dev-general

[inner umbra]

Not really comparing... they both have sperate use cases. The use case I'm speaking about however corresponds to both.

I really don't like the structure of sql anyways.

[rotund egret]

2mb being too big is crazy, you on a floppy disk?

Also Mongo if you're using json already tbqh

I'm not sure how your use case is both relational and non relational, but I trust you know better

690 kb is too much?
Jesus floppy disk won't come out of the pc and can't afford another huh?

[wind patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1022823465868329001/1022893276619079701/8DFF1CF4-037C-4E01-85FE-BEDFDA074079.gif

[inner umbra]

2mb being too big is crazy, you on a floppy disk?
Never posted a resource on spigot huh?

[ocean quartz]

Can't Spigot go up to 4.5MB? 2 is nothing

[inner umbra]

Last I checked its limited to 2mb

If it has changed let me know.

[remote goblet]

i remember it being 4.5mb

[ocean quartz]

Just uploaded a 2.8MB as a test and it worked, I believe it has been 4.5MB for years

[inner umbra]

Oh nice.
That works for my plugins then lol. Not for base java though.

[rotund egret]

Apparently you didn't either lmao

[rotund egret]

Base java?
You pack them the same way

[inner umbra]

As in not a plugin.

[rotund egret]

Ok?

Actually nvm, if you're not problem solving I'm not wrenching answers out

[inner umbra]

I think you were misunderstanding the conversation anyways.
To clarify though I was saying like just a normal jar not a spigot plugin.

[rotund egret]

Yeah no shit

[twilit sparrow]

https://imgbin.com/png/nNvQg9bf/minecraft-pocket-edition-3d-rendering-3d-computer-graphics-png anyone got an Idea where i can find more 3d renders like these (royalty free)

[brazen ether]

make your own

[humble prism]

https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP wouldnt this work

130 kb

[inner umbra]

It would but read 11 messages ago

[humble prism]

ah

[crude cloud]

that's not a driver

you still need a driver for whatever engine you're running, hikaricp is a condom that wraps the driver

[rotund egret]

They only need floppy disk sizes for their regular jar now

[twilit sparrow]

im not a 3d artist

im not an artist at all for that matter

[rotund egret]

Sheesh that's crazy must be hard work

[twilit sparrow]

My bad i chose a different career path?

[brazen ether]

it ain't that hard to model a minecraft skin

probably one of the most braindead things imaginable

download blender

look up 10 minute youtube tutorial

render

done

[twilit sparrow]

Could say the same things about minecraft plugins and yet theres people paying me half their rent

[brazen ether]

that's not really that much at all

and in this case, moving around a rig in blender isn't that difficult

[rotund egret]

Can't cook either I see 😦

[twilit sparrow]

#1246323112178487306 message @barren ledge that kinda aint possible

[twilit sparrow]

i can cook

[barren ledge]

It is

[twilit sparrow]

wdum it is no it isnt

not with a plugin

that would either be a custom texture pack with custom items or a mod

[barren ledge]

I asked a another user and he said it is not impossible but he can't do it

[twilit sparrow]

plugins dont posess the ability to add new resources to the game

[twilit sparrow]

then hes stupid

[barren ledge]

Do you know how use cpm

To

[twilit sparrow]

cost per mile?

no clue what that abbreviation is

@barren ledge maybe you are mistaking plugins with mods

[barren ledge]

Wrong server
Abd that is Customizable Player Models

And

Also can you make a plugin that adds tails horns and ears

Or onky on mods

Only

[twilit sparrow]

you can do that with resourcepacks

not with plugins

take a look at hypixel skyblock

thats about the most you can do with just plugins

[barren ledge]

How with resource packs

[twilit sparrow]

you can make so called „server resourcepacks“ that get downloaded when you join a server

there you can change textures or add new textures to existing things

for example you could make different stone varients

or horns if you please

but they would essentially just be other items with a new texture

[barren ledge]

I dont think that would work i made some resource packs

[twilit sparrow]

yes it would

this is my job you can believe me xd

[barren ledge]

Can you make me please

Idk how

[twilit sparrow]

theres countless tutorials online

[barren ledge]

Okay

[twilit sparrow]

https://youtu.be/LiUZICbS9OE?si=PwkUkjzhJPTXpRBl

[barren ledge]

Ik how to do that

I have one installed

[twilit sparrow]

the what exactly is your question

[barren ledge]

U said u can add horns and tails to resource packs

[twilit sparrow]

yh

take a random item and turn it into horns

and put it on someones head

[barren ledge]

Like a pumkin

[twilit sparrow]

u can use any block

all of them can go on heads with commands/plugins

[barren ledge]

How

[twilit sparrow]

you

set it as their helmet

lol

p.getInventory().setHelmet(itemstack);

[barren ledge]

And the tail

[twilit sparrow]

the same way

u could also modify the player model itself

[barren ledge]

Idk yet i am not that skilled

[twilit sparrow]

im sure u can find existing trxtures and models for that online

otherwise

tutorials

[inner umbra]

JDK-22```java
public class RunTest implements Runnable {
@Override
public void run() {
System.out.println("Ran...");
}
}

public static void main(String[] args) {
Thread.startVirtualThread(new RunTest());
}

[prisma wave]

virtual threads are daemon threads i believe, i.e. the jvm won't wait for them to complete

[inner umbra]

So if I want it to wait for them I should join?

[prisma wave]

yeah

[inner umbra]

👍

[oblique heath]

but there is also a setDaemon method for a regular thread

weird that they would do both and also name them differently 😔

[potent nest]

what

vthreads are always daemon threads, platform threads only when configured as such

[prisma wave]

Yeah they’re different things

[sour bone]

he got hacked, not sure what yall want to do with him

[stark niche]

Yooo you have same profile effect as me!

[sour bone]

haha yep thought it looked cool I don't play val though

[stark niche]

Same

[rotund egret]

meatballs

[obtuse gale]

Why did this stop working after adding requiremenets and left click commands

[ocean quartz]

Wrong channel #general-plugins is what you want

[obtuse gale]

sorry

[ocean quartz]

No worries

[sour bone]

maybe I'll click it next time 💀

[rotund egret]

Discord has both a block and report feature 😮

[opaque willow]

anyone wanna help me with mineresetlite? Plugin itself works fine, but when i try to create a mine it says internal error occurred.
My worldedit is up to date and on my version

[potent nest]

for starters you could share your logs

[opaque willow]

Only crucial thing i found is this

[15:26:11 WARN]: Legacy plugin MineResetLite v$version$ does not specify an api-version.

[potent nest]

you still didn't share your logs

[opaque willow]

I figured it out.

Sorry

But my next question I would like to know if there is a way to disable players pvp with just a command?

like /pvp

[tawdry monolith]

If you have deluxecombat try /togglepvp all

[woeful flame]

Is there any good and secure way to hide the username and password in a spigot plugin? As we give the username and password to the database when using JDBC to connect to a database? I know hardcoding it into the code is not very nice, and anyone can access the database. The plugin is required to read and write in my database, so I can't even let people configure it via the config.yml. I heard about some Java script restful endpoints, but I'm not really familiar with Java script.

[rotund egret]

Why can't they use a config...?

Oh like it's a singular non configurable database?

[cinder flare]

Yeah sounds like you need some kind of API backend to cover this database

[woeful flame]

yea the plugin is required to connect to my database, not the one they define in the config 🤷‍♂️

[woeful flame]

rip... Seems like i gotta figure out something lmfao

[safe crescent]

@torn birch you disiliked in #showcase , i just wanna know is there anything i can improve on? or add onto?

sorry if i seem like pestering

[lament crescent]

How can i make my items adder furniture
so that normal player cannot break it. only players with a specific perm can break

[torn birch]

Its not minecraft style, I think too detailed models ruin the concept most of the time

[safe crescent]

hm i see

what part is specifically too detailed, the cap badge or the beret

[torn birch]

Hmm the beret

Its probably better to have a cube tilted or something

But the badge is hard because it needs detail to be recognizable

[opaque willow]

Anyone know why I can't open enderchests?
It's not worldguard, because it doesnt say anything

[ivory crow]

Whats a good design website/software for websites? I'm looking for one thats free and lets you download files.

[oblique heath]

html 😏

jk um i think figma is the popular one, not sure if it is free

[ocean quartz]

Figma is free yeah

[crude cloud]

me resisting the urge to say figma balls

[sly sonnet]

Ahahhah

[flint wagon]

Hey guys, someone know if there is any event (minigame) plugin for 1.20 servers? Like few events that starts at a specific time of the day and everyone can join for rewards. (Spleef, tnt run etc etc)

[ocean quartz]

Prolly a better question for #general-plugins or #minecraft even

[flint wagon]

yeah my bad

[opaque willow]

How to fix "invalid player id"? some people cannot join on my server

[oblique heath]

are you using bungee (incorrectly)?

[brazen ether]

#showcase message damn I was abouta hate cause COC but shits actually cool asf

[brazen ether]

AI is gonna replace developers, the AI:

[wind patio]

funny how it "realizes" the word has 2 r's

when in reality it's basically just repeating what you said

[brazen ether]

it's like a human but much stupider because it literally cannot do anything except autocomplete words

really awesome how we've poured trillions in this technology

[inner umbra]

"Glorified autocorrect" is all GPT is lol

[brazen ether]

yes

[stark niche]

ai is smarter than most of the people

[brazen ether]

nope

only if you define "smartness" as something completely devoid of thinking

AI can't even count to 3

[brazen ether]

.

[stark niche]

Gabe can't count to 3 too

[brazen ether]

most special needs people could probably do logic exercises better than a gpt

[rotund egret]

hahaha most funny joke thats a decade old

Managed to store the Entities UUID on the player for retrieval, so it works as a select system effectively yeehaw

[wind patio]

what now

isnt it just target.getPersistentDataContainer().set(<some-foo-namespaced-key>, PersistentDataType.STRING, "bar")?

[rotund egret]

That looks like shit, I'm implementing this in Sponge though, so no.

player.offer(key,UUID) :^)

[wind patio]

when something looks like shit, you make a method
SomeWeirdUtilClass.set(player, "key", "val")

[rotund egret]

uhh okay?

Happier not having to I guess

[wind patio]

me when I have to do something extra that takes like 10 seconds -> 😠

[rotund egret]

I don't know why you're being hostile, I'm not using bukkit so it's kinda moot?

[wind patio]

nah it's all good

I just haven't had my coffee yet

[inner umbra]

Sips Green Zero Sugar Monster Energy Drink

[rotund egret]

https://imgur.com/43BYFVH
It's coming along 🥺

[remote goblet]

thats so swaggy

[brazen ether]

util class???? not a Singleton??? father OOP would crumble

[wind patio]

singleton my ass

(sorry)

[oblique heath]

ngl util classes are based

[crude cloud]

what if
hear me out
everything was a util class

no data

just methods

functions, even

[cinder flare]

but then where does the data go 😭

[crude cloud]

data?

where we're going we don't need data

https://tenor.com/view/spaceship-back-to-the-future-bye-gif-3453892

[safe crescent]

ai will be to programmers what the calculators were to mathematicians

thats just my way of looking at it

tho tbh if ai does replace someones job the business should be responsible with paying that worker money to help them live for a bit whilst they find new work

and be forced to pay like an ai tax

[brazen ether]

mf just go with FP then 😭

[brazen ether]

this is a good analogy

AI will help with boilerplate and repetitive tasks

[safe crescent]

2 pings

[elder smelt]

anyone know someone who’s good at recording videos of a minecraft server for tiktoks?
Like a showcase of my smp
But in a tiktok video?

[forest pecan]

#1246323112178487306 #1246323105719124028

[brazen ether]

I misread your message and accidentally called you a dumbass

then promptly deleted that

[safe crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/ongezellig-maya-ok-gif-18574323

no embeds 😭

[brazen ether]

https://tenor.com/view/ongezellig-maya-ok-gif-18574323

[safe crescent]

ty

[brazen ether]

embed fail

[safe crescent]

:(

[brazen ether]

begone

[safe crescent]

no

[pastel imp]

am I the only one with this issue?

I try relogin but it does not work

[rotund egret]

Someone didn't hear about the security issue!

[rotund egret]

https://blog.jetbrains.com/security/2024/06/updates-for-security-issue-affecting-intellij-based-ides-2023-1-and-github-plugin/

[pastel imp]

I already updated lol

I will just restart

[crude cloud]

it isn't just about updating lol

did you even read the blog post?

[pastel imp]

yeah I already got it working

[inner umbra]

Can you read the current line from BufferedWriter?
I'm trying to see if the current line is blank but can't find a way to check it.

[potent nest]

it's a Writer, not a reader

[inner umbra]

Also a ... "buffer" lol
Was hoping I could just do lastLine() or something.

[potent nest]

yeah and the buffer might be empty without any knowledge what the previous line was

[pastel imp]

https://fancyanalytics.net/docs/java-api.html @wintry plinth someone beat you to it! (bstats alternative)

[wintry plinth]

It looks awesome, I typically follow Apples mentality - “we don’t do it first, but we do it best”

It’s on the agenda but a lot of things happening

[pastel imp]

I wouldn't expect less from the biggest apple fanboy on earth 😎

[wintry plinth]

Haha, I wouldn’t say biggest! I only have a very selective choice of products. I am just a big believer that being “first” in something isn’t always the best of ideas.

Wait until others validate it, see what works and doesn’t. Then go in and execute harder and better

[agile galleon]

Why can I build my project from the command line, but when using the reload button within IntelliJ, this happens?

[half harness]

try print with stacktrace
maybe something's locking the file or smth

¯_(ツ)_/¯

did you try restarting IJ?

[pastel imp]

Funnily enough, that is exactly how I most of the times work and where I am better. I suck at creating something new... Now, improving something is my area xD

[agile galleon]

even tried to invalidate caches

[pastel imp]

for instance, my "secret" project indirectly is improving already exiting tools while it also has some new things tbf

[half harness]

hmm
try restarting machine?
and/or deleting the gradle caches folder

[wintry plinth]

Aha, for me it’s more so about an idea being validated. I wouldn’t ever want to build something that nobody else has done before, often it can mean someone else has tried and failed at that idea.

Instead I always prefer to wait for others to build something, and then build the “best” alternative to it

[pastel imp]

Fair enough, that makes me question the whole project now 😂 thanks

[wintry plinth]

Only just saw this, yeah it’s a better idea to improve and adapt. Find what customers report and find issue with etc

[rotund egret]

I loved when apple improved on the C connector by making it less accessible, truely the best version

[pastel imp]

I suppose, I did make a survey that got around 30 responses and most seem to have a similar issue.

[wintry plinth]

Oh that’s superb, well done 🥳

[brazen ether]

that moment where it is actually useful to create an AbstractProviderFactory

[wind patio]

dont you just love apple

they are so quirky

[kindred hatch]

Smh @wintry plinth knows that that title belongs to me

[pastel imp]

sus, btw gian you own an mc server right?

[wintry plinth]

Yes defo, these days I have only the laptop, phone, headphones and monitor.

Aside from that you have everything else

[kindred hatch]

Yeah

[kindred hatch]

😉

[agile galleon]

Tried all that

[agile galleon]

@desert horizon How did you fix this https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/issues/9765

[pastel imp]

why tf does gradle act like a bitch

having issues with it now too

lol

[agile galleon]

It's not Gradle afaik

because it works in the CLI

[pastel imp]

for me it seems to be

[agile galleon]

it's just IJ messing w me

[desert horizon]

Iirc did I shade Configurate in

[agile galleon]

I am shading it though

What version are you using?

I'm still on the 2 year old 4.1.2

Which is the latest

[desert horizon]

Don't ask me

[pastel imp]

Caused by: java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported class file major version 65 I swear I changed everything to java 21 already...

fking bitch

[agile galleon]

I literally have the same error

[pastel imp]

I swear I am gonna kill someone

[agile galleon]

I HAVE A FIX

yeeeeeeeeeeees

just upgrade to gradle 8.8

[pastel imp]

bruh

gonna try that but I think 8.8 will break some stuff on my build.gradle lol

love gradle 8.8

💀

works on 8.5 but not in 8.8, does not specify what's wrong just says it can't be created

like

[agile galleon]

update your plugins bruh

[pastel imp]

tf

I did

jokes on you

even with 8.8, still getting the same issue 😭

issue only happens when I use the shadowjar task

🤔

It appears to be a problem with FancyHolograms api?

[cerulean ibex]

probably cuz shadow doesnt support java like 21+ or smth

[cerulean ibex]

you probably need to relocate snakeyaml

[agile galleon]

no way

[cerulean ibex]

?

whyd you ask?

@pastel imp use this https://plugins.gradle.org/plugin/io.github.goooler.shadow

[pastel imp]

yeah worked, thanks a ton

any reason why there is a fork of it?

lol

[onyx loom]

original plugin is going to be discontinued

see https://github.com/johnrengelman/shadow/issues/908

[ocean quartz]

Did anything ever happen to moving it to the gradle org? I know they mentioned a possibility of that happening

[woeful flame]

😭 i literally have the same issue it randomly occurs for no actual reason

[crude cloud]

"They're working on it"™️

[tired meadow]

@lone viperyou need developer

[crude cloud]

lol

[pastel imp]

lol

[tawdry monolith]

Hi guys

Is someone willing to make me an free plugin

It's just a plugin which sends some action bar upon typing some command

[static zealot]

There's already plugins that let you do that. Two I can think of right now are MyCommands and DeluxeCommands.

Also, if that's not good enough for you, you can ask in #1246323112178487306

Removed message since it is a duplicate of one in #1007620980627230730

[tired meadow]

@knotty steeple You need beta tester?

[pastel imp]

I am getting pissed at FancyHolograms' API

fking hell

tried everything but nothing updates the holograms.... (trying to move an hologram programatically)

[wind patio]

idk its open-sourced if it's not working modify the code to work

[pastel imp]

that does no help lol, I need to specifically use the exact public version

can't just go an modify whatever I want lol

[rotund egret]

Use display entities, super easy to move :^)

[pastel imp]

can anyone quickly explain how papi expansions work? IE how papi loads external jars without the need for them to be a plugin. Is it with reflection or...?

[inner umbra]

Essentially yeah. Can also read how spigot loads plugins.

[pastel imp]

that seems way more complex than papi itself and I am already confused with papi so... xD

[inner umbra]

Just to get an idea.

Basically you just run the expansions "main" method.

For example spigot runs the onEnable method. (As well as others but yeah)

[rotund egret]

Java programs when they have an entrypoint 🤯

[cinder flare]

look up Classloader API

then yeah it just scans for classes that implement PlaceholderExpansion or whatever and loads em

[rotund egret]

Event filters are super dope

[somber tulip]

How did you do that? Is that something that’s found in the api or is it custom?

[rotund egret]

SpongeAPI provides it for their events

[somber tulip]

Oh that’s awesome wow

[rotund egret]

Yeah I've used Root and First for awhile, but Has and Supports are pretty dope too.

https://docs.spongepowered.org/stable/en/plugin/event/filters.html A couple others though. Very nice feature

[wind patio]

anyone here familiar with apache pulsar? When I restart Spring application, unconsumed messages from topic X all go to retry topic. Is this normal behavior?

[fierce ember]

Hello anyone knows thier way around vulcan? i need help optimising it

[potent nest]

you mean Vulkan?

[half harness]

probably vulcan

if it's vulcan then probably ask in their discord

or ig #general-plugins

[placid rose]

Just saying most recent request in #1246323105719124028 is a scammer

Offered me 150$ for a project then blocked me when I was close to finishing

[stark niche]

why would someone request a project and then block you? It's so dumb

[static zealot]

Hello. You can always report scams either by DMing @compact perch or by using the /report command. Thanks

[pastel imp]

the 5$ guy?

if he went from 5 to 150

quite obvious scam

lol

[placid rose]

I suspect its because he found out I am from Israel

[placid rose]

it was a few month ago

[pastel imp]

understandable nowadays then, several people cease speaking to israeli

same goes the other way ofc

[placid rose]

So its justified?

[pastel imp]

justified? Eh not really ethically

Is what israel is doing in palestine justified? I don't think we need to go deeper into the conversation

[placid rose]

To waste someone's time and resources just because you don't like what his country is doing?

[pastel imp]

this is not a political server anyways

[placid rose]

I didn't start this debate

[pastel imp]

it's his choice after all

[placid rose]

Just saying that this guy isn't reliable

[pastel imp]

Yeah totally fair

as Blitz said, you can just dm barry and provide proof

and it will be handled

[placid rose]

This is discord, not politics

[placid rose]

okie

I already reported him in the past

[pastel imp]

in theory yes, but nowadays politics are everywhere, specially the when a war is involved, not much we can do about it

[placid rose]

I really wonder which side you support..

[remote goblet]

i appear to have a doppleganger

[placid rose]

I see discord as a neutral place where no controversial topics or politcal discussion should be raised, especially in a minecraft server

[remote goblet]

whatever reason they did it is quite irrelevant to be honest in this case

unless there was malpractice on your end which wasn't involved dont know

[ocean quartz]

Report them to @compact perch then

[remote goblet]

the actual answer to their request is super simple

/paper dumplisteners is a wonderful command

[pastel imp]

what side I support does not really matter lol, I just want justice to happen, that's all

[pastel imp]

fr, I feel like the most probable case is that he asked for such a high price, the person thought it was a joke, and went with the joke and then this happened

If it indeed was for that exact request, the other guy should probably report him then, asking 150 bucks for something like what was asked is hella scam

[remote goblet]

i feel like the actual probable case is that they said 150 and someone was like yo you're charging like way too much for this lolxd

[pastel imp]

I mean, we don't know if the actual request was the one in #1246323105719124028

[remote goblet]

yeah thats true

[pastel imp]

if it was, and he actually asked for 150 bucks, then tbh hella deserved

lmao

[remote goblet]

although that dude has a super strange bio

[pastel imp]

the other Ori or the request guy?

[remote goblet]

request guy

[wind patio]

💀

chop em off

dev general arrrghhh!!!

[pastel imp]

wth

[placid rose]

It was a bigger plugin

He wanted a full gem plugins, designed and fully custom

It wasn't a joke at first he really needed it

[placid rose]

like a blissSMP replica

I sold it to some other studio after he abandoned me but I was still lost overall

[rotund egret]

RIP

[safe crescent]

hava nagila my friend 🇮🇱 🙏

anyways, plugin devs i wanna know to what extent are boats codeable in 1.19.4 paper mc

im not an experienced plugin developer in any way nor do i understand minecrafts limits so im sort of hoping to hire someone to make me a plugin that can take custom modelled boats from blockbench and put them in my server

i just gotta know how doable is it

[pastel imp]

doable

[safe crescent]

ah ok

[pastel imp]

just like helicopters

and planes

works in a similar way

[safe crescent]

is it possible to like have it so if the player is in the boat theres like a way they can control boat weaponry

[pastel imp]

questionable

I mean, tanks exist

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/✈️vehicles-no-resourcepacks-needed.12446/

does smt like that

sadly not open sourced

[safe crescent]

ah i see

[pastel imp]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/mtvehicles-vehicle-plugin-free-downloadable.80910/ is open sourced

[safe crescent]

ah i see

ill have a look

ty

[rotund egret]

Empty vehicle

[ocean quartz]

Wrote my own language highlighter and it turned out pretty well, will parse the string and spit out html ready to be formated, here is an example

Just realized the for loop on the kotlin example is wrong

[pastel imp]

very nice

was probably a fun project

I assume

xD

[ocean quartz]

Quite fun if you ignore some annoying cases, for example trying to differentiate between function and keyword, and stuff like that, I just made it validate after parsing, if both tokens are present take only the higher priority, which in this case would be a keyword

It's not very complex, but it doesn't need to since it's just for small documentation

[pastel imp]

how did you code it?

vanilla js or what?

[ocean quartz]

Kotlin :)

[pastel imp]

why am I not surprised

xD

[ocean quartz]

Though that is not live highlights, I mean I could compile it to Kotlin Js if I needed it to be live, but in this case the html is created when the markdown is parsed and then stored and served when needed so no js bundle or anything at all needed on the browser side

[crude cloud]

vanilla js 💀☠️ ⚰️ 👻

[sturdy zinc]

is there a way to get world name without UUID

[crude cloud]

huh

[sturdy zinc]

after I hit enter it didn' tmake sense, but then I said it it does

what I think I need to do is to use a constructor

[half harness]

I say this like every time but u gotta be more specific

Bukkit.getWorlds().get(0).getName()

that's how you get world name without UUID but I'm not sure if that's what you meant

[sturdy zinc]

yes, but thats hard for me if I'm not sure what I want

thanks testing now, hope that fixed it

it did not return a world

[half harness]

hmm
can you show more code? or if the code isn't really relevant than maybe lets backtrack a bit and can you explain more of the issue

[crude cloud]

I'm pretty sure getWorlds will give you the worlds

[half harness]

well that too 🥲

[half harness]

but i feel like its also an xy case (or at least a case needing more info ^)

[sturdy zinc]

I think the issues is where I'm attempting to get the world

[crude cloud]

do you have an error? a stack trace? code to share?

[sturdy zinc]

https://paste.helpch.at/ovewuboner.kotlin

yes and Bentobox says it's from a null world

[half harness]

what does the uuid represent?

in each of the methods

is it the player's uuid?

[sturdy zinc]

yes

[half harness]

can you show the code of BentoBoxHook?

[sturdy zinc]

https://paste.helpch.at/zihaxixitu.java

I think a getter is what I need to use

[half harness]

line 32 - getOwner - is this not erroring?

https://github.com/BentoBoxWorld/BentoBox/blob/develop/src/main/java/world/bentobox/bentobox/managers/IslandsManager.java
it doesn't seem to exist

also I don't really know much about your plugin - but the world that you need is whatever world the bento box islands are located, not what I said on line 12 of BentoBoxLevelRequirement

so I can't really give a direct solution for that

[sturdy zinc]

that works as long as I name my world Bentoboxhook like this private String islandWorld = "askyblock";

[half harness]

yeah

as long as it's always named askyblock

not sure if that's what you want though - to have the world name hardcoded

[oblique heath]

may i propose

Bukkit.getWorlds().stream().anyMatch(e -> e.getName().equals("name"));

[sturdy zinc]

that was temp code to make it work, I never really firgure out how to make it work for what ever others name their world

[half harness]

isn't there a Bukkit.getWorld(...)

🥲

[oblique heath]

idk

[half harness]

that depends on the structure of your plugin

are you the developer?

are you armar?

👀

genuine question btw

[oblique heath]

oh wait you want to get the world name ic

[sturdy zinc]

yes, took over from Starrtvin and the codes is crazy to understand, I have fixed some but other sections I have ignored due to I break it when I try to fix it

[half harness]

oh so you're not the original developer

that makes things a bit more difficult

[sturdy zinc]

armar was the first coder

[half harness]

is there like a config option?

[sturdy zinc]

yes, very difficult

[half harness]

oh wow you responded quickly
config option to config the world name?

if so, you'll have to use that to get the world name instead of what is currently there (in the paste)

but I can't give the exact code for that since I don't know how the plugin is structured

[sturdy zinc]

String.valueOf(Bukkit.getWorlds().stream().anyMatch(e -> e.getName().equals("name"))); this has not errors in code I will see if Spigot likes it

[half harness]

noooooo

spigot will not like that

I can guarentee you

I know spigot's tastes

[sturdy zinc]

ok, back to a test I was thinking about

if I was to get the world name and I have the UUID this should work right String.valueOf(Bukkit.getWorld(uuid))

[half harness]

never do String.valueOf on the world

or toString

use getName()

but

no that won't work because you told me that the uuid is the player uuid

[sturdy zinc]

        String islandWorld = Bukkit.getWorld(uuid).getName();
        UUID owner = BentoBox.getInstance().getIslandsManager().getOwner(world, uuid);
        return owner == null ? null : BentoBox.getInstance().getAddonsManager().getAddonByName("Level").map((l) -> {
            return ((Level)l).getIslandLevel(world, uuid);
        }).orElse(1L);
    }```

then use in the other class

[half harness]

String islandWorld = Bukkit.getWorld(uuid).getName();
```this line can be removed

it again uses the player uuid instead of the world uuid and the variable is never used

sometimes it can help to rename the parameter

to like playerUUID

[sturdy zinc]

I thought I could get world info from player UUID, guess I was wrong

[half harness]

wait I didn't really look much into the code until now

what is getIslandLevel supposed to do?

is that something in BentoBox?

[sturdy zinc]

retrn a number

yes

[half harness]

from?

wait

no im dumb

[sturdy zinc]

that code the developer of Bentobox helped me a year or so ago

[half harness]

yeah sorry I misread the code

whoops
does getOwner not error tho?

[sturdy zinc]

a addon in Bentobox called level

which is island level in skyblock, acid world one block, etc

[half harness]

👍 I see - https://github.com/BentoBoxWorld/Level

[sturdy zinc]

yes

[half harness]

anyways I think this message + the 2 messages below are the primary things u should look at

we need to know where to get this world name

besides checking every world

[sturdy zinc]

I need to know the current world player is in and I think this may work public Long getIslandLevel(World world, UUID uuid) { String islandWorld = world.getName(); UUID owner = BentoBox.getInstance().getIslandsManager().getOwner(world, uuid); return owner == null ? null : BentoBox.getInstance().getAddonsManager().getAddonByName("Level").map((l) -> { return ((Level)l).getIslandLevel(world, uuid); }).orElse(1L); }

it does return a string of current world name

nope, still getting name from who knows where

[inner umbra]

Does HashMap no longer support null values? More specifically ConcurrentHashMap

[rotund egret]

https://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/api/java/util/concurrent/ConcurrentHashMap.html

[inner umbra]

It does not 🤦

[potent nest]

CHM never did

[inner umbra]

Yeah, just assumed it did cause HashMap does. I can just work around it.

[prisma wave]

For future reference (and being a little pedantic), major breaking changes in the jdk like this are basically never going to happen so “no longer supported” is almost never the case hehe

[ocean quartz]

In what situation would you want a null value instead of just not having anything in the map?
Genuine question btw, don't think I have ever encountered a situation where I needed null values before

[wind patio]

well there may be scenarios where you need to explicitly indicate that the key exists but has no value

or initializing the keys for the map but they have no values yet

[oblique heath]

Optional moment

[inner umbra]

In what situation would you want a null value instead of just not having anything in the map?
In my case I didn't want to make a second variable to "finalize" my changing variable.
I didn't want it to be linked to the object (or current class) or static either.

[rotund egret]

Optionals are great, I wish kotlin had better support for them, feels easier to use null.

Which ordinarily wouldn't matter so much, but when the api uses optional, converting to nulls for easier handling feels silly

[distant sun]

What do you mean by better support?

[half harness]

kotlin doesn't really have anything to use Optional over nullable

I'm not really sure what it could have though

[crude cloud]

it could have a rice cooker

[rotund egret]

Elvis operator for none would be cool

Or empty I guess is what it is in java

Nullable ?: action
Optional ?: action

Or the ? Operator if it is empty

I could probably write extensions for it, wouldn't be the same operator, but that's aside the point

But most apis don't use optional a lot that I've seen, so outside of sponge I'm not sure of it's actual scope of use

[wind patio]

so is Optional a monad or not???!

[brazen ether]

a monad is a monoid in a category of endofunctors

[rotund egret]

@prisma wave can elaborate if it fits the technical definition probably, but it AFAIK It is a monad yeah

[crude cloud]

The concept of whether Optional is a monad can be a bit nuanced, but generally speaking, in the context of Java and functional programming, Optional is considered to be a monad.

What is a Monad?

A monad, in a programming context, is a design pattern that allows for a way to handle computations in a sequential manner. It must satisfy three core properties:

1. Unit (or return): There must be a way to wrap a value in the monad. For Optional, this is the Optional.of or Optional.ofNullable method.

2. Bind (or flatMap): There must be a way to chain computations on the monad. For Optional, this is the flatMap method.

3. Associativity: The order in which monadic operations are applied should not matter.

How Optional Fits the Monad Pattern

1. Unit (Optional.of and Optional.ofNullable): These methods allow you to wrap a value into an Optional.

   Optional<String> opt = Optional.of("Hello");
   

2. Bind (flatMap): This method allows you to apply a function that returns an Optional and flatten the result.

   Optional<String> opt = Optional.of("Hello")
                                  .flatMap(s -> Optional.of(s.toUpperCase()));
   

3. Associativity: The chaining of flatMap operations should follow the associative property, meaning the grouping of operations does not affect the final result.

Example

Here’s a simple example demonstrating these principles:

Optional<Integer> opt = Optional.of(2)
                                .flatMap(x -> Optional.of(x * 2))
                                .flatMap(x -> Optional.of(x + 3));
System.out.println(opt); // Optional[7]

In this example, Optional is used to chain computations where each step returns another Optional.

Conclusion

Yes, Optional can be considered a monad in Java. It provides the necessary methods (of, ofNullable, flatMap) to meet the criteria of a monad, and it allows for functional-style operations on potentially absent values. However, it's important to note that while Optional fits the monadic pattern, Java itself does not formally define it as a monad in the way languages like Haskell do.

[rotund egret]

Thanks AI emily

[half harness]

oh no

has Emily turned into a 🤖

[civic cairn]

for some usecases optionals are really convenient

but at some, you just hate yourself because you chose to use them instead of simple nulls

user.clan().flatMap(clan -> clan.member(uuid)).ifPresent(member -> {}) cool
But what if you also want to use clan in the scope?

Optional<Clan> opt = user.clan()

if(opt.isEmpty()) return;

opt.get().member(uuid).ifPresent(member -> {})..

[crude cloud]

user.clan().ifPresent(clan -> clan.member(uuid).ifPresent(member -> {
// clan & member are available
}));

or if I need to return something
user.clan().flatMap(clan -> clan.member(uuid).flatMap(member -> {
// clan & member are available
}));

not dismissing your point, just, this is what I'd do in that situation, I see what you mean

[pastel imp]

tbh I have never went much into Optionals, are they worth learning?

[crude cloud]

things I wish Optional had:

• zip

that's all

[full anchor]

Anybody have any knowledge of Mythic Mobs?

[crude cloud]

maybe, but not me

[full anchor]

maybe.. but not you?

xD

[crude cloud]

maybe there is someone

but that ain't me

[full anchor]

Ohhh I see what you mean lol

We have a few mutual friends Emily lol

[crude cloud]

a few 😭

[pastel imp]

lmao

[full anchor]

oh i thought I saw snowcone lol

that was probably there mutual friend lolol

And Hello Mr Afonso~

[pastel imp]

random question, How can I get the "me.mrafonso.bgems" with gradle? Is there a variable for that?

I know there is one for group id, but my group id is just "me.mrafonso"

[full anchor]

I have no idea 😌

.. Sorry

[rotund egret]

you could append the project id, not sure if there's a preset var for it

ofc neither of those actually gets the file structure

[crude cloud]

yeah I mean gradle doesn't really know what your base package is, not that a "base package" is necessarily a thing either

[pastel imp]

I could in theory put group id + the name of the project in lowercase

is it even possible to put it in lowercase?

I mean... is it even a problem if there are uppercased letters?

for the destination of a relocation for instance

is it a problem if it's like me.mrafonso.HeLlo.libs.smt?

[crude cloud]

sure?

I don't see why it wouldn't be

[rotund egret]

string manipulation is impossible in groovy/kotlin everyone knows this

[pastel imp]

I assume the convention is always lowercased though?

[rotund egret]

of packages? yes

[pastel imp]

I suppose I will just have to do it manually

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half harness]

[crude cloud]

huh

[half harness]

in my project creator project I do group id + project name lowercase

[rotund egret]

me when String#lowercase is impossible 🤯

[half harness]

or actually for this case I'd just hardcode it

eh idk

it doesn't matter

[pastel imp]

are we speaking about the same thing though?

[half harness]

I'm giving an example of my own that I think is related ¯_(ツ)_/¯

but im a bit confused

so sorry if it's unrelated

[pastel imp]

I am also a bit confused lol

let me clarify my case

For instance, I currently use MC Dev plugin in Intellij to create projects, you can specify a group id, etc there, in my case, I usually use me.mrafonso for group id of my projects, but then the main package is always me.mrafonso.NAMEOFPLUGIN, and I am trying to customize the build.gradle template used when creating a project using the plugin, to automatically put the right package on relocation of a few common libraries I use.

[half harness]

oh

[pastel imp]

now that I think about it, is it even wise to use the same group id for all projects?

lol

[rotund egret]

That's the point of it?

[half harness]

so it's almost the same situation as mine

except that instead of MC Dev I made my own program

[pastel imp]

Also, a good question is, if I relocate the same library, in 2 different plugins, to the same path (me.mrafonso.libs.smt), won't that cause issues?

[half harness]

yes

I would suggest groupid.artifactid.libs.something

[pastel imp]

yeah okay so I am correct okay, I was like "am I even right to think this? lol"

that's exactly it

let me check if I can find a variable for it

yeah it's this

thanks

forgot about the artifact id lmao

only single thing that sucks now

[rotund egret]

womp womp

[pastel imp]

is that the template is using kotlin but mc dev plugin generates a build.gradle

so I have to manually change it to build.gradle.kts

which could be worse tbh

better than having to make a build.gradle.kts again and again

[brazen ether]

smoke

[crude cloud]

not the server gui 😭

[crude cloud]

literally cs2

[brazen ether]

it's USEFUL

actually no

but like

[crude cloud]

lmao

[brazen ether]

it helps keeps my eyes open at 3 am with the blinding white

[brazen ether]

cs2 smoke is actually hella complex

[crude cloud]

💀

[safe crescent]

@rotund shadow what do you mean

[rotund shadow]

i cant see it

[safe crescent]

like the image?

[rotund shadow]

you just sent a pic of steve in a jungle and said its a gun ? why

[safe crescent]

we denying entire countries now? jeez

[rotund shadow]

what country ??

[safe crescent]

i respect your opinions but sorry i just dont really have time for it

[rotund shadow]

what opinion ??? im just saying i cant see anything im being realistic

[brazen ether]

ppl dont like israel, you posted israel,, dislikes happen

it really is that simple

[safe crescent]

yeah i get that dw

it is what it is

[brazen ether]

indeed

[potent nest]

classic irrational thinking

[rotund shadow]

Very irrational 🤑

[potent nest]

I don't why I blocked this account before, but I guess nothing changed

[rotund shadow]

Can't argue there 🤷🏻

Im him

[rotund egret]

It's not necessarily that it's Israel, but it is in bad taste given the current events imo.

I do have a distaste for guns too fwiw

[safe crescent]

well i cant really control irl events so

[rotund egret]

I'm not asking you to 🙂

[safe crescent]

yeah ik but im just saying

cause im trynna add guns from every country to my server

so far palastine has only ever made 1 domestic type of gun so who knows ill try adding that too if i can find a country head for it

[rotund egret]

You made the choice to include it and showcase it during this time and I don't think it was a good choice.
I understand your goal and I understand why you feel justified. I just don't find it to be in good taste, as I said.

[safe crescent]

then you do you

[rotund egret]

For sure, no hate. 🙂

[safe crescent]

btw has anyone ever used movecraft

the plugin

im thinking of adding it to my server

[remote goblet]

REAL

[safe crescent]

guns aint for everyone

personally i quite like them

rn i have a .177 revolver cause uk gun laws are strict but when i move to america ima try get some better stuff

[remote goblet]

i date someone with an autistic hyperfixation over weaponry and has a vast collection of gun knowledge (he hates valorant weapons) although i think owning them is strange

[rotund egret]

I like shooting them for fun, I don't like the gun control we have in the states

[safe crescent]

well to each their own

i think owning guns is quite important

[rotund egret]

I own a .22 not necessarily by choice, but revolvers and cute weapons

Are*

[safe crescent]

i like old fashioned guns

lever actions, revolvers

colt m1911 is a classic

[remote goblet]

well my bf's main thing is knowledge about how they work and their effectiveness in actually being used

[safe crescent]

nice

[remote goblet]

like are the the handles good, will the stock break your shoulder, will they overheat, etc etc etc

[safe crescent]

tbh to me i just like guns overall, im not a physically strong person and im far from being the best fighter so to me its something i know i can defend and protect myself with

• alot of my ancestry is irish traveller which has a history of being persecuted in the uk so to me the only garuntee that the government wouldnt persecute my people again is if they knew we would be able to fight back

sadly theres some people who use guns for bad though

and it ruins it for everyone else

[rotund egret]

I'd describe myself as an aspiring pacifist

[safe crescent]

same but sadly war is a matter of reality and just because one may be a pacifist it doesnt garuntee they are safe

its like when a country is neutral, i.e switzerland has stuff like conscription and a high funded military

[rotund egret]

If anyone is looking for a good anti-war novel, 'Johnny Got His Gun' was rather compelling.

[prisma wave]

I think if we’re being really pedantic then Optional might violate one of the monad laws but yeah it’s close enough

[rotund egret]

I thought I recalled something like that

[prisma wave]

Yeah I think it’ll be something to do with the behaviour of Optional(null)

[crude cloud]

Impossible

you are American citizen, I thought you love guns and waffles and freedom and bald eagles

and the statue of liberty

[rotund egret]

Waffle House has a lot of American memorabilia up right now, it's pretty cool I guess

[potent nest]

The problem is map(_ -> null) I think

[crude cloud]

and Tom hanks

[safe crescent]

theres something called the waffle house index

basically its a code for how dangerous disasters or events are based on whether the local waffle house is opened

as waffle house is known for being a place that can survive the worse

go to any waffle house and theres probably a fight going on in there

i wanna go to a waffle house

i went to a chuckee cheese once

[rotund egret]

Probably not

Just a weird guy that keeps offering waffle sauce

[safe crescent]

out of all fast food places waffle house seems to have the most wild brawls

remember that one video where someone chucked a chair and the employee caught it and threw it back

[rotund egret]

Yeah that one video really cemented the idea of a Waffle house for you huh?

[safe crescent]

yes

[rotund egret]

They're not as exciting in real life 😦

[safe crescent]

it was a good catch too they caught it like with one hand

[rotund egret]

At best the cook is on meth and the food pops

[safe crescent]

i like waffles

[rotund egret]

They are pretty good. Had a chocolate one the other day

[safe crescent]

imo i like 60s themed diners

wait we should move to #off-topic

[rotund egret]

Foods not good, but the vibe is cute

[prisma wave]

Yeah kind of https://medium.com/97-things/optional-is-a-law-breaking-monad-but-a-good-type-7667eb821081

[rotund egret]

Shut up

[pastel imp]

https://x.com/Rich_Harris/status/1803812021411922072 svelte my beloved

Rich Harris (@Rich_Harris) on X

after all these years svelte continues to be the most interesting framework, by a considerable margin, and the one with the lowest negative sentiment

never want to rest on our laurels but we are clearly doing something right!

Twitter · Jun 20, 2024, 3:27 PM

[wind patio]

i stopped caring about the 2000 js frameworks years ago

I just use what I like and am comfortable with lol

[ocean quartz]

What, you don't like learning a completely new js framework every few months? Pft

[distant sun]

my fav part of web dev

[static zealot]

Every few months? You wish https://dayssincelastjavascriptframework.com/

[wind patio]

they should update the website to use the new js framework

[orchid wyvern]

Anyone familiar with a custom backup script for linux running always in the background and do on 11:00 and 23:00 automaticly a backup of a given path into another path?

Background: we have a network with more than one server and I want to do these backups without a plugin running on the linux system.

The path is going from server1 world1 into a backup folder outside of the server folder where all servers backup there world like: "server1 world1 path" into "world1_date+time.zip". Like for example = hub_22-06-24_11-00.zip".

Does anyone have experience with that? Please let me know!

Also: it should look for max 3 backup .zips of this specific world and after that to delete the oldest one.

I was working with chatgpt cause I dont usally programm for our network. Would love if someone can help me. I was trying with chat gpt so far but i dont want to textwall in here lol

Would love if someone have time for me! 💪

[wintry plinth]

To be truthful, I am gradually coming to this mindset now. As every time I start diving into other stacks, it feels like forever to get used to it and I feel slow developing it

[oblique heath]

this should be very easy to implement

you can use cron or systemd to have a script run at regular intervals

and the script itself would simply zip your target directory and move it to the destination, then do some ez logic to delete the oldest backup if they exceed the max count

[half harness]

(note: crossposted to #off-topic)

[pastel imp]

indeed, I have also stayed with svelte, it's where I am comfy.

[wind patio]

I mean yeah some of the new frameworks might have X and Y or are 0.001% faster and what not, I just cba to invest time and I am happy with my crud as it is 😎

[distant sun]

Is there any java JPE that addresses the boilerplate of getters & setters?
I hate how long a class gets when you have 20 getters & setters and I don't want to use lombok
Id love to have something like C#'s Type variable { get; set; }

[half harness]

doesn't seem like it (https://openjdk.org/jeps/0) || we need masked links back!! ||
kotlin :)))))))

[distant sun]

🙉

[crude cloud]

idk if I'm writing java wrong or what but I never end up in a situation where I have getters and setters, lol

[remote goblet]

thats called kotlin :(

[inner umbra]

Could always create your own annotations or object

[half harness]

🤨

lombok v2

also lombok uses like an annotation processor or smth (i forget if that's what it's called) where it modifies the actual code (bytecode?) depending on the annotations

[brazen ether]

tbf with proper encapsulation you shouldn't need getters and setters except for like, just strict data holding objects

[brazen ether]

are you sure you actually need all those getters and setters?

[brazen ether]

chat i'm getting started with haskell

truly a language

[oblique heath]

main = do get some bitches

haskell is fun, the tooling could be better though imo

[potent nest]

you can improve the tooling!

I think they're still looking for someone to implement context-sensitive error recovery

[distant sun]

I'm mostly talking about data classes like db @Entity s

[ocean quartz]

Immutable entities 😌

[cerulean ibex]

ew jpa

[distant sun]

Yea...

[distant sun]

What else can I use?

[ocean quartz]

@Entity
@Table(....)
data class Entity(
  @Column(...)
  val key: String,
  @Column(...)
  val value: Int,
)

val entity = repository.find(...)
repository.save(entity.copy(value = newValue))

😌

[distant sun]

Ye but how do I do that with java xD

[ocean quartz]

You probably don't :)
Unless you wanna make overloads for everything, which at that point might as well make it all mutable

[cerulean ibex]

whats that use

[ocean quartz]

Wdym? That's just updating a row value, but using immutable entity instead of mutable

[distant sun]

Kotlin and exposed

[ocean quartz]

That's not exposed

[cerulean ibex]

well its not regular jpa?

[ocean quartz]

Unfortunately exposed has to be mutable, but at least it'd be just val entity = Entity.find() then entity.value = newValue

[ocean quartz]

I'm not experienced enough to know but that's how we do it, JpaRepository and jakarta entity
Not sure what "regular jpa" would be

[cerulean ibex]

oh maybe its a spring thing

[ocean quartz]

Yeah it's spring

From what I have heard jpa without spring is a nightmare

But with spring it's quite nice

[cerulean ibex]

does spring not let you use a record

[ocean quartz]

Not sure tbh, I have never used spring with Java

Seems like you can't 😔

[cerulean ibex]

unfortunate

[prisma wave]

YESSSSSS

ask me one billion questions please

[wind patio]

ewwww

[sly sonnet]

haskell looks like cancer to write in

[wind patio]

true

[potent nest]

only if you're a weak type

[prisma wave]

haters and losers

[brazen ether]

im currently following an online tutorial, then idk gotta figure out some starter projects

[prisma wave]

Writing your own language is a fun one

You can start very simple and build a lot of complexity too

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Write_Yourself_a_Scheme_in_48_Hours

[brazen ether]

I meant starter projects with haskell

[prisma wave]

And extremely well suited to Haskell

Yeah I know

[brazen ether]

hmm

[prisma wave]

I mean make an interpreted language in Haskell

It’s really fun

Or compiled if you feel really brave

[brazen ether]

I shall try

[prisma wave]

But maybe not the best project for an absolute beginner

[brazen ether]

ehh, at least it'll be Interesting

[prisma wave]

Oh yeah it’s really really fun

But fairly difficult until you have a good grasp of the language at least

So maybe don’t literally start there

[woven bridge]

My name is Paul, and I am looking for a reliable and honest USA-based collaborator for long-term work. The work requires good English-speaking skills. If you are interested or know someone who might be, please feel free to reach out to me. Thank you!

[obtuse gale]

@granite sorrel that pixel art looks clean asf.

[granite sorrel]

Thank you @obtuse gale

[obtuse gale]

what are your prices for any of that? i might be interested for a custom banner/pfp

[granite sorrel]

Dm me ❤️

[vale kraken]

does anyone know if it's possible to change entities name (text display) and use custom fonts without the usage of packets?

[brazen ether]

yea

just use NMS methods

you cand use bungee serializer to convert to nms text

[vale kraken]

Thank uuu

[crude cloud]

Paper customName(Component) 😃

[ocean quartz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDMwS14p9cg

[old wyvern]

😌

Haskell still going strong I see

[old wyvern]

customName :: Component -> Paper
customName component = Paper

[rotund egret]

Haskell inspires languages like rust to do better

[old wyvern]

Haskell inspires everyone to exist

[wind patio]

haskell inspires me not to use haskell

[rotund egret]

Immutability is king

[wind patio]

hopefully my state of not using haskell remains immutable

[rotund egret]

Non haskell users are mutable, it's paradoxical

[wind patio]

😩

[prisma wave]

YES

[oblique heath]

it's... beautiful

[rotund egret]

I love the unit test

[distant sun]

[oblique heath]

you cant call us out like this

[inner umbra]

👀

[distant sun]

I'm also a part of the group

[rotund egret]

The call is coming from inside the house

[safe crescent]

Oddly enough unrelatable

I've found good success in side projects notably on roblox where I sold off multiple groups and have made around £1000 so far

Though rn ima focus on c# c++ and programming stuff for drones

[distant sun]

Nice, nice

[drowsy kernel]

Every org.bukkit import is giving me an error.
And the version in this is giving me an error for 1.20.4 but not 1.20.1

        <groupId>org.spigotmc</groupId>
        <artifactId>spigot-api</artifactId>
        <version>1.20.4-R0.1-SNAPSHOT</version>
        <scope>provided</scope>

Can someone help me?

[half harness]

what error?

also do you have the spigot repository?

[drowsy kernel]

<repository>
<id>spigotmc-repo</id>
<url>https://hub.spigotmc.org/nexus/content/repositories/snapshots/</url>
</repository>
<repository>
<id>sonatype</id>
<url>https://oss.sonatype.org/content/groups/public/</url>
</repository>

[drowsy kernel]

Version

When I switch 1.20.4 by 1.20.1 it works

But I need it for 1.20.1

[ocean quartz]

Try 1.20.5

[cedar estuary]

Yo guys, do you recommend an I9 12900KF and a 4070 Super?

[wind patio]

Isk i recommend 4080ti

[brazen ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0XuoK132z4&ab_channel=ThePrimeTime

[cedar estuary]

1200 dllrs

Chepest one

[wind patio]

AI

[safe crescent]

ai research when other people dont research ai or what it is:

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

ah damn muh embed fail

[brazen ether]

https://tenor.com/view/scream-loud-scream-girl-kid-hispanic-girl-gif-3761151244536557927

[safe crescent]

Hot take but programmer humour isn't funny and prime time is far from funny

Most of prime times comedy is "loud and angry must equal funny"

[ocean quartz]

Who watches prime for comedy? His commentary is just interesting

[safe crescent]

I didn't say anyone did I just say his sense of humour is bland

[drowsy kernel]

Nope does not work

[brazen ether]

tbf I just watch him for the articles In an audio format

[safe crescent]

same but i kind of just find him annoying

[brazen ether]

fair

[safe crescent]

there only so many "my sexy wife" jokes he can say before it gets old

tho he hasnt actually said it in a while

tbh call me boring but i just think that most forms of modern comedy isnt funny

things like people saying their thoughs out like like

"omg i did not think this will happen!!"

or that stupid internetty humour

[brazen ether]

just Lower your standards

[safe crescent]

no cause i just see humour like that sort of childish

like once i was in a conversation with this guy at my college and hes just like "so do you think yoshi doesnt pay his taxes" and im just thinking like cmon man your 17

act like it

[rotund egret]

Yoshi commits tax fraud

Also 17? Bros a child, let him be one

[brazen ether]

why is that a bad thing?

[brazen ether]

why should he?

if it's truly harmless, you're the problematic one for judging someone

[safe crescent]

cause its childish

its pretty self explanitory

[brazen ether]

why is that bad?

[brazen ether]

it's not.

[safe crescent]

cause its childish

[safe crescent]

it literally is

[brazen ether]

children are creative and wondrous

[safe crescent]

17 aint a kid btw

[brazen ether]

why?

can you give an actual explanation?

[safe crescent]

cause...its childish?

[brazen ether]

why is that bad?

[safe crescent]

ok so you know how kids act like kids and young adults have to start maturing

yeah

thats why

👍

[safe crescent]

i can place bets you judge others

[brazen ether]

you still haven't explained why it's bad?

[brazen ether]

I don't

I try not to

[safe crescent]

i just did but i gave one you didnt like so your gonna ignore it

[brazen ether]

let me rephrase, I don't judge others when it isn't important

[safe crescent]

define important

[brazen ether]

why is it bad to go against that sometimes?

[brazen ether]

it affects people I care about

[safe crescent]

because your not a kid, act like it, really dont know how its that bad

[brazen ether]

why is it bad to be childish sometimes?

[safe crescent]

so only that? what if your judging someone who is weird or acts weird

or what if your judging someone who might do something wrong

[brazen ether]

why would I judge them?

[brazen ether]

I'll care if they could hurt someone I care about

[safe crescent]

would you think they are weird if they did weird things?

[brazen ether]

maybe I realize it as a social fact, but I wouldn't care

it simply doesn't matter

[safe crescent]

then you are still judging them

[brazen ether]

no, not really

I don't form any opinions of them

[safe crescent]

yes, yes really

[safe crescent]

yeah i dont believe that

[brazen ether]

"form an opinion or conclusion about."

[brazen ether]

then maybe you should learn to judge and care less

[safe crescent]

its funny cause you care about this

you dont realise it

[brazen ether]

let people do what they want when you can't even justify why it's bad

[safe crescent]

but you care to judge my actions

and you care to respond

[brazen ether]

I don't, I'm interested in the conversation

[safe crescent]

so you care?

[brazen ether]

not you specifically

[safe crescent]

your interested

you care

[brazen ether]

in the conversation, yes

you still haven't explained why it's bad to be childish

[safe crescent]

so dont lie ok?

[brazen ether]

im not?

[safe crescent]

i already did but ok

[brazen ether]

you didn't, you just stated the definition

[safe crescent]

you just said you didnt care, only to say ues yes to me saying "you care?"

[safe crescent]

nope 👍

maybe if you read up a little

that might be hard for you tho

[brazen ether]

I don't care about your actions specifically, i care about my want to be interested in a conversation

[safe crescent]

you do care though

[brazen ether]

why is it bad to act like a child?

[safe crescent]

you care to question them

[brazen ether]

because I like conversation

[safe crescent]

cause your not a child

[safe crescent]

so you care?

[brazen ether]

why is that bad?

[safe crescent]

your just wanting to go in circles

[brazen ether]

can you explain how acting childish violates some morals?

[safe crescent]

not sure how i said it violates morals

[brazen ether]

you haven't explained how being childish actually causes harm

[safe crescent]

🤔

[safe crescent]

i never said it causes harm buddy, i said its weird

[brazen ether]

if it doesn't violate any morals, why is it bad?

[safe crescent]

violating morals isnt the only bad thing a person can do lol

[brazen ether]

why?

[safe crescent]

why what?

[brazen ether]

what else is bad that doesn't violate morals?

[safe crescent]

what you want me to change what "bad" means?

[brazen ether]

I want you to define it

[safe crescent]

"standards of behaviour; principles of right and wrong."

give me a few morals

[brazen ether]

what principle of right and wrong does being childish go against?

[safe crescent]

your whole argument rn is just going "why, why, why, why" your really not doing much other than wanting to go in circles

[brazen ether]

morals are subjective

[safe crescent]

principle of maturity:

[brazen ether]

but minimizing harm is one

[safe crescent]

so, why bring them up

[brazen ether]

you believe that being immature is inherently bad?

[safe crescent]

yes????

[brazen ether]

why?

[safe crescent]

duh???

your just going in circles

cause ive explained

multiple times

[brazen ether]

my sense of morality comes from minimizing harm to others

[safe crescent]

and your going "but why!!!" cause you cant listen

[brazen ether]

where does yours come from

[brazen ether]

because in my opinion, immaturity isn't inherently bad

[safe crescent]

i dont talk to immature people, i dislike immature people and i happily do stuff to make stuff worse for immature people

and i dont feel bad about it

i feel pride

[brazen ether]

why do you feel pride from causing harm to others?

[distant sun]

#off-topic