dev-general

[prisma wave]

elara

[static zealot]

haskell of course

oh

thought he's talking about elara

[half harness]

uh

[prisma wave]

lol

idk

[static zealot]

what language is what in?

[prisma wave]

let chars = input |> stringToList |> map charToInt |> filter (\x -> x /= -1) i think this is fairly obvious though?

[half harness]

oh wait nevermind
I thought you were talking about elara

[prisma wave]

if you know what |> does

[prisma wave]

i am

we are

i think

[static zealot]

🤣

[prisma wave]

idk bro

[static zealot]

I've got no clue what |> does

[prisma wave]

it's like | in bash

or even just like . in kotlin

[steel heart]

Has elara actually made any real progress ? :o

[static zealot]

ok. why |>? is there a specific reason? a mathematical notation maybe?

or was that what you thought is cool?

[half harness]

it looks kinda cool 🥲
but I feel like it'd slow down the typing a bit

[static zealot]

btw, I can't find the last commit. I'm not sure which repo I'm actually supposed to look at?

[steel heart]

Triangle |>

Looks kinda pretty :)

[prisma wave]

yes!!! it works for a lot of simple examples

like actually works

with 1 very small catch

[steel heart]

lmao

[prisma wave]

looks like a left to right arrow

[static zealot]

🤣 (just to make it clear, this was meant for the "with 1 very small catch" message)

[static zealot]

ok. I'm not 100% sure about that. maybe with different fonts? but sure

[steel heart]

Do we get to know the “exploit”?

[prisma wave]

you have to disable the jvm security verification lmao

[steel heart]

[static zealot]

elara == virus confirmed!

(you can probably tell I don't actually know what the security verification does, I just assumed from the name)

[prisma wave]

it's kinda virus protection

its mainly protection against stuff like buffer overflows

from malicious bytecode

or bad compilers like mine

[steel heart]

[prisma wave]

with ligatures it does

[static zealot]

nice

[prisma wave]

as for why it's needed in the first place, the trick is that things like filter and map are all just top level functions rather than methods. so you could also do map charToInt ['1', '2', '3']. the |> just swaps the arguments - ['1', '2', '3'] |> map charToInt is the same

so you get something that looks kinda like OOP without actually needing objects

[prisma wave]

yeah thats the only issue really, it's kinda hard to type

not settled on the idea, might change it

[prisma wave]

https://github.com/ElaraLang/elara/tree/master ❤️

i think i will hopefully get a 1.0 release working by the end of this year

thats my new years resolution

[static zealot]

the thing about new year resolutions is that they usually don't come true (see PlaceholderAPI 3 for reference 🤣)

[prisma wave]

true...

but papi3 has higher expectations so it's easier to get burnt out

whereas im just making this for me

[distant sun]

Jokes on them

[static zealot]

True. Well, I understand almost nothing of your haskell code but that's because I've never used haskell

[prisma wave]

😌

almost nothing?

[steel heart]

Haskell is pure torture

[prisma wave]

😦

no

[static zealot]

yeah

[prisma wave]

its fun

[steel heart]

Na Alex u don’t understand the amount of theory and code we had to write in haskell

[prisma wave]

whats wrong with that!!

[steel heart]

you sound exactly like our teacher’s assistant lol, he just went nuts w it

I mean the basics are fine, I think what got most annoying was when we had to do actual projects and not just simple tasks

[prisma wave]

what kinda things did you do?

[steel heart]

parsers, raytracing, wait let me check the other stuff

[static zealot]

Well, at least you should thank your teacher for not making you do it in C#

[prisma wave]

wow thats sick

like monadic parsers?

[steel heart]

Sorting as well

[steel heart]

I think it was called that

[prisma wave]

does that count as an "actual project" lol

[steel heart]

well, we get a week to do these things

And they have to pass a set of unit tests and be… well… cleanly written

[steel heart]

Isn’t C# like a dream to work in

Got everything Java does not have

[prisma wave]

its also fuck ugly

[steel heart]

lol

true

[static zealot]

yeah. I was moslty talking about aspect 🤣

it does have some nice features that java is missing such as operator overload

[steel heart]

fairs

Is operator overloading actually nice tho?

It can be hella confusing also

[prisma wave]

imagine not having custom operators

[prisma wave]

where you have like newtype Parser a = String -> (a, Maybe String)

and compose them

rather than just writing a recursive descent or whatever

[steel heart]

static final BinaryOperator<Vector> MUL = (v1,v2) -> …;

Isn’t this just, enough?

Yeah alex, I kinda forgor almost everything since we moved on to rust

:ac_cat_smile:

[prisma wave]

NOOOO

u fell off

[static zealot]

❤️

[steel heart]

Lmao

[prisma wave]

rust is like when someone says your joke louder

takes all of haskells good ideas and makes them mid

[steel heart]

lol

Tbf haskell is really cool, esp how it works underneath with its gc and everything

[prisma wave]

yes!!!

[steel heart]

But its just… too pure

[prisma wave]

no!!!

[steel heart]

Lol, but !!! is just a triple negation, so u mean no!!!=no!=yes ?

[prisma wave]

no 😦

[steel heart]

😈

[prisma wave]

im biased here but i think the coding style that haskell forces you into is how most software should be written anyway

obviously it gets a bit silly when you need a whole monad stack for like logging

but the whole architecture of pure "core" surrounded by impure makes a lot of sense imo

in any language

[steel heart]

Hmmm, well I haven’t read any larger code base that does this, would certainly be intriguing tho tbf

I think Java and all these other languages allows you to be “lazy” with how you write your code, that is writing code that may cause code symptoms in the future, unlike haskell to some aspect

[prisma wave]

yup

[steel heart]

Yeah obviously you can write shit code in Haskell also, but like

its easier to not do it, if that makes sense, at least on the scale in which I touched it

[prisma wave]

yes

very much so

same with rust, in a different way. its a lot harder to learn & write, but in return, you get code thats much more maintainable, and much safer to run

refactoring pure functions is so easy it's basically impossible to break anything

[steel heart]

indeed

[prisma wave]

having to "tag" all side-effects with a monad means it's impossible to accidentally add some code that changes a variable at the wrong time

[steel heart]

The only bit I didn’t appreciate with Rust was multithreading, but maybe just since I’m used to Java and TS/JS

[static zealot]

I should probably put aside helpchat stuff and actually start learning rust. I've been saying I'll do it since last year ||funny, I know|| (for a few months now).

[prisma wave]

doesnt rust have async await

[steel heart]

Something like that

[steel heart]

very true

[prisma wave]

so its the same as js lol

[steel heart]

well except u dont have the gc

[static zealot]

isn't that like one of rust's "features"?

[prisma wave]

yes

no GC and no memory leaks

[prisma wave]

sure but does that make a huge difference?

idk ive not actually seen it

but async/await cant be too outlandish

[steel heart]

Ugh, I think its just cause I’m used to java async which is fairly rich and these high level langs with side effects where u can just dump everything when done w it

I mean its not that it was hard, just ran into a lot of issues quickly

[prisma wave]

rust isn’t pure lol

im guessing u more mean all the memory stuff was hard?

[steel heart]

yea

[prisma wave]

yeah that checks out

although i think it's still better than java's in a lot of ways

since the memory model means it's a lot harder to get race conditions or concurrent mutation or whatever

[pastel imp]

I just remembered, I forgot to update BetterJDocs lol

fk

[ivory crow]

How do servers like this one make their prefixes these images?

Dang

I can't post images

[pastel imp]

uh?

[compact perch]

FAQ Answer:

You won't be able to upload images here directly to avoid spam, so please use https://imgur.com/upload to upload images/screenshots.
You can also use a screenshot service like gyazo or jinx and post those links here.

Requested by: dkim19375 • imgur

[half harness]

I assume they mean the rank things

but idk how to do that

[brittle leaf]

resource pack

replacing a unicode character with png image

[steel heart]

Yeah, sorry my flight just landed now, but its powerful i believe, just hard to use imo with lifetimes, borrows and ownerships (and then well, you run into a lot of small issues in my experience )

[timber obsidian]

does anyone know a good plugin where you can use vault eco money to pay to create a private warp. You can have unlimited just costs money to create a warp

[bronze ice]

Guys, a small question if i can resolve this problem, i do now a cracked server for all players to can join, the problem is, i think because of launcher, someone with SKLauncher sees my design heads placed on ground like notch heads, its supposed to look like bedrock and other skins of npc looks different, its possible to resolve this or its launcher problems?

[ivory crow]

Like this:
https://imgur.com/a/xrJaWyD

[long dagger]

it uses a resource pack which replaces unicode characters to images

[gloomy anchor]

can I somehow stop player from closing GUI

[inner umbra]

No. Can only reopen it.

[gloomy anchor]

its npc give it to him co claim item but if he closes it he cant claim it again sooo maybe with permissions ?

[inner umbra]

Probably your best bet.

[distant sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/s/jelbqlJwAL

[distant sun]

Wrong channel @atomic kestrel don't spam every channel

[atomic kestrel]

what channel do i post it in

offtopic is fine?

[distant sun]

Wrong channel @gloomy anchor

[agile galleon]

I'm so confused

skullMeta.setOwningPlayer(Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(someUUID)) doesn't work while skullMeta.setOwningPlayer(Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(someName)) works??

[surreal garnet]

Yeahhhhh welcome to Minecraft lmao

[sly sonnet]

dont use cracked uuids

[surreal garnet]

Don’t think they’re intending it that way

Probably something like a island top gui where you need the players skull even if they’re offline

Unless I’m thinking of something totally different

[agile galleon]

?

[agile galleon]

pretty much

just for a GUI

[surreal garnet]

Yeah figured

Check if getOfflinePlayer accepts UUIDs

[inner umbra]

Is the offlineplayer from someUUID null?

[surreal garnet]

Just to be sure

[agile galleon]

nop

it works when the player is online

pretty sure it doesnt work for other players is because it doesnt make that http request it would when passing a name

idk

[inner umbra]

Might be a bug on spigots end then.

[agile galleon]

one second

ah shit buildtools

[agile galleon]

how do i get access to the patched jars where i can take a look at the code

[inner umbra]

--remapped

[agile galleon]

?

[brittle leaf]

run the server once, then itll be under versions or cache and open with like recaf or something

[agile galleon]

i tried

oh didnt check under versions

[brittle leaf]

the spigot, paper, etc jars are just small boot programs that dont actually provide the mojang jars

if its not found they download them and patch them on the fly and then the jar is stored under either versions or cache, dont rememeber which

[agile galleon]

yeah

just opened the file but

it doesnt have Bukkit.java?

nvm

CraftServer does the job

yeap

only gets all the important stuff if its a name

[inner umbra]

Open the jar with winrar (or your preferred) open META-INF then versions

[agile galleon]

tf

[inner umbra]

Otherwise go to your local git repo org/spigotmc/spigot

[brittle leaf]

org.bukkit.Bukkit

it should be there

[agile galleon]

yea i got it

[brittle leaf]

tho in intellij if your using someething like paperweight you should have access to bukkit internals and you can just middle click to see its code

[agile galleon]

i am not

yeah so basically when you get the name, it does a request and creates a real GameProfile internally so that works

if you get the uuid, and it isn't cached yet, it just creates a game profile CraftGameProfile{UUID:Bla}

without all the important internal stuff attached so thats that

so thats stupid

[brittle leaf]

why?

[agile galleon]

because Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(playerUUID) != Bukkit.getOfflinePlayer(playerName)

[brittle leaf]

makes sense?

[agile galleon]

it should be the same player?

[brittle leaf]

it would be the same wouldnt it?

[agile galleon]

its not?

thats what i just said?

[brittle leaf]

from what i can tell they both would get the same profile

[agile galleon]

nope

i mean if its cached yes

[brittle leaf]

id assume they would cache all players that have played before

[agile galleon]

yes

they do

and those results are the same

[brittle leaf]

but if a player hasnt played before they arent the same? is that what youre trying to say?

that makes sense

[agile galleon]

exactly xD

i wouldn't mind if they weren't the same

they just had to include the same information

[brittle leaf]

from what i can tell the only thing that would be different is the uuid and player name, the rest is default data

because neither method would call the mojang api to get the correct other data, if you had uuid call for correct username, if you have username call for correct uuid

[half harness]

Spigot does this too now?

On spigot don't you run buildtools to get the server jar

[crude cloud]

yes

[distant sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/s/YvhmQB13bk wew ..

[bronze ice]

Guys, do you know a plugin that is similar to Bungee Advanced Proxy ?

[sour stag]

hello i need help

can someone help me with sourcecode to jar file?

i tried maven install but it failed

[distant sun]

wrong chat @visual schooner

[sour stag]

@distant sun

can you help me with that please

[distant sun]

I dont got time

[sour stag]

its easy probably for u

to fix it please gaby

we have been friends for years now

@distant sun please man

[distant sun]

What have you tried and what happened?

[sour stag]

i tried maven build

and it failed

ill send u the github link okay?

to the sourcecode

check dms @distant sun

[distant sun]

with what error message?

[sour stag]

idk

it didnt show up

u got the sourcecode link in dms

[distant sun]

do mvn package

[sour stag]

how i do that

xd

[distant sun]

open a console and type it?

[sour stag]

it says mvn is not recognized

idk how to open an console

[distant sun]

download maven, google how to do that

[sour stag]

i have maven installed

[distant sun]

if mvn is not recognized, you don't / you didn't finish the install process

[sour stag]

i got an error

do you want to see the error message?

@distant sun

when i did mvn package

build failure

[ERROR] Please refer to dump files (if any exist) [date].dump, [date]-jvmRun[N].dump and [date].dumpstream.
[ERROR] There was an error in the forked process
[ERROR] TestEngine with ID 'junit-vintage' failed to discover tests
[ERROR] org.apache.maven.surefire.booter.SurefireBooterForkException: There was an error in the forked process
[ERROR] TestEngine with ID 'junit-vintage' failed to discover tests
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.surefire.booterclient.ForkStarter.fork(ForkStarter.java:631)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.surefire.booterclient.ForkStarter.run(ForkStarter.java:285)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.surefire.booterclient.ForkStarter.run(ForkStarter.java:250)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.surefire.AbstractSurefireMojo.executeProvider(AbstractSurefireMojo.java:1240)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.surefire.AbstractSurefireMojo.executeAfterPreconditionsChecked(AbstractSurefireMojo.java:1089)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.surefire.AbstractSurefireMojo.execute(AbstractSurefireMojo.java:905)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.DefaultBuildPluginManager.executeMojo(DefaultBuildPluginManager.java:126)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.doExecute2(MojoExecutor.java:328)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.doExecute(MojoExecutor.java:316)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.execute(MojoExecutor.java:212)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.execute(MojoExecutor.java:174)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.access$000(MojoExecutor.java:75)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor$1.run(MojoExecutor.java:162)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.plugin.DefaultMojosExecutionStrategy.execute(DefaultMojosExecutionStrategy.java:39)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.MojoExecutor.execute(MojoExecutor.java:159)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.LifecycleModuleBuilder.buildProject(LifecycleModuleBuilder.java:105)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.LifecycleModuleBuilder.buildProject(LifecycleModuleBuilder.java:73)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.builder.singlethreaded.SingleThreadedBuilder.build(SingleThreadedBuilder.java:53)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.lifecycle.internal.LifecycleStarter.execute(LifecycleStarter.java:118)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.DefaultMaven.doExecute(DefaultMaven.java:261)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.DefaultMaven.doExecute(DefaultMaven.java:173)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.DefaultMaven.execute(DefaultMaven.java:101)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.cli.MavenCli.execute(MavenCli.java:906)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.cli.MavenCli.doMain(MavenCli.java:283)
[ERROR]         at org.apache.maven.cli.MavenCli.main(MavenCli.java:206)
[ERROR]         at java.base/jdk.internal.reflect.DirectMethodHandleAccessor.invoke(DirectMethodHandleAccessor.java:103)
[ERROR]         at java.base/java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:580)
[ERROR]         at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.launchEnhanced(Launcher.java:283)
[ERROR]         at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.launch(Launcher.java:226)
[ERROR]         at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.mainWithExitCode(Launcher.java:407)
[ERROR]         at org.codehaus.plexus.classworlds.launcher.Launcher.main(Launcher.java:348)
[ERROR]
[ERROR] -> [Help 1]
[ERROR]
[ERROR] To see the full stack trace of the errors, re-run Maven with the -e switch.
[ERROR] Re-run Maven using the -X switch to enable full debug logging.

this is the error

@distant sun

[pastel imp]

for god sake

if you are trying to compile a freemium plugin

then either learn how to properly do it

or just buy it.

don't expect other people to spoon feed you

[wind patio]

sheesh

blud just message posted entire log

[wind patio]

but yeah true

[distant sun]

+1

[karmic beacon]

package org.core.chunkloaders;

import me.clip.placeholderapi.expansion.PlaceholderExpansion;
import org.bukkit.entity.Player;

public class ChunkLoaderPlaceholder extends PlaceholderExpansion {

private ChunkLoaders plugin;

public ChunkLoaderPlaceholder(ChunkLoaders plugin) {
    this.plugin = plugin;
}

@Override
public boolean persist() {
    return true;
}

@Override
public boolean canRegister() {
    return true;
}

@Override
public String getIdentifier() {
    return "chunkloader";
}

@Override
public String getAuthor() {
    return "YourName";
}

@Override
public String getVersion() {
    return "1.0";
}

@Override
public String onRequest(Player player, String identifier) {
    if (identifier.equals("countdown")) {
        long expirationTime = plugin.getExpirationTime(player);
        if (expirationTime > 0) {
            long currentTime = System.currentTimeMillis();
            long remainingTime = expirationTime - currentTime;
            
            long remainingDays = remainingTime / (24 * 60 * 60 * 1000L);
            long remainingHours = (remainingTime % (24 * 60 * 60 * 1000L)) / (60 * 60 * 1000L);
            long remainingMinutes = (remainingTime % (60 * 60 * 1000L)) / (60 * 1000L);
            long remainingSeconds = (remainingTime % (60 * 1000L)) / 1000L;
            
            return remainingDays + "d " + remainingHours + "h " + remainingMinutes + "m " + remainingSeconds + "s";
        }
    }

    return null;
}

}

@Override
public String onRequest(Player player, String identifier) {
if (identifier.equals("countdown")) {
long expirationTime = plugin.getExpirationTime(player);
if (expirationTime > 0) {
long currentTime = System.currentTimeMillis();
long remainingTime = expirationTime - currentTime;

            long remainingDays = remainingTime / (24 * 60 * 60 * 1000L);
            long remainingHours = (remainingTime % (24 * 60 * 60 * 1000L)) / (60 * 60 * 1000L);
            long remainingMinutes = (remainingTime % (60 * 60 * 1000L)) / (60 * 1000L);
            long remainingSeconds = (remainingTime % (60 * 1000L)) / 1000L;

            return remainingDays + "d " + remainingHours + "h " + remainingMinutes + "m " + remainingSeconds + "s";
        }
    }

    return null;
}

} this method here @Override is underlined in red. Any idea how to fix?

[pastel imp]

1. use https://paste.helpch.at
2. Use the power of your IDE and check what it says lol. Maybe it's not even needed (didn't read the code)

[karmic beacon]

read it lol

[pastel imp]

too much work if you won't even properly send it. + 98% of the time it's user error, so check the IDE, I am not your parent and you are not a baby that needs to be spoon fed

[distant sun]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/s/hwZb1zepcH tbh

[slate elk]

anyone here worked on model language?

i work with foregin language

pretty good contract not sure where to start from how ever

i imagine

to just use the input and args in text for example if "what is a good present for a women" then build (what is good present for women) and return answers

[slate elk]

i found a person who will be translator

how ever

what do i need

PDF books

so it memorize ways words > words and etc

[cerulean ibex]

what the fuck are you saying tony

[crude cloud]

typical

[wind patio]

the fuck lmao

[ornate nimbus]

Tony is confusing me

[cerulean ibex]

Tony is confusing me

[wind patio]

how much of a difference can L3 Cache make when in comes to a minecraft server?

CPUs in question 7900 vs 7950x3d (64mb / 128mb)

[humble prism]

#1174264762486505533 message

not exactly what youre looking for but the "most" information on the topic i have seen

in admincraft

[potent nest]

probably not noticeable

[agile galleon]

^

It is noticeable for very optimized apps with high data throughput but eh Minecraft isn't

[inner umbra]

Is it possible to set a limit of parameters provided when your method has method(Object... obj) {}
Ex; method(int[3]... values) Would require 3 ints.

Just preference. Its a bit cleaner than method(int i1, int i2, int i3).

[potent nest]

no

I also wouldn't say it's cleaner normally

[inner umbra]

Just preference.

[potent nest]

bad preference

[inner umbra]

I can say the same to you xD

Thats why its preference.

[potent nest]

well, I'm not using varargs in situations where vargargs shouldn't be used

[inner umbra]

🤷

[steel heart]

You lose the ability to name each parameter which sucks, weird preference :>

[inner umbra]

Didn't need the parameters to be named and the order only matters to me.

[grave tiger]

Can someone help me with something important about custome plugins? If yes dm me please

[prisma wave]

create a dependently typed subset of java such that you can encode the length of a vector into its type & then use that :))

[distant sun]

FixedSizeList3<T>

[wind patio]

Thruple<T>

[distant sun]

[potent nest]

Tripel, oder Tuple3

[crude cloud]

Tuple3 extends Tuple2

https://github.com/reactor/reactor-core/blob/eb8bf055f22b7e95e53b35be783b74278d81cf4b/reactor-core/src/main/java/reactor/util/function/Tuple7.java#L38

[wind patio]

💀

[potent nest]

peak OOP

[wind patio]

the level of abstraction 😩😩😩

creamy

[solemn laurel]

when do we get Tuple1

Tuples.singleton

[ocean quartz]

Why stop at 7 :)
https://github.com/arrow-kt/arrow/blob/main/arrow-libs/core/arrow-core/src/commonMain/kotlin/arrow/core/TupleN.kt#L248

[remote goblet]

oh this is beautiful

why stop at 22

we should have one for every letter of the alphabet

[flint crow]

that sounds like something i would do

[remote goblet]

it does you're right

find god

[steel heart]

lol

[uneven stone]

is there a way to convert 1.20.2 texturepack to 1.18?

[stoic spear]

@ocean quartz i sent a message on #1191515714033565738that i could make a free plugin.. but now i cant make a paid service, it should not let be friendly and do free things then ruin business.

i have deleted the post, can u open for me for a paid offer service?

[pastel imp]

what? in english?

[agile galleon]

I'm confused as well

[stoic spear]

what

i cannot post in #1191515714033565738

i posted a free service, to be friendly, but that means I cannot earn money when being friendly.

[pastel imp]

so? your decision to make it free?

[pastel imp]

also, what does one have todo with the other?

[sturdy zinc]

I was just asked about the update needed on my plugin about Papi not supporting my placholder format by 2.13.0

come to find out the issue is Purpur most likely

[ancient nova]

Any where

To find a dev?

[half harness]

#1191515713022738634 or #1191515716608868402

[wind patio]

bruh moment?

[prisma wave]

Update shadow plugin

it could be from library code

[wind patio]

ah true

now i remember updating to on my other project when I had this issue

also, anyone tried using JOOQ in minecraft plugins?

[prisma wave]

emily has i believe

@crude cloud can you confirm 🥺

[candid turtle]

anyone know how to change the mincraft version of a mod from 1.20 to 1.19.2?????

[crude cloud]

I can

uh I don't think I've used it in mc? but, it's not like that really matters

[wind patio]

true

was just wondering if there are any caveats of integrating into a plugin, though I suppose thats kinda a dumb question

[brittle leaf]

potentially very painfully

[candid turtle]

can u try for me?

[brittle leaf]

i cannot

if your wanting someone to do it for you then #1191515713022738634 #1191515716608868402

[slate elk]

im back

😄 😄 ❤️

[crude cloud]

that's unfortunate

[flint crow]

why i see everyone hating on tony 💀

do i miss some helpchat lore?

[pallid gale]

Who knows

[solid loom]

hey

[agile galleon]

Maybe, just maybe

[humble prism]

have you missed Tony's random convos with himself

[flint crow]

oh that? i ve even replied to those

v relatable ngl

Don't you talk to yourself too?

that's rly normal

[humble prism]

not.. In a public discord

multiple times

[flint crow]

welp, ye mby, idk haven't happened to me yet

i only scream on my servers chat n talk alone there

[gilded girder]

Same

Keeps us sane Kris

[modern coral]

Hello!

Could someone help me with a question?
My server is version 1.20.1 and when entering with 1.8, people sometimes do not load the chunks, the players and entities also become invisible.
Does anyone know how to solve it?

---

¡Hola!

¿Alguien podría ayudarme con una duda?
Mi servidor es versión 1.20.1 y al entrar con la 1.8 a la gente a veces no le cargan los chunks, se hacen invisibles los jugadores y las entidades tambien.
Alguno sabe como solucionarlo?

[surreal garnet]

Don’t use 1.8

Just for the soul fact of, that is 12 major versions different. So there’s bound to be compatibility issues.

[modern coral]

No solutionv

?

[surreal garnet]

Not really.

Either support less versions, or just take it at face value that there’s going to be issues between those versions.

ViaVer has fixed a lot of the issues, but some are core game mechanics that can’t be changed.

[inner umbra]

Wrong channel. Use #minecraft
Gonna assume you're using ViaVersion so I recommend asking there.

[timber oak]

Does someone know a good book about design patterns?

[prisma wave]

effective java

it doesnt necessarily discuss the Piss Poop Factory pattern but in my experience you dont actually need a lot of these patterns (hence the hilarious name)

[timber oak]

Oh I was actually going to try to learn the Factory pattern rn lol

[prisma wave]

i didnt actually mean Factory was bad, that's quite a common one

and a fairly easy one

but some of them get a bit silly

i have never used the Bridge pattern in my life and couldnt tell you what it is

[timber oak]

I'm about to setup a system of custom enchants for a prison server. Not sure what the most optimal way is, I usually just use a "manager" that handles everything and then something like an interface called CustomEnchants

[prisma wave]

though i probably have accidentally used it

[timber oak]

Lmao aight I see, there are probably a lot of patterns out there that aren't really that useful

[prisma wave]

maybe they are useful but just niche

[timber oak]

Do you have any recommendations for setting this up?

[static zealot]

I believe he does

[prisma wave]

uhhh

[static zealot]

#development message

[prisma wave]

i mean it depends what specifically you want

[timber oak]

How did you even find that so fast? hahah

[prisma wave]

yeah this is good but i wouldnt really say it's using any Design Patterns™️

[timber oak]

Enchants for a pickaxe in prison that can be like jackhammer, explosive etc. but also fortune, efficiency and so on

[prisma wave]

yeah lol, i mean what advice you want

about which aspects of design

i think going into a project thinking "I'm going to use a Factory pattern and a Delegate pattern and a Proxy pattern" is a bit of a fallacy though. the patterns exist to solve particular problems, you shouldn't be reaching them until you get that problem

[timber oak]

Basically how should I separate the classes? I was thinking just interface CustomEnchant an EnchantManager and then a package of implementations

[prisma wave]

yeah that seems fine tbh

[timber oak]

Yeah but I want to make the code easily extensible and easy to use

Without making it a mess lol

[prisma wave]

sure, which is where refactoring comes into play

because as you're designing the system unless you spend hours planning, you cant know specifically what issues you'll run into

so the best thing to do imo is design it badly first, then do a big refactor once you know all the constraints

[static zealot]

even when I try to plan a lot in advance I just end up spending more time on the initial mess and still refactoring

[prisma wave]

if u just want to make something simple that works i think my example will do you pretty well though

[static zealot]

so just having a fast POC is usually pretty good

[timber oak]

Gotcha, that's what I do most of the time lol, a lot of refactoring, and then I suppose I just need to learn from my mistakes / refactoring?

[timber oak]

Yeah same lol

[prisma wave]

if you're doing that already then you probably dont even need to change much of your behaviour

[timber oak]

I just want to learn making "professional" code ig

[timber oak]

POC?

[static zealot]

short for proof of concept

[prisma wave]

eventually you might get an intuition like "oh this would suit a factory" but i dont think it's strictly necessary outside of technical interviews

[timber oak]

Ah makes sense ye

[timber oak]

What defines a factory though? It's just what would create the enchant instances in this example right? Or what

[prisma wave]

factory pattern is really useful when you

1. want to hide exactly which implementation is being created to avoid leaking implementation details
2. need to do a lot of complex logic for creating an object
3. both of the above

[timber oak]

Oh so this is actually a factory? https://paste.helpch.at/vumubigusa.typescript

[prisma wave]

i dont think so

i mean, yes, if you squint

[static zealot]

🤣

[prisma wave]

but these patterns are usually a lot more atomic in that they literally only do one thing, this is doing a lot more than just creating objects

[timber oak]

Makes sense lol, so factory only creates the instances really?

[timber oak]

If I did that in this case it would be way too abstract imo, right?

[prisma wave]

yes, exclusively instance creation with maybe caching as a treat

[prisma wave]

it depends just how enterprise-ready OOP you want to design things

you could turn this into 5 different classes and it might be more "well-designed" but it arguably wouldn't matter

[static zealot]

If you just want to understand what factory pattern is, there are some easy to google resources out there. You can also find common java patterns and what they are.

[prisma wave]

true

[timber oak]

Hmmm yeah I guess, but it wouldn't make it easier to understand, which is what I'm mostly going for

At least not easier to understand for me lol

[prisma wave]

it's quite subjective

[timber oak]

Yeah makes sense, just not sure when exactly to use it but yeah as bm (brister (idk lol)) just said it's subjective lol

[prisma wave]

the main benefit of enterprise-ing everything is futureproofing, in that making big changes later becomes a lot easier when you have clearly separated behaviour and lots of abstractions

though i think most plugins dont get big enough to matter

[static zealot]

True. Also, over "abstractisation" (is that the word?) is a thing

[prisma wave]

abstracting? perhaps

i'd just say over-engineering

and yeah it definitely is

theres a reason why theres the meme about AbstractProxyFactoryProviderBridgeBeanWrapper

[static zealot]

Oh Nial how I miss you

[prisma wave]

🥲

N.java was truly ahead of its time

[timber oak]

Lmao yeah I definitely won't end up there

I hope

[static zealot]

That's what everyone that ended up in there said

[timber oak]

Hahha but in some cases it's probably not bad, when developing bigger projects

[prisma wave]

yes and no

i'd argue this is just an example of OOP actually not being very good, but we can't really change that

the comically long class names is just the endgame of enterprise-design

[timber oak]

What would be better than OOP? Not really sure what the options are lol

[static zealot]

You've just opened Pandora's box

[prisma wave]

given that we're using java, nothing

hahahah

[static zealot]

Oh. Nvm

[prisma wave]

dont worry dont worry

i just had to get a little dig in

[static zealot]

Not overcomplicating it. Just go with the flow. If you feel something isn't right, rethink it

[timber oak]

Ye makes sense

[prisma wave]

java is inherently an OO language and while you can kinda incorporate other paradigms you cant really fundamentally change it (though you can get kinda close)

[timber oak]

But kinda curious what other options would be?

I've only ever used java, c# and a little python

[prisma wave]

do you mean for plugins or in general

[timber oak]

In general for programming

[timber oak]

Referring to this

[prisma wave]

hehe ok here we go

i am a big advocate of Functional Programming which is a totally different paradigm (i could write a whole essay on why I think it's better, but it's probably best not to do that)

a more conservative view, staying in the imperative world, is procedural programming (like C). a lot of modern languages like Rust and Zig are staying mostly procedural, with a few functional aspects incorporated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM1iUe6IofM this video is a big advocate of procedural programming instead

havent watched it in years, cant remember if it sucks or not

[timber oak]

Functional programming is for example Haskell right?

I remember looking at an example for it and the code just doesn't look right to me lol

It looks so damn confusing

[prisma wave]

yes

[timber oak]

But it's probably (definitely) because I'm so used to OOP

[prisma wave]

it's very different, totally different style of thinking

though that's only partly true

if you've used streams or completable futures in java, they're like a free trial of what FP is like

[static zealot]

Streams 🤤

[timber oak]

Oh, how's that? I'm starting to like streams more and more

But in functional programming do you not have methods etc? How can you run a section of code multiple times without just looping or statically writing it every time?

[static zealot]

You have functions

[prisma wave]

well, the functional paradigm is basically this: you dont have any mutable variables, you do all your work by combining pure (meaning they dont modify anything) functions on data. that's it.

you have functions yes

as for loops, that depends on the language

and how "deep" you wanna go

[timber oak]

Ohhhh what that seems annoying to work with lol

Your language is based on Haskell isn't it? Can't remember

[static zealot]

@timber oak this recent video actually helped me grasp at least some small parts of functional programming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuML9SmdbJ4

[timber oak]

Watching later, thanks :))

[prisma wave]

so for example, let's make a very contrived example of adding together the first 10 even numbers. in imperative java we'd write it like this: ```java
int total = 0;
for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
if (i % 2 == 0) {
total += i;
}
}

whereas with "functional java" using streams it's more like ```java
int total = 
  IntStream.ofRange(0, 10)
      .filter(i -> i % 2 == 0)
      .sum();

and then the haskell equivalent ```hs
total :: Int
total = sum (filter (\i -> i % 2 == 0) [0..10])

you can see that the last 2 are quite similar (excluding syntax), and I think they're a lot more obvious on what you're actually doing - there's no changing variables you have to keep track of, the code doesn't keep jumping up and down between blocks

the key difference is more general and it's between the Imperative paradgigms (which includes OOP) and the Declarative paradigms (which includes FP)

In imperative programming you write code which says how to do what you want
whereas in declarative programming you just write code which says what you want

[timber oak]

Ahhh yeah that actually looks nice enough, but isn't that just because there's a function called sum that calculates the sum with given filter on given array?

[prisma wave]

speaking from experience you 100% get used to it, though it can take a while

[prisma wave]

sure, there's no magic going on here

it's just a different style of expressing the same problem

[prisma wave]

yup

[timber oak]

there's no changing variables you have to keep track of, the code doesn't keep jumping up and down between blocks
Yeah I can agree with this, that's actually nice and easy to read if you understand what's happening

[prisma wave]

now take those ideas and apply them to the entire programmming language :))

[timber oak]

Not really sure what the difference between those 2 explanations are sorry

[timber oak]

Ah I see

[timber oak]

I like being able to kind of use both in Java. I wouldn't survive without non-pure functions lol

[prisma wave]

notice in the first example you’re specifically writing all the little details: do this, then loop over blah, then add blah, etc

Whereas in the second example you’re almost just writing English: “give me the sum of every number from 0 to 10 that’s divisible by 2”

The key difference is that the declarative style doesn’t really care about how the code actually works

[timber oak]

But isn't that hidden away behind the sum function in Haskell anyway? Like the stream in java

[timber oak]

Makes sense, but also seems like it makes it way more difficult to debug

[prisma wave]

yeah thats fair, and it wouldnt be very productive in java anyway as the language isnt designed for it. though there are libraries like Vavr which can help you get close. and really it's more about limiting impurity rather than removing it altogether, because every non-trivial program needs some impurity, even in haskell

[prisma wave]

yes and no, it's hidden away, sure, but in haskell the implementation is also declarative. the streams library is so complicated i honestly have no idea how it's implemented specifically, but consider parallel streams. they automatically split the work between threads and none of the code you write changes. the implementation might be very different to sequential streams

again, there's no magic here, it's just a higher level of abstraction

just like in java you dont have to care about manual memory management because the language takes care of it for you

go 1 level up, and you dont have to care about the messy mutable implementations

[timber oak]

Do you know roughly how it would look in the haskell implementation? And yeah I've never dared even looking into how streams work, I just use them and try different stuff until it works lol

[prisma wave]

thats an interesting answer, though i think it's usually the opposite. when you have pure, mathematical functions, they're a lot easier to test - so much so that you can often write tests which, for example, prove that the sum function always works for any combination of inputs. more complicated debugging is hard in haskell but for a different reason

[prisma wave]

sum [] = 0
sum (x:xs) = x + sum xs

[timber oak]

That's because of the garbage collector or something right? Is that not a thing in haskell? Or any functional programming languages in that case?

[prisma wave]

in reality it'll be something much more efficient than this but this is the simplest and cleanest implementation

[timber oak]

This might be very wrong lol

[prisma wave]

That's because of the garbage collector or something right?
yes*
Is that not a thing in haskell?
no, it is, it almost has to be

it's very hard to design a proper functional language without a gc for various reasons

but that's kinda not relevant

im more just talking about the principle of languages building abstractions

[timber oak]

Ah yeah that's true, you can easily test if the outputs are what's to be expected, but if they aren't I wouldn't know where to begin to figure out what's wrong

[prisma wave]

thats when you do have to start looking at the implementation

theres no magic fix there (though a few languages attempt some)

[timber oak]

It's what C++ doesn't have right? So you have to manage the memory usage yourself

[prisma wave]

yes

C would be a better example since I think C++ does have some memory utilities now, though not a GC

you have to manually allocate and free memory

in java you don't

[timber oak]

At the implementation? As in the code of the function or whatever? I suppose debugging that might be very similar to Java, I'm just not familiar with it

[prisma wave]

yes, the code

[timber oak]

That seems like a nightmare ngl

[prisma wave]

given that it's caused probably 90% of bugs in all software, you're probably right

or more generally, C not being memory-safe has caused 90% of all bugs

not just the manual management

[timber oak]

I've only just learned how IntelliJ debug system works, and that beats everything for me lol, it's actually so nice

[prisma wave]

yeah it's really nice

[timber oak]

Is C++ built on C? Or what is the relation between the two?

[prisma wave]

it was, originally

nowadays theyre so different there's not many similarities apart from main syntax

[timber oak]

Sorry most of these questions could probably be googled lol, you're just good at explaining :))

I appreciate you taking your time to help

[prisma wave]

the original elevator pitch for C++ was "C with classes"

nah it's cool, i enjoy talking about stuff like this anyway

[compact perch]

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[timber oak]

Ah alright I see, but C++ is the most common language in that "category" right? At least for modern applications

[prisma wave]

wheres the names lol

[static zealot]

We are just numbers now

[prisma wave]

which category? languages without gc's?

[prisma wave]

nowadays it's more like "C with a billion overcomplicated features that arguably make the language worse"

[timber oak]

xp? From sending messages?

[prisma wave]

yeah

[timber oak]

Yeah I suppose

[prisma wave]

i think it's to prove that i clearly dont mind talking here lol

[static zealot]

As you can see, there's no one who likes talking more than me and BM :))

[prisma wave]

yep haha

[timber oak]

So you don't like C++ it seems lmao

[prisma wave]

C is probably more popular from raw numbers

[prisma wave]

ive never properly used it actually, but yeah im not a big fan

[timber oak]

Hahah yeah I see

Damn

[prisma wave]

dear god

[timber oak]

Hahahah

[remote goblet]

brister loves to just yap

[prisma wave]

true...

only when it's about programming languages

anything else is boring

[onyx loom]

covid be like

[timber oak]

But mostly on older software no?

[prisma wave]

uhh

im honestly not sure on the exact numbers

[timber oak]

Almost 200k tho

[prisma wave]

nvm C++ is more popular according to stackoverflow 2023

[prisma wave]

the good old days

[static zealot]

its over 200k. those are just the ones you can see

[prisma wave]

of being the most obnoxious people imaginable

[prisma wave]

though C is very close behind

given that SO is probably biased to more modern projects it's probably safe to call them even

[timber oak]

But that's probably just people using it right now? I mean like C is older so it's probably used in more software through the time?

I have no idea if that even makes sense lol

[timber oak]

Wait fr?

[prisma wave]

yes and probably yes

it's hard to say about the exact details but for example Linux is still entirely C

[timber oak]

Yeah, it's crazy how many useful resources there are on SO tho. They basically have an answer for all my programming issues lol

[prisma wave]

apart from the infection that's taken hold of it

[static zealot]

There's also the fact that most of the gaming industry still uses c++

[prisma wave]

yup

windows is probably about 50/50 i think? though it's kinda impossible to say

[timber oak]

Oh, do you use linux? I actually still use Windows for everything which probably isn't optimal for development but yeah

[timber oak]

Because of unreal? Not too familiar with game engines

[prisma wave]

i use a mac actually, that wasn't really the point though :)

[static zealot]

That is a big one. But also a lot of non public engines are still written and use c++

[prisma wave]

yeah

[timber oak]

Ah alright I see

[prisma wave]

given that WSL exists i'd say for most development experiences it doesn't really matter now

[timber oak]

WSL?

[prisma wave]

windows subsystem for linux

lets you get a linux shell running "inside" windows

[timber oak]

Ohhh yeah I've heard of that before, never used it though

[prisma wave]

so you can use nice things like apt and vim and emacs without needing native windows binaries

[timber oak]

I once had a dual boot but got tired of swapping all the time

[prisma wave]

it's either a game-changer or wont affect you at all

mm

yeah it's not rly worth it imo

[static zealot]

vim 😭 😍 😢

[timber oak]

But how does it work with IntelliJ then? Do you "store" IntelliJ in the shell somehow?

[static zealot]

that is my relationship with vim

[prisma wave]

i think you'd still use the windows intellij

[prisma wave]

real

[timber oak]

But then run servers etc. in the linux shell?

[prisma wave]

but you can just find all the linux files in explorer as if they're a normal folder

yup

[timber oak]

Oh that's actually smart

[prisma wave]

it's pretty cool yeah

[static zealot]

I've tried multiple times to learn it but always gave up very very fast. Its just too much for me. I think the main issue is my lack of memory. I've always been very very bad at remembering keybinds

[prisma wave]

worth playing around with if you wanna kill some time, but only really useful if you're comfortable with the linux experience

[prisma wave]

yeah same here, i only remember the basic keybinds and just use everything else nano-style

which is probably very bad

but it's nicer to use than nano i think

[static zealot]

Probably. I've only ever used nano for simple text edits

[timber oak]

I don't really have that much experience with linux, I quickly got back to windows, but it was actually pretty nice

[prisma wave]

and has stuff like syntax highlighting & LSP support built in

[prisma wave]

i specifically mean the shell, too. desktop linux isnt gonna have many concrete benefits compared to windows, it's really just personal preference

[static zealot]

Well, there's the performance difference.

[prisma wave]

true actually

[timber oak]

Is linux a lot faster?

[prisma wave]

not a lot but definitely faster than windows for a lot of things

[prisma wave]

at the cost of a lot of software not working and ur system being pretty unstable :))

in my experience at least

[static zealot]

When you have old haldware, it definitely feels a LOT faster.

[prisma wave]

oh yeah

definitely

[static zealot]

I used to have a laptop that barely runs windows 10 but on pop os it was like I had a new pc

also on ubuntu

[prisma wave]

yup

forgot about that

[timber oak]

Ah yeah ubuntu is what I used

[prisma wave]

classic

dead chat now 😦

[timber oak]

😦

Omw to bed

[prisma wave]

smh

[timber oak]

Waking up in 6 hours :))

[prisma wave]

im sorry

[timber oak]

Lmao

I could also skip sleep entirely

Hmm

[prisma wave]

dont do that

its not worth it

[timber oak]

True

Actually

Got one more question lol

[prisma wave]

yes... yes!!

[static zealot]

Not going to lie. I was hoping this conversation wasn't going to end so soon

[prisma wave]

me too

[timber oak]

Would you store the enchants like this
private final Map<String, CustomEnchant> enchants = new HashMap<>();
Or like this?
private final Map<Class<? extends CustomEnchant>, CustomEnchant> enchants = new HashMap<>();

[prisma wave]

but life gets in the way once again ☹️

#2 probably

[timber oak]

Same, it's actually rly interesting, but work calls for tomorrow ://

[timber oak]

Yeah same I think, might also use an enum, hmm

[prisma wave]

or actually, even better, just store it by the NamespacedKey

or an enum sure

[timber oak]

What's the benefit of doing that? I never really use it

[prisma wave]

a bit more dynamic than the Class while not being as vague as a String

[half harness]

wouldn't that just act the same as a String tho?

[prisma wave]

yeah but you have the namespacedkey already

[half harness]

oh

[prisma wave]

you know one exists, and you can access it from a lot of places

[timber oak]

Yeah I don't see how this is less vague than using a string hahah

[prisma wave]

it's only slightly less vague

but every Enchantment subclass has to have a NamespacedKey already

so it means you dont have to bikeshed about the string format, whether it should be allcaps or all lowercase, etc

[timber oak]

I won't register them to bukkit I think

I don't see any reason to at least

[prisma wave]

you have to i believe

[timber oak]

I was thinking I'd just use BlockBreakEvent and handle it from there

[prisma wave]

actually that might not be true

if you want the glowing im pretty sure u have to register them

or just use a fake hidden enchant ig

[timber oak]

Ah yeah I usually just add a fake hidden enchant

Like power on a pickaxe or smth

And hide it

[prisma wave]

yea

if ur not using bukkit system then enum is probably the best bet

[timber oak]

But it also means more manual typing when adding a new enchant lol. I know it's pretty much nothing but if I use the class it's all automatic basically

[prisma wave]

thats true

it depends on your use case, i suppose

but my reasoning for the enum is mainly that it's easier to parse from a string

[timber oak]

I think I might start with Enum yeah, then if I see it fit I can always change to the class type instead

[timber oak]

Yeah true, especially when using it with a config or something

[prisma wave]

yeah just depends on your priorities

you could justify any option

except String dont use that

[timber oak]

Yeah String is bad lol

I've got 15 enchants to create now so I really need to make a new interface or smth for them lol

Maybe I should separate effects and enchants, like haste, speed etc.?

[prisma wave]

theres only so much you can abstract out here, the bukkit Enchantment class is probably a good place to start

if you have enchants which just apply a constant effect, they could be an abstract class, or even just a single class

[timber oak]

Extending bukkits Enchantment class adds a lot of useless functionality in my case I think. The enchants will never be in book version really, just something stored in the pickaxe instance

[timber oak]

As in a separate abstract class from CustomEnchant? Something like PickaxeEffect or whatever?

Actually when I should actually use an interface instead of just an abstract class? lol

This is probably something I should learn when I started on java but yeah

[prisma wave]

a subclass of CustomEnchant

[timber oak]

Ahhh yeah that'd make sense

[prisma wave]

im not sure you can define any hard rule but my rule is just make everything an interface unless it has to be an abstract class

[timber oak]

Making this abstract would be good I think, to have default variables like name etc. for the enchant

[prisma wave]

sure

[static zealot]

You can force properties in interfaces as well trough methods.

[timber oak]

Okay it might be time to sleep, I don't even know what else to add lol https://paste.helpch.at/rafapiwotu.csharp

[timber oak]

Oh how?

[static zealot]

You'll figure it out tomorrow

[timber oak]

Yeah might the better

Thanks for all the help / explanations everyone! Time for me to go sleep

[prisma wave]

np, gn

[static zealot]

So, how about that <insert controversial topic here>?

[prisma wave]

i hate object oriented programming

[static zealot]

Hate?

[prisma wave]

yes

[static zealot]

Hmm. One thing I don't understand about functional programming, is how do you actually store state? From the little research I've done, having state is something frowned upon. Do you read -> change -> write? That feels like a waste

[prisma wave]

it depends on the context, for a lot of things you dont need state at all

sometimes you do that loop yeah, but it's not quite as inefficient as you might think

removing the first element from a list is O(1) for example, and that covers most list processing functions

[static zealot]

I'm thinking more about the read/write parts

[prisma wave]

for more complex things the language usually allows actual mutable variables, either natively in impure languages or by pretending theyre not mutable using monads

[static zealot]

I don't know. The whole concept is a little too much for my small shiny brain

[prisma wave]

can you elaborate a bit

perhaps an example

[cerulean ibex]

Same as the 9th. The input doesnt scale do neither does the complexity of the function

[static zealot]

I mean, I'm not exactly sure what I mean either but for example, I have a website and I store sessions in a table, what is usually recommended is that sessions are cached in memory but how I understand FP, you can't do that. You'd have to read the table every time you want a session.

[prisma wave]

that's not true in an immutable cons list whch is what I was talking about

[prisma wave]

nah you can still do that, how exactly you'd do it would probably depend on how the web framework is designed though. the simplest way of doing state is just having recursive functions which pass the new state to the next invocation. there are also ways of having global mutable state too, even in haskell, they're just not recommended if there's a better alternative

i think the simplest and most versatile example of FP is the Elm Architecture

which is mainly for designing functional frontend apps, but handles state and things too

it's almost like MVC too, just immutable

[static zealot]

I'm a bit unsure what you mean by this:

having recursive functions which pass the new state to the next invocation

[prisma wave]

like in that video you linked, where you have const newIndex = index + 1

like that

tryna think of a good example where syntax wont matter too much

[static zealot]

Oh yeah. This makes sense now. I was trying to put it into the context of http requests with sessions

[prisma wave]

mmm thats a bit more complex cuz it doesnt map quite as neatly

also http requests are inherently stateful & impure

most web frameworks would probably work fairly similarly to an imperative one under the hood, they just let you hook into it with mostly pure functions

[compact perch]

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[static zealot]

funnycube at work

[pallid gale]

hi yes

[cerulean ibex]

Dont functional programmers use linked lists for everything?

And how is it O(1)

Also whats cons

[potent nest]

Cons is "prepend an element to a list" basically

[tender saffron]

hello im looking for a dev that can make me a plugin Not payed dm for more info

[potent nest]

And as we all know the cons operator in Haskell does not evaluate its arguments

#1191515713022738634

[tender saffron]

no one checks that

[potent nest]

So misbehaving is the solution to that?

[tender saffron]

ig

[potent nest]

gl with that mindset

[ocean quartz]

It's almost like no one likes to work for free lol

[potent nest]

The reason is that a singly linked list is just an element in front of another singly linked list (with the special case of an empty list), so you just use that list behind the first element

[distant sun]

probably because everyone wants to make some income, and not even beginners can take the requests because people ask for entire servers to be made for free

proof

[remote goblet]

personally i check those channels daily

mostly just to laugh at them but still

[tender saffron]

..

[remote goblet]

my personal favourites are when they want a "real quick plugin from <x> server" and its literally like

hypixel skyblock

[distant sun]

ye but they said "real quick" so that must be true, right?

[remote goblet]

TRUE

and then even if its in #1191515716608868402, budget $5+

i also enjoy the super vague and varying price budgets $100->$3k

[prisma wave]

Yeah cons list is a singly linked list, so separating the first element and the rest is just a 1-2 pointer reads

Even if it was a doubly linked list which i presume is what you thought, removing the nth element is definitely not O(1)

[obtuse gale]

Requests nowadays are kinda I want minecraft redeveloped in Rust, btw my budget is $5

[prisma wave]

Smartest rust fan

[remote goblet]

css minecraft

[cerulean ibex]

Oh nvm then

Anyway i was kinda just pointing out that saying smth is O(1) for n (where its constant) can be said abt a lota things cuz duh its constant

I mean its a technicality but its why i think conplexity isnt always the most important

[potent nest]

But n isn’t constant

[cerulean ibex]

I said getting the 9th element always performs the same number of operations

[prisma wave]

Yeah i guess lmao

But i specifically said 1st element rather than nth for that reason

[wind patio]

what r yall bludding about

[prisma wave]

clever things

might be a bit too advanced for you 🤓🤓

[obtuse gale]

hi guys can someone help me
?
i made /shop and i added my custome head id and when i open shop and i try to buy the item is not buyying is only taking my points but is not giving me the head
how to fix ?

[static zealot]

If this is about DeluxeMenus, you should use #general-plugins or #1007620980627230730

[obtuse gale]

i did

and no one helping check because i did

[static zealot]

Well, you are not going to get any help in this channel. I was just mentioning since I thought maybe you didn't know what channel to use.

[obtuse gale]

in what channel to get help then?

[peak oak]

Hello, my situation is the following, I have a menu that when you open it you can choose sanctions, and when you select it the command is executed which perfectly marks who to sanction with the arguments, but how can I make it say who was sanctioned? How do I get it to take the nickname of whoever put /punish and then mark it, since I use forward

[wind patio]

real

big o notation be crazy

[pastel imp]

in the ones mentioned, if no one answers, you take your grown up butt and be patient.

[obtuse gale]

okay i fixed

[inner umbra]

Lol

[long dagger]

I would actually code in that too

[wind patio]

https://spark.lucko.me/7R1wh6wDUg
any ideas? I'm aware of M0-Pagrindai, being rewritten as we speak.

[humble prism]

that ram allocation makes me cringe

why just why

set xms to 16 xmx to 16, and if using pterodactyl set container size to like 18-20 gb (or whatever you want)

is protocollibs background compiler set to true?

if it is, try setting it to false

[half harness]

I feel like the main thing is it having a "cpu bottleneck" - too many players on the server so there's like a trillion events and stuff running

On phone tho so can't check much

[humble prism]

although a longer report would be nice

5 minutes, normal one

[cobalt marlin]

its just basic mc stuff except M0-Pagrindai (maybe protocollib, but that is most likely being called somewhere else)

[half harness]

yeah plib itself isn't lagging, it's the plugins hooking onto it

[wind patio]

idk server owner doing janky stuff as usual

[wind patio]

thought about it too

[wind patio]

16 aint enuff my dood

[humble prism]

very very much is

rn youre using 12.6

(and java tries to use what its allocated)

so no, you dont need more

16-18 gb tops

[distant sun]

I smth to do with your plugin M0-Pagrindai > tickets module https://spark.lucko.me/7R1wh6wDUg?hl=30591 (switch to plugins view)

[humble prism]

"being rewritten as we speak"

[wind patio]

yeh as I mentioned, have to re do database queries to async

[half harness]

Ooo never do any io on main thread

In plugins

Including file, network, database

[wind patio]

Got a bigger report.
MSPT all over the place.
https://spark.lucko.me/zFj5frTMcE

[half harness]

I mean your first report specifically measured ticks with over 50ms but not this one so that'd make sense (i think it only recorded 3 periods) - i think its better to only record >= 50ms ticks though

38ms isn't horrible

but yeah i think it's the same situation
lots of chunks/blocks and entities being loaded, and the players are resulting in a lot of events being called which all add up

but the average tps is 20+ here (and average mspt is < 50ms)

[surreal garnet]

Learning JS right now, ofc using discord as something to use. Took me too damn long for this:

https://i.imgur.com/j3Hz0Gj.png

Finally proud of myself but DAMN, took too long. But such simple code lmao. Just was over complicating it.

[pallid gale]

aye welcome to the dark side

[surreal garnet]

Lmfao

Wanting to eventually do a whole logging system similar to Dyno, but simplified. As well a leveling system kinda like yours and Mee6’s.

But that’s a bit further down the road haha.

[pallid gale]

Yes loggers are fun

[surreal garnet]

Yeee

Was messing with this as well as I want to mess with embeds now too, but started getting hungry lmfao.

[pallid gale]

Yeah getting the ban reasons is funky

Barry doesnt do it since it requres extra perms he doesnt have

[surreal garnet]

Rip

Yeah since it’s my own little discord idm just doing what I need, if I went crazier and put it in MCHub’s discord than maybe I’d optimize it a bit more and have more niche perms.

[pallid gale]

yeah fair

[surreal garnet]

Need to figure out what next tbh, not fully sure yet honestly tho.

[pallid gale]

Go play with canvas

[surreal garnet]

Oooh?

[pallid gale]

That's what barry uses to generate all the images

[surreal garnet]

Ah okay

Noted

[pallid gale]

https://www.npmjs.com/package/canvas

Looks scarier than it is

[surreal garnet]

Yeah fair.

I learnt stuff isn’t always as scary, especially after learning MCHubs code space xD.

[pallid gale]

[surreal garnet]

[wind patio]

anyone knows where can I get 1.20.2 Folia build?

or any build for the sake of it

[wind patio]

yeah forgot to turn it on lol

the heap memory graph looks odd

jumps from 9g to 14g

[wind patio]

last 30d, 7d and 24 hours

[pastel imp]

love grafana, if I had the patience to configure mine, I would 100% use it

[wind patio]

the dashboard layout itself is from UnifiedMetrics

the installation process, well, if you know what you're doing, about 15-20 minutes.

[humble prism]

the more you give it, the more it uses

thats how java works

[brittle leaf]

its allocated ram, rather thrn actually used ram more then likely

[potent nest]

The increase in nonheap memory is kinda sus but that also depends on many factors

[wind patio]

stabilizes at some point

[potent nest]

Yeah that’s fine then

[slate elk]

Good open source that uses custom nms mobs?

1.7

[wintry plinth]

1.7 😭😭

[humble prism]

better than beta 1.7.3 atleast

[wintry plinth]

Very true 😂 looking forward to the day we get #1191515713022738634 / #1191515716608868402 for even more ancient versions

[humble prism]

btw is there a reason the latest fabric version of your tebex plugin recode is 1.16.5

[wintry plinth]

In our survey we did, 1.16.5 was the highest choice for Fabric

[humble prism]

when was that survey done?

[wintry plinth]

Recently, a few months back

[ivory crow]

Anyone know how websites do the "click to copy ip"? Ik its on tebex but I cant figure it out

[wintry plinth]

They use the clipboard api

[ivory crow]

any examples you know of online?

Something like this?

button.addEventListener("click", writeClipboardText("<empty clipboard>"));

async function writeClipboardText(text) {
  try {
    await navigator.clipboard.writeText(text);
  } catch (error) {
    console.error(error.message);
  }
}

[wintry plinth]

Yup :)

Are you using Vue, React or anything of that sort?

[ivory crow]

Nope just pure html css and js 😂

[long dagger]

I have a plugin that does some cool stuff to the names of entities, and I only want to show the names if the player has a direct line of site not blocked by blocks. Should I use raytracing? And if I do, how often should I be checking? I dont want to lag the server, if anything, the opposite

[slate elk]

i cant find match data on the topic and 0 mood for trial and error reversing the mojang dogshit

[slate elk]

u can do raytracing aka plane on 3D its not expensive operation

how ever u got a bukkit method for that just saying

check can run every tick even server wont lag

i pretty often make lines on 3D dimensions and many calculations up to 10k a second 0 lag on a shared epyc 7502 theard

not a second a tick*

[slate elk]

https://gyazo.com/ee62f1d07b2172088a7d21218d5783c2

bigges betrayed of history

[long dagger]

do you know how to raytrace multiple entities at once? I want to know when the player is looking at them, and I want all of the ones within the raytrace size, but it only returns the first hit entity, do I just do it again and add it as a filter until it doesnt return anything?

[slate elk]

i told u

plane line calculation

and return collection instead of entity

work with an distancee limit oo

[long dagger]

you also said to use the bukkit method

which doesnt return a collection

[real pagoda]

hey guys, any1 know how to fix this? I update Intellij and it broke (also delete most of my import)

i tried to add the dependecies back but it keep saying same root cannot be added (also the dependencies tab is missing)

[half harness]

did you configure this

[real pagoda]

that is the part that it say same root cannot add thing

[half harness]

hmm, can you screenshot that?

[real pagoda]

actually i just fix the import

but new problem

[half harness]

what if you double click ctrl and type "gradle run"

or is that what you did

thats an odd issue tho

🤔

[real pagoda]

ok so when the ide update, it decided that it should generate for me some iml file and change my main class
so it was Arsky.TheCellBeyond.Main then main class before and that is where i config it, but they decided to update it to TheCellBeyond.Main and spawn in some junk, which broke my entire project sdk and dependencies

like im extra confuse, like why they need to migrate my entire code off a predefined Main and make their own

[real pagoda]

update: i fix it by removing all the junk the IDE spawn in and remove all the gradle dependency, import all the library again and it finally work

[real pagoda]

duplicated texture spawned? wrong index perhaps ?

[wind patio]

anyone has a good tutorial for creating paper patches?

this shit be confusing fsr

I'm aware of the git patch system and all, but don't tell me you just look at existing code and write the patch yourself

[cerulean ibex]

Look at the contributing.md

[real pagoda]

mamaged to fix the texture indexing, but 1 if the imaged is not flipped by the stbi flip

    public Texture(String filepath) {
        this.filepath = filepath;

        // Generate texture on GPU
        texID = glGenTextures();
        glBindTexture(GL_TEXTURE_2D, texID);

        // Texture parameters

        //  Image repeater

        glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL_TEXTURE_WRAP_S, GL_REPEAT);
        glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL_TEXTURE_WRAP_T, GL_REPEAT);

        // Image style
        glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL_TEXTURE_MIN_FILTER, GL_NEAREST);

        // Downsize
        glTexParameteri(GL_TEXTURE_2D, GL_TEXTURE_MAG_FILTER, GL_NEAREST);

        IntBuffer width = BufferUtils.createIntBuffer(1);
        IntBuffer height = BufferUtils.createIntBuffer(1);
        IntBuffer channels = BufferUtils.createIntBuffer(1);
        ByteBuffer image = stbi_load(filepath, width, height, channels, 0);
        stbi_set_flip_vertically_on_load(true);

        if (image != null ) {
            if (channels.get(0) == 3) {
                glTexImage2D(GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, GL_RGB, width.get(0), height.get(0),
                        0, GL_RGB, GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE, image);
            } else if (channels.get(0) == 4) {
                glTexImage2D(GL_TEXTURE_2D, 0, GL_RGBA, width.get(0), height.get(0),
                        0, GL_RGBA, GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE, image);
            } else {
                assert false : "Error: Unknown texture channels '" + channels.get(0) + " '";
            }

        } else {
            assert false : "FATAL: Texture failed to load! '" + filepath + " '";
        }

        stbi_image_free(image); //Free memory and prevent memory leak
    }

ops stbi flip need to be before load 😭

[wind patio]

yeah well I'm more interested in how to create a personal fork instead of modifying and submitting changes for paper

[cerulean ibex]

than don't submit a pr

[cerulean ibex]

yo sparky that's smart asf

or you want like patch patches

like what paper does with spigot?

[wind patio]

I wasn't aware exactly how the paperweight build process works, somewhat figured it out

[wintry plinth]

Don't worry pal, I'm in the same boat - I have no clue about the patch stuff, always wanted to learn

But I want it for my own personal benefit

[wind patio]

yeah well we use purpur as our main software for server
the process is fairly simple (from what I understand, might be more to it)

fork the repo -> run applyPatches -> modify either purpur-api or purpur-server -> create commit -> run rebuildPatches -> a patch is automatically generated in patches dir -> either generate a jar or run dev

[cerulean ibex]

for me it doesnt even work lmao

[pastel imp]

patches won't be a thing anyways soon enough

once paper hard forks, patches will be made source

[wind patio]

sheesh

[humble prism]

lol

[wintry plinth]

Wait really?

[half harness]

Then it's gonna have the DMCA problem thingy

[pastel imp]

yes

[pastel imp]

that side no idea

[ocean quartz]

For the API only

[wintry plinth]

Makes sense though, Paper have such a dominant market now

[agile galleon]

Wen hardfork is the question tho

[cerulean ibex]

what about the all the bukkit apis?

[ocean quartz]

#555469074080202765 message

[pastel imp]

true.

[pastel imp]

They are already starting preparations for it. For instance, brigadier being built-in, registery api, paper plugin system, etc.

[agile galleon]

Hohogho

[pastel imp]

lets phrase it like this, hard fork we are nearer than far from it, aka give it a year's time or so.

[agile galleon]

yuuup

[wind patio]

business is booming

one thing I can tell for sure

minecraft (and everyones who contributed to paper/spigot/purpur/pufferfish) code is a fucking mess