dev-general

[pastel imp]

his code is an mc plugin, which uses the bukkit api, hence being under the bukkit license

[inner umbra]

His code isn't under GPL. Its more likeley all rights reserved.

[half harness]

https://i.imgur.com/0BPYP2J.png
wait but

[inner umbra]

GPL is super annoying and I'll always contest it.
If you write code, that code is all rights reserved. When you compile it as a whole, if that code contains GPL the "whole" becomes GPL but your code is still all rights reserved.

[half harness]

If the main program and the plugins are a single combined program then this means you must license the plug-in under the GPL or a GPL-compatible free software license and distribute it with source code in a GPL-compliant way.
and based on the first question, it seems like spigot plugins are considered a single combined program with spigot/bukkit/craftbukkit, meaning that the plugin must be licensed under GPL or GPL-compatible

[pastel imp]

that makes no sense in my mind

is that what you think or actual facts?

(asking cause of your first sentence)

[inner umbra]

I'm pretty sure someone posted a better explanation of it before.

[pastel imp]

yeah

[potent nest]

Well yes, but you can do something else as long as the copyright owner doesn’t enforce it - if they force you to publish your plugin under the GPL, you have to do that, but if you publish a plugin under a different license, someone else can’t just pretend as if it is GPL

[half harness]

but if you publish a plugin under a different license
you can't do this though

[half harness]

bc of this

i think

[half harness]

as long as the copyright owner doesn’t enforce it
🤨

[ocean quartz]

You can if it's not enforced

[inner umbra]

if that code contains GPL the "whole" becomes GPL but your code is still all rights reserved.

[half harness]

well I mean like
what can be done legally and as if everything was enforced

you can do anything if not enforced

[final hinge]

The plugin I had wasn't compiled, but was mere source code.

That's what I've provided them.

[potent nest]

The relevant point is who can enforce it. Licenses are typically private law, other things might be public law

[final hinge]

For the most part though, I have my lawyer taking care of the technicalities.
It's a plugin we spent lots of time on I can't just let him get away with this.

[potent nest]

But that also depends on the country you‘re in etc

[final hinge]

Furthermore we had an agreement in the beginning which prohibits him from disclosing nor distributing anything.

So at the very least it's a breach of contract

[half harness]

I guess here in this scenario, that may be the relevant point
But just talking about the points in GNU GPL license, I mean that plugins are required to be licensed under GPL license

Licenses are typically private law, other things might be public law
tbh I don't know what this means, so 🥲

[half harness]

I don't know what SirYwell means by

Licenses are typically private law, other things might be public law
so this may not apply, but if the license does apply, then you'd be the one at fault due to not licensing it under GPL license

I think?

[potent nest]

In theory they have to, but if they aren’t, a third party violation the actual license still is in the wrong

But I‘m not a lawyer and a lot of that stuff might actually depend on local law

[pastel imp]

signed?

[twilit sparrow]

an agreement does not necessarily have to be signed lol

[pastel imp]

yes but the weight it has differs a bit if it was signed

[twilit sparrow]

true but that also depends on the case

in this case a simple text message agreeing to such should be more than enough

[pastel imp]

yesish

Depends a lot, messages can easily be forged

specially in discord

lol

[twilit sparrow]

if this actually goes to coart discord will provide the data from their servers

[pastel imp]

not saying they were in this case, but they can

[twilit sparrow]

which can be requested

[pastel imp]

yes

although unsure how discord handles message deletion

since per gdpr if I want my data deleted, it needs to be deleted.

unsure if they can store it for like, 30 days or so

[twilit sparrow]

ypu can request your data to be fully deleted

via email

[pastel imp]

out of my scope. no idea

[pastel imp]

deleting a message is also technically requesting that specific data to be deleted.

hence why I am unsure how gdpr has an influence in this case

[twilit sparrow]

discords tos are very scuffed anyways

and they are owned by tencent (iirc?) so nothing suprises me atp

[rotund egret]

Showing off timer tasks?

[rotund egret]

Me when I'm scared of china

[obtuse gale]

Hey! I need a developer to help with my streamer server. We want to make it fun and different from other servers. We have a donut theme and need someone who knows about currency, scoreboards, teleporting, and crates. I can't pay you right now, but you can gain valuable experience and maybe get paid later if our server does well.

[rotund egret]

Woah your giving it away on multiple of channels too!

[obtuse gale]

Yeah! I am.

[wind patio]

cringe

[obtuse gale]

Me?

@wind patio

[agile galleon]

yes, he meant you

[brazen ether]

wow you put this in multiple channels yet didn't see the request channels

oh you did

yet still put it here for some reason

and paying in experience too!!!

[pastel imp]

I swear people nowadays have 0 common sense

or even just logic

[obtuse gale]

There's a thing called being broke

[pastel imp]

then learn to do it yourself or go work, instead of devaluing people that actually work.

[obtuse gale]

Ill pay eventually if there any good

[pastel imp]

yeah not how the real world works

[brazen ether]

tbf that's how internships work

but then again people are being more cautious with that now..

[pastel imp]

yeah but guess what, you can actually use those on a CV...

at least...

and funnily enough, where I live, any internship over 2 weeks must be paid.

[oblique heath]

afaik unpaid internships have requirements where they need to be handled in almost the same ways as a classroom, at least in the us

all this stuff

[brazen ether]

ah ic

interesting

[quaint isle]

You are the server owner so you own the risk. If you believe in your concept, pitch it and offer devs a % revenue or take out a loan and pay the devs hourly / milestone-based.
"I pay you eventually I swear but only if you are good" is not gonna get you good devs.

[rotund egret]

This is the best advice

[obtuse gale]

fair enough im VERY willing to give a % revenue however the current issue is we dont have a dev to give us a good spot

[sweet mortar]

i wanna ask if i have my portal to do "/back player" run from console, will essentials.back.ondeath=false still prevent player to go back to the location?

nvm it doesnt put player to death position if run from console 👍

[static zealot]

@wind patio , any chance you can fix the merge conflicts on PR https://github.com/HelpChat/ChatChat/pull/230 so we can merge? If not, I can just redo your PR. Just need to know. Thanks

[wind patio]

yeah, sure, not today though 😄

[static zealot]

No rush. Just wanted to know.

[crude cloud]

oh god

ChatChat is still a thing?

[static zealot]

:)))

not really

it was never a thing

just half of a thing

[wintry plinth]

Smh, could of used the OG before ChatChat, ChitChat

[static zealot]

🤣

[remote goblet]

okay barry

i love rosechat (in caps)

[crude cloud]

I LOVE ROSECHAT (in caps)

[agile galleon]

Ahhah

[crude cloud]

Barry has hemorrhoids

[half harness]

WHAT IS ROSECHAT_ _

[crude cloud]

chat's rose

[half harness]

ah thanks

[remote goblet]

my favourite chat plugin!! https://github.com/Rosewood-Development/RoseChat

[raw cove]

Hi, all.
I have a great offer that will benefit us all.
If you are interested in me, pleaese DM me.

[brazen ether]

🤣

[obtuse gale]

heyyy

[brazen ether]

hey! anyone have advice on how to manage custom ui rendering in the way which interferes with the fewest amount of things possible? using actionbar breaks when using multiple plugins, so are bossbars the best way to do this?

and if so, some info about how to make invisible boss bars would be appreciated

[pastel imp]

invisible boss bars are with texturepacks I think lol, just yeet the texture. You could also try using tooltip of tools, you can send a packet for it I think. but besides the ones you stated and scoreboard and this, no other options I think.

[half harness]

https://vxtwitter.com/yifever/status/1790941768617439339

🪦

[prisma wave]

Lmao

[terse elbow]

I wonder if minecraft is good at rendering high poly models

[obtuse gale]

I am trying to make something like this: the command will start Batlepass, and it will be like this: if the player claims the reward of the first day, he will be able to claim the reward of the second day tomorrow, and he will be able to claim the reward of the first day only after 120 days. It will be cool for you.

please ping me after repay

@hushed prairie

[brazen ether]

#1236274253595414598

please read the channel names

[rotund egret]

?

[brazen ether]

unless I'm misunderstanding

[rotund egret]

Idk why they pinged tanguy, so maybe there's missing context, but #dev-general and they want to make something, seems like the right spot?

[rotund egret]

Save a timestamp when the player joins (or otherwise activates their "daily") and check against it the next time they join (or activate)

[distant sun]

Caught in 480p

[obtuse gale]

@thorn palm

[brazen ether]

"it will be cool for you" as in cool for a dev? idk. and he pinged a dev, unclear

[static zealot]

that's how a lot of demos work unfortunatelly

google also faked their ai stuff once, and they did it again

and a lot of companies are known for using misleading graphs and stuff. now that is less worse imo but not good

[brazen ether]

my dad works for one of the companies that Google partnered with and he jus said that the shit didn't work consistently enough so they hard coded a bunch of shit

[crude cloud]

that is how demos go most of the time lmao

[brazen ether]

unfortunately yes

[wind patio]

well, you want to show it now, but it's not quite there yet to work on its own, so you make it work it that way forcefully lol

[rotund egret]

Do minecraft's namespaces have any character restrictions? (or FWIW do Spigot/Paper add any additional restrictions)
They seem to be just Alphabet and underscores, but I didn't see a strict definition

[distant sun]

open the namespace class and look at the validations

https://minecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Resource_location#Java_Edition

[rotund egret]

Well now I don't need to

[a-z0-9_\-\.] if anyone wants that

[hazy cape]

Hello, im making an autoclicker for minecraft in c#, Does anyone know how to disable it when a menu is open (inventory, chest) without using the inventory key detection, because it specific for each user

[inner umbra]

Might have them mixed up here. I thought java was backards compatible?
How come spigot 1.8 - 1.12 can run java 22 but 1.13 throws java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported class file major version 65

I took out the java version check for testing in the jar.

[cerulean ibex]

thays prob asm or smth

[crude cloud]

the server itself can run on java 22, but it won't be able to load plugins compiled for versions greater than whatever java version it is meant to run

[cerulean ibex]

the jvm wouldnt throw an iae

[crude cloud]

because they process plugins' bytecode and the classfile version is greater than what it can read

[brazen ether]

if you're making a mod then just stop it when a screen is open that's not one of the main gameplay ones

[inner umbra]

1.8.8 - 1.12.2 all run my plugin compiled with Java 22.

I edited the 1.13.2 jar to remove the Java version check in the main method. But when the server enables the plugin it throws the error.

[crude cloud]

yeah,

[crude cloud]

^

they added this shit in 1.13

and newer java versions didn't exist back then so the ASM version used doesn't know about modern bytecode

[inner umbra]

Hmm. Any way around it?

[crude cloud]

fork the server to update asm? or compile for java 8?

[inner umbra]

Can't do that I started using all the new features lol

[distant sun]

Perfect time to drop support for versions olden than 2 years

[cerulean ibex]

idk how backwards compatible asm is and how secure spigots library loader is, but you might even be able to just swap out the jar in there for a newer version

[distant sun]

Does anyone have an up to date code for pinging an mc server? I made something but for some servers I get UnknownHostException or ConnectException though they work if I ping them from in-game
https://paste.helpch.at/zahesorove.java, JavaDataOutputStream and JavaDataInputStream are just wrappers for DataI/OStream that adds methods to read and write varints

[dapper loom]

hi

@distant sun could you help me with some info?

so i found an old plugin and i am trying to update it, found that vaultAPI no longer maintained
i am looking for an alterntive than this:-

            <groupId>com.github.MilkBowl</groupId>
            <artifactId>VaultAPI</artifactId>
            <version>1.7</version>
            <scope>provided</scope>
        </dependency>```

or is it possible to take over vaultAPI and update it?

[ocean quartz]

What about it needs updating?

[twilit sparrow]

you wanna take over vaultAPI?

[distant sun]

One of the servers that I get an UnknownHostException for is play.boxpvp.net. I've tried to ping it using a node.js lib called Gamedig and it works 😐

[wintry plinth]

It’s more than likely because it’s an SRV record

[distant sun]

yeah I think I've figured it out

[wintry plinth]

Managed to still be able to ping it?

[distant sun]

yeah by resolving the srv record

[wintry plinth]

Nightmare to do, haha

[static zealot]

I am trying to style a <dialog> using TailwindCSS:

Inside the dialog I have a form (for the close button) and a div containing a title and a list of users (one under another). I am trying to make the list of users scrollable whenever there are more users than fit in 3/4 of the screen height. Tried setting overflow-auto on the list and overflow-y-scroll, but it never becomes scrollable. Instead, the dialog always becomes scrollable. I've tried setting a height and a max-height on the list but that didn't do the trick.

Anyone else got any other ideas?

html: https://paste.helpch.at/magotijami.html
tailwind.min.css: https://paste.helpch.at/exixetosan.css

I use TailwindCSS 3.4.3 for styling, Jinja2 for templating and test the project in Firefox 126.0

[lost river]

fyi the Server List Ping interface should be unchanged since 1.7 so any newer example is up to date

[distant sun]

Interface?

[distant sun]

Anyways the problem had to do with srv records, the domain is this one but the actual domain you are using to connect is different and it can be revealed by accessing the _minecraft_tcp_. record

[lost river]

https://wiki.vg/Server_List_Ping

[rotund egret]

Can display entities scale on 1.19 or just in 1.20.5 when they added the attribute?

[crude cloud]

display entities aren't living entities, so they don't have attributes and can't carry modifiers, but you can set scale in the transformation

[rotund egret]

Oh good to know, thanks.
I think Sponge just has a bug in that regard then 😳

[brazen ether]

if i want to include a server resourcepack for my plugin, how should i include it? should i have a seperate github page for it for clients to download it from?

[brazen ether]

for context, i'm making an armorhud plugin which requires a clientside pack, so what's the best way to include it with the plugin?

[distant sun]

Looks like all I had to do was to resolve the minecraft SRV record of each server before trying to connect to it

[orchid axle]

how can i send a message with this color code ? &#2B7416

in java

[violet orbit]

Which distribution? Spigot, paper(or fork), sponge, vanilla, etc.?

[split parcel]

why should i use adventure library text components when bukkit's color codes with & are faster to cdoe with

[ocean quartz]

Components aren't just for color, click components, hover components, translatable components, formatting, etc

[split parcel]

is there a way to use text components with bukkit's color codes?

[wind patio]

yes

[ocean quartz]

https://docs.advntr.dev/serializer/legacy.html

[twilit sparrow]

@compact perch #1236274255940026450 message this guy not only stole our ad but is also using our name for his services. He copied my ad 1:1 and didnt even bother to take our name out. Would be nice if you could do something bout this cause afaik he does not even have the skills (OUR SKILLS) he is advertising there

[orchid axle]

does some1 has a folia build for 1.20 or can tell me how i can do it https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia

[woeful flame]

https://github.com/Slackadays/FoliaToGo

[orchid axle]

does it work for 1.20.1 too?

and is this a server jar or how can i use it

[woeful flame]

i dont know, but you can download the 1.20.4 server jar from https://github.com/Slackadays/FoliaToGo/actions/runs/8655003221
scroll down and you'll see FoliaToGo text, click on it. it will download a file with the server.jar

[orchid axle]

and what is different at folia

to normal paper

[ocean quartz]

DM Barry instead of pinging it

[static zealot]

I am curious, why do you want to use Folia if you don't even know what it is?

But this is the description you get from the github page.

https://github.com/PaperMC/Folia?tab=readme-ov-file#overview

[orchid axle]

a friend told me that its a good jar

[woeful flame]

i suggest you to use Paper if you dont know what folia is

[static zealot]

Well, if you go the the link I've sent, it will explain what Folia is and who it is for.

[twilit sparrow]

already did

thx

[twilit sparrow]

if you dont even know what a jar is i suggest you stick to the standard

[orchid axle]

yea ill do that

[twilit sparrow]

jar is not the correct term btw

its modloader

a jar can be anything

[sly sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[twilit sparrow]

correct terminology is important

imagine he goes to a server asking „whats the best jar“

[woeful flame]

lmfao

[twilit sparrow]

no one is gonna know what he means lmao

[static zealot]

Well, that isn't true if everyone else calls it just a jar :))

[oblique heath]

you're a jar

wait sorry

you're a modloader

[static zealot]

I am a jar

https://tenor.com/view/chartoph-gif-18440259

[rich coral]

someone help in general plugins 2 i need help asap! 😄

[obtuse gale]

Guys, i need help, my domain doesnt wanna work, can someone help me out i use spaceship domain i am gonna pay him dm me

[twilit sparrow]

no one calls spigot/paper/Purpur or any other modloader a jar what

[static zealot]

I was trolling. sorry

[twilit sparrow]

at this point i cant tell anymore mal sorry

[brazen ether]

any advice with this?

[stiff horizon]

Maybe when installing the plugin you install a zip file with the plugin and the resource pack folder.

I think this would make it easier for the person that installed your plugin. As they won't have to go to another site to get the resource pack.

[brazen ether]

plugins are usually just downloaded as a jar

I'ma jus look at what some other projects do and copy that

[stiff horizon]

Pretty sure someone has done it with the zip folder

[oblique heath]

a fair few projects do it the zip folder way

however i personally hate it because it makes it harder to automate updates

[stiff horizon]

Yea i have come across it only once

[brazen ether]

alr ty

[obtuse gale]

Looking for good developer, i am going to pay them DM me.

[half harness]

#development message

[violet orbit]

#showcase message
whats that mod he uses to test GUIs? It does seem useful

[stiff horizon]

DeluxeMenus i suppose

[violet orbit]

uh not the gui itself but the mod to test packet delays, loss etc on the left of his screen

[pastel imp]

can you like not spam every single channel? request channels exist.

and you know about them too...

[brazen ether]

can we just instant mute people like this lol

[pastel imp]

lol

[pastel imp]

not the one that is incompetent to read a sentence

[agile galleon]

Okay get this guy off this server please

It's time

It's like the hundredth time he crossposts about a paid request which he wont post in the request channels because he got banned...

There is literally no point in arguing with you

[obtuse gale]

Anyone well versed with 1.8.x packets?

[inner umbra]

Just ask your question.

[obtuse gale]

Right, thank you

Player's seem to get kicked with this message whenever a custom boss enters a specific phase
https://imgur.com/a/crash-RTrg2wc

[pastel imp]

any recommendations for headless cms? Heard of Strapi but any other recommendation?

preferably a free one which can either be hosted in vercel or has a decent free plan.

[lavish notch]

PayloadCMS.

[brazen ether]

how do i get the <@&346970042854014978> role?

or does that refer to developers of papi, not just general plugin devs

[oblique heath]

i think it is technically for any dev with a decent enough portfolio, however they have essentially frozen getting it for at least a few years now

[static zealot]

There was a role request channel where people could basically get verified for being a developer, mc server owner and artist (maybe more, don't remember all of them). But the process was very manual and labor intensive so it was discontinued.

Builder. That was the 4th one

[half harness]

It's reserved for the cool devs only 😎

[wind patio]

@pallid gale yo can I get dev role? Cheers

[oblique heath]

dkim moment

[ocean quartz]

Smh dkim

[static zealot]

dkim hasn't had a dkim moment in months. that's a dkim moment

[agile galleon]

I probably applied for that role like 28 months ago

[remote goblet]

meanwhile not a single person talks in there 😭

most cosmetic roll in the world

[steel heart]

#developer-chat :3

[agile galleon]

Me jealous

[humble prism]

https://github.com/Coderx-Gamer/ui-utils

[violet orbit]

Thank you very much!

[slate elk]

ngl guys some times i see request paid

and those mf's pay such little money

for a jobs in another level

[rotund egret]

Idk, $4 a model is good work if you're making worms

[slate elk]

like imagine u sit study for long time

then mf offer u 5$ for some shit that average C.S student in his second year wont be able to do

ill just suggest the talanted people between us get a forklift license

and make x10 a hour

[rotund egret]

Forklift license doesn't pay you sadly, it's just an inanimate object 😦

[slate elk]

haha xd

[pastel imp]

imo there should be more regulation in requests

[rotund egret]

meh, increased moderation for little pay-off

[pastel imp]

could be automated in theory

or just add a reaction system so that we can let at least people know it is a bad deal

which makes it be moderated by community and not mods

could also delete it once it reaches high number of downvotes

[rotund egret]

I think they tried votes in there at one point iirc

Also that one time Adam down voted one of Ori's posts, that was funny

[agile galleon]

We can try again ig

[pastel imp]

trying does not hurt anyone

[rotund egret]

It might

[pastel imp]

how so

worse case scenario, a stupid request gets downvoted to hell

I don't see the issue in that

[rotund egret]

That's not really worse case is it

That's best case

[pastel imp]

what is worse then

[rotund egret]

A good post getting vote bombed

[pastel imp]

why would that happen though?

also, you can limit it so that only X tier can vote

gate keeping it

and avoiding trolls

[rotund egret]

I don't think you can limit emotes that way without a bot

[pastel imp]

you can

easily

called per role permissions

[rotund egret]

React perms only prevent new emotes, not adding existing ones, unless they changed something?

[pastel imp]

uh

fk ye

well wouldn't be hard to add to barry

[rotund egret]

Get to work!

[agile galleon]

No

[pastel imp]

barry is not open sourced

[rotund egret]

Just ping cube with code that works and pray 3 times a day

[agile galleon]

Afaik you can also prevent them

[pastel imp]

dont even know in what language the bot is coded

[rotund egret]

Just write it in js and you'll probably be right

[pastel imp]

lol

could be jda

and there is still the factor, does adam want the system

[rotund egret]

Eh, java javascript, basically the same thing

[pastel imp]

dies

Me after reading that sentence:

[agile galleon]

I actually had a few people that learned JS for like two weeks to code plugins and then realized that they need the better Java

[hexed tartan]

Hello, i would like to create a system for daily rewards. Player need to play for example 1 hour. Do you know a placeholder to do that ?

Because i have placeholder for playtime alltime

[wind patio]

depends how you want to implement it

you can use alltime and count every passed hour

[pastel imp]

not the channel btw

[twilit sparrow]

#showcase message @rose dagger please center the camera

when in 3rd person

[rose dagger]

how?

its vanilla minecraft not modded

[pastel imp]

you could in theory center it

by putting a fake player model inside and putting the player wherever you want but invisible

[rose dagger]

That's a fair point, however then how would you detect when they go back into first person?

[pastel imp]

you wouldn't xD

either you make a way for them to toggle that view by clicking F or so

OR you make that view the default

[slate elk]

Adam is one of those people

asking for unreal tasks

thinking we r slaves

and paying 5$

[rotund egret]

Don't bring me into this 👀

[slate elk]

nah i dont need to say much sometimes you can tell what person is by the way he looks

irony some people assume that judging book by its cover is false

[rotund egret]

I guess that's why you hide your face

[slate elk]

hahaha it has nothing to do with it

i dont hide anything

[oblique heath]

yeah? how many toes do you have

[slate elk]

bruh lemme count

[rotund egret]

Taking a long time...

I'm getting nervous, does this mean many toes or a struggle to count

[remote goblet]

it was partially warranted

i have an unhealthy problem with just flat out ignoring people when i dont want to do something or just forgetting about it while i think of a response

[rotund egret]

pfft, customer service is extra

[fleet bay]

Where can I ask questions about web development?

Just in #development ?

[violet orbit]

probably

[prisma wave]

That’s so real

[wind patio]

real

same

[distant sun]

Uh, how do I pass a property to a run configuration in ij? I have a configuration that runs a gradle task, I've added the property on "VM options" and I can't find it in System.getProperties() 😦

[distant sun]

@wind patio now try to run a gradle task

[wind patio]

you mean you want to pass something to gradle run configuration?

[distant sun]

I have a run configuration of type "gradle" and I want to pass a property to the configuration that will then be accessible in code
But I probably can't... the command run is gradle <task> -Dproperty=value

Yeah I probably need to re-set the property in the build script

[wind patio]

works like a charm

[distant sun]

Yeah.. I meant to say java code
I will use env variables, those are available for the java code

[wind patio]

so, you want gradle vm option to be passed to java vm?

[distant sun]

Ye

[crude cloud]

you have to configure those in the gradle task

https://docs.gradle.org/current/javadoc/org/gradle/api/tasks/JavaExec.html#systemProperties-java.util.Map-

& other relevant methods

passing -Dblah will set the property in the gradle vm itself

[rotund egret]

Mf deleting messages n shit

[solid merlin]

I deleted mine because I figured out my mistake

Why are you cursing just cause so?

[rotund egret]

You caused confusion

[solid merlin]

Alright sorry

[rotund egret]

It's OK, I won't curse anymore

[solid merlin]

ProtocolLibrary.getProtocolManager().addPacketListener(new PacketAdapter(this, ListenerPriority.NORMAL, PacketType.Play.Server.VEHICLE_MOVE) {
  @Override
  public void onPacketSending(PacketEvent event) {
    PacketContainer packet = event.getPacket();
    Player p = event.getPlayer();
    p.sendMessage("F: " + p.getForwardsMovement() + " S: " + p.getSidewaysMovement() + " U: " + p.getUpwardsMovement() + " PACKET: " + packet.getStrings().read(0));
  }
});```

Trying to parse WASD movements

Not getting any message as a player ingame

Question is how can I get any sort of output from this packet?

[sly sonnet]

#development

[solid merlin]

Ive tried walking normally or getting on a literal vehicle like cart or horse but still no output

Oh sorry ill go there

all channels werent visible due to discord thingy

[sly sonnet]

😅

[solid merlin]

sorry to ping but would u be able to help me in #development ? I noticed you are a spigot plugin developer in your bio so...

the channel appears quite inactive hence I considered pinging someone

[sly sonnet]

hey. i haven't really worked with packets but i can try taking a look

[solid merlin]

thanks

[agile galleon]

What was that library to do Folia schedulers and Spigot ones with just one API? And what would I use to schedule something on a player and globally

[crude cloud]

on a player you'd use the player's scheduler, globally you'd use the global scheduler, but generally there aren't many reasons to use the global scheduler unless you're, like, changing the weather, gamerules, or setting the time

there are several of those libraries around but I don't remember any

[agile galleon]

I have one scheduler that loops through every players inventory asynchronously

Which is the one I'm concerned about

[crude cloud]

skull emoji

[brazen ether]

if you write code that randomly outputs a string until it accomplishes its task, that's O(1)

no need to thank me

[crude cloud]

uh yeah

wasn't gonna

[brazen ether]

:sniffle:

[agile galleon]

So I guess I can just use the async timer from Folia

[crude cloud]

why are you doing that asynchronously anyway

[agile galleon]

I did that a long time ago and it has been working

Afaik it's just doing some permission checks every 10 seconds or something

[crude cloud]

💀

[agile galleon]

on every item in the players inventory

[wintry plinth]

MorePaperLib is what we use for Analyse

[agile galleon]

Is there anything else I have to look out when adding Folia support?

I'm torn between FoliaLib and MorePaperLib

[crude cloud]

I mean, they're gonna be doing about the same shit, there isn't a lot to abstract away

[agile galleon]

Currently looking at implementing MiniPlaceholders but they state it doesn't work with shaded adventure, is there any way around this?

Would moving to the plugin.yml libraries help?

[half harness]

you can try but I don't think it'll work

because iirc it relies on the built-in server-shaded adventure

[agile galleon]

sadge

[crude cloud]

huh

[pastel imp]

doesnt paper already include folia api?

and I also think it falls back to bukkit schedulers if you arent on paper

[agile galleon]

Spigot doesn't

Before you say anything, 95% (guessed) of downloads are from the SpigotMC marketplace, I wish I could move but no other site has that mucu traffic

[half harness]

Before you say anything
Lol
Fair reason tho

[agile galleon]

I wish I could dump Spigot but I can't sadly

[wind patio]

spigot W

[pastel imp]

sounds like skill issue for using spigot

[pastel imp]

ah shit only saw this afterwards

lol

[agile galleon]

That's exactly why I said before you say anything

[pastel imp]

should've put that inside the first sentence

xD

(still skill issue though, make them move to paper)

quite easy, for a few versions, send a message in the console saying that you will move from spigotmc, that will let people know to move to hangar for example.

You can also send it to admins on join

extra visibility.

Then after a few versions, you stop updating on spigot

And tell them to move to hangar

Also, modrinth is another good option

legit has 4x the monthly amount of visits spigotmc has

[quiet depot]

you got a source on that?

also even if it does... i'm sure way more people go to spigot for plugins than modrinth

[pastel imp]

https://www.similarweb.com/website/modrinth.com/#overview

[inner umbra]

I think it depends what comes up on google and the search they use.

[pastel imp]

spigot has 2m+

[ocean quartz]

Hard to gage because if only 1/5 (random number) of the users that visit it are there for Bukkit plugins then you'd still have less than spigot

[pastel imp]

modrinth has 8m+

[cerulean ibex]

isnt modrinth mainly used for client mods though?

[pastel imp]

don't quote me on this but I saw talks on the modrinth chat that were saying that plugins are the 2nd biggest market in modrinth

[quiet depot]

that still doesn't really mean anything

[pastel imp]

1. mods 2. plugins 3. Modpacks 4. resourcepacks 5. datapack

[cerulean ibex]

what a suprise

[quiet depot]

their mod market might be massive and plugins is still fuck all

[pastel imp]

well modpacks would be 3. place

which I would assume makes it not as massive as you would think

[quiet depot]

most ppl probably go to curse for modpacks?

[pastel imp]

unverified information btw

[ocean quartz]

Really hard to guess, the most downloaded mod (not fabric api) is sodium which is 10m downloads, while most downloaded plugin is 3m, BUT what makes it harder is that the top 5 are multiplatform so they could be there for fabric/forge instead of bukkit
And the highest bukkit only plugin has 129k downloads

But this are just numbers that mean nothing

[cerulean ibex]

most downloaded plugin is also a mod

[ocean quartz]

The top 10 most downloaded plugins are also mods :')

[pastel imp]

If you go to versions of a plugin you can see the downloads for bukkit versions

although that does not give you the total

[cerulean ibex]

i meant client mod

[ocean quartz]

Actually found a good comparison, TAB's latest version 4.1.5 has 2289 downloads on spigot and 882 downloads on modrinth

[pastel imp]

Simple Voice Chat seems to be mostly fabric/quilt/forge

[ocean quartz]

Version 4.1.4 has 20616 on spigot and 10900 on modrinth

So using this very VERY limited example you can assume spigot has double the engagement of modrinth for plugins

[pastel imp]

I suppose

once paper hard forks that will probably change since support for spigot will slowly decay

until it is non-existent

so devs will have to build paper version which in turn means they can't post it on spigot since it requires to be a spigot plugin

[ocean quartz]

Looking at coreprotect v22.4:

• Spigot: 8750
• Modrinth: 1851
• Hangar: 541

[pastel imp]

its hard to move your whole userbase to another platform without stopping to use the current platform lol

coreprotect still uses spigot, so all the userbase they gained there, will probably stay there

[quiet depot]

i'm confused though

[pastel imp]

if plugin devs start moving to newer alternatives, userbase will also go

[quiet depot]

who is using modrinth for plugins? has it gotten really popular recently or something? I never hear anyone talk about it but maybe I just don't payt enough attention

[pastel imp]

but devs are scared to see the download count drop lol

[pastel imp]

I use it for one of my plugins

and several others do too

[ocean quartz]

I believe some people started moving because they make money from free resources on modrinth (not much)

[pastel imp]

https://modrinth.com/plugin/runway

[quiet depot]

ah nice

[pastel imp]

7 cents from 360 views

not bad

[quiet depot]

is this little ad here paying that?

[pastel imp]

yes

They have their own ad system

"Adrinth"

[quiet depot]

is there an adfly sorta thing when you download?

[pastel imp]

nope

literally just that AD paying it

[ocean quartz]

I believe this https://modrinth.com/mod/noxesium has been like less than $5
(i could be wrong though, I can try to confirm it later)

[pastel imp]

in theory it should be like, 10 bucks or so

bit less

[quiet depot]

they should chuck something like adfly on the download links coulda earnt a few hundred at least

[pastel imp]

I mean if we take my plugin as an example

44 downloads for 0.07

then in theory, for 500k downloads, that mod did like 800 bucks

[quiet depot]

is it paid for downloads or views

[pastel imp]

views probably

but downloads is the only public stat we can get

views are for the publisher only

if take my 360 views for 0.07, and assume noxesium got like 3x the download count in views, it would be around 300 bucks still

[ocean quartz]

I'll ask and see if I can get the exact amount made, I just know it wasn't very much for the amount of downloads

[pastel imp]

eitherway, even if we ignore monetization, modrinth is 10x better than spigotmc platform wise

and like 1.5x better than hangar

hangar is in beta though

[ocean quartz]

The fact that hangar chose to not do premium resources will always be a downside imo (i know why they did it, still don't like it)

[pastel imp]

that's actually false though. They never said they won't do it, they are just focusing on the foundation of hangar right now and there are plans to look into "freemium" instead of just premium

AKA you won't be selling plugins in hangar, you will be selling support and jars, but all "paid" plugins will require to be open sourced.

That's the current idea for paid plugins in hangar.

which imo is the best model for this.

[ocean quartz]

I don't agree, having the option to be freemium is fine, allowing only freemium I don't like
But anyways I never said they would never do it, I just said they are choosing not to for now, which is a bummer

[pastel imp]

may I ask why you dislike freemium? For me it sounds like the best model since closed source is bad...

[ocean quartz]

I don't dislike freemium, I dislike that being the only option

[pastel imp]

Why though, if people had the option for "premium" they would go for it, the whole idea of hangar is for resources to be open sourced and not obfuscated

why would they do otherwise for paid plugins

[terse elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/initiald-deja-vu-86-yuco-gif-20171775

[ocean quartz]

Because it should be a choice, if a dev doesn't want to open source it, it should be their choice to not do it, forcing open source goes against the spirit of it, you should open source because you want people to contribute, because you want to share with others for free, that's where freemium is nice
But not force it, I would love to have more open source projects out there but if the devs don't want to that's their choice and that is fine

It's all about being able to choose, I prefer freemium, it is what I would do, but I know that is not the case for many

[pastel imp]

well, they can also just argue that if they dislike it, dont use hangar xd

[ocean quartz]

That's my point though, people will dislike it and won't use it, therefore it won't have as big of a userbase as it would otherwise

It's an odd decision

But hey that's just my opinion

[wintry plinth]

Definitely agree a ton with your points here, open sourcing should be an option not an expectation or being forced.

At the same time, if I want to offer a paid plugin/mod, that should be up to me

If hangar took a commission, surely they’d want the most sales anyway?

[pastel imp]

don't think they will be taking commissions and I understand the argument overall, but at the same time, if obfuscation, etc is allowed for paid plugins then it should also be for free plugins which can cause several issues. Besides, auto moderation systems wouldn't detect malware, etc in obfuscated jars, or well, not as easily. Allowing paid plugins to be closed source would require even more moderation from the staff team, since at that point, free plugins would also need to be verified manually.

[wintry plinth]

Allowing paid plugins to be closed source would require even more moderation from the staff team, since at that point, free plugins would also need to be verified manually.
But, that doesn't stop a threat actor from "open sourcing" the code, and then also sneaking bad code into the end jar

Which again goes back to why I don't think open sourcing is a "priority" iMO

[pastel imp]

I see, I think the issue is mostly the obfuscation being indirectly allowed, not specifically being open or closed source.

It's a very hard topic to speak about, even in hangar, there are SEVERAL talks about this and there are always Pros and Cons...

[inner umbra]

Any site that doesn't give developers full authority over their own resources is shit.

[pastel imp]

To my understanding, for now, the idea is to go with freemium, if that will end up being the model, we will have to wait to see.

[pastel imp]

yeah, I see your point

well, we will have to see, at the end, we also have to think that paper's team might not have enough resources in case that much moderation is needed.

And also being a middle man adds several responsabilities to the paper team, like chargebacks, etc.

As said, very hard topic to discuss.

[inner umbra]

And also being a middle man adds several responsabilities to the paper team, like chargebacks, etc.
Are they actually taking on that responsibility or is it direct to dev with paypal or other services?

[wintry plinth]

Afonso, ever considered being an official rep for Hangar? Haha

[pastel imp]

Probably direct, since it is quite easier to both implement and handle. But even then, we all know from spigotmc, paper would still have "some" responsability on it, or at least be blamed for chargebacks, etc.

[pastel imp]

why do you say that? xD

I am just interested in the project and like to inform myself about it. xD

Unsure if I would be a good rep for ANY project lol

I lose my temper too easily.

(as we all know)

[wintry plinth]

Haha, I was only messing about because you have a lot more to explain about Hangar than any of us.

[inner umbra]

But even then, we all know from spigotmc, paper would still have "some" responsability on it, or at least be blamed for chargebacks, etc.
No they don't its between the seller and buyer. No middle entity.

MC-Market on the other hand...

[wintry plinth]

My honest take is that Hangar is cool, it's great to see a brand as big as Paper venturing out further with all this and using their reputation for good.

I just wish that they didn't force the need for open sourcing, not being able to obfuscate (if I read this right?), not properly allowing "premium" mods, etc. I agree that often open sourcing is the way to go, but sometimes I've built premium mods that I don't want the code public for, or I'd rather obfuscate it for my own reasons

[inner umbra]

From this convo... Its looks like paper is just trying to be a file host which isn't worth it lol

[wintry plinth]

I’m really surprised they don’t want to take a commission, that doesn’t seem sustainable..

Unless they aren’t expecting many to come across given their strict rules

[inner umbra]

They will either do donations or liter it with ads (or both 🤷 ).

aren’t expecting many to come across
This is the most likely outcome. Will probs have a surge of users for a month maybe more then down from there.

[rotund egret]

I'm a little confused how you're being forced to OS?
You can just host your plugins anywhere else, and in that way get to choose?

I'm not sure it's fair to force a repository to accept these terms, the developer still has full freedom with their works.

And I see your point that "it wouldn't have as big userbase" but I think that's a misunderstanding of objective, because clearly being the bigger platform isn't the goal.

Tldr if Paper presumably wants to promote OS works, I don't understand why that's "forcing"

Also for all its worth, this policy existed(exists) under ore (hangars predecessor) so I imagine there was some push to maintain it between platforms (sponge/ore -> paper/hangar)

[pastel imp]

Ah

Yeah, just well informed I suppose, it's something I like to do research on (I also have no life and read almost all their discussions when they were brainstorming about it)

[pastel imp]

yeah mcmarket also takes commissions, and I think spigot still gets some "issues" because of chargebacks or similar, and by issues I mean complaints lol, do not mean they are involved, but users might think so.

[ocean quartz]

I don't see how your message is any different from what I said? It is forcing if you decide to post on their platform, ofc you can choose not to, but that was my point that people might not post because of it

And yes their goal is not to be big and I also mentioned I understand them, I just don't like it

[pastel imp]

I mean, they kinda have like 10k in the bank if I am not mistaken from donations alone.

[rotund egret]

I think your phrasing I'm not too happy with, but I think your right were in the same vein.
I'm probably just being a pedant

[ocean quartz]

My phrasing is probably pretty bad, writing is not one of my proudest things :')

[pastel imp]

Same xD

I mean, we can't forget Hangar is still in beta, many things can change in the future

[rotund egret]

I do okay and then sometimes I just use the wrong word entirely lmao

Waiting for the day sponge starts using hangar over ore

[pastel imp]

Also, just confirming some things:

• Obfuscation: To circumvent license issues and the effort involved in reviewing obfuscated code, we do not allow submitted plugins to be obfuscated in any capacity. (from guidelines)
• Open source forced: It appears they have removed it from guidelines, which means, it does not require to be open sourced anymore, but still can't be obfuscated.

TLDR; You can't obfuscate but you are also not forced to make it open sourced.

[rotund egret]

Based

[pastel imp]

Suppose that solves most of the issues most people here had xD

[rotund egret]

Obfuscation is trash anyway

[pastel imp]

still sucks to moderate obfuscated jars ¯_(ツ)_/¯

even if you can deobfuscate it with some work

[wintry plinth]

I think obfuscation is useful in certain circumstances

[pastel imp]

that's extra work for mods

[pastel imp]

anti cheats, etc.

[rotund egret]

Yes we know of your bias for money Charlie

[wintry plinth]

Who doesn’t love money?

[rotund egret]

I don't fwiw

[wintry plinth]

But my proposal would always be for Hangar make it so you send an obfuscated and non obfuscated version to the staff

So they could review it, but publicly it’s overucated

[pastel imp]

BTW a bit offtopic, but Related documents, such as documentation, tutorials, source code, and support Discords, including paid support. "including paid support", which means, technically, freemium already exists per guidelines, but only for support.

[rotund egret]

Security via obfuscation isn't security womp womp

[pastel imp]

ofc not, but it stops 95% of people trying to bypass it

[rotund egret]

Me when I make up statistics

[pastel imp]

frfr

source: trust me bro

[ocean quartz]

One of the best anticheats https://github.com/GrimAnticheat/Grim and it's os

[rotund egret]

As God intended

[pastel imp]

but what I mean by it is that, most people stop trying to break into it because it's more work if it is obfuscated

[pastel imp]

facts, although think vulcan still the best atm

[rotund egret]

Anyone giving up that fast wasn't going to be that big of a problem to begin with

Like setting up small rocks to defend your camp, maybe it'll block children, but they wouldn't have overpowered you anyway

[pastel imp]

better than nothing ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rotund egret]

I guess in the same way having two doors would be more secure than one.
Get to installing!

[brazen ether]

isn't there some copyright you can use to make it illegal to decompile a file

or at least publish or use those results

[rotund egret]

Even if there were you would need to have some way of enforcing it as well, which has its own complications for plebian devs like most of us

Like technically all rights reserved can't be reposted iirc

If the hosting site takes requests for takedowns for example you'd probably be fine.

Like if I uploaded your works to paper, I imagine they'd remove them for you.

Blacksites obviously aren't as forthcoming

[pastel imp]

"best" way I have seen devs do premium plugins is by having a "loader" aka a plugins that downloads the plugins you paid into ram on server start. You never have a jar or whatevee, you require a license for it to download it from the web server.

[pastel imp]

yes, there is a section in the guidelines about it, you can only upload other plugins with the owner's permission, forks are also allowed ofc.

There are also some rules about naming. Like you can't include paper in the name or anything that makes it look like official from papermc

[rotund egret]

I'm thinking they copied ores rules lmao

[half harness]

Thing with this is that the obfuscated one could be malicious but not the non obfuscated one

[pastel imp]

they did lol, it is based in ore

the whole project lol

[rotund egret]

I said that, yes 🙂

[pastel imp]

These guidelines are loosely based on Ore's plugin submission guidelines, licensed under the CC BY-SA 4.0.

Last updated: May 08, 2023

[pastel imp]

well you said "I am thinking" which implied for me it wasnt confirmed for you

so I confirmed it

[rotund egret]

Well the project and rules are separate peices

It's a shame they didn't stick with scala (thank god)

[pastel imp]

lol

[brazen ether]

this seems like it would have many downsides..

[pastel imp]

it does, web server down? don't restart your server lol

or else... rip

that is one of them

[brazen ether]

i heard once that paper or spigot don't even allow that by their tos

but prolly heard wrong

[pastel imp]

they can't really say anything about it I think lol

you might be confusing it with the whole spigot libraries system being technically against maven TOS

[brazen ether]

why?

[pastel imp]

why what

[brazen ether]

why is it against maven tos

i'm not very knowledgable about it

[pastel imp]

you are spamming maven lol

[brazen ether]

ah

[pastel imp]

maven is supposed to be for devs

not for a request to be sent every single time a server starts

xD

(well more than one request)

[brazen ether]

isn't that to get around some mojang copyright or something

[pastel imp]

paper plugin loaders fix this indirectly since they still allow you to use maven but also allow private repos, which is pog

[pastel imp]

nha, just to make jar sizes way smaller and technically if several plugins use the same library, it is only downloaded once

[rotund egret]

Small jar sizes on spigot I recall was the motivation to download libs initially

[pastel imp]

well eitherway, paper plugin system > ALL

[brazen ether]

i should prolly stop using spigot for my development..

[rotund egret]

I am a fan of the isolated classloader

[pastel imp]

shouldve for a while

[rotund egret]

Sponge has a pretty cool loader, but it's not fully featured atm 😦

[crude cloud]

State of Sponge: dead

[pastel imp]

love the concept of State of Sponge

[rotund egret]

Well you're in luck

https://forums.spongepowered.org/t/sponge-status-update-18th-march-2024/42699

[rotund egret]

Sponge has 1.20.6 builds owo

[crude cloud]

that's epic

[agile galleon]

Most of them are on Paper, it's just the website that's important. I don't have the traffic SpigotMC provides on any other platform that allows paid plugins

I wanted to add the plugin to BBB but another plugin has even less sales there than on Polymart

I would love to move to Modrinth but... no paid plugins

Just waiting for Spigot to be dethroned as the go to plugin marketplace

[rotund egret]

Real!!!

[brazen ether]

wrong chat

#general-plugins or #minecraft

[terse elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM9jX2aqkog
adventure

[distant sun]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=NaFI809Biag3wC8p&v=fTaOdbUbFmI&feature=youtu.be

[gaunt helm]

item

[compact perch]

Possible Solution Found:

The plugin (or program) you are trying to use was compiled using a newer Java version than the one you using.
To find what version you need, start from 52 which is Java 8 and for example, 60 is Java 16. (8 + 8 = 16 => 52 + 8 = 60)

Barry's solution finder is still in BETA and will make mistakes.

Possible Solution Found:

The plugin (or program) you are trying to use was compiled using a newer Java version than the one you using.
To find what version you need, start from 52 which is Java 8 and for example, 60 is Java 16. (8 + 8 = 16 => 52 + 8 = 60)

Barry's solution finder is still in BETA and will make mistakes.

[rotund egret]

8 + 8 = 16 => 52
Of course

[pastel imp]

thoughts on using swing to make a game?

me and a friend of mine had a cool fun idea for a 2D game but he is only familiar with swing.

[crude cloud]

i mean, sure

it's not exactly a game engine platform but you can do some basic rendering

it's got the rendering stuff, and that's about it, everything else you gotta diy

[pastel imp]

what would be "everything else"?

The idea of the game is to be some type of city building but from the above POV, with some tycoon stuff, etc.

(Can't really do 3D cause gl with that in swing + gl with bridges, etc lmao

[distant sun]

Do you HAVE to use swing or you WANT to use swing?

[crude cloud]

i believe javafx has more api around 3D geometries and stuff like cameras, scenes etc

but, using something like godot is gonna be a much better experience

[oblique heath]

yeah using swing here definitely seems like it would be a case of "when holding a hammer everything looks like a nail"

[wind patio]

or hammering a nail with the handle instead of the hammer part itself 🤓

[rotund egret]

That part is the head

[oblique heath]

you're a head

keep up the good work king

[rotund egret]

Thanks, doing my best to not get behind

[wind patio]

yeah i forgor

part of being non native speaker

[pastel imp]

friend only knows swing, so the idea was to not have to learn much new stuff

[wind patio]

well its N times better to use proper engine instead of swing lol

[pastel imp]

well I don't think I require a full on game engine

I don't need physics or whatever

lol

[wind patio]

yeah well, its just my opinion

[rotund egret]

Lame

Oh discord was behind

Nah it fits

[rotund egret]

Hammer head shark 🦈 *chomp*

[terse elbow]

javafx low key is a graphical library

its powered by opengl i think thats why it offers cameras and all that

someone made 3d games with it

I thought of using javafx for my cross platform project but then i found gtk for cross platform in c++

[pastel imp]

tbh no idea

doubt we would publish it either way

not sure

[brazen ether]

matrix multiplication Minecraft meme

absolutely wild

[pastel imp]

oh hell nha just had an exam with matrices this morning

[stark niche]

LMAO

[brazen ether]

that must be painful

they're important tho

[pastel imp]

not as painful as the probability part 💀

that one was hell

and geometry fked me up a bit

matrices basically the only thing that went well in the exam

xD

[brazen ether]

geometry, probability, and matrices in 1 test?

what kinda class is that

[pastel imp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

a better class than limits, integrals and trigonometry

lol

(which is the other math's class)

I have Math1 and Math2 (the matrices one)

[terse elbow]

#showcase message
omg its getting more and more real

these people are freakin talented

[wind patio]

lol

I remember having all these

[stark niche]

magic of resource packs

I never knew that it's possible to change players GUI that much using vanilla shaders

[terse elbow]

yeah shaders are the only possible explanations to these

shaders are basically mods for rendering

[terse elbow]

shaders are super hard to make, harder than plugins or even forge mods unless you know opengl and stuffs

[stark niche]

yeah I'm interested in shaders rn but I don't know how to start since there is no a lot of tutorials and it will be hard to start learning them

[terse elbow]

from my (very limited) experience, you will have to deal with advanced maths like linear algebra in shaders and also will have to know a bit of lwjgl shader methods (which was kind of confusing to me).

I think it would be easier to just learn everything about lwjgl than to learn only shaders part of lwjgl

I did not know where to start too i did watch some lwjgl tutorials

and i was not serious about learning it because it was too time consuming, but i can say the advantages definitely outweigh the efforts

[steady stump]

lwjgl is not related to shaders

it just provides java bindings for a number of native libraries

[terse elbow]

yes the shader is called glsl (gl shader langauge). It can be mostly math based, but it also involves a certain number of opengl functions to use it properly

[distant sun]

how much I love working on my degree

[stark niche]

me when coding:

[wind patio]

cant relate

[ocean quartz]

10+ tabs is the default state of my browser

[distant sun]

when I can only see the favicons I know it is bad

[wind patio]

-10 tabs for me lol

[pastel imp]

fr

funnily enough, did a cleanup today

[viral wedge]

Does deluxemenus or PAPI use ProtocolLIb

does anyone know? ping me with answer

[crude cloud]

no

[brazen ether]

check the ShaderLabs discord

there are several resources there and many opengl resources online

[stark niche]

Maybe someone knows how to make player rotation as smooth as possible? I'm making a plugin and one of the features that I have to implement is player rotation without riding or spectating an entity. I use this code to make it smooth but it's still looks bad... Increment is set to 5 and finalYaw and finalPitch is where player should rotate. Increment is set again to 5 if finalYaw or finalPitch changes. This code is called every tick if increment > 0

float yaw = playerLocation.getYaw() + (float) (finalYaw - (double) playerLocation.getYaw()) / (float) increment;
                float pitch = playerLocation.getPitch() + (float) (finalPitch  - (double) playerLocation.getPitch()) / (float) increment--;
                player.setRotation(yaw, pitch);

[brazen ether]

well you can only rotate the player 20 times per second

[brazen ether]

what if you teleport them and set like a 2 tick teleportation duration

[stark niche]

wdym by that? Also I can't use teleport() because I also apply velocity to player and teleport() will ruin everything

[brazen ether]

well you can teleport a player to a different orientation and set a duration will which interpolate the players movement

[stark niche]

duration of interpolation is increment

right now it's 5 ticks

[brazen ether]

so you can't use teleport, or spectating entities, or riding them

[stark niche]

I can use player.setRotation()

[brazen ether]

yea but that looks ugly

wait no

[brazen ether]

No

[stark niche]

it's simply Update Entity Rotation packet

[stark niche]

there is no other way to turn the player other then teleport or rotation

[brazen ether]

duration of interpolation like literally #setTeleportationDuration

[half harness]

where is setTeleportDuration?

afaik it isn't possible to set a duration besides teleporting every tick

[brazen ether]

well how else would you make smooth rotation

[stark niche]

yeah that's what I'm doing but instead of teleportation I use setRotation to don't ruin velocity of the player

[brazen ether]

without riding entities or spectating them

[stark niche]

that's why I'm asking maybe someone knows something that I don't know

[half harness]

yeah
I know for xyz there's velocity to smoothen things out, but idk anything about rotation

[brazen ether]

maybe try the teleportation method since that would work with #setTeleleportationDuration then quickly fix velocity

[half harness]

?

[brazen ether]

just on any entity

[stark niche]

I don't have this method

[brazen ether]

oh

weird

I'm tripping lemme check

oh it's a Display entity only thing

damn

that's kinda weird

[stark niche]

that's sad tbh that there is no way to make a smooth rotation without riding or spectating entity

[brazen ether]

what if you send rotation packets more often

[half harness]

it'd still be capped at 20fps

tbf from mojang's pov, there isn't really much of a reason to add this

[brazen ether]

tho idk if those only work once a tick

[brazen ether]

ah

that's really dumb..

[half harness]

actually i wonder if it's possible to do > 20
i kinda misunderstood what you said at first

[stark niche]

I'm trying to do better spectator plugin. Point of this plugin is to show you GUI of the player that you're spectating. Like health, hotbar and etc. With "laggy" head rotation it will look ugly

[brazen ether]

try sending packets

[stark niche]

I'll try that

[brazen ether]

manually more than 20timss a second

[wet bison]

does anyone here use the excellent shop plugin?

[stark niche]

but I think it won't do anything tbh. Still worth of trying

[half harness]

I'd recommend asking in their discord server

especially because it's premium, so I doubt many, if anyone here has used it

[rotund egret]

You set the teleport duration of a display entity then teleport it

[wet bison]

unfortunately i cant my dev who bought the plugin is in the hospital so i cant verify purchase TO ask lol

[brazen ether]

#dev-general is for plugin developers

[rotund egret]

Then it interpolates

[brazen ether]

they are tryna rotate a player

[half harness]

ye that's interesting... didn't know about that (but I also know like nothing about display entities)

but in this case they mean player

[rotund egret]

I don't think teleport duration works for players yea

[brazen ether]

yea it's not even a function

(which is stupid)

(Mojang why)

[half harness]

o
uhhhh maybe #general-plugins but also make sure to check the "manual": https://nightexpress.gitbook.io/excellentshop/

[rotund egret]

Just ride the display entity

[brazen ether]

they said they can't ride any entities or spectate

[rotund egret]

Pfft

[brazen ether]

yea

lmao

[half harness]

also ask your question as well even if no one has used the plugin, because some questions are common between multiple plugins @wet bison

[wet bison]

i sent a message in there... and their manual is quite bad lol doesnt really help much haha

[half harness]

oh 🥲

[wet bison]

yea prolly since its premium and they dont want people who get it without paying having all the info on how to use the plugin (ive seen alot of premium plugins do that)

[brazen ether]

well yes obviously

[rotund egret]

Lame

[stark niche]

wtf it's actually worked (probably). Rotation is much smoother now. I'll ask my friend to join to my server to test it because my minecraft is laggy because my gpu died recently and I have to play with integrated gpu :(

[brazen ether]

lmao nice. try to make the system smart tho and minimize how many times you send packets. like instead of X packets per second, do X packets per degree

[stark niche]

yeah I will when I test it with my friend. Right now I'm sending 60 packets per tick 💀

[brazen ether]

per second you mean 😭?

[stark niche]

per tick

    @EventHandler
    public void afsf(ServerTickEndEvent event) {
        for (PlayerSpectator spectator : manager.getPlayerSpectatorList()) {
            Player player = spectator.getPlayer();
            Player target = spectator.getTarget();
            if (spectator.getYaw() != target.getYaw() || spectator.getPitch() != target.getPitch()) {
                spectator.setYaw(target.getYaw());
                spectator.setPitch(target.getPitch());
                spectator.bodyTrackingIncrements =  def;
            }
            if (spectator.bodyTrackingIncrements > 0) {
                for (int i = 0; i < 60; i++) {
                    Location playerLocation = player.getLocation();
                    float yaw = playerLocation.getYaw() + (float) (spectator.getYaw() - (double) playerLocation.getYaw()) / (float) spectator.bodyTrackingIncrements;
                    float pitch = playerLocation.getPitch() + (float) (spectator.getPitch() - (double) playerLocation.getPitch()) / (float) spectator.bodyTrackingIncrements--;
                    System.out.println(yaw);
                    System.out.println(pitch);
                    player.setRotation(yaw, pitch);
                }
            }
        }
    }

[brazen ether]

Bro 😭

bad bad idea

60 times per second is smooth enough

and you could instead do like

[stark niche]

that's why I want to test it with friends first and then optimize it

[brazen ether]

1 packet per 3 degrees

hm

[stark niche]

I would say packet per 0.5 degree to make it as smooth as possible

[brazen ether]

720 packets in 0.2 seconds if the player flicks their head backwards

that's dos attack lmao

[stark niche]

yeah I got your point... well as I said I will optimize it to don't dos someone

[brazen ether]

you gotta compromise between smoothness and network limitations

[stark niche]

maybe I'll make a command to player so they can adjust their rotation smoothness but idk

(with number limit of course because then server will die if 9 players spectating at the same time)

[half harness]

btw you're also prone to doxing yourself

and increasing the ping for everyone

actually no for your scenario it's probably fine

[half harness]

o I just noticed
make sure to space out the packets if you do decide to do like 3 times per second (to achieve ~60 fps, or maybe more than 3 to have it smoother)

OR

when the rotation starts just create an ScheduledExecutorService#scheduleAtFixedRate

[brazen ether]

never do your own threads

[brazen ether]

use this^

[sweet cipher]

I'm just wondering, how is rotation factored into this ^?

As in why do you need to rotate the player?

[half harness]

i think they're trying to make the spectator like as if you were in that player

so if the player looks one way

you should look that way as well

which reminds me - I think hypixel for ex does this very well

I wonder what they do 🤔
unless they do the same thing as here

[sweet cipher]

Idk why they wouldn't use rideable entities for that though

[half harness]

hmm
I don't know anything about that so I didn't comment on it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[brazen ether]

yea true they could just ride a display entity and everything would be smooth

[inner umbra]

Whats the best approach for saving a bunch of strings?
I can go simplistic and just use a txt file. Maybe even add compression.
I don't want to use SQL because I'm not working with keys (I could but 🤷)
Could also use yaml...

[oblique heath]

if performance isn't critical then use whatever is most convenient for you

which will probably be yaml i imagine

[inner umbra]

Preferably efficiency.

[oblique heath]

what's the structure

is it literally just a list of strings

[inner umbra]

Currently its just a bunch of json strings yeah.

[stark niche]

if you look in f5 then you'll just fly

[oblique heath]

how big are they

[inner umbra]

Minimal 32 chars

Max can be way bigger.

[oblique heath]

let me rephrase, what is the expected combined size of all of your strings

10kb? 100kb? 1mb?

[inner umbra]

There is no expected. Its all random.

[oblique heath]

well surely you won't have a terabyte of strings right

there's gotta be some range

or is a terabyte on the table?? 👀

[inner umbra]

So current set up, I have a folder per player. Each folder contains a file for each minion type. In each file contains 1 string per minion.

[oblique heath]

you're storing a single string per file?

[stark niche]

doing inventory clcik event cancellation is pain. Too many scenarious to catch. I had a task to cancel event if player is trying to move an item in the chest but he should be able to move an item in his inventory or from chest

[inner umbra]

Could be but isn't likely.

[oblique heath]

oh wait i misread

i see so each minion in the file is its own string

[inner umbra]

yeap

[oblique heath]

do you have to read all the minions of all the types in at once?

like for a world load or player join type event

[inner umbra]

Preferably. But I do it all async so it can take a bit to run if it needs.

[oblique heath]

opening a bunch of separate files like that seems a lil sketch

at this point i would definitely start considering using sql

[inner umbra]

That system worked for years. But I'm recoding now so looking for better ways.

[oblique heath]

i'm sure it works as is, but if you want efficiency... 🦐

[inner umbra]

Thought so but I have to make everything based on keys.

[oblique heath]

you already have keys

[stark niche]

they could also use jackson library

[oblique heath]

you got your player uuid as a key :>

then you just select all minions where player uuid is blah and minion type is blah

or i guess you need to differentiate the minions... im sure you have a way for that already though

since you'd run into the same issue when using a file

[inner umbra]

Yeah I meant more of each minion would be keyed. Can't explain my thoughts on it lol.
Ill look into it but is there any other options?
I liked using yaml because the editability.

[oblique heath]

i mean the two big options are either storing them within flat files or in a db

i dont see any besides those two

[inner umbra]

Yeah thats why I found too.

[oblique heath]

if it were me i wouldn't think too much and would just use sqlite

[inner umbra]

Yeah that seems like the route. Gotta read into it though. Only used it once before lol

[oblique heath]

it's not difficult, you'd interface with it using jdbc just like any other db and it has decent compatibility with other sql types

[inner umbra]

Yeah the libs are usually what steer me away.

[brazen ether]

if I want to dynamically generate a resourcepack for my plugin, is hooking into the build gradle task a good way to do this

i need to duplicate and edit the opacity of a PNG 256 times and extend some json then package it into a zip

[crude cloud]

sure

[brazen ether]

thank you Emily

[rotund egret]

Gradle is good

[wind patio]

Finally switched from using spigot shit to paperweight userdev

So much easier lol

[stark niche]

paper on top

[wind patio]

True

Now I just gotta figure out how to update my server jar from 1.20.2 to 1.20.4 without losing all the patches lol

[stark niche]

I heard that paper devs want to be independent from spigot. It means that they want to patch vanilla core. One issue is that a lot of plugins have to be written from scratch

[wind patio]

Yeah that'd be really great

[rotund egret]

SpongeVanilla 🥰

[crude cloud]

why would a lot of plugins need to be rewritten from scratch?

paper would keep the existing spigot patches, the api and server code would basically remain the same for a while, the api for a long while

keeping compatibility for existing plugins is certainly a priority

[crude cloud]

they just wouldn't pull new changes

[stark niche]

from what I heard they don't like how whole spigot thing works

[rotund egret]

You don't know what you're talking about and that is okay to admit 🙂

[oblique heath]

may i have your attention please

duck exploit: https://github.com/Ivan8or

[crude cloud]

they are not going to drop spigot from the server tho

they are going to keep for quite a long while, like I said, compatibility with existing plugins is a priority

[pastel imp]

they are going to hard fork

that's just a fancy word for "not going to depend on upstream anymore"

which means updates to paper and new releases will be a ton faster after that

There will be api changes later on, and spigot plugins WILL break at some point.

Pretty sure they will give enough time to the community to switch over, those who don't, their problem afterwards.

But they are surely going to make breaking changes in the api, otherwise hard forking would almost be useless lol

[sly sonnet]

isnt spigot like bloatware?

[half harness]

wdym
if you mean like the Bukkit class containing duplicate methods from the Server class
tbh I don't mind that, even if it breaks some java style conventions 🥲
if you mean the actual server itself, then spigot added a lot of patches to remove 'bloatware'

[stark niche]

okay maybe I understood conversation in a wrong way when I was in paper server and since then it just stuck in my head that paper want to separate from spigot in one day.

[pastel imp]

that is what they are going to do though

lol

they will split off

spigot code will still be there

but any further updates will be made directly by the paper team

[visual wren]

Wow thanks sir! Good post!

[wind patio]

mc code is something else

[stark niche]

LOL same thing in anvil inventory

[cerulean ibex]

well maybe because you decompiled it?

constants are folded

actually does that even count as constant folding

constant fields are inlined

and constant expressions are folded

i give up

[wind patio]

yeah I can't tell you the reason why it's like that

no clue how the mappings stuff work lol

[cerulean ibex]

i js said 😭

when u reference a constant field it gets inlined

so in the compiled code theres no getstatic instruction cuz its just replaced with the value

[wind patio]

yeah yeah, I don't argue

it was just weird for me at first lol

[rotund egret]

Yeah likely because you decompiled

[steel heart]

Valorant player spotted

[stark niche]

I'm not

I just like this profile effect

it fits to my pfp so much

(also I got 2 profile effects for free)

[crude cloud]

I mean in cases like that the decompiler could do a smartie and put the field in there if it isn't ambiguous

[cerulean ibex]

well isnt it always ambiguous?

the constant could be anywhere

[inner umbra]

Isn't SQL already included in java? Is there a reason I need to add it to my jar?

[rotund egret]

Pretty sure java does not ship sql drivers

[potent nest]

Yeah it only has the API

[inner umbra]

Damn.
Might just stick with yaml/json for now then.

[distant sun]

L O L

I prefer to save my data manually on a sheet of paper

[rotund egret]

You make it sound like flatfile storage is bad

[crude cloud]

yaml and json are also not included in java

[inner umbra]

Yeah but you can write the files without any dependencies.

[crude cloud]

but you can't process them without writing a parser yourself.. or by including a library

[inner umbra]

Well these "drivers" are mb (sqlite: 13mb, mysql: 2mb) to big lol

[crude cloud]

you can probably guess that if there's a constant field for 2.337 and one usage of 2.337 in the same file then it probably comes from that constant, if there are two fields then it isn't as obvious, and it's more obvious for strings

idk, the mariadb driver is only 690kB

[inner umbra]

Also not doing anything crossserver so it's not really neccassary.

[inner umbra]

... only? Lol

Also isn't only sqlite flat file? The other sql types require a server (way to host them) don't they?

[crude cloud]

sqlite and h2 don't require an external engine, yes

[inner umbra]

Yeah then it's not really needed as I can just use json or yaml which are simpler to use any way.

Unless there is another databasing format/architecture I'm not aware of...

[cobalt marlin]

comparing yaml to sql is just weird

[static zealot]

Doesn't the spigot server incldue a SQL driver?

SQLite*

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/included-libraries-in-spigot/

seems so

[inner umbra]

Ah nice. But I wasn't testing with spigot so didn't know it was included.