dev-general

[crude cloud]

wdym by this

[rotund egret]

Ah yes this is the way

[shrewd walrus]

"Messages Failed to Load" "Please Try again"

i've tried app, browser and my phone and its all the same

[crude cloud]

interesting

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339674158596358145/1229539897321455616/stats.png?ex=66300d43&is=661d9843&hm=0bc03d041156de9131dbb3f2302a345c7e75904e695aebf518d7d96e312e132d&

[shrewd walrus]

rank #0

thats me 😎

[crude cloud]

yeah you're so good you're over 1st place

[obtuse gale]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/voidautotp.116211/

first plugin i have ever developed, you can check the code if u want

open to feedback 😄

[storm kelp]

are you planning to implement relative tp? Say if x & z are set to ~, the player teleports to the Y above them instead

[rotund egret]

Minor nitpick, but I'd probably check isEnabled before getting and checking the players Y

https://github.com/newalvaro9/VoidAutoTP/blob/c73f0a5efac09526adabb04dc5df938bf4048f2b/src/main/java/me/newalvaro9/voidautotp/VoidAutoTP.java#L76-L88

[shrewd walrus]

oh so if u schedule the tp on the next tick it'll avoid that "player moved too quickly" warning in the console?

(basing off of the comment in the code)

[storm kelp]

yeah, that's the step a lot of devs don't bother doing / don't realise is the cause

[shrewd walrus]

yeah, i feel like it should be better documented, or even be a part of the teleport function, (with a method to override incase u want to instant tp)

that or the vanilla anticheat shouldnt be shit

[compact perch]

Here's a Barry Tip buchris_:

Use https://paste.helpch.at/ for errors, logs and configs. So we don't spam the discord.

We did it this time for you,

https://paste.helpch.at/izexivehek

Barry Tip #46 · Apr 16, 2024, 12:55 AM

[zinc plinth]

Guys, need help idk what is going on xD basically im creating a command "testcommand" ======= com.dechris.theeclipzecore.commands.testCommand

and is basically a command to send a message xd TESTING

if i compile and use the plugin like that i get this:

https://paste.helpch.at/izexivehek

and if i move the command class to ====== com.dechris.theeclipzecore.testCommand

it works totally fine, I DONT UNDERSTAND

[shrewd walrus]

seems like ur not compiling ur plugin properly

are you using maven or gradle?

[zinc plinth]

maven, well i just deleted commands package and created another one and its working

xd

[shrewd walrus]

make sure you're running the maven clean command everytime u make ur jar

[zinc plinth]

yeah now im doing that

now i have another problem xd

since today im using APIs/libraries

just to know

and well the first i used gave me problems when compiling basically this:

package net.glitchtechs.starapi.File does not exist

but it does exist xd

so i injected what i needed to my project

and forget about it

now

im adding compatibility to another plugin "UltimateClans" (Im just using a check from his API)

in code, everything is ok. but when compiling i get the same problem xd

package me.ulrich.clans.api does not exist

and obviously i will not inject all that

[shrewd walrus]

are u adding it as a dependency in your pom?

and after you added it have u reoaded the maven changes

[obtuse gale]

Oh! Thanks! Would definitely look into that

[obtuse gale]

Thanks for the suggestion!

[rotund egret]

github

[obtuse gale]

Exactly, kinda shit having to add that

"I could imagine this is because while the player is teleported, there is already a movement packet on the way to the server. This packet was sent before the client knew about the new location, so it is very close to the old location. The server now thinks the client wants to move back to where they previously were and thus gives a warning, since this would be too far."

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/moved-too-quickly-warn-after-player-teleport.599036/

[shrewd walrus]

that logic makes sense to me

i wonder if the teleport async function paper provides fixes this at all

zodd said it perfectly, just use github, u can even setup a very simple github actions script to automatically compile the plugin for u

https://github.com/QarthO/qGP-WitherTrust/blob/main/.github/workflows/maven.yml

if u use maven, this is the script i made, and just copy paste it on all my repos, no modifications needed, (unless ur main branch isn't called "main")
Everytime u push a commit it'll automatically compile it into the jar and upload it as an artifact, it'll even rename the jar so that it has the commits shorten hash so u know which commit that jar was from

[pastel imp]

@mental locust there is no "learning to maoe plugins using ai", ai quite sucks at making plugins. Just learn java as a starter and then learning bukkit will be easy

[cobalt marlin]

ai sucks at anything above doing boilerplate

[distant sun]

great news from google, jetbrains has made an ide for java and kotlin!

[oblique heath]

wowowow

[pastel imp]

lmao

[rotund egret]

18y lmao

[inner umbra]

Is there a reason we still can't .forEach() on arrays?
I know you can use Stream.of() or Arrays.asList()

[potent nest]

because arrays don't implement any interface that provides such method

(also it wouldn't work well with primitive types unless you specialize it somehow)

[inner umbra]

Why would it not?

[potent nest]

because there is no Consumer<int>, you'd need IntConsumer instead

but generally the benefit of such a method would be extremely small, the work needed to integrate it into the language just wouldn't be worth it

[inner umbra]

🤷 The amount of times I have to do the above methods I find it worth it lol

[potent nest]

because you don't understand the work that would be needed behind the curtains

also, you never need the methods above

simple loops still exist and are totally fine to use

[inner umbra]

I find forEach cleaner then writing out a for loop.

[potent nest]

it isn't in many cases

because there are only little use cases where your forEach is side-effect-free

or at least non-capturing

[prisma wave]

real languages fix this

[rotund egret]

Kotlin stays winning

[potent nest]

Kotlin is NOT a real language

[rotund egret]

Well that might be true

[prisma wave]

real languages fix this != all languages that fix this are real

[lone anvil]

Hey guys

Can anyone help me with something?

[oblique heath]

depends

[rotund egret]

I can't

[oblique heath]

i can help only if it involves camels

i'm in a camel mood today

[rotund egret]

Ocaml

[oblique heath]

true

id try my best if the help was ocaml related ngl

[brazen ether]

aghh

this is so frustrating

minecraft map colors are very limiting

it looks fucking green!

very little light colors sadly

better..

[slate elk]

was wondering guys

is there a way

to search videos from spesfic years on yt?

google didnt help.

done

thanks to Yapperyapps !!

[rotund egret]

No problem

[rotund egret]

Cursed?

[cerulean ibex]

that wont work so yeah probably

cuz E gets erased to Event which something something handler list idrk the bukkit event api sucks

[rotund egret]

This was simpler on Sponge 😦

[cerulean ibex]

i think u gotta use this

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/bukkit/org/bukkit/plugin/PluginManager.html#registerEvent(java.lang.Class,org.bukkit.event.Listener,org.bukkit.event.EventPriority,org.bukkit.plugin.EventExecutor,org.bukkit.plugin.Plugin)

[potent nest]

yes you want the registerEvent api instead

[cerulean ibex]

think for the listener param u just provide a blank listener idek what its for

[rotund egret]

I was wondering about that

[cerulean ibex]

it looks like the method was made to be called by registerEvents()

[inner umbra]

?

[cobalt marlin]

hella cursed and wont work afaik

[rotund egret]

Mmm yes I have done it, all thats to do is actually test it

[rotund egret]

It has begun 😌

[final hinge]

Beware of @mental locust for scamming.

[cobalt marlin]

why would you even take the "teach me how to code with only ai"

[final hinge]

Good way to have non coders interested in plugin creation

[rotund egret]

They don't need to be

[paper pine]

Is this the Deluxe Menus discord?

I need help

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @paper pine!

[distant sun]

@paper pine Yes, #general-plugins

[brazen ether]

coding with pure AI is never a good way to do anything

[wind patio]

I'm using ssh-actions (which logs in to a specific machine using SSH crendentials) in github with several commands:

though for some reason I get errors, that these commands dont exist.

anyone has any idea why?

well, nvm.

  export NVM_DIR=~/.nvm
  source ~/.nvm/nvm.sh

did the trick.

[crude cloud]

staffcp

[cinder flare]

most dangerous devops deployment lmao

[wind patio]

real

[cinder flare]

docker would be huge there honestly though

man i need to find a ci platform that doesn't mega suck

i hate writing weird custom yaml files with no like IDE completion help or anything

[wind patio]

docker 😩

[cinder flare]

no nvm when you can just install one version 😌

[lone anvil]

Can anyone please help me?

Im having problems with my plugin >_<

https://paste.md-5.net/efegakatey.java

So here’s the plugin

It’s basically a HoverText plugin

When u hover ur mouse on top of an username u get some info about that player. It’s all based on player.hasPermission()

But when I add this to my plugin folder

I automatically loose my prefixes on LuckPerms

So I added LuckPerms API, but when I write something

The console gives an error telling : can’t be initialised because this.luckperms is null

I can’t send screenshots so yea

[cobalt marlin]

you need to init the variables

or pass them in the constructor

[slender kiln]

Hey I might sound dump but do I have to host a server for me to test out my plugins? I'm new to this so

[wind patio]

no

u can do it on your pc

[pastel imp]

says that he will learn java first but proceeds to ask this question

lol

[wind patio]

lol wat

[pastel imp]

in another channel he asked how to start making plugins and I suggested to learn java basics first, gave him some courses, etc. He then said he would start with that but now asks how to test his plugins which means he totally ignored it and skipped it lmao.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wind patio]

or he absolutely demolished those courses and inhaled the knowledge and now he's done making plugins and now wants to test them

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1063981706064965812/1133649944054595646/shocked_reverse.gif

[slender kiln]

I'm just curious lmao

Ima taking the courses rn

Tbh

Most of it is just sae as js or other lang

Like the syntax and classes are new but still

[slender kiln]

Nah I'm not Einstein

[slender kiln]

Can I get the answer lmao just curious hehe

[pastel imp]

in 20mins?

[wind patio]

yes

[pastel imp]

if you arent coming from an OOP lang then its def. not the same xD

If I were to bet, you coming from python

Am I right?

[slender kiln]

Nope

[pastel imp]

sad

[slender kiln]

Hehe

Ik python

[pastel imp]

what lang?

[slender kiln]

Javascript

[pastel imp]

eh well javascript technically also has classes lol

[slender kiln]

It's different

[pastel imp]

but js and java are still quite a bit different

[slender kiln]

Ye

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-good-gif-24155544

[slender kiln]

Hehe

[pastel imp]

also your question was already answered

[slender kiln]

?

[pastel imp]

just run a local server

[slender kiln]

Oh just host one on my PC?

[pastel imp]

hmhm

for testing that is more than enough

[slender kiln]

K

Thanks lmao

Lemme go finish the course

Heh not sleeping today

[slender kiln]

I'm very smart

Trust

[wintry plinth]

Yooo @pastel imp https://x.com/joshtriedcoding/status/1781314782861091296?s=46 this is up your alley

Josh tried coding (@joshtriedcoding) on X

In the last week I created ProfanityAPI, a fast and open-source tool to filter toxic user-generated content.

◆ Much faster than AI
◆ Pretty damn accurate
◆ 100% free and open source

Built with @nextjs and @upstash, I'm very happy with the result.

→ https://t.co/WClnjJeoJo

Twitter · Apr 19, 2024, 1:31 PM

[potent nest]

the score seems to mean nothing? lol

also english only

[brazen ether]

is it in theory possible to port Chisel into a plugin

I feel like with block entities + some click detection it's very possible

[agile galleon]

Eh idk if 4000 block entites per block are good

If you keep the inside empty you'll save some

If you only render the outside, you'd need 1.3k block entities

Obv that increases/decreases slightly depending on what you've chiseled

[wind patio]

possible, yes
practical? unlikely

[brazen ether]

it would be funny

also yall

procedural animation via block entities

credit to bawnorton

ts is wild

[brazen ether]

I am just interested in doing something with the new player size feature and smth like Chisel seems like a fun proof of concept

[pastel imp]

eyo, got outplayed?

[wintry plinth]

The app?

[pastel imp]

I mean, it labeled "fuck you, that's cool" as toxic xD

[wintry plinth]

hahaha

[pastel imp]

wdym?

[wintry plinth]

I was confused by "got outplayed"

[pastel imp]

thought it was like a service or smmt

[wintry plinth]

I linked because you could use that for that thing you was building

[pastel imp]

ignore that

xD

[wintry plinth]

its open source too 😂

[pastel imp]

that's the coolest part xD

[wintry plinth]

Finally started using LLMs locally, instead of relying on chatgpt

[pastel imp]

Pog.

[pastel imp]

any recomendations on apps that are simple (no bloat) to test rest apis? (overall http requests)

[ocean quartz]

Httpie

[remote goblet]

dewicious

[wind patio]

you mean like postman?

IntelliJ has a quite simple http client

[pastel imp]

yes like postman

[pastel imp]

mhee

[wintry plinth]

I didn’t know this existed omg

[half harness]

what's bad about postman?

besides it not opening until the 10000th attempt

[half harness]

ooo I kinda knew about it but never used it

[ocean quartz]

Httpie is pretty simple and open source, I use it all the time https://httpie.io/

[oblique heath]

curl is pretty simple too 😏

for ad hoc testing i think curl is unironically a good choice

you can even get crafty with a bash script or makefile to bolster it a bit

[wintry plinth]

I use https://paw.cloud but mac only

[pastel imp]

bruh

[pastel imp]

yeah I saw that, was quite disappointed when I saw it was only for mac

like, tf

[pastel imp]

thanks

[bronze olive]

is there a way to set specific permissions to a player? like i set the permissions in the plugin.yml like this:
https://pastebin.com/8qJPg6rT
i want that one player can have the permission command.settings how can i set the player permission for that.

[wind patio]

yeah IntelliJ always has something up its sleeve

[wintry plinth]

I wish they’d make more progress on fleet though

[slender kiln]

Is the new ui in IntelliJ bugged

The cursor is soo annoying in the new ui

[wintry plinth]

I don’t notice it 😮 could you show what you mean?

[dawn hinge]

I don't notice it either

[slender kiln]

Ehh it's thing in settings

It says ui

[ocean quartz]

I've been using the new UI for quite a while, I have no idea what you mean by the cursor being annoying, never noticed anything wrong with it

[potent nest]

new ui works fine for me

[slender kiln]

Idk why

[wintry plinth]

I really love the new UI tbh

Couldn’t imagine going back to that old one now

[slender kiln]

My enter does not go to a new line for me

[wintry plinth]

It was so clunky in comparison

[wintry plinth]

Reset your keybinds

Go to your settings and type “Keymaps”

Then click the 3 dots, and I think there’s an option to reset it

[slender kiln]

Also uhh {} autocomplete does not work for if statement

[wintry plinth]

You could try reset your IDE completely, it’ll automatically make a backup anyway in case you need to revert back

Click file -> IDE settings (I think it’s called) -> Reset

[slender kiln]

K

I'll try

[signal forge]

hello i need help with a thing i want to do in a menu.

[slender kiln]

What do you want

[slender kiln]

Like what do you want to do?

[signal forge]

i want to make just a rotating sytem of heads in the menu

[slender kiln]

It's not like I can help but more explanation will make it easier for others to help you

Lmao

[signal forge]

5 seconds: head 1
5 seconds: head 2
5 seconds: head 3

that in bucle

do u understand me?

[slender kiln]

Like a single slot?

[signal forge]

ye

all in the same slot

[slender kiln]

Idk if there is a function to clear an storage

But if there is then u could just use a for loop

And wait 5 sec

[signal forge]

how to make a loop

[ocean quartz]

You two are probably not talking about the same thing, if this is about DeluxeMenus you're in the wrong channel, #general-plugins would be the right place

[slender kiln]

Lmao

Me typing the whole loop for you

[stuck minnow]

Hi ! is there a discord server for DeluxeMines ? On spigot https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/deluxemines-⚡️-holograms-effects-⭐fawe-support-async-resets-1-8-8-1-20-✨.104917/ link is not working

[pastel imp]

Just because the name contains "Deluxe" does not mean it is related to DeluxeMenus, etc. The plugin seems to be abandonned in some way since it hasn't had any updates in months.

Also, wrong channel

[stuck minnow]

Okay, config file contains similar to deluxe minus config for GUI, I thought its related

[cobalt marlin]

does it also feel sluggish to you sometimes since last 2? versions

[static zealot]

I've been using the new ui pretty much since alpha and I've never really had problems with it. It does not feel any slower than the old ui. And I've been using both. The old one for work and the new one for personal stuff (different computers).

[static zealot]

BTW, there is a discord link in the spigot page you linked that you can use.

[cobalt marlin]

its not always, maybe due to my plugins idk but sometimes typing is delayed and thats with 8gbs given to ij. got much better when they removed the ai assistant forced inclusion so my bet is that honestly.

[ocean quartz]

I don't have any issues with it, maybe when I'm hosting a server inside IJ but that's not really a UI problem

[crude cloud]

i don't get why people give a bajillion gb of ram to intellij

i give it two and it always works wonders

[agile galleon]

You can give IJ more ram?

I thought it just takes what it needs ahahah

[wintry plinth]

I allocated it 5gb oops, though I never see it use above 1gb

[crude cloud]

it runs on the jvm, you put the limit to the jvm, but by default it'll set its max at startup if you don't

[wintry plinth]

I do this for phpstorm mainly, but kinda pointless as it’s always low usage

[wind patio]

tell it to my bazzilion of plugins with memory leaks

[crude cloud]

i have less than the ones that come enabled by default lol

• mc dev

[rotund egret]

Whose running a bazillion plugins in dev

[wintry plinth]

Do you toggle the defaults off? I try to toggle as much of them as possible

As I don’t need half of them

Twig, subversion, etc

[crude cloud]

i disable a bunch of them

[ocean quartz]

I have 45 plugins and just 3gb allocated

[cobalt marlin]

big code base

dont think plugins take that much honestly

[pastel imp]

actually, I always wondered how you display several projects in the nav... like in uh netbeans

like in netbeans you can access them all directly

[ocean quartz]

How big of a codebase are we talking? Because this is mine

[ocean quartz]

You can't

[pastel imp]

sad life

actual sadness

switches to netbeans

(joking)

[final pine]

Hey guys, had a question. Does anyone know how I could go about making a /enchanting command that would bring up the enchanting table UI (as if interacting with a enchanting table) instead of letting someone directly enchant items like the essentials /enchant command does?

[cobalt marlin]

around the same, i could probably do with 3 - 4 but i got 48 gbs so might as well

default of 2 is not enough though

[wintry plinth]

Holy fuck what is this, some server core?

[wintry plinth]

Ive got 64gb, and yet phpstorm only allocate like 1-2gb at max

[crude cloud]

I work on a big codebase and 2 is fine for me lol

[cobalt marlin]

3 would be enough unless i am indexing a new project probably

[crude cloud]

yeah fair

but then you have Charlie over here giving it his entire system memory

[cobalt marlin]

and theres still 30ish gigs free regardless so, i dont see why not give it a bigger max heap

[wintry plinth]

🫣 - I sometimes wonder how much ram I truly need for day to day.

I self-host an analytics database on my laptop, plus phpstorm, IntelliJ, Minecraft etc day to day

[wind patio]

idk ive been rocking 32g for a while now, havent had any issues

16 seemed not enough

[cobalt marlin]

i upped my 16 with 16x2 so 48 now

[ocean quartz]

It's very hard with 16, specially when you're dealing with mc

[cobalt marlin]

anything development honestly, i do some unreal as well and its hell on 16

[wintry plinth]

I find the 64gb handy as it gives you leg room, but I don’t know what my average is day to day

I’ve been diving into using LLMs locally, and my Mac semi struggles, I need 128gb ram, but can’t justify the price

[crude cloud]

"need" is a strong word lmao

what you need is a second computer to offload that stuff to

[cobalt marlin]

i feel like once you need 64+ you need to go remote

[cobalt marlin]

ye exactly lmao

[wind patio]

brov

[pastel imp]

where th do y'all see those stats

[wind patio]

statistic plugin

[ocean quartz]

Tbh if the project was in Java instead of Kotlin it'd be quite a lot more lines

[wintry plinth]

Yessss, I need one beast of a machine 😂

[lone anvil]

Hey guys

Could anyone help me in something?

[crude cloud]

oh boy

[mellow coral]

@brittle fox Is 99.9% likely to be a scammer - be extremely cautious!

If any moderators see that ^, I'd look into removing them.

I'm out $15 but it could've been a lot more & they want an upfront crypto payment + refusing to use a reputable middleman. They left this server & blocked me - I hope they don't just create a new account. They wasted 3+ days of my time & a tiny bit of money, unfortunately.

[ashen whale]

how do i make one of those hologram like giant banners that just stay in the same spot

[pastel imp]

anyone that asks for crypto should not be trusted. Even more if they ask payment upfront with crypto lmao. Also, report him with @compact perch

[cobalt marlin]

cries in paypal banned

[static zealot]

eh

[half harness]

They left this server

Barry can't do much when barry isn't in the same server

[pastel imp]

he can still be banned lol

[static zealot]

well, yes. but some staff members might be able to

[pastel imp]

banning him would avoid him joining again and doing the same

[west nimbus]

hello
@EventHandler
fun onNPC(event: NPCCollisionEvent) {
val p: Player = event.collidedWith as Player
val knockbackVector = event.collidedWith.location.direction.multiply(-0.8).setY(0.1)
event.collidedWith.velocity = knockbackVector
}
I wrote a small addon for citizens so that when the player pushes them, the player is thrown back, but for some reason it doesn’t work, can you help?

[static zealot]

First things first, have you made sure that your function is reached? You can do that pretty easily by printing something inside the function.

[west nimbus]

I printed print("1") after almost every line, nothing happened(

[mental locust]

?

who ping me

[static zealot]

Have you registered your listener?

[west nimbus]

yes

server.pluginManager.registerEvents(CitizenVelocity(), this)

can u help me?

[remote goblet]

if you're registering the event and nothing is happening, the event isnt firing which you'll have to figure it out...

[mellow coral]

I don't know about that - I think crypto is okay to pay. I mean, you're basically bashing the entirety of cryptocurrency at that point.

Upfront without reassurances (aside from talk), middleman, or whatnot is the suspicious part.

[rotund egret]

Lmao

Cope

Oh you're the one that got scammed. Even funnier

[pastel imp]

bashing the entirety of cryptocurrency that's exactly what I am doing..

95% of the people that mess around with crypto are full of bullshit

crypto is cool in the technical side, concept, how it works and all, but most of the people involved in it, are just pure shit people.

[rotund egret]

The thing about ponzi schemes is that not everyone is getting scammed, just the people on the bottom.

[agile galleon]

the benefits of crypto just get exploited by all the shit people in this world which makes crypto have a bad reputation

[rotund egret]

That might mean something

[wind patio]

yeah like

crypto is shit

[agile galleon]

i wouldnt say crypto is itself shit, just the people using it

[wind patio]

so that makes it kinda shit

imo

[pastel imp]

Just like Skript, the concept is cool, but the people that use it make it bad

or well, 95% of the people

[storm kelp]

the benefits of crypto are kind of directed towards shit people to begin with

[lavish notch]

Decentralised Currency isn't really Decentralised as well lol. Central places are often used like Bianance.

[lone anvil]

Hey guys

Anyone willing to help me?

In a plugin?

Something isn’t working in my code

[inner umbra]

If binance went down, only people that store their crypto there would be affected. The whole point of decentralized currency is so a single person or company doesn't have control over it.

[lavish notch]

Exactly, which isn't the case with most of crypto currently lol.

[inner umbra]

I think you underestimate how many people have their own "network" running at home.

[lavish notch]

Noted

[prisma wave]

some random guy running a few hashes on their gpu is basically worthless

in both PoW and PoS systems

[inner umbra]

Wasn't talking about mining. Thats a whole other story lol

[prisma wave]

then what?

[inner umbra]

Currency storage

[prisma wave]

what… having a local wallet?

[inner umbra]

I'm probably using the wrong words here.

I was talking about how the "network" keeps track of funds, transactions etc... mining is included in that "network" but it's another side to it.

[prisma wave]

correct me if im wrong but are they not like... the same thing

mining is how you keep track of transactions

by verifying hashes

[pastel imp]

yes

mining is verifying hashes

basically

and you get rewarded by verifying them

[brazen ether]

I want to keep a centralized json file online for a project to access, like an API. is GitHub a good way to do this? for context, I am trying to collect data and aggregate it in one place from which each client and upload and load a json file

[cobalt marlin]

sounds like REST

[brazen ether]

yes

[wind patio]

postgres vs mysql/mariadb for minecraft servers? pros cons?

[pastel imp]

private or public repo? If public, it makes your life way easier. But yes, In general I think it's good. I use github as "storage" for several files of data for a discord bot of mine. But my use case is because I need them to be easily accessible by other people so that they can PR + versioning.

[brazen ether]

public

alright thank you

I am not very experienced with web related stuff so was just looking for advice

[pastel imp]

mysql is mostly the recommended, since all hosts provide a free mysql db, you can assume almost everyone has a mysql db and is familiar with it.

[pastel imp]

NP. it being public simplified stuff since you can just access the raw file via a link and voila. If it were private, you would require using the api which is a bit slower (not that noticeable)

[wind patio]

yeah, I suppose so, I used both, just wondering if I should switch to postgres and if there won't be any caviats, since in theory it's faster than mysql

[pastel imp]

personal use?

[wind patio]

no, for the server

[pastel imp]

but like, your own server or public plugin

[wind patio]

oh, well, own

[pastel imp]

because if it's for your own, then it changes a bit

[wind patio]

I suppose it's a question of whether the plugins support it

[pastel imp]

Well, in that case, yes, there are differences. MariaDB is seen as a more performant mysql in a nutshell

[pastel imp]

public plugins? Eh... usually they don't support postgres.

so I would go with mariadb

since mariadb is basically a fork of mysql, anything that works with mysql, works with mariadb

So yeah, would go with mariadb. More scalable and faster.

there are some small differences between the two like how they handle json although, if you store json in an sql db, you probably not structuring your project well...

for json, mysql if I am not mistaken stores it in binary and mariadb stores them as strings

there are also some security improvements but not rlly relevant

[cinder flare]

most plugins don't support it and i doubt they're doing stuff complicated enough to benefit from postgres a lot

for like, a website or something, postgres is obviously far superior, but for mc stuff it doesn't really matter, just run maria

[potent nest]

SQLite

[crude cloud]

SQLDN

[cinder flare]

i mean, half the point is synchronization/access to/from other servers

so sqlite wouldn't be very effective at that lol

[crude cloud]

symlink it

[half harness]

wait if this is public, then wouldn't you have to give your account credentials or a key publically?

[oblique heath]

yeah git(hub) does not seem like a good solution, you probably want an actual backend that clients can interfact with (like others have said, REST)

[brazen ether]

what service should I use for this then?

[oblique heath]

you can implement it the same way you implement any webserver backend, and use any hosting provider to run it

[brazen ether]

any free ones you recommend?

[oblique heath]

oracle has a generous free tier if you can get it

other cloud providers also have free tiers if you shop around, usually not as much but maybe enough for this purpose

you can also selfhost it

[brazen ether]

would rather not on my machine and don't have a spare for the purpose. thanks for the recommendation!

[obtuse gale]

What are the most used cpus in minecraft server hostings? Im talking about performance

[oblique heath]

ryzen 5xxx or 7xxx are pretty popular i think

[terse elbow]

why do i not have permissions to change my name in this server

[pastel imp]

because you don't? uh?

I think it's mainly for safety reasons?

[rotund egret]

I don't have cinematics, I exclusively use live action shots for any of my ads

[wind patio]

I use live action shots for in-game stuff

[rotund egret]

Oh yeah I just send them a youtube link and then wait for them to respond to a survey about how they liked it before they can enter

[wind patio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk1tuUUOnjo&ab_channel=SethBling

[brazen ether]

1.20.5 moment

[surreal garnet]

Normal food? Nah. Oak Fence Gate? Yeppers.

[quiet sierra]

p sure I've done that on 1.14 before

[mellow coral]

Does anyone know an API (or something) for in-game statistics? Looking into adding custom achievements that would work with it as well.

I essentially want to show in-game stats on my website; username/if online, playtime, deaths, blocks mined, achievements earned (+ custom ones possibly).

[brazen ether]

nothing new ig then

[quiet sierra]

well I did it with retextured golden apples

And a lot of emulation

[quiet sierra]

There's PlayerAnalytics

But you basically just want to push stuff to an InfluxDB database and render stuff

[slate elk]

hello everyone

long time

tony falk is back

😮

[plucky heron]

Does anyone know how to setup deluxe tags with Luck Perms?

[mellow coral]

that will show playtime, blocks mined, etc & achievements + custom ones?

https://www.playeranalytics.net/

on a public view for all to view

[brazen ether]

this is using 1 line of code

and nbt

and also has completely custom eating times

[pastel imp]

analyse on top

[brazen ether]

the rust propaganda is filling my feeds and it is workin

should i learn it

[rotund egret]

Yes

Rust is good

It's actually kinda tough to learn but once you get the hang of it it's really not that bad.

The lifetime stuff seems spooky, but it's actually pretty intuitive

• Cargo is so much easier to use over gradle

[cobalt marlin]

that depends on what you are switching from imho

[rotund egret]

I mean, once you learn them they're not hard.
I went from Java/Kotlin into Rust, the documentation is amazing and the little interactive rust project for learning is great too

I guess if you went in from python you might have a bad day

[cobalt marlin]

if you have done some low level languages, its really not that bad

[potent nest]

low level or not doesn't really matter, but you need to understand type systems

[rotund egret]

True, rust has no polymorphism and no interfaces

I mean I guess in a sense it has poly, just not in the same way OOP langs have it

[potent nest]

Rust has more than enough OOP features

[rotund egret]

Sure

[crude cloud]

does it have Java?

[rotund egret]

FFI and then sure

[potent nest]

no, Java has LinkedList

[crude cloud]

💪 💯

[dry coral]

how do you all sync data across multiple servers when you have volatile things such as coins etc

Because stuff like coins can change nearly every second, and when you’ve got 100 players on each instance it starts to become quite heavy to update the database on write

On the other hand, when you have local caching things can become out of sync very easily

e.g server 1 has local cache and crashes, therefore not saving data.

Hell you could even create an attack where player 1 transfers to player 2 coins, player 2 leaves the server and their new coin amount is saved, and player 1 used a crash exploit and isnt saved, resulting in a dupe (obviously this is a hypothetical scenario)

The option I’ve been looking into is a custom application that centralizes all DB operations in a queue, and will have a cache with a TTL (remove if not accessed x time)

Something like all write operations get saved to cache and written to DB
Read operations are retrieved from cache, and if not found then from DB

Anyone got any other ideas/suggestions?

[wind patio]

use a messaging (producer/listener) system such as apache pulsar, rabbitmq and whatnot

imo

[agile galleon]

You can update a database every second with no major performance impact

If it gets bigger I'd recommend a one source of truth system where each instance makes a request to that service that then keeps only one instance so no shit can happen via some messaging thing or HTTP requests, whatever you like

[rain halo]

that sprite rendering plugin in #showcase looks incredible, can the OP please put a github link in chat

I really wanna check out the code for that

[dry coral]

Implemented this

A http service (written in python since very easy) which just takes put/get operations and has an internal TTL cache (a mapping of db->collection->field, so it would cache all db objects according to uuid field in collection users in db test-db)

Was not actually that difficult to make, both the plugin + service side

[dry coral]

Not as useful since I dont need to really communicate between servers, moreso just need an efficient one source of truth

[pastel imp]

I have a feeling an http server for this is slower than a db lol

mariadb does the job fast

[dry coral]

i'd like to use mongo though

due to it being nosql

@pastel imp A local http server would seem faster to me if it does in memory caching no?

I mean the only benefit of the http server is the caching, otherwise it would be redundant

[pastel imp]

what's up with people loving nosql nowadays xD

[pastel imp]

same as having smt like redis, stored in memory too

[dry coral]

It's really good for something that might have many new features added

[dry coral]

True, but it's honestly easier to maintain a custom tailored http server

And the http server handles saving to cache + mongo on write, and reads from cache on read (or retrieves from mongo if not in cache and then saves to cache)

[pastel imp]

make sure to secure it though ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dry coral]

Yeah haha

don't want people randomly putting data in db

@pastel imp you dislike nosql?

also i hope i convinced you a bit, if i didnt i'd love for you to tell me why im doing something terrible lmao

^ regarding the http server

[pastel imp]

yesno, I see the use of nosql and use it in some places but usually think sql is better in 95% of the cases and people just use nosql cause it is somewhat easier in their eyes and they don't have to deal with making a proper db structure

[pastel imp]

Eh I see your points.

[dry coral]

honestly agreed, though I was working on a project earlier this year. Used MySQL and honestly realized it'd be quite a pain (as well as a bit scary) to update things in prod whenever I wanted a new feature added. NoSQL just lets me add it in the code, and if it doesnt exist just set it

though obviously its possibly in sql

[pastel imp]

Yeah, although that is also why you usually deploy stuff to a dev env.

[dry coral]

Ofcourse haha

[pastel imp]

I also like the fact that with sql you can do much more things easily like idk, sorting per fields, getting entries in a timeframe, and many more which are either not possible or trickier to do in nosql

[dry coral]

True, I guess it depends on use case

[pastel imp]

You may be able to do it programatically but there is a huge advantage if its done directly in the sql

[dry coral]

It is quicker tbh

which is a good point

[agile galleon]

If it works with http, that's fine

If it's too slow, which I doubt, rewrite it to use some messaging thingy

The only thing you gotta worry about is the Vault implementation

[dry coral]

Hm why vault?

[agile galleon]

Because it's not async

[dry coral]

ouch right

[agile galleon]

I implemented some careful caching on each server

[dry coral]

in what sense

[agile galleon]

And for your use case a messaging thing to update each server's cache when a transaction happens

[dry coral]

Right but sounds kinda silly to update cache on a server that the user isnt playing on

[agile galleon]

True

Just maybe you have cross server transactions

[dry coral]

Scariest thing is that the http server will hang (or crash) and cause the server to literally die

[agile galleon]

Make it redundant or maybe self rebooting idk

[dry coral]

I think timeouts + auto reboot should solve that

[pastel imp]

easy solution, don't use it

[agile galleon]

No

[pastel imp]

wdym no

it is a solution

instead of using Vault is smt like Treasury

way better

[flint crow]

???

whats the issue w vault

💀

[agile galleon]

If all required plugins had support for that hahah

[agile galleon]

youre not a dev right?

[flint crow]

correct

[agile galleon]

basically

[rotund egret]

Vault is something that should've been in the api blessed be SpongeAPI

[pastel imp]

skill issue if they don't, no cap.

[agile galleon]

okay?

doesn't help the case though

[pastel imp]

you can always ask them to support it xD

[agile galleon]

"what's Treasury"

"Vault isn't bad"

[pastel imp]

in short terms, outdated.

[agile galleon]

"Get off of my lawn you creep"

"Don't have time"

"The plugin is abandoned"

[pastel imp]

if they say that, then they are a spigot simp

[flint crow]

why does vault need to be updated

[rotund egret]

Vault doesn't support multiple currencies does it?

[agile galleon]

lemme explain

[pastel imp]

nop

[agile galleon]

vault is so simple you could make it in an hour

[rotund egret]

Hardly a fault

[agile galleon]

if you think about whats missing it is

[wind patio]

would there be any issues if one would replace Vault with Treasury? Say missing balances or smt

[rotund egret]

It's years old, it had everything it needed for its time fwiw

[pastel imp]

Vault doesn't support multi currencies, concurrency sucks, stores data with playernames instead of uuid, you can't have an "bank/currency" account shared by several people (treasury specific thing), and not async.

[pastel imp]

treasury is not a drop-in replacement to vault

it can actually work side by side with vault though

[wind patio]

ah, sad

[agile galleon]

the biggest issue is that Vault doesn't support async requests, so when a player buys something, the economy plugin ideally has to make a request to the database or some other server, which can take it's time (1-4ms usually) which stalls the server for that duration. If that duration happens to be longer that sucks too, but this usually forces devs to have some sort of cache to decrease those times to a few instructions, but caching can itself get asynchronus from the actual data in the database, which sucks very much

[rotund egret]

Sponge stays winning

[pastel imp]

The issue is that vault is too popular. If people pushed for Treasury or similar, god, the world would be a better world.

[agile galleon]

this ^

or if Spigot marketplace finally died and not 80% of all customers would buy from a platform where Spigot dependency is mandatory

[pastel imp]

https://github.com/ArcanePlugins/Treasury/wiki/Comparison-to-other-APIs summarizes it pretty well

[rotund egret]

I thought you said it was new

[pastel imp]

oh yeah, it's also multi-platform

[pastel imp]

never said it was new xD

[agile galleon]

its not new

[rotund egret]

That's what I said

[pastel imp]

I mean

[agile galleon]

nobody claimed so?

[pastel imp]

it's from 2023

not that old lol

[rotund egret]

ok

True

[agile galleon]

1.1.0 dates back to 17th February 2022

[pastel imp]

hasn't gotten updated in 7 months but it's not like these types of stuff require that many updates.

[pastel imp]

or well, there ya go

[rotund egret]

Let it sit for 7 years and it'll be mature enough

[pastel imp]

doubt it

people/devs are too brainwashed rn

[rotund egret]

True, use Sponge

[pastel imp]

the issue is that a decent amount of the very big plugins are made by people that are from the "sPigOt Is wAY bEtteR tHaN PaPEr UwU" category

so you can easily assume, they will stick with the 1.8 support and with vault

lol

[pastel imp]

but yeah, this basically explains everything

it also explains why Treasury is so much better lol

oh yeah forgot treasury also has transaction history

[cinder flare]

using migrations properly solves this problem 100%

you have a safe, reversible, and easy to use way to keep your database schema always up to date

and then you still get all the benefits of SQL, like having strong typing and schemas and all that

even better if you use an ORM, doing migrations through Django is literally the easiest thing in the world

Laravel is similar, though a bit more DIY

[rotund egret]

Your cursed code for the day

//Kotlin 1.3 :(
fun <T> Optional<T?>.getOrNull(): T? {
    return try {
        orElseGet(null)
    } catch (e: NullPointerException) {
        null
    }
}```

[crude cloud]

uhh

why would that....

I'll just forget about it

[rotund egret]

I assume you mean why would that throw an NPE and that is because orElseGet throws an NPE if other is null

Which FWIW you could just use #get() and then catch a NoSuchElement exception

[crude cloud]

hear me out

[rotund egret]

Or just use an if statement and isPresent

[crude cloud]

orElse(null)

[rotund egret]

but that's so much cooler

kt 1.3 emi

😦

[crude cloud]

what about it

[rotund egret]

Doesn't have that method

or java8 I guess idk

[crude cloud]

but Optional isn't from kotlin, isn't it?

[rotund egret]

Sucks to be this low

Wait I stg orElse wasn't there before

What was I using then

[crude cloud]

it's been a thing since Optional day 1 lol

[rotund egret]

I must've had a weird build issue then or something, I was looking for this thing for like 10 minutes

[crude cloud]

at least it wasn't an hour

... right?

[rotund egret]

oh wait getOrNull is what I was looking for

Which kotlin I think provides

Which is why I got mixed up

[crude cloud]

a

[rotund egret]

b

[rotund egret]

Imagine spending an hour looking for a method when you could use a javadoc right

[crude cloud]

right

[rotund egret]

I did spend an hour beating kotlin back into 1.12.2 trying to figure out how cursed my gradle build needed to be

[dry coral]

Hm interesting

Though in general player data makes more sense for a non relational db where im just storing key value pairs

[cinder flare]

Honestly it barely matters, you can store JSON blobs easily in every major DB and get the stability and reliability of a relational database that's been in production for like 30 years lol

[pastel imp]

I mean, that kinda goes against the objective of a relational db but it is possible yes

usually not recommended to store json (at a big scale like all player data) in a table

for that use columns for each

[dry coral]

I mean

Once you store json

[pastel imp]

using json in sql also removes several features

[dry coral]

you literally have no use in sql

[pastel imp]

yesish

[dry coral]

Might as well just use nosql

[rotund egret]

The trick is to store a mongodb reference in the sql stable so you can lookup json data

[pastel imp]

you still have a stable and fast way of accessing them

but at that point

just use mongodb with indexes

[dry coral]

Yeah exactly

[pastel imp]

indexing exists in mongodb

but I personally think storing data in json (whether it is stored in sql or nosql db) is bad practice.

[rotund egret]

Cursed behaviors are best though

[ocean quartz]

Storing json in sql is fine depending on how you do it

[pastel imp]

not ideal nor recommended though.

[dry coral]

Yeah well if its your whole player data its stupid

[pastel imp]

kinda goes against the whole idea of a table at that point xD

[dry coral]

I mean mongodb is json structure so not sure what your point is @pastel imp

[ocean quartz]

"not ideal" depends a lot on what exactly you're storing

[pastel imp]

point is, use sql, not nosql (or sql with json)

[dry coral]

Why

I havent seen a good reason as to why yet

[pastel imp]

on this specific case (and 98% of the cases) it is not

[ocean quartz]

If you are storing it to access different bits of the json then yes, if you are storing the json itself as a serialized object then it is totally fine

[pastel imp]

already stated several reasons before

[dry coral]

What does SQL get me that fits my use case

[ocean quartz]

98% is very wrong, I can think of many many cases that it is very useful

[pastel imp]

just because you can think of several does not mean that they are actually the case though

there are several good ways to use skript

yet 98% use it the wrong way

lol

[dry coral]

your previous reasons

[pastel imp]

stupid example but you get the point

[dry coral]

None of these help with the use case

Its features I dont need

[pastel imp]

questionable actually, I would argue you are doing some things programatically that could be done in sql directly

[dry coral]

Probably

[ocean quartz]

No but you are only looking at it from the perpective of storing json to then get specific data from the structure instead of the entire object

[pastel imp]

feels like this is a whole lot similar to the whole "what's the best IDE" topic lol

[dry coral]

I think its an interesting topic

I could never figure out which use case fits which DB

[ocean quartz]

A real example, you have a sealed object that has many different implementations, like let's say an asset, you store the entire object as serialized json then deserialize when getting it, a very common usecase of it

[pastel imp]

depending on how you use it, that's the main way of using sql (or well most common), mariadb queries are fast enough that they can be basically done on-demand, no need to store/cache anything I would argue.

For things that are permanently updated, sure, making a query every second is not ideal

[ocean quartz]

What

[dry coral]

I mean lets say I want to store a users level, coins, and pets, with a high probability of new fields being added later on (and for each pet we also have extra things such as health, damage, level, type etc)

[prisma wave]

caching is more for network conditions than anything else

and scalability

[dry coral]

Seems like your average minecraft use case

What would be the pros of each DB in this case

[cinder flare]

I don't really agree

if your data is always going to be stored and accessed together, it can be extremely useful and performant to store JSON blobs

[ocean quartz]

Don't forget this exists https://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/datatype-json.html

[cinder flare]

basically the same as serializing anything anyways, like if you were storing player inventories or something, you'd store it as base64, which is basically the same thing lol

[pastel imp]

I know it exists xD

[dry coral]

Right but again that sounds like your typical nosql use case. What doing using sql give you in this case

[pastel imp]

I agree, but at that point why use sql for it when you have dbs specifically for that?

[prisma wave]

sql scales better
nosql is more flexible

[crude cloud]

erm but what about the case where your data sucks dick? it is extremely non performant

[cinder flare]

All the things I listed above, reliability, consistency, easy interoperability, etc.

[pastel imp]

good way of putting it

[ocean quartz]

And also I hate this whole "you're not supposed to", "not ideal", every use case is different for everyone, you use what makes more sense to you

[cinder flare]

Like, I wouldn't trust basically any NoSQL database to store any data I care about

[prisma wave]

simply get better data

[cinder flare]

besides maybe Mongo just because it's been out so long, but meh

[dry coral]

Yeah but that reliability snd consistency gets thrown out the window the second you have your data be a json blob

[cinder flare]

every time i think of Mongo, I think of "MongoDB is web scale"

[prisma wave]

MongoDatabase

songoda

[cinder flare]

hardly

[dry coral]

No not hardly

[pastel imp]

I have been stating my whole conversation as my point of view, not as a professional btw*

[cinder flare]

you can have JSON implementations that don't allow invalid JSON

and like, it's just one tool in the toolbox

[pastel imp]

same

[dry coral]

Like a fixed json schema!

[cinder flare]

if you're always going to be serializing/deserializing it anyways, it's no problem to store it like that

[dry coral]

?

[cinder flare]

yeah sure

[dry coral]

I think SQL suits more for predictable data

Thats my issue with json blobs

You dont know the length

[cinder flare]

I mean I guess I'll put it this way

I don't trust anything else to store my data reliably

[pastel imp]

everything is possible both ways technically, the thing is, in one you might have X built-in while in the other you have to do it yourself programatically I would assume

[dry coral]

Valid

I mean

I have a question

[cinder flare]

So being able to have normal SQL normalized data, and JSON blobs, and base64, and anything in one consistent database is very nice to have

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @dry coral!

[crude cloud]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @dry coral!

[pastel imp]

You technically do though, no? you are the developer setting the rules, it's not like a user can come and just "here, I will add this here and there"

[dry coral]

Same thing with NoSQL

Thats my point

[pastel imp]

I am speaking about nosql lol

[dry coral]

Ah I was speaking about json blobs in an sql table

[pastel imp]

the whole argument of "predictable data" is not valid imo

[prisma wave]

i have a question

[compact perch]

There is no time to wait! Ask your question @prisma wave!

[pastel imp]

since you still have to specify the format if you want to properly serialize it afterwards.

[rotund egret]

ask

[pastel imp]

in both cases, you, the developer, have to know what data is going to get stored.

[prisma wave]

no thank you

[pastel imp]

lol

[dry coral]

Right but then at that point whats the difference except that SQL is more of a pain in the ass

The whole reason why SQL is such a pain is because its meant to be strict

[pastel imp]

it's more of a pain in the ass if you want it to be a pain in the ass tbh

I come from the group that hated sql.

Like, really hated it.

Until I took the time to learn it and actually see how it works

[dry coral]

I say this coming from someone who all day works with SQL

[pastel imp]

now I hardly use nosql

[dry coral]

At work

Im trying to get a different perspective

[pastel imp]

Well, maybe I haven't worked with SQL enough like you, but I don't find it a pain personally.

I think it also depends a lot on organization and tooling, for instance, someone who blindly creates an sql structure won't go far lmao

planning an sql db is quite important imo

[dry coral]

I guess I’ll make my point clearer

[pastel imp]

and it has quite an affect on how optimized queries are going to be too.

[dry coral]

For minecraft I think people blindly go to SQL for no reason

[pastel imp]

false.

[ocean quartz]

I am yet to see an instance where query optimization matters

[pastel imp]

The MAIN reason people go with sql in minecraft is because 99% of mc hosts provide a free mysql db

that's straight facts

[crude cloud]

wat

[dry coral]

Also true

I think I want to understand more how you know you’re going with the correct DB

[pastel imp]

tell that to Hangar xD, they just optimized a query that was taking ViaVersion page to load 7s to ~150ms

[crude cloud]

it is absolutely true, many people in mc plugins use sql because they use yaml for storage and they're told to use sql without explaining why, so they blindly follow that without knowledge

[dry coral]

I think something like player data storage

[pastel imp]

you don't. there is no correct db specifically

[dry coral]

Suits nosql

[pastel imp]

At the end of the day, if you are not a big corporation, you go with what you feel most comfy with

[dry coral]

Because all I want is to query a UUID and get all player data

[pastel imp]

okay yes, true

[dry coral]

And for sql option 1 is to build clunky queries yourself, or option 2 is to use ORM which is bloat

[pastel imp]

player data storage is a vague term, I can see several instances where I would prefer sql, so as said, it comes down to preference

[dry coral]

Ttue

True

I think its a mix

[pastel imp]

I mean, you could in theory always use both

when in doubt, use both

xD

[dry coral]

Agreed

[crude cloud]

you should use C structs and save their memory contents directly to a file

[dry coral]

Lmao

[pastel imp]

dies

[crude cloud]

just wait until you find out that's technically UB :^)

[pastel imp]

lol

[ocean quartz]

Here is an interesting thing on the topic of sql, when we first released MCCI we had huge issues with our progression service, some times things were hours behind since every few ingestions would add up
The main culprit was insertion and deletion, we spent the first week working on it, average requests were taking 500ms to 1s due to the huge amount of data
Batch insertion and deletion, plus some changes to the logic and it went down to around 50ms, some other changes later it is down to 1 to 5 ms, now our "bottleneck" is network calls between microservices

[pastel imp]

interesting

[cinder flare]

I mean it's the same reason you use typed languages. The reason I like Java over Python is because the strictness prevents issues and makes me conform to a good schema

[crude cloud]

the speed of your queries won't depend on what db you use, but how shit of a programmer you are (+ network latency, but your querying techniques are what matter the most)

[cinder flare]

Something people falsely think about in NoSQL is that you don't have to design a schema - you do, it just is implicit and not strictly defined, your code will always expect a certain structure, it's just really useful to put that information in the database instead of just hoping the data is correctly formed

[crude cloud]

reminds me of some conference keynote where people were flaming on NTFS being slow, but what they were doing was opening and closing files just for querying tiny things from them a bajillion times, and like, yeah any FS is gonna be shit that way

[pastel imp]

yes, making a good query and db structure are very important things. Although, I do think that sql is still faster than sql in large scale.

[dry coral]

Very good point

I guess my main dislike is the clunkiness, if I’m expecting a certain schema anyway its easier to just serialize/deserialize json than build SQL queries

Though might be worth looking into

[crude cloud]

i mean, there are solutions for that streamline that process

just like there are solutions that streamline the creation of json from some object

it's not like you're gonna manually write every character in the json string

[cinder flare]

yeah or like use an ORM

[ocean quartz]

I do think that sql is still faster than sql
Very profound :)

[pastel imp]

wait

[crude cloud]

i kinda wanna try jb exposed out

[pastel imp]

brain bugged there

[pastel imp]

meant nosql lmao

:-:

brain froze there

[dry coral]

I mean true

[dry coral]

Used hibernate in my last plugin

Felt like a lot of bloat and clunkiness

I mean on one hand its nice

[pastel imp]

ever tried jooq?

[cinder flare]

yeah Hibernate kinda sucks

[dry coral]

On the other hand I dislike how it can lead to some unexpected behaviours something because it’s a bit voodoo magic under the hood

Same with sqlalchemy in python

[rotund egret]

exposed is kinda nice

[pastel imp]

kotlin though no?

[rotund egret]

Emi brought it up, but yes

[dry coral]

Overall nice, just dislike how difficult it is to debug. ORM itself is also pretty slow and inefficient

[pastel imp]

I dislike ORMs personally tbh

[cinder flare]

idk I'm more into like Django ORM or Laravel Eloquent

[ocean quartz]

Exposed is pretty nice, but still waiting on composite keys 😔

[pastel imp]

Hence why I am going to be doing my own sql library sometime after exams

[crude cloud]

composite dn

[pastel imp]

also mainly for learning purposes but yeah

[dry coral]

Anyway if I use sql I think I’ll probably do it more explicit from noa

now*

I dont like not knowing exactly whats happening it leads to many bugs

[cinder flare]

many bugs? lmao

[rotund egret]

6 at least

[pastel imp]

lol

[dry coral]

you say otherwise?

[cinder flare]

I can hardly think of many times I've had bugs from ORMs

mostly just weird query plans or performance issues

[dry coral]

At work we use sqlalchemy

And just recently we discovered a bug

We want to insert X into db, now usually X has a reference to Y. The issue was that we updated Y in the db, but the reference X had wasnt up to date, and when we inserted X it rolled back Y

Seems obvious in hindsight

But when you have a huge codebase its very easy to miss those small things due to ORM making things rather implicit

And the issue with it is you don’t realize it immediately

[pastel imp]

wait even with an on update cascade constraint?

[cinder flare]

Yeah I haven't had issues like that

Django ORM and stuff just automatically manages relations like that

[pastel imp]

oh ok

[dry coral]

Dont remember the exact context

[dry coral]

Maybe worth looking into

[cinder flare]

yeah I've really liked my experiences with Django ORM and Laravel Eloquent

and a bit of Symfony's ORM

[dry coral]

Say, I’ve seen many people say that if you need to synchronize, don’t cache

What if you constantly need to update a value

Such as coins

Would you still not cache?

[pastel imp]

I suppose you would and every x time update it?

a bit tricky

[cinder flare]

I mean I would have a write through cache for that

[dry coral]

Right but it could get out of sync the second 2 servers have their own local cache

[cinder flare]

update the redis value + store to DB bulk

[pastel imp]

^^

[dry coral]

Currently what I do in the http server I wrote is write to cache and to db, and on read only read from cache

And since its centralized on the http server it shouldn’t be out of sync

[pastel imp]

depends, on transfering servers, make sure to update the db in the first server and then update it on the second server. You can always add a 500-1000ms delay before updating to make sure the db was updated. That delay is not really noticeable by players

[dry coral]

Feels hacky

[pastel imp]

makes sense, what's the issue then?

[dry coral]

No issue

[pastel imp]

it is hacky

[dry coral]

Looking for feedback

[pastel imp]

ah

[dry coral]

Like trying to see

Maybe I should just ditch it and stick to straight up db write/read

[pastel imp]

you could in theory use transfer/cookies now with a serialized/encoded number of coins, but cookies can be manipulated by players so

maybe if you encoded it and decoded on the server, even if they tried to manipulate it, you could just check it

just spitting random ideas out btw

no idea how feasable it is

[dry coral]

I mean

could sign it

and then verify it

[pastel imp]

yeah

heck you could potentially even use Vigenère cipher

old school

but unless the brute force it, could work lmao

although nowadays you have better solutions available easily

[prisma wave]

like 60% of all the possible C programs are gonna contain some UB haha

maybe more

[gusty fulcrum]

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[dawn hinge]

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[long dagger]

.

[crude cloud]

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[prisma wave]

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[ocean quartz]

⦿

[potent nest]

🌚

[crude cloud]

[prisma wave]

ahh clojure moon

a relic of a bygone era

[agile galleon]

Does anybody use clojure?

[prisma wave]

some people do yes

it's reasonably popular for like backend development i believe

https://clojure.org/community/success_stories

[pastel imp]

oh wait its a programming language?

I am confused

[prisma wave]

it is yes

mixed with the 🌚 emoji

[rotund egret]

Johnny is the only person that uses it

[agile galleon]

Pretty much

[prisma wave]

johnny and walmart

[cinder flare]

the two genders 😌

[pastel imp]

canceled

[cinder flare]

lmao

[rotund egret]

Multi-module jitpack is neat

[mental locust]

why tf am i services mute?

[wind patio]

skill issue

[sly sonnet]

cheater and a scammer lol

imagine

#cancelled

[rotund egret]

Not to step on any toes here, but
#off-topic message
I imagine bumping (a-la deleting and reposting)

but there's room to speculate on further reasons as well perhaps

[ocean quartz]

You're requesting for hacks and still wondering why you're mute? lol

[long dagger]

If I were to make a bukkit runnable and loop through every player and then do x on a timer, or create a bukkit runnable per person and do x on a timer, would the performance impact be noticable (player count at max would be like 50)

[cinder flare]

definitely make one runnable and iterate through the players

preferably async, if possible

[inner umbra]

If async you might as well do your own threading. Better control.

[cinder flare]

i mean i assume they'd be doing one run through in a not super significant amount of time

adding more threads into the mix for such a small amount of players would likely increase the overhead and not be worth it at all

[inner umbra]

Up to him really. Just throwing out the option.

[cinder flare]

lmao

[long dagger]

Ok yeah that is what I was thinking I just wasnt sure as the other was simpler for my use case

Also, when I am running Entity#getNearbyEntitys(int, int, int), the distance between the specific entity and the entities the function returned is sometimes greater than the distance I set in the parameters of the function. Like if I put 10 for all 3 of the parameters, sometimes an entity will show up at like 12 or 13 blocks. I assumed this was cause it was a bounding box, so I recalled highschool math and used some math to find the diagonal distance of a box, but nope, that value is too high. Idk what to do, is there any other reason the distance would be that high?

[cinder flare]

i'm pretty sure it's a radius

so the box will be 20x20x20

[long dagger]

yeah that is what I thought, but the documentation said it used a bounding box (can a bounding box be a circle?)

[long dagger]

but centered around the player, meaning a distance of 10 would be at the edge

[cinder flare]

yeah it makes a bounding box of 20x20x20

can't be a circle in minecraft lol

[long dagger]

which one is it?

cause both can work

but using math neither check out

cause if it was the box, than my 10*Math.sqrt(2) would have been the farthest a entity could be, but that was too high. But the circle obviously returns entities farther away than the radius of 10

[cinder flare]

a rectangular bounding box

not sure on the outside thing

[long dagger]

I give up

I am just gonna make my own nearby entities function that does it how I want lmao

[cinder flare]

oh duh it's a square

pythagorean theorem

max is ~14.14 in the corner

@long dagger lmao

[long dagger]

bruh

I said that

but that was to big

[long dagger]

right here

10*math.sqrt(2) = 14.14

[cinder flare]

well none of the examples you said are further

i wouldn't make your own, i was literally just looking at the code a bit ago and it's like 8 layers of culling and optimization to make it faster

[long dagger]

All I want is to grab the entities around a point, and then later determine if they have strayed away from it. When I did the pythagorean thearom, it removed them when they were 2-3 blocks past the point they were added, which is too far

[inner umbra]

If you want it done async you have to make your own.

[long dagger]

I also want it a circle

so yeah...

[cinder flare]

oh well

good luck i guess lol, gonna be a lot worse optimization wise

[cinder flare]

but this in my head, you would do the entities around a point once and then check after a delay the distance between em, doesn't even need to be square rooted

[long dagger]

cant be that much off. I just loop through chunks around player by radius, and add all entities, then filter by distance. (so that it is a circle and not square)