dev-general

[hard dagger]

yeah but theres actual reasons to catch some exceptions

[prisma wave]

most runtimeexceptions shouldnt be caught

[hard dagger]

preferrably yes

but most apis dont even consider checked exceptions

[prisma wave]

so what?

[hard dagger]

so its annoying asf to use them

[prisma wave]

in what way

what does it even mean to "consider" an exception

im not entirely sure what you mean

[hard dagger]

like Optional for example

if you want to like map it but the mapper could throw a checked exception u have to do messy unsafe stuff with .get()

[prisma wave]

well, there's a good reason for that tbf

but i dont really see how that changes what i said

when i say "runtimeexceptions shouldnt be caught", im not saying that we should use checked exceptions for everything

how does one recover from an NPE / IAE?

whats the fix? it's a programmer error

[hard dagger]

true

[prisma wave]

exactly

[hard dagger]

what reason?

[prisma wave]

allowing checked exceptions in all the different lambda types suddenly puts the burden of error handling on all the methods that use those error types

how does Optional#map behave in case of an exception?

does it rethrow it? does it become empty?

you suddenly have to define the behaviour everywhere

especially with the weird exceptions like InterruptedException, it's a real rabbit hole

[hard dagger]

u wanna know or like asking they would do if it did handle checked exceptions?

[prisma wave]

the latter

if this is valid code (it's not): ```java
Optional.of("blah.txt")
.map(Files::readString)
.orElse("file doesn't exist");

what happens to the `IOException`?

[hard dagger]

there wouldnt be any special handling of the exception

the map() call would just throw the IOException

[prisma wave]

throw it as a checked or unchecked exception?

[hard dagger]

checked

they could do it with a generic type argument in the throws clause

[drifting aspen]

You cannot throw it as checked

[prisma wave]

okay, so now what if we call #map with a method that doesnt throw any exceptions?

i dont think theres a nice way of encoding that in the type system

[drifting aspen]

Yes, in theory

[drifting aspen]

Nope, there ain't

Exception handling in Java kinds sucks

[hard dagger]

basically what we're getting at is its hard for apis to handle checked exceptions properly

so they dont handle them

so thats why idl them

[drifting aspen]

Or they throw it as an unchecked exception

[prisma wave]

sure because it's not their responsibility to

[hard dagger]

idk if that can be inferred but im checking now

[prisma wave]

im still not 100% sure why we're talking about checked exceptions here tbh

[drifting aspen]

Well you can throw it by wrapping it in a runtime exception

[prisma wave]

which is arguably very bad

[drifting aspen]

Yup

[hard dagger]

by handle i mean like work with the api not like catching the exception

[hard dagger]

oh i thought u meant the type argument would be RuntimeException

[prisma wave]

ik

but like

they mostly shouldnt

[hard dagger]

why not

[prisma wave]

the reasons i've just mentioned lol

it's difficult to define consistent behaviour

maybe you can with Optional, but what about something like CompleteableFuture?

if we pass a function to CompleteableFuture#thenApplyAsync that can throw an exception, when does that exception get re-thrown? on what thread?

with unchecked exceptions at least you can either say it's undefined behaviour or just swallow it as part of the future (which is what happens now afaik)

less easy to do that with checked ones because you have a contract in the method saying it can throw

[prisma wave]

also i tried doing that optional thing and somehow this does actually work?

i'd love to know what E gets inferred to here

[hard dagger]

well normal exceptions for completablefuture arent thrown iirc. dont they just call the exception handlers which already take in a throwable?

[prisma wave]

they do yes

so, we just let CF's swallow up any checked exceptions too?

[hard dagger]

pretty much

im fine with completablefuture not handling it anyway. the user should definitely be forced to handle it within their own code, not have it have to be cought by completablefuture

[prisma wave]

okay... good

[hard dagger]

hopefully RuntimeException

[prisma wave]

presumably yeah

but that's weird if so

[hard dagger]

i tried this a while ago cuz i was pissed off with optional

[prisma wave]

but you were the one saying you wanted apis to allow checked exceptions so

[hard dagger]

not all

[prisma wave]

but some

the fact is really that Optional is pretty much the only one that actually works here though

Stream certainly doesnt

[hard dagger]

why not

[prisma wave]

laziness & parallelism

Stream#map will never throw an exception

it's delayed until the terminal operation

& with parallel streams you have the same problem as CF, which thread throws the exception?

[prisma wave]

So the only way to do this would be to have the entire stream type parameterised with some generic Exception, which gets thrown in the terminal ops

But that’s like… extremely messy

plus it goes against the whole philosophy of streams (and most of the functional apis) which is that their methods’ arguments should be pure functions

[cinder flare]

something something exceptions bad

[hard dagger]

Actually i change my mind. Sometimes its important to want to a caller to handle the exception

[hard dagger]

This becoming more of a problem of exceptions

[prisma wave]

And finally I can spring my trap

All functions should be pure, remove exceptions & other side effects entirely

[hard dagger]

Result type on top

[cinder flare]

i do love me some Result type

wish more langs had it as the primary method of error handling

[prisma wave]

Although hot take

Checked exceptions are good in some cases

[cinder flare]

oh?

[prisma wave]

kotlin making all exceptions unchecked is lowkey an L

[prisma wave]

most of the checked exceptions are things that you should be handling and not just ignoring

[hard dagger]

For programmer errors i agree

[potent nest]

Checked exceptions are a great concept, but they aren’t integrated in the language that well

[prisma wave]

^^

[cinder flare]

you'd still be handling it, just not by unwinding the stack at the exact time they are thrown until they are caught

that's like, the whole point of the Result type, etc.

[hard dagger]

Kotlind result type is practically a checked exception

[cinder flare]

you have to deal with the errors, if any, before you access the actual value

[prisma wave]

Sure and that’s used in about 2 places in the stdlib

[hard dagger]

Kotlins just a shit language

[cinder flare]

lmao

what is this conversation

[prisma wave]

I’ve used this example a few times before but InterruptedException is the peak checked exception

It’s the best example where a result type doesn’t work

Because you can’t just arbitrarily ignore it until later

[cinder flare]

so what do they do in Haskell if file io or something is interrupted?

[prisma wave]

Idk

[cinder flare]

oh

that's a shocker

[prisma wave]

Full disclaimer I don’t know what InterruptedException does

[hard dagger]

How do you not know

[prisma wave]

actually I do know

[hard dagger]

I thought u were gay for haskell or smth

[prisma wave]

It’s exceptions

The IO monad allows any exception to be thrown at any point lol

[cinder flare]

ah

[prisma wave]

yes but in a platonic way

[cinder flare]

i mean it just sounds like the Rust mantra of Result type for most things and panics for things that you can't recover from is the best way to handle exceptions, etc. in a non-purely-functional language

lord knows i do not need an effects system

[potent nest]

Most languages try to avoid to somehow integrate exception handling nicely

I don’t know any language where exceptions don’t suck

[cinder flare]

Rust comes to mind lol

[potent nest]

Nah that just moved the pain to somewhere else

[hard dagger]

Panicking is over rated

[cinder flare]

what lol

[hard dagger]

I dont want my program to exit because i made a mistake

I think go solves this

[cinder flare]

yeah that's the point, it doesn't exit if you made a mistake

it exits if it literally can't continue running

[cinder flare]

this is hilarious lol

go is like, half way there, in that they don't really use exceptions, but they also don't have any nicety to checking exceptions

[hard dagger]

I havent used go ok

[prisma wave]

lmao

[cinder flare]

what the fuck lol

[prisma wave]

supposedly erlang / elixir

in that you just let it crash

but you can still recover from that

[cinder flare]

i mean that's also most interpreted languages running inside of something else

python does that with their WSGI/ASGI web servers, etc.

[prisma wave]

yeah but the whole BEAM VM is designed specifically for that

and letting it crash doesnt actually affect the rest of your program

it's all like isolated mini-processes

[timber oak]

1.17 vs 1.20 for performance? After 1.17 the world height changes which requires more performance, but is that made up for in 1.20?

[cinder flare]

i suppose so, but it's pretty easy to spin up a new thread running a new python interpreter lol

that's what any performant web server impl for a language with a global interpreter lock does anyways

[cinder flare]

it's not that big of a deal lol

a small bit of memory and a bit of world file size

[prisma wave]

i dont think thats the same thing

[cinder flare]

just run latest, it's easier for everyone involved

[pastel imp]

I mean, wasnt a new chunk gen system added?

[hard dagger]

Ok so if i have a http server and some dependency has a bug that causes it to panic it should exit a d stop the whole server?

[timber oak]

Not easier when you want compatibility down to 1.8 but yeah lol

[cinder flare]

no? "it's all isolated mini-processes" is basically exactly how a WSGI server works, it just spawns a bunch of processes that run the interpreter

[timber oak]

Just trying to find ups and downs

[timber oak]

They added a new light engine, not sure if this was included

[cinder flare]

ah well that's a bad idea in and of itself, but in that case you'd just want to run 1.8 and use viaversion upwards, etc.

[cinder flare]

bugs don't cause panics, you have to specifically initiate a panic

it's not like exceptions

have you ever used Rust before? lmao

[timber oak]

I want a lot of the stuff from later versions as well though, just trying to figure out if its worth going to 1.20 from 1.17

[prisma wave]

yeah panics are just for things like out of memory

[cinder flare]

yes

[prisma wave]

not really something you can fix

[cinder flare]

always be on the latest

[prisma wave]

rough equivalent of Error in java

[cinder flare]

unless you desperately want to support super legacy versions

[timber oak]

The server does tho for some reason, it has to be down to 1.8 for pvp etc.

And OG players

[cinder flare]

then run it on 1.8

next question

[timber oak]

But then I cant get the newer features?

[cinder flare]

you wouldn't be able to anyways?

you're constrained to the bare minimum

what is the 1.8 client going to do when you have a block that literally doesn't exist in their version

[hard dagger]

No like if you call unwrap on an option that you thought always had a value has something but actually doesnt or is that smth that just wouldnt happen

[cinder flare]

you shouldn't be calling unwrap on anything besides scaffolding code

[prisma wave]

ah yes the rust moment

.unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap()

[timber oak]

Show it as some kind of null block I think but yeah true

[hard dagger]

No 😭

[cinder flare]

if you're using a library that legitimately uses unwrap, you have bigger problems

[cinder flare]

"null block"? lmao, that's not how it works

you basically have to use the minimum version you want to support

and besides, if you want performance, 1.8 is probably as good as it gets

[prisma wave]

theyre similar ideas, but erlang seems more like goroutines / green threads & it's all managed by the VM

idk ive never used it, but that's the impression i get

[cinder flare]

yeah i guess similar vibe

[timber oak]

When you play 1.8 on hypixel for example, and you look at the newer blocks, they just appear as some weird kind of color, not sure how to explain it

[cinder flare]

sounds cool though, i have been wanting to get into elixir

[prisma wave]

honestly it's not dissimilar to kt coroutines afaik

except on the VM rather than in the language space

[cinder flare]

Hypixel is not something you should be comparing against, they run a super super custom 1.7.10 server with a bazillion protocol hacks

moral of the story, run the minimum version you want to support

[prisma wave]

you have suspending and lots of lightweight threads and whatever

[cinder flare]

if you want the features, you won't be supporting 1.8

[timber oak]

Yeah true

[timber oak]

I know, but just making it playable for 1.8, thats possible in all of the newer versions right?

[cinder flare]

depends on your definition of "playable"

i still can't fathom how many people are stuck on a version that was literally 12 versions ago

[prisma wave]

1.8 fanatics still wont like it, i dont think you can fully restore the "experience" just with plugins

[cinder flare]

^

[prisma wave]

if you want to appease that group your only real option is to run 1.8

[cinder flare]

the whole hit registration system and everything is super different

[prisma wave]

^^ exactly

even if you remove the hit delay

[cinder flare]

also https://howoldisminecraft189.today/

[timber oak]

Yeah it's crazy, I dont get it either, it's just because the rest of the server already supports down to 1.8, and a lot of the community loves that, not sure why

[cinder flare]

"the rest of the server"?

just do what the rest of the server is doing then

or just segregate by version, i'm assuming this is a bungeecord kinda scenario

just have a pvp server that only supports 1.8

and a normal server that has features you actually want on the rest of your server that's minimum 1.20, or 1.17 or whatever

[prisma wave]

wow star is pro segregation?

not cool man

[cinder flare]

lmao

[prisma wave]

it's 2023

[timber oak]

The new part of the server is prison tho, which would want pvp included in the gamemode

[cinder flare]

so run a 1.8 prison server

[prisma wave]

that doesnt actually change what he said at all lol

[cinder flare]

you don't really have a lot of options here man

[timber oak]

It is possible to run it on 1.20 though and support 1.8

[prisma wave]

bro

[hard dagger]

idk if this makes a difference but also for anything else that can panic like .expect or whatever should you still not use that?

[timber oak]

Well support and support but make it playable

[cinder flare]

and make nobody happy?

[prisma wave]

yeah

thats literally the worst option

shit performance & the 1.8 fans still arent happy

[cinder flare]

half a complete half-ass implementation that is missing tons and tons of blocks, doesn't retain the combat that people love it for, and doesn't have any of the performance benefits of running on an older version with less features?

[timber oak]

Why would that be shit performance? Wouldn't it benefit from the performance from 1.20?

[prisma wave]

man

[cinder flare]

the performance of 1.20 is drastically worse than 1.8 lol

drastically

[prisma wave]

versions after 1.13 are not known for performing well

[obtuse gale]

guys uno you can have 1.8 pvp on a 1.20 server?

[prisma wave]

it's not the same

[cinder flare]

it's nto the same

yeah

[prisma wave]

.

[cinder flare]

hit reg, iframes, etc.

[obtuse gale]

if make it the same

[prisma wave]

you cant

[vivid sleet]

You can’t

[prisma wave]

without significantly changing the server internals

[vivid sleet]

It’s fake the same

If you just mean a plugin

[obtuse gale]

yeah but my point is it’s possible

[timber oak]

I think the rest of the server runs on 1.17 and uses the kinda 1.8 pvp you're talking about

[cinder flare]

it's infeasible

[vivid sleet]

Barely

Cost too much

[prisma wave]

theoretically possible but it would be a ton of work

for like zero benefit

[vivid sleet]

You’d have to replace paper

[cinder flare]

then if people are happy, just continue doing that

[obtuse gale]

yes but is is possible

[prisma wave]

the 1.8 fans will still use 1.8 client so seriously, whats the benefit of using 1.20 server

[cinder flare]

or join the modern decade and force them to use a modern version so you can add all the cool new stuff

[timber oak]

Because it's split, and some people also want latest version, which makes way better sense

[obtuse gale]

#minecraft shut down 1.12 downward 😭

[prisma wave]

you can do that

forwards compatibility is easy

[cinder flare]

exactly

[prisma wave]

it's backwards compatibility that's hard

[cinder flare]

^

[timber oak]

Yes but wouldn't include any of the new features from versions after 1.8

[cinder flare]

oh i wonder why

maybe because the lowest common denominator (the 1.8 players) literally can't have those features (because they don't exist in that version)

[vivid sleet]

If you want features from future versions your meant to update

[prisma wave]

yeah because you dont want to crash your 1.8 users' games

[vivid sleet]

There’s a reason newer versions are less performant

[timber oak]

But if we use 1.20 then 1.20 players can use whatever they want, and 1.8 players can use what there is in 1.8? Am I misunderstanding it?

[cinder flare]

yes

[prisma wave]

yes

[cinder flare]

because the 1.8 players can't see/interact with anything the 1.20 players do that's new

it will likely crash their games

[timber oak]

It is possible to add some kind of placeholder block for the mines, not sure how yet

[cinder flare]

jesus christ

nobody wants to see placeholder blocks

[prisma wave]

if a 1.20 server sends a "hello this is a Waxed Weathered Cut Copper block" packet to a 1.8 client they will die

[vivid sleet]

Viaversion does that and it’s ass

[timber oak]

I know, but if they so desperatly want to use 1.8 they can

[prisma wave]

it's like the meme about giving bang energy to a victorian child

[vivid sleet]

For lower version experience

[cinder flare]

yeah dude

just have two prison servers

one for pvp that's 1.8

[vivid sleet]

If your game is good. They play what is playable.

[cinder flare]

and one for all the cool new stuff that's 1.20

best of both worlds

[vivid sleet]

Don’t need to make it an option tbh

[prisma wave]

what 1.20 (1.8+) features does a prison server even need lmao

[timber oak]

That would mean almost twice the work though lol

[cinder flare]

idek, blocks i guess?

[obtuse gale]

guys uno there is one easy fix to this

[prisma wave]

would be easier to do it the other way around then

[cinder flare]

okay, then have one prison server running 1.8 so that people's computers don't explode

[obtuse gale]

there’s one way to fix this

just buy microsoft and then change minecraft and allow it

[vivid sleet]

Don’t support 1.8

[obtuse gale]

sinple

enjoy

[vivid sleet]

💀

[prisma wave]

if you just want new blocks, just override the packets for people with newer games

[cinder flare]

like jesus fucking christ you're gonna lose something catering to losers who play on a version that's 7.5 years old at this point

[prisma wave]

that's what hypixel does afaik

[cinder flare]

get some bstats data or whatever, find out how many people actually play on 1.8

i have a feeling it's very few

[vivid sleet]

Your game is ass if people are begging to play it in an older version.

[prisma wave]

very few indeed

[vivid sleet]

That’s like wanting unreal engine 3 over 5

[timber oak]

14.3%

[cinder flare]

and that they'd likely be willing to upgrade to a newer version because they don't even realize how fucked the pvp is on a server with viabackwards on

[vivid sleet]

You don’t pick you just play what’s available

And it’s good or bad

[cinder flare]

time to tell em to upgrade

[prisma wave]

im pretty sure you just made that number up

[obtuse gale]

😭😭

[vivid sleet]

Also 14.3% play 1.8

[prisma wave]

oh on ur server

[obtuse gale]

bridget do you have some time to quickly help me shouldn’t take long just need you to look at something for me

[timber oak]

Yeah

[prisma wave]

hello im bridget

[obtuse gale]

wtf auto correct

[prisma wave]

plealse do not ask to ask

[obtuse gale]

oh sorry

[vivid sleet]

Well it supports 1.8 obviously you’ll have a % of players on it

[timber oak]

But pretty much all big servers out there support from 1.8 or 1.13 to 1.20

[obtuse gale]

so do i ask or don’t i ask?

[prisma wave]

yes just ask

[wind patio]

Dont

[vivid sleet]

You don’t know how many are willing to play above 1.8 if it wasn’t supported

[cinder flare]

okay, then do it

[obtuse gale]

can u guys help me
can anyone give me support on why this menu just doesnt open
https://pastebin.com/SAVZ1B18

there you go

[cinder flare]

i don't understand why you're asking so much if you are just going to ignore us

[timber oak]

I'm just wondering how they do it

[timber oak]

Sorry

[cinder flare]

just run a 1.20 server with viabackwards and give everyone involved a subpar experience

[prisma wave]

i already told you #general-plugins lol

this channel is for coding

[obtuse gale]

i did

[cinder flare]

the only good answer here is to bump the minimum version

like all software that goes out of date

[obtuse gale]

and plug-in are made from code

so technically they are code

[prisma wave]

no

[wind patio]

Just update your server, literally doesnt matter cuz no playerbase

[obtuse gale]

and i need help with the code

[timber oak]

I agree, but the server doesnt for some reason

[cinder flare]

okay, then there's nothing to talk about

[prisma wave]

deluxemenus is configuration

[obtuse gale]

but as your support please i’m asking nicely can you to go that channel and help me

[prisma wave]

not coding

[cinder flare]

this is your only option

[prisma wave]

i would if i had used deluxemenus before

[obtuse gale]

your support for a plug-in you haven’t used?

how does that work

[vivid sleet]

@timber oak what’s the retention of players on 1.8 vs later editions?

Guarantee it’s not worth

[prisma wave]

support role isnt for a specific plugin

it's general

[timber oak]

Yeah ig, thank you, and then if we ever decide to bump the minimum version we can easily do that right?

[obtuse gale]

well i’ll be fucked

[inner umbra]

Wait, I thought new users didn't have access to this channel...

[obtuse gale]

i aint

[vivid sleet]

They don’t

[obtuse gale]

how rude if you

[prisma wave]

though tbh im not sure how i got this role lmao, in the application there were like 20 plugins saying "which plugins have you used" and i ticked like 1 😭

[cinder flare]

yeah you can just uninstall viabackwards and start using all the new features lol

[timber oak]

Retention? Sorry not very good at english

[obtuse gale]

so in a nice way your not very useful😂

when it comes to plugins

[cinder flare]

it's cause you're an influencer bro

[prisma wave]

well

[vivid sleet]

How many players stayed vs how many joined.

[cinder flare]

#dev den represent

[prisma wave]

definitely not for plugins

i like to think im sometimes useful in other fields

[obtuse gale]

well can you help me understand why my wife left?

[prisma wave]

occasionally

[timber oak]

But for example bump it to 1.13, I suppose that's possible within viabackwards somehow

[prisma wave]

sorry man i dont think so

[obtuse gale]

shiy

[cinder flare]

yeah you can limit what versions it supports

[obtuse gale]

ahit*

[vivid sleet]

I already understand why she left

[hard dagger]

@ \funnycube

[obtuse gale]

oh fuck me

[prisma wave]

epic

[obtuse gale]

i’m trying to spell shit

[timber oak]

Cant really check that I think, but afaik there's a decent amount of 1.8 players actively playing

[hard dagger]

whyd it send like that 😭

[timber oak]

Aight thank you :))

[vivid sleet]

I guarantee it’s lower retention that newer versions.

[wind patio]

127.0.0.1 I have your internet protocol address now shut up

[cinder flare]

oh yeah you do actually need viarewind to get 1.7 and 1.8 support lol

[vivid sleet]

100 1.8 players join 1 stays. Vs 100 1.8+ players join and 10 staying.

[timber oak]

Yeah, this might be worth figuring out

[vivid sleet]

You can’t retain every player, you could lose out more by supporting older versions

[prisma wave]

it was more likely piggy i think

[timber oak]

Lol yeah true

[prisma wave]

we're chill like that

[cinder flare]

Boats and Horses won't work for 1.7.x and 1.8.x clients on 1.9+ servers. This issue can not be fixed without editing the server source code. now that's a fun one

[timber oak]

But either way, if we drop support from 1.8 it's not possible to use the "kinda" 1.8 pvp is it?

[prisma wave]

lmao

[cinder flare]

it explicitly is, you just use one of the shitty combat plugins

[vivid sleet]

Yeah it’s just not perfect

[cinder flare]

that's what you're doing for 1.8 support anyways

[timber oak]

Meh, boats aren't really important in prison though lol

[prisma wave]

dunno how many times i can say this, but none of the fake 1.8 plugins will be the same as actual 1.8

for better or for worse

[quiet depot]

I think your activeness would've probably been the biggest factor

[vivid sleet]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/⭐-old-pvp-1-8-no-attack-cooldown-no-off-hand-⭐-1-18-1-9.70629/

[prisma wave]

if you want 1.8 people to be happy your only real option is actually running 1.8

[quiet depot]

idk I can't really remember was ages ago

[prisma wave]

that would make sense

[timber oak]

Then why even use 1.8... If we can just do the same in 1.20 basically, use one of those plugins

[vivid sleet]

Because its not perfect.

[prisma wave]

that is the complete opposite of what i said lmao

[prisma wave]

.

theyre not the same

[timber oak]

I mean support 1.8

[prisma wave]

idk man you're the one that wants 14% of your playerbase to be happy

[hard dagger]

i have very epic solution: just have a 1.8 server and 1.9+ server

[timber oak]

As of right now we just use the bad version of 1.8 combat anyway

[cinder flare]

now you're starting to get it

only support latest broski

your life will be all the better for it

[prisma wave]

if you're doing that and it works then whats the problem?

[timber oak]

I thought the old combat plugin would only work with 1.8 compatiblity but yeah that would make no sense lol

[prisma wave]

🤔

[vivid sleet]

Basically you got to decide.
A. Cater to older versions of the game, for the few people who are pro 1.8. The cost to this will be less updated network, that is limited by its older backwards support.
B. Make a great fucking game in newest versions, so that people want to play what is available and provided by you.

[timber oak]

It just means we dont need to support 1.8, or I cant see any reason other than the OG players atleast

[vivid sleet]

Fuck em

Imo

[timber oak]

Agreed, but not just my decision sadly

[vivid sleet]

I mean it is.

[cinder flare]

oh my god lol

[prisma wave]

this is going in circles so much

[vivid sleet]

😂

[cinder flare]

there's no point in even talking about this

if you can't drop support for 1.8, then why are we even discussing it

[vivid sleet]

He's adiment on making it compatible. So go do it.

[cinder flare]

just update to 1.20, get viabackwards and viarewind, and have a subpar server

[vivid sleet]

But no matter what it'll be not great for 1 version.

[cinder flare]

literally your only option

[vivid sleet]

But I can't see why you are okay with a not great game/experience for 1 version.

[cinder flare]

it kinda doesn't sound like he is

but that the "big shots" are forcing him to support 1.8 lmao

[vivid sleet]

When it comes to hardware you can't give that option to your community. You can't give monetisation option to your community either.

There are some things you decide, and they either play or dont play.

Your job is to make the best possible experience.

Can't make a tripple A game on Unreal engine 2.1 in 2023

[prisma wave]

they feed us poison (1.8 users)
so we buy their "cures" (viabackwards)
while they suppress our medicine (1.20)

[timber oak]

Most servers do this tbf

[distant sun]

Sounds like you forgot to take your medicine @prisma wave

[prisma wave]

normal pills

[vivid sleet]

And most servers are dog shit

XD

[timber oak]

Well when I say most I mean all the big ones really

[cinder flare]

most servers run a 1.8 server for performance reasons

[prisma wave]

the WEF wants you to live in a pod and eat bugs and support minecraft 1.8

[cinder flare]

hardly any servers run the latest and are backwards version compatible

[vivid sleet]

All those big ones, would lose too much updating.

You'd lose 10 players

[ocean quartz]

Most servers run 1.8 for pvp reasons, not performance

[vivid sleet]

Why is this even a debate anyway aren't you running a prison server

[cinder flare]

tbh i would figure the performance plays a big part

[prisma wave]

yeah if u want performance and a somewhat modern experience 1.12 is the best

[vivid sleet]

Just make it 1.8

[distant sun]

Because it is not worth tbh, why would you play on a 1.20 server with 1.8 client to see bats and squids and other stuff instead of bees, fish etc.

[prisma wave]

case study 2b2t

the oldest anarchy server on minecraft

[cinder flare]

if you can squeeze 10 servers running 1.8 or 5 servers running 1.20, that's a pretty big difference

[cinder flare]

welcome to the conversation lmao

that's what we've been trying to convince this guy of for the past like 30 minutes

[vivid sleet]

I understand staying on an older version.

I dont understand using the latest version and adding backward capability

[distant sun]

Who?

[prisma wave]

your mother

[timber oak]

because I'm trying to convince someone else as well lol, I agree with you guys

I think 1.8 should be dropped but yeah

Not just my decision

[distant sun]

Ah Valdemar

[timber oak]

Yup

[vivid sleet]

What's your average playercount

[oblique heath]

i think another big reason big servers run 1.8 is because they're old and have legacy code for 1.8 that might not translate well to later versions

[timber oak]

I think roughly 100

[vivid sleet]

roughly 100.

And 13.4% of all joins are 1.8?

You have a 100 average playercount you probably have what 10-15k joins?

[obtuse gale]

bombaclart there is no way y’all still bloody discussing 1.8 and 1.20

😂😂😂

[timber oak]

That might be true as well yeah

[cinder flare]

that is the reason hypixel does it lol

[vivid sleet]

Yup

[timber oak]

Probably yeah

[cinder flare]

and i honestly can't think of any other big servers

[inner umbra]

Anyone know if hypixel's core is still 1.7.10? Lol all the hate about 1.8 but there are servers that go further.

[obtuse gale]

minecon

[cinder flare]

yup it is

[oblique heath]

thats what they tweeted a while back right

i cant imagine it changed since then

[prisma wave]

I heard it’s 1.8 now I thought

[obtuse gale]

minecon

running in 1.4.9

[prisma wave]

also PLEASE stop comparing servers to hypixel

[obtuse gale]

ennit

[prisma wave]

it's just not useful at all

[obtuse gale]

hypixel arnt even like a server they basically just like a a game

[prisma wave]

exactly

like so much shit is custom they might as well not even be using the notchian server

[obtuse gale]

hence why they making that hytale shit

[distant sun]

Ofc yapp mentions hypixel 🤣 unless you afford to pay devs 80k$, dont mention them

[drifting aspen]

Yeah, I think it's been on 1.8 for a while now

[vivid sleet]

So you want to add a fake not very well made version for at most 13 average players out of 100. Limiting your game for 87 players. Tell me thats honestly a good idea @timber oak

[obtuse gale]

brister well i’m glad we agree with each other

[inner umbra]

Didn't their dev say in the same post that their jar was so heavly modified that it was essentially custom?

[prisma wave]

yeah i mean it is

[ocean quartz]

Hypixel is also working on latest version, there is a post with custom UIs and stuff

[vivid sleet]

^

[prisma wave]

i think they can still do that while running 1.8

[prisma wave]

me too man

[obtuse gale]

again hypixel arnt even minecraft at this point or a server they are just there own game using minecraft as there bitch

[distant sun]

Crazy shit tbh

[inner umbra]

Star mentioned it first lol

[vivid sleet]

Comparing yourself to Hypixel is stupid. Ignoring Hypixel is just as stupid.

[prisma wave]

no it's not

[vivid sleet]

It is.

[prisma wave]

ignoring them is good

[obtuse gale]

it’s not

[prisma wave]

theyre in a league of their own, theres very little useful inspiration you can take from them implementation-wise

[obtuse gale]

i agree brister

[vivid sleet]

Disagree

[obtuse gale]

100%

[prisma wave]

unless you want to spend years and millions of dollars making your own custom server

[prisma wave]

why

[distant sun]

Is like comparing your small business with a multi-billion company

[obtuse gale]

^

it’s like comparing sainsbury’s with tescos

[inner umbra]

I wonder how they're gonna deal with this new guns bull shit mojang is pulling.

[prisma wave]

um

[obtuse gale]

tescos are just better 😭

[vivid sleet]

Hypixel wasn't always a multibillion company. Besides you do compare small business' to industry leaders.

[oblique heath]

but mah slime format worlds

[vivid sleet]

Wdym lmao

You dont compare as in try do what they do.

[prisma wave]

sure but hypixel is also like 10 years old

[distant sun]

Yeah I wanted to say that xD

[cinder flare]

ooh swm is so cool

hopefully gonna use it for our dungeon system

[prisma wave]

i dont think the company analogy is good

[obtuse gale]

what they pulling?

[ocean quartz]

https://blockgametracker.gg/

[vivid sleet]

So? If I wanted to make an FPS, as an indie dev, I'd still look at tripple A fps games.

Wether they are in my league or not.

They do things right.

[prisma wave]

yes, at a high level, not implementation-wise

[obtuse gale]

^

[cinder flare]

yeah lol

[inner umbra]

Allegedly trying to get big guns servers like grand theft minecraft to remove guns.

[vivid sleet]

Right so ignoring is just as bad.

[obtuse gale]

…..

[prisma wave]

bro

[obtuse gale]

what

tf

really

so childish

[cinder flare]

that's like looking at Payday 2's success and thinking "man, i should make my own game in the Diesel engine! look at what it can do!"

[prisma wave]

this whole time we've been talking about implementations

[cinder flare]

let's just say, there's a reason they're making Payday 3 in Unreal

[obtuse gale]

^

[distant sun]

It is for the children 🤓

[obtuse gale]

shush

you know what i meant

[prisma wave]

it's more like looking at fucking half-life and intentionally using the original source engine from 1998 or whatever lmao

[obtuse gale]

fax

[cinder flare]

those are very similar lol

[distant sun]

Yeah I'm just saying that's their reason, kids' safety

[obtuse gale]

yes ik but stilll

okay but there’s other ways around it

[cinder flare]

the poor Diesel engine 😔

[vivid sleet]

Anyway the best implementation of 1.8 pvp I seen on newer versions was Skyblock Isles.

But they rewrote the game basically.

Probably cost a fortune

[prisma wave]

exactly

[vivid sleet]

For little gain

[prisma wave]

so you might as well just ignore them entirely

[vivid sleet]

And the amount they spent brought it to its closure.

Lol

So yeah

[prisma wave]

you're not gonna get any useful information by copying hypixel

[inner umbra]

But to come at a decent sized server saying you have to remove your core feature even though our game contains similar features is fucked.

[vivid sleet]

I wasnt suggesting that

[distant sun]

The thing with mc is you are dependent on the game code. Is not the same as creating your own game (as in your shooter example).

[vivid sleet]

Misunderstood we were talking about implementation lmao

[prisma wave]

sure sounded like you were lol

ah

[vivid sleet]

Thought you were saying ignore it entirely dont even look at it whilst starting a business.

Which I disagree with

Somewhat

[cinder flare]

we all know BM only talks in absolutes

[prisma wave]

oh yeah no at a high level theres a lot of useful ideas

[vivid sleet]

Should absolutely look at industry leaders, and competition.

But yeah not for dated infrastructure.

[prisma wave]

on this note, minestom would kinda go hard for a hypixel clone

[cinder flare]

there have been so many words in this conversation

but so little of actual meaning

[prisma wave]

so true lmao

40 minutes of man talking to wall dot gif

[obtuse gale]

like instead of just banning guns on minecraft microsoft could just implement a age thing where you have to verify if a server makes you so then hypixel could make a thing where if your minecraft account hasn’t been verified with microsoft/mojang it wouldn’t let you pla

so many ways around it

not just making people ban them type of shit

like…

[prisma wave]

what happened with that whole chat reporting thing?

ive not heard anyone crying about it for ages

[cinder flare]

ooh yes, let's have more global moderation and central control

[distant sun]

I guess it would be a better idea than patching 1.8 for some stuff, as long you got a big budget

[obtuse gale]

?

[inner umbra]

Mojang moved on to banning users that show up in grieving videos lol

[cinder flare]

i would love Microsoft to have a copy of my ID and any requisitite legal documents, there's no chance they'll mishandle my private information!

[sly sonnet]

because literally everyone has it disabled?

[prisma wave]

yeah like it's low level enough that you could probably support lower versions, and you get good performance for free

[obtuse gale]

star you know what i meant

[cinder flare]

i don't actually

[prisma wave]

oh that'll do it i guess

[obtuse gale]

how

[cinder flare]

how else would you "verify your age"

[obtuse gale]

just when you use ebay

send a picture of your id

driving licence

uno many ways

[cinder flare]

this is literally what i said

[distant sun]

You swear you don't lie about it

[obtuse gale]

most company’s now adays make you require your age been present to use there shit

[distant sun]

Pinky promise

[cinder flare]

what lol

i haven't seen one

[sly sonnet]

im sleepy joe let me play guns in hypixel

[cinder flare]

that would be a massive breach of privacy

[vivid sleet]

PayPal waits until you have $1000+ in your account and then demands your ID

Anyone want to make a payment gateway 😂

[cinder flare]

PayPal handles actual money like a pseudo-bank

[vivid sleet]

PayPal is just disgusting

[cinder flare]

lord knows I do not want game companies verifying my ID

[inner umbra]

Microsoft isn't allowed to require identification for a game where they allow children under the age of 13 to play.

[distant sun]

Paypal 💩

[vivid sleet]

Doesn’t have direct competition so can do what it wants

[prisma wave]

stripe kissing emoji

[inner umbra]

It got quite real quick lmfao

[vivid sleet]

Stripe is barely on the same page.

[distant sun]

Only if it was more popular in this community

[prisma wave]

how is it not lol

if anything it's better

in many ways

[cinder flare]

stripe is great

[vivid sleet]

Its not as global, and it requires a card, which requires a bank, which requires ID.

[cinder flare]

it just doesn't give you a virtual wallet to store money

[vivid sleet]

I never said it wasnt good.

[prisma wave]

so does paypal??

[vivid sleet]

But its not really competition

[vivid sleet]

No

Wrong

[cinder flare]

yeah you gotta link something to either deposit money or withdraw money from paypal

[inner umbra]

Crypto 😉

[vivid sleet]

Only if you withdraw

[cinder flare]

or i guess you can just move the money around between other paypal accounts?

[vivid sleet]

You can still receive and spend.

Thus you could be 7

[prisma wave]

oh well thats extremely useful

[vivid sleet]

and earn money

and spend it

entirely illegally.

[prisma wave]

not entirely true

[cinder flare]

sounds illegal!

[prisma wave]

they ask for age when u sign up

or at least they should have

[vivid sleet]

No they ask they dont ask for proof.

[prisma wave]

somehow i got away with it and now im fucked because theyve been asking me for ID for years now 😭

[inner umbra]

Minimum is 13

[vivid sleet]

Until you pass a threshold or want to withdraw

[cinder flare]

paypal without a credit card/bank account is the money equivalent of purely functional programming languages 😌

[distant sun]

As long they dont send you a random verification, you can use it without an id 🤣

[prisma wave]

literally no it's not it's 18

[cinder flare]

no effects lmao

[prisma wave]

paypal are very strict with underage signups

[distant sun]

And ik that from experience

[vivid sleet]

Same

[oblique heath]

💀

[inner umbra]

For banking yes. But for just accessing the site.

[prisma wave]

they force you to verify if ur making more than a certain amount per year / month

what

[vivid sleet]

Yeah

[distant sun]

Yeah..

[vivid sleet]

But what 12 year old reaches that threshold.

[prisma wave]

well

[vivid sleet]

And cant make a new account after

😂

[prisma wave]

you cant make a new account very easily

they usually catch it

[vivid sleet]

You can

I have

Many

[cinder flare]

i mean i think i would say there's a reason 12 year olds aren't allowed to handle money

[prisma wave]

then perhaps i need to do that

[vivid sleet]

I dont think its healthy at all.

[prisma wave]

not super uncommon, particularly in this community

[vivid sleet]

But like

[cinder flare]

maybe the restrictions that have been put in place regarding our financial system have a reason for existing 🤔

[vivid sleet]

Its not on the same level as stripe and stuff.

Its so much more accessible.

For fraud, for illegal activity, for minors.

Worldwide.

[prisma wave]

maybe not 12 years old but i got pretty close to the threshold when i was like 15 maybe

[cinder flare]

yikes lol

[vivid sleet]

Which is why its so dominant

[prisma wave]

(just kidding)

[distant sun]

What even is the threshold?

[cinder flare]

private mines doing some work 😌

[prisma wave]

i wish it was lmao i made like $80 from it

[inner umbra]

In the US I assume $600 xD

[prisma wave]

If you are an individual, you must be a resident of the United States or one of its territories and at least 18 years old, or the age of majority in your state of residence to open a U.S. PayPal account and use the PayPal services

[vivid sleet]

Yeah but they dont verify

On account creation

[inner umbra]

We were talking about stripe

[vivid sleet]

You just tick a box.

[distant sun]

Because I got a random verification and I'm sure I was under 1000$ in total in the 4 years or so I had the account for

[vivid sleet]

Lets not pretend we read tos

[prisma wave]

no we werent

[vivid sleet]

I'm on my 3rd paypal account its had 5 figures move through it. Still not verified.

But a bank is linked.

[distant sun]

😳

[inner umbra]

I'm on mobile I can't screenshot everything in one lol, go read what I replied to.

[vivid sleet]

Semi-verified I guess

With the bank being linked.

But in theory

Could still be fraud

[cinder flare]

yeah some government should probably shut paypal down at this point

[distant sun]

Imagine

[cinder flare]

lots and lots of illegal activity goes on there lol

[vivid sleet]

Government cant even track paypal earnings properly to recoup taxes

lmao

[distant sun]

A world without paypal 🥹

[vivid sleet]

Unless you withdraw

[cinder flare]

yeah exactly

all the more reason

[vivid sleet]

Same for crypto

[cinder flare]

crypto is a yikes lol

but that's a whole different beast

[vivid sleet]

Anyway yeah paypal is just disgsusting but interesting topic

A friend lost 30k to paypal

They locked his account.

[distant sun]

Hehe

Why would you keep that much in your account

[quiet depot]

crypto is great

[distant sun]

Ive heard many stories

[quiet depot]

i love crypto

[vivid sleet]

He was a millionaire.

[quiet depot]

send me crypto thanks

[ocean quartz]

With a locked account you can withdraw the money after 180 days no?

[inner umbra]

I like crypto because it's decentralized. It's harder to get value from it of course. But it has its uses.

[cinder flare]

tax evasion, money laundering, etc.

[vivid sleet]

They wanted proof of how it was obtained.

[distant sun]

Sha512

[vivid sleet]

And he couldnt provide what they wanted.

Moved to cashapp for giveaways.

[distant sun]

Fair

[ocean quartz]

Tbh storing that much money on paypal is .. yikes lol

[prisma wave]

for me it's €2500 / year

[vivid sleet]

Well he was a millionaire tbf

So its equal to what $300-3000 for us prolly

😂

[distant sun]

Waiting for a problem to happen

[ocean quartz]

Ah so he lost like $30 then, gotcha

[vivid sleet]

lmao

Still crazy

[oblique heath]

what's your XMR address

[quiet depot]

2 secs

[vivid sleet]

Ive set mine up to automatically withdraw to my bank

[cinder flare]

XMLHttpRequest 😌

[quiet depot]

8BPmkidBKJsj7qfWGCQmhpEqG4ptPB4GAKTMuP5cJqi2HXRoWX9LPu3XDJinpKsvQ276PiZbCLGc4b1Qcwy5kKSP6DDKCgS

[vivid sleet]

Was telling this to someone recently apparently it charges them crazy fees to do the same but doesnt cost me.

[inner umbra]

smashes keyboard

[cinder flare]

bro's never seen base64 before

[oblique heath]

nah that looks legit

[vivid sleet]

Too long

[quiet depot]

that's cuz it is legit

[prisma wave]

this is talking about stripe, i said "so does paypal [require an ID]", then josh was saying "only if you withdraw [from PayPal]"

im not going insane here

[vivid sleet]

Yeah we were discussing why stripe isnt on the same league as paypal.

Interms of competition.

[prisma wave]

can i have my $2 back

[vivid sleet]

Then mainly discussed why paypal sucks dick

[quiet depot]

send it to me and i'll send it to bm

[cinder flare]

stripe is a lot more reputable and trustworthy for more reputable businesses lmao

[quiet depot]

good to have a middle man for these sorta things

[oblique heath]

when did you give me two dollar

[quiet depot]

don't want any fishy business going on

[vivid sleet]

Anyone used Adyen?

[cinder flare]

obviously a little minecraft server wants a little illegal money transfer, etc.

[inner umbra]

That's not what I responded too. He was saying something about using stripe and not verifying. Then saying a 7 year old could do it.

[distant sun]

But fish is good

[prisma wave]

I’ve used NotAiden

[prisma wave]

He was 100% talking about PayPal there lol

[vivid sleet]

Its what like Steam, Mcdonalds and shit use

A stripe competitor

[prisma wave]

Oh maybe it wasn’t you sorry

Getting confused with someone else

[quiet depot]

:o

[oblique heath]

feel free to send me $2 anytime tho

[vivid sleet]

lol

[oblique heath]

39f2ec644ff79b9ebcc37c653519161a8487bc9391428e6501ee298a89a68be7

sent

[quiet depot]

ermagerd

[distant sun]

Lol

[oblique heath]

two nickels

[quiet depot]

sheesh

[prisma wave]

How kind

[inner umbra]

Yeap I see where you asked about paypal.

[quiet depot]

thank you kind soul namaste 🙏

[distant sun]

Oh lol, google shows how much is 1, and I was like "did you just got 164$"? :))

[quiet depot]

sadly not

[distant sun]

But not, thats only 0.098$ lol

[quiet depot]

to be fair 9.8 cents is kinda ballin

[oblique heath]

that's big money

[inner umbra]

I accept erc-20 coins if anyone is sharing xD

[distant sun]

0.2 more and you can get a chewed gum

[oblique heath]

this is approximately how much i paid a discord user to leave 🫘 reacts on a forum page of a discord i'm in for a solid week

also paid out in xmr ofc

[quiet depot]

well when you're paying big bucks like that you can expect a job to be done properly

i'm sure he was very grateful for the opportunity

[oblique heath]

yeah i was very satisfied with the quality of the work

[distant sun]

You never know what 9.8 cents can get you on the other side of the world

[oblique heath]

a loaf of bread

[quiet depot]

not even tho

like a slice of bread

[inner umbra]

Nothing cause it would cost way more then that to fly there xD

[quiet depot]

maybe some burnt toast

[oblique heath]

i looked it up and according to google the guy i paid 10 cents to could buy a small loaf of bread for that in his country

[quiet depot]

gaby is the expert on bread

[oblique heath]

obviously nothing fancy but

bread is bread

[pastel imp]

well, I just read through 700 messages....

I regret

[quiet depot]

unless... ivan, are you too romanian?

[distant sun]

It got expensive here, 2 ron which is like, uh, 40 cents?

[oblique heath]

close i'm russian

[pastel imp]

eyo

how are things there?

[quiet depot]

last I heard from gaby the romanians are the international experts on relating bread to currency

[distant sun]

So you can get 1/4 if a bread

[pastel imp]

heard the russian civilians are suffering a lot from this whole drama

[oblique heath]

i have no idea ngl since i haven't visited russia in half a decade

[pastel imp]

oh bruh

[distant sun]

Our parents are actually, we still do that as a joke 🤣

[pastel imp]

big bruh

[oblique heath]

my grandma is doing fine in the middle of the boonies though

[quiet depot]

ah

[pastel imp]

you living where rn if I may ask?

[oblique heath]

maryland

[prisma wave]

I thought they preferred stolen cars as currency

[pastel imp]

American

[distant sun]

You dont have to attack us like that, beans and toast man!

[ocean quartz]

Gaby, what is the minimum wage over there in bread per month?

[pastel imp]

☕

[quiet depot]

well you have denominations you see

[prisma wave]

sorry man it’s just funny

[quiet depot]

you wouldn't buy a sky scraper with bread

you'd use stolen cars

just like you wouldn't buy a sky scraper with cents

you'd use *******

[distant sun]

1500 if you get the cheapest 🤣

[ocean quartz]

Tbh that's not bad

[pastel imp]

quitely leaves convo while living in the country with the highest minimum wage in europe

[prisma wave]

ahhh I see

[distant sun]

Food for the whole family

[prisma wave]

https://thepressunited.com/updates/eu-countrys-officials-caught-in-stolen-car-media/amp/ Romanian politician went to visit Albania in a stolen car lmfao

[distant sun]

😤

[inner umbra]

Go to dubai. They just leave cars everywhere.

[distant sun]

If they have a more brown skin color, they are not romanians 🤣

[ocean quartz]

Over here we're talking about 1630 baguette per month

[distant sun]

oh 🥖

[prisma wave]

Idk about you but this doesn’t look brown to me

[distant sun]

These are a special species

[vivid sleet]

me

[static zealot]

That title makes it sound like they stole it lol.

[prisma wave]

i mean

maybe they did

[static zealot]

well the article says otherwise. but sure

[pastel imp]

just had the brilliant idea of calling my config lib "JustAnotherConfigLib"

sounds perfect ngl

[distant sun]

Jacl

[pastel imp]

JACLib?

[distant sun]

Maybe xD

[pastel imp]

Better name: Jacklin

[ocean quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/keyandpeele-got-my-eye-on-you-jquellin-names-pronunciation-gif-8049987

[distant sun]

Lol

[crude cloud]

whenComplete/handle/exceptionally ?

[prisma wave]

her ass is NOT scrolling up

[crude cloud]

i'm literally reading the whole thing right now

"sc8rolling"

[prisma wave]

?

[crude cloud]

(edited)

[prisma wave]

?

[crude cloud]

dawg that's too many messages

[prisma wave]

we were talking about checked exceptions

is the tldr

[crude cloud]

nah but after that too

[hard dagger]

by handle i mean it in the same way hashmap can handle null

not like catching the exception

[hard dagger]

also ignorewhat u replied to cuz i nvmed it

[sturdy zinc]

whats the best way to add command to an array?

[sweet cipher]

What do you mean?

[sturdy zinc]

it's the first arg of a command for tab complete

[sweet cipher]

I don't understand what you're trying to do

[sturdy zinc]

to remove commands if they don't have perms

[sweet cipher]

Do you mean tab complete?

[sturdy zinc]

I did say that above

[sweet cipher]

So just check if they have permission then add it if they do

[sturdy zinc]

it can be lots of text if I use if then's I want to use a loop

every attempt to use a loop don't seem to work

[sweet cipher]

Can you send something you have tried so I can better understand what you are trying to do?

[sturdy zinc]

https://paste.helpch.at/yuxonazumu.csharp would like to shorten this

[sweet cipher]

I would recommend using either a library or creating your own system for sub commands if you really want to shorten that

Because if your tab completion is like that, your actual command must be a lot worse

That's the best way I can think of if you want to use loops

[sturdy zinc]

thanks I will look into a library setup

[hard dagger]

yooo im not completely hopeless!! https://imgur.com/a/XNJqmvf (also dw abt the source, therell be real cfg source implementations later)

[sly sonnet]

What exactly is ur problem?

[hard dagger]

I dont have any problem

If i did the test wouldnt be green

Im just showing it off cuz i was talking abt it yssterday

[wind patio]

configuration class unit tests

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-black-guy-shocked-gif-27437284

[hard dagger]

Huh

oh

im slow

[alpine shale]

Could the staff that deleted my request paid post explain how do I make it to follow the guidelines

[pallid gale]

Not really the right channel for this but it looks like it fails the following:
Requests should not be for members to join a 'team', instead should be for a predefined project.
Percentages of profits to be allowed only if a range of expected profits is also included.

[alpine shale]

Its a predefined project, but it needs more clients

And I can't give an expected range of profits because that only depends on how big your community is

Well, I could put $0-$400 or something like that but it would be pointless

[pallid gale]

If you can't meet the requirements of the channel then it's not a valid service request.

[alpine shale]

If I put $0-$400 would it be valid?

[pallid gale]

You're still requesting for people to join your team as a promoter are you not?

[alpine shale]

I am asking people for a promoting service

No need to join any team

[alpine shale]

A promoting service for a predefined project

[pastel imp]

okay kinda quite making my own config library lmao

it's a pain messing with files...

Although still haven't found a config library that works the way I want it to work

[pastel imp]

the one that replicates almost what I want is ConfigLib, so suppose that's gonna be the one

[agile galleon]

Why not use Configurate?

Or heck, Jackson

[pastel imp]

I dislike the whole nodes thing.

I prefer to work with records/pojos

makes it a lot easier to organize and make changes

Only interesting one I found was https://github.com/Xezard/XConfiguration but it hasn't been updated in 3 years so yeah

[lavish notch]

I am curious to know what people think is better / what people prefer.

I am working on re-coding an old plugin of mine that I never ended-up releasing on Spigot, etc.
It's a Bungeecord Staff List plugin as showcased in the Github read-me: https://github.com/MackenzieMolloy/BungeeStaffList

I am wanting to know if people prefer staff groups being identified by a permission node or by being explicitly listed in a plugin config file.

[pastel imp]

Also, same issue as above

[crude cloud]

jackson can 1000% work with records

lol

[agile galleon]

Configurate also

[crude cloud]

even an unconfigured gson instance will work with records, though it is a fair bit slower than jackson but unless you need massive throughput it's not noticeable

[agile galleon]

Never used Configurate any other way than POJOs lol

Definitely lack of research my guy

[pastel imp]

WTH

DEF link me where it shows records/pojos being used

like, NOW

I have been living a lie

tf

[pastel imp]

apparently....

[crude cloud]

https://github.com/FasterXML/jackson/wiki/Jackson-Release-2.12#java-14-record-type-support over a year and a half ago

sorry, i mean almost 3 years

[pastel imp]

Yeah also just found the configurate thing too

bruh I really didn't do enough research

💀

will probably use configurate

[agile galleon]

https://github.com/HibiscusMC/HMCWraps/blob/master/src/main/java/de/skyslycer/hmcwraps/HMCWrapsPlugin.java#L181

Welp late to the party

In combination with bgsoftwares CommentedConfiguration its a goat

[fiery star]

Hello I have a question about the gui, I'm trying to develop a gui or on the top gui you can't add items, but you can move the bottom items, the problem is that by spamming an item from the bottom to an empty box at the top I still manage to put it, is there a way to overcome this or should you just also prohibit the movement at the bottom?

[pastel imp]

didn't understand anything you just said but my guess is it's not dev related, so head to #general-plugins or #1007620980627230730

[fiery star]

I'm talking about development

[pastel imp]

then you might need to rephrase it lol

[fiery star]

yes no worries

let me explain

I'm making a gui, so we have the gui (top menu) and player inventory (bottom menu)

most of the gui (deluxe menu for example) you can't move the items in the menus. I would like players to be able to move the items in their inventories (bottom menus) but on the other hand they must not be able to move them in the top menu, I tried to make a code that cancels the event when it moves in the top menu, but by spamming in an empty box after a while we get there anyway, how to do?

sorry if you don't understand everything, I did it with google translate

(sorry for the ping, i forget to disable it)

[pastel imp]

tbh I would just check for slots I suppose? Unsure how to deal with this.

Also, I just realized after asking for support on papermc, paper plugins are actually sick. No need for shading, PluginLoaders are sick, everything is better ngl

[brittle leaf]

send a message to chat or to console of the clicktype, then identify which clicktypes move items from the bottom inventory to the top inventory then just cancel the inventoryclickevent when those clicktypes occur