dev-general

[slate elk]

like self machines are good

its not over cheap its bulk sale over a selling less for more money

anyway hetzner network is not good its the main reason why they are bad beside it no scams or anything like that.

[humble prism]

own datacenter parks, they also usually choose cpus with lower power usage, also iirc they undervolt some of their cpus, etc etc

[wind patio]

hm

[slate elk]

its not about that

its about their datacenter ISP routes and shit

eletrcity bills arent pain if u can place ton of solar panels / renewing electrcity

[agile galleon]

Ehh I wouldn't say their routes are bad if that even means anything noticable

Their ddos isn't too good though

[storm kelp]

If you mean from your phone, I use Ampere, it's fairly accurate

Wait syke I thought you meant testing the actual output nvm

[slate elk]

nah i ftook mintcp

thanks..

nah i need to also get a schematic to order a PCB from a factory ^^

[agile galleon]

EasyEDA ftw

Or Altium/Eagle for that matter

[slate elk]

ill check EasyEDA im really new to the topic ;p

because i dont remember what i studied 6 years ago

but it should be simple based on true and falses

not the device but eletricity curcuits

[agile galleon]

I don't want to advertise another Discord so check out the YouTuber Voidstar Lab

[slate elk]

thanks ill take a look rn

cyberpunk glasses haha

[agile galleon]

Yuuup

Check your DMs tony

[humble prism]

thats... what they use, i was replying to what makes them cheap

the things i said def does let them provide very cheap prices, (not all the reasons, but still)

[pastel imp]

Hey everyone, could you guys kinda judge my code lol, I wanna clean it up before I publish the plugin itself lmao. https://github.com/xMrAfonso/Runway

[slate elk]

seems good

but why using pl lib?

[pastel imp]

widely used, packetevents is not that common + this was originally made for my own server where some plugins require ProtocolLib. And I didn't want to listen to packets myself "manually" cause that would require even more maintenance lol

[slate elk]

i see , then if u r fine witth itt looks very nice clean and organized

[pastel imp]

fr? I thought I was missing something

the main processComponent method looks a bit cluttered, maybe will modify it a bit

didn't run any performance tests so... hope there are no issues on that side on bigger servers

lol

[slate elk]

performance tests r pretty useless now adays as long as u dont have infinity loop haha

or leaks

like modern cpu's r really good ngl

[half harness]

https://i.imgur.com/K3BT2pN.png

shouldn't u return here

[pastel imp]

good question

it disables the plugin, so I would assume it wouldn't run the rest of it?

although no idea tbh

[half harness]

unless it throws an exception it'll still run 🥲

[pastel imp]

will add a return just to be sure

yeah fair

[half harness]

although an exception would be thrown later anyways

classnotfound

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pastel imp]

fixed that

I am concerned about the scoreboard part since it worked on my end, but not all scoreboard plugin works the same from what I recall

so, will see

will probably just add a command to manually parse text or an item

and after that it should be fine

[crude cloud]

I mean, packetevents can be shaded

[pastel imp]

that is..... a good point.

eh but I already had to use protocollib for other stuff

so, why not I suppose

this was originally not meant to be public

just making it public cause other people might need something familiar

I also hope to send a tiny middle finger to the fkers that don't update their plugins to support minimessage

xd

Either way, code pogging? Free to publish it?

[crude cloud]

idk I didn't read it lol

[pastel imp]

lol

fair

[pastel imp]

relatable

[ocean quartz]

If only developers weren't assholes about everything and stopped shaming others

[remote goblet]

impossible reality

[silk isle]

That’s me

[distant sun]

And then you get a job and see the actual shit, literally

if (thing) return true;
else return false;

[ocean quartz]

The amount of bad code I have written because we didn't have time to make it better lmao

[distant sun]

Yup

[storm kelp]

Professional Devs don't shame others for their code, hobbyists do

At least from my experience

[potent nest]

I‘d say it’s often the Dunning-Kruger effect

[wind patio]

11 days of no reply from discord support and still counting

https://tenor.com/view/dead-my-honest-reaction-damn-skull-skeleton-gif-15885937969029652188

[fading imp]

What category did you submit the ticket to? They probably don’t have a lot of staff for the lesser ticket “issues”

[wind patio]

considering previous replies were within 2-3 days, this is fairly uncommon to me, thought its discord support nonetheless

it's regarding server ownership

our current server owner (he was the one that created the server being an admin) is inactive and been offline for months and he's technically off the staff team

I've been trying to get them to transfer it, but every time I do, during the time they take to reply, the current owner miraculously logs-in (the current owner needs to be offline for at least a month) and they deny the request and suggest moving 4000 members + losing all the message history and integrations, to another server.

[pastel imp]

Are there any alternatives to configurate?

Only found out now that their YAML configs don't have support for comments

which quite sucks

[cinder flare]

to be fair most don't lol

snakeyaml will be the death of us all 😔

[pastel imp]

not snakeyaml 💀

[civic cairn]

DazzleConf supports comments

although it may be as not as convenient, still decent

[wintry plinth]

BoostedYAML all the way!

We use it for Tebex + Tebex Analytics, fantastic stuff

[pastel imp]

https://github.com/dejvokep/boosted-yaml ?

[ocean quartz]

Snakeyaml does support comments on more recent versions

[crude cloud]

^

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, you can use the public repos for a base if you need to source dive

It's really solid

[steel heart]

those are nice, I remember this 3rd alternative... hmm I think it was named oe yaml or sth lol

[distant sun]

What about hocon? More robust structure than yaml

[steel heart]

yea I think hocon is cool, tbh as long as a given ecosystem has some sort of consistency/standard for which format they use its pretty nice

[crude cloud]

consistency

yaml

lol

[steel heart]

weeeeeelll

you know

[potent nest]

I heard pkl is the new thing everyone should use

[distant sun]

Pro kabaddi league?

[potent nest]

https://pkl-lang.org/

[steel heart]

apples new thing right?

[potent nest]

yeah

[distant sun]

Interesting

[pastel imp]

configurate does support hocon, but not all minecraft server owner understands hocon

https://github.com/Simplix-Softworks/SimplixStorage looks interesting ngl

There's also https://github.com/WiIIiam278/Annotaml which is based ontop of boostedyaml

[distant sun]

Is not that different from yaml

[pastel imp]

yeah, but yaml is the standard xd

[crude cloud]

that's unfortunate

[wind patio]

Json!!!!

[fading imp]

You guys need to stop being weak and use .txt with Scanners 😎

[cerulean ibex]

dazzleconf is nice

https://github.com/A248/DazzleConf

Not perfect but alr for most things

Othwrwise id just write ur default config manually cuz theres usually too much preference that cant easily be expressed as code

[zenith fog]

dazzleconf has a few issues, like SortedMap not being supported, and https://github.com/A248/DazzleConf/issues/31

[cerulean ibex]

cant you just make ur own sorted map serialiser?

and im not sure what you mean in the issue you linked

[zenith fog]

no, i tried, FlexibleType just uses the normal Map, it is impossible to use the original order in the config

[cerulean ibex]

oh thats what you mean

thats a sequenced map not sorted

[zenith fog]

if you have a Map of string and value of a sub section, and you add new values to the sub section or user removes one key value, the whole tree will reset for no reason

[cerulean ibex]

oh i think ik what u mean

like when you load and save it it can't save the sub section because it's invalid so it just deletes it?

[foggy pond]

After having moved on to modding instead of plugin development, coming back to this feels sooooo much easier and more relaxed

The modding community is way more toxic too compared to this one

[wind patio]

real

[lavish notch]

Modded servers is a nightmare for hosters

[foggy pond]

Do you mean the minecraft servers or discord servers

[agile galleon]

Minecraft, you can't host modded Discord

[foggy pond]

Nono what I meant is

The discord servers for minecraft developers

[agile galleon]

I'm confuse dxD

[distant sun]

☠️ https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/s/KFURq8RPqG

[half harness]

https://github.com/meetDeveloper/freeDictionaryAPI/blob/master/modules/dictionary.js#L180
Anyone know how this function works?
Running this request myself just returns json )]}' {"feature-callback":{"__err__":null}} (the )]}' is normal, and the github code also substrings that out) but I get an empty response 🤔
And I couldn't find anything online on what https://www.google.com/async/callback:5493 was, or even https://www.google.com/async (or any of the params in the code)

[inner umbra]

Any reason getResource is returning null? Its in the jar file.```java
Path animationsPath = Paths.get(MinionCore.class.getClassLoader().getResource("Animations").toURI());
Files.list(animationsPath).forEach(path -> {});

[onyx loom]

@static zealot

[half harness]

I don't think getResource works on folders

oh maybe it does

idk

but what happens if you getResource a file

[inner umbra]

Works with files... Not with folder. But I don't want to write down the name of all the files I have in the jar.

[oblique heath]

real

[pastel imp]

I wonder why there are no alternatives to bstats

well, at least ones with a more modern UI

bstats hasn't even been updates in 2 years

[inner umbra]

Charlie isn't this what anylse is for?

[wintry plinth]

Ironically I’ve started building one 🫣

[wintry plinth]

No for game servers pal

[inner umbra]

👍

[wintry plinth]

Currently just Minecraft servers, but will expand to FiveM etc.

I’ve been planning a bStats alternative in stealth, using what I have learnt whilst building Tebex Analytics

[inner umbra]

I feel like it's the lack of profit detering a similar system. You could put ads on the page but 🤷

[wintry plinth]

I agree, monetising this kind of thing would be hard. I would be able to take the hit to host it on something similar to the specs used for Tebex Analytics, due to database optimisations etc

[pastel imp]

👀 but like, started = stopped or started = still working on it?

[inner umbra]

Lol I feel that

[wintry plinth]

It’s been planned for a while, in stealth, I’ve been starting to build the foundations lately

[pastel imp]

I mean, feel like this shouldn't be for profit imo

[wintry plinth]

You can ask Gian, this has been planned for a long time

[pastel imp]

bstats is sponsored by a host and is fully free

[kindred hatch]

No way you're gonna git clone another repo from me and steal all my work as your own and get aquired for another $10,000,000 that you don't deserve

[pastel imp]

☕

[inner umbra]

Charlie caught what I meant. It would take a lump some for hosting and upkeep.

[wintry plinth]

I think being for-profit isn’t an issue IMO, every business has to make money. I’ve had some ideas to build an alternative for a while, that could allow a “freemium” approach

[pastel imp]

FastVM still sponsors bstats so I assume they are getting some money back?

[kindred hatch]

The value they get back is knowing what's popular and basing their arc on that

[pastel imp]

tbh no idea how you could monetize this without limiting the system too much

but welp, we will see

[wintry plinth]

I feel like I’m in a great position to build a bStats alternative, given the experience I’ve had over 2 years building “Analyse”. I’ve had a lot of experience with database tuning, to allow us to handle like 100’s of millions of monthly events

[pastel imp]

when's this supposed to come out?

xd

[wintry plinth]

Shhh don’t expose me again, I don’t want another twitter thread with a google doc 😭

[kindred hatch]

😮

[pastel imp]

another?

[wintry plinth]

No idea, I’m the process buying my first house - it’s stressful 😂😂

[pastel imp]

oh yeah, I can imagine

but only imagine

I don't have the monies for that

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, I’m lucky to be in the position I could take the hit for a while until it gets off the ground (if any) to do it

[kindred hatch]

😮

[pastel imp]

I presume you already bought the domain? in a typical charlie fashion xd

[wintry plinth]

Ironically, no 😂

[pastel imp]

wait wut

WHO ARE YOU

[kindred hatch]

😮

[pastel imp]

where is charlie?!

where did you take him?!

[wintry plinth]

😭😭 Mr Domain Addiction me

[pastel imp]

xD

[wintry plinth]

But yeah, this has been an idea I’ve been planning for a long while. I haven’t had much time to actually build it fully yet.

I am very picky when it comes to what ideas I work on, it has to be based around an issue I personally face to do it. We’ve had an issue at Tebex for plugin stuff, which has sort of pushed me to build this.

Plus, I am very picky with UI - if I do this, it has to be my best work yet by far in terms of design

[inner umbra]

Hosting has always been my projects downfalls. Eventually it just got to expensive. So new projects that require hosting are always just an idea for me.

[kindred hatch]

That's why I just host everything on a $10/m VPS

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, I think hosting is often the most expensive part. I’ve been planning to write a blog post to discuss what I’ve learnt, hosting can be cheaper if done right, but most lean towards the “serverless” crap which I don’t believe in

I am a big preacher that “cheap” hardware goes a long way

[lavish notch]

[inner umbra]

Even that's to expensive for me lol

My projects don't have a steady income to keep them up.

[wintry plinth]

That’s understandable though! What I would do is work on a project, and then put aside $5-10 a month for hosting.

After you’ve built it (however many months it takes) you should have some funds to put towards it

[pastel imp]

that's why I use Oracle Cloud xD

[wintry plinth]

Some places like digital ocean offer $$ for free when signing up, you could use something like that

[inner umbra]

Oh yeah definitely but after years it's at the point where it won't ever keep itself going so I just drop it.

[pastel imp]

You could always use Oracle Cloud or even Cloudflare Pages

both free

and tbh, Pages is looking awesome

I have only used it for testing on a very old project of mine

which had 0 backend

but they have workers and what not now

[inner umbra]

For in house projects I just use what I have, phones, old pc/laptops etc.. but for things like servers or websites yeah I could look into those.

[pastel imp]

https://pages.cloudflare.com/

[half harness]

github pages too
i think is like the equivalent of cloudflare pages

[pastel imp]

supports React, Svelte, Vue, etc.

[pastel imp]

feel like cloudflare is better imo

[half harness]

oh
I think fred use/used it

I haven't used it myself tho (or github pages)

[inner umbra]

My personal server died a little over a year ago so that sucked. But it was old when I got it.
Ddr2 64gb dual quad core amd

[pastel imp]

unsure why it's not common for people to have an oracle cloud server

[wintry plinth]

Sigh masked links are blocked

https://www.digitalocean.com/try/free-trial-offer?utm_campaign=emea_brand_kw_en_cpc&utm_adgroup=digitalocean_credit_exact&_keyword=digital ocean free&_device=m&_adposition=&utm_content=conversion&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADw9jcvqWpk2oscnqii82SvTnbLo8&gclid=CjwKCAiArLyuBhA7EiwA-qo80C9wzJAYW4Voyx6ugsHwD7PbQt2ys7RBOdXWeC4nWCpC7-yQZZfHWhoCmxAQAvD_BwE

60 days free

Or yeah, Cloudflare pages works

I know @jade raven preaches it

[pastel imp]

it def. is good, I will use it whenever I start working on my SaaS

which btw charlie, I haven't touched yet 😢

It appears that my final year of HS is a bit more stressful than I imagined

[jade raven]

can confirm, pages is great

[pastel imp]

my math grades are not pogging rn lmao

[oblique heath]

i used it 2021-2022 however there is a big rarely mentioned issue

[pastel imp]

?

[oblique heath]

if you try to spin up your own instance right now you probably wont be able to

they only have so much capacity

and people literally use scripts to auto claim space as soon as it becomes available

[pastel imp]

yeah, a friend of mine terminated his instance to start a complete new one

and got fked

[oblique heath]

yep

[pastel imp]

cause "out of capacity"

[oblique heath]

thats what happened to me

[jade raven]

I did this, had to wait 2-3 days before I could recreate it 😂

[pastel imp]

same

happened to me once

after 2-3 days I got it again

they are constantly terminating inactive instances

I already got emails twice cause my instance didn't have enough activity

lmao

[jade raven]

I have 2, luckily they have enough activity it's not an issue but yeah that's annoying

[pastel imp]

On a very side note, @wintry plinth if ya need any help in either direct frontend coding or just general feedback, you know where to get me. Afterall, don't tell me I took an UX Design course for nothing 😢

(I actually have barely used my knowledge from that course yet lol)

[wintry plinth]

Hehe thank you, I’ll consider it — hopefully I can squeeze in some time to properly start. I’ve been planning it for many many months, as my experience with “Analyse” would make a bStats alternative a bit easier given the experience

[pastel imp]

yeah, 100%

• you have had enough time to see what's bad about bstats

and can fix it

in the meantime, gonna add bstats to my plugin

[wintry plinth]

Yeah, it’s also taught me a lot about why competition in the space is needed. It helps a lot when you can learn from what others do, as the saying goes.. competition breeds innovation

[pastel imp]

factsss

[long dagger]

I saw this today when looking through a friend's project, I dont even know what to say.

switch (File.Exists(jsonSavePath))
{
    case true:
        Achievements_SaveFile save = JsonUtility.FromJson<Achievements_SaveFile>(File.ReadAllText(jsonSavePath));
        Achievements_Earned = save.earnedAchievements;
        break;
}

[wind patio]

the fuck

[distant sun]

Si many wrong things

[sly sonnet]

imagine using if statement

🤡

[fading imp]

Nightmarish code

[old wyvern]

Oh wow

Demon Simon still pinned

#dev-general message

[inner umbra]

Is YamlConfiguration.getDefaultSection() not the same as YamlConfiguration.getConfigurationSection("")?

[fading imp]

Has anybody messed with display in spigot.yml? I assumed this would include TextDisplays but with animals and display set to equal values, TextDisplays as the passenger of animals don't seem to unload but the animals do?

[pastel imp]

hell I might have to switch to ProtocolLib again

packetevents has some issues

and I doubt the dev will fix it in the next 12 business days

[long dagger]

Literally

He said it's more efficient

[pastel imp]

hell why are there no alternatives to protocollib and packetevents?

[half harness]

protocollib and packetevents (although i never used packetevents) are already good libraries

protocollib is more low level than packetevents I think, but there's packetwrapper which tells you how to use the packets (the exception being when the packet changes and packetwrapper isn't updated)

[pastel imp]

yeah but protocollib cant be shaded and packetevents has some issues.... that take ages to be fixed

[crude cloud]

PR 😛

[pastel imp]

I have 0 ideas how to fix it

[crude cloud]

are the devs aware of the issues?

[oblique heath]

i am a dev, and i am aware of this issue now

not a protocollib or a packetevents dev but i did make a hello world in java a few times

[pastel imp]

opened an issue but no response yet

[long dagger]

sounds like you are going to have to figure it out

[pastel imp]

already did, switched back to protocollib.

[agile galleon]

It's best to ping retrooper in the Discord

[pastel imp]

eh will try that

[foggy pond]

Has anyone ever had an issue where IntelliJ randomly changes font and you cannot change it back?

[wind patio]

no

[lavish notch]

I got VSCode doing wild font and font spacing with JUnit tests. 💀

[potent nest]

VSCode is absolutely wild when it comes to java

had multiple cases where reformatting just straight up deleted code

and every time I was confused why it doesn't compile anymore suddenly

[lavish notch]

I am too lazy to import Uni projects into Intellij, especially since they use Eclipse on campus.

[wintry plinth]

If you're not using the Minecraft font, are you really a Blockgame Developer?

[remote goblet]

minecraft font to me truly is the most readable

[lavish notch]

Reading that makes me want to play code.

[wintry plinth]

Of course

[wintry plinth]

😂

[storm kelp]

Holy shit I'm going to use that for work 🤣

[wintry plinth]

https://github.com/IdreesInc/Monocraft 😂

[remote goblet]

ligatures :-(

[cinder flare]

That actually looks pretty good besides all the italics

[cinder flare]

You can turn them off! :-)

[ocean quartz]

But why would you? 😔

[wintry plinth]

Ligatures ftw >>

[cinder flare]

yeah idk they just did a sad face

so i figured they didn't like em or smthn

[fading imp]

I've seen scoreboards removing the Red-Numbers in 1.20.3+. Does anybody know if this done with NMS or through the API or if anybody has done this

I would ask on spigot but md gets mad at the thought of somebody using NMS scoreboards instead of the API and locks the threads

[pastel imp]

what's the "fancy" font of mc?

like not the default one but the other

xd

[still portal]

https://github.com/oraxen/oraxen/blob/master/core/src/main/java/io/th0rgal/oraxen/font/packets/ScoreboardPacketListener.java saw this a while ago

[fading imp]

Legend, thank you 🙏

[storm kelp]

imagine it makes lint failures into &k obfuscated

[remote goblet]

they bother me weirdly

[real pagoda]

this commit took 2 lunar year to complete and yet there are still bugs hidden inside 😭

[pastel imp]

typical

[inner umbra]

Why can you not search through a repo on github without being logged in?

You can go through all the files but the search option will always show 0 results.

[potent nest]

because someone implemented it that way

https://github.com/orgs/community/discussions/77046#discussioncomment-7681591

(the answer was one google search away)

[inner umbra]

So download the source or login lol

[potent nest]

I mean, GitHub users are typically logged in

[inner umbra]

I rarely am.

[potent nest]

sounds like a you problem

[half harness]

jeeeeez that guy is mad

[distant sun]

How can you use github and not be logged it all the time LOL

[static zealot]

I don't blame github and any other service (twitter, etc.) that does it even though I find it very annoying

[inner umbra]

I get why some websites do it. But Github lets you view everything. It just won't let you search for it to find it easier.

[potent nest]

searching is fundamentally different from browsing when it comes to computation cost

[static zealot]

From what I can tell, they updated their search engine when they made login being required. I do find it a bit scummy that they're using that as an excuse. They could always just give the not logged in users the old search but that is extra work for their developers.

[inner umbra]

🤷 Like I said I can login or I can download. I feel like downloading would "cost more" then just allowing us to search.

[crude cloud]

you feel like or did you run the numbers?

because I'm certain it isn't a hunch for them and they actually have the numbers for it :p

[potent nest]

downloading is traffic and takes up your resources and time otherwise

[remote goblet]

https://i.gyazo.com/e9c7eb1bed720ed7b615459da34a8d4c.gif

oh...

not really what i was expecting it to do but

[crude cloud]

missing 0.5 offset moment

[remote goblet]

i changed it to pitch to see what it would do

https://i.gyazo.com/d6cd322d5df22d61ce25b70c5436f88b.gif

how quirky

centering the entity isnt really the fix for the problem

i have now learnt that block displays just select a corner and when the yaw is modified the whole thing spins around that corner

[foggy pond]

Would you guys say that plugins are better to learn Java than minecraft mods are?

I know it's better to learn Java independently, that's what I did a few years ago

Just curious to see what everyone thinks, I feel like in modding you are so much more involved in understanding how the API works and how the source code works that you end up not learning as much Java

While in plugin development there is less complexity when it comes to API usage, resulting in an easier time when trying to learn Java?

[wind patio]

plugins are easier imo

[half harness]

Note that responses are likely to be heavily biased towards plugins here bc it's a plugin server

But I'd agree with M0dii

[remote goblet]

Plugins have a more stable and well documented API than modded does, in my experience forge/fabric are kinda just guessing games

heavy on forge api being a guessing game

[potent nest]

there are probably also far more resources on plugin development on the internet

[wintry plinth]

I can vouch that fabric is painful to use, plugins are much nicer

[wind patio]

I have used fabric, although as said my opinion might be biased, fabric is way more difficult than plugins

cant speak for forge

I could kinda compare it to server jar development, whereas for plugins you just use a fairly well built api

[cinder flare]

I mean plugins are only half of the whole game, you only do server side. Mods have a lot more going on since you also handle client side, so you get a lot more practice doing like networking and UI and stuff

You likely end up using a lot more of Java doing mods than you ever will doing plugins

[storm kelp]

Looking at it outside of the plugin ecosystem, irl you'll (usually, your experience may vary) be working with decently documented modular libraries regardless of the language you use. This is better reflected by plugin development than the modding ecosystem at the moment, so you'd get more transferrable skills from plugin dev work.

[crude cloud]

deez

[slate elk]

Hey guys anyone Herę made bruteforce for 4 pin app?

No limit attempts 30sec time limit per attempt

[humble prism]

???

thats... a odd question

[agile galleon]

Considering 0 time for putting it in, it'll take you 3 and a half days

[slate elk]

A odd question??

[slate elk]

No no i meant it gives only 30 sec time to try

Then request is over

[agile galleon]

Oh

well then try it

[slate elk]

What best to use?? Via android simulator

From what I know Java can’t do it without external libraries

Python?

[wind patio]

well you have to try 10000 different combinations

[slate elk]

I can try many times as I want I believe 1 out of 10 times gonna work

[agile galleon]

3ms per req

[slate elk]

I’ll try with C# today I hope the android simulator gonna be friendly lol

I’ll just take locations within the app screen

[pastel imp]

yo no messages in a day here?

sus

[surreal garnet]

Odd

[fading imp]

It’s Friday all the devs out partying

[inner umbra]

Lmfao

[swift ermine]

Could someone help me? 1.20.2 works but when I upgrade to paper or in my case pufferfish 1.20.4, it fails and crashes to do registry of lit_redstone_ore? I’ve tried paper 1.20.4 as well as spigot 1.20.4 and all fail. Please help?

[fading imp]

Paste it in /paste

[wind patio]

ChatChat not very active now is it

how the fk am I supposed to work with net.kyori.adventure components when ChatChat returns at.helpch.chatchat.libs.net.kyori.adventure.text.Component

[potent nest]

is it net.kyori.adventure at compile time?

[wind patio]

well turns out it was kinda my mistake because I didn't have any other options

I've included the ChatChat jar itself, not the API, since I had the error above when I included the API as dependency

I assume the API is kinda outdated

[pastel imp]

lmao codemc is fked

[heavy perch]

Getting this error everytime I try to restart server, server randomly crashed @ 60 players
57921 Portal: 34222645
[17:05:35 INFO]: Max TNT Explosions: 100
[17:05:35 INFO]: Tile Max Tick Time: 50ms Entity max Tick Time: 50ms
[17:05:35 INFO]: Preparing start region for dimension minecraft:chunkworld
Stuck here in the console, does nothing when I try kill it - removed the world but it says the same thing just with another world, any ideas?

[half harness]

dont crosspost

[heavy perch]

Sorry bro

[inner ruin]

is there any discord integration for guilds plugin?

like they can have their guild chats connected to a discord channel

[candid birch]

I don’t think so

[inner ruin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/891302989720092703/953283589011820564/787891549873635358.gif

k

[candid birch]

I might be wrong tho

[gusty glen]

what is the sorting algorithm that moves the items the least amount? I am in a scenario where swapping the place of two items is expensive (assume 50ms per swap), so I would like to minimize swapping by implementing a different sorting algorithm (what I'm sorting is a live list)

I googled this, and found this sus post in Quora https://www.quora.com/Which-of-the-sorting-algorithms-require-the-least-amount-of-swapping-or-memory-copying-operations saying that Selection Sort is the algorithm that minimizes swapping, but I'm not sure

[foggy grail]

whats the use case?

inserting elements to a sorted list for example?

[gusty glen]

sorting items in a bank of a game, so the sort must be in-place

[foggy grail]

and whats stopping you from sorting then calculating differences and just doing those to minimize changes?

[gusty glen]

nothing, but the stored values must be only the index of the items then (for example, a struct with the two items to swap, ex.: swap items 5 and 8)

[foggy grail]

ya, thats what i meant do your comparison and see what needs to get changed

then only apply the changes that are needed and nothing else

[gusty glen]

I already have an algorithm to sort things, but it sometimes do too many unnecessary moves, so what I need is an algorithm to minimize the total amount of swaps I perform on the live list, that's what I want to know, the name of an algorithm that specializes in minimizing the total swaps needed to sort the list

[foggy grail]

then you want selection sort afaik

[halcyon leaf]

Guys

how to get JSON text on Deluxehub?

[pastel imp]

#general-plugins

[normal talon]

is using StringUtils good for hex colors?

[pastel imp]

MiniMessage >

[normal talon]

is that also a dependency?

[distant sun]

Yes

[pastel imp]

if you are like any modern dev and use paper, 1.18+ already has it built-in

otherwise you have to add it yourself

[normal talon]

Ah alr

Thx

[foggy pond]

has anyone else run into a weird Failed to validata message acknowledgements from <player> warning, resulting in their kick?

It's just started happening randomly half the time I use a command

[agile galleon]

No Chat Reports mod?

[cedar estuary]

Any recommended plugin for soft announcement?

1.18.2+

[brittle leaf]

#minecraft #general-plugins

[inner ruin]

does java have any inbuilt sort method?

if there is use it

[oblique heath]

should probably abstract the sorting to some cheap model like a list of ints representing your items, then only apply the difference between the original order and the final sorted order to your expensive scenario

also, are you limited to only swapping the place of two items at a time? or can you perform a more complicated operation like setting the position of many items at once

[inner ruin]

also wait lol

why do you want to sort it

aint data being stored in a db?

just use the db query

[pastel imp]

yes

Collections.sort()

But the objects inside the list need to be able to be compared

[cedar estuary]

love u sweetheart

[slate elk]

reprogamming a MCU

anyone got any exprience google is lack of info in the topic

[oblique heath]

mcu? marvel cinematic universe?

definitely needs some reprogramming fr fr

[inner ruin]

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/arrays-sort-in-java-with-examples/

https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/collections-sort-java-examples/

also which editor you use for coding?

you can use the Codeium extension its an free (maybe be better) alternative to GitHub CoPilot

https://codeium.com/

[pastel imp]

Why do you ping me? lol

[inner ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/shameful-disappointed-box-of-shame-time-out-peek-gif-2226136612302321200

[pastel imp]

fail, stop pinging me pls

[wind patio]

@static zealot where is my code review

[static zealot]

done

[wind patio]

aight thx, will fix in a few
also, any reason for UID over world name?

since I have been thinking about an option to define the global range shared worlds, so the config entry would contain world names

[static zealot]

well, technically world names are probably unique, the unique identifier is probably better to use

not that familiar with the spigot api

but I assume there's a reason to have both an id and name

[wind patio]

I suppose in this case it shouldnt really matter.
I think one would use UIDs if you store them say in a database and want a reference to an exact world, i.e. if you delete the world and re-create it, you would know its not the exact same world.

[pastel imp]

maybe world name changes?

Still the same world with same uuid but different name.

[static zealot]

yeah I guess. that won't affect this particular case though

[fading imp]

Saw this in another discord, if you get nauseous easily don’t click https://hasteb.in/88myOMoZdeRj9Ln

[potent nest]

I've seen worse

[golden plume]

Hi, I am making a clan plugin and I want to integrate two commands, one is /vote leader <player> to select a new leader and /vote apply, but I don't know how to do it, can someone helpme?

[pastel imp]

1. #development 2. we need more than a "help me"

[wind patio]

he wants to be spoonfed the entire plugin from what I can tell

[glad fiber]

Think about and then clearly articulate what you're trying to accomplish, where you're at, and what you're struggling with.

It's ok to need help, but if you're not overly clear about what situation you're in people will treat you like the above

[golden plume]

My problem is that I don't know how to manage that after 5 minutes of there being no leader, the one with the most votes is selected.

[glad fiber]

That's more specific, hopefully you'll get help in #development

[pastel imp]

allow them to vote, after 5 minutes, with a scheduler, you close the votes.

also, great resource @golden plume: https://xyproblem.info/

[ocean quartz]

No need for a scheduler, just delta time, time when it started time it stops, if current is more don't allow votes

[pastel imp]

Yeah, that would be my approach, but try explaining the little math behind that, I swear beginners understand schedulers faster than that

somehow

idk why

but it happens

lol

[agile galleon]

you think? I doubt it

[pastel imp]

hell from 9 people that I explained it to, 8 of them said they understand schedulers better lmao

[agile galleon]

Why does that sound like 9 out of 10 dentists recommend schedulers

[pastel imp]

lmao

nha but it was actually 9 people

at school, we had nothing to do so the teacher just said "lets code some mc plugins"

while him being like, literally not familiar at all with the api

lmao

so I kinda had to teach the whole class the basics

a few already knew, others wanted to try alone

9 of them I had to teach

and literally 8 of them understood schedulers but not the logic behind the delta time 💀

[ocean quartz]

Probably a question for #minecraft

[ivory monolith]

Okey

[static zealot]

Thanks @wind patio for your PRs. I have merged them. Now you can start working on cross-server support because I can't bother with this shit anymore 🤣

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=AKz4fGmykus

youtube music suggested this to me so I am sharing with you all this gem

[wind patio]

no problem, glad to contribute

I dont have a multi-server setup so thats very unlikely 😄

[humble prism]

good time to make one

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-staring-orange-cat-staring-cat-gif-13724146065807985297

[golden sun]

Hope none of you use AWS 😂

[wind patio]

amazonwebshit

[golden sun]

That is insane

[potent nest]

using IPv4 should be illegal

[wind patio]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[sly sonnet]

Imagine not being able to memorize yout servers ipv6 address

[inner ruin]

AAAA record

[timber oak]

Opinion on Lombok?

[half harness]

use kotlin

👍

[timber oak]

It's just so confusing to use lol

But I'd probably get used to it

I just recently started trying out Lombok and it removes soooo much boilerplate code

[crude cloud]

?plsnolombok

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

Why is Lombok bad?

• It's a compiler hack - the Java compiler isn't designed to modify code, so it can cause difficult to debug errors, or worse
• It requires an IDE plugin, so unless you've properly configured Maven, Gradle and your IDE, you'll get hundreds of compilation errors. This process takes time too, it's not easy
• Lombok'd code won't show in Javadocs
• The code generation is often unpredictable and difficult to debug, and often you'll have to do it "the hard way" anyway
• Java is supposed to be explicit, Lombok hides a lot of key functionality into a subtle annotation which can be easy to miss
• While IDEs support it with a plugin, it's usually more difficult to find specific things, like usages of a getter because they don't exist in the source code
• Finally, Lombok'd bytecode doesn't match the source code, so it causes a pretty annoying warning in IntelliJ

Requested by: emily.ar • plsnolombok

[crude cloud]

you can just use kotlin as java, although not the ideal way to use kotlin, it's an easy way to get comfortable with it, it's pretty similar

[timber oak]

Hmm yeah makes sense, but when making the same type of class hundreds of times or whatever, it's so nice to have

But I should probably just learn kotlin

[crude cloud]

the same type of class hundreds of times

my dear lord what are you doing

[civic cairn]

Sounds like a design issue

[cobalt marlin]

with a modern ide you can have most of the functionality of lombok but without the unpredictability

[wintry plinth]

To be honest, most of Lomboks “attraction” is not needing to type constructors, getters and setters - but actually IDEs like IntelliJ offer that exact thing. I use it a lot as it can be tedious to write, but with a keybind you can write it quickly

[cerulean ibex]

you can do constructors easily as well

[wind patio]

@Builder

@NoArgsConstructor
@RequiredArgsConstructor
@AllArgsConstructor

@ToString

@Data

@Synchronized
@Cleanup

[wintry plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/light-too-bright-too-early-look-away-cover-eyes-gif-17129652

[wind patio]

bluds losing out on so much because of their ego

https://tenor.com/view/mike-wazowski-mike-pog-pog-gif-154717314566640477

[potent nest]

I prefer Java over Lombok, and everyone else should too

[distant sun]

I love when I open a class from someone else's project and I see @NoArgsConstruct @Builder and whatever else 🤌

[wind patio]

we use lombok at work.
saves a ton of time.

never had any issues with it whatsoever

[rugged badger]

How can i make a kits menu in a kits menu?

Because i have a gui if you do /kits. But i want to make gui for ranked, and members and tools

But it must be make a category

[pastel imp]

I never understood the whole lombok thingy, I dont see the issues on it besides readability on open sourced projects... @Builder, etc are cool

[timber oak]

Yeah I mean I just use it for getters setter and constructors, it's very nice to have

And the SuperBuilder

[pastel imp]

idk, if someone can explain it, ping me I suppose ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[timber oak]

I assume it's just this #dev-general message

[agile galleon]

I don't use it, I rather have all the code that will be in the final jar at hand, but I also don't blame anybody who's using it

[lavish notch]

How.

[quiet depot]

might mean use effectively

sure it's easy to use, but using it to actually get a quality outcome can sometimes be difficult

[lavish notch]

It's all about engineering the response.

[humble prism]

or just keep asking it until you get what you want

hehe

[wintry plinth]

Gotta be a top tier proompter

[humble prism]

github student gives you a prompt engineering guide

made by microsoft

lol

[wintry plinth]

Wait really?! I didn’t realise that lmao

[humble prism]

its.. a entire bundle

[heavy slate]

Does anyone know how to put a community made Jekyll template into my Github Pages repo?

[long dagger]

Is this discord or are there actually multiple chsnnels?

[quiet depot]

restart your client

[wind patio]

CTRL + R btw

[wind patio]

why is a voucher plugin almost 1.5mb

when I just wrote entire voucher system in like 100 lines of code

[distant sun]

mine is made with kotlin 3.8mb

[cinder flare]

dependencies

[wind patio]

💀

[quaint isle]

Hey smart people,
my webhost jacked up pricing for Plesk licenses and I'm looking to switch to a different control panel.

I need to host a bunch of LNMP stack websites (nginx + mysql + php), support multiple php versions and multiple domains, support LetsEncrypt certificates and must run alongside portainer.

Ideally, it would also have pgsql support and a UI for file manager, database creation and firewall.

Any recommendations?
Either free or less than 60 bucks a year.

[wintry plinth]

do you need diff php vers? how different are they?

[quaint isle]

It's all 8.X

I just need to be able to run one web application on let's say 8.0.30 and another on 8.3.2
But technically it shouldn't matter what PHP versions exactly I want to run, should it?

[wintry plinth]

Usually it should all work fine, I'd just recommend trying it on 8.2 and seing if your sites work

[quaint isle]

Sure, but my question was whether you guys can recommend any cheap or free control panel that allows to do this 😄
I installed a couple (like Hestia) but I wanted to hear what my fellow Helpchat devs use.

[civic cairn]

man i'm getting too much enums in my api

[wind patio]

oracle free tier vps

[pastel imp]

^^

or cloudflare pages my beloved

[cinder flare]

I mean I think we'd need to know more about the overall situation, cause this could go a few ways

[pastel imp]

wdym

[cinder flare]

If you're like hosting client websites, then getting a VPS/dedi and just running Docker containers + a single Nginx for reverse proxying on all of em would be very nice

I don't really know of any like free hosting services for that kind of stuff, so that's where other people here could come in clutch

[quaint isle]

no no, maybe I wasn't clear. I'm not looking for a server. I already got a vServer that I'm using and plan to keep on using. I'm just looking for control panel recommendations because I don't feel like shoving money into Plesks throat 😄

[pastel imp]

web control panels?

hPanel, cPanel, Plesk, Webmin, DirectAdmin, ispmanager

[quaint isle]

It's just a bunch of my personal web projects, some personal APIs, services. I ideally want a classic control panel that does virtual hosts and host portainer on the same machine for a few containers such as vaultwarden etc.

[static zealot]

ok chatgpt 🤣

[pastel imp]

imagine using chatgpt

...

(that was the first result of a google search)

pff

imagine using chatgpt, frfr

pure old google for the win

[cinder flare]

Oh I mean yeah in that case if it's all yours, then I would just have like one Apache/Nginx setup that just reverse proxies all your PHP stuff. If it's like straight vanilla PHP, should be super simple, if it's like Laravel/Symfony or something, fast-cgi and stuff should come in handy pretty nice

[quaint isle]

well, i can google too. Obviously I'm looking for recommendations. hpanel is hostinger, cpanel and plesk are not an option as i have explained above. Tried webmin, but hated the UI.

[cinder flare]

Would teach you a lot about sysadmin and get you away from relying on poor abstractions (web panels)

[pastel imp]

Star that seems like more work :-:

[quaint isle]

Also tried Hestia, which looked ok. And about to install cloudpanel as we speak.

[cinder flare]

how is that more work lol

You just setup Nginx like once and then bam

add your .php files wherever

[static zealot]

https://github.com/cloudpanel-io/cloudpanel-ce

[pastel imp]

ngl this looks good

[quaint isle]

yup thats the one I meant 😄

[quaint isle]

I do webdev for a living. I am definitely not the greatest sysadmin out there, but I certainly could do it by hand - but I gotta admit I like myself a graphical interface for certain tasks. Especially when it's for hobby projects 😄

[pastel imp]

makes life easier

[cinder flare]

yeah idk, I just find it not worth the effort of trying to get a panel for websites

[pastel imp]

whole reason I install ptero to manage my stuff

actually, doesn't ptero also allow web hosting?!

[cinder flare]

Like I'm at the point where I can slap together a docker-compose.yml and get an Nginx reverse proxy config in like 30 minutes

Yeah I do use Ptero for my game server stuff, never tried it for web, but I guess it could work

[tribal plinth]

you need a nginx egg I believe

[pastel imp]

yeah

[cinder flare]

I mean you could run Nginx outside of Ptero

[pastel imp]

or node.js, or whatever

[tribal plinth]

for nginx stuff but you can use JavaScript/Java/etcetera if you use them

[cinder flare]

which you like probably are already doing if you're hosting Ptero yourself

[pastel imp]

yeah

although could probably be good if you want it all in a single place

[cinder flare]

idk Docker just makes life simple 😌

[pastel imp]

I mean, if you already use ptero for mc servers, etc. why not for websites

[cinder flare]

If you want more control

[pastel imp]

only reason I don't host my websites in oracle cloud is because I fear it's not secure enough lmao

[static zealot]

I have. It works. It is nice. I used ptero to control my website, discord bots and minecraft servers.

[pastel imp]

idk, might be stupid and misinformed

[cinder flare]

I have a lot of mounts and stuff I use for my website stuff I run so I need the control

[static zealot]

or at least was. this was ~ 2 years ago

[cinder flare]

but yeah it's pretty chill

I use it for Discord bots as well

[tribal plinth]

I support this, I do that and will always do that

[cinder flare]

Redis, MariaDB, SCP: Secret Lab, Gmod, etc.

[quaint isle]

I find myself creating plenty of smol websites, apps and services every now and I don't want to containerize every tiny little php file or python script I create. Clicking on "Add website" and uploading an index.php seems way more straightforward to me.

[cinder flare]

yeah I suppose

[pastel imp]

is oracle cloud VM safe enough to host a website though?

[tribal plinth]

it's not worth my time to setup nginx again while I already have pterodactyl panel

[cinder flare]

Idk I am not a small single file kind of guy lol

[pastel imp]

Like, I always had the assumption it wasn't safe cause of firewalls, etc.

[cinder flare]

If I'm making a website, it's going to be like a full Laravel situation

or like, in any other framework, in which case you'd want the whole Docker setup anyways

PHP is really just the notable exception

[half harness]

i mean you can configure the firewalls

[pastel imp]

my experience with firewalls be like:

[quaint isle]

yeah I'm not saying you're wrong. I actually thought about using only portainer and putting everything in containers, but it didn't feel practical for my case.

[half harness]

or actually aren't firewalls based off the OS/distro/software?
not the actual host

[cinder flare]

yes lol

ufw moment

[pastel imp]

I am pretty sure I messed with firewalls to make ptero panel work

I legit had 0 idea what I was doing

[cinder flare]

I mean if you have a ton of small stuff, could just run a single php-fpm container and configure a few virtual hosts for all the small things

[pastel imp]

so I am afraid I messed up somewhere

[cinder flare]

then full Docker containers for all the big stuff

[pastel imp]

which could easily expose it

[static zealot]

Man, I really can't get behind PHP. I know people just say "user Laravel" and I had, but I still don't enjoy it. I'd rather use python with jinja

[cinder flare]

jesus lol

I am the exact opposite

[static zealot]

I don't do that, but I'd rather

[pastel imp]

and since I will be running stuff that contains user data, preferably having 0 data breaches would be nice

[cinder flare]

I've found PHP more and more attractive, it's a lot like Java and the ecosystem is just so great

[tribal plinth]

same, PHP is literally the least language I'd want to touch again, even though I do use it sometimes, I regret it instantly

[cinder flare]

I literally just rewrote my shitty Discord bot I inherited in discord.js into a wrapper over DiscordPHP and it is absolutely beautiful

[pastel imp]

Laravel makes it quite better ( charlie I love u) but it's still not good imo.

[cinder flare]

and like, Laravel's Blade templates are so much better than Django's

it's like not even funny

[pastel imp]

Svelte 🔛 🔝

[cinder flare]

eh

Svelte doesn't have enough ecosystem

[tribal plinth]

I'm more into python, typescript (not JavaScript anymore) and Java

[cinder flare]

I've gotten into Vue a lot recently

[pastel imp]

it's growing quite fast though.

[cinder flare]

meh

not fast enough

[static zealot]

I mean, I don't like js either. don't get me wrong. I realy dislike frameworks like react. I've recently started using HTMX and I want to see how that would go with Kotlin and Ktor

[tribal plinth]

I need to learn angular 😭 thanks for reminding me guys

[cinder flare]

💀

[quaint isle]

Modern PHP is actually quite nice. You just need to stay away from ancient tutorials written in 2010

[pastel imp]

Everyone is legit moving to Svelte, if you check surveys etc, almost everyone is interesting in svelte

[cinder flare]

well in like 5 years maybe I'll reevaluate lol

[tribal plinth]

hm then u might like EJS

[pastel imp]

it's just a matter of time until it becomes as big

[quaint isle]

And Laravel is just a mvc framework like any other. It certainly does the job and has a huge community.

[cinder flare]

Vue's template syntax being valid HTML has been a huge huge boon in my recent projects

[tribal plinth]

I don't recommend EJS since it's client side rendering and terrible

[pastel imp]

Svelte 5 is coming out soon, that will make it even better with runes

[tribal plinth]

but seems like you might like it

[cinder flare]

It has the absolute best ecosystem and docs from what I've used so far

[pastel imp]

whoever is not working with svelte does not know what he's missing imo

[cinder flare]

why would I like EJS lol

[tribal plinth]

saying that to blitz

[pastel imp]

okay, eco system sucks a bit, but it's growing fast and the dev experience in svelte is simply good af.

[cinder flare]

ah sorry

[static zealot]

I just learnt a new word

[cinder flare]

lmao

[pastel imp]

several things like shadcn are being ported to svelte too: https://www.shadcn-svelte.com/

[cinder flare]

but yeah just being able to slap in Vue into any html and a little script tag is so so so nice

no preprocess step required

[tribal plinth]

I did try svelte, I found it not really comfortable when it comes to file simplicity (as in organizing stuff)

I hate messy stuff

[pastel imp]

in what sense? Only thing I dislike about it is that every page now relies on the folder, then the actual page is just +page.svelte, but there are extensions for VSC/WebStorm that remove that

[cinder flare]

anyways, https://laracord.com/ is literally the best experience I've ever had with Discord bots lol

discord.py and discord.js were both quite awful to use

[static zealot]

I've only ever used jda

[tribal plinth]

there is??

[cinder flare]

yeah idk I want to like Java a lot more, and like get into Spring, but the docs and ecosystem are just so awful

[static zealot]

I only ever wrote 2 bots though. One of which is still in small use

[tribal plinth]

I don't like how everything is handled by folder so

[static zealot]

I just used kotlin lol

[cinder flare]

no nice database ORMs, no nice migrations, all the docs either use .yml or like .xml files for config, etc.

[pastel imp]

I use Webstorm but yeah

[tribal plinth]

I might move then

[cinder flare]

I've been using Kotlin a lot for mc plugin stuff

But for like anything else, it just doesn't do great for me

[pastel imp]

Hibernate is nice tbf

[cinder flare]

eh

[static zealot]

Why's that? I find it pretty nice to use for discord bots. But again, I've only ever experienced Kotlin + JDA for that

[cinder flare]

idk it's just not the vibe

[tribal plinth]

I'm using ejs cause it's easy to handle and isn't messy, and seems similar to javalin

[cinder flare]

all the libraries feel dated, poor documentation, etc.

like looking at the Hibernate docs rn is painful

[tribal plinth]

only downsides I found is that it's server side not client side and terrible for performance

[cinder flare]

I mean it's similar to ERB lol

that's literally what it's built to be, ERB but for JS

[static zealot]

I like HTML bcz I don't have to do that much JS. LOL.

HTMX*

[tribal plinth]

in JS we have Prisma which is good

[cinder flare]

idk never really liked Prisma

[pastel imp]

I would say Svelte is going to be the future main frameworks, Svelte 5 is going to bring a lot to the table, eco system is growing fast, several hosts/frameworks/libraries/etc are starting to support svelte too. Dev experience is the best I have ever had comparing to React and Vue.

[cinder flare]

all that translation layer stuff was quite weird

[pastel imp]

planning on using it!

[tribal plinth]

ehh?? I got used to Prisma literally an hour after using it

[cinder flare]

What's so much better than Vue? I've recently gone from React -> Vue for real stuff, and I love all the Vue stuff. Can't really remember any big niceties in Svelte that I don't get in Vue.

[tribal plinth]

It's so good that I'm having issues going back to Java's usual long and terrible handling

[pastel imp]

I am planning on making an SQL library similar to Prisma for java

[tribal plinth]

Please, please do

just copy it and name is PrisJava or something I don't care

[cinder flare]

I've been spoiled by Django ORM and Laravel's Eloquent lol

[pastel imp]

I actually already started, but stopped it cause I got busy with some other stuff

[tribal plinth]

just send me a message whenever you do that

[pastel imp]

If I remember xD

[cinder flare]

defining models as just objects in the language is so nice 😌

[pastel imp]

you could always check if I posted it on github since whenever I finish it, it will be on github xD

[tribal plinth]

🤔 that sounds interesting

[quaint isle]

We recently switched from Vue to React but the main reason was that it's way easier to hire React devs than to find someone who knows their way around Vue 😄

[cinder flare]

ah yeah I can see that

idk I have really fallen off of React, obviously I'll probably end up at a job using it, but Vue has been good to me

[pastel imp]

Dev experience is way better imo, sure, you can do most things with Vue too, but the question is how you do it, you require way less code in svelte and it's also way cleaner. imo ofc

[quaint isle]

oh im dumb, i thought u were talking about react vs vue but we still on svelte

[tribal plinth]

I need to start using react again, last time I did I had a mental breakdown as to how terrible it was from my perspective, but hopefully, and I really do hope that I just won't dismiss the possibility of not using REACT for my web projects

[cinder flare]

I mean idk? Side-by-side, not really. And I kinda dig the templating system of Vue.

[static zealot]

Imagine using an ORM. Raw SQL + cls.from_dict() 🎉

[cinder flare]

And runes are going to bring it even closer lol

say hello to $state()

[pastel imp]

tbh I have tried to force myself to use react and just couldn't. Once in svelte, you will never want to switch back haha

[static zealot]

how much are they paying you Afonso? /s

[pastel imp]

yes, runes are solving some other issues, but they also make way more sense

[tribal plinth]

should I just stay in svelte and not go with react? I want to learn go a bit so I can do a few things that require me to use go

[pastel imp]

like, whoever saw svelte before with stuff like $: would be like "tf is that?"

[tribal plinth]

exactly me

[pastel imp]

derived(), state(), etc make it easier to understand

it's also a smart move from svelte, that will probs make it easier for devs to switch from other frameworks

[tribal plinth]

then I might as well stick with my original plan with:
svelte -> go (basics) -> angular

[pastel imp]

up to you. React is 100% more used in the industry, but I believe you should go with what you are comfortable with, not what everyone else says.

[tribal plinth]

Now say, I go react, how much will my brain be able to handle react?

probably not that much but would be enough sure, but doing a website with react seems out of the way

[pastel imp]

according to stats, svelte has constantly dominated the top interest from the community for a few years now xD

React, Vue, all going down according to stats

[tribal plinth]

I've been focusing on html, tailwindcss and typescript that I've also almost forgotten Java, thankfully I have a private "pass time" project in java that allows me to remember it

[pastel imp]

But those 2 still dominate the top usage, + angular

but it's gaining ground!

[tribal plinth]

Alpine js is good though

[cinder flare]

Vue templating language strikes again!

[pastel imp]

Alpine is in 9th place in interest

6th place in retention

according to the survey, svelte has a 90% retention rate xD

[tribal plinth]

Alpine is good if you know how to use it

tbf if I have the chance I'd use it anywhere as it's easy to integrate

I made a simple change between 2 languages with alpine, it took me 30minutes (incl testing & fixing issues)

[sly sonnet]

proof?

[pastel imp]

xD

[tribal plinth]

I don't have internet unfortunately so can't, mobile data on phone since today's morning, waiting for ISP to solve it tomorrow when they open

remind me tomorrow

[sly sonnet]

"remind me tomorrow" - an easy way to get out of any situation

[half harness]

he gave a reason in the message right before that-

[old wyvern]

Good ol r/haskellmemes

[prisma wave]

TRUE

[pastel imp]

@tribal plinth how it looks with the plugin (routes)

[pastel imp]

tbf usually you also do classes with tailwind and use @apply lol

[tribal plinth]

man can't wait for my ISP to come fix my stuff so I can try this, called them was told they'd come now they closed and didn't come yet 😭

[pastel imp]

also works with dynamic routes

(ignore productid xD supposed to be blogid)

[tribal plinth]

this is really interesting but I'd rather just have a blog/[Id].svelte but seems impossible

guess gotta sometimes sacrifice a few things for better performance overall

[pastel imp]

yeah, the plugin just visually replaces the +page with the name, folder, etc are still needed.

[wintry plinth]

I usually don’t 0.0 it isn’t really recommended as such

Just abstract into a component, then boom

[static zealot]

yeah. biggest point of tailwind is that you have your css embedded in your html

so you don't have to look for it

[pastel imp]

yeah

[pastel imp]

yes true, very good point

hell this is an annoying webstorm thing?

why th doesn't it complete it?! (it's tab)

[cinder flare]

wtf no you do not lol

using @apply with tailwind is the definition of an antipattern

just use the tools your framework provides to segment stuff so it doesn't get too crazy, components should very much just wrap it nice enoughj

[pastel imp]

yes. I was smoking (not actually), to be fair, I am dead tired lmao

[cinder flare]

and make sure to use the prettier auto-sort tailwind classes, because it makes it super super easy to find a specific class in any tailwind list and change it

[pastel imp]

but yes, I am wrong, you are correct 100%

said bullshit

[cinder flare]

tailwind my beloved 😌

had to use Bootstrap for a project, holy shit i miss tailwind so much bro

they don't use the tailwind style like md:w-32 or whatever

they just put the size thing in different places in each class

and you can't like do custom since it doesn't do a JIT or anything, so sad

[pastel imp]

💀

I will always say, and I doubt anyone will ever change my mind

Vite + Svelte + SvelteKit + Tailwind is just the best stack ever

Once you use it once, you never wanna go back xD

[cinder flare]

yeah idk I like the backend maturity too much to just rawdog Nuxt/SvelteKit, and I've really been liking Vue and the ecosystem recently

but tailwind is my ride or die for sure

[wind patio]

Ok im gonna say it...

Im a react simp

[pastel imp]

each one with their own thing I suppose, there is only one thing that is not acceptable

[pastel imp]

and it's this ^^

xD

[wind patio]

Havent had time to mess around with other frameworks

[pastel imp]

tbf I am a Svelte simp, but justified simp

[wind patio]

Used react in most of my projects involving frontend

And kinda got used to it

So also kinda hard to switch and try new stuff

But anyways, svelte is something I will probably try next

[cinder flare]

yeah I understand React, idk I'm just as the point where I value simplicity and a useable template syntax

and Vue has served that need very well

especially with the whole new future stuff of Vue like Vapor, which is taking all the benefits of Svelte (compiled away framework) and bringing it to Vue

[pastel imp]

yeah legit all frameworks are copying svelte stuff lmao

[cinder flare]

I mean it is a very good innovation lol

[pastel imp]

yeah

can't blame them tbh

[cinder flare]

And thankfully all the nice ideas are being shared around to all the stuff people already use!

Signals in Angular, Vapor in Vue, React Forget in React, etc.

[pastel imp]

Meanwhile runes in svelte 5

although this is the funniest page for me https://svelte.dev/blog/write-less-code

literally shows the power of svelte compared to react and vue

basically, 145 characters of svelte code does what 442 characters of react and 263 characters of vue do lmao

it's simply almost 4x faster coding than react and almost 2x than vue

[wintry plinth]

I’ve loved Vue, I want to fully get into react, is a book worthwhile to buy?

Laravel + Vue has been my 🐐 stack, but now I want to dive into Laravel + React primarily due to libraries like Framer Motion

[cinder flare]

To be fair, that's using the old Vue class syntax. It's a lot more like Svelte now with just ```html
<script setup>
const a = ref(0);
const b = ref(0);
</script>

[pastel imp]

its also an old blog xD, but the difference is still a decent bit tbf

[cinder flare]

eh

it's getting a hell of a lot smaller with runes lol

and with a compiler to compile away the framework, the big differentiator will end up being the template syntax

and i think there's definitely pros and cons for both styles

[pastel imp]

true, I personally dislike runes but they are rlly good to have so

I suppose?

[wintry plinth]

Vue Vapor will be dope

[cinder flare]

fr

[pastel imp]

Vue Vapor looks interesting too

[wintry plinth]

Star, when you learnt react - did you use a book or online resources?

[cinder flare]

Mostly online resources

The new react docs at https://react.dev are superb, and I just got a lot of use from Next.js stuff, specifically the T3 stack

[pastel imp]

I have never personally learned any framework with books. There are recommendations I can do of some REALLY great free youtube courses for svelte(kit) though if anyone is interested

overall, glad other frameworks are adapting svelte features

anyways, time to go sleep

[wintry plinth]

I’ll check this out, thank you - I learnt html/css from a book, Vue I picked up from vids, but wasn’t sure how good books are these days

[cinder flare]

Yeah idk, I find books too formulaic and generally slow-to-update for real usage

Having real examples and stuff to look at from real repositories is a great great way to learn imo

Cause you can just get your hands dirty and mess around with stuff

That's one of the things I love about Laravel lol, it's super super easy to just get a simple setup going, with Inertia if you want, etc.

[wintry plinth]

Yeah I love Laravel tbh, do you ever use memorisation and such? I think that’s been my biggest fear, the performance side of things

[cinder flare]

Memoization in React?

I've done a bit yeah, but meh

generally the kind of stuff I'm doing doesn't really need it that much

and with React 19 coming soon with a compiler, you likely won't ever really need to lol

useMemo and useCallback will be basically obsolete

[wintry plinth]

Yeah I am looking forward to this 😂

As performance is always thr biggest worry

[cinder flare]

yeah idk I've been quite happy with Vue recently honestly

the template syntax just like, is so nice actually

also Blade templates are so much fucking nicer than Django templates

I never realized until I did some stuff with basic Laravel templates, it's so nice to just be able to run native programming language code in the template renderer

[wintry plinth]

I wish Vue had framer motion, I am a “make things pretty and feel cool” type of guy. React sadly has all the fancy shit

And yeah, I’d love to find a good use case for blade

[cinder flare]

When you wanna be minimal, Blade templates are just some of the best static backend templating systems there are

I guess probably because PHP was originally intended to be basically an HTML templating language lol

but like, so much better than Django templates or ERB or like EJS or anything

[wintry plinth]

Yeah 😂 what type of use cases do you have for blade rn? Project wise

[cinder flare]

Smaller project stuff for my capstone class, just quick setup kinda stuff

like using native custom XML elements and slots as a layout rather than weird inheritance like Django is so nice

and you can like do functions and stuff in the template, ugh just so nice

[storm kelp]

Single Page Applications > MVC Applications

[wind patio]

cant say really

[long dagger]

I learned React in like 3 days

With just the docs and youtube

I don't have the best technical understanding, but I have enough to get done what needs to be done

[cobalt marlin]

react docs currently are quite good imho

[long dagger]

That and the Next.js docs (I used Next.js as well) had a lot of React content in them

[wintry plinth]

Ah wow, thanks for this - I'll check them out

[silent pond]

hiiii
is it possible to make a alambic gui with the api

[pastel imp]

fun fact: AWS will start charging $0.005 per hour for ipv4 usage

and some others are also starting to do the same

they are trying to make people move to ipv6

[wintry plinth]

Good

[long dagger]

np

[halcyon leaf]

Does anyone know a plugin which allows us to customize the damage on swords and resistence/abosrption on armor?

Custom values on each item and they have seperet identifictation code in a config.

[brittle leaf]

not the place to ask that

#general-plugins or #minecraft

[quaint isle]

What OS would you use if you wanted to run 1-2 docker containers on a tiny vserver (1vcpu / 1GB RAM)?

[cinder flare]

Debian

I guess Alpine if you really wanna minmax

[oblique heath]

alpine is pretty great for how small it is

[quaint isle]

i posted that question and fell asleep 😄

debian is usually my go to but I think it's too resource-intensive for a smol server. I've actually only ever used Alpine as base image for containers, never as an actual OS for a machine, but that should definitely be way slimmer than a chonker like ubuntu 👍

[wintry plinth]

I love Debian, it’s my go-to

[agile galleon]

Years ago Ubuntu was my go to but i don't like the boat anymore

[remote goblet]

I have discovered i apparently havent known how hashmaps function for almost 3 years at this point

apparently

Map<String, Object> map = new HashMap<>();
Object object = map.get("hello");
object.sethello(true); // this updates it in the map??

ive been convinced if i changed an object that i retrieved from the map, i would have to reassign it

[agile galleon]

Considering the hashmap doesn't copy the object it should be updated I think?

[ocean quartz]

Maps store references

[inner umbra]

Yeah not really anything to do with the map lol

[wintry plinth]

I thought this too!! Wtf

[inner umbra]

So if you guys thought this way about maps... Do you think the same with other storage types? List, Set, etc...?

[remote goblet]

i actually

cant tell you

i think i just dont actually remember the last time that i stored anything in a list

[inner umbra]

What do you normally use?

[wind patio]

what

[wind patio]

since when you dont know objects are passed by ref

[potent nest]

wait until you figure out that changing the hashCode of an object after inserting it into a hashmap breaks the hashmap basically

[wind patio]

isnt it changing the hashcode of the key?

[potent nest]

yes

[wind patio]

not the value

[potent nest]

value doesn't matter

[wind patio]

well thats, uh, normal

when putting a key, you're storing the value at the key's hashCode, same for retrieve

and well, changing it messed the map up

[potent nest]

well you don't store it explicitly, but the place where the object is stored depends on the hash code

[wind patio]

yes

buckets

[wintry plinth]

How is the hash code stored by default? I remember you can override it, but does it use certain properties of the class or something?

[wind patio]

its kinda jvm specific

[potent nest]

the default hashCode is a JVM specific value stored ⭐ somewhere ⭐

current OpenJDK implementations use a random function to calculate it once and it's then stored in the object header

(although you can specify to use a few other mechanisms to calculate the hash code, e.g. there's one so all default hash codes are just 0 for debugging)

[ocean quartz]

A quick example of how funky mutable keys can be

[wind patio]

some of the known methods is using marsaglia xor-shift alg

but the impl itself is not rly known

[potent nest]

I mean you can just look at the code if you want to know

https://github.com/openjdk/jdk/blob/784f11c35d7f8646c7354c756ac8801a3d685874/src/hotspot/share/runtime/synchronizer.cpp#L981

[crude cloud]

i like the one that always returns 0

or was it 1?

[potent nest]

ah it's 1, yeah

[crude cloud]

im gonna use that as default in prod

[potent nest]

jshell> new Object().hashCode()
$1 ==> 1

jshell> new Object().hashCode()
$2 ==> 1

jshell> new Object().hashCode()
$3 ==> 1

[ocean quartz]

I like value = 0xBAD; , value equals bad lol

[potent nest]

reminds me of https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/tools/tidy/src/style.rs#L68-L72

[ocean quartz]

Lmao

I personally like 3405697037

[distant sun]

And what does that mean?

Ah lol https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexspeak

[distant sun]

Basic Git (3+ year work experience)
O.o

[fleet bay]

What's better to do? Using Laravel as a separate application from the front-end or using Laravel and the front-end together?

[wind patio]

i'd just do both

you can pair any frontend framework with it using Inertia

https://inertiajs.com/

(any being Vue2/3, React, Svelte)

[fleet bay]

Alright

Do u perfer one? @wind patio

[wind patio]

well I heard good things about Svelte

personally I'd go with React since I know it best, so that's a biased opinion.

[pastel imp]

svelte on top

[wintry plinth]

Laravel+Vue is easier to pick-up, we use it at https://analyse.net

[timber oak]

Does anyone know a good API for particles? To spawn for example a wave of particles?

[wintry plinth]

But otherwise Laravel+React is good

[timber oak]

I know it can be done with just math but yeah

[civic cairn]

I dont think one exists

ParticleBuilder from paper can help you eliminate the boilerplate though

[agile galleon]

I do Laravel + Svelte, both goated frameworks

[steel heart]

jQuery is pretty nice :)

[cinder flare]

Yeah, 15 years ago boomer

[agile galleon]

yeah blade is also very cool

[cinder flare]

Blade is surprisingly nice, coming from like Django Templates and ERB and Thymeleaf

[oblique heath]

erb 😔