development

[dense galleon]

I'm already using hikari

[merry knoll]

that way your core does not need to know about any other implementation details

it just provides the connection and everything stays easy to remove if need be

as for what you want to do, all you have to do is to have a main table with all the core data

with uuid as primary key

[dense galleon]

I still want to try doing what I was saying in that wall of text, even if it isn't the most efficient way I just really want to try it out lol I just like the idea of handling it like that

[merry knoll]

and side tables for other plugins

[dense galleon]

I know there is countless other ways to do it

[dense galleon]

I mean originally I was doing that

[merry knoll]

uuid as foreign key and you are set

[dense galleon]

I just wanted to try doing it that other way

[merry knoll]

for what you want to do, mongo might be the best if you are set on it

[dense galleon]

I don't think I got what I wanted to do across since it barely requires any SQL related stuff 🥲 it's oki I figured it was way too complicated to explain after I wrote 5 paragraphs haha

The database stuff I would look into later, now I am struggling Java wise

[merry knoll]

nah, i got what you want to do its just that sql is well structured

[torpid raft]

you want to delegate db stuff to your core plugin instead of letting each plugin do it for themselves

[merry knoll]

and what you want to do kinda goes against that

[dense galleon]

Yeah but also have all my plugins use that same PlayerData class too found in my core plugin

And that is what I am trying to do now

The database stuff I will do afterwards

[torpid raft]

if you're really stuck on having your generic player info map store, i'd recommend using a String,String instead of String,Object if possible

and maybe even consider using Redis for that

[merry knoll]

i would go with a custom object with hashing

rather than string

[dense galleon]

Yeah I had an AdditionalData object at some point

[torpid raft]

serializing you mean?

[merry knoll]

no, i would hash a "key" object

maybe to player

[dense galleon]

The issue though I am experiencing mainly is that

I want my smaller plugins to be able to call a registerAdditionalData() method to let my core plugin know "hey, plugin X is going to use the map to store String, Integer and String, Timestamp" or something

[torpid raft]

i dont see too much reason to hash a key object tbh, unless you are trying to align the database and make it ultra storage efficient

[dense galleon]

But I don't really know how to go about that

[torpid raft]

but tbh idk how much benefit hashing even gives you with that

i'd personally rather have a human readable name

[merry knoll]

Something like: each player data holds a map

that is hashed to a class type to - value

and you can hold column names in a seperate map if you need to

[torpid raft]

is there a reason to do this? what are you expecting will go wrong if you dont do it

[merry knoll]

and avoid the whole string fetch etc

[dense galleon]

Like, I'd want that map to be populated with a bunch of 'default values' through different implementations of that registerAdditionalMethod() by other plugins

[dense galleon]

I guess it's kind of a challenge for myself but also just a way to prevent duplicate data in the database due to typos or something

[torpid raft]

i dont think itll be easy to protect people from their own mistakes ngl

[dense galleon]

Yeah but there must be a way to turn this into some kind of registration system, where each plugin registers a set amount of additional data onto that map in their onEnable()

[torpid raft]

i think requiring a registration will make things a lot more complicated than it needs to be

[merry knoll]

i mean you could have the best of both worlds

and make your registration create a new table internally

[torpid raft]

however i do think being able to set defaults for a key is reasonable

[merry knoll]

you just dont do it each time

instead of the put everything in one table angle

[dense galleon]

I don't like the idea of having 20 smaller plugins with 20 different tables though in all honesty

[merry knoll]

that is what sql is made for

also allows you to avoid a lot of nullable columns as well

[torpid raft]

i mean are all the plugins doing different things?

[dense galleon]

I got 4 so far, I wouldn't know haha

[merry knoll]

another thing you need to keep in mind is that your plugins will need to query the whole table

each time

even when they might not need to store the data half the time

[dense galleon]

Not if the data is all stored inside of the core plugin

Whichever the solution is, I want all SQL related code only in my core plugin

[merry knoll]

yes you can do that

[dense galleon]

And Hikari

Anything to do with the database or SQL I really want to just keep in my core plugin

[merry knoll]

you can avoid all sql in dependent plugins while also not making an uber table

what you should do to achieve that imho is to have a data class per plugin

and make your core handle the sql from those data classes

[dense galleon]

Would it consist of serializing data files into jsons and creating a parser in my core plugin to store the serialized data into the database as separate columns?

[merry knoll]

i would do tables

[dense galleon]

No I meant like

[merry knoll]

all you have to do is to relate tables to each other with keys

and your other plugins just need to provide a data class - use fetch methods

that take a type variable

[torpid raft]

tbh separate tables per plugin are gonna be really annoying the more i think about it

imagine the pain when you have a plugin that wants to alter its schema

[dense galleon]

Right now I got two tables: PlayerData and PlayerSettings

And they're used by the four plugins

If 6 plugins have "settings" to tweak and "data", I feel like having two tables per plugin containing maybe 1-2 columns would get kinda tedious

[merry knoll]

with how you want to use sql

you really should look into mongo imho

its effectively json as a database

[torpid raft]

true, this seems like a pretty decent usecase for mongo

[merry knoll]

each player can have different settings set or just not have it

or different data set

no structure needed

[torpid raft]

you want to store very high variance data between your different plugins

and access it from one place

[merry knoll]

albeit you can provide it to make queries faster

[dense galleon]

Sunk cost fallacy though

I spent hours learning SQL : ')

[merry knoll]

with mongo you dont really do much

other than provide data classes

you can just have this for example

[dusty frost]

I mean you can just store JSON in a SQL database lol

glorified key-value DB but meh

[dense galleon]

I think I just gotta look into this with fresh eyes tomorrow, I don't really think I will ever be able to explain what I am trying to achieve so I will just need to keep at it 🥲

[merry knoll]

just serialize all settings as a map and dump it i guess lol

[dusty frost]

yeah lol

then just serve out map lookups lol

[dense galleon]

I just really liked the idea of my plugins registering their own data types which the core plugin would store in the PlayerData class to then be stored on the database

[torpid raft]

if he wants String,Object then it might get pretty lengthy

[dense galleon]

As much as it may be more complicated

[torpid raft]

depending on what plugins decide to store

[merry knoll]

compress and dump then

[dense galleon]

The objects would just be integers and timestamps I'm pretty sure

[dusty frost]

I mean how much player data could there be lol

I just use LuckPerms meta for my player data needs

nickname, tag, etc.

[dense galleon]

Though again, the main thing I was struggling with is coming up with a "registration" system

[merry knoll]

just a map

[torpid raft]

inventory contents with nbt data

[dusty frost]

yeah just namespace the keys lol

[dusty frost]

wait this is like, a cross-server player inventory storage thing?

[dense galleon]

Yes but I also want to prevent additional objects to be inserted in the map once the server has fully loaded

[torpid raft]

idk, it sounds very generic so i didnt rule that out

[merry knoll]

map to settings class type

wdym fully loaded

[dense galleon]

Once all the plugins have loaded

[merry knoll]

do what papi does

[dense galleon]

1. Core plugin loads, with the PlayerData class and the empty additionalData map
2. Other plugins load, and populate the additionalData map with their own pairings of keys and default values
3. Once the server has fully loaded and all plugins are too, this map should become immutable and only allow for existing values to be updated

[merry knoll]

run a task to run 1 tick later

and set an internal variable closing sign ups

[dense galleon]

I don't get what that would do

[merry knoll]

server starts ticking

[dense galleon]

The issue is adding to the map and then making it immutable later on

[merry knoll]

after plugin loading is done

you just wrap your map in a class

and close set access

[dense galleon]

Right

But then I wonder

This register method, would it be in my PlayerData class?

That feels like it would go against the single responsibility principle

[merry knoll]

no, single responsibility

[dusty frost]

what lol

[merry knoll]

register in the map wrapper class thing

whatever you name it

honestly you are just reinventing orms

[dense galleon]

Riight okay so I'd have to make a map wrapper class

[merry knoll]

way worse

[dusty frost]

you're thinking too ahrd about this lol

[dense galleon]

At least I don't need to sit down and learn them since I am writing them myself

I am sure that when I try writing it tomorrow I will run into some other issue and realize I didn't explain myself properly

I think I just need to sleep lol

For database storage though, the idea was that once the server has loaded before actually loading data from the tables I'd be modifying the query based on what data the map found inside of PlayerData contains

[dusty frost]

i mean you're not gonna be dynamically adding columns lol

in like, any case

[dense galleon]

I mean whenever a new plugin pops up or I add new functionalities to an existing one

[dusty frost]

you still wouldn't add a column?

that's just weird

[merry knoll]

i feel @dusty frost's dump everything into a map -> serialize and dump into db - deserialize is the laziest and fastest way to get what you want

[dusty frost]

^

not really worth doing more honestly

[dense galleon]

Wdym

[dusty frost]

like your query wouldn't change

[dense galleon]

If my plugin suddently has a new setting, i'd need to add a new column to keep track of that new setting for all players no?

[merry knoll]

i think they want to dynamically select columns

[dusty frost]

you should not have a column per setting bro

[merry knoll]

depending on whats loaded

[dusty frost]

yeah i mean i get that but that's not very smart lol

[dense galleon]

What why not? How else can I have a "switch" setting

Something like show players on or off

[merry knoll]

giga settings map per player

[dusty frost]

^

[merry knoll]

that gets serialized into json

and dumped into db

[dusty frost]

it's a huge waste of space to store a boolean in a db column

especially a lot of em

[dense galleon]

Is that humanly readable though

[dusty frost]

never seen JSON? lmao

[dense galleon]

No I mean

Inside of the column itself

[merry knoll]

why are you reading dbs manually anyway

[dense galleon]

Idk it's kinda satisfying

[dusty frost]

yeah, you never seen JSON?

you just store JSON in the db column lmao

[dense galleon]

How will a Json fit in such a small space

[dusty frost]

what lol

[tight junco]

[merry knoll]

[torpid raft]

wha

[tight junco]

you could store it in bytes if you must, human readability matters nothing very little

[dense galleon]

I'm just going to sleep, I'm either getting a psychosis or what I am doing is beyond human comprehension in this instant

[tight junco]

its psychosis

[dusty frost]

yea what lol

i think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what a database is lol

you can just like, store a string in there

most DBs also have dedicated JSON types

[dense galleon]

not me getting a first in my database module last year

I know what you meant, I just don't like how a stored json would look like in a database interface

I am aware there is a million better ways to go about most of this stuff, and that what I want to do is not the most efficient or smartest, it's just a challenge I am setting myself

[dusty frost]

it would look pretty printed lol

[dense galleon]

And I was struggling to grasp how to implement a registration system for the map

[dusty frost]

like JSON does

[terse osprey]

JSON 🤢 , .txt with scanners 😎

[dusty frost]

when you read it

[tight junco]

i challenge myself to jump off a bridge

[merry knoll]

i went and read why this is

[tight junco]

might not be efficient but its a challenge

[merry knoll]

and sql stores bools as 8 bit? like why

[dusty frost]

yea

everything is byte sized yk

[dense galleon]

How significant is that though

[merry knoll]

each bool takes 8x the size it needs to

effectively

does it matter for your use case? probably not

[dense galleon]

a byte each, I'd need like a million users to feel that

[dusty frost]

i mean yeah but just the overhead

having like a hundred columns and stuff is way worse

[dense galleon]

I know I could store the json but I just find it way cleaner to separate the data per column even if it occupies more space

[dusty frost]

a compact single-column serialization format for the supremely non-relational data you're storing is the way to go

[dusty frost]

i mean it's just not a smart way to do it lol

you're not storing relational data

in a relational database

[merry knoll]

i mean they are doing relational data

they just wanna put all of the data in one place for some reason

[dusty frost]

i mean singular settings aren't very relational lol

[torpid raft]

i wouldnt consider it relational yeah

[dusty frost]

the plugin partitioning is just organizational

[torpid raft]

where are the relations?!!

[dusty frost]

doesn't make it relational

[dense galleon]

It's not a singular place, i'd be splitting the data manually between tables based on their use instead of based on what plugin they come from

[dusty frost]

wtf lol

[dense galleon]

I give up

[dusty frost]

that is so not a good idea lol

[dense galleon]

I'll just try figuring it out myself and see what happens

[dusty frost]

i mean if you want some inspiration, look at how like GTA Online does it

they load like 500MB of JSON at startup for a bunch of stuff

if they can get away with it, you surely can lol

[dense galleon]

All this talk is just making me more confused

[merry knoll]

didnt they have like an issue where they were going through the whole file each time

causing 10 min load times

[dusty frost]

yea something like that lol

[dense galleon]

Why is it not a good idea to store data based on its use instead of where it came from, if it all goes through the same plugin anyway and is all stored in the same plugin roof

Too*

[dusty frost]

it's not a good idea to make a bunch of random tables lol

[dense galleon]

They’re not random though

[merry knoll]

then you have plugins that circularly depend on each other as well

[dusty frost]

the whole point of this "core" plugin is consolidation and centralization

[dusty frost]

They are in terms of the relational schema

[merry knoll]

i never got the point of core plugins

isnt going modular way better anyway

[dusty frost]

I didn't either lol, but people seem to like em

[dense galleon]

I like the idea of keeping as much common code inside of a core plugin

[merry knoll]

i get putting all shared dependencies

[dusty frost]

nah I just use the Spigot library loader

[dense galleon]

I got a crap ton of util methods in there as well

[dusty frost]

gonna swap to the Paper library loader soon and use a locally hosted mirror and everything

[dense galleon]

Hence I want that core plugin to do all the database stuff and store all the data for all plugins too

[dusty frost]

I mean yeah you don't seem to have very relational data lol

like you just want a per-user map essentially it seems

[merry knoll]

mongo would be ideal honestly

[dusty frost]

which would be best served with yeah a non-relational databse

but if it must be MySQL or adjacent, then a JSON column would work wonders

[tight junco]

i make a new database for each player

[merry knoll]

its driver is effectively an orm as well

so you dont need to touch anything either

[tight junco]

9f7cf461-903f-4ef8-8a88-bdbc49806364.db goes hard

[dense galleon]

Is it not relational cause it’s too few tables that aren’t really related to each other other than the primary key?

[dusty frost]

It's not relational because that's not relational data lol

[merry knoll]

its not relational because its not relational

[dusty frost]

it's all just miscellaneous key-value pairs namespaced per user

[dense galleon]

You guys are really

[dense galleon]

Good at explaining

[tight junco]

hot sexy fly and beautiful

yes we are

[dusty frost]

I mean like I don't know how else to describe it lol

[dense galleon]

(Forgot to turn off ping on my phone sorry)

[dusty frost]

like it just isn't the right kind of data to be stored in a relational database lol

It doesn't use the strengths of the design at all

[dense galleon]

The String in the maps would be the name of the column

And the value would be the value

Map*

[dusty frost]

Yeah that's key-value data

Not relational

[dense galleon]

But how’s that different than a plugin having 10 different columns with values

[dusty frost]

I mean the point is the relations between the tables

Key-value user setting data is never going to be relational

[torpid raft]

it's not! relational would be more like making queries that stretch across multiple tables

[dense galleon]

I don’t get how 10 plugins having 10 separate tables with key value pairs would be more relational than 10 plugins using 5 tables all together

[dusty frost]

I mean it's not

[dense galleon]

I don’t really know what the application of that would be

[dusty frost]

lmao

[dense galleon]

In my plugins at least

[dusty frost]

yeah yet another MongoDB would be better

if you don't even know what relational data is then you probably shouldn't be using a relational database

[dense galleon]

I can see how it could be useful in other real world applications but for Minecraft plugins I don’t really get it

[merry knoll]

in your case what you gain is modularity

[dusty frost]

Like for instance, say you have a train network. You would have a table for Train, a table for Passenger, a table for Station, a table for TrainRide, etc.

[merry knoll]

arbitrarily bundling data is just a bad idea

[dusty frost]

and they all interconnect very well

[dense galleon]

Yeah I know how it can apply in the real world

[dusty frost]

I mean I've literally done that exact scenario lol

[dense galleon]

I just don’t get how it applies to a Minecraft server though

[dusty frost]

for a train plugin I wrote for fast travel

and then later I realized how overengineered it was, and just moved to yaml configuration and storing ride data in JSON blobs

[torpid raft]

again consider using redis instead of a relational db 😏 or like etcd

[dense galleon]

I don’t want to rewrite half my stuff to switch to something else fml 🥲

[dusty frost]

etcd 💀

I mean Mongo would literally be perfect for this lol

could easily dynamically add columns, etc.

[dense galleon]

Is that a bad thing? Using mongo?

[dusty frost]

I mean for this not really

Especially if it's just for your own stuff, then it's basically perfect

[dense galleon]

It feels like a downgrade

[dusty frost]

It's a major upgrade for the data you want to store lol

You wouldn't need to dynamically migrate new columns and shit

you literally just store JSON raw and it loves it

[dense galleon]

(I don’t want to store raw jsons… :,,,)

[dusty frost]

You probably should be lol

That's the kind of data you have

[torpid raft]

why not

[dusty frost]

{
  "flag": true,
  "username": "fjdklafjslk",
  "otherFlag": false,
}``` etc,

[dense galleon]

Is Mongo a solution to my stubbornness or a solution to my server ecosystem

That’s what I mean

[dusty frost]

a non-relational database is the best way to store non-relational data

and based on what you have been saying, it seems like you will not be having any relational data any time soon lol

[dense galleon]

Are non-relational databases looked down upon or something? I don’t wanna be at a point in a few months where I heavily regret using mongo and seeing people being like “omg he used mongo what an idiot”

(It’s happened in the modding community a lot, stuff like this)

[dusty frost]

I mean a little bit

But Mongo has grown a lot since the olden days

and like, I heavily abuse Redis for my server stuff

[dense galleon]

(Where I’d be told to use api X or library Y and then weeks later be told that it sucks etc)

[dusty frost]

I mean the kind of stuff you're storing doesn't benefit from the strict constraints of a relational database

[merry knoll]

if you want to do heavy queries over data = sql

[dusty frost]

so freeing yourself from that, either through a JSON column or through Mongo, would improve your life lol

[merry knoll]

otherwise stuff like mongo works fine

[dusty frost]

yeah like you're not going to be having millions of rows or anything

[dense galleon]

Is there a library similar to Hilary for mongo?

Hikari lmao

[dusty frost]

the MongoDB connector library already does connection pooling

https://www.mongodb.com/docs/drivers/java/sync/current/

[torpid raft]

people will say this about what you use regardless of what it is

[north robin]

is the best way to store persistent data through restarts PersistentDataContainers or something else like config files?

[hoary scarab]

Players, entities and some blocks have PDC

[north robin]

i wanted to store bounty amounts of players and top bounty claimers but i also wanna access it when theyre offline so i could either store that stuff on the world or use something else

[hoary scarab]

Bounty amount could be stored PDC but for everything you want to access offline I would go with files or DB

[north robin]

alright

[dense galleon]

Online I am reading a lot of people shitting on MongoDB, are we sure that is really what I need to use

Nah never mind I'm not using MongoDB, too many people seem to say it's bad

[mellow pond]

Are you making a public plugin?

[dense galleon]

nah

it's a 'core' plugin for other plugins on my server

[warm steppe]

How is it bad

[merry knoll]

what you are currently doing is way worse than people claim mongo is lol

mongo is "bad" because people are lazy and cant be arsed to set up proper relational schemas

[dense galleon]

I think I will end up having a table per plugin

I have figured out how to set up a registry system for data types

I will simply have PlayerData in my core plugin store all player data for all plugins, and additionally my core plugin will create the tables for each plugin itself and also insert the data for each plugin

Is it safe to do JavaPlugin.equals(JavaPlugin)?

There should be only ever one instance of each JavaPlugin right?

[sterile hinge]

The question is, why would you need that?

[dense galleon]

I mean sorry

it would be plugin1.equals(plugin2)

I have a list containing objects that use the plugin they come from and a string as an identifier

And to check for duplicates I check if the two objects come from the same plugin and have the same string

[sterile hinge]

Should be enough to check the name, the server can’t load two plugins with the same name

Though with reloading, any aspect of that might break randomly

[dense galleon]

Yeah I know I can check the names, but I'm wondering if checking the objects themselves works too?

It should right as only one instance of each plugin can exist

[regal oak]

how i can send a fake packet on tablist? (i could send a screenshot but cant)

[dusky harness]

Can always check source :))

[merry knoll]

you can compare object references without issue as long as they are the same object

[ionic violet]

Is deluxe-tags open source?

I was hoping to change the command from /tags to /titles, do some text changes, and add buffs to players when they have certain tags equipped.

I think the third one can be done with another plugin

[broken elbow]

1. No
2. For /titles command, you can use the bukkit commands.yml file to create an alias and maybe block the /tags command.
3. What messages exactly? I thought all plugin messages are editable in DeluxeTags.
4. Probably what you said.

[ionic violet]

Thanks I will look at it and I think your are right about 3. I will dive into the messages config.

Any idea which plugin would be able to do number 4?

[broken elbow]

no

[river solstice]

would probably have to have a custom plugin for buffs

[broken elbow]

at least for the listener of tags changing.

yeah

[ionic violet]

I see...thanks!

[river solstice]

or write your own placeholder for the tag, that parses the current DT placeholder for the active tag and apply effects by using the returned value from DT

[ionic violet]

I definitely think that would be the way to go XD

it would still be nice to be able to listen for the event though

[dense galleon]

How can I check database performance?

Before I figure out how to optimize my code I wanna make sure it is worth optimizing yk

[broken elbow]

Well, I mean, determine what are the worst case scenarios, and test them

[dusky harness]

Also wdym check dB performance? Like the query times?

[torpid raft]

check decibel performance

[pulsar ferry]

Are you having issues? That's what you should be asking, if there is no notable issues you probably don't need to optimize

[digital temple]

Does anyone know about the Maven shade plugin? I have a problem that my relocations don't work. Does anyone have an idea what I could have done wrong here? The specified packages from my side have been created. Nbtapi and inventory framework are not relocating

<plugin>
    <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
    <artifactId>maven-shade-plugin</artifactId>
    <version>3.2.4</version>
    <executions>
        <execution>
            <phase>package</phase>
            <goals>
                <goal>shade</goal>
            </goals>
            <configuration>
                <filters>
                    <filter>
                        <artifact>*:*</artifact>
                        <excludes>
                            <exclude>META-INF/*.SF</exclude>
                            <exclude>META-INF/*.DSA</exclude>
                            <exclude>META-INF/*.RSA</exclude>
                        </excludes>
                    </filter>
                </filters>
                <relocations>
                    <relocation>
                        <pattern>de.tr7zw.2.12.2.nbtapi</pattern>
                        <shadedPattern>de.lightplugins.skyblock.nbtapi</shadedPattern>
                    </relocation>
                    <relocation>
                        <pattern>me.devnatan</pattern>
                        <shadedPattern>de.lightplugins.skyblock.invframework</shadedPattern>
                    </relocation>
                </relocations>
            </configuration>
        </execution>
    </executions>
</plugin>

[pulsar ferry]

What task are you running to build the jar?

[digital temple]

i used the intellij builder

[pulsar ferry]

You are using maven you need to build with maven, run mvn clean package to shade

The jar should be put in the target folder

[digital temple]

can i share here pictures throw links ?

[neat pier]

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[digital temple]

https://prnt.sc/ZXzmtnPultWw
got the error Unsupported class file major version 60

[ionic violet]

Oh also I wanted to ask does DeluxeTags provide events that I can listen for?

[broken elbow]

I'm pretty sure it does not

[digital temple]

it says that im using java 16 for no reason

i build it with java 17

[pulsar ferry]

You might need to update the shade and compile plugin to a version that supports java 16

Use a paste and send your entire pom

[digital temple]

https://hastebin.com/share/gosijegawi.xml

[pulsar ferry]

That looks incomplete

[digital temple]

mhh ? what is missing

is it, because i installed java 19 on the my maschine ?

[pulsar ferry]

That's the end for me, it's missing more plugins, and even it's not closing the plugins and build blocks

[digital temple]

lol, good job hastebin ...

[pulsar ferry]

https://pastes.dev/

[digital temple]

https://pastes.dev/4zH1rK95OK

[pulsar ferry]

For some reason you don't have the compile plugin in there

[digital temple]

i try to change the JAVA_HOME path to jdk 17

no success ._.

[pulsar ferry]

Add this block to your plugins https://pastes.dev/jxRmeU1bJG

Oh wait

it does have it, ignore me lol

Update the version to 3.12.2

instead of 3.8.1

And shade plugin to 3.5.1

[digital temple]

Cannot resolve plugin org.apache.maven.plugins:maven-compiler-plugin:3.12.2

<plugin>
    <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId>
    <artifactId>maven-compiler-plugin</artifactId>
    <version>3.12.2</version>
    <configuration>
        <source>17</source>
        <target>17</target>
    </configuration>
</plugin>

[pulsar ferry]

Try 3.12.1

[digital temple]

worked

maven in a nutshell haha

[pulsar ferry]

Yeah :')

Is it compiling fine now?

[digital temple]

[INFO] BUILD SUCCESS
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------
[INFO] Total time:  2.056 s
[INFO] Finished at: 2024-02-20T20:49:32+01:00
[INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------`

yes

[pulsar ferry]

Huge ;p

[digital temple]

thanks Matt ♥

[ionic violet]

Dang that means ill have to set a timer that parses and updates the titles for buffs

rip

[digital temple]

alrtight, build succeed but get this error on startup xd

https://pastes.dev/fJY82vAiMn

[pulsar ferry]

Make sure you're getting the right jar, I haven't used maven in a while but it might create 2 jars, take the bigger one

[digital temple]

its now 5 mn, way to huge i guess

[dusky harness]

i see you're using 1.20; if inventory framework, hikaricp, mariadb, and slf4j are on maven central, you can use spigot libraries system

spigot downloads it automatically, so your plugin doesn't need to shade it

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/spigot-bungeecord-1-17-1-17-1.510208/#post-4184317

a super nice feature but not very well known

[broken elbow]

wasn't it like super bad when it came to different versions of the same library?

[dusky harness]

oh not sure
I also just remembered that it breaks maven central tos or smth

🥲

[dusky harness]

i think bc it separates the classloaders and stuff it should be fine? but idk

[dense galleon]

Does changing the name tag of a player require packets?

[dusky harness]

can't you change the player's displayname

[dense galleon]

Yeah but that changes the chat name

Not the death message/above head name

[dusky harness]

death message? that'll probably involve a listener
for head name, yeah ig probably packets

[terse osprey]

I tried to do this recently, under @ Emily’s guidance I ended up settling on adding a TextDisplay as a passenger to the player

[dusky harness]

or something with scoreboard maybe?

[dense galleon]

I see so there isn't an easy way to do it

[dusky harness]

oh

[terse osprey]

No, I tried for quite awhile with the NMS route (I prefer nms for certain applications) but don’t remember what exactly the issue I ran into. Plus this method allows you to add multiple lines without much more hassle if you want

[dense galleon]

I see

[terse osprey]

There are some extra handlers you’ll have to add for this application off the top of my head

1. Add to player on load in
2. Remove from player on exit
3. Remove and re-add when a player tries to TP (you can’t teleport if you have passengers)

But one bright side, TextDisplays can’t be seen through walls (on Java)

[turbid hornet]

how save and load a hashmap

public HashMap<Player, Integer> data = new HashMap<>();

[minor summit]

I'm famous

[rugged bane]

Can I have your autograph?

[rugged bane]

I’d do..

public Map<Player, Integer> data = new HashMap();

[turbid hornet]

😐

[broken elbow]

chose a database you want to use and google how to save data to "x" database using java

[digital temple]

and make sure to use async functions for database related stuff

[turbid hornet]

no i need save hashmaps

[broken elbow]

save them where?

[digital temple]

your hash map is saved only in memory. If you restart your server the list is empty

[turbid hornet]

in a custome config file

for example data.yml

[digital temple]

so just do it xd

[broken elbow]

well then you have chosen your database. your database are yaml files

https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+save+data+to+yaml+files+in+java

[digital temple]

he can just use FileConfiguration from bukkit

[turbid hornet]

and how create a permanent database

[digital temple]

first you must create your data.yml

[dusky harness]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/save-load-data-files/
edit: oh this isn't a yml file
hold on i know theres a yml one
https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/config-files/#using-custom-configurations
this one

[digital temple]

and load this file on server start

[turbid hornet]

What is easy treatment and the best database?

[digital temple]

best database is still mysql

[turbid hornet]

how create this with intelij?

[digital temple]

you need the mariadb driver first, then you can use for example hikaricp

https://github.com/brettwooldridge/HikariCP

[dusky harness]

ummmm I wouldn't recommend that right now

[digital temple]

I don't know how much experience he has with programming tbh, but i always recommend to use hikari as datasource

[pulsar ferry]

No final? 😔

[digital temple]

if its finlal, he cant change the values inside

[dusky harness]

final just means you can't reassign the variable

[digital temple]

oh you got right, i missreaded the last answer xd

[pulsar ferry]

The variable is final, the map is mutable, you can't reasign it, but you can still put/remove, etc

[rugged bane]

Good spot 🫣

[digital temple]

alright i tested the libaries from spigot.
InvFramework is working. But i cant figure out what librarie is for nbtapi

libraries:
  - me.devnatan:inventory-framework-platform-paper:3.1.0-rc
  - de.tr7zw:item-nbt-api-plugin:2.12.2

[dusky harness]

it only works if it's on maven central

which nbtapi isn't

[digital temple]

its on maven
https://github.com/tr7zw/Item-NBT-API/wiki/Using-Maven

alright saw this Add the API as dependency to your plugin.yml

[dusky harness]

maven central repo
basically, if it specifies a custom repository, it won't work

[dusky harness]

that's just the softdepend/depend stuff

[digital temple]

so i must install nbtapi on the server ._.

[dusky harness]

if you want 🤷 or you can shade it like how you're doing rn

[dusky harness]

the other libraries mentioned here should work though

i think most, if not all of those are on maven central

[digital temple]

alright, then i still shade nbtapi

btw what is changeme in <pattern>de.tr7zw.changeme.nbtapi</pattern> ? ill think maybe the version ?

[dusky harness]

it's just a reminder to change it

since you should relocate all the libraries you shade into its own package

[dusky harness]

scroll to the bottom here

[digital temple]

yep, but i should changeme replace with the current version ?

[dusky harness]

nono keep it as changeme

[digital temple]

thats confusing haha

[worn jasper]

In theory it is, Paper Plugin Loaders also provide this feature, but way better since you can add your own repos while still only downloading them on load.

[digital temple]

What is the best inventory framework out there ?

i found https://github.com/DevNatan/inventory-framework and https://github.com/stefvanschie/IF

[worn jasper]

triumph-guis

[digital temple]

ohh maven central ._.

[worn jasper]

?

[digital temple]

it has maven central repo

mhh last update 4 months ago

any other inv frameworks out there ?

[worn jasper]

th does that have to do with if a library is good or not lmao?

[dusky harness]

if theres no bugs then it doesn't need constant updating :)

[worn jasper]

^^

[digital temple]

thats true

i found another one with an intellij plugin that show the live gui in the IDE
https://github.com/Simplix-Softworks/Cirrus

[dusky harness]

wouldn't that mean hardcoded menus tho 🤔

[digital temple]

that looks interresting

[dusky harness]

but thats cool

[worn jasper]

yesish

[digital temple]

no you create a config and see the results in real time

[dusky harness]

ah

[worn jasper]

the main shitty thing is that it's all json

aka not that user friendly to the common minecraft

[digital temple]

oh hell, yes ._.

but its cool anyways

[worn jasper]

I recall telling matt about this xD

meanwhile I am still debating my life if I should use PacketEvents or ProtocolLib

[digital temple]

uii found another one https://github.com/NichtStudioCode/InvUI

[digital temple]

protocolLib <.<

[dusky harness]

i think protocollib is already pretty well used

[worn jasper]

ngl ProtocolLib is in almost 50k servers, would assume most servers have it

[dusky harness]

theres also tinysomething

i think

but theres a lot of manual stuff that you have to do i think

[worn jasper]

yeah but my main concerns is that it requires to be installed (if the user doesn't have it already)

[dusky harness]

mhm

[worn jasper]

and well, they still haven't released a 1.20.4 build

[digital temple]

lol how does this works 😮 https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9d584805537e685cbfa78409904e62bde0ecc4732e335acb6b65f408bf9c3777/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f7561716a4853532e676966

[worn jasper]

only dev builds

[worn jasper]

texture packs

and packets

[dusky harness]

https://camo.githubusercontent.com/9d584805537e685cbfa78409904e62bde0ecc4732e335acb6b65f408bf9c3777/68747470733a2f2f692e696d6775722e636f6d2f7561716a4853532e676966

[worn jasper]

it opens a normal anvil and uses the player's inventory as a GUI

[dusky harness]

oh cmon discord

☹️

[worn jasper]

probably using packets

since it's the best way

[digital temple]

it looks nice tbh

[worn jasper]

https://imgur.com/a/RB6qSo7

[dusky harness]

what-

how

oh

[worn jasper]

magic

xD

[digital temple]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

[dusky harness]

🪄

[digital temple]

cant use even gifs ._.

[worn jasper]

wait a damn minute

[dusky harness]

waiting

👍

[worn jasper]

I don't have react perms

😭

[digital temple]

i have no gif perms ._.

[worn jasper]

suppose that's a tier 6 or 7 thing

[dusky harness]

hehehehehehehehe

[worn jasper]

you get them at tier 3? if I am not mistaken

[dusky harness]

?roleperks

[neat pier]

FAQ Answer:

https://paste.helpch.at/ifomeqolan.sql

Requested by: dkim19375 • roleperks

[digital temple]

thats not fair :((

[worn jasper]

tier 2

[dusky harness]

it doesn't say 🥲

[worn jasper]

yeah lmao

tf

[digital temple]

Embed links in most channels

[worn jasper]

why did it react +1 and -1

lol

[dusky harness]

barry is judging me ☹️

[worn jasper]

boosters get the most benefits

fair enough

either way

yeah I will just switch to ProtocolLib and use packetwrapper too lmao

[digital temple]

ill think i buy some boosters for pay2win 🤡

[dusky harness]

both? 💀

[worn jasper]

my project has been waiting for a version in modrinth and hangar lmao

[worn jasper]

wdym?

https://github.com/lukalt/PacketWrapper

^^

[dusky harness]

ohhh

thought you said packetevents

oops

[worn jasper]

xD

some people use both 💀

[dusky harness]

btw i wouldn't recommend using it directly since its outdated on some stuff

but u can use as reference

[worn jasper]

that's one of the things I fking love about packetevents

😭

if it wasn't for that ONE single bug I have with packetevents

[dusky harness]

what bug is it?

👀

[worn jasper]

I am too dumb to fix, my knowledge is very limited packetwise

[worn jasper]

https://github.com/retrooper/packetevents/issues/679

[dusky harness]

Skyslycer 🥲

wasn't expecting a helpchat member to respond

[digital temple]

so here we go again, but thit time with booster ._.

[worn jasper]

had hopes

[worn jasper]

think he answered cause I was complaining the other day

xd

[dusky harness]

oh lol

[worn jasper]

imagine you still don't get embed perms

xD

but yeah it's something about it being an NBT chat component and not json chat component?

[digital temple]

its a scam :((

[worn jasper]

at least that's what I got told

[dusky harness]

Expected nbt type STRING, read INT
not a very specific error ☹️

[worn jasper]

^^

[dusky harness]

idk

[worn jasper]

that's what I got told by a guy in their discord

[digital temple]

if we are talk about protocolLib, anyone has experienced with it ?

[worn jasper]

although that seems a bit odd

[dusky harness]

🙋‍♂️

[worn jasper]

since this would imply ALL components are encoded with NBT

which doesn't explain the fact this only happens with /give

lmao

[digital temple]

ok i have a challange for you

[worn jasper]

I mean, I was using it before switching to packetevents

[digital temple]

i created a virtu sign for inputs throw protocolLib. But predefined lines are not written. The virtu sign is emty.
You know where the problem is ?

// Set the location of the sign
location = player.getLocation();
location.setY(location.getBlockY() - 4);  //  -4 offset because the sign should under the player

// Create and send the sign block change
player.sendBlockChange(location, Material.OAK_SIGN.createBlockData());

// Set the text for the sign
String[] signText = new String[4];  // maybe String[3] is working ?!
for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++) {
    signText[i] = color(text.get(i)); // Assuming color method is defined elsewhere
}
player.sendSignChange(location, signText);

[worn jasper]

I mean, he already said this but I am too impatient lmao

[worn jasper]

why via packets?

[digital temple]

yes

[worn jasper]

you can easily do that with the api

[dusky harness]

Oh
Sorry afk for a bit

[worn jasper]

unsure what that has todo with packets

[digital temple]

easly haha then explain how i dot this. I tested it many hours with no success

[worn jasper]

:-:

[digital temple]

public final class Menu {

    private final List<String> text;

    private BiPredicate<Player, String[]> response;
    private boolean reopenIfFail;

    private Location location;

    private boolean forceClose;

    Menu(List<String> text) {
        this.text = text;
    }

    public Menu reopenIfFail(boolean value) {
        this.reopenIfFail = value;
        return this;
    }

    public Menu response(BiPredicate<Player, String[]> response) {
        this.response = response;
        return this;
    }

    /**
     * Open the sign GUI for the player
     *
     * @param player the player to open the sign GUI for
     */
    public void open(Player player) {
        // Ensure player is not null
        Objects.requireNonNull(player, "player");

        // Return if the player is not online
        if (!player.isOnline()) {
            return;
        }

        // Set the location of the sign
        location = player.getLocation();
        location.setY(location.getBlockY() - 4);  //  -4 offset because the sign should under the player

        // Create and send the sign block change
        player.sendBlockChange(location, Material.OAK_SIGN.createBlockData());

        // Set the text for the sign
        String[] signText = new String[4];  // maybe String[3] is working ?!
        for (int i = 0; i < 3; i++) {
            signText[i] = color(text.get(i)); // Assuming color method is defined elsewhere
        }
        player.sendSignChange(location, signText);

        // Create and send the packet to open the sign editor
        PacketContainer openSign = ProtocolLibrary.getProtocolManager().createPacket(PacketType.Play.Server.OPEN_SIGN_EDITOR);
        BlockPosition position = new BlockPosition(location.getBlockX(), location.getBlockY(), location.getBlockZ());
        openSign.getBlockPositionModifier().write(0, position);
        ProtocolLibrary.getProtocolManager().sendServerPacket(player, openSign);

        // Add the player and this sign to the inputs map
        inputs.put(player, this);
    }

    public void close(Player player, boolean force) {
        this.forceClose = force;
        if (player.isOnline()) {
            player.closeInventory();
        }
    }

    public void close(Player player) {
        close(player, false);
    }

    private String color(String input) {
        return Main.colorTranslation.hexTranslation(input);
    }
}

here the current methode to create a "Menu" (virtu sign)

[worn jasper]

ah shit I confused it with smt else

uhm, so it opens without the text?

[digital temple]

yep, the input etc is working all the way fine. But the predefined lines are not writing

[worn jasper]

I know that if you have a Sign object, there is a setLine method

so in theory you could place a random sign anywhere in the world, set the lines and open it to the player?

[digital temple]

I read something about it, but the sign is physically there

I also read something about the fact that the sign is too far away and the text cannot be rendered

[worn jasper]

unsure

haven't messed much with signs

[digital temple]

in the old versions its working fine. But the newest updates, where you can write both sides of signs are not working.

[dense galleon]

I figured out that whole database mess thingy I was talking about yesterday haha

I've created a monster

😈

Star and Aki are gonna claw their eyes out

[worn jasper]

that reminds me that I gotta finish my SQL library

[dark garnet]

this is still happening to me 😭 ping if reply

this is a screenshot of the database, everything appears to match up
what i dont understand is why there is both a TARGET and target column

[minor summit]

The error with code 42103 is thrown when trying to query, modify or drop a table or view that does not exists in this schema and database but similar names were found

[minor summit]

idk depends on how you initially defined the table

[west socket]

Anyone know how to prevent popups like this from happening?

https://imgur.com/a/8T1dTn1

[dusky harness]

ah reminds me of the classic "Destroy the tree" message

[west socket]

Some servers seem to have it disabled, so I assume that it can be done

Just not sure how

And oddly enough google yields like no results for it

[dusky harness]

what if you just give the player wood for one tick

lol

(you don't actually have to break it)

[west socket]

Well this one is different as you can see

[dusky harness]

oh

🤦

sorry I have the memory of a goldfish

[west socket]

All good

I’m thinking it might be something in the world file?

[dusky harness]

I don't think it's server-side

although I haven't checked

[west socket]

I mean you must be able to control it somehow

Because it doesn’t happen at all on hypixel

And most large servers

[dusky harness]

u sure? 🤨
if u like make a backup of your .minecraft folder and launch with empty does it happen

bc the client could store the data based off server ip

[west socket]

Still happens

[dusky harness]

huh

wait like

still happens = pops up?

(on hypixel)

[west socket]

Does not pop up on hypixel

[dusky harness]

oh huh

maybe setup a protocollib packet listener or smth
still would be a bit surprised if it is server side tho

[west socket]

Yeah

I’ll try that

Only strange packet I see is "UPDATE_ATTRIBUTES"

[dusky harness]

took me a bit to figure out for the first time but you can setup ProtocolLib to listen to all packets

and its data

PacketType.something.getInstance().values() or something
and i dont remember how to get & print its data 🥲 (but its possible)

[west socket]

Im just using my own packet injector

[dusky harness]

oh

[west socket]

Let me get all the data

[dusky harness]

alr
plz ping me if you find any results since im gonna 😴

:))

[west socket]

Cool

Ill have it done in like 2m

[west socket]

https://paste.helpch.at/bedupiyeye.md

Nothing helpful there

[digital temple]

Change this in your spigot.yml

advancements:
  disable-saving: true
  disabled:
  - '*'

[digital temple]

hypixel use their own server software

for the recipes you must use packets https://wiki.vg/Protocol#Update_Recipe_Book

[west socket]

That didnt seem to fix it

[digital temple]

For the advancements it worked, I’ll test it before few minutes. But the recipes you should manipulate the packets

[west socket]

Fixed it using

stats:
  disable-saving: true
  forced-stats:
    achievement:
      openInventory: 1```

Discrepancies might be because I'm running version 1.8

[digital temple]

1.8

[west socket]

lol

Say what you will, but it’s still exponentially better for large scale networks with micro instances

If mojang got their shit together and optimized their newer server jars id be using them instead

[digital temple]

hypixel has started to update from 1.8.8 to 1.20

[west socket]

Not through conventional means

They’re literally gutting the 1.20 server jar and adding features onto 1.8

One by one

[digital temple]

of course their have a own server instance

[west socket]

My point is that for my use case, using 1.8 just makes a lot more sense

But you’re perfectly valid for not wanting to go out of your way to answer questions regarding it

And I apologize for not mentioning it up front

[digital temple]

It doesn't matter, I was still looking for a solution especially for you

so no apologized needed for this :))

[west socket]

Thank you

[grand island]

Fr?

[cloud panther]

hey does, TAB have a method like "setScoreboard(player, scoreboardname)" ?

[dense drift]

Check if there is a command for that and then see what it does 🙂

[digital temple]

Yep

[dark garnet]

yeah i know. but as shown in the screenshot, the database & table & column do exist

[lusty smelt]

Hi guys if i switch from Holographidisplays to decent holograms

Can i still keep my folder of Holo?

[terse osprey]

I feel like this is something you can test faster than a response would take… but anyway no you can’t

[river solstice]

thats not exactly an advancement

the name of the thing is "toast"

not sure whether you can disable those

[dusky harness]

apparently spigot and/or minecraft calls it advancement internally 🤷

[digital temple]

already known this, but toasts are client side. But you can modify these with packets. But removing it is not possible i think

[minor summit]

the tutorial toasts are (almost) entirely client sided and it's saved in the client options file

from the server you can skip it, for example by switching the player to a non-survival gamemode

oh god this is not very server controllable

yeah no this is basically client sided unless they complete any step in any non-survival gamemode

which is still fairly client sided but at least you can control the gamemode

[signal rain]

Hey. Just curious for Papi Townychat I downloaded from Ecloud a bulk of the placeholders are blank. (The server I am on has townychat and I have tried mutliple times to have the placeholder %townychat_channel_name% save to Tc, Nc, etc) I am considering making my own Papi expansion, but I wanted to check here if others had the same issue. I parsed though papi and the placeholders are 100% blank. If you need any more info let me know.

[digital temple]

what do you mean by blank ?
did you already tried /papi parse YourName %the_placeholder% ?

[signal rain]

Yep. I downloaded the placeholder and already loaded it into papi. I ran a command relating to the plug-in the placeholder is part of. For this case it’s towny chat so I ran /tc. Then I went through a lot of the place holders. The only ones that had anything was town name and the default placeholder. I’m a bit confused why eCloud would have the placeholders and not use them hence why I’m assuming I did something wrong.
(I did run papi parse)

[lyric gyro]

Hello, i'm having a problem creating a PlaceHolder expansion in one of my plugins

may someone help me please?

[dense galleon]

In the triumph API for commands, how do you handle an optional int parameter?

[pulsar ferry]

Make it Integer and annotate it with @Optional

[dense galleon]

Cool thank you

All my plugins keep giving me an error regarding Artifacts.getInstance() being null, though I don't really get why it would be?
I have a field private static Artifacts instance, which I assign in my onEnable() with instance = this

I do this exact thing in another plugin of mine, and it works

[broken elbow]

Providing code would be helpful. Make sure that you're not getting the instance from a static block which would be called before onEnable.

[dense galleon]

The section of code which throws that exception is way after the plugin is enabled

I'll give more context in a sec sorry

[worn jasper]

would recommend using Dependency Injection

[dense galleon]

Yeah I normally do that

[worn jasper]

then why aren't you now

[river solstice]

Why arent you setting it in constructor

[dense galleon]

I need that instance inside of a static class

Which I would wanna avoid instantiating if possible

[dense galleon]

Yeah I'll do that

[worn jasper]

think the main question is why?

[dense galleon]

Well

This is a registry class which holds all references to custom items in my plugin

[worn jasper]

you can also still pass it through DI, even if it's a static class, so I don't see the issue

[dense galleon]

Each of these items requires an instance of this plugin's main class

[worn jasper]

that sounds bad in some way? why is it required?

if I may ask

[dense galleon]

Once I fix another issue with my database I will try replacing the getInstance() with DI I guess, but I remember there being multiple reasons to why I opted for that method instead of DI

[worn jasper]

so each item is a static class?

wut?

[dense galleon]

I will get back to that once I figured out this other ongoing issue sorry

NamespacedKey key1 = new NamespacedKey("test", "value");
NamespacedKey key2 = new NamespacedKey("test", "value"); 
map.put(key1, someObject);
Object obj = map.get(key2);
```Will this succesfully get `someObject`?

I think it does right? Since NamespacedKey overrides equals()?

Reading how Map#get() works

[sterile hinge]

if hashCode and equals is properly implemented for NamespacedKey and the map is a HashMap or a compatible subtype

(If map is e.g. IdentityHashMap, it won't work)

[dense galleon]

I'd say that it should work

Yeah the map is a HashMap

[lusty smelt]

Somebody that knows how i can improve hopper speed

?

[river solstice]

what

prob spigot.yml ticks-per

hopper check, hopper transfer

[terse osprey]

Listen for when a hopper is transferring items, have it message all staff members (Could also have text message implementations for the offline staff) and the staff tps to the hopper and manually transfers the items. You’re welcome be sure to leave me a rating if my answer helped you 😎 💯 🤯

[dense galleon]

Okay so: What if there is a static method inside of my main class, and in that I need to get the logger?

Should I just have an instance of my main class as a parameter

But what if this same method needs to be called by other plugins too, who don't have an instance of the plugin's main class?

That's where I feel like JavaPlugin.getInstance() makes sense

Huh

Nah what is going on actually

    public Artifacts() {
        System.out.println("New instance");
        instance = this;
    }``` I assign `instance` a value in the constructor, yet when I try using that variable in a static method in the same class later on it has a value of null?

This is the case only for that plugin

Another plugin instead has no issues with getInstance()

[dense galleon]

Am I going insane

public static final Map<NamespacedKey, ArtifactItem> ARTIFACTS = new HashMap<>(); I got this map which values I add from other mods too, and even though all those mods load after this one the map results empty?

[tight junco]

declare instance in on enable

maybe maybe not actually

[dense galleon]

I tried that too, same issue

[tight junco]

or you could do the if instance == null instance = this return instance on the getInstance method

[dense galleon]

In general, my plugin's main class seems to be having issues since both my instance field is null and ARTIFACTS is empty though other plugins add to it

Like look at this

    public static void registerArtifact(ArtifactItem item) {
        Bukkit.getLogger().info("Registering artifact: " + item.getKey());
        ARTIFACTS.put(item.getKey(), item);
    }```

Yet when I check the contents of ARTIFACTS, it results empty?

[dense galleon]

Not sure I understand what you mean

It's as if my other plugins have access to a different copy of this plugin

Ah

What happens if in my pom.xml

            <groupId>com.klyser8.github</groupId>
            <artifactId>Artifacts</artifactId>
            <version>1.0.0</version>```I did this, without the `<scope>provided</scope>` section?

Does it bundle the dependency into the plugin, resulting in effectively two copies of each class?

[proud pebble]

how are you checking if its empty or not?

also are you making sure that you depend/softdepend on your plugin?

[dense galleon]

This was the issue

So if I don't write the scope, the plugin automatically gets bundled in?

[dusky harness]

by default, the scope is compile which bundles in yeah

[dense galleon]

Yeah alright that was the problem then

How do servers create custom head textures without resource packs?

Do they just own an account which they set a skin to?

[dusky harness]

theres websites online where ppl add skins that they had (you can input a skin url too)

and then server owners add heads using that

[dense galleon]

i see

[dense galleon]

How would I go about adding a tab autocomplete/suggestion to a command, composed of a list of server names the player can teleport to (Waterfall)?

[dusty frost]

Is this command part of a proxy plugin or a backend plugin?

[dense galleon]

I think backend?

It's a paper plugin

[dusty frost]

Then you have to figure out a way of getting the list of server names that exist on the proxy into the paper plugin

[dense galleon]

I'd imagine a bungeecord plugin which would check every so often what servers are available and sends that info to a paper plugin?

[dusty frost]

I mean either way you'd have to have something on the proxy to actually swap the people between the servers

So you might as well just have that command as part of the proxy plugin directly

then you can just access the list of servers directly from memory no communication required

[dense galleon]

I already have a command to switch between servers

[dusky harness]

https://www.spigotmc.org/wiki/bukkit-bungee-plugin-messaging-channel/#getservers

maybe this would work
(caching the server names)

[dense galleon]

not sure if that's significant

[dusty frost]

in a paper plugin?

[dense galleon]

yeah

[dusty frost]

how does that work

[dense galleon]

I registered an outgoing channel I guess

I did this like a year ago I honestly dont remember

[dusty frost]

oh very weird

well then yeah what dkim said

[dense galleon]

I got a method saveDataAndSendPlayerToServer which saves the data of the player asynchronously and then sends them to the target server once the data has been stored on the DB

[dusty frost]

oh yeah you're doing the player data system

you should have a look at HuskSync

it's open source, it's what I use on my network for cross-server player data

uses Redis for super fast caching time and a DB to persist, super great

it also doesn't directly integrate with sending players, it just listens to PlayerLeave/PlayerJoin events so it works with everything

much less fragile

[dense galleon]

I just finished writing my player data system though

And it seems to work pretty well?

[dusty frost]

oh I mean yeah I guess

I would still recommend listening to PlayerLeave/PlayerJoin events

instead of having a specific send thing

[dense galleon]

Yeah that's what I do too

[dusty frost]

oh

[dense galleon]

The send thing is for a specific command

[dusty frost]

so what's the point of this method then

[dense galleon]

It just makes sure that the player's data is saved before they get sent to another server through the command

[dusty frost]

oh is your thing not fast enough to just save and load from the time between playerjoin/playerleave

[dense galleon]

It should be, I honestly don't remember why I wrote it a year ago

but I remember adding it as a failsafe

[dusty frost]

okay well

kinda weird but anyways, what dkim said should work for you

[dense galleon]

Yeah looking into it

[dense galleon]

Not completely sure how I'd use that tbh, as out.writeUTF("GetServers") doesn't return anything

[dusty frost]

you send it through the BungeeCord channel

look at the top of that page

[dusky harness]

i wonder if anyone made a bungee plugin messaging wrapper that supports callbacks 🤔
edit: https://github.com/Flo0/BungeeCallback

[dusky harness]

but yeah you send it through the channel and then have to have a listener to receive the messages

[dense galleon]

I swear that is not how I did it for this other one I got :' )

[dusty frost]

I mean that's the Bungee plugin messaging lol

[dusty frost]

same as whatever this is

[dense galleon]

This is what was trying to do haha

Am I meant to write that code elsewhere, and then in there write the listener?

[dusky harness]

main suggestion: you should run this every x minutes in an async task and cache the value
also, #development message & #development message

other notes:
I'd recommend using try with resources (https://www.baeldung.com/java-try-with-resources)
and the error in the middle is probably due to not using 14+ (pattern matching smart casts)

[dense galleon]

Yeah well

It doesnt work as I am not returning a list

Changed it to try with resources, though yeah I think something is fundamentally wrong with how I am doing it rn haha

I just don't really know where I should be listening and sending the list of servers

[dusky harness]

you should probably have like an AtomicReference<List<String>> serverNames which you get from the task (atomic bc ur accessing from multiple threads)

oh and maybe update the list on player join if the serverNames is empty

[dense galleon]

What are those two you linked haha

But yeah alright I will do that tomorrow then, gotta sleep

Thanks for your course correction haha

[dusky harness]

its just message links from earlier in the convo
but alr, good night! 😴 😴 🛏️

[signal rain]

Do you have any theory or should I make the relational placeholder.

[signal rain]

:O it’s been a bit.

[tight junco]

it has

[spring crescent]

Okay guys, so I have a plugin I'm starting on, and I need some advice on setting up a database. I can't seem to figure out what columns and tables that I need to support the features that I'm looking for. I'll preface this by stating I've started a repository, with a readme that basically explains what the plugin is and how it functions. https://github.com/mkaulfers/hardcore-seasons/tree/main

I need to track user-created inventory content in a database, as well as any players that have joined, are surviving, or have been banned due to death. The goal is, at the end of the season, when all but one or all but X number of configured survivors are remaining and the season ends, they can redeem those resources on a separate server, eg. survival or skyblock. I need to be sure that I handle the case where a user survives, but doesn't immediately redeem their rewards. For example, if season 1 ends, and season 2 ends, a player from season 1 should be able to redeem their resource earnings at any time. In effect, I should be able to track multiple seasons simultaneously.

I started working out some of those details via pseudo-code in comments, which you can checkout here: https://github.com/mkaulfers/hardcore-seasons/blob/main/src/main/java/com/xtwistedx/storage/SQLHandler.java#L66
I also want it to be somewhat scalable for future features I have planned, so abstraction is somewhat important.

[dreamy wave]

I dont know if this is the place for it.
But if I have a placeholder for %player% does the Plugin that its coded into auto download it or does the Server Owner have to?
If it comes down to the Server Owner has to; Is there a way to have the Plugin auto download the Library of PLAYER?

[dusky harness]

the plugin has to support %player% in its code

also:

[neat pier]

FAQ Answer:

Player placeholder not working? If you are using a plugin which supports PlaceholderAPI, and the %player% placeholder doesn't work, then change it to %player_name% and download the player expansion.
Commands:
/papi ecloud download player
/papi reload

Requested by: dkim19375 • player

[dusky harness]

if you mean %player_name%, then I think it just relies on the server owner; I don't think you can auto download

[dreamy wave]

Well this is my first time using PAPI and I wanna start using Placeholder support in my configs n what not, just dont want there to be errors cause the Owner has to Download the eCloud of PLAYER
So if I direct %player% to the players display name / name then it should just work and nothing has to be downloaded?

[dusky harness]

yea

but I'd still add PAPI in case the user wants to do other placeholders as well

[dreamy wave]

of course.

Thank you for your response 🙂

[bleak arch]

Hi

I have a problem

[spring crescent]

Nice

[terse osprey]

Sorry to hear man

[bleak arch]

org.bukkit.command.Command still exists in spigot 1.20.4?

[spring crescent]

Docs... my dude

[bleak arch]

When I try to put that version it tells me that that part of bukkit does not exist but in 1.20.1 it works for me

Im confused :/

[spring crescent]

It exists https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/command/Command.html

[terse osprey]

https://hub.spigotmc.org/javadocs/spigot/org/bukkit/command/Command.html looks like it my guy

[dreamy wave]

https://tenor.com/view/little-big-planet-suprised-bruh-what-littlebigplanet-gif-18119100423231820417

[terse osprey]

Yup lol

[bleak arch]

what a strange problem

[terse osprey]

Truly puzzling

[spring crescent]

Can you be more specific about what led up to this problem? You're getting responses like this because it would appear, to readers, that you have not done any due diligence xD

[bleak arch]

That's all it tells me when compiling it tells me that this import cannot be found in spigot 1.20.4 SNAPSHOT R0-1 or something like that

[spring crescent]

Ahhh import cannot be found. So you have a misplaced import, or a missing dependency somewhere.

Or you have a dependency definition that says "This dependency is ONLY for XXXX version"

[bleak arch]

I use maven but I think this is not the problem

[spring crescent]

Share your dependency plz

[terse osprey]

If you’re on eclipse restart the IDE as well

[spring crescent]

Heck, even IntelliJ might be worth a restart xD

And a clean

[bleak arch]

intellij Idea won't let me compile

I can't share code 'cause I can't use my PC and it's 2 am

[spring crescent]

-.-

[terse osprey]

Huh

There’s your problem

You have to use your PC to compile

Problem solved

[spring crescent]

[bleak arch]

try to compile on PC obviously I'm not silly

[digital temple]

[spring crescent]

Dude @digital temple do you exist in every MC discord in existence? lmao

[digital temple]

maybe

[river solstice]

try invalidating caches and restart

[dense galleon]

I am so confused, why couldn't they share code because of how late it was

[river solstice]

maybe not on pc

[dense galleon]

Ah I guess they turned off their computer and wrote from their phone

[spring crescent]

I've run into an interesting issue where HikariCP is throwing a NoClassDefFoundError exception. I'm fairly new to maven and I think this is probably something to do with the way I have setup my dependencies in the pom.xml. Could anyone direct me in the correct way to manage this?

https://paste.helpch.at/aveqovusav.xml

      <dependency>
          <groupId>com.zaxxer</groupId>
          <artifactId>HikariCP</artifactId>
          <version>5.1.0</version>
          <scope>compile</scope>
      </dependency>

Should be noted I've ensured that the <scope> is setup as compile

[pulsar ferry]

Make sure you build with maven and not with your IDE
You need to build the jar with mvn clean package to shade hikari into your jar, the jar will be in the target folder once the task is done, make sure to pick the right jar, it's the biggest one

[spring crescent]

@pulsar ferry so I've discovered the issue is to do with the way I have my dev environment setup. Currently I have a configuration that runs the server in the IDE for debugging purposes. In addition, I have an artifact that is a pre-run step for that configuration. I found the shade-plugin, but I would like to have it automatically place itself into the appropriate plugins folder. Are you aware of any dev setup environments where I can configure this? I feel like it should be pretty standard but I'm a newb to MCDev environments xD

Resources for setting it up properly**

[merry knoll]

you would probably have a way easier time just using gradle

instead of maven

write a task in gradle to move your jar wherever you want after its compiled and you are done

[worn jasper]

gradle > maven. always.

[ocean crow]

Been working on my own TP system for my server, the accept and deny are both clickable, is there an easy way to see if a bedrock receives it and not do the clicky buttons? Iirc they can’t click and go out to a link via ingame.

Only thought was check if the ign started with * but haven’t tested it, anyone else do smth similar?

[spiral prairie]

Geyser API

[ocean crow]

Hmm fair, okay I’ll give it a shot.

[dense galleon]

Does it make sense to have a database table with a PRIMARY KEY of type INT NOT NULL AUTO_INCREMENT, or should I just have the UUID be the primary key

My dad who's done stuff with databases a lot for work told me it should be an auto incrementing ID and not the UUID so that it is less resource intensive

[ocean crow]

Realistically probably would be best to be an incriminating int, since ya. Generating a UUID each time would definitely use more data and shit for it.

[dense galleon]

I mean sorry

It is player data

So the UUID would be of the player

[ocean crow]

Ya fair

[dense galleon]

Is it still better to have the auto incrementing ID and then the UUID just as a column?

[graceful citrus]

you would then have to map the id to the uuid

defeating the purpose

uuid as primary key is fine, you are not the one generating it

[ocean crow]

Yeah true

[dense galleon]

Yeah I also thought that but he keeps saying that it would be more correct to have an auto incrementing int haha

[ocean crow]

Normally used to my code dynamically creating dbs for us. :(

[dense galleon]

That is what I am writing myself too

A way to just create columns dynamically

[graceful citrus]

he would be correct if you were the source of the uuids

but you will have to query for the uuid regardless

you SHOULD mark columns as unique etc if your data structure allows it

[dense galleon]

I suppose it's more about getting other tables data using the UUID which I guess would be slower?

[worn jasper]

he = who?

[dense galleon]

Than using an int

[dense galleon]

My dad haha

[graceful citrus]

you have to query for the id anyway, it does not matter

if you do more than just a couple queries he is correct

you would query to get the internal id

[worn jasper]

In theory, there is nothing that changes in it lmao

[graceful citrus]

then use that id to query for other data (and keep the id cached)

[dense galleon]

But even then I guess the difference in performance would be negligible

Especially if the database and the server run on the same machine

[graceful citrus]

database location does not affect the performance

it affects the latency

even if you block a thread, other threads will use the core in the meanwhile if your block is not taking cpu cycles

[worn jasper]

SELECT * FROM table
WHERE uuid = "";

Is basically the same for both cases. The issue comes to updating data and having a virtually useless column since uuid is already unique.

performance is legit the same.

amount of storage used for the db would be very slightly bigger with ids

[graceful citrus]

yes and no, querying against a unique int and a unique string are not exactly the same

[worn jasper]

in big databases it would be a bit more noticeable

[graceful citrus]

also no, you have to keep uuid to internal id in another table regardless

its just not needed imho

[worn jasper]

yes but let me ask you, how would you know which id is for X user?

you would have to still somehow retrieve it

lol

[graceful citrus]

wait scratch that i read it as it would be bigger

[graceful citrus]

here ^ @worn jasper

[worn jasper]

you can't magically know which id is being used in the database for user X

[dense galleon]

My dad says that it is about "respecting the standards/norms" and "if you have to update a player's UUID for one reason or another, you'd have to manually do all of the tables"

[graceful citrus]

uuid is an id

its even in the name