galleon]

Lower cost employees = lower cost stuff

[slate elk]

So wrong

Tesla proved it

Lower cost better performance and quality

Some people just charge unreal price

Those are the idiots who went to uni just for money and not because it’s their hobby or talent

Expensive doesn’t mean good

[prisma wave]

lol

[slate elk]

So if guy thinks he can charge 2500$ as minimum for 2 page website he is insane it’s something chatGPT can do in 3min and many other companies offer u premade temple for 15$

[nocturne apex]

I wouldnt say TEsla is great quality o-o

[ocean quartz]

Nor low cost

[slate elk]

It’s good for it’s price comparing to competition

[nocturne apex]

I dont really think so tbh

[prisma wave]

thats a terrible comparison man

[slate elk]

What do u drive ?

[prisma wave]

if someone wanted a template website they would use a template

[nocturne apex]

Porsche

[prisma wave]

people pay because they want something custom

[slate elk]

A car that u usually don’t buy due expensive service 😭

[nocturne apex]

depends tbh

[slate elk]

I have BMW

[nocturne apex]

well am nearby Germany

[slate elk]

And my Beamer service is way cheaper then the cheapest porcshe

Service