Oh yea makes sense
#dev-general
leaden sparrow
ionic gust
i dont either? 💀 well for some but not the 2 TB one
half harness
where do you have free 2 TB servers
leaden sparrow
Free server how? Why? Where?
half harness
ah
ionic gust
where do you have free 2 TB servers
my friend is mcyt server host 
half harness
Free server how? Why? Where?
you haven't heard of it
half harness
my friend is mcyt server host <:sunglas:959190576761274439>
smhhhh
half harness
Oracle ⭐
free 24gb memory, 4 cores
downside is arm64 but it doesn't really affect me
leaden sparrow
Free? You kiddin? How?
half harness
magic
frail glade
I get all my machines from https://helpch.at/host
leaden sparrow
I like free stuff
half harness
im not clicking that
ionic gust
im not clicking that
dont, it just stole my ip
half harness
just get a bunch of free server hosts and spread ur data across all of them
where do you get free server hosts
or you know what
ionic gust
where do you get free server hosts
no like google drive
half harness
back then there was a free file hosting service that had like a terabyte
half harness
since i made like 10 alt accounts and pretended that i referred it to people
ionic gust
i heard mega has a lot of free storage
half harness
but i dont remember the name of that
ionic gust
https://tixte.com has 15 GB for free
half harness
I am ready to learn sensei
do you have linux experience
leaden sparrow
Yes
half harness
like setting up a vps
leaden sparrow
Installing and stuff? Yes
half harness
alright then ill tell you
but
beware that it's a free service
so they might just terminate your VPS
ionic gust
...
half harness
I'd recommend making back ups
leaden sparrow
Makes sense
half harness
so they might just terminate your VPS
has happened to many users of this discord btw
ionic gust
bro what sketchy business r u doing
half harness
which is why I'm telling you in advance
@leaden sparrow
https://cloud.oracle.com create an account
ionic gust
I get all my machines from <https://helpch.at/host>
bruhhhh noooo https://srnyx.is-from.space/gRKcF9FXfm.png
frail glade
newtork is fast my man
ocean quartz
It's just their customer support that is so good they'll talk with you before you even need
ionic gust
newtork is fast my man
i think this is the first sentence glare has said without capitlization
frail glade
Ope
half harness
i think this is the first sentence glare has said without capitlization
omg
omg
im sorry
ionic gust
this is monumental
frail glade
I'm not unmuting you if you get yourself muted.
half harness
wow
ionic gust
It's just their customer support that is so good they'll talk with you before yo...
he got impatient and closed the session tho i am sad :(
frail glade
Yeah cause you didn't respond fast enough.
ionic gust
:(
frail glade
Their network goes fast, you gotta respond fast too.
leaden sparrow
<@294593079812292609>
https://cloud.oracle.com create an account
How long are you on today? The website is super fucking slow on my phone and I cant get on my PC rn
half harness
How long are you on today? The website is super fucking slow on my phone and I c...
not for long
I'm probably going to be gone at about 4
leaden sparrow
What time is it rn (no clue what timezone you in)
leaden sparrow
Ah fuck
Oh well then I will just message you somewhere and you can respond when ever you have time
ocean quartz
@half harness
half harness
🥰
leaden sparrow
Nice thanks alot
half harness
ill just put the instructions here
@half harness
How to create a FREE Lifetime Oracle VPS
last updated: <t:1696980660:D>
Warning: Many people have got their VPS randomly terminated, so might want to make periodic backups!
I myself have not gotten mine terminated
Oracle does reclaim idle instances with an email warning:
Idle Always Free compute instances may be reclaimed by Oracle. Oracle will deem virtual machine and bare metal compute instances as idle if, during a 7-day period, the following are true:
CPU utilization for the 95th percentile is less than 10%
Network utilization is less than 10%
Memory utilization is less than 10% (applies to A1 shapes only)
Information on the resources that you get for free: https://docs.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/FreeTier/freetier_topic-Always_Free_Resources.htm
Note: Use https://www.oracle.com/cloud/costestimator.html (Compute VM -> Load) to see how much it'll cost (Make sure to press Apply 200GB Free Tier Discount in Storage - Block Volumes)
- https://cloud.oracle.com Create an account - You will need a debit/credit card
- Go to Compute -> Instances (https://i.imgur.com/dwpCM7K.png)
- Make sure that the
Compartmentis set tousername (root)
Here is an image: https://i.imgur.com/6tz7DDU.png
- Press "Create instance"
- Click Edit next to Image and shape (https://i.imgur.com/ggjJhjr.png)
- Click "Change image" and switch it to Canonical Ubuntu (You should use 22.04 if possible as 20.04 is only supported until April 2025)
- Click "Select image" at the bottom
- Click "Change shape" and switch it to Ampere ->
VM.Standard.A1.Flex(https://i.imgur.com/1AAiPP3.png)
The default option (VM.Standard.E2.1.Micro) will also work. The differences are that it uses an AMD CPU (which tends to have better compatibility and general performance), but because of that (it's more expensive!), you can only have 2, and for each, you only get 1 CPU core, 1GB of memory, and the network bandwidth is limited to 480Mbps (megabits/second)
With VM.Standard.A1.Flex (what is boxed in red), you have 4 OCPUs and 24GB memory total, you can switch in the future so for now you can max it out (to 4 OCPU and 24GB)
9. Click "Select shape" at the bottom
10. Make sure to either generate or if you already have an SSH key, upload your public key files in the "Add SSH keys" section
11. At the bottom where it says "Boot volume", the default is 46.6 GB, if you want more than this (limited to 200GB), press "Specify a custom boot volume size" but it must be at least 50GB. You cannot decrease the size, however you can increase it later. Because of this, I would highly recommend keeping the boot volume under (or at) 150GB, or else you'll have to terminate your instance to create any others
12. Press "Create." Note: you may get an "Out of Capacity" error due to there being no more available VPSes. I would recommend first switching Availability Domain (press "Edit" on the right of the "Placement" box at the top) and pressing "Create" a couple times (this has worked for me many times). If that still doesn't work, then you can automate this process using https://github.com/hitrov/oci-arm-host-capacity/
13. Wait for it to say "Running" (might have to refresh the page in a few minutes) and then where it says "Instance access", that's how you can connect to the VPS
_ _
wind patio
it's simple
inner umbra
I needed that thank you.
half harness
<@521485088995672084>
**How to create a FREE Lifetime Oracle VPS**
*last update...
@leaden sparrow
Maybe this will help others too
¯_(ツ)_/¯
inner umbra
Give me a bit xD
lucid tangle
Yeah I got it
thank you
Sorry for not confirming that worked
I got no errors in console or anything
leaden sparrow
<@294593079812292609>
What are the limitations? Except arm and possible termination
half harness
What are the limitations? Except arm and possible termination
That's it
obtuse gale
anticheat plugin that would create phantom structures (underground bases with farms, chests and shulkers and hidden portals in nether or even players from list of online players sitting "afk" underground) around all players and do not create structures within like 1k from spawn and do not create any structures or players around players with a permission, and if they do dig down to it and start interracting with them, it bans them automatically
^ are there any devs or experienced users who would be able to tell how much would that cost to develop ?
ten grand
i'm joking, one hundred grand
leaden sparrow
That's it
Very Very cool, last question : is it one vm per account or can I recreate it as many times as I want?
half harness
Very Very cool, last question : is it one vm per account or can I recreate it as...
Infinite
Sort of
You can only make 4 amperes (bc of 200gb storage limit and 47gb min per each)
Then 4 tiny AMD vms
1gb and 1 core
I don't remember if it includes storage or not
I'm on phone so I don't feel like checking 🥲
ionic gust
@long dagger just thought of something, what if u also somehow incorporated https://spigotmc.org/resources/49387 into dialogues? no idea how you could do it or if u could make ur own tho
polar iris
hey all, i am trying to setup networking stuff for jellyfin, by adding an SSL certificate and a subpath domain using certbot and Nginx
I am following this documentation https://jellyfin.org/docs/general/networking/nginx#https-config-example
but I don't know where to put the config (I have nginx and certbot installed)
long dagger
Interesting, thanks for your input! 🙂
leaden sparrow
Infinite
Sort of
You can only make 4 amperes (bc of 200gb storage limit and 47gb...
Wait hold up, I can have 4 4core vms with 47gb each for free?
and only down side is arm64 and possible termination?
half harness
Wait hold up, I can have 4 4core vms with 47gb each for free?
Nooo
4 cores total
24gb memory total
200gb storage total
All for ampere
Storage also includes AMD too I think
leaden sparrow
ahh got ya
so I could make 4 VMs with 1 core 6gb ram and 47gb storage?
do minecraft servers run on arm64? this could actually be useful for dev/demo servers
half harness
Yea
All the stuff I've installed support arm64
If I were you I'd make 1 vm with 24gb and 4 cores
More optimized since if u have 4 vms u have 4 of the OS, ptero, etc etc
leaden sparrow
it put me in a free trial, I am guessing this is normal? and the 24gb and 4 core vm is part of the "always free" stuff?
leaden sparrow
can I somehow restrict it so I "can't" use them?
half harness
can I somehow restrict it so I "can't" use them?
I think you can't anyways
I think u have to upgrade your account to a paid account
But it also tells you when creating a vm if you're going above the memory, etc
leaden sparrow
is there no way to select something like debian 
half harness
There is but it's not officially "supported" by oracle
I'm the image place
When creating a vm
Make sure to terminate a vm if you're going to switch (stopping it doesn't affect your limits)
leaden sparrow
I'm the image place
What do you mean xD?
half harness
What do you mean xD?
In*
leaden sparrow
I can't find debian. Maybe it doesn't exist anymore?
half harness
I can't find debian. Maybe it doesn't exist anymore?
It does
Make sure you're not looking in the official ones
half harness
I checked every category
Prob have to upload the iso
Look for like debian server iso
Or smth
Headless?
leaden sparrow
yea so I just googled, apparently Oracle removed the debian image along side lots of other distros
So ehhh I am trying to import it myself
but ehh I do feel like it will deffo fail xD
leaden sparrow
dafuq is atom :D?
ocean quartz
The text editor maybe? Though that was shutdown not too long ago
leaden sparrow
yea Atom is ded
viscid wing
The text editor maybe? Though that was shutdown not too long ago
oh fr?
lol
what text editor should i use then
for script
long dagger
what text editor should i use then
I use Atom
It is really feature rich and is backed by GitHub
viscid wing
I use Atom
They just said it’s shutdown
viscid wing
It is really feature rich and is backed by GitHub
How do I enable the script
long dagger
Not necessarily
viscid wing
How do I enable the script
Script package
long dagger
It is just no longer being updated
viscid wing
Oh
viscid wing
Script package
@long dagger
long dagger
I don't know what you mean
viscid wing
You can install packages right?
long dagger
I believe so, they also have a ton of built in packages
viscid wing
Yea, so how do you install the script/skript package
long dagger
I would google it, I don't know/use skript
ocean quartz
If I’m using Atom, what changes can I expect after the sunset?
Pre-built Atom binaries can continue to downloaded from the atom repository releases
Atom package management will stop working
No more security updates
Teletype will no longer work
Deprecated redirects that supported downloading Electron symbols and headers will no longer work
Most important here
Atom package management will stop working
This shutdown on December 15th
leaden sparrow
Prob have to upload the iso
Thanks alot. so basically Ehhh I tried to get a custom debian image. It failed, so I did an even worse thing. Install ubuntu minimal and just use fucky wucky shit to completely rip ubuntu and replace it with debian. Just so I can then make a custom image from the Ubuntu machine that is now a debian machine. it just took "a few" tries xD
and tbh it was the stupidest thing since Idgaf about the OS, I could've and probably should've just used ubuntu
leaden sparrow
Also I did some research and basically while the vm could be terminated anytime its not really that random. You have a monthly limit on usage, and everything that exceeds That monthly usage just gets killed. That only applies to the free stuff tho.
half harness
Also I did some research and basically while the vm could be terminated anytime ...
Wdym?
4 vcores goes below the limit
Above 5 and you risk getting it terminated
Maybe the ppl here just forgot that and got above 4? 🤷
Anyways i just wanted to point it out just in case
My vps has been going on for a while fine though
blissful sluice
Random thought:
is there some programmatic way of enabling the christmas textures permanently, or disabling them permanently 🤔
pallid gale
blissful sluice
yeah but that can fuck with other stuff
leaden sparrow
Wdym?
4 vcores goes below the limit
Yes but you also have a monthly limit for stuff. This is one of the limitations "Up to 4 instances of ARM Ampere A1 Compute with 3,000 OCPU hours and 18,000 GB hours per month"
Not that you can ever go over that in a month
leaden sparrow
My vps has been going on for a while fine though
Did you personally ever get terminated or your vm?
distant sun
Random thought:
is there some programmatic way of enabling the christmas texture...
Use a texture pack 
half harness
Did you personally ever get terminated or your vm?
Nop
obtuse gale
I need help with developing.
solemn laurel
what you making
obtuse gale
need help with bungecord
solemn laurel
ah im no good at that sorry, maybe someone else can help
leaden sparrow
@half harness Thanks alot! it works like a charm!
how do you do backups? do you just manually do them or what is your approach?
queen saffron
@obtuse gale please be patient. Its Christmas after all-
And instead of saying "I need help"
Explain what's up??? We don't have all the time in the world. No time to ask for help and not ask the question with it.
obtuse gale
ok
chilly zenith
viscid wing
YOYOO
is this deluxemenus supports??
or is it skript support
i forgot which discord i joined
help
is this deluxemenus support
i need help w deluxemenus
distant sun
Sir, this is dev-general
brittle leaf
i need help w deluxemenus
viscid wing
im there rn
wind patio
Skript 💀💀💀
brittle leaf
if you got no knowledge of programming then its a somewhat simple way to do small things, but writting anything larger then a few lines should be done through actual plugin development
distant sun
The problem with skript is how people actually use it
But hey, if you want to make your entire server in skript, good luck
solemn laurel
I was in an anticheat dev server a while ago and saw someone trying to make a skript anticheat
needless to say… I don’t think it turned out well
But I guess I can’t be making fun of him because i tried it using command blocks before I knew how to code. I did a horrible job 😂
distant sun
well, skript is closer to spigot api than cmd blocks, the skript instructions are interpreted
slate elk
But I guess I can’t be making fun of him because i tried it using command blocks...
skript is actually fine
i never used it
but it literally does same as you can within just spigot api
just some limits
static zealot
just some limits
some many limits with worse performance and there's also the fact that it is easy to use which means people never bother to learn anything so they just end up with memory leaks and stuff
If you know what you're doing, then sure but at that point, why use skript
solemn laurel
I don’t know skript at all, but I’m guessing it’s more event based
and anticheats have more control running at a packet level
static zealot
I mean yeah. I didn't even get into that. There are already skript anticheats out there and they're very bad.
obtuse gale
I don’t know skript at all, but I’m guessing it’s more event based
What does this mean?
Like the regular spigot API is heavily event based too
You can't really do anything without listening to events
static zealot
that's what they meant I'm pretty sure. that skript is based on spigot's events
obtuse gale
I mean, that's just spigot too
static zealot
and anticheats have more control running at a packet level
.
obtuse gale
You can also attach to plib with skript, it's not gonna be pleasant but you can certainly do it
static zealot
emily is secretly an advanced skript user
obtuse gale
fortunately not
static zealot
oh ok. you gave me a heart attack for a second
solemn laurel
you can’t hide it any longer
Btw what language is skript or is it it’s own like interpreted language
static zealot
it is it's own language
solemn laurel
Ah I see
obtuse gale
you can’t hide it any longer
I don't know what you're talking about 🥸
merry gulch
How do I when a block is place send a message in chat?
static zealot
How do I when a block is place send a message in chat?
crystal gazelle
Hello, how do i request a service?
static zealot
#1047749266921230407 or #1047749270331215913. Read pinned messages for rules and stuff.
crystal gazelle
<#1047749266921230407> or <#1047749270331215913>. Read pinned messages for rules...
where?
static zealot
In the respective channels
static zealot
Ah
You are service muted
You can't see or use the service channels because you have the <@&452659172534648843> role.
@crystal gazelle you were supposed to be muted for 30 days but as we don't have a way to temporary mute, you remained muted for longer. I have unmuted you now and you should be able to see the service channels.
crystal gazelle
Thank you
agile galleon
<@649735692632457217> you were supposed to be muted for 30 days but as we don't ...
barry so cool and nice but cant temporary mute
why
static zealot
bcz cube is either lazy or busy. or both. idk.
brittle leaf
i wanna rework a plugin i made for a different use since some of it can be used for ssid project but when i go to actually make prpgress i just chsnge a few typos and some formatting and then quit intellij, why do i have to procrastinate...
i keep abandonning projects and this mishmash of ideas u had could be decent
ocean quartz
And that's the beginning of the "projects" folder that definitely doesn't have over 100 sub folders 
prisma wave
tree | idkwhatgoesher
brittle leaf
atleast im not the only one 😅
agile galleon
105
distant sun
@old wyvern how do you even compile the js expansion?
import org.openjdk.nashorn.api.scripting.NashornScriptEngineFactory;
^
bad class file: C:\Users\dumit\Programming\Minecraft\Forks\PAPI-Javascript-Expansion\evaluator\libs\nashorn-core-15.4.jar(org/openjdk/nashorn/api/scripting/NashornScriptEngineFactory.class)
class file has wrong version 55.0, should be 52.0
Please remove or make sure it appears in the correct subdirectory of the classpath.```
😬
ruby dew
just teach it to be good
distant sun
nvm fixed I think File | Settings | Build, Execution, Deployment | Build Tools | Gradle Gradle JVM
agile galleon
<@521485088995672084>
**How to create a FREE Lifetime Oracle VPS**
*last update...
im kind of hesitant because dis
half harness
https://upload.skyslycer.de/firefox_nQWgb99nBI.png
that's if you go over the limit
Use https://www.oracle.com/cloud/costestimator.html -> Compute VM (Make sure to press Apply 200GB Free Tier Discount in Storage - Block Volumes) to be sure that you're not going over
half harness
remember that it's not per-VPS, it's the entire account
agile galleon
100 bucks a month lol
half harness
¯_(ツ)_/¯
agile galleon
nvm
agile galleon
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
another quick question
ive seen people getting charged for a few cents
where does that come from?
like if you only have 200gb free storage
and you set your vm to 200gb
how do you go over it?
@half harness
half harness
ive seen people getting charged for a few cents
I'm not sure - I don't think you even can without upgrading your account to Paid
use cost estimator to be sure
agile galleon
I'm not sure - I don't think you even can without upgrading your account to Paid
so what limits do i have to "meet"
half harness
200GB storage limit, and there are OCPU and memory GB hours and so the highest you can go safely is 4 OCPUs and 24GB memory
agile galleon
agile galleon
200GB storage limit, and there are OCPU and memory GB hours and so the highest y...
okay cool 👍
half harness
yeah, I wouldn't go full 200gb though
since you can't downgrade the storage so if you want some AMD VMs you can't
agile galleon
but amd vms cost, right?
half harness
no, there are 4 free 1 ocpu and 1gb memory i think
less bandwidth too
but the storage is shared I'm pretty sure
agile galleon
oh it is?
half harness
I don't use the amd cpus though
so I'm not 100% sure on this
I've used it once and deleted it because the lack of bandwidth
agile galleon
thank you very much
ionic gust
@half harness i got a 2 TB hard drive for christmas 
ionic gust
when did that happen
ionic gust
...
ionic gust
huh I can't find the message
dementia?
prisma wave
yes lmao
ionic gust
bruh
prisma wave
np
ionic gust
https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S1T0B/dp/B07MFZXR1B?th=1
i got a much much cheaper one 💀
ionic gust
half harness
🤮
ionic gust
😭
ionic gust
:(
ionic gust
should i trade it out for a 1 TB ssd?
obtuse gale
it depends on the usb version 🤓
half harness
yeah
half harness
should i trade it out for a 1 TB ssd?
pricey but above is $340 off
or you can get 1tb for $90
why is 2tb $500
but 1 tb is $100
doesn't make sense
agile galleon
depends on the usecase too
half harness
https://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-SA510-Internal-Solid/dp/B09ZYQ84CM
this is the best deal i could find on amazon
but its internal
dense dew
it depends on the usb version 🤓
NVMe USB 😮 🔥 🔥 🚀
ionic gust
prisma wave
if you dont actually need the speed just save ur money and get a bigger hdd
half harness
ye feel free to get the 2tb hdd if you'd like
prisma wave
big numbers are nice and all but pointless a lot of the time
ionic gust
if you dont actually need the speed just save ur money and get a bigger hdd
more worried about the failure
prisma wave
dkim is exaggerating a bit
prisma wave
yeah
as long as you dont play basketball with it or something
it'll probably be fine
for a long time
half harness
i heard it makes for some good games
prisma wave
i bet
ionic gust
im getting https://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-Portable-SSD-1TB-MU-PC1T0T/dp/B0874XN4D8 (but on newegg cause cheaper)
ionic gust
oh whats the newegg price
$80
half harness
o
ionic gust
2 TB is $180 on newegg
ionic gust
ionic gust
its supposed to be samsung tho
newegg redirects to something called whcl
half harness
https://www.newegg.com/crucial-x6-1tb/p/N82E16820156275
@ionic gust wb this
for $80
oh nvm
ionic gust
yea but like wth is crucial
half harness
that's only $10 difference
half harness
crucial is pretty big iirc (although I think more for RAM?)
but samsung is bigger
yeah
ionic gust
how big is samsung?
samsung is HUGEEEE
static zealot
🫢
ionic gust
they are so big
samsung phones r also big u probs wouldnt be able to fit them in ur pants
static zealot
Hmm. I've heard that samsung phones explode early tho.
static zealot
I don't. But my opinion shouldn't matter here as I have no idea what you guys are agreeing on.
Their marketing makes me not want to ever buy that product
prisma wave
Hmm. I've heard that samsung phones explode early tho.
that hasnt been true for years lmao
static zealot
They've used some clips from youtubers that are clearly sponsored
prisma wave
and samsung is generally the most trusted company in the ssd market
ionic gust
They've used some clips from youtubers that are clearly sponsored
mrwhosetheboss
ionic gust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfM0GqsIB6c
i beat u to it
ionic gust
This guy that is a british guy says otherwise
"this guy that is a british guy"
ionic gust
you just said a random youtuber's name
no i didnt omg
half harness
static zealot
and you replied to the wrong message
half harness
cmon amazon
ionic gust
and you replied to the wrong message
idc im still right
static zealot
https://streamable.com/s0u1g0
Hmm?
prisma wave
"galaxy note 8"
"Released 2017"
prisma wave
it was the note 7 and 8 that had the battery problems
ionic gust
forces me to Sort by Featured
L
frail glade
Anyone here worked with AI model training?
static zealot
I personally don't care. I am not going with Samsung or Xiaomi again. At least not very soon.
half harness
@ionic gust
ionic gust
amazon is so slow
static zealot
ionic gust
https://www.amazon.com/XUnion-External-Interface-Portable-Capability/dp/B0B52BG7...
YOOOOOOO
ionic gust
wow so many savings https://srnyx-needs.to-sleep.xyz/chrome_C4JuABzB72.png
half harness
jeeez
lol
Ultra Speed External Ssd,2.5 Inch Usb 3.0 Interface Ssd,160Gb Portable &Amp; Large Capability Mobile Solid State Drive For Laptops Desktopfeature:The Ssd Is The Perfect Solution For A Mainstream Solid State Drive (Ssd) Upgrade From A Hard Disk Drive
ionic gust
samsung would never have such great deals
static zealot
I personally don't care. I am not going with Samsung or Xiaomi again. At least n...
I had a Samsung for 2 years and for like a year I couldn't use it bcz it would always break and I had to keep sending it to the repair shop. That did end up with a somewhat nice output as well tho. I got all my money back for it after 2 years, days before my warranty was about to expire because they got tired of fixing it but I also had to go months without a phone or with a trash phone I barely could open.
static zealot
Now I have a xiaomi and MIUI just sucks. At least MIUI 12. So many bugs, laggy, etc.
half harness
is MIUI a xiaomi model?
static zealot
no
half harness
oh
half harness
ohh
static zealot
like samsung's one ui or whatever it is called
half harness
OneUI 5 😌
prisma wave
FiveUI 1 😌
static zealot
ionic gust
what.
static zealot
just the usual tom scott videos 🤣
eternal compass
Anyone here ever colocated a dedicated server?
I found some deals on dedicated servers that are insane, and exactly what I need for some projects, but I'm wondering how much stuff like this costs on average
(All the data centers want me to call for pricing)
And most seem to only sell full or half racks, but I just need like 2U, not a 46U full rack
And the one datacenter with listed prices costs more for 1u than a similarly specc'd entire server
quiet depot
it's usually pretty darn expensive
on par with renting a server
then again I live in australia where everything internet related is trash and overpriced
eternal compass
yeah, I've basically found out it's not worth it for a server like I want to host
which is unfortunate
since I need lots of decent cores, and lots of memory, which is really easy to buy
as in, I have found multiple that would work for under $100
but it'd be like $50/m to colo it, and I don't really have somewhere else to host it
cinder flare
why do you need colocation anyways?
i buy 3 dedis from OVH in the same datacenter and they're close enough for my needs
eternal compass
why do you need colocation anyways?
I thought it would be cheaper
turns out, it's not
eternal compass
like what benefits does it even bring?
I wanted to do it soley because I thought it was cheaper, but ig it turns it out it is not much cheaper
cinder flare
it is much more expensive actually lol
eternal compass
Yup
I thought owning hardware would make it cheaper in the long run, but it's definitely not lol
cinder flare
oh yeah, you can just rent a server from OVH for like $80 a month
would take years to pay off
rare inlet
Hey guys
I have a friend who has trouble logging in
Can anyone help me out
When he tries to log in it says 'new login location detected, please check your email'
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static zealot
@rare inlet read above please. 
eternal compass
oh yeah, you can just rent a server from OVH for like $80 a month
Right. my issue is that $80/month is not nothing lol
and it's not the buying the hardware, it's that it's barely cheaper to colocate it then it is to rent the entire server elsewhere
cinder flare
Right. my issue is that $80/month is not nothing lol
$80 a month is not nothing, but hundreds or possibly thousands of dollars up front is?
eternal compass
For the server I want to host on it, some really cheap 6+ year old used Dedis actually make perfect sense
and I can get ones for under $100 that are the perfect specs
since my goal is to pack as many low-performance servers as I can into one node
frail glade
I'm quite interested in trying to route where you self host stuff but route everything through Cloudflare Tunnels.
eternal compass
That was one route I was looking into, but my home internet is totally unbalanced (400+ mbps up, only 7 down)
frail glade
Yeah that's the thing is you gotta have reliable internet
eternal compass
Mhm. and sadly fios isn't available where I am
since it would actually be perfect, I would only need to run one tunnel for one port
and everything else would be local
wind patio
looking for opinions about pc building
is i3-7100 to i3-12100 a decent budget upgrade? or should I save up for i5 or i7?
wind patio
yeah, but I need to swap out the mobo as well
lga1151 != lga1700
and I live in a non-amazon country
12600 from my local store is 330 €
cinder flare
you would have to swap out the mobo for the 12100 as well
all 12 series are lga1700
ocean quartz
Tbh even upgrading to a 12400 instead would already be a better upgrade
50eur more than 12100, and same socket anyways
half harness
nevermind im just backing up only like 30gb or so lol
my internet speed and the ssd/cpu speed is bottlenecking the backing up process 🥲
wind patio
you would have to swap out the mobo for the 12100 as well
yeah, I know, by that I meant I need to spend another 100+ bobux on a mobo, hence even tighter budget for me
ocean quartz
1.9 has some cool stuff planned
wind patio
K 🤢 tlin
ocean quartz
Oh interesting, until operator was moved to 1.9 instead of 1.8
I guess it's experimental api now
1.8.20 has some exciting features too
Preview of Enum.entries: modern and performant replacement for Enum.values()
eternal compass
Lol
ocean quartz
And 1.9
Generate all Kotlin lambdas via invokedynamic + LambdaMetafactory by default
ocean quartz
No just copied the wrong thing
eternal compass
What's the difference between entries and values
half harness
Oh interesting, until operator was moved to 1.9 instead of 1.8
Wait is there a range operator yet
Or is that not a thing
ocean quartz
What's the difference between entries and values
It's a replacement for Java's "values()" that is better performant
eternal compass
Ah, but it returns the same thing, just calculated beforehand?
obtuse gale
Hello!
half harness
Hola
ocean quartz
Oh I thought that was added in 1.7
Preview in 1.7, experimental in 1.8, release in 1.9
half harness
Cómo estás?
half harness
Preview in 1.7, experimental in 1.8, release in 1.9
Ohhhh
I hate how you have to add annotations and stuff for that
frozen raven
everytime i try to buy nitro it says i cant when it literally worked the other day and i’m losing my mind
half harness
everytime i try to buy nitro it says i cant when it literally worked the other d...
#off-topic this isn't discord support btw
half harness
How exactly do tiers work?
Level 11 above is tier 2,level 22 above is tier 3,etc
21
Not 22
obtuse gale
Level 11 above is tier 2,level 22 above is tier 3,etc
Where exactly am I supposed to see my level?
ocean quartz
Ah, but it returns the same thing, just calculated beforehand?
Can't really explain exactly but I'll quote
Problem statement
Enum.values() has two major pitfalls:
- It allocates and clones an array on each invocation, making it a common source of performance bugs
- It returns Array<E> which is mutable by default and is less flexible to work with than any collection
Proposed change
- Softly deprecate (e.g. on a tooling level) Enum.values()
- Introduce auto-generated property with the name val entries: EnumEntries<E> that returns a cached instance of a read-only list of all enum entries
- Optimize internal implementation by reusing internal storage for entries that has to be available for Java interoperability and backwards compatibility
half harness
Be quiet barry
obtuse gale
Oh, thanks!
frozen raven
<#164523548390457355> this isn't discord support btw
?
potent nest
Ah, but it returns the same thing, just calculated beforehand?
the problem with values() is that arrays are mutable, so it has to be copied from an internal instance every time
half harness
This isn't discord support
So off topic is the best channel if you want to ask here
ocean quartz
Ohhhh
I hate how you have to add annotations and stuff for that
You can disable that btw
ocean quartz
Yeah
half harness
Would that disable IJ warning too?
ocean quartz
Yeah, it allows you to use it like it's release
half harness
Oh nice
obtuse gale
the problem with values() is that arrays are mutable, so it has to be copied fro...
okay fix it
potent nest
no
obtuse gale
okay
vocal rose
Hi ! DeluxeMenus compatible for custom gui ?
ruby dew
hey guys my acc is hacked
i friended someone random without me knowing it
that guy doesnt have any mutual servers or friends with me
cedar marsh
Hey, can someone help me? I need a skript to get the entity a player is looking at... Not only when the player is near the entity... ( I don't know how to use vectors)
ocean quartz
hey guys my acc is hacked
If you still have access to it change all your credentials
ruby dew
If you still have access to it change all your credentials
I do
just some random guy that alleged i sent him friend request
and said like i friended him 20 mins ago
but he seems to be trolling, saying that he and his friend developed beef tool
and his friend worked at discord security team
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ruby dew
yeah i know bro i have been in this server longer than you lol
just
i want some quick help not some lengthy applications and stuffs
and you guys are probably the best option ive got right now
brittle leaf
yeah i know bro i have been in this server longer than you lol
then it would be an #off-topic thing right?
ruby dew
whatever man
distant sun
I know that packet entities don't exist on the server side, but is somehow possible to fire an event like EntityDeathEvent for one?
inner umbra
I know that packet entities don't exist on the server side, but is somehow possi...
I'm not looking at the code right now but I am pretty sure it just requires the entityid
distant sun
No, it requires a LivingEntity
half harness
I mean LivingEntity is an interface
so you can just implement it
there's gonna be a lot of methods tho 🥲
prisma wave
that does not seem like a good idea
solemn laurel
im sure you can send a "packet death" rather than firing an server-side event
or make your own custom death event instead of re-implementing livingentity xD
obtuse gale
im sure you can send a "packet death" rather than firing an server-side event
they are two parallel things, dispatching an event doesn't send any packets, e.g. dispatching a BlockBreakEvent won't actually break a block (nor send any packets about it "being broken")
distant sun
I need an event to let the server know that an entity died, but I don't think that will work because if I pass a null entity to the event, it will break the other plugins
obtuse gale
to let the server know or to let other plugins know?
because the server doesn't give two shits about events it itself doesn't dispatch
solemn laurel
doesn't the server already knows that the entity is dead? or else what would be used to invoke the event
obtuse gale
thing is the entity never existed to begin with
distant sun
to let the server know or to let other plugins know?
Other plugins
obtuse gale
not on the server at least
distant sun
I need an event to let the server know that an entity died, but I don't think th...
I meant to say "the other plugins" ups
solemn laurel
(im assuming these are other plugins not made by you)
obtuse gale
you're gonna have a fun time implementing the entity interface
distant sun
solemn laurel
(im assuming these are other plugins *not* made by you)
is that right, or are you making the other plugins too
distant sun
I was thinking about something like client side spawners, to lower the pressure created by many entities on the server, but I guess thats easier said that done
distant sun
is that right, or are you making the other plugins too
Ah, yes, I'm talking about other public plugins
solemn laurel
ah thats too bad
distant sun
Yeah
potent nest
thing is the entity never existed to begin with
So are there non-existent entities? (=non-existent entities exist)
distant sun
Collections.unmodifiableList(arrayList) the closest you can get is this ma'am
distant sun
But? 😮
obtuse gale
it would be a massive win for the jvm as a whole
potent nest
I’d really love if they push for that a bit faster
distant sun
Too much text, but sounds nice!
obtuse gale
understandable
earnest narwhal
Hey, could someone help me out with PAPI? I developed an extension yet when I /papi parse it, it does not work. Do I use this channel?
prisma wave
dkim moment
distant sun
I wonder if this will be implemented in the normal arrays Type[], or trough a class
obtuse gale
frozen arrays could be done on regular array types, but this read-only view would need to be some kind of hidden subclass maybe?
tranquil crane
how does everyone feel about the API pattern that Bukkit uses with the separate Bukkit/craft classes, and would it be worth implementing a similar system in my own plugin I'm wanting to make a more stricted API for? I'm just having a hard time coming up with a prefix that doesn't suck for the implementation classes
obtuse gale
I like LuckPerms design
Not to mention that the actual API is far nicer than Bukkit's lmao
Its API implementations are prefixed with Api I think? ApiUser, ApiGroup and a very long list of etcs
okay it's not that long i lied
tranquil crane
I'll take a look at that too. I'm trying to adapt it from the existing system so it doesn't break backwards compatibility, but as it's a major version update I wouldn't mind breaking things for a better overall structure
obtuse gale
But that works for LuckPerms because the API implementation is separate from the "working bits"?
Like an ApiUser is not the actual User LP uses internally
tranquil crane
I'm working on separating out everything so it works the same as that
Sounds like LP uses the same design pattern Bukkit does but puts API in front instead of having Craft in front of the implementation
obtuse gale
I mean as far as the naming goes sure
tranquil crane
I've been getting really into design patterns the past couple weeks and it's making me want to redesign so many things
agile galleon
yeah ive seperated my api from the actual plugin too
i just named the interfaces ISomething
and left the other classes as is
obtuse gale
I'll take a look at that too. I'm trying to adapt it from the existing system so...
Just a heads up, simply recompiling what used to be a class into an interface already is an incompatible change for those who call methods on those classes
tranquil crane
Just a heads up, simply recompiling what used to be a `class` into an `interface...
Is it? Even if the method signatures are effectively the same?
tranquil crane
huh. alrighty then entire restructure it is
Does the LP API even reference Bukkit at all
obtuse gale
nope
tranquil crane
That's wild
obtuse gale
it's entirely platform independent
it doesn't even need a minecraft server (or proxy) to exist
tranquil crane
I don't anticipate needing to have this be cross platform so I'll probably have it still depend on Bukkit so it doesn't have to get too crazy independent
thanks for the inputs
obtuse gale
ocean quartz
i just named the interfaces `ISomething`
I always hated that
Good video on the topic
agile galleon
I always hated that
its short, convenient (cause Interface) and doesn't interferere
obtuse gale
it's ugly
half harness
ewwwww
ocean quartz
Very
obtuse gale
just name things what they are
ocean quartz
I also use "base" and "abstract" quite often, but slowly trying to stop
agile galleon
just name things what they are
they are the interface of something
half harness
// how to use my awesome api
IUser user = IAPI.getUser(player);
IGame game = IAPI.getGameOfUser(user);
ITeam team = game.getTeamOfPlayer(user);
🤢
🤮
obtuse gale
they are the interface of something
That is bad thinking
agile galleon
that is the truth
obtuse gale
It's not to be thought as "the interface of something"
half harness
interface should be the most readable parts of the API
imo
not be messed up with a prefix "I"
obtuse gale
An interface is a contract, something that an implementation you should not care about is to abide
half harness
like how CraftWorld is internal, but World is the API
obtuse gale
Not something a user is to think "oh I am working with an implementation of this interface"
half harness
I see people doing "I" as in "implementation" though
obtuse gale
"I'm working with a list", not "I'm working with an implementation of a list"
half harness
which is acceptable but imo there are better alternatives
ocean quartz
Imagine the jdk using "IList", "IMap"
obtuse gale
C#: 
agile galleon
what should i name it then?
ocean quartz
obtuse gale
IEnumerable moment
obtuse gale
what should i name it then?
Just name the things what they are
Something
not ISomething
remote goblet
i hate you barry that was funny
agile galleon
wow poggies
half harness
Permission
obtuse gale
I am working with Something
agile galleon
i know
half harness
oh you mean for internal use?
obtuse gale
If it's to have a single implementation here are some suggestions: SomethingImpl, SimpleSomething, BasicSomething, DefaultSomething
ocean quartz
ITeam & Team -> Team & BlueTeam
For example
half harness
I use SomethingImpl
agile galleon
what if Team is a config abstraction?
obtuse gale
I also use "base" and "abstract" quite often, but slowly trying to stop
For abstract classes with many subclasses, Base is understandable
prisma wave
I will personally fistfight anyone that uses the "I" prefix for interfaces
obtuse gale
what if Team is a config abstraction?
what does that even mean
agile galleon
i have actually no idea
i was reading like three messages simoultaneosly and combined it into a message
but tbh id find it annoying to work with SomethingImpl like always
half harness
what does that even mean
ok i think this is what they mean:
What if they have an internal class for "User"
they don't want to use "UserImpl" everywhere in their code
prisma wave
i just named the interfaces `ISomething`
prepare to catch these hands
half harness
prepare to catch these hands
IHands
agile galleon
ok i think this is what they mean:
What if they have an internal class for "User...
^ its longer
obtuse gale
but tbh id find it annoying to work with SomethingImpl like always
as an api user or an implementer?
agile galleon
and i added the api later
agile galleon
as an api user or an implementer?
you didnt want my api to have a pre or suffix, so what should i call my internals?
obtuse gale
If it's to have a single implementation here are some suggestions: SomethingImpl...
_ _
What you name your internals is nothing that concerns the API user
prisma wave
True
obtuse gale
But polluting the API land with something that is simply unneeded is, well, polluting for no reason
It's like all the exceptions ending with "Exception"
That's dumb
agile galleon
What you name your internals is nothing that concerns the API user
but me?
there are probably less people using the api than mainting the core
obtuse gale
I think we're seeing how we make APIs from different perspectives
agile galleon
yeah
prisma wave
If you're going to add "I" as a prefix for interfaces you should also add "C" and "E" as prefixes - CJavaPlugin EMaterial
obtuse gale
I like making APIs from the POV of the one who uses it
I want to make my API nice and pleasant to use
half harness
@agile galleon
here's what I do ```
BedwarsGameAPI
BedwarsGameAPIImpl
BedwarsGame
what the fuck
prisma wave
API as a suffix also sucks
obtuse gale
BedwarsGameAPIImpl moment
obtuse gale
yeah
half harness
its to prevent duplicate names
the impl and bedwarsgame have different stuff
ocean quartz
<@650070407503937536>
here's what I do ```
BedwarsGameAPI
BedwarsGameAPIImpl
Be...
Nasty
agile galleon
it is bad like ISomething
so you posted your method, got shitted at, and are now comparing it to another shitty one
half harness
uh huh
half harness
i feel you brotha
i just didn't want to use Impl everywhere
and no one uses my plugin/api anyways 🙃
agile galleon
exhibit a:
prisma wave
i just didn't want to use Impl everywhere
*and no one uses my plugin/api anyw...
I would use it if it didn't have API at the end of the name
agile galleon
API RandomPlugin
Internals ?
half harness
what if I already had all my code but without the API
and didn't want to rename a bunch of classes
and modify like 100 files from the refactoring
what do i name the api stuff
agile galleon
and didn't want to rename a bunch of classes
right click -> refactor -> rename
half harness
and modify like 100 files from the refactoring
yes
that doesn't affect git tho
but im just saying
ocean quartz
API `RandomPlugin`
Internals ?
What exactly would the internals do?
prisma wave
API `RandomPlugin`
Internals ?
Having Plugin in an api name sounds odd
half harness
ex BedwarsGame
prisma wave
Yeah context needed
agile galleon
context bukkit ig?
prisma wave
that gives literally zero information
half harness
ex `BedwarsGame`
wb this example
agile galleon
yeah youre right
basically just a connection between some stuff, with some configuration getters, handler getters (messages, actions) etc
prisma wave
ex `BedwarsGame`
Game & BedwarsGame
Unless you have multiple game types having Bedwars as a prefix adds nothing
agile galleon
id love to send an example but id get shamed more than i could handle here soooo
half harness
ah and name everything internal Bedwars**?
ig that's what craftbukkit does
ocean quartz
API -> BedwarsGame
Internals -> SinglesBedwarsGame, DuosBedwarsGame, SimpleBedwarsGame, etc
agile galleon
i think my names suck because i made the api after i made the plugin
right click -> refactor -> extract interface
half harness
But yeah the cb approach isn't bad
@agile galleon
I'd just do this
this seems like the best way
prisma wave
it's the least bad
ocean quartz
"best"
obtuse gale
There is a difference in naming needed between interfaces with a known single implementation vs interfaces where multiple implementations exist
half harness
API -> BedwarsGame
Internals -> SinglesBedwarsGame, DuosBedwarsGame, SimpleBedwa...
since Singles/Duos/Simple won't work since that's a misleading name
unless you call 841 lines simple
🥲
agile galleon
the issue i have with naming the api Game is interference with other plugin apis
half harness
in this case likely single impl
half harness
ok this is like a year old
ocean quartz
since Singles/Duos/Simple won't work since that's a misleading name
I mean you didn't specify how the games were, you just gave us names
agile galleon
i could never
half harness
I mean you didn't specify how the games were, you just gave us names
yea fair
but i'm saying for my case those names wouldn't work
agile galleon
exhibit A (again cause nobody answered):
api AdvancedSomething
internals ?
the class is a bukkit plugin containing basic getters to access configuration and different features
half harness
what is AdvancedSomething
obtuse gale
Please give an actual scenario
agile galleon
read 4th line
obtuse gale
Actual names
agile galleon
alrighty
half harness
and ur plugin name
agile galleon
interfaces can sign contracts? /j
prisma wave
What about CartesianLikeBedwarsGame.Mu
agile galleon
the special connection between impl and interface, right?
obtuse gale
CocartesianLike my beloved
agile galleon
the mental connection
prisma wave
If your API doesn't have support for ProfunctorFunctorWrappers you're wasting your time
prisma wave
the special connection between impl and interface, right?
Doesn't have to be with an interface, just the constraints that the method guarantees to follow
agile galleon
Exhibit A (revision 3):
The class we are exhibiting today is the plugin class of a plugin called MegaPee, which enables the minecraft players to have an actual sense of when their character has to pee.
This class contains overrides functions like: onEnable, onLoad and onDisable which shouldnt be able to be accessed from outer space (api users).
On the other hand, it has getters for variables like peeLevelHandler or something, which is another class containing methods to set the pee level for players by using PDC.
Another getter is a getter for the messageHandler containing useful methods for getting the message keys from a property bundle, parsing them and finally sending them to a player.
What would you call the interfaces for the handlers and the plugin class, and what would you call the internal versions of them.
Note: all of those only have a single implementation.
half harness
im gonna completely ignore the name of the plugin
half harness
you shouldn't be making the interface a Plugin though
it should just be PluginNameAPI or something similar
agile galleon
the impl is the plugin
half harness
i might be wrong but i don't think that's good
agile galleon
?
half harness
i might be wrong but i don't think that's good
or it might be fine
idk emily what are your thoughts
i dont want to give false info
agile galleon
how are you supposed to access the rest of the plugin if the only accessible class through bukkit doesnt have any api?
obtuse gale
i'm trying to take that wall of text dkim thank you very much
half harness
what
prisma wave
it should just be PluginNameAPI or something similar
DKIM
agile galleon
or are you thinking of static instances?
prisma wave
Nobody's perfect
obtuse gale
No it doesn't lmao
remote goblet
I am 
obtuse gale
the public api is just LuckPerms
half harness
im talking about LuckPerms.getAPI()
or wait that calls the bukkit services thing right
obtuse gale
no
half harness
or smth like that
obtuse gale
also no
prisma wave
I am <:CB_strong:816248332245925929>
half harness
yes thats what i meant
thats what i do for bedwars too
BedwarsAPIProvider.getAPI()
or smth
agile galleon
people excuse me for my not child friendly language (not), but i wrote a fucking essay and youre talking about luckperms again
agile galleon
how many revisions of exhibit a do you want
obtuse gale
people excuse me for my not child friendly language (not), but i wrote a fucking...
DKIM is being a nuisance
half harness
sorry
obtuse gale
DKIM shut up
half harness
Ok
remote goblet
i just got my rtx 3070 installed, im testing shit man
half harness
why are you saying DKIM
agile galleon
you got into queue?
remote goblet
we're juicing
remote goblet
300-400 fps juicing
prisma wave
shame it's overwatch
half harness
overwatch bad
prisma wave
DKIM shut up
agile galleon
please get yo into something like #off-topic or something
remote goblet
no
agile galleon
yes
remote goblet
we're gonna switch topics
agile galleon
change channel name then
remote goblet
go back to your IPlugin ass
prisma wave
Can we get thread permissions already @admin
agile galleon
yes
half harness
do what luckperms does
remote goblet
the I prefix user is trying to speak
half harness
CoolPluginProvider.get()
ocean quartz
Exhibit A (revision 3):
The class we are exhibiting today is the plugin class of...
First, don't expose the things from plugin like that, your API should be designed in a way that it doesn't depend on the plugin instance to be exposed, only the functionality
MegaPeePlugin -> MegaPee (this is the interface, aka the api)
If you have multiple level handlers you can either make it generic so LevelHandler<Pee> or just keep it as LevelHandler and make the specific implementation PeeLevelHandler
A MessageHandler can have the implementation of DefaultMessageHandler or YamlMessageHandler if it's coming from a config, etc
agile galleon
oh i like it
ive never looked at abstraction from the abstraction standpoint actually
obtuse gale
yeah what matt said
agile galleon
ya
prisma wave
Mega Pee Plugin
ocean quartz
We work with what we are given 😔
obtuse gale
ive never looked at abstraction from the abstraction standpoint actually
this is actually very interesting
agile galleon
so you could rename the api of LevelHandler to maybe PDCValueHandler or something?
obtuse gale
well no
ocean quartz
PeeDC
obtuse gale
what if tomorrow you add sql support?
agile galleon
oh damn
obtuse gale
zuppirt
agile galleon
but with level im strictly constraining it to levels?