development

[river solstice]

java {
toolchain.languageVersion.set(JavaLanguageVersion.of(21))
}

[dark garnet]

thats done in setupAnnoyingAPI with the JavaVersion.VERSION_21 parameter

but i added it by itself anyways

and still didnt work

[river solstice]

try adding that anyways?

[dark garnet]

ye i did

but still didnt work

[river solstice]

weird, no idea then

invalidate caches maybe

[dark garnet]

i did and deleted all gradle caches

i have no idea where its even getting 17

[river solstice]

whats ur gradle wrapper version

[dark garnet]

8.12

[river solstice]

and whats env var JAVA_HOME set to

[dark garnet]

------------------------------------------------------------
Gradle 8.12
------------------------------------------------------------

Build time:    2024-12-20 15:46:53 UTC
Revision:      a3cacb207fec727859be9354c1937da2e59004c1

Kotlin:        2.0.21
Groovy:        3.0.22
Ant:           Apache Ant(TM) version 1.10.15 compiled on August 25 2024
Launcher JVM:  21.0.2 (GraalVM Community 21.0.2+13-jvmci-23.1-b30)
Daemon JVM:    C:\Program Files\Java\GraalVM 21 (no JDK specified, using current Java home)
OS:            Windows 11 10.0 amd64

[dark garnet]

GraalVM 21

[river solstice]

echo %java_home% if on windows

[dark garnet]

changed to regular Java 21, still didnt work

[dark garnet]

C:\Program Files\Java\Java 21

[river solstice]

damn ur project ir cursed or smt

[dark garnet]

😭

[river solstice]

uh, try going
Settings >
Build, Execution, Deployment >
Build Tools >
Gradle

[dark garnet]

ye i did, i set to project sdk

[river solstice]

💀

[dark garnet]

but its also not working in cmd prompt so its not an issue with intellij

[river solstice]

thats very odd, out of ideas tbh

[dark garnet]

ok ok

its because of my custom paper function

i think

[river solstice]

which is?

[dark garnet]

o.m.g.

[river solstice]

thats a classic ig

[dark garnet]

😃😃

[river solstice]

I was about to say you could explicitly set javac in build.gradle

compileJava.options.fork = true
compileJava.options.forkOptions.executable = '/path_to_javac'

tho not sure if that would even help

[dark garnet]

😄

🙂

[river solstice]

lol

[dark garnet]

patch isnt 5+ 😭

[river solstice]

congrats, u found a bug

🐛

[proud pebble]

wouldnt 1.21 just return java 8?

[dark garnet]

nah 21 > 18

so it passes the 1.18 check for java 17

ok to check so this doesnt happen again
this is correct, right?

if (version.minor > 20 || (version.minor == 20 && version.patch >= 5)) return JavaVersion.VERSION_21

[proud pebble]

looks right

[dark garnet]

ok imma just account for minecraft 2.x.x while im here 🤣

gonna assume it runs on java 21

[proud pebble]

i have a feeling that itll never go past 1.x

[river solstice]

never gonna happen

lol

[dark garnet]

well

what about in the next 100 years

it might

[river solstice]

we will all be dead by then

[dark garnet]

my code wont be 🤞

ai will surely need it

[river solstice]

if earth doesn't exist then your code wont either

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-gif-22193977

[dark garnet]

unless we become an inter-planetary species

[river solstice]

maybe in 200 years

[dark garnet]

yeah!

oh

[neon pewter]

if we dont destroy earth in the process that is

[hoary scarab]

Anyone make use of Java22 Class File API?

[graceful hedge]

Yea I touched it

[hoary scarab]

Any example usage?
How does it compare to external libs?

[graceful hedge]

1. I think they had some good examples on their JEP page
2. No clue, that was the first class file api I touched

Used the one from second preview btw

[minor summit]

it's pretty nice

it comes as stable in 24

[hoary scarab]

Still not seeing how to just change strings though. Looks like you can manipulate everything else.

[minor summit]

i guess you can find all ldc that point to a string you want and change them to ldc another string you want

and then do the same for constant fields and annotations

last i checked it didn't let you arbitrarily change the CP

[hoary scarab]

I'm basically mimicking placeholders like spigot.

Just trying to modify the strings

[minor summit]

lol yeah spigot does it the lazy way ^ given that

Also keep in mind that the placeholders will not work when declared inside a "static final" field

[misty light]

bump

[dense drift]

override getPlaceholderList

[misty light]

Do you have an example? Or what class is getPlaceholderList? Not finding the right one to override. and I'm looking through various repos like the Player one and I'm not finding any trace of getPlaceholderList

[slim vortex]

Got a question that AI seems to be stuck on. I want to write a local desktop app using: frontend in React/electron, backend in Java. How can I get them to coordinate the port to communicate on and avoid clashes with already bound ports?

[ancient nacelle]

hey, i was trying to get shulkers to scale to 16x size with the scale attribute, but apparently its hard locked at 3. is that something that can be changed server side? do we know?

plugins, i mean

[worn jasper]

is your plugin the only plugin present?

Uh

can you show more logs than just that

lol

and the code for your gui

[dusky harness]

you need to add api-version to your plugin.yml

ex ```yml
api-version: 1.21

[worn jasper]

I'd assume he already had that

xD

if not uh

welp

[vast sundial]

Hello i'm creating plugin for prison and i made an custom pickaxe item but its breaking blocks weirdly and i've tried alot of things, and i was not able to fix it so i need your help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO3OTiSclH8

there's the bug

there's the code
https://paste.helpch.at/ruvasequzu.java

can anyone help me please?

[vast sundial]

So what's your issue

[viscid veldt]

alright

so

im using intellji community edition, and the minecraft development plugin

for some reason, I can't build the plugin

[vast sundial]

Yeah I use it too

[viscid veldt]

the run button says "The file in the editor is not runnable"

[vast sundial]

I think I know what ur on

[viscid veldt]

I hope you do

[vast sundial]

U use maven or Gradle to build?

[viscid veldt]

both dont work

[vast sundial]

Ohh

So u can't click run button yeah?

[viscid veldt]

yea

[vast sundial]

I watched plugin tutorials

And there was something to do

Lemme check real quick

[vast sundial]

I found it

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxzwpbWJCCdGo8n9FYoUCGdZkGYIe332dg?si=Yso-0e64SW2YHqgu

It should work fine

Use maven tho

[viscid veldt]

I love you

[vast sundial]

🫶🥵

[viscid veldt]

❤️

[vast sundial]

Are you good at writing plugins?

Or u just starting like me?

[viscid veldt]

mid

I started like 5 months ago but then I went over and started Luaua

[vast sundial]

Can you help me with my issue now?

[viscid veldt]

whats your issue

[vast sundial]

.

[vast sundial]

Like when I'm 1 block away of block I'm breaking it's working good, but if I'm 2 blocks away from the block I'm breaking the hole is in weird position

[viscid veldt]

I would love to help you but I have no idea man

if I see something that might help I'll try and give it to you

[celest patrol]

Can anyone help me, when I put the placeholder dependency in my plugin this appears:

[WARNING] Failed to download maven-metadata-placeholderapi.xml [https://repo.extendedclip.com/releases/]
[WARNING] Failed to download maven-metadata-placeholderapi.xml [https://repo.extendedclip.com/releases/]

[vast sundial]

Yk there's something like chatgpt exist nowadays?

The warnings you're seeing indicate that Maven is unable to fetch metadata for the PlaceholderAPI dependency from the repository (https://repo.extendedclip.com/releases/). This could happen if the repository URL is incorrect, down, or if there are connectivity issues. Here's how to troubleshoot and fix the issue:

---

1. Correct PlaceholderAPI Repository

Ensure that your pom.xml includes the correct repository for PlaceholderAPI. Replace it with the following:

<repository>
<id>placeholderapi</id>
<url>https://repo.extendedclip.com/content/repositories/placeholderapi/</url>
</repository>

---

2. Add PlaceholderAPI Dependency

Add the correct PlaceholderAPI dependency in your pom.xml:

<dependency>
<groupId>me.clip</groupId>
<artifactId>placeholderapi</artifactId>
<version>2.11.3</version> <!-- Use the latest version -->
<scope>provided</scope>
</dependency>

---

3. Check Internet Connection

Ensure your internet connection is stable, and Maven can access external repositories.

---

4. Force Maven Update

Sometimes, cached metadata can cause issues. Force Maven to update dependencies:

mvn clean install -U

---

5. Use a Local JAR File

If the online repository is inaccessible, download the PlaceholderAPI JAR manually from SpigotMC or its Maven repository and add it to your project manually:

1. Download the JAR file.

2. Add it to your project in a local libs folder.

3. Update your pom.xml:

<dependency>
<groupId>me.clip</groupId>
<artifactId>placeholderapi</artifactId>
<version>2.11.3</version>
<scope>system</scope>
<systemPath>${project.basedir}/libs/placeholderapi-2.11.3.jar</systemPath>
</dependency>

---

6. Verify Repository URL

Test if the repository URL is accessible via a browser:

Go to https://repo.extendedclip.com/content/repositories/placeholderapi/.

If it doesn't load, the repository might be temporarily down. Wait or use the manual JAR method.

Try these

[celest patrol]

Do you think I haven't already tried? I've already searched everywhere how to fix this.

[dense drift]

@celest patrolhttps://repo.helpch.at/#/

[celest patrol]

thanks

What is this dependency for?

[dense drift]

what?

[vast sundial]

Can you help me too?

[vast sundial]

.

[celest patrol]

I speak Portuguese and I'm using a translator
What does this dependency do?

[vast sundial]

He asks what this website is for

[vast sundial]

I think it's like for pasting the code for us to see

[dense drift]

alternative for the other repo

[vast sundial]

Like pastebin

[celest patrol]

I accidentally said dependency, it's a repository, what does this repository do?

[celest patrol]

ok

[vast sundial]

Or GitHub?

[celest patrol]

I think it worked, I'll test it in Minecraft

didn't work

I think I put the placeholder wrong in the plugin

it's not working

@dense drift

can you help me please

Can anyone help me, I put the right dependency in the plugin but the placeholder doesn't work on the scoreboard

[woeful tundra]

Someone help me, I can't put placeholderapi in my plugin, I've already searched in several places including chatgpt

[vast sundial]

Why ur using multi account lol

[vast sundial]

I don't know how to help u

[vast sundial]

I don't know how to help u

Oh global mute lol

[woeful tundra]

okay

I give up then this placeholder never works

[river solstice]

it works

you are just not doing it right

dont shift the blame when you yourself dont know how to do it

and provide more information rather than "it does not work"

[woeful tundra]

ok

Can we talk in private? I can't send a photo here @river solstice

[neat pier]

Uploading Images

You won't be able to upload images here directly to avoid spam, so please use https://imgur.com/upload or similar service to upload images/screenshots.

[woeful tundra]

I speak Portuguese and I'm using a translator so if I say something wrong...

[river solstice]

I dont help in dms

[woeful tundra]

ok

[vast sundial]

Can you help me also?

[vast sundial]

.

[wheat ether]

hi guys i'm trying to integrate placeholderapi into my plugin and i'm running into errors in pom.xml
Dependency 'me.clip:placeholderapi:2.11.6' not found

[sterile hinge]

did you add the repo

[wheat ether]

i did it

i fix it

thanks

[lyric gyro]

Hey how can I speak to support

[serene oyster]

make a question and wait for someone (who i presume is going to be knowledgeable) to answer

[woeful tundra]

Can someone help me? I can't install PlaceholderAPI as a dependency in my plugin. I've searched in many places, even on the official website, but I can't figure it out.

[worn jasper]

#general-plugins

or wait

uh

wdym

by install

[woeful tundra]

I didn't understand.

I speak Portuguese and I am using a translator.

[dusky harness]

oh

[woeful tundra]

I've been trying to put the placeholder in my plugin for 3 days now.

but I can't do it at all

[dusky harness]

Have you seen https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI/PlaceholderAPI/wiki/Hook-into-PlaceholderAPI already?

[woeful tundra]

yes

[proud pebble]

can you post your code? or a link to the project on github or something

so we can see what youve already done

[coarse abyss]

https://pastebin.com/fnPNVvN4

1eur who solves the issue

[proud pebble]

all i can think is eww to skript

arent 1.12 and below ids hard coded? not sure why giving the id for healing 2 would give anything but

[coarse abyss]

i am 1.8 because of hcf

[proud pebble]

what does your skript result in currently? dm me if you want to

[woeful tundra]

Can someone help me put a placeholder in my plugin? If possible in Portuguese please.

[torn heart]

Wrong channel

[digital temple]

Is there currently a way to communicate with backend servers through Velocity, even if no player is online?

[dense drift]

If you can install something like redis on your server, yes. Plugin messaging requires a player.

[digital temple]

yes, i have redis. But not all users have access to a redis server. Im coding a economy plugin. Whats the best casual methode to synchronize local cache with the database ?

[worn jasper]

Can't you create your own messaging system if you create your own websocket

[worn jasper]

Why are you even caching it?

Might be a bit unneeded

Db queries are fast enough

[dusky harness]

🤨

I'm pretty sure Db queries should be cached
Even if it's redis

[dusky harness]

Or done outside of the main thread

[serene cairn]

You can just use SQL or whatever

Database queries are not tha slow

Just do them async

and use CompletableFutures etc

[dusky harness]

Yeah but some stuff needs to be done same tick

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Although besides that it should still be done outside of the main thread imo

Maybe my wording was confusing so I edited the messages ^

[serene cairn]

Ditch the cache

Database queries take less than a second most of the time

[dense drift]

I know ivan8or made smth https://github.com/Ivan8or/RadioScanner

[dusky harness]

A tick is 0.05s

And servers can have like a hundred plugins

So you don't want to fill that 0.05s up with a network and database request

[dusky harness]

And so a cache is required for some stuff

Especially in events

[worn jasper]

that's why DB queries are not executed on main thread?!

[serene cairn]

just run it async???

never do db/network stuff on main thread???

[dusky harness]

.

[worn jasper]

otherwise, caching is only required in very specific and small cases lol

this is not one

[worn jasper]

will check it out, ty

[dusky harness]

You don't know the specific use case and they asked specifically for sync/caching

[worn jasper]

well they already said it

"economy plugin"

[serene cairn]

caching is pointless

and sync is just database

u dont need fancy stuff

[dusky harness]

But I mean the specific use case
Also I never said caching is required
You guys are essentially saying caching is definitely not the way to go, which is why I said what I said

[dusky harness]

... Ok

[serene cairn]

caching is only good for single server

[worn jasper]

we 100% are not saying (at least I) caching is not the way to go, but simply pointless for a multi server system

unless you go the "microservice" route

and make a rest backend or smt

and handle things via that in all servers

[dusky harness]

"this is not one"

[worn jasper]

where it is required? yes, it is not required

lol

otherwise, db queries take 20-70ms, 100ms at extreme cases maybe, assuming a decently well made DB

storing it in cache for those extra few ms that arent even handled in main thread

might not be worth it

[dusky harness]

Well you don't know that

[worn jasper]

specially since handling caching and cross server stuff, is simply a mess

[serene cairn]

To put it simply: Just use a database and ignore the caching stuff
It's not worth the pain

Caching is harder for multiple servers

I would only use caches for single servers

[worn jasper]

besides, caching is somewhat of a premature optimization

lol

[dusky harness]

Whatever
I'm not going to keep repeating myself so I'll just wait to see when - or if - they elaborate to respond to them directly

[nova grail]

is anyone here good with cheat engine

[vast sundial]

Do I need database for Minecraft server with economy and stats like blocks broken etc?

[digital temple]

I don't use the database directly without caching because third-party plugins use the VaultAPI, and there are no existing async methods. As a result, the main thread freezes whenever a plugin requests a balance or tries to deposit or withdraw something, as they need and wait for the EconomyResponse.
For now, I have implemented a Jedis Pub/Sub system for multi-server communication without the need for a real player (Plugin Message).

• As a bonus, by using Redis, extreme speeds can be achieved, allowing my economy plugin to process a massive number of users within milliseconds without the main thread ever freezing. This also includes better thread safety.
  @serene cairn @worn jasper @dusky harness

[digital temple]

if you have more than one server, of course

[vast sundial]

Only one

Trying to make prison server tho

[digital temple]

you can use SQLite for your single server; if you prefer sql storage

[vast sundial]

Oh u meant like server hosting?

Then idk yet

[digital temple]

i mean if you use a proxy to conenct more than one server to your "network"

[vast sundial]

Yeah that was my first mind

[digital temple]

than you need mysql/maridb as storage

[vast sundial]

Why I need it tho?

[digital temple]

because sqlite is a local file storage system

[vast sundial]

Can't server write this data in plugins or something?

[digital temple]

data in plugins are always temporarily. If you stop your server, all data is lost

[vast sundial]

Ohh

Okay now I get it

[digital temple]

Because this data is stored in the memory, which is a volatile storage.

[vast sundial]

Yh Ik

Also if I can ask which plugin is good for multi currencies

Like I want tokens and money as a virtual currency

But idk what economy plugin to choose

[digital temple]

If you wait few days i release my Economy plugin as Beta 😄
Currently its in Alpha

[vast sundial]

Oh cool

[vast sundial]

Is it all going through vault?

[digital temple]

yep, only the virtual currency is seperated

[vast sundial]

I need like trades with money and tokens inputs

[digital temple]

like a /pay command ?

[vast sundial]

So if vault is supported in like trades plugin then your plugin is supported?

[digital temple]

100% i wrote a dm to you

[vast sundial]

Nah like sign input money and then trade money for item

So there will be no scamming

[digital temple]

sign input also supported

[vast sundial]

U make trade plugin along with economy plugin?

[worn jasper]

vault limitations be like

[digital temple]

na /pay <name> opens a sign where you can enter the amount of money. If you looking for a Trade plugin, you can use Trade System from Spigot

[vast sundial]

Ik right

[digital temple]

yeah also talked to the Towny dev and the new VaultAPI VaultUnlocked

[vast sundial]

But is trade system compatible with your plugin?

[vast sundial]

That's useless /pay nick amount is better imo

[digital temple]

all plugins are compatible with my economy plugin, such as Towny (Fake Player Accounts)

[worn jasper]

appears it requires an extra port

[worn jasper]

ServiceIO is better

[digital temple]

whats that ?

[worn jasper]

and has full compatibility with vault

a plugin

[dense drift]

Ye ofc, how else?

[worn jasper]

plugin messages don't 😦

but fair

[digital temple]

can you send it ?

[vast sundial]

Can anyone review my code and tell me what I can improve in my developing of the plugins that's my 2nd day writing

https://github.com/vRefilv/BlockResetLite

https://github.com/vRefilv/MysticPickaxe

[dense drift]

They require worse, a player 🙂

[worn jasper]

https://hangar.papermc.io/TheNextLvl/ServiceIO

[worn jasper]

some servers are limited by hosts and don't have access to more ports

[dense drift]

Meh

You can buy aditional ports for 1$ or so

[digital temple]

nah, thats not in active development

[dense drift]

You can't have one size fit all

[vast sundial]

It uses vault API?

[worn jasper]

and who told you that?

[digital temple]

1.21.4 latest

[worn jasper]

it isn't Vault, nor a fork, but has conversion from vault and full compatibility, aka any plugins using the vault api will work

[worn jasper]

?

[digital temple]

ah nah wait we are in 1.21.4 or isnt it ?

xd

[worn jasper]

what?

we are....

[vast sundial]

So it's worth getting this over vault?

[worn jasper]

ofc

[digital temple]

these thousands of versions are confusing ...

[vast sundial]

Like is it better in performance or smth?

[worn jasper]

no idea about that but it has a much more modern infrastructure

and api

[digital temple]

but what you mean by better performance ? Its still an interface. So the Economy plugin itselfs contolles the speed/efficency

[vast sundial]

Ohh

[digital temple]

i mean @worn jasper

[worn jasper]

yeah

ServiceIO addresses these issues by offering robust nullability annotations, comprehensive documentation, and well-maintained source code. In addition, ServiceIO enables asynchronous data loading and provides access to cached results, enhancing performance and scalability.

welp

[digital temple]

ah it caches itself stuff ?

[worn jasper]

it appears so?

[digital temple]

mhh sounds interresting.

so, third party plugins can still use the outdated non async economy implementer, but ServiceIO just store the balances in mem ?!

i dont get it

[vast sundial]

I can wait I want to start the server in August, now I'm writing plugins and starting preparations

[river solstice]

I dont think you should worry too much about how it works as long as it does the job. If you are curious you can just check the source code.

[vast sundial]

Code review anyone pls?

[digital temple]

you are using 1.21.3 spigot api in your code. Maybe update to 1.21.4 as the new default mc server version

[vast sundial]

Nah cuz I use purpur which 1.21.4 is still in development

[digital temple]

many things changed here. For e.g the customModelData was changeing

[digital temple]

never use purpur

[vast sundial]

Why?

[digital temple]

because their enchanting registrar system is crap

[vast sundial]

Wdym by enchanting registrar system I don't get it

[pulsar ferry]

Small plugin, only thing really worth mentioning is that your RegisterPlugin is an util and you shouldn't need an instance of it, just having the methods be static instead, since well, it's an util class

[river solstice]

weird use of "setupDependencies", rather bad name
you are not setting anything up

RegisterUtil is a variable and should be lowercase.
If its really just an util class it could probably just have static methods and no need for instantiation.

[river solstice]

ditto ig

[pulsar ferry]

And on the other plugin, don't use sout use the logger

[digital temple]

maybe call it HookManager or something like that

[vast sundial]

Which one

[pulsar ferry]

MysticPickaxe

[river solstice]

also in BlockBreakListener dont create a new instance of Random at line 71

assign it to a static variable

[digital temple]

and do not use displayName.replace("&", "§")
instead take a look into the AdventureAPI

[pulsar ferry]

Or use the old chatcolor translate something something method if you're still using legacy colors

[river solstice]

also I dont really see the need for "RegisterPlugin" class. Personally I would keep those methods in the main class
if not, those methods should be static imo.

[digital temple]

or use this methode if you dont want to use adventure

import net.md_5.bungee.api.ChatColor;
String text = ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', someMessage);

[vast sundial]

I saw it on YouTube plugin tutorial

[river solstice]

and BlockRegenerator line 36

[river solstice]

thats great that you are learning, there are a lot of ways of doing thing though

[pulsar ferry]

hoping it's not a kangarko video

[river solstice]

does not mean its a good practice

[digital temple]

weird boy xd haha

There are only ChatControl ads

[vast sundial]

Lake country games

[river solstice]

as for anything else, cant really see much on phone

[digital temple]

You have create 2 times MythicPickaxe classes . For Commands and for the ItemStack

maybe call it GetPickaxeCommand

[vast sundial]

Can I make class name different than command?

Okay that's a good to know thing

[digital temple]

you can name them as you want

[river solstice]

also util class named MysticPickaxe is kind of weird imo

id rename

or refactor appropriately

[vast sundial]

So how to name it

[digital temple]

Split the register class in two
RegisterEvents
RegisterCommands

And always create debug logs.

[river solstice]

not sure, up to you to decide

[digital temple]

logs = console outputs xd

[vast sundial]

I only do if something is not working lol

Like a debug

[river solstice]

util class with a single method, probably PickaxeCreationUtil with a "create" method or smt

[digital temple]

trust me, if your project becomes bigger, you need to love debugs

[vast sundial]

I better like to make alot of smaller plugins than one bigger haha

Also with the blockresetlite I had alot of problems with worldguard

Because it's 7.0 API is f'ed up

Terribly weird

[digital temple]

so i create a core plugin with all dependencies and relocations 😄 Its much easier to create new plugins from scratch

[vast sundial]

Older apis were more stable

[vast sundial]

Yeah that's right

Also I need to add /plugin reload to both of my plugins lmfaooo

[digital temple]

The core plugin is approximately 6MB in file size, while your actual plugin is only around 100-500KB in the end.

[worn jasper]

spigot api detected, opinion rejected

[digital temple]

If you need more config files you need to create a FileManager. I can send you my

[vast sundial]

Thanks y'all for code review recode tmrw

[digital temple]

you are coding with the paper api ?

[vast sundial]

Nah one config file is enough

[vast sundial]

Spigot is universal

[worn jasper]

why wouldn't I?

[worn jasper]

hella false statement lol

[vast sundial]

U can use paper plugins on spigot?

[worn jasper]

for now

but support can break at any moment

[digital temple]

not 100%

[worn jasper]

#HardForkBaby

[digital temple]

latest versions xd

[worn jasper]

well if you aren't using latest then that's already a bad start

lol

[digital temple]

1.8 minecraft servers

[vast sundial]

Yeah that's why I'm using spigot because spigot plugins are compatible with paper because paper is fork of spigot

[worn jasper]

they are a bad start

and a bad thing in society

[worn jasper]

false

at least not true anymore

paper hard forked

[vast sundial]

So I can use paper plugins on spigot?

[digital temple]

older versions are a fork. For now Paper add much own stuff to it

[worn jasper]

what? no

[vast sundial]

And that's why I'm coding.with spigot API in java XD

[worn jasper]

starting in 1.21.4, paper has nothing to do with spigot

while for now spigot plugins still work, it's just a matter of time till spigot loses support once paper start doing api changes

[worn jasper]

don't think you understand

lol

[vast sundial]

I got you now

[digital temple]

use paper as server software, and code with spigot api. If Paper becomes the main api for coding stuff, then switch

easy

[worn jasper]

that's the worst advice I have heard ngl

[digital temple]

whats the adventage of using paper instead of spigot ?

[worn jasper]

also, why would someone force themselves to use spigot api 🤢

[worn jasper]

tons of better api

and more logical too

[vast sundial]

And why don't use purpur?

[digital temple]

PluginMessages still only be triggering if a player is conencted

[worn jasper]

who said that?

[vast sundial]

@digital temple

[digital temple]

purpur is shit

sorry

[vast sundial]

But why

[worn jasper]

purpur is a fork of paper with more configuration

[vast sundial]

Can you explain it to me?

[worn jasper]

if you say purpur is shit

you say paper is shit

lol

[vast sundial]

Fax

[digital temple]

i hostet a network with purpur and many plugins are not working correctly. (Enchanting Plugins)

[worn jasper]

from ALL the paper forks, purpur is quite literally the single one that makes sense to have

[worn jasper]

probably because of misconfiguration on the user's side

as said, purpur provides way more configurability

and if you disable a certain feature

it can break plugins

lol

[vast sundial]

I need purpur to have more configuration for my prison server lol

[worn jasper]

customization comes at its costs

[digital temple]

the only "better" thing is that some stuff are handled async

[worn jasper]

lol

[digital temple]

i believe its the Food consumting or something else

[worn jasper]

which is basically irrelevant

lol

[digital temple]

just visualls

[worn jasper]

either way, if you want more options

there is nothing wrong in using purpur

it's essentially just paper with addons

and hard fork applies to it too

[vast sundial]

Yeah that's true tho

[worn jasper]

so, it will lose spigot support once paper loses it

spigot itself has legit no other fork besides those forks keeping 1.8 alive

[digital temple]

there still people who use spigot as server software ?

[worn jasper]

if you forget those, spigot is the most irrelevant software nowadays

[worn jasper]

yes

[digital temple]

same as OptiFine

[worn jasper]

spigot is still used for a somewhat optimized server without losing much vanilla behaviour

[vast sundial]

Optifabric is good alternative to sodium ngl

[worn jasper]

since paper is performance focused, it's not the same

[digital temple]

i heard about MultiPaper

[worn jasper]

so, mostly private smps use spigot

[worn jasper]

now that one sucks

hard

lol

[digital temple]

just use sodium and iris

[digital temple]

the current state, yes. And you need a loooot of power

[vast sundial]

But you know on some pcs optifine is better than sodium lol?

[worn jasper]

but that's normal lol

[digital temple]

and 99% of all existing plugins are incompatible

[worn jasper]

Folia also requires a beefy machine

[digital temple]

no way xd

[worn jasper]

legit no way

lol

[vast sundial]

And for example on pojav

[worn jasper]

it's not platform dependent lol

nor hardware dependent

[digital temple]

Is Folia not discontinued?

[worn jasper]

no?

why would it?

[digital temple]

or was it multipaper

[worn jasper]

probs multipaper

[digital temple]

could

im gonna sleep now, have a nice evening/night

[worn jasper]

cya

[vast sundial]

Gn

[broken elbow]

Yeah but it is much more configurable. In my experience I was able to get closer to the vanilla experience on Paper. It has been a couple years though so maybe that has changed. But at some point I remember needing to replicate some vanilla behaviour that was fixed on Spigot and Paper but Paper made it configurable.

[vast sundial]

What do you think about using skript instead of making plugins?

[worn jasper]

yeah, that is true, paper nowadays has a ton more configs, my statement used to be true before

[worn jasper]

Big no

we don't say that word around here

illegal

[broken elbow]

eh

it's alright

if you know what you're doing

The main reason it is disliked is because people that lack knowledge in the basic concepts of programming end up making lag machines.

No idea what the performance difference between a java plugin and a skript that do the same thing is.

[worn jasper]

huge

the diff grows exponentially

for a /site, essentially none

for a bedwars, huge

random ex. but ye

skript is made with lots of spaghetti code

[woeful tundra]

help

[forest jay]

With what

[prime helm]

is it possible to host a minecraft server on a discord bot host?

🤔

f.e. if i have a high end bot hosting, can i run a minecraft server on it

[hoary scarab]

Technically yes. But your host might punish you for doing so.

Might as well pay for a vps at that point.

[river solstice]

well unless you have a way to install a jre/jdk on it and have access to the terminal in general, then no

[vast sundial]

guys so i did a rewrite

https://github.com/vRefilv/MysticPickaxe

is it good now?

[coarse abyss]

hello

i have this probelem recently

anyone knows how to fix?

[coarse abyss]

Blasix1x sent 1251 packets in a tick. Terminated the connection!

[torpid raft]

looks nice, but i'm curious about this code

if (nearbyBlock.getType().isAir() || nearbyBlock.getType() == Material.BEDROCK) {
                                continue;
                            }

                            // Trigger BlockBreakEvent for each block
                            BlockBreakEvent blockBreakEvent = new BlockBreakEvent(nearbyBlock, player);
                            plugin.getServer().getPluginManager().callEvent(blockBreakEvent);

                            // If the event isn't cancelled, break the block naturally
                            if (!blockBreakEvent.isCancelled()) {
                                nearbyBlock.breakNaturally(item);
                            }

is it really necessary to continue if the block is bedrock? and if so, why not continue for other unbreakable blocks eg. barriers, command blocks, etc

also pretty sure this message lies

plugin.getLogger().warning("Invalid mining area specified in config. Defaulting to 3x3.");

and never defaults to 3x3, and just cancels that pickaxe mine action entirely

[vast sundial]

You're right

I need to fix it all

[vast sundial]

https://github.com/vRefilv/BlockResetLite

How about this one?

[torpid raft]

also nice, the only issue i can think of is that you should be resetting the mines automatically on startup

since right now i think its possible for a scheduled block to be forgotten if the server restarts after it is mined but before it is refreshed

[vast sundial]

That's actually a good idea thank you I will add it too.

[polar patio]

hi guys i'm trying to integrate placeholderapi into my plugin and i'm running into errors in pom.xml
Dependency 'import me.clip.placeholderapi.expansion.PlaceholderExpansion;' not found
Update: Still need help

[vast sundial]

Had the same issue

[polar patio]

great, and the solution?

[vast sundial]

You need to add repository

    <repository>
        <id>placeholderapi-repo</id>
        <url>https://repo.extendedclip.com/content/repositories/placeholderapi/</url>
    </repository>
</repositories>```

Try these

[polar patio]

life saver, thanks

[vast sundial]

I've tried to resolve this also but with worldedit lmao

[polar patio]

yea, cant figure that one too

[dense drift]

When asking for an user's input through chat is there any way to have tab completion?
I need the namespace key of a material and I want to help the user by suggesting them.
The only way I know is to register a dummy command or whatever and use that for completion.

[worn jasper]

pretty sure tab completion is only ran when / is present

the only tab completion in chat that I know of is the Player name one

which you can technically modify using PlayerInfoPacket but that would also change the tablist players

unless there is a way to bypass it

[dense drift]

nah I don't want to bother working with packets

[coarse abyss]

https://paste.helpch.at/repopudika.bash

someone can help me

i cannot execute java 8

[torpid raft]

does the java executable file on linux use the .exe extension?

thats suspicious

[coarse abyss]

nope

[broken elbow]

When you say that you can not execute java 8, do you mean you can't run the program at all or does it fail at the java step?

You might need to mark the file as an executable before executing it

[uncut zenith]

Hey, so I'm making a Temp-Fly plugin. It is also the first time using Kotlin and ConfigLib for me. But I'm kind of running into a problem... I've fixed a lot of bugs like one language file not generating or generating incorrectly, since I'm trying to use dynamic languages with configlib. But now, I need a way to reload those messages and I can't find a way :(

So if someone could help me, this is the repository of my (not that well coded) code: https://github.com/kitoxis/nxltempfly

The language object and the language manager are located here: https://github.com/kitoxis/NXLTempFly/tree/master/src/main/kotlin/lt/nxl/config/languages

Also, for some reason the files reload after a server restart/reload, but not when using /tfreload, but the settings file does.... (Reload fun in settings: https://github.com/kitoxis/NXLTempFly/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/lt/nxl/config/Settings.kt#L25)

[pulsar ferry]

That's a lot of companion objects with global nullable instances 😬
Anyways, just from glaring at your code a possible issue is that you're likely not updating instances in the locales map

[true ember]

Is this the right channel for asking questions about bukkit / spigot api

[pulsar ferry]

Yes

[true ember]

Does anyone know how to create large explosion particles now? I only see explosion in modern versions and explosion emitter which was huge, but what happened with large?

[uncut zenith]

Well, that's probably the most i can do :D
So something like this should work, right?

    fun reload() {
        locales.clear()
        loadLocales()
    }

because it doesn't :\

[broken elbow]

This is how the particles were renamed:

EXPLOSION_NORMAL -> POOF
EXPLOSION_LARGE -> EXPLOSION
EXPLOSION_HUGE -> EXPLOSION_EMITTER

Source is a message in the PaperMC discord server: #555462289851940864 message

[true ember]

Thank you!

[torpid raft]

poof

[uncut zenith]

poof

[green onyx]

Hi, I have a problem with the NMS, when using the imports I get no error, but when compiling I get the error “cannot access net.minecraft.core.HolderLookup” and other errors, using 1.20.6 on the NMS.

https://pastes.dev/zxLSMkfr3O

[dusky harness]

what IDE are you using

and what are you using to compile

you might accidentally be using multiple build tools - one that your IDE is using, and another that you're using to compile

[green onyx]

I use Intellij Community and I compile with Maven

[dusky harness]

can you show your pom.xml?

[neat pier]

FAQ Answer:

Paste Services
When asking for help with a config/menu/code issue please use our paste bin:
(we prefer it over pastebin.com)
• HelpChat Paste - How To Use

Requested by: dkim19375 • paste

[dusky harness]

and also you didn't touch any of this other than Project, right? (in ctrl alt shift s menu)

[green onyx]

https://pastes.dev/Q38yY6spyM

[green onyx]

https://prnt.sc/uMfXwj7emWaO

https://prnt.sc/ndFo9Aq2Mad1

[dusky harness]

hmm ok

[dusky harness]

wait is this the maven output?

what command or button are you running to compile it?

pom.xml seems fine tho..

[green onyx]

I compile with IJ or by using cmd, which is used mvn clean install

[green onyx]

I didn't understand the question

[green onyx]

https://prnt.sc/teuy70xrrsZo

[dusky harness]

class file has wrong version 65.0, should be 61.0
61 is Java 17 (what you have) and 65 is java 21
so possibly spigot might require java 21

you can install java 21 here: https://github.com/adoptium/temurin21-binaries/releases/download/jdk-21.0.5%2B11/OpenJDK21U-jdk_x64_windows_hotspot_21.0.5_11.msi

[heavy kindle]

When you save the config file, the comment lines are deleted. How i can save the config file properly?

[dense drift]

You cant with the bukkit config api

[heavy kindle]

Can you please tell me how we can do it?

[broken elbow]

Use a different library for handling configs.

[dense drift]

Or dont write the config after you save it for the first time

[heavy kindle]

Is there a library you can recommend?

[heavy kindle]

This is my last resort unfortunately

[broken elbow]

I don't know any unfortunatelly.

[broken elbow]

Why is that?

[atomic trail]

Can anyone help me with this gradle task? I want it to run the other task but with given args

    register("clearTables", JavaExec::class) {
        dependsOn("bootRun")
        doFirst {
            bootRun {
                args = listOf("clear")
            }
        }
    }

[minor summit]

that isn't really how tasks work, I'm afraid

that's a lie, I am not afraid of anything

bootRun is a task, what you want is to run a separate task from bootRun given that it has different parameters and configuration

idk what type of task bootRun is but let's say BootRunTask for the sake of it, you need to register a BootRunTask and configure it to your liking and depend on that

[atomic trail]

Yeah what I made makes no sense actually lmao

This should work tho right?

    register("clearTables", JavaExec::class) {
        group = "application"
        description = "Run the JAR with 'clear' argument"
        classpath = sourceSets["main"].runtimeClasspath
        mainClass.set("cc.valdemar.shop.ShopApplication")
        args = listOf("clear")
    }

I don't really need the bootRun task actually, just want to run the jar with given args

[minor summit]

yeah that'd do it

[atomic trail]

It just exits with code 1 and nothing else

Process 'command 'C:\Program Files\Java\jdk-21\bin\java.exe'' finished with non-zero exit value 1

Nothing else in the error

Ah there was something in the scan

Got it, ty

[dark garnet]

@proud pebble @river solstice sooooooooo 💀 https://x.com/notch/status/1875230756437479658

notch (@notch) on X

@JohnnyS89206078 I basically announced minecraft 2.

I thought that maybe people ACTUALLY do want me to make another game that's super similar to the first one, and I'm loving working on games again.

I don't super duper care exactly which game I make first (or even if I make more), but I do know

Twitter · Jan 3, 2025, 5:20 PM

oops didnt realize this was development support

[green onyx]

Sorry for not answering you, thank you very much for the help, it helped me and I was able to compile

[dusky harness]

awesome! 👍

[uncut zenith]

Can anyone please help? I have tried like 10+ methods to reload the dynamic language files... BUT NEITHER WORKS :|
https://github.com/kitoxis/nxltempfly
This is my first project using kotlin and configlib
Locale Manager: https://github.com/kitoxis/NXLTempFly/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/lt/nxl/config/languages/LM.kt
Locale Object: https://github.com/kitoxis/NXLTempFly/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/lt/nxl/config/languages/Locale.kt

My current try was:

    fun reload() {
        TempFly.log(locales.toString())
        locales.clear()
        TempFly.log(locales.toString())
        loadLocales()
        TempFly.log(locales.toString())
    }

Where I tried debuging and the output I think was correct:

[11:51:33 INFO]: kitoxis issued server command: /tfreload
[11:51:33 INFO]: {en_US=lt.nxl.config.languages.Locale@2fc4fbae, lt_LT=lt.nxl.config.languages.Locale@74372dd5}
[11:51:33 INFO]: {}
[11:51:33 INFO]: {en_US=lt.nxl.config.languages.Locale@7d3b6bcb, lt_LT=lt.nxl.config.languages.Locale@59520e70}

[vast sundial]

How to use coins engine api

Whenever I try to use it

I get this

Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "su.nightexpress.coinsengine.CoinsEnginePlugin.getCurrencyManager()" because "su.nightexpress.coinsengine.api.CoinsEngineAPI.plugin" is null

[broken elbow]

Do you have CoinsEngine installed on your server?

You need the plugin installed.

[vast sundial]

Yes I have

I even did hookmanager

To coins engine load first

[broken elbow]

Does this error contain a stacktrace or is it just this single line?

[vast sundial]

Idk can send u log file

[broken elbow]

Yeah. Put the log file in a paste bin service such as paste.helpch.at and send it here.

[vast sundial]

It is hard on phone tho

https://paste.helpch.at/rireqazomi.css

Here's the whole stacktrace

I have coins engine in plugin.yml dependencies

I have it in pom.xml as dependency

[minor summit]

do not shade coinsengine

mark the dependency in your pom as <scope>provided</scope>

[vast sundial]

i need help rn quick

Cannot resolve symbol 'me'

placeholderapi

i have it in pom.xml dependencies

[ocean crow]

@olive fulcrum feel this isn’t a good link

[vast sundial]

Is it better to make smaller plugins for prison server and connect them

Or

One big plugin?

Like blockreset blockdrop rankups coinflip

[dense drift]

I like to create smaller plugins vs one big plugin

[torn heart]

^

[vast sundial]

How about like the same stuff

Like the same java class

I do the core plugin then?

[proud pebble]

i dont think youll get any performance deficiency if you do multiple plugins over 1 big one its sorta just up to you if you wanna do that or not

[dusky harness]

personally I'd prefer 1 big plugin to reduce duplicate code

[dusky harness]

but yeah I don't think there's any performance difference
just preference :)

[dense drift]

Create libs 😛

[fathom wave]

Hey there! I was wondering what the development updates were for updating placeholder api for 1.21.4 please?

[pulsar ferry]

Does it not work on 1.21.4?

[worn jasper]

ACTUALLY

I recall reading a blog that stated that there was indeed a difference

https://madelinemiller.dev/blog/large-plugins-vs-small-plugins/

[torn heart]

I'm sure there is a difference but I wonder if it's significant

[worn jasper]

that's what I said xD, and if I am not mistaken, that blog states

[fathom wave]

We've not had any success with it on 1.21.4 and looking the spigot page there have been issues with 1.21.3

[dusky harness]

I don't think it's significant though

[worn jasper]

it is not

but there is a difference

[dusky harness]

If you develop all the plugins then you can optimize it to be performant with each other

[worn jasper]

was just pointing it out

[dusky harness]

👍

[minor summit]

i mean yeah there is also a difference in doing i + 2 than i + 1 + 1 but it's not noticeable

[torn heart]

tbf there isn't any difference at allif you're using any complied language but yea

[vast sundial]

Yeah but idk to make
One big plugin, core plugin or modular small plugins connected with api

Like somehow I need to connect them

And I have duplicate code like database class and economyutil class

For now I have
Blockresetlite
Blockdroplite
Coinfliplite
Rankuplite

And need to connect blockdrop with rankup to check if rank is high enough to get drop from blocks

So for now I did it with api

Also as I want the same config file

[uncut zenith]

There is the thing, I forgot what its called like jitlab or another service, where the github repositories automatically get uploaded as the api, so you can use that, then in the main plugin depend the plugins you want as the other plugins, and in the other plugins, depend the core. Then you will just have to figure out how to use that jitlab or smth

[dusky harness]

jitpack* but I would just do one big plugin

seems like you have a couple reasons to do 1 big plugin and no reason to do separate plugins so

weighing the options -> one big plugin

[vast sundial]

What about if I want to upload the plugins on for example spigot

And if I do one big plugin then it will have only one usage

For prison server

If I would make core or API for every plugin then they will compatible to each other but work without other plugins

[river solstice]

sure

[sterile hinge]

for my very own compiled language that I just made up, there is a difference

[torn heart]

i need to start arguing like this more

[sterile hinge]

true

[stuck hearth]

https://xkcd.com/1172/
Tangential
Also
https://xkcd.com/378/

xkcd: Workflow

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

xkcd: Real Programmers

Real programmers set the universal constants at the start such that the universe evolves to contain the disk with the data they want.

[dense drift]

I have an API for a plugin made with interfaces. Some classes represent objects that will be loaded from config. Each clasa has an implementation, usually record ClassName() implements IClaassName.
I want to use Configurate to deserialize the objects but I run into an issue where it doesn't know what to deserialize IClassName as. Is there any way to tell configurate that the interface A is implemented by class B, like a map?

[pulsar ferry]

Polymorphic serialization, not sure if Configurate supports it, but you can try searching that term

[minor summit]

why not just tell configurate to deserialize ClassName instead

[dense drift]

IClassName has methods that return other interfaces, and so does ClassName.

[minor summit]

oookay?

[dense drift]

What I meant to say is that it will then complain about IAnotherClass, but I have an implementation for that too.

[dense drift]

No luck 😦

[dense drift]

public class PolyDeserializer<T> implements TypeSerializer<T> {

    private final Class<? extends T> clazz;

    public PolyDeserializer(Class<? extends T> clazz) {
        this.clazz = clazz;
    }

    @Override
    public T deserialize(Type type, ConfigurationNode node) throws SerializationException {
        return node.get(clazz);
    }
}```
```java
.registerExact(ISpawnEgg.class, new PolyDeserializer<>(SpawnEgg.class))
.registerExact(ISpawnEggLevel.class, new PolyDeserializer<>(SpawnEggLevel.class))```
This seems to work for now.

[worn jasper]

@fringe spruce sus link help

[icy shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/heyzzy-mods-cry-to-mods-annoying-bitch-stfu-gif-25951942

[slow plinth]

I am trying to create some placeholders in my plugin but I think I am doing something wrong.
This it the logic

package com.striderdev.striderSimpleCloud.placeholderapi

import app.simplecloud.controller.api.ControllerApi
import kotlinx.coroutines.runBlocking
import me.clip.placeholderapi.expansion.PlaceholderExpansion
import org.bukkit.entity.Player
import java.util.logging.Logger

class GroupPlayerCountPlaceholderHook(
    private val controllerApi: ControllerApi.Coroutine,
    private val logger: Logger
) : PlaceholderExpansion() {

    override fun getIdentifier(): String {
        return "ssc_group"
    }

    override fun getAuthor(): String {
        return "StriderDev"
    }

    override fun getVersion(): String {
        return "1.0"
    }

    override fun persist(): Boolean {
        return true
    }

    override fun onPlaceholderRequest(player: Player?, params: String): String? {
        logger.info("onPlaceholderRequest triggered with params: $params")

        if (params == "test") {
            return "test works!"
        }

        if (params.startsWith("playercount_")) {
            val groupName = params.removePrefix("playercount_")
            logger.info("Extracted group name: '$groupName'")

            return runBlocking {
                try {
                    val serversInGroup = controllerApi.getServers().getServersByGroup(groupName)
                    if (serversInGroup.isEmpty()) {
                        return@runBlocking "0"
                    }
                    val totalPlayerCount = serversInGroup.sumOf {
                        val serverDetails = controllerApi.getServers().getServerById(it.uniqueId)
                        serverDetails.playerCount
                    }
                    return@runBlocking totalPlayerCount.toString()
                } catch (e: Exception) {
                    logger.severe("Error processing placeholder: ${e.message}")
                    e.printStackTrace()
                    return@runBlocking "error"
                }
            }
        }

        logger.warning("Unrecognized placeholder parameters: $params")
        return null
    }
}

And this is in the start logic to register it:

        if (server.pluginManager.isPluginEnabled("PlaceholderAPI")) {
            GroupPlayerCountPlaceholderHook(controllerApi, this.logger).register()
            logger.info("Placeholders registered successfully!")
        } else {
            logger.warning("Could not register placeholders: PlaceholderAPI missing.")
        }

Using /papi list shows that ssc_group is registered but neither placeholders actually return. That first logger.info doesn't even run.
What am I getting wrong?

[dense drift]

The identifier can not contain underscore @slow plinth

[slow plinth]

oh

thank you

[river solstice]

Why doesnt PAPI throw an exception tho

[slow plinth]

IDK. Worked though

[dense drift]

I was thinking about that

[broken elbow]

Time to fix that.

[west socket]

Does anyone know if there is a consistent way to detect when a JVM process has "finished loading" regardless of server software?

I'm trying to make a sort of pterodactyl alternative, but am having issues with detecting when the server has fully started

[dusty frost]

Ptero just checks for a console message

That seems pretty software agnostic

[west socket]

Ah, thanks

Guess there’s no way to make it software independent

[hoary scarab]

Pretty sure there is an isLoaded method you can check in spigot.

[west socket]

Needs to be software independent, but thanks for letting me know about that

[pure crater]

Does anyone know why my resourcepack isn't working, unzipping and loading the folder in game works but the zip version just isnt working

for context, my plugin zips resources of a resource pack

and its creating this zip

but its not working in game

1.21.4 resourcepack

Diamond custom model data 1

[uncut zenith]

How to update a dynamic language values with configlib? The settings file auto-updates correctly. But since my languages are dynamic, they dont... but how do i make them to do that? My current code: https://github.com/kitoxis/nxltempfly

[minor summit]

you forgot the .com lol

[uncut zenith]

Frick

Xdd

I fixed it ;)

[vast sundial]

how to check in intelij what methods are depracted

my plugin shows as legacy

[dull pecan]

When they have @Deprecated annotation?

[vast sundial]

but they dont

oopsie im stupid

[22:02:35] [Server thread/WARN]: Legacy plugin ChatFilterLite v1.0.0 does not specify an api-version.

[dull pecan]

then they're not deprecated

[dull pecan]

plugin.yml -> api-version: 'version' e.g: api-version: '1.20'

[vast sundial]

yeah ik

i meant im stupid i forgot to put it into plugin.yml

[dull pecan]

Happens to best of us

I strongly recommend for you to use Minecraft Development Intellij Idea plugin, it generate boilerplate for plugin developemnt

[vast sundial]

i used it

but idk why it dont added api-version

to plugin,yml

that was the first time it did like this

[dull pecan]

weird

do you use latest version?

[vast sundial]

ye

[dull pecan]

Then I have no idea what happened

[dark garnet]

this is sort of a development question
i manage a minecraft events discord server where users can post events through a discord bot that they're hosting for other ppl in our server to play
we need a way to detect when their events end so that we can add features that would utilize it (ex: VC for the event that's deleted when event ends)
some ideas we had were like:

• manual detection: host clicks a button when their event ends. cons: unreliable bc host might forget to click the button causing ppl to think event is still going on
• "ai" plugin: each host that wanted to utilize the features that require end detection would install our plugin. it would use factors such as online players, chat activity, player movement, etc... to "guess" when an event has ended. cons: also unreliable and could have false-detections
• manual with remidners: every like 30 mins the host is DMed or asked in-game whether their event is still going on. they either click Yes or No. if they dont respond in the next 30 mins, its assumed its ended. cons: some ppl have DMs disabled, it has 30-minute unreliability, if someones power goes out or something its false detection, its annoying cause hosts arent always looking in discord or paying attention to system msgs
• player feedback: players click a button in discord letting us know the event has ended. once its reached a certain amount of feedback, its marked as ended. cons: definitely will be groups of ppl who abuse this on ppl they dont like, ppl might just not provide feedback
• player feedback + manual: player feedback except it DMs/notifies host before confirming the event's been cancelled

if anyone's got any ideas please let me know, we've been struggling with this for months 😭 ping if reply

[dusty frost]

i mean, the only reliable way is surely just to have the host choose when it's finished

if they made the event and started it, i hope they can be responsible enough to say when it ends lol

maybe they could even do it through the game or something? that way it's easier than alt tabbing to discord or something, and it would just shut down the server and whatever they're using

[hoary scarab]

Are the events timed based? Just end it after the elapsed time.

[dusty frost]

yeah if they can have the host specify the length beforehand, and maybe give them an option to add like 15min or 30min if the event is going longer than planned?

then it can end automatically but can proactively be fixed

[digital palm]

If anyone much smarter than me has some spare time I'd appreciate some people looking over this (https://github.com/T14D3/Zones/blob/03151bc298077919f41429088d84e654d3e104cd/src/main/java/de/t14d3/zones/PermissionManager.java#L110-L176) pile of junk to figure out if there are hugely stupid design choices made by me that can be improved upon

[river solstice]

idk why you dont just early return false on exception

and you shouldnt modify the original parameter via toLowerCase(), I would create a clone

[digital palm]

Because the input can either be a valid UUID string or a ":group-NAME" string - if that exception occurs it tries to use the input as a group

[sterile hinge]

why even have a string as who parameter

that all sounds extremely hacky

[digital palm]

Because I can't think of a better way to both include UUID's and some "group" value in the same parameter - and yes, it is extremely hacky, that's why I'm asking if anyone can find a "less hacky" solution^^

[sterile hinge]

I mean, why are you reinventing permission systems? All of them already have some kind of group concept

[digital palm]

poorly named method, it doesn't check permissions on the player object but if a player/group has kinda like worldguard "flags" permission values defined in a region object

[hoary scarab]

Since when does that method modify the variable?

Yeah looks like it returns new String

[river solstice]

ah right lol, regardless, I prefer assigning it to a new valuable

[amber spindle]

Hi ,Does anyone know? how make custom recipe with custom item? Example : I want craft a mythic sword with mythic shards(with custom model) how can make it?I searching on internet or ask ai but its wont wanna work

[hoary scarab]

I'm not at my PC so I can't share my code but look into ShapedRecipe. Idk about newer versions but this use to only work with materials not specific items.

Could also check the craft or inventory click events.

[dawn tinsel]

from lightbulb.ext import tasks
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'lightbulb.ext'

WHen I try to run my bot it gives me this

I installed hikari and hikari-lightbulb?

Anyone know how to fix?

[lyric gyro]

Good morning, I'm actually developing some plugins which offers its own menu API, only used for the same plugins for custom inventories, and some menus offers the chance to go back to the previous inventory. Some of my customers use DM to create custom inventories, and sometimes, some of the inventories contains a button which refers to a command related to my plugins. When they open the inventory, the back button is shown up, but when they go back, the DM inventory seems to lose all tracking. I assume that, once DM detects that a player has closed the inventory, it stops tracking their inputs. I was wondering if there was any other case which had the same issue with a solution compatible for this kind of cases or if the best would be to give support to DeluxeMenus and reopen them through the API

[idle heron]

Hello i made a GUI with 6 enchantment books that have default enchantments like sharpness,unbreaking,looting etc and im trying to make an if statement that will check if item is ENCHANTED_BOOK with the name "Sharpness" for example anyone could help me with this?

[solemn estuary]

Is it possible to convert a gradle plugin to maven ?

( pls ping me )

[icy vigil]

gradle plugin? not really

@solemn estuary

[solemn estuary]

😢 I hate this

[icy vigil]

which gradle plugin you need to work on maven?

maybe there is a maven substitute

[solemn estuary]

It's a bazaar plugin like the one of Hypixel

[icy vigil]

oh

you talking about minecraft plugin

[solemn estuary]

Yep

[icy vigil]

I thought you were talking about build tool plugins

[solemn estuary]

Oh non x)

It's possible then ?

[icy vigil]

https://www.baeldung.com/gradle-build-to-maven-pom

[solemn estuary]

<3

[icy vigil]

from what I see its a bit hacky

[pulsar ferry]

Downgrading 😔

[sterile hinge]

true

[icy vigil]

upgrading actually

maven > gradle

[sterile hinge]

nah

not even when maven 4 comes out

[icy vigil]

maven 4 when

[dense drift]

As long maven keeps using only xml, it won't have a chance to be superior to gradle 😬

[graceful hedge]

I’m pretty sure someone almost successfully implemented maven with a gradle plugin in gradle lol

[river solstice]

huh

[graceful hedge]

yea, like reading pom.xml, and then mapping the structure to some gradle equivalent stuff etc

[pulsar ferry]

Tbh that doesn't sound like too hard of a thing to do, for dependencies at least, plugins would be different

[river solstice]

I dont really see the use case tbh

cuz things like this already exist (https://m0dii-dev.xyz/tools/maven-to-gradle):

[dense drift]

The only good thing about maven using xml is that it is easy to convert it to gradle

[pulsar ferry]

You don't even need a converter either, just gradlew init on a maven project

[stuck hearth]

I can see how using a tool in your IDE would be more difficult or convoluted than using a tool somewhere on the internet

[river solstice]

no i mean why would you need a plugin in your gradle project to convert pom.xml

[dense drift]

ah yes, i forgot about that

[river solstice]

init seems like a one time thing, what if I want to convert some kind of pom.xml of some project without opening the project itself

[dark garnet]

i want to transfer players using Player#transfer(...), is it possible without knowing the port?

cause u can run the /transfer command without specifying a port, but only if you dont specify a player (so only on urself), idk why

[worn jasper]

It probably defaukts to the default port

[dark garnet]

u know if theres anyway to figure out the port somehow?

[minor summit]

nothing short of just trying every option, Minecraft will default to 25565 if unspecified both in the command and on the server list screen, it doesn't "figure out" anything

[neon pewter]

why it doesn't allow me to pass this into the document ?

[graceful hedge]

I mean it wasn’t done to be useful, it was simply to point out, gradle can literally do anything that maven can do and more

[graceful hedge]

Yea, I’d assume one just provided some implementation around the most commonly used mvn plugins

[graceful hedge]

Don’t you use # to link members of a class?

[neon pewter]

it should {@link} in javadoc

[graceful hedge]

Yea but you don’t use Type**.**field tho

It should be a #, no?

Type#field, or #field if the Type is inferrable

[neon pewter]

oh right i forgot about that

[graceful hedge]

ur good fam, nw

[worn jasper]

just like emily said, it always defaults to 25565 when port is not present

there is no "find out"

[dark garnet]

but what about custom domains that use srv records

like play.srnyx.com

there’s no port and it’s not 25565

[worn jasper]

doesn't DNS translate it to an ip and port

lol

although actually

[dark garnet]

exactly

[worn jasper]

yeah idk

get that data from DNS then? idk

[dark garnet]

……..

[worn jasper]

should probs ask in paper discord

[river solstice]

isn't it transferToHost()?

[dark garnet]

no

[dark garnet]

that’s velocity

[river solstice]

is .transfer on paper?

[dense drift]

What are you trying to do though? Send players to a server that's not yours?

[dusky harness]

afonso's right

you can get the port using DNS

¯_(ツ)_/¯

but if it's SRV I wonder if putting just any random port will work

[minor summit]

i don't think Minecraft does anything special to resolve SRV records when trying to join a server?

like.. just default to 25565 that's literally what the game does

and things automagically work

[dusky harness]

oh yeah I was probably overthinking it

[dark garnet]

yes

[dark garnet]

ok yeah ur right

only 25565 works which is interesting

even tho the server's port isnt 25565 (and theres a different server with 25565 with same underlying ip)

thanks

[solemn estuary]

Hi !
I'm learning Java and I would like to know if there are some librairies I should learn to use ?

[pulsar ferry]

If you're learning Java I'd recommend sticking to base Java before diving into libraries, try learning by doing yourself what some libraries do
Once you get the hang of it then replace it with the libraries you want

[torn heart]

highly depends on what you're doing

[solemn estuary]

pluginq

[icy sonnet]

Can I add a constructor in my main class that extends JavaPlugin or is that bad practice?

[spiral prairie]

How are you going to... call that constructor?

[hoary scarab]

Magic

[icy shadow]

yeah bukkit literally won’t let you

[spiral prairie]

If you want to do something on init do it in the enable/load method

[pulsar ferry]

Can't you have it if it's no-args?

[spiral prairie]

You can probably

[icy sonnet]

I don't want to call the constructor

I'm trying to make a fileManager so I can easily create .yml files as needed

[spiral prairie]

Okay..?

[pulsar ferry]

And what does that have to do with the plugin having a contructor?

[icy shadow]

yeah but you still can’t manually call it which I assume is the intention

[spiral prairie]

What does one have to do with the other?

[pulsar ferry]

Oh yeah I just meant having a contructor, not calling it

[icy shadow]

it sounds like you want to inject the plugin instance into the file manager class

[icy sonnet]

no like when I'm trying to do private FileManager filemanger;

it won't let me and says I need a constructor

[spiral prairie]

That would be dependency injection but the wrong way around

[icy sonnet]

thats why im asking

[icy shadow]

ah yeah then you can have a default and one with a few args like the plugin info file iirc

[spiral prairie]

Did you set the variable as final?

[icy shadow]

what is your exact code

[dusky harness]

you could do = null

[spiral prairie]

If so; either initialize it there, or don't

[spiral prairie]

That's implicated

[dusky harness]

but are there any downsides to initializing it right away?

if you don't do anything else with it

[pulsar ferry]

Or you know private FileManager filemanger = new FileManager();

[dusky harness]

if matt says so then ig not

:))

[icy shadow]

No? Inversion of control, if the FileManager needs a JavaPlugin then the JavaPlugin should be injected

[pulsar ferry]

Initializing it directly on the field or on the constructor are pretty much identical

[icy sonnet]

yea doesn't work or smth

[dusky harness]

+ final :)

[pulsar ferry]

How so?

[icy sonnet]

I dunno the IDE keeps complaining

[icy shadow]

what is the error

[pulsar ferry]

And the complain is?

[icy sonnet]

Variable 'fileManager' might not have been initialized

[icy shadow]

You have two variables don’t you

[pulsar ferry]

That makes no sense with what I sent

share screenshot

[icy shadow]

one called filemanager and another called fileManager

oops sorry reply fail

[icy sonnet]

methode in main:

public void createFiles() throws FileCantBeCreatedException {
        fileManager.createFile(CONFIG_FILE);
        fileManager.createFile(DEATH_MESSAGES_FILE);
    }

[icy shadow]

Need more code than that

[icy sonnet]

Change this instance-reference to a static reference.
Static member 'me. cozyleprechaun94.utils. FileManager. createFile(java. lang. String)' accessed via instance reference

https://paste.helpch.at/liwedisore.java

here is main

here is filemanger class

[icy shadow]

Right so

[pulsar ferry]

Well you didn't even do what I sent lol

[icy shadow]

that’s not what we said to write

Yeah lol

[icy shadow]

.

[icy sonnet]

ah a sec

[spiral prairie]

I personally recommend going the way of Java basics before Spigot plugins :)

[icy sonnet]

Instantiation of utility class 'FileManager'

[icy sonnet]

Iknow java BASICS bruv

I just never worked with files or ever got that error

[spiral prairie]

No I meant having a constructor in the JavaPlugin would be the wrong way around since you'd need one in the FileManager for DI

[icy shadow]

Respectfully this is Java basics, there’s nothing specific to files here it’s just instantiating fields

[spiral prairie]

I'm no one to judge but you just sent a file where one might think that the basics aren't there yet

[icy shadow]

Oh right yeah I see, that’s not what I was suggesting but you’re right

[icy shadow]

What does FileManager actually look like

[icy sonnet]

https://paste.helpch.at/josuyidaje.java

[icy shadow]

Oh lmao

So why do you even need it as a field

Just call the static methods

FileManager.createFile etc

[icy sonnet]

public void createFiles() throws FileCantBeCreatedException {
FileManager.createFile(CONFIG_FILE);
FileManager.createFile(DEATH_MESSAGES_FILE);
}

[icy shadow]

Yes

[spiral prairie]

Yes

[icy sonnet]

yea, but now it aint copying the contexts of the files from resources

[spiral prairie]

Also, you can just switch out your custom exception for a RuntimeException I don't think you need a custom one for that

[icy sonnet]

I learned it that way

AlwAys MakE cuStom ExcPtions blalala

[spiral prairie]

Ah interesting

[dusky harness]

I mean I guess it's better for clarity

[spiral prairie]

Ideally you'd pass on the IOException with the original stack

[dusky harness]

ah

[spiral prairie]

Because that contains the reason it failed

[dusky harness]

oh that's a simple fix

[icy shadow]

can still do that with a custom exception

[dusky harness]

change line 25 to add a second parameter to e

[icy shadow]

Yeah

[icy sonnet]

and also "Define and throw a dedicated exception instead of using a generic one."

[spiral prairie]

Never said you couldn't

[dusky harness]

do this and remove the e.getMessage() part @icy sonnet and 🪄

[pulsar ferry]

AlwAys MakE cuStom ExcPtions blalala
when it makes sense to*

[icy shadow]

You’ve not written any code to do that

it doesn’t happen automatically

All your method does is creates a file

[spiral prairie]

Imho an IOException is the perfect exception to throw on an... IO exception

[icy shadow]

I agree

[icy sonnet]

wut so remove e.getMessage and leave e

[spiral prairie]

e

[spiral prairie]

My brain is so rotten I chuckled a little on ageee

[icy shadow]

ageee

I love autocorrect

It’s so helpful

[worn jasper]

laughs on bootstrapping with paper

[spiral prairie]

I love when it starts correcting the real word to my version which I've misspelt 200 times over

[dusky harness]

out of curiosity
what word is it that you've misspelt 200 times?!

[icy shadow]

meant to type “yay” earlier and it corrected to “yap fy”

not even a word bro

[worn jasper]

hey, bootstrapping does allow you to pass args to the constructor of the main class

xD

[spiral prairie]

It's usually something like many HAHAHAH