dev-general

[cinder flare]

but yeah doing a bounding box check is like 100x easier than doing each distance calculation manually

so yeah it would be pretty far off

likely wouldn't really matter for not many players, but still

[inner umbra]

That can get pretty heavy on performance.

[long dagger]

well im no einstein but everything I have already tried hasnt worked

[cinder flare]

i'm not sure i understand the problem honestly

[long dagger]

I did that first, and that is where my problem began

since the distance is 10 yet entities are added past that

[cinder flare]

yeah up to 14, because square bounding box

[rotund egret]

entity move event when

[cinder flare]

lmaooo oh no

[rotund egret]

https://jd.spongepowered.org/spongeapi/8.2.0/org/spongepowered/api/event/entity/MoveEntityEvent.html

[long dagger]

here is the issue highlighted

using 14.14, it removes far past when it is added

you can clearly see it in the video

[cinder flare]

wdym "removes"

[long dagger]

I have code that removes the armorstand

forgot to mention that

it adds it when it gets close, and removes it when they get far away

[cinder flare]

are you using the bounding box thing for JUST the initial pickup?

or also for checking the distance between the player and the mob later?

[long dagger]

I use getNearbyEntities to add the armorstand, and then use location.distance for checking distance later (using 14.14)

idk if that answers your question

[cinder flare]

hmm

[long dagger]

this is what I am talking about, it is weird

the math aint mathing

[cinder flare]

yeah i feel like something isn't working as it should

maybe like debug to make sure the starting origin is right?

how often are you polling this actually, like every 20 ticks?

[long dagger]

it is player.getLocation

so the origin should always be good

[long dagger]

currently it is every 5 for testing

[cinder flare]

hmm

[long dagger]

idk, maybe I just ignore it

it just bugs me

[inner umbra]

I have my own box object and I loop through the world entities via NMS, so I can do it async, then check their location is inside the box.

[cinder flare]

i mean you can probably just do that in the spigot BoundingBox or whatever

[inner umbra]

not async but the bounding box part maybe.

[potent nest]

What exactly is async there?

[inner umbra]

My own thread...

[potent nest]

but what is it doing?

[inner umbra]

loop through the world entities via NMS

[potent nest]

so you're doing something that isn't thread-safe

[inner umbra]

I take a copy of the list which you can't get via the api.

[potent nest]

that doesn't make it thread-safe automatically

[inner umbra]

Its thread safe.

[potent nest]

doesn't sound like it is

[inner umbra]

Go find out for yourself 😉

[potent nest]

I don't know your code, so that part is difficult

[inner umbra]

Go find the NMS code.

[potent nest]

show me your code

because there are many methods in NMS that deal with entities, and most differ in implementation between spigot and paper, for example

and just because a method doesn't have an async catcher call doesn't mean it's thread safe

and without deep cloning at a thread-safe point in a thread-safe way, almost any interaction with a specific entity is thread-unsafe again

[inner umbra]

My method works and is thread safe, thats fine for me.

[potent nest]

it most likely isn't, you have shown before that you don't understand multithreading

[inner umbra]

I have. But also learned from it.

[potent nest]

what are you doing when iterating over the entities async? Checking if they are inside a bounding box?

[inner umbra]

x,y,z fields, later versions the x,y,z fields of the Vec3

[potent nest]

how do you make sure that part is threadsafe?

[inner umbra]

Its a copy, not the original

[potent nest]

so you have deep copies of the entity?

[half harness]

no idea if anyone has any experience relating to this but how can I get SFTP to have its ChrootDirectory on a mounted drive while having read & write permissions?

• I can't chmod because the permissions don't persist
• I can't chroot because I don't want the sftp user to own the drive (and I haven't tried, but I'm assuming the same issue with above will happen anyways)
• I can't umask=000 the drive in /etc/fstab because then SFTP gives the error: client_loop: send disconnect: Connection reset (why??)
  What else can I try? D:

[wind patio]

setfacl? @half harness

[half harness]

Hmm I haven't seen that before, I'll try it out when I get home, ty

[pastel imp]

Eyo planning on making an sql library for funs and personal use but maybe making it public and would like some feedback on this pseudo code:

SQLDatabase db = SQLDatabase.mysql()
                  .host("localhost")
                  .port(3306)
                  .user("root")
                  .password("")
                  .database("db")
                  .build()

db.addTable(SqlTable.of("newTable")
                  .addField(
                        SqlField.of("id").type(DataType.TEXT).primary(),
                        SqlField.of("name").type(DataType.TEXT).notNull()
                  )
);

ResultSet rs = db.select("id", "name").from("newTable").where(Conditions.eq("id", "12345")).queue();

Just an overall idea on how it would look, a bit inspired in the JOOQ syntax but it's not an orm.

[crude cloud]

well, jooq isn't exactly an orm either

[pastel imp]

well, point taken, any feedback?

[cerulean ibex]

SqlDatabase

[crude cloud]

no, i just enjoy being a nuisance

[pastel imp]

uh?

[cerulean ibex]

the capitalisation

[pastel imp]

oh so SQLDatabase? xD

[cerulean ibex]

yea

that capitalisation is wrong

[pastel imp]

I mean, it's pseudo code, I just need feedback about the rest lmao

[pastel imp]

fk off

@kindred hatch

[half harness]

i think you should have ur own wrapper for ResultSet as well

but i don't really use sql so idk

or you should just make a whole ORM :)))))

is there any good free OS ORM for mc

[rotund egret]

exposed

[prisma meteor]

Is there a way to enable placeholders to be used in bungeecode like a tab plugin?

[cerulean ibex]

no

theyre all ass

istg if someone says hibernate theyre getting it

[half harness]

._.

bad barry

[crude cloud]

Barry is racist

he eats infants

[rotund egret]

real

[half harness]

I don't know if anything changed since but it didn't work with relocation when I tried before (https://github.com/JetBrains/Exposed/issues/1353) (would've used a masked link there )

[rotund egret]

skill issue really

[half harness]

hmmm googled hibernate
whats bad about it?

[prisma meteor]

Um... can you help me too?

[rotund egret]

Oh you just have to fix the service files, you can do that with a gradle task I think.
I have an example of when I did it for Mongo awhile back

[half harness]

I'm not sure - try asking in #placeholder-api

[half harness]

ah
tbh I haven't really been doing MC stuff recently, but if you find the example sometime, please lmk so that I can take note of it :)

[rotund egret]

It'd probably require a lot of hunting down what needs to be changed and how, but lemme find it rq

This is a little older, I think either gradle or shadow changed some things since, but you should still be able to do it.

This is where I call transform
https://github.com/DrZoddiak/Strax/blob/d4d405aedae705e34535b4b7ea3ace84d3042085/build.gradle.kts#L54

This is the transformer
https://github.com/DrZoddiak/Strax/blob/d4d405aedae705e34535b4b7ea3ace84d3042085/build.gradle.kts#L121-L171

It's not very technical necessarily, it's just reading matched files and transforming their contents correctly
This was written with kmongo in mind, so it's not like universal or anything.

[half harness]

interesting
I haven't really used service files before, but I think I could adapt this to Exposed, thanks

[rotund egret]

https://github.com/JetBrains/exposed-intellij-plugin/blob/master/exposed-gradle-plugin/README.md#shadow-plugin-relocate-extension-for-kotlin-classes
Looks like this exists though, just can't relocate the stdlib apparently

[half harness]

oh I remember trying that, tbh didn't really understand what that did though or remember what the results were besides the end result not working

wait you excluded kotlin?

is kotlin included in sponge or smth?

[rotund egret]

I depend on another lib, kruntime

[half harness]

oh

[rotund egret]

That project has bad configuration though fr

https://github.com/DrZoddiak/Crimera/blob/master/projects/plugin/build.gradle.kts
Comparatively, look how clean this baby is

[pastel imp]

too complicated for my liking

[pastel imp]

he lib is not mc focused

[pastel imp]

might be an interesting idea but what exactly would it do?

I am also wondering if I should add magic or not? For instance, .from("tableOne", "tableTwo") would automatically do an inner join with tableTwo.

and that if there were 2 elements with the same name and the dev didn't specify which table, it would automatically take the first one it finds in a table

but that might be too much magic and actually bad for debugging in some cases

which I suppose makes it a bad idea?

[wind patio]

well, personally I wouldn't do it

makes it confusing imo

if I want to join a table, I will do a join.

[wind patio]

though .from("tableOne", "tableTwo") implies more of a

SELECT * FROM tableOne UNION ALL SELECT * FROM tableTwo

[wind patio]

anyways, we are currently using openjdk 17.0.10 java distr. for our server, any other recommended distributions, such as adoptium?

[potent nest]

distributions based on OpenJDK barely differ besides licensing

the only real difference would be using something like azul platform prime, OpenJ9, GraalVM as those actually provide different implementations of JITs

[cerulean ibex]

and openj9

wait nvm

im deaf

[pastel imp]

I suppose although no idea how I would implement it to react as an union lol I was thinking about it as a maybe just like in normal sql, you can use from several tables but you have to add a where for each table which basically works like an inner join.

the union I will do with smt like .union(SQLQuery) aka it receives a new query instance.

[pastel imp]

thoughts on having the joins be smt like .innerJoin(TABLE, Condition)?

So it would make sure people provide the on condition

[wind patio]

well, JOOQ does it like this

dslContext.select()
      .from(AUTHOR)
      .join(BOOK).on(BOOK.AUTHOR_ID.eq(AUTHOR.ID))
      .fetch();

I suppose it's just skipping .on clause

[pastel imp]

well I had that idea too but couldn't people not provide the on? how would it handle that case.

Hence why I wanted to put the condition (ON) inside the join method directly.

[rotund egret]

throw

[pastel imp]

yeah sure but I wanted to make it bullet proof for those types of mistakes

[wind patio]

well, you can't proceed with the query anymore if you don't have .on, since .join doesn't have a .where method

[rotund egret]

No builder patterns

[pastel imp]

well that would work if I had a different class like SQLJoin which only contains the on method, otherwise it always returns an instance of the builder.

would that make sense to make to keep the "builder pattern"?

[pastel imp]

I am also wondering if I should make the host, port, etc methods into a single one since builders are usually for optional things, and making those methods optional doesnt make sense since they are required...

Unsure...

[wind patio]

well, if you have a single builder instance then you will have to -> throw

[pastel imp]

yeah that's the plan

[cerulean ibex]

very anti-oopy

[ocean quartz]

Meanwhile Jpa on spring allows you to write queries like this:
List<Something> findByKeyAuthorAndSomethingAndSomethingElseOrderByDesc()

So cursed

[cerulean ibex]

take their example

@Entity
class Book {
    @Id private String isbn;
    @jakarta.validation.constraints.NotNull private String title;
    Book() {}

    Book(String isbn, String title) { ... }
}

1. must have a default constructor so youre adding an invalid state to your object
2. cannot ensure any invariants hold because shitty reflection stuff
3. class must be non-final

(these are more jpa things, but hibernate the bad standard so)

[cerulean ibex]

i think thats a spring-data thing

[ocean quartz]

Yeah that's what I meant, jpa, didn't want to write the entire thing "spring-data jpa"

I know it has other stuff too not just that, but that's what we use so that was the example :')

[cerulean ibex]

theres a wip jakarta data spec that does essentially the same thing

i love their example

List<Product> findByNameIgnoreCaseLikeAndPriceLessThan(String namePattern, float max);

[ocean quartz]

It's so cursed

I think we have a really long one, let me see if I can find it

[rotund egret]

Pretty sure that's illegal

[ocean quartz]

Can't find anything longer right now and too lazy to search more but this is a nice one

public fun findOneByKeyPlayerIdAndKeyQuestTypeAndSlot(playerId: UUID, questType: String, slot: Int): QuestEntity?

[half harness]

Ik I just meant a lib that supported mc (relocating)

[cerulean ibex]

😍

[cerulean ibex]

thats jakarta data btw not spring

[half harness]

Does it use the method name to fetch?

[cerulean ibex]

why did it tell me i cant mask my link then not delete it

[cerulean ibex]

yes

[ocean quartz]

Yeah it's converted into a query

[cerulean ibex]

i might actually like jakarta data

// these are equivalent
Vehicle[] findByMakeAndModelAndYear(String makerName, String model, int year, Sort<?>... sorts);
@Find
Vehicle[] searchFor(String make, String model, int year, Sort<?>... sorts);

no more magical language in the method name

prob requires enabling parameter names tho

[distant sun]

I didn't use it but it looks very cool ngl

[pastel imp]

hell looking at this I think mine doesn't look that bad 💀

[pastel imp]

ah okay

well I will hopefully work on it this week if no more feedback is given

[crude cloud]

idk, you say it's inspired by jooq but it just seems like a watered down version of it, you lose a lot of the static typing by using just strings to refer to columns which is one of jooq's strengths (which you can also omit and use strings as well)

[pastel imp]

well it kinda is a watered down version, as said previously it is mainly for fun and learning purposes but I still want to build a decent library since it will be public.

[agile galleon]

Why is that a requirement for a public library?

[wind patio]

arent there plenty of watered down orms out there already

[pastel imp]

no idea tbh, just wanna do one myself, someone might find it interesting, idk.

[pastel imp]

I mean, it is an indirect requirement to me. I want to learn how to structure better open sourced projects, so making a decent library would train me on that.

[wind patio]

might as well call it non-functional requirement

[pastel imp]

uh? how? how is making a decent library non-functional?

[wind patio]

well there are functional and non functional system reqs

something that abstract is definitely non functional, it doesnt define any function of the system itself

[pastel imp]

I am so confused on what you on about ngl

[agile galleon]

^

[potent nest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-functional_requirement

[rotund egret]

I think the idea they're attempting to convey is that a "decent library" is a "non-functional" requirement of a "public library"

In that a "public library" need not be "decent"

And because being "decent" does not define the function of the program, it is then a "non-functional" requirement.

Reading the wikipedia, if a "non-functional requirement" describes what the system is "to be", then the system is to be "decent" rather than, the system shall do decently.

[pastel imp]

I mean sure, but I already stated that I want to make a decent library to learn more about good structuring, etc. So... I am unsure what the issue is.

[wind patio]

exactly

[pastel imp]

well that still doesn't explain what I said above

[wind patio]

yeah I guess I am just thinking about something else

[pastel imp]

on a random note, I plan on doing like, an hybrid library where you can easily change what you are using... (mysql, sqlite, postgres, etc) would a multi module project work for this? so having the core and one for each platform? Any recommendations on where to learn more about it? Never really experienced much with multi modules.

[cinder flare]

multi module seems way overkill for that lol

at least for the SQL stuff, it's basically the same

[wind patio]

true

different classes for parsing should be enough

[rotund egret]

I love multi module gradle setups

I wish gradle docs were easier to digest because gradle is so fun to use (when it works)

[pastel imp]

Okay, even easier then.

[cinder flare]

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-java-edition-1-20-6

bro this is like, the third time in the 1.20 minor versions we've had an instant version bump with one bug fix

[wind patio]

lol

[rotund egret]

Bro is version maxxing

[cinder flare]

1.20 -> 1.20.1, 1.20.3 -> 1.20.4, and now 1.20.5 -> 1.20.6

like how do they not test these things man

[rotund egret]

big gaem

[wind patio]

lgtm push to prod

[rotund egret]

small studio

[cinder flare]

most sold game of all time can't test for gamebreaking bugs lmao

[rotund egret]

Seen the game test stuff for bedrock?

neato stuff

[wind patio]

bedrock is bleh

[rotund egret]

That's aside the point, the game test feature is just super cool

[wind patio]

havent seen it

[rotund egret]

You can write tests that generate structures that test mechanics in-game, you also get a neat little green beacon on passes

Look at this cutie

[cinder flare]

okay ingame unit tests is pretty cute

[rotund egret]

I'd love to have something like that in Java edition

[potent nest]

it's integrated in the java edition

[pastel imp]

wait wut

[wintry plinth]

Imagine hooking this up with Laravel, you get teleported as each test runs 😂 and from a distance see every beam that’s passed or failed

[agile galleon]

laracraft

[rotund egret]

How's this now?

[potent nest]

It’s part of the source code for years

[rotund egret]

Huh

[quiet sierra]

what the hell did I just decompile

[rotund egret]

Not as bad as when I checked the source of a local pest control website and found porn links scattered in the comments, that was wild

[wind patio]

what is copilot blabbing about

[agile galleon]

Dafaq

[lost river]

wha

I found this (production) https://ctrlv.link/NnF5

[static zealot]

I looked at the div that was highlighted for 2 minutes trying to figure out what's wrong with it...

[half harness]

I still don't understand

OH

💀

[brazen ether]

a kid at my school showed me his java project and since he's just learning... he only used 1 class. for his entire program. "Main extends JFrame". I almost cried

or JWindow, whatever the main screen thing is called

[rotund egret]

Nice

[oblique heath]

we do a lil imperative programming

[brazen ether]

real

[rotund egret]

It's imperative after all

[oblique heath]

my ancestors are smiling, imperial(ative)

can yours say the same

[brazen ether]

imperative programmers when they unexpectedly have to scale their code:

(weeks of refactoring)

(it's joever)

[prisma wave]

so true

[old wyvern]

so true

[slender kiln]

Yo

So if I have a Custom entity with a model on it and I want to check if a player right clicks on it and open a inventory

Cann I use #UseEntity?

And how should I implement it?

[foggy pond]

I was talking to devs on the Minecraft Modding Development discord server, and a couple of them were of the opinion that Paper/Bukkit is deprecated and instead Fabric/Forge server side mods should be used

Is that actually feasible? If so, how come people don't do that?

[potent nest]

lol

There are also people saying Java is dying for 20 years

[sly sonnet]

people need their servers to perform well...

[pastel imp]

Uhm thoughts on HikariCP? Thinking if it would make sense to use it on my SQL Library... since it is another library so... unsure

[crude cloud]

your library should be able to be used without it, but also with it

[pastel imp]

Tbh no idea how I would easily allow that.

[crude cloud]

it should be unaware of where the connections are coming from

take a DataSource or a Connection at worst

[pastel imp]

but that means the user still has to handle that on his own, that would make the builder quite obsolete...
By builder I mean this:

SQLDatabase db = SQLDatabase.mysql()
                .username("root")
                .password("")
                .host("localhost")
                .port(3306)
                .database("database")
                .connect();```

[wintry plinth]

People say that for PHP too 😅 They like to say everything is "dead"

[pastel imp]

tbf php itself do be dead...

laravel is carrying though

But yeah, overall, php is huge

like, over 75% of the websites still use it probably

[wintry plinth]

Haha, but you've just said its dead, but then said its huge?

[pastel imp]

just because several websites still use it, does not mean those are "recent" websites. half of them are probably not even updated anymore. I suppose the better term is "is slowly dying"

According to stats, the number of php websites is decreasing by 1-3% per year

[crude cloud]

well, are you going to depend on a bajillion drivers all at once and the user has to distribute your library with all of them despite only using one? or is the client the one responsible for including the respective driver in their classpath for distribution?

[pastel imp]

that is a good point....

[cerulean ibex]

as in the number of php sites went down or theres just a smaller share of php websites cuz theres more other ones?

[pastel imp]

unsure.

I would assume share?

[rotund egret]

Kinda the same thing in this context

[pastel imp]

that's where a multi-module project could work? I mean, in theory it will only support specific dbs since the some databases have things others don't.... like SQLite & MySQL

[cerulean ibex]

yeah thatd make the most sense but then it doesnt rly mean anything to whether php is dying

cuz php is old from when ppl had less to choose from

[rotund egret]

"It's not dying, people are just using it less for new projects and old ones"

[cerulean ibex]

no. a lower percentage of people could be using it for new projects, but a higher total

i dont think its true, it would also fit the fact theres more new devs/year and wayyy more options

[wintry plinth]

Ah I see, I mean to be honest if a language works, why change it? Even Facebook to my knowledge still use PHP in places.

I used to be part of the “hype” of using every modern thing, but it just doesn’t get you anywhere. Use what you know and love, doesn’t have to be PHP, could be Java, C++, C# etc

But I’ll hands down agree that PHP is only popular due to frameworks like Laravel and that other one

[cerulean ibex]

isnt it mostly cuz of wordpress

arent like half of all websites wordpress

[pastel imp]

Svelte my beloved.

[pastel imp]

any thoughts on this though? Just to close this one topic

[cerulean ibex]

@rotund egret
e.g.
year 2000 - 50 000 new devs, 10% use php
year 2024 - 1 000 000 new devs, 5% use php
(exaggerated to get the point across)
🤯

[rotund egret]

Uhh

What

[sly sonnet]

source trust me bro

[cerulean ibex]

thats an example of what im saying

[rotund egret]

Is your assertion that the original number was poorly drawn?

[cerulean ibex]

well its 2 things

1 is percentages can be misleading so -5% could mean 2 things

2 is that losing share doesn't mean its dying, it could be growing faster than ever

[rotund egret]

The number of websites is decreasing they said, how does that relate to what you said

[pastel imp]

Top 10 market share of programming languages btw (not really web specific, just general language)

[half harness]

I think a loose connection could be made to like C++
Its getting more outdated, so less are starting to use it, but it's still a very used language with more devs still learning it

[wintry plinth]

php is where the lambos are

[pastel imp]

when is your lambo coming?

[wintry plinth]

It's in @kindred hatch's garage

[pastel imp]

the question is, what color?

[wind patio]

how tf did Fortran go from 20 to 10 in a year

[pastel imp]

no fking clue

[cerulean ibex]

doesnt that website get hate for being inaccurate asf

[wind patio]

not sure

[cerulean ibex]

tiobe index or smth right

[wind patio]

yeh

[cerulean ibex]

he literally said its probably market share when i asked

this is why i said percentages can be misleading and mean 2 things

[rotund egret]

literally probably, my favorite

[kindred hatch]

He means yours, not mine 🤫

[cerulean ibex]

are you fucking deaf? i said he said it is probably market share but it could be either which is why i said it could mean two things

[rotund egret]

Woah you're hostile

[cerulean ibex]

do you understand a joke

[rotund egret]

Bad joke I guess

[cerulean ibex]

how tf would you being deaf affect your ability to read 😭

[rotund egret]

Part of why it's a bad joke I guess

[ocean quartz]

Sounds like bias of the location you're talking, if you were to talk about the same thing on paper discord for example you'd probably hear that no one uses Fabric server side only

[crude cloud]

as a paper representative, yes

[quiet depot]

are modded servers still a big thing

well I mean they weren't ever that big but do they still exist

I remember crazycraft servers ages ago that used to get a few hundred players

[rotund egret]

They still get around a bit. I don't think they're like big big per se

Hard to keep a fairly consistent player-base with content updates while fighting against mod/vanilla/plugin bugs and being cornered with version constraints and a higher resource requirement

There's also not like a decent plugin/mod platform up to date at the moment. Only ones that exist are hybrids with their own set of issues.

[quiet depot]

yeah that all figures

[wintry plinth]

i have to say, working on stuff for modded is such a nightmare

[quiet depot]

suppose a lot more is also possible in vanilla now that didn't used to be, modded servers don't serve as much of a purpose as they used to

[wintry plinth]

I struggled building the fabric implementation for Analyse, as not a lot of stuff have docs

Or apis as nice as what spigot has

[rotund egret]

Waiting for Sponge to update 😩 It's getting closer

[quiet depot]

what sponge update

aren't they working on like 3 different ones concurrently

[rotund egret]

They maintain 2 implementations Vanilla and Forge

Vanilla I think keeps up mostly, Forge is and has been behind

[quiet depot]

yeah but last time I messed around with sponge (mind you a couple years ago), they were working on multiple versions of sponge concurrently

not talking about the implementations but the actual sponge api

[rotund egret]

Oh like api versions?

[quiet depot]

yeah

[rotund egret]

Uhh I think it's api 8-11 now?

I think they're dropping 8 in favor of 10 or 11 now though (support)

[quiet depot]

yeah

is/was there a 9?

I think last time I was working with sponge, 7 was stable, 8, 9 and 10 were being worked on all at the same time

but I could be misremembering

[rotund egret]

Yeah no major number skips

[quiet depot]

idk just sounds like a lot of work to me

why not just work on one update at a time

[rotund egret]

FWIW 8-11 are all mostly the same with some world changes I think

And it's traditionally been only for api breaks, which have traditionally happened every major minecraft version

[cerulean ibex]

is it not for different mc versions? i see them bump it like every other version

[rotund egret]

It's not technically, they save major version breaks for major versions of MC, but that's not necessarily the intention per se.

I think that's gearing to change "officially"

[crude cloud]

i wonder what they constitute a "major" minecraft version

given that basically now every version seems to have huge changes underneath

not that mojang follows semver anyway

[rotund egret]

Literally major ver

[cerulean ibex]

im more talking about maintaining different api versions rather than when they make breaking changes. is it not to support multiple minecraft versions?

[crude cloud]

that's a useless metric then

[wind patio]

minecraft 2.0.0 when

[rotund egret]

If there were a need to include a major break mid-cycle I'm sure they might, but that hasn't been the case

[rotund egret]

Like I said 8-10* I think were all mostly the same except for some world changes, so I think they've just been doing stuff on latest and cherry picking mostly, or doing work in 8 and pulling forward

[crude cloud]

i mean 1.20.6 is much different than 1.20.2

[quiet depot]

sparky have you ever used the sponge api

[rotund egret]

They haven't started on 1.20.x yet, so hard to say, but they'll probably just jump to 1.20.6 and call it a day

[crude cloud]

mojang versioning doesn't really mean anything because it does not represent any compatibility or anything

[rotund egret]

Well forge, I think they have a vanilla impl

[crude cloud]

they just represent gameplay changes at this point

[rotund egret]

Which is in Snapshot, so it's subject to change anyway

[crude cloud]

or "hey we added a new entity and a new block, it's time to release a new 1.x"

anything else goes to 1.x.y

[crude cloud]

this is the real question

[rotund egret]

Sponge also ships a lot of nice apis that spigot just lacks.
Sponge had the benefit of hindsight but regardless I still appreciate it.

[quiet depot]

iirc sponge also is missing some things that spigot has?

don't ask me what I just remember having issues there

[rotund egret]

You'd know better than I

[crude cloud]

spigot has 10+ year old api that doesn't even work anymore 😌

bet you don't have that in sponge

[quiet depot]

no, sponge isn't cursed with the promise of backwards compatibility

[ocean quartz]

Spigot is too held back by the fear of breaking things

[rotund egret]

I do recall contextual data not being a thing, which might be a hold back?
Like seeing your own name on a hologram instead of someone elses (but they see theirs)

But you could always impl that yourself with packets or something too

[crude cloud]

hey, they are slooooooowly moving forward

[quiet depot]

definitely wasn't that, I honestly couldn't say what it was I just remember running into some issues

[crude cloud]

VERY slowly

but, Commodore.java isn't gonna go anywhere

[rotund egret]

Oh you know, there were a fair few events just not implemented now that I think of it.
Some equip events I recall I think

[quiet depot]

I could dive into the papi 3 code and see what I had to implement myself

I think it was inventory based

[rotund egret]

Oh I wouldn't be surprised. Inventory has gotten quite the buff since api7 though FWIW

[quiet depot]

yeah that's good

idk I don't really code anymore though

[rotund egret]

That's a shame. No time or no passion?

[quiet depot]

no passion

still good at it though, helped some people with their uni assignments recently

pretty simple first year python stuff though

[rotund egret]

Have you taken a crack at Rust yet?

[quiet depot]

fuck no

I think I looked at it like once

did sxtanna ever have a rust phase, I feel like they probably introduced me to it

idk if you ever had the... pleasure... of talking to them

[rotund egret]

I am not a fan

[quiet depot]

of rust?

[rotund egret]

Sx 😛

I rather like Rust

[quiet depot]

aha

what do you use it for

[rotund egret]

Recently started learning it, but I made a CLI app and then I was most recently working on my own toy-lang thing

[quiet depot]

fun stuff

I think I'd probably struggle with rust, idk any langs like it

[rotund egret]

It's unique in a certain way, but it borrows a lot of concepts from different places.
You might enjoy it, it's really not hard once you get the hang of it

[quiet depot]

might enjoy it... if I still enjoyed coding

[rotund egret]

https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html
Their influences if you were curious

That's fair 😛

[quiet depot]

which I mean I don't hate it, just no desire to do it

yeah, that list

I haven't used any of those langs except for c#, which I've used like twice

[rotund egret]

I learned a little C++ a long time ago, and touched Haskell once I think.

[ocean quartz]

Don't think they had a Rust phase, but definitely had a Go phase

[quiet depot]

damn idk who used to be a big rust nerd then

think there was definitely someone in here

[rotund egret]

I remember Kotlin being huge for a bit, then Ocaml was a meme, and then BM got into Haskell

err not ocaml

closure

[quiet depot]

clojure

what's that quote they used to say

something about functors being a functor or something

[rotund egret]

AHAHA

[quiet depot]

monad

[rotund egret]

monoid over the category of endofunctors

[quiet depot]

yep

that

[rotund egret]

"a monad is a monoid over the category of endofunctors"

[quiet depot]

whatever the fuck that means

[rotund egret]

there

BM could explain it I'm sure

[quiet depot]

that's ok

I don't need the explanation

[ocean quartz]

Ah yes, the nerd language

[quiet depot]

but yeah that was an interesting era for sure

[rotund egret]

Remember the Help chat kotlin project?

[quiet depot]

erm

[rotund egret]

Community effort

https://github.com/HelpChat/HCCCE

[quiet depot]

oh god

yes I do remember this now

wasn't this deployed on clip's smp

or was that unrelated

[ocean quartz]

He's still in the Go phase it seems

[rotund egret]

Oh I don't know, maybe?

[quiet depot]

yeah but this

maybe he's lost the passion too

shame cuz he was a wickedly good programmer

just too much sass

[ocean quartz]

Could also have gotten a job, mine has been pretty dead for a while too

But yeah, he was very held back by his personality :')

[quiet depot]

yeah could be that

what are you doing atm?

work wise

[rotund egret]

Surely you've seen Matt's work in showcase?

It's amazing stuff

[quiet depot]

I don't look at showcase that much, do you still work for that server?

lemme have a look in there

[ocean quartz]

Still working at Noxcrew on MCCI, moved mostly to work on systems, backend and other stuff

[quiet depot]

#showcase message this is cool

like worldpainter but with a much better preview

[ocean quartz]

More like worldmachine, you'd probably still need to use world painter after

[quiet depot]

I always preferred working on that stuff than gameplay

[ocean quartz]

Honestly yeah me too, gameplay can be fun but it's a lot harder to test and it breaks very easily

[quiet depot]

yeah that and I just found it very repetetive coding sometimes

and very fidgety, messing with numbers over and over till you find what works

just wasn't fun

[rotund egret]

Very real

[quiet depot]

I see all these people want to get into coding to make games and I always tell them that's the least fun way to code

idk, maybe it's different to what we do in minecraft vs using a game engine

I never ventured beyond making little 2d games in bluej or something

[ocean quartz]

I think it all depends on what exactly you're doing, when working on new mechanics or new things in general I tend to really like, but when it comes to repetition and tweaking it's horrible
For example I wanna work on a "spell" system in minecraft for fun at some point which I'll probably enjoy, but the moment I have to make it better and fix bugs I'll lose interest :')

[quiet depot]

yeahh

I remember when we did that coding competition and I tried to make a galacticraft plugin

had a little rocket you could launch to the moon on

[rotund egret]

I remember that

[potent nest]

very relatable

[quiet depot]

was great seeing the result of it, was pain with the numbers

[ocean quartz]

That would be soooo much cooler to do it now on 1.20.6, so many new features have been added to the game since then, you can do so much with resource packs now

[quiet depot]

https://p1g.pw/gc/rockets3.mp4

that's gonna take like a year to load cuz of my shitty vps but damn I thought it was so cool back then

[ocean quartz]

Oh yeah that was really cool

[prisma wave]

hello

[prisma wave]

yes you do

[quiet depot]

no

it's ok

restrain yourself

behave

[prisma wave]

no it's okay it's not bother

seriously

you dont need to be polite

[quiet depot]

no I assure you

please

ok go ahead

i suppose I could use a refresher

[prisma wave]

yes he's got a job

we still talk occasionally

[quiet depot]

even though I never understood it and probably won't even after you paste it

[prisma wave]

okay ngl i kinda cant be bothered haha

i was mostly joking

[rotund egret]

Shame I was looking forward to it

[quiet depot]

not even a little dopamine rush from explaining it?

[prisma wave]

really? 🥺

awww well

if you insist...

[quiet depot]

we do

but I must warn you

whatever knowledge you're about to impart will most likely fall through the holes in my sieve of a brain

[prisma wave]

ok i'll oversimplify it

so a monoid is any type that can be "combined" in some way

eg lists and strings via concatenation

numbers via addition OR multiplication

etc

it also has to have an "identity element" which doesnt change anything when combined

that being the empty list/string, or 0 for addition or 1 for multiplication

an endofunctor is a bit trickier to simplify but the best way of describing it is any type you can "map" over

think Streams, Optionals, etc

they all have this #map function

meaning they are (endo)functors

[quiet depot]

ok

following so far

oh

that's pretty much it right

[prisma wave]

oh also the combining has to be associative, i.e. (a + b) + c == a + (b + c)

[prisma wave]

the hard bit is tying the two together

the simplest way of describing a monad is that it's any type that can "merge/flatten" a nested stucture

for example with lists we can write a function List<A> merge(List<List<A>>)

ditto with Optionals and so on

[quiet depot]

when you say that I think of like a Table from guava

[prisma wave]

that could probably form a monad too but it's not quite the same

[prisma wave]

this would just like concatenate all the elements into one list or whatever

[[1, 2], [3, 4]] -> [1, 2, 3, 4]

now if you squint we can say that merge (formally known as join) is pretty much the combining operator that a monoid has

it's a bit different because rather than 2 arguments it's 1 nested argument

but it's more or less the same

[quiet depot]

I think I get it

I don't really see how it'd be useful especially that specfici example

[prisma wave]

well because it's mostly a joke definition

it's not actually really useful at all

[quiet depot]

oh lol

[prisma wave]

monads as a design pattern on the other hand are super useful

a more practical definition is anything you can flatMap is a monad

so again, Optionals, Streams, CompletableFutures (though it's not called flatMap)

and that's like... pretty much it

[ocean quartz]

The problem with functional programming is the programmers, yall make everything so unnecessarily convoluted that makes people not be interested in it

[prisma wave]

outside of like the actual underlying maths which isnt super important

[half harness]

I did not know this until now

:((

[quiet depot]

well

[prisma wave]

idk man this is arguably no more complicated than learning the 1 billion different OOP patterns

[quiet depot]

I think I'm now 1% smarter

[prisma wave]

yay

[prisma wave]

if it was called the "Nested Structure Pattern" or something nobody would care

[prisma wave]

oh lmao yeah it's like a deliberate exaggeration to make it seem overcomplicated

[rotund egret]

But the SingletonFactoryFactoryBuilderFactorySingleton is so good

[ocean quartz]

So true

[prisma wave]

Functor -> Mappable
Monoid -> Combinable
Monad -> Computation or Effect or Bindable or Joinable or Branchable or something (monads are kinda too abstract for there to be a single useful term)

[prisma wave]

Promises in JS/Rust too

[crude cloud]

@prisma wave what the FUCK is a magma

[prisma wave]

ummm

i actually dont know that one

oh okay it's just like a very abstract term for any set with an associated binary operation

in other words a type T and some function T f(T, T)

no other requirements, the function could be anything

[potent nest]

wow a group is just a special case of a magma

[crude cloud]

why the FUCK is it called magma

actually i think i know that one

they just wanted it to sound cool or something

unironically

[prisma wave]

real as fuck

[prisma wave]

a group is like a very special case haha since it's got like a bajillion more requirements

but yes

magma is like the most primitive abstraction i think?

while still being useful

you cant get more abstract than "a set and any function"

[stoic remnant]

https://i.ibb.co/xh4d6MC/aaaaamenu.png
This would be the menu itself
the menu image is in itemsadder and I want to add it to the deluxemenu menu

[slate elk]

A

[half harness]

B

Headings have been out for like months now
Someone posted like subtexts that are apparently coming soon

But idk

[brazen ether]

call me a 10x programmer the way i delete prod db and it requires 10 people to fix it

[terse elbow]

https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/templates heheeh bro so fun

hehhehehehehe

hehehehehehehehehe

[fleet bay]

Someone that has experience with React-Native and wants to build a simple app?

[agile galleon]

#1224207851174756495

[fleet bay]

Ah thank u

[agile galleon]

Also don't cross post

[fleet bay]

Sorry

I deleted the message

[agile galleon]

All good

[pastel imp]

random question but where does it make sense to use preparedstatements "variables"?

I assume no one will be using it for select, etc.

it's just in conditions right?

or in this case, expanding conditions?

[distant sun]

I always use PreparedStatement

[pastel imp]

oof okay

[distant sun]

that's because I usually have some parameters for the query, I guess you can use anything else for static queries (e.g. select * from table)

[cinder flare]

Any time you have a sql query with parameters. Unless you want a SQL injection vulnerability in your code :)

[agile galleon]

Even if the value can't be entered by the user I wouldn't risk it either way

[cinder flare]

Yeah any time you have more than a hardcoded string, it needs to be a prepared statement

[ocean quartz]

Why wouldn't anyone use it for select?

[lunar viper]

help placeholders api placeholders dont work
in chat
but if do "/papi parse me %betterteams_name%" it shows the placeholders but in chat dont do it
help

[pastel imp]

yeah I decided I will make everything use preparedstatement "variables"

now time to see how I implement it

[rotund egret]

My son drop tables is happy to hear this

[solar wren]

How to make it if the player clicks the item in the gui it will open a link in deluxemenus

[dry harbor]

Send a message of the URL

[wintry plinth]

You have me blocked? Because I can’t react to your message 😅

[rotund egret]

Yes

Couldn't tell you why. Most times it's because they're notorious pingers

[wind patio]

lol why block me too

😔🫰

[rotund egret]

I mean, I could tell you

[wind patio]

unlucky

[rotund egret]

Not particularly personal, I think afonso and yappers are too

Sometimes I unblock people after awhile, it depends

[wind patio]

well, reminds me the elijah guy

who constantly leaves and re-joins the server for some odd reason

[rotund egret]

I'm not sure how that's related, but sure

[wind patio]

idk just a weird quirk

[solar wren]

that will only send it in their chat and they have to click the linkl. I'd like when they click the item in the deluxemenu gui, it opens the minecraft url options (Are you sure you want to open.... Yes|Copy to clipboard|No)

[pastel imp]

can confirm

I can probably guess why

[rotund egret]

You're a pinger

[pastel imp]

actually, 80% of the time I don't ping, even more since mentions are automatically off

if I ping you, then it is intended ping

[rotund egret]

Guess it was too much then idk

[pastel imp]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

idc

[wintry plinth]

Haha you’re blocked too? Sad times

[distant sun]

Jesse is not wrong though

[agile galleon]

yes he is

[distant sun]

🤫

[rotund egret]

List<List<*>> moment

[wind patio]

yeh lol

[safe crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-blocked-meme-gif-24191901

no embed

:(

[rotund egret]

Didn't realize I was so popular

[safe crescent]

you aint him

[rotund egret]

I wasn't talking to you, I don't know who you are

[safe crescent]

btw for experienced developers

whats worth learning, java or kotlin

[rotund egret]

Depends what you want to do, I prefer Kotlin, but Java isn't bad

[safe crescent]

if u conclude stuff based on not knowing people, ur not gonna have a good time in life

[safe crescent]

plugin development on 1.19.4

i know some java

[rotund egret]

You're like 16, the back of a cereal box has more life experience than you

[safe crescent]

but ive heard kotlin is meare identical

[safe crescent]

17

says on my profile

[rotund egret]

Woopie

[safe crescent]

nice try buddy

anyways for people who do plugin development on versions like 1.18 1.19 and 1.20 would kotlin be a good use of time to learn?

[ocean quartz]

Kotlin my beloved

[rotund egret]

Minecraft dev is going to be a little more Java oriented, but you can use Kotlin. It's great

[safe crescent]

ight

can kotlin communicate with apis written in java?

i.e say i write code in kotlin, would i be able to use the dynmap api, or towny api

or would they need one that is also written in kotlin

[ocean quartz]

Yes, it's fully interopable

[safe crescent]

oh ok

ty

[rotund egret]

Java (in some situations) can even use Kotlin API :^)

[safe crescent]

i have some experience in java making android apps

but ive started to get into plugin development

for mc

[dry harbor]

Not possibly unfortunately through normal MC GUIs

[tepid hull]

your the owner of the server?

[oblique heath]

bro replied to a 4 year old message

[wind patio]

breuh

[green stag]

0000

[distant sun]

A lot can change in 4y

[oblique heath]

yeah im the owner now

get it right

[solar wren]

could somebody please direct me to the website that hosts headbase search? I'm specifically looking for the section where I can find Minecraft heads and copy their commands for the material section in DeluxeMenu.

[green stag]

#general-plugins or #1007620980627230730

[green stag]

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-spin-fan-rope-gif-25248314

[rotund egret]

Remind me in 4 years when it's true

[inner umbra]

I have a few different "type" classes that implement an interface. What would I use to not copy the same variables in every "type" class?

[oblique heath]

make the interface an abstract class? idk

[cerulean ibex]

nothing just copy em

when you try to create an abstraction declaring some fields youre doing too much

[rotund egret]

Are you?

It's like 1 keyword and 2 less characters isn't it

[half harness]

you can also have like getVariable()

wait can't interfaces have variables

oh ig you can't override the variables

kotlin >

[inner umbra]

Maybe

[inner umbra]

That doesn't allow me to have variables in the interface.

[half harness]

yeah but besides static, it's the closest you can go afaik
and it could work depending on your usecase

but if you truly want variables, then you need a class afaik

[inner umbra]

Yeah. Was trying not to go that route though.

Might just go back to class instead of interface then.

[bronze olive]

is there a way to make this better because every single crafting shape has its own crafting table book recipee
https://pastebin.com/4qsaZQs1

[brazen ether]

abstract class, if you're storing similar variables for multiple objects then it's beyond the scope of an interface, unless you are only accessing them from somewhere else then like someone else said, then make a getVariable function

OOP 🥴

@safe crescent you should play around with custom fonts and make a more stylized tooltip

would make it a lot nicer than reading a paragraph for all the info

looks great so far tho!

[sweet cipher]

You could also just make a separate object and use composition if that fits with your design

[brazen ether]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxGOiiR9ZKg&ab_channel=CodeAesthetic (this is opinion based)

a developer's ultimate dilemma is deciding whether to spend 3 hours-months figuring out a good architecture or saying "fuck it, imperative programming!"

[potent nest]

Not really

[brazen ether]

i'm exaggerating, but architecture can be hard to get right

big companies do major rewrites all the time because things change

[potent nest]

Rewrites are rare

Far too costly with only little benefit

That’s why we still have COBOL systems all around the world

Although they slowly get replaced by Java applications

[brazen ether]

true, but architecture is still something any decent programmer spends some time thinking about

[potent nest]

Yes, because that helps avoiding the need for rewrites

[safe crescent]

Will do

Ty for feedback

[raw cove]

Hi, all.
I am looking for a working partner(EU/UK/US). If you are interested in collaborating with me, please DM me.

[agile galleon]

#1236274253595414598

[wind patio]

does this seem fine?

we appear to have a memory leak, trying to find out what's causing it

[potent nest]

that seems to just be a circular reference somewhere

[potent nest]

18k chunks sounds okay-ish depending on the server size

[wind patio]

well it's definitely not 18k chunks loaded

that's 18k object instances fsr

something is definitely up with chunks lol

[distant sun]

Is there any reason why java? I don't mind though, java my beloved

[agile galleon]

because it's old and thus tested

[potent nest]

because it's a reliable and widespread platform

[distant sun]

Fair

[drowsy kernel]

Who knows a plugin to completely disabled chat.
Like nobody can see it (Everything) even joining and leaving.

(Sorry did not mean to ping you)

[crude cloud]

yes you did

[sly sonnet]

weird bug? more like a feature

also #development

[long dagger]

it isnt really code tho

[sly sonnet]

which plugin

[long dagger]

its just a resource pack thing

I will move it

[inner umbra]

Does BufferedReader close everything or do I have to run it on all above classes?

[potent nest]

what does "run it [...] on classes" mean? Run what?

[inner umbra]

InputStreamReader & InputStream in this case

[potent nest]

you mean if it calls the close methods on what you've passed at construction time when calling close?

[inner umbra]

Yes

[potent nest]

the javadoc tells you what it does

[long dagger]

Guys, a tornado just hit in my town, literally half a mile from me houses were in the air

I am fine, but there's debris everywhere

[rotund egret]

US?

I'm about 5 hours away

[long dagger]

Yeah

[harsh ivy]

Mr. @chilly zenith , Mr. @eager fern he is defaming my server falsly. Please check on to it sir.
This is enough

[chilly zenith]

First of all

We're not doing this here.

Make a ticket via @compact perch

do /report

[harsh ivy]

Thank You So Much. If he want to report, he will make a ticket.
But please warn him to not run defamations here.

[onyx girder]

@knotty steeple #1236274253595414598 message still looking for it?

[pastel imp]

what exactly is the defamation? Saying your server sucks or what lol

[harsh ivy]

its not ur buisness sir.
Mr. GrandJudge has already looked upon it.

Also, its not what u are saying. 🙂

[pastel imp]

lmao with your attitude, hella hope they criticized your server if it's anything similar to you

[half harness]

its not ur buisness sir.
Thats why he said to make a ticket 🙃

[storm kelp]

Bro couldn't even spell mercenary

[onyx girder]

Bro what is “Mr. GrandJudge”

[harsh ivy]

one of the staffs here

[onyx girder]

Sherlock

[harsh ivy]

yea got it. When people like you get your brain in-between some talk especially when its serious, its gotta be answered like that.

And it wasnt even what h were saying man.

[harsh ivy]

Yea i was fine with it. I got it.

[onyx girder]

Bro what the hell are you saying

[onyx loom]

this conversation does not need to continue

drop it

[harsh ivy]

Is it that hard to understand?

[onyx girder]

Yessir

[harsh ivy]

alr. I withdraw

W Staff

[pastel imp]

😂

[rotund egret]

Dev general

[rotund egret]

Surely Javascript has reached Venus

[remote scarab]

If a statement acts as a review for any of your business then by all means it is not defamatory most especially if it's true.

Any person, especially those that has worked for you has the right to share their thoughts in regards to the environment you've provided.

Oh, my apologies.
Didn't notice staff said to drop it

[harsh ivy]

"if its true", Make a reporting ticket rn. Lemme prove how is it true.

[harsh ivy]

1. You have not worked with me.
   You didnt even start any assignment, nor did you join our staff server.

2. We didnt even discuss what assigment to handover to you. We were just discussing things, and you were dismissed in less than 24 hours of appointment lol.

[harsh ivy]

yea. Apology denied 😉

Also, this isnt a review channel. Review when you can and where you are allowed to.

[remote scarab]

It's not a reportable offense, bad quality of employer doesn't mean you're a scammer or any devious person.

It simply means that it isn't nice working with you due to the reasons I've specified.

Also I was not dismissed, I told you that I am not interested in continuing the project with you due to the reasons I've specified

Furthermore I did join the staff server, I have a screenshot of that.

Moreover, I'm providing my experience so my fellow developers would know what they're going to experience.

And lastly, I shouldn't even be replying as it's been said to drop it, so once more I apologize to everyone who has to go through this, but it's essential for this message to be sent.

[distant sun]

Move this to DMs @remote scarab @harsh ivy

[remote scarab]

I have

[harsh ivy]

Stay Mad bruh.
Give your review to ur fellow devs in dms. Not here. this aint a review server. 👍

[harsh ivy]

Alrighty. Sorry sir.

[rotund egret]

Personally I think

[rotund egret]

Amazing, so brave

truly this is #dev-general

[crude cloud]

bro

[rotund egret]

Deleted messages 💀

[pastel imp]

I swear I am laughing a ton reading the messages from this cool guy

[pastel imp]

Don't bother, he already showed enough to know I would never wish to work for him

[oblique heath]

wtf drama in dev general

[rotund egret]

drama-general

[quiet depot]

this picture is actually awesome

it's from a game I used to play in like primary school lol

planet racer, cool little web game

at least I think that's what it's from, I could be completely wrong, but still unlocked a memory so bonus points for that

[rotund egret]

Piggy!

[quiet depot]

greet

[rotund egret]

What an excellent and subversive way to greet people, I love it

[quiet depot]

I think it's the perfect greeting

very concise

unfortunately I have to do a greetn't now, because i'm going to bed. just wanted to say cool picture.

uh... ungreet for our newspeak speakers

[rotund egret]

Ah well, cya!
Or.. ungreet

[brazen ether]

truly JavaScript has been haunting humanity for generations.

[harsh ivy]

as if everyone wants you to join 😂

Oh yes, im begging for you to join. 🤡

[crude cloud]

zzz

[pastel imp]

go to sleep, past your bed time

[slate elk]

weird off topic question but how its called when something push something that cause some else to move like in chain?

[brazen ether]

domino effect?

chain reaction?

[slate elk]

no no

its more like how rolex works

the mechanism

but the thing that happens

[slate elk]

it is some sort of chain reaction

i guess its just called mechanisms.

[prisma wave]

Gears?

Oh

Clockwork

[half harness]

Ripple?

Idk

[crude cloud]

like the pizza?

[slate elk]

thanks everyone, its basically mechanism , i gived rolex as exmaple since it has gear clockwork mechanism

my english is dog shit or actually i'm just uneducated...

[ocean quartz]

#showcase message when you can't control the player camera so you instead you rotate the world around the player :)

[crude cloud]

jesus

[versed vale]

@everyone how to fix mod error in Vs studio?

[crude cloud]

i dont know

[ocean quartz]

Maybe everyone might know

[wind patio]

@everyone answer pls

[pastel imp]

that is actually sick though... wonder if its client side or not aka only the player sees the world rotated.

[brazen ether]

it's a shader

so it is client side

[pastel imp]

shaders are powerful tf

gotta learn how to use them ngl

[ocean quartz]

It is really cool yeah

[pastel imp]

wonder where I can learn more about shaders though

[brazen ether]

shader labs discord

YouTube tutorials

linear algebra and glsl

[crude cloud]

it seems to be vanilla mc and block displays tho?

[pastel imp]

pog, love algebra (I do not)

[brazen ether]

no?

well it is vanilla mc

[crude cloud]

well, technically resource packs are vanilla :^)

[brazen ether]

but not block displays

[pastel imp]

wait not block displays?

its all shaders?

[brazen ether]

what are u referring to?

[pastel imp]

he is probably referring to the whole camera rotation

[brazen ether]

that's just shaders

the minimap is Shader + maps

[steady stump]

camera rotation is hacky

[crude cloud]

it's literally dispatching display transformations lmao

[steady stump]

i implemented fully custom world renderer in post shaders

[crude cloud]

interesting

[brazen ether]

that's just matrix transformations in general I think

[crude cloud]

yes?

that's how you move things in space

[brazen ether]

yes?

[crude cloud]

okaylol

[potent nest]

Yes!

[ocean quartz]

Well, one is 10€ a month more than the other and offers a free version of its most popular product :')
(not saying subscriptions are good, just pointing it out)

[rotund egret]

Community edition is very nice FWIW

[chilly zenith]

love being ghost pinged!!?!??!!?

[rotund egret]

If I use a repeating task with a period of 0 is that a non-repeating task?

[half harness]

no it just sets it to 1

[rotund egret]

Shame

[half harness]

although if it's negative then it's non-repeating

[rotund egret]

That is odd

[half harness]

yeah 🤔
🤷

[rotund egret]

onServerLoad {
    BukkitTaskScheduler.scheduleTask {
        Logger.info("Run once")
    }
    BukkitTaskScheduler.scheduleTask(20, 20) {
        Logger.info("Run every second after a second")
    }
}

Works great thanks

[drifting aspen]

@steady stump #showcase message Why's the mirror at an angle?

[potent nest]

probably to showcase that it isn't limited to being axis aligned

[drifting aspen]

yeah that was my thought, but considering the "hacky clientside mirrors" title, I suspect it's not intentional

I really do wonder how much do these affect performance

[rotund egret]

Minecraft mirror maze is gonna be crazy

Also walls you could walk through being mirrors, like paintings almost would make for interesting hidden corridors

[drifting aspen]

it's a shame that these are not compatible with iris/optifine shaders :/

[violet relic]

hi

[rotund egret]

yes

[distant sun]

wrong chat @deft fjord @charred palm, stick to #general-plugins or #placeholder-api (only one)

[charred palm]

Do u know about it?

@distant sun

[distant sun]

No.

[inner umbra]

Damn... Really thought multi variable initialization would be fixed in later java versions.
Java 21 ```java
double health, health_max = -1;
````health == 0andhealth_max == -1`

[rotund egret]

Not sure I'm a fan

[potent nest]

It’s not "fixed" because a) it’s not wrong b) changing it would break existing code c) it’s a terrible feature anyway, no need to make it even worse

[slate elk]

what r u ultimatte spammer

or somethinig?

[wind patio]

multi variable init should be illegal

[brazen ether]

nuh uh

[pastel imp]

tf since when should that be possible? so you are forced to set health to 0 if you want it to be default?

dont think that is even coming anytime soon

inline variables are already sketchy in regards to readability, initializing those like that would be even worse

[twilit jay]

Hey guys,
I just want to have your attention for a second. @final hinge as a client is a scammer. He never paid for our plugin and wants to sue us for taking his code (completely rewritten and got permission).
Do not interact with him if you don't want your brain get drained.

Please ban him from this server.

[final hinge]

Actually would like to contest that.
I never received any plugin from you guys. The plugin I requested does not at all correlate to what you showed in the video.

You stole my source code and tried distributing it if I didn't pay you for a job you didn't accomplish. Furthermore do /report in bot commands if you have a problem with me

And yes, we are suing you. Thanks for adding cyber libel to the claims now.

So you were making me pay for a faulty plugin, and if I didn't you'd end up distributing my work. Thank you for that.

[pallid gale]

Take it to DMs or wait for the report to be handled

[final hinge]

@pallid gale may I request their message to be deleted as it's damaging without any substance.

It'll be a pleasure seeing you in court though @sharp mountain Just wondering if it'll be monetary compensation or seeing you in jail 🙂

[pallid gale]

You won't be warned again.

[twilit sparrow]

omfg

not here too

every server i look at

i see these dudes

[obtuse gale]

Oh, right

[inner umbra]

When you have a bunch of variables that all have the same value that isn't default its kinda annoying to have to write the same value for each variable individually.

Open to suggestions it does have to be inline.

[potent nest]

you can still do a = b = c = d = 1

but also if you have many variables with the same value, something is wrong already

[inner umbra]

Yeah but to many = signs lol.
You're saying you don't have 5 or more variables with the same value?

[prisma wave]

something is wrong with ur design if you do

[potent nest]

how is = different from , 🤨 but yeah I don't jave 5 or more variables with the same value bruh

[inner umbra]

Even uninitialized? You don't have a class with multiple variables of the same type?

[potent nest]

If they are uninitialized, I never initialized them, so I never needed to write a =

but even then having 5+ sounds like a nightmare

[inner umbra]

The data base classes in fastasyncworldedit have multiple string variables.

Not having to write private final String for each variable is a lot cleaner.

[potent nest]

how is it cleaner

less code does not mean cleaner

[inner umbra]

More code isn't

[potent nest]

Isn’t what? Cleaner? Not automatically, but if it’s more explicit, it’s often easier to read and understand

[inner umbra]

private int x,y,z;```Vs
```java
private int x;
private int y;
private int z;
```I prefer inline. At this point it's preference.

[pastel imp]

since when can you sue for a mc plugin hahaha

[half harness]

maybe you could but (in my opinion) it is not a good use of resources 🥲

[pastel imp]

you can't.

mc plugins are automatically under a license

aka GNU

[half harness]

ok
i have no legal knowledge and idk the details of the situation so 🤷

but either way

it wouldn't be a good use of resources

🙃

[pastel imp]

GNU allows modifications and sharing

and says software should be free

so, selling mc plugins in theory are against that license.

[half harness]

oh that

free not as in price tho

[pastel imp]

so, this guy is trying to intimidate the other one

while he can't do a single fuck

[ocean quartz]

Why do you have to bring back the drama by pinging them? Cube explicitly told to drop it
I know you are not directly involved in it, but pinging them will just make it continue, it's the CoolAllRounder person situation all over again

[pastel imp]

free as freely available to anyone

[pastel imp]

did not bing them

ping*

[pastel imp]

tf

it should automatically be off

for any replies

oh welp

[crude cloud]

this is literally false

[pastel imp]

how so

[crude cloud]

free as in free speech, not free beer

[half harness]

ya thats what I meant
forgot exactly so I just stopped

[pastel imp]

the GNU General Public License is intended to guarantee your freedom to share and change all versions of a program--to make sure it remains free software for all its users.

[crude cloud]

again, free as in free speech, not free beer

GNU GPL does not say anything about being unable to sell the licensed software

[pastel imp]

wdym with free speech in this context though

?

[ocean quartz]

TLDR of the license

[half harness]

what website is that btw?

[ocean quartz]

https://www.tldrlegal.com/

[crude cloud]

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/quick-guide-gplv3.html
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

[pastel imp]

mhm thanks for clearing that up

although, even in this case, unsure if they could sue them for a software under the gnu license

that is not even his

[half harness]

wait so GPL allows piracy (of its programs)?

[potent nest]

Plugins aren’t automatically under the GPLv3

[crude cloud]

it isn't piracy if it's GPL?

[pastel imp]

Plotsquared is a perfect example

[half harness]

I guess so

[pastel imp]

why not? GNU doesn't allow sublicensing...

[potent nest]

Yeah and the people whose rights you violated can sue you then, but someone else can’t just randomly sue you for that

[pastel imp]

so, bukkit can sue, but not a random person

[crude cloud]

the copyright owner is the one who would pursue legal action

yes

[pastel imp]

so this applies to this case, the guy saying he will sue, is basically bullshitting

lol

[inner umbra]

Based on the message the guy stole his code and attempted to sell it.