then just have a Spring server that reads the redis data and returns it
#development
dusty frost
though at that point, I don't really see why you would need a whole Spring server, you could just use Redis as a nice cache
dusty frost
what are you using this data for?
hoary scarab
I got it to work...
profile = profile.update().getNow(profile);
river solstice
what are you using this data for?
dusty frost
oh yeah I would totally leverage Redis in this case
since the data should be cached anyways
river solstice
Not the most ideal setup, but that's what I'm currently using
dusty frost
then you don't need to get it on demand and the servers themselves can just lazy update whenever stuff changes
river solstice
Yeah but I usually need the data as-is
don't really want to deal with updating it
and haven't really used Redis
flint kernel
How would you reliably update information like online player numbers
Decrement on player leave, increment on player join?
dusty frost
update whenever player joins or leaves
river solstice
and refactoring all of this would be (probably) pain
dusty frost
two spigot event handlers, they're basically just jedis.incr("online_players") and jedis.decr("online_players")
what kind of data
surely you should be caching this anyways
might as well put it in a shared memory storage that can just be checked by everything whenever for basically no cost
flint kernel
i've never touched redis and even i can see there's probably some use for it here
dusty frost
I've come to heavily rely on Redis for stuff like this, it's just so useful as a separate memory storage sytsem
we use it for stuff that should persist past server restarts, logs so that they can be lazily collected, etc.
flint kernel
admittedly i've never really understood how redis works for more complicated data like that, my interpretation was it's mostly k-v, and when I think of k-v i always think primitive variables n shit
river solstice
Player data (playtimes, balances, bank balances, other server-related data, statistics), punishment information (bans, kicks, mutes, etc.).
Server data (TPS, online staff, players)
Some methods are used just for QOL, such as broadcasting, changing player ranks, balances, etc.
That's obviously not everything that's going on.
dusty frost
msot of that sounds like stuff that should just be in the database
which you can just then connect to from your website or whatever needs it
river solstice
Some of it is stored in memory until server restart
dusty frost
admittedly i've never really understood how redis works for more complicated dat...
it's key-value but you can do basically anything with that, you can store json blobs, have queues, etc.
then that stuff you should store in redis
and the other stuff is already in the database
flint kernel
it's key-value but you can do basically anything with that, you can store json b...
howtf does that work?
dusty frost
how do you mean?
flint kernel
queues etc
river solstice
Redis is just a Map<Object>
flint kernel
oh you meant that type of queue
river solstice
redis has queues natively
something like rabbitmq or apache pulsar?
flint kernel
for some reason i had in my mind some sort of messaging system
dusty frost
uh not as reliable inherently, but yes this basically can be used like that
you just lpush whenever you have new stuff, and rpop whenever you want to get it
you usually just have a loop constantly waiting for rpop to return a result basically, then you have realtime communication
can also do stacks with the same thing ๐
dusty frost
anyways yeah
i have centralized most of my external data just already in a separate website, so stuff like punishments and ranks and balances and stuff is already on a separate website
then the rest I use redis as a communication/caching layer between
flint kernel
how would you store like unique player data in redis tho
river solstice
uuids?
flint kernel
i'm imaginging some sort of nosql uuid -> json document kinda vibe, but redis doesn't have separate like databases n shit right? so how do 'scoped' keys work
dusty frost
set player-stats:d40ded56-881d-4317-9615-b221a96ff8e5 {"joins": 15, "deaths": 20}, etc.
you just make it part of the key
flint kernel
interesting
dusty frost
or, even better, you could have a player-stats hashmap
then have the key be the uuid and the value be the json
flint kernel
and what would that look like
dusty frost
hset player-stats d40ded56-881d-4317-9615-b221a96ff8e5 {"joins": 15, "deaths": 20}
hget player-stats d40ded56-881d-4317-9615-b221a96ff8e5
flint kernel
ok yeah that style makes a lot more sense in my brain
so the hset/get is basically a nosql/mongo kinda vibe then
dusty frost
yeah the hashes have some limitations, so sometimes you have to do the first style
i mean not really
it's basically a hashmap kinda vibe
flint kernel
yeah but isn't mongo, with it's key -> json thing basically just the same thing, with a hell of a lot of extra steps?
dusty frost
i guess kinda
flint kernel
i've never really used mongo/any nosql system if that wasn't clear
dusty frost
it's just better to think about it as a Java HashMap just in a different memory heap basically lol
flint kernel
yeah the hashes have some limitations, so sometimes you have to do the first sty...
what sort of limitations
dusty frost
can't do timeouts is the one that impacts me the most
if you do a set, you can have it just delete after a certain time
flint kernel
when would you want that
flint kernel
yeah no i got you
flint kernel
first thought that came to mind was expiring map/cache kinda vibe xD
can redis so it's own data pulling? I assumed it was push only
dusty frost
I mean not really, the point is that you push to it from your application
and the cache persists and is centralized
so if you have 5 instances of your website, they don't each cache some expensive operation, they all just share the same one
and when it expires, the first one to check it refreshes it
flint kernel
ah so lazy loading- i was imagining a timer-based thing
ok that makes a bit more sense
you mentioned rabbitmq earlier, i've heard of that, isn't that one kinda like the MC ecosystems plugin messaging channels?
dusty frost
it's a completely separate message queue
flint kernel
ik they're separate, i'm just trying to grasp concepts
dusty frost
it's super overkill for minecraft servers basically, the point is to have millions of events that are guaranteed to be processed once and only once
flint kernel
rabbitmq, kafka, pulsar
i've never heard of those last two :p
river solstice
We use Pulsar where I work
the principle is pretty simple, you have listeners/clients and publishers
you publish a message to a topic, the clients listen to the topic and consume/acknowledge the message, removing it from the queue
flint kernel
I was about to ask if it was a pub-sub / bukkit event system kinda model (that's how i kinda understand it in my head anyway) or more something you had to constantly poll
river solstice
I suppose there is a similarity
river solstice
Plugin manager calls X event -> publisher creates a message in X topic
EventHandler listens to X event -> listener/client listens to X topic
flint kernel
different words but yeah that's how i sorta interpreted it
river solstice
though once the message is consumed (successfully) it will be removed, unlike how the Event is passed to other listeners
flint kernel
ig if we didn't have plugin messaging systems in MC proxies, something like this is probably what we'd be using, huh?
river solstice
possibly, though there might be some better solutions, cant tell really
flint kernel
or i mean to put it another way, the plugin messaging system is just a rudimentary version of something like this
dense drift
PMS is so annoying ๐ฆ
sterile hinge
plugin messages where originally intended for communication between server and client
river solstice
or i mean to put it another way, the plugin messaging system is just a rudimenta...
yeah, tho from my understanding it's quite worse (I suppose by trying to keep it "simple") than the other mentioned solutions
as Star said, using Pulsar/Kafka would probably be overkill
flint kernel
plugin messages where originally intended for communication between server and c...
i think i recall that LabyMod uses them to communicate with the server- i suppose Badlion Client does too since ik they have a server-client api thing
dusty frost
yeah Redis queues are generally a good in-between for being external queues but not being crazy complicated and resource-intensive
river solstice
I'd probably try using Redis if not the limitations of where we host our website
sterile hinge
i think i recall that LabyMod uses them to communicate with the server- i suppos...
yeah that's where it makes sense
river solstice
I'd probably try using Redis if not the limitations of where we host our website
because I don't have control over the software that's installed
sterile hinge
https://web.archive.org/web/20220711204310/https://dinnerbone.com/blog/2012/01/13/minecraft-plugin-channels-messaging/ seems like the original blog is offline
dusty frost
because I don't have control over the software that's installed
ah weird, we just rent dedicated servers from OVH for a bunch of stuff so it's super easy to host our own everything
flint kernel
Also star you mentioned before with the expiring cache that the next site that tried to access the expired data would load it, would that be: specific site loads the data then pushes it to the cache?
dusty frost
yea
river solstice
ah weird, we just rent dedicated servers from OVH for a bunch of stuff so it's s...
yeah well the owner is using the same host for probably over 10 years now
been telling him that we should move the forums
though that's a lot of work
dusty frost
you literally just have like python data = redis.get_data("data") if data == None: new_data = generate_new_data() redis.put_data("data", new_data) return new_data return data
flint kernel
yeah that's what i figured, just wasn't certain
isn't there a small risk of overwrites tho, if 2 websites access and load it at the same time?
like, if you're working with data that could change in the (milli)seconds between the two
dusty frost
who cares
the whole point of a cache is that it's a snapshot of a moment in time
it doesn't really matter if that moment in time is a few ms later
flint kernel
ig
so, reddis for caching data accessed by external services and which isn't available from another external service like a database?
as like the primary reason to use it
dusty frost
i mean it's a shared heap basically
flint kernel
man i didn't do computer science i don't fully grasp those terms
dusty frost
memory that multiple things can access
flint kernel
throughout the years of reading diff forums n discords I've seen references to using reddis as a cache in front of SQL (I think you or someone else here has even suggested that for me in one or two cases)?
How does storing relational data work for a mostly non-relational thing? Ig you'd have to convert it to json or smth?
dusty frost
it's a per basis, usually you only want certain parts of the data, so you just fetch, for instance, a User entity and their relationships that you care about and then yeah serialize to JSON and store it
then the other end can deserialize it and have all the things it needs
flint kernel
for some reason i just got this image in my head of a service running next to redis which takes the requests and converts the data, essentially using redis as its local cache
is that like a thing that people do or am i just tripping hard
dusty frost
uh that just seems wasteful lol
either the service requesting or the service providing can just directly use it
depends on how you need the data to be refreshed
flint kernel
like this hypothetical service would probably be responsible for loading data into the cache too
like a caffeine/guava loading cache wrapped around redis basically
dusty frost
I mean you wouldn't use a different service for that
just whatever needs the caching would do it, I'm sure there's a framework like that for Java and stuff, and like you can cache web requests generically in certain cases
but like, that pattern is so easy to implement, it's not really worth trying to have a whole separate thing for yk
flint kernel
i get what u mean, for some reason it just seems like something that ur multiple website examples would want to use to ensure consistent data across all, if that's important to them
dusty frost
the whole point is that redis is the consistent data
flint kernel
yeah but i'm saying for the loading part
dusty frost
if you really want to be specific about it, you could have a cronjob or something that requests a load from just one of them every set interval
but like 95% of stuff it doesn't matter if it's a few milliseconds early or late or whatever
the race condition doesn't affect anything
flint kernel
what sort of expiration times are we talking about, cus i'm probably imaginging different things
dusty frost
5 minutes, could be hours depending
it all depends on what you're caching and how often it updates
sessions are a good example, usually those last days and don't change often, so just whichever website instance the person happens to log into just stores the session data
like, if you need realtime updates and to have the latest data, then you just don't use a cache
you just have it actually fetch the data every time lol
flint kernel
yeah that's true, i'm conflating two different ideas in my head
on the one hand i'm imagining the cache in-front of a database, and on the other i'm imagining it as the only data source accessible by external services (like MC server player count data etc)
dusty frost
"in front of" is not a good way of putting that
flint kernel
wot would be a better way
dusty frost
idk like, to the side of? lol
like you just check it and if it's not there, you go fetch the data and update it
flint kernel
in front of works if we pretend it has contextual transparency xD
but no i get ur point
dusty frost
yeah there's a difference between an internal cache and an external cache
one you use in your own app just to save time and one you store data for others to consume
flint kernel
i suppose the idea that the thing storing the data somehow doesn't also retrieve the data is throwing me off
dusty frost
yeah that would not be the same scenario as the python code I showed
that would just be one server updates a value whenever it changes, and another unrelated server reads it whenever it needs it
so in that case you wouldn't use expiration timers
cause you just always want something there
flint kernel
right that's what i was kinda thinking too
but yeah the main use-case i'm imagining I could maybe ever use Redis for is stuff like server info for consumption by discord or websites
i feel like if i was storing stats or other things accessed from discord etc i'd also cache it in redis, just so it's always available to them in an easily accessible format (json or whatever)
dusty frost
yeah that's a common usecase, then the website/discord can just always use that as the source of truth
and it's like 1000x faster than a relational database for instance
flint kernel
ig for the stats example, which is already being stored in the database too, i'd just have the plugin/whatever push the data to redis at the same time as the db?
dusty frost
yea
probably want an expiration on that kind of stuff though
or well, it depends
if it's a lot of stats, you don't want to store too much in redis, so just caching it for a few hours could be good if there's a lot of repeat visits
basically you have to understand your viewer patterns
for instance, if it's the kind of thing you check once in a while and only once, then you don't really want to cache it
if it's a thing where lots of people want to check it, then it makes sense to cache it for a while
and if it's something small like online player count or something, then yeah you can just store that only in redis just all the time cause it takes up a few bytes
flint kernel
mentally i just really struggle with the idea of services pushing to or pulling from two data sources at the same time
like, the expiration meaning the website etc would have to manually pull the data from the db directly
dusty frost
yea
that's probably what it should do anyways
you want to start with the simple stuff, then add caching on top of it
flint kernel
if i'm using something like redis as the "source of truth", i would've thought i'd want it to be, the source of truth
dusty frost
you wouldn't use it as the source of truth for data that you're caching lol
flint kernel
true
dusty frost
that's the whole point, it's a cache
you just can use it as a shared memory pool for other stuff, like the online player counts
flint kernel
i suppose it's kinda moot since i doubt i'd ever have stuff big enough to where accessing the data directly from the db is undesirable
dusty frost
I mean it's just about latency and stuff right
like for instance, I use Redis on one of my websites to cache a relatively expensive SQL query that does some data calculation, so it caches it for an hour whenever someone runs it just to reduce the number of times it could possibly be run in a day to 24
which is like, basically nothing right
a lot of the times, yeah you just want to get it directly from a database
but like, for instance sessions on a website, you read that on every single HTTP request, so it makes sense to cache it
and they can also be ephemeral, so it doesn't matter if redis crashes and deletes all the sessions, you can just have people log in again
flint kernel
hm yeah
that reminds me, for the 'source of truth' data like player count, how would you deal with server shutting down? cus the player leave event doesn't always get called does it?
river solstice
on shutdown set it to 0
dusty frost
^
river solstice
unless it somehow crashes without calling onDisable
flint kernel
on shutdown, or on startup, or both? cus what about crashes that don't safely shutdown
dusty frost
then you probably have bigger problems
and it'll fix itself when it restarts anyways
wheat carbon
๐
robust crow
๐
flint kernel
it's a cube and a piglet
river solstice
shush
river solstice
make me tier 5 i dare yall
flint kernel
and it'll fix itself when it restarts anyways
so ur saying both then, i take it?
dusty frost
i mean yeah, it probably doesn't really matter that much if it's wrong anyways
just a visual issue
river solstice
really depends on the actual scenario
dusty frost
yeah case by case basis for basically everything lol
flint kernel
well i'm just imaginging that if you don't reset it on startup and your server has crashed without resetting the count to 0, when each player rejoins you're adding to the number that was on before
river solstice
cache, well, is always gonna be a cache, meaning it's not always up-to-date data
dusty frost
redis is just a super useful tool
yeah I mean you would definitely reset on startup lol
river solstice
yeah, that just sounds like a bad impl if not
dusty frost
it would probably be even smarter to just set the number to whatever the actual playercount is on any event, rather than separately incrementing and decrementing it
that way it couldn't be out of sync if it tried
flint kernel
so = rather than ++
dusty frost
yes
river solstice
again, depends
flint kernel
again, depends
what sort of scenarios could you think up where that wouldn't be a preferable situation
dusty frost
if the value is hard to get
playercount, for instance, is literally just an int you can request from the server and it's already in memory at any point
it has basically no cost to get, so you might as well just set it every time
hoary scarab
i been yappin
๐
dusty frost
but if you have to calculate something for instance, or if you're keeping a running total, you don't want to recalculate the whole thing every time
so you just increment it as you go
river solstice
or, if it's maintained by multiple clients (atomic counting)
flint kernel
right so like block placements for example (for some reason that's the idea that just came to mind)
flint kernel
no like the count of blocks ever placed for example
dusty frost
oh sure yeah
flint kernel
again random ass thing you'd probably never store but you get the idea
dusty frost
cause you don't want to get everyone's and add them together, you can just add them as they come
vivid halo
Hello, i need help with Deluxemenus requirments, can any1 help me please?
flint kernel
yeah ok that makes sense
flint kernel
or, if it's maintained by multiple clients (atomic counting)
i feel like this reminds me of some sort of issue discord ran into
they made their own snowflake service that calculates snowflakes or something for messages i think
idk it was on some blog post they made
dusty frost
yeah that kind of stuff is different
once you get to super high concurrency stuff like that, you need some new tricks that shared state would just make too slow
flint kernel
i think that's where i got the idea for the service wrapping reddis
their snowflake service kinda served a similar role iirc
except not around the cache, obviously
i wish i could have more converastions like this
where i actually learn shit
river solstice
what sort of scenarios could you think up where that wouldn't be a preferable si...
idk, maybe a bad example, but, say some sort of rate-limiter, you set the initial value N, per-request decrease it and increase it every X seconds
so that would be a increase/decrease rather than a set every time. Of course you could just re-set it back to N after some time too.
Generally inc/dec is better for concurency. (IMO)
flint kernel
yeah in an environment where concurrency is at play like that i could see its usefulness
dusty frost
idk, maybe a bad example, but, say some sort of rate-limiter, you set the initia...
yeah that's a scenario where you initially set it to 1 or whatever with a 5 minute expiry, then check and increment it each time until it gets to the cap, then once it expires you start at 1 again
flint kernel
could do cap then decrement
i'd probably do that, but then you need to worry about if you change the rate limit ig?
dusty frost
yeah that doesn't really matter
the nice part of incrementing is just that you can define the cap in code and it changes instantly if the code changes
flint kernel
true
dusty frost
but if you had something more long term and changed the code with it decrementing, the value would still be the same for the people before the update
flint kernel
which i suppose could be good or bad
depending on just how long term it is and whether the new cap is lower or higher
and potentially the reason for the change
flint kernel
anyway thanks for the explainer, you've given me a bit to think about
tame bear
Hey good people, so i am in the beggining of minecraft plugin develpement. I have already made a spawn plugin, and now i am trying to make a home plugin. I've got it good so far, with gui, teleporting when clicking a bed.
My problem is that when clicking a TNT block in the home gui, you would get a new gui with home deleting. I have not managed to solve the problem, i made the code, but when clicking nothing shows up. Nothing in console, no command at all. I want the TNT_BLOCK to execute /delhomes. Can anyone help me with this problem, i already tried in a few days, but I ended up asking for help this time around, thanks. The Main Class Code:
https://pastecode.dev/s/FG8IuyXI
river solstice
didnt you ask this yesterday
tame bear
no one could help and wrong channel ๐
tame bear
didnt you ask this yesterday
and asked at diff
river solstice
anyone knows how to replace this message in 1.20.2?
used to work fine in 1.19 with packets, stopped working fsr.
hoary scarab
Isn't it Bukkit help message or something?
stuck canopy
can I read or modify Entity PersistentDataContainer in EntityDeathEvent?
warm steppe
try
river solstice
Isn't it Bukkit help message or something?
can't find it anywhere
hoary scarab
public void onPreCommand(PlayerCommandPreprocessEvent event) {
if (!event.isCancelled() && (ht = Bukkit.getHelpMap().getHelpTopic(event.getMessage().split(" ")[0])) == null) {
player.sendMessage(ChatColor.translateAlternateColorCodes('&', this.wat.getConfig().getString("UnknownCommandMessage")));
event.setCancelled(true);
}
}
```Is what I've used in the past.tf is this ht = Bukkit.getHelpMap().getHelpTopic(event.getMessage().split(" ")[0])) == null
why not just Bukkit.getHelpMap().getHelpTopic(event.getMessage().split(" ")[0])) == null
hoary scarab
Its super old code lol. It was meant as a cache.
dusky harness
Isn't it Bukkit help message or something?
I'm pretty sure it's minecraft's command systrm
Brigadier I think?
Idk why packets wouldn't work tho
sonic nebula
idk I tried system chat
u can instead remove all bukkit garbage
spigot too
just refl
and set everything to ""
dark garnet
what r the benefits to using PDC instead of file (json) storage?
icy shadow
easier
dark garnet
thats it? just easier to use?
dark garnet
cause im using PDC right now but i need to switch to JSON so just wanna know what ill lose
worn jasper
cause im using PDC right now but i need to switch to JSON so just wanna know wha...
you NEED?
icy shadow
you just have to do a bit of effort loading and saving files
dense drift
the pdc is saved in the data file of the player under world folder
now ... it depends on what you use PDC for 
it can't entirely replace a DB
worn jasper
need data available while players r offline
at that point use a DB
dark garnet
at that point use a DB
i really dont like SQL
worn jasper
i really dont like SQL
- Why.
- How.
- NoSql then?
dark garnet
1. Why.
2. How.
3. NoSql then?
idk i just tried it before and did not have a fun time ๐
what are some DB that arent sql?
dense drift
MongoDB is one
dark garnet
MongoDB is one
users would need to have one set-up tho
dense drift
storing data in a flat file is not any better, especially if you plan to store A LOT of data
icy shadow
it depends how you define "better"
dense drift
anyways, have fun with this
icy shadow
just use json files
sonic nebula
i really dont like SQL
SQL is great
icy shadow
u'll be fine
dense drift
most shared hosts offer databases, usually MySQL, and for those that self host their server, it should not be a problem
worn jasper
well its your choice to not use SQL xd
icy shadow
doesnt matter unless u have a bazillion entries
worn jasper
SQL you can easily support SQLite and MySql
sonic nebula
most shared hosts offer databases, usually MySQL, and for those that self host t...
he can buy a mongodb lol
dense drift
doesnt matter unless u have a bazillion entries
let me quickly read this 5gb file to load player's x data
worn jasper
he can buy a mongodb lol
its for a public plugin
icy shadow
let me quickly read this 5gb file to load player's x data
simply dont get a 5gb file
worn jasper
yeah
sonic nebula
mongo just allow u to store objecs
maybe instead sarlizie them to string
and backwards each time
dense drift
mongo just allow u to store objecs
which .. is .. what .. databases .. do? Store data
icy shadow
simply dont get a 5gb file
seriously, it's very easy to avoid this, even with a ton of data
separate files solve most problems
sonic nebula
mongo allow u store object as object
icy shadow
separate files solve most problems
and async loading solves the rest
worn jasper
maybe instead sarlizie them to string
depending on size that might take huge processing power
worn jasper
SQL is just good cause you can request just what you need
dark garnet
is it possible to put the sql statements behind a library?
worn jasper
and not a whole god damn object
worn jasper
that you then have to deserialize
worn jasper
and get whatever you need
sonic nebula
then use memory
icy shadow
brister u never dealed with 1gb of data lol
?
dense drift
is it possible to put the sql statements behind a library?
yes, I think it is called an ORM
worn jasper
yeah there are several
icy shadow
its better to request each time
yeah of course thats why i said separate files
you shouldnt have any files that big in the first place
worn jasper
hibernate and JOOQ are some options of java ORMs
sonic nebula
i used to sperate players data by A B C (as first letter in name)
ended up with 1 gb of A
dense drift
you shouldnt have any files that big in the first place
yeah I was just joking 
dark garnet
yes, I think it is called an ORM
hmm alright ill take a look
worn jasper
i used to sperate players data by A B C (as first letter in name)
that's just... dumb xd
sonic nebula
performance to dogshit
sonic nebula
that's just... dumb xd
i know...
it was when i started coding couple of years ago
i was thinking its a easy way to split
to many files
worn jasper
hibernate and JOOQ are some options of java ORMs
but yeah ^^ these are the most famous for java I think
sonic nebula
Afonso i got a question do u use a library for settings player names (display over head)
if not what do u do scoreboard? packet manipulation?
dense drift
https://ormlite.com/ this is one - it has an example of how it works
worn jasper
Afonso i got a question do u use a library for settings player names (display ov...
you mean modifying player's names? (either just display or both)
sonic nebula
only display name
not actual name
if u modify actual name it will mess up with many other things
worn jasper
actually, the library I used once, allows that without issues
or at least, I didn't see any
worn jasper
1s
sonic nebula
i dont want to use scoreboards anymore to add prefix for users... i think instead to manipulate with packet to players side only
worn jasper
https://github.com/iiAhmedYT/ModernDisguise it has skins and mob disguises but I only used the name part
sonic nebula
ill check it rn i hope it doesnt depend on ProLib
worn jasper
it doesn't
sonic nebula
seems promoisng thanks alot!
i dont know why i hate protocolLib so much
like maybe beacuse its dependecy
worn jasper
I hate it too lol
I hate it because of the huge amount of performance issue I already had to deal because of it
lol
icy shadow
also just saying, even if you had a comically large file, the performance wouldn't be that bad (take these numbers with a large amount of salt though)
worn jasper
and the funny part is usually you can't find out which plugin is doing it easily since Spark profile trigger ProtocolLib instead of the plugin using it xD
worn jasper
also just saying, even if you had a comically large file, the performance wouldn...
I mean... 2s for one file is quite a bit
imagine loading that file for 100 players at the same time
lmao
icy shadow
sure, but consider why the file would be that big in the first place - that's presumably all the data you'd ever need
if you have 1gb of data per player you're doing something very wrong
1gb for 100 players isn't too bad though
icy shadow
a database query could take close to that just from network overhead
have you?
what?
sonic nebula
and the funny part is usually you can't find out which plugin is doing it easily...
lmao
sonic nebula
a database query could take close to that just from network overhead
local db 
icy shadow
๐
worn jasper
(it was a one commission thing)
icy shadow
that sounds more like they have an infinite loop somewhere
sonic nebula
they should clear old users data or move to different file
worn jasper
that sounds more like they have an infinite loop somewhere
thought so too, but apparently not
at least their main dev says they don't xD
worn jasper
they should clear old users data or move to different file
the server had started a new season like 3 weeks ago at the time
lol
I have no idea what th they are storing
unless they are like tracking EVERYTHING a player does
or smt
idk
dark garnet
biggest data file ive worked with was 2.5 GB in yml
worn jasper
god
dark garnet
server did not have a fun time (if players spammed modifications it'd lag a ton)
proud pebble
i dont use protocollib to send packets anymore, legit only used it to modify packets that the server sent that i wanted to modify before hand
like chunk data packets,
dark garnet
biggest data file ive worked with was 2.5 GB in yml
65,829 lines
proud pebble
65,829 lines
wtf
sonic nebula
65,829 lines
it cant be 2.5gb then
dark garnet
<:FLOOSH:758937627633516596> https://github.com/commandgeek/GeekSMP/blob/master/...
no caching
sonic nebula
it must be long af lines or something
sonic nebula
its small
i had couple of million lines
on my file which was 1gb
anyway also if we mention big files here
dark garnet
ok yeah sorry i misconverted somehow
dark garnet
ok yeah sorry i misconverted somehow
i mustve converted to MB
sonic nebula
yeah alot of data
dark garnet
of what tho????
dark garnet
i love that error!!!!!
dark garnet
๐
sonic nebula
but the software which reads the file
was written so well
math tricks are amazing behind it
sonic nebula
haha
i love using flatfiles for small things
like settings and etc] in my personal projects tho
worn jasper
that's what flatfiles SHOULD be used for lol
who th uses a db for some settings
xd
I mean, in some cases yeah, useful, but most...
sonic nebula
that's what flatfiles SHOULD be used for lol
imagine bro i still encrypt them so user can change things only via commands
average user data be like
its way longer yeah
now my encryption have a seed i take from host property so if someone try load files via other server he wont get data and wont be able to reverse without trial and error for hours
to get the data inside (even tought thats just user data not important data)
worn jasper
imagine bro i still encrypt them so user can change things only via commands
why though
I am so confused on why you need this
xd
torpid raft
yeah not sure what the benefit of this is
if someone gets access to the files to be able to load them somewhere else, surely they can also get the host property at the same time
sonic nebula
main benefit i know if someone steals my resource without decompiling and reversing it he wont be able to use the plugin
nah u wont be able to even load plugin on different IP from what it was compiled for
petrotactyl does not allow me to allow , to block people from downloading an spesfic file
and i allow many people to accses server panel
yes java is open source sort of
but at least it wont be so easy for someone once i feel i had enough with it ill publish it but for now i want to stay unique with my plugin lol
think about it whats make some rocks like diamond so valuable , that they are rare/unique... if the server plugin will get leaked many pirate copies of the server will appear and it wont be special anymoe like it is now
sonic nebula
if someone gets access to the files to be able to load them somewhere else, sure...
u wont be able i take machine IPv4 from web server and some other data. to make a part of the seed of encryption
sec ill shortly explain with a picture from the code
spiral prairie
then just encrypt it on the same machin?
sonic nebula
decrypt u mean
spiral prairie
yes
proud pebble
ig atleast with the player data being encrypted a rogue admin couldnt modify the data secretly without pain
like changing their currency amount value or smth
dense drift
What happens if you have to fix something?
proud pebble
you die ig
torpid raft
ig atleast with the player data being encrypted a rogue admin couldnt modify the...
if an admin has access to the filesystem then they probably also have access to the console tho
but maybe there are some very niche benefits still idk
worn jasper
think about it whats make some rocks like diamond so valuable , that they are ra...
that's kinda a dumb logic
it makes it harder for that to easily happen yes, but anyone can just copy your features themselves
either by paying another dev to do it
or coding it themselves
spiral prairie
its actually not dumb logic
dunno why you cant see the difference between many hours of work or many working hours' money spent and git clone
dusky harness
Also not everyone has the resources to copy it effectively
sonic nebula
it makes it harder for that to easily happen yes, but anyone can just copy your ...
re creating will take alot of time u dont need the resouce to re create it..
and also finding the tricks that were used to create some illusions and etc
i dont care if someone recode it he is more then welcome
sonic nebula
What happens if you have to fix something?
it depends on the problem usually if an dupe bug / big mess happens i do have rollback of all data for 3 days backwards (every server restart all files get copied and stored in sperate file/folder with date/hour of save
dense drift
Idk is just dumb to encrypt data of a public plugin, idc what you want to do with plugins you make for your own server 
sonic nebula
its not public... and if its public there nothing bad in it if devoloper doesnt want the plugin users to modify different data begin saved on the flatfile manually
dense drift
I would not install a plugin who's data I can't edit LOL
proud pebble
if an admin has access to the filesystem then they probably also have access to ...
thats true, but modifying a player's data file would leave no logs
dense drift
You said that you use something from the host as a seed, what happens if the user changes the server (e.g. for an upgrade, better price)?
worn jasper
its not a public plugin though
dense drift
it doesn't make a difference, you can also change the server ๐
worn jasper
yeah but at that point you have access to the code and you just change it
and compile it again
dense drift
what even is the idea behind encrypting the data?
dense drift
if you don't trust those that have access to your server files, perhaps don't give them access in the first place
is not possible to set user read access per directory?
worn jasper
not in ptero
dense drift
icy shadow
if you're encrypting the data where exacty are you storing the private key?
torpid raft
from what I understood the private key is derived from client specific metadata like IP etc.
average dkim comment deletion
dusky harness
well bc u already sent-
torpid raft
smhmhmhmhmh
icy shadow
from what I understood the private key is derived from client specific metadata ...
ok i can just decompile the plugin (or just hook into it / read the memory) and find it
torpid raft
yeah
dusky harness
but at least it wont be so easy for someone once i feel i had enough with it ill...
I don't think it's meant to be super secure, just enough to make it harder
because there really isn't a place to put a private key
unless you manually enter it on server boot
torpid raft
yeah there really isn't a great way to do it
dark garnet
I don't think it's meant to be super secure, just enough to make it harder
hi dkim
torpid raft
since you're basically trying to protect the user from themselves
sonic nebula
You said that you use something from the host as a seed, what happens if the use...
what happens?
i cache data
and rewrite files on save
sonic nebula
because there really isn't a place to put a private key
there no key. i use server IPv4 as license
inside the plugin i dropped different checks some are even in events not on plugin launch and executed in delay
sonic nebula
i tested it
i dropped around 30 checks
different ones to see if it should not run on the other machine
if someone gonna be able to decompile reverse it and etc he should be able to rewrite is own resource too
suddenly there no much u can do , but at least making it harder..
so im not worried if someone will just download the plugin and think to publish it as a revenge or something , since once it will happen my server will be worthless , same as imagine someone get his hands on hypixel skyblock server
pretty sure ton of replicas that will offer different shit will appear and it will damage hypixel playerbase
lyric gyro
suddenly there no much u can do , but at least making it harder..
Just use Kotlin 
And good luck to anyone trying to decompile into something
I mean, they still will be able to edit the bytecode, but you knowโฆ good luck with that 
turbid plank
Is Kotlin harder to decompile?
slim vortex
I mean, they still will be able to edit the bytecode, but you knowโฆ good luck wi...
At that point just run and open in gdb
lyric gyro
Is Kotlin harder to decompile?
I meanโฆ
You will have a hard time doing that
The best you will get some broken Java code
With a lot of garbage
turbid plank
oh, interesting
lyric gyro
I had a client coming up with an old plug-in I have made for them, which I had no source code for at that point, so I literally just edited the byte code in the place of function which caused a bug
It was a lot of fun
lyric gyro
Yea
slim vortex
I'm imagining it was a pretty complex plugin
lyric gyro
With coroutines
slim vortex
What kind of code did you inject into it?
lyric gyro
I was playing around for an hour until figured out how to not break the coroutine the code was inside of
lyric gyro
What kind of code did you inject into it?
I just had to remove a function call
slim vortex
I see
lyric gyro
But due to Kotlin stuff it was much harder than should have been
lyric gyro
Good for you ๐
I wouldnโt want to be in that situation either
But had no choice
slim vortex
๐ฏ
sonic nebula
I had a client coming up with an old plug-in I have made for them, which I had n...
๐
river solstice
someone give me maths how much data would it be if I'd track player movements every 3-5 seconds and save it to the database with 150~ players online
dense drift
Like a scheduler that gets the location every 3s?
sterile hinge
depends on what data you actually save
turbid plank
Near to nothing
dense drift
Sounds like smth very easy to handle 
river solstice
I don't need yaw pitch
just general location
easy - yeah, will I flood my database? questionable
sterile hinge
doesn't sound like that much
dense drift
Clear records older than x days if you don't need them
river solstice
yeah I'd probably keep the week worth of it
if my calculations are correct it would probably be like ~250k bytes/hour
dense drift
with 150 online players, on a 3s interval you get 180,000 entries per hour
torpid raft
easy - yeah, will I flood my database? questionable
to do some quick math, a uuid is 16 bytes, then x y z together are 4*3 bytes, then world ideally is an enum so idk maybe 1 byte based on impl + timestamp of 4 bytes = total of 33 bytes per row ignoring overheads
river solstice
oh, forgot about timestamp
torpid raft
to do some quick math, a uuid is 16 bytes, then x y z together are 4*3 bytes, th...
150 players at one entry every 3 seconds is ~50 entries a second
river solstice
i guess it's kinda doable
torpid raft
150 players at one entry every 3 seconds is ~50 entries a second
this is 5,760,000 4,320,000 entries every day if my math is right
which is 184 138mb of data per day (again before db overheads)
river solstice
hm, so it'd be like ~1.5gb for a week worth of data
sterile hinge
databases can probably also compact that data
turbid plank
Definitely more data than I estimated at first, thanks for doing the maths dude...
sterile hinge
alternatively, you could store deltas, might make sense especially for timestamps, but that depends on what you want to do with that data afterwards
river solstice
ever heard about watson mod?
basically uses data from CoreProtect/LogBlock and displays it in the world itself
I have an idea to make it be able to display player movements aswell
turbid plank
Saving World UUID in each entry seems a little bit expensive, instead you could create a table that associates each world uuid with an int (TINYINT if SQL), and then use that integer to identify the world, then you can save some bytes
torpid raft
i was assuming the world would be stored as an enum
turbid plank
That makes sense
river solstice
not world uuid
world name
but yeah, another table with worlds would make sense too
sonic nebula
easy - yeah, will I flood my database? questionable
Use cache
It will be real light weight
I store way more data
Per second without problems
About 600 objects a second
Just use a db they will do all the math tricks for u
To save data
And add some performance checks like if user didnโt move donโt update
It wonโt be heavy anyway if itโs the question
I would suggest u if itโs something to save disk space and u donโt mind to execute expensive disk , cpu tasks
Compress older files
To save memory on disk
If u think problem is within something else make bulked updates to sql after reaching X requests
sonic nebula
Thatโs the solution if itโs too much
It will be a lot of data if he doesnโt do much about it
Idk Iโm just overthinking sorry
Dumb Tony
dense drift
ever heard about watson mod?
That's so cool
river solstice
That's so cool
yeah, very useful
dense drift
@sonic nebula as usual, slow down with the spam 
tight junco
spam more
spiral prairie
but yeah, dumping the week of data in a very efficient byte format and compressing it with xzip or whatever thats called at the highest compression should give you fairily good recoverability
sonic nebula
so i saw an cool API
but
i will better manually implement his entire resource then using a sperate jar
and yes its opensource if anyone wonders
merry knoll
just shade and relocate if you have to do a fat jar
doing only one is bad practice regardless
livid yarrow
can anybody understand timings report? Our server has some massive TPS issues.
sonic nebula
just shade and relocate if you have to do a fat jar
i prefer a fat jar ngl
then 3 sperate jars
thanks ill try and see what the results
^^
but not sure if its gonna work since its probably not gonna run the main class
since its like a sperate jar like protocolLib
ew ew
sonic nebula
lightweight model languages? with API
sonic nebula
can anybody understand timings report? Our server has some massive TPS issues.
send timings log and also is minecraft general plugins chatt
sonic nebula
lightweight model languages? with API
also i dont mind to do it depending on web req and responses
sonic nebula
Chat gpt charges cash lol
river solstice
classic tony falk shizo rants
gilded imp
schizo
hazy nimbus
classic tony falk shizo rants
tony's our local terry davis
graceful hedge
i prefer a fat jar ngl
You lose independent and dynamic redeployment if you bundle everything into one obese jar, not that it matters if you code a little spigot plugin but Aki has a point to some extent.
spiral prairie
wheres the difference between obese jars and shade & relocate
graceful hedge
shading is just making a fat / obese jar no? And then relocate is just if it happens to be the case where some classes are already used and loaded up in the jvm so you avoid chaos by changing the fully qualified name (i think its called this right?) of those classes, since your jar would load them up a second time. Although iirc there is sone classloader hackery to make it work w/o relocating (to some degree)
spiral prairie
thats exactly what i thought
But tony made it seems like those are different things
graceful hedge
I believe the usecase of relocation is highly specific, donโt think its used a lot outside of for instance mc dev.
i donโt know, toni is toni
lavish sluice
Someone able to help me fix this?
java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot invoke "me.clip.placeholderapi.PlaceholderAPIPlugin.getLocalExpansionManager()" because the return value of "me.clip.placeholderapi.expansion.PlaceholderExpansion.getPlaceholderAPI()" is null
I'm using gradle. compileOnly 'me.clip:placeholderapi:2.11.5'.
I check the plugin is loaded before registering. I have it as a depend also.
Latest PAPI + Java 17.
worn jasper
Someone able to help me fix this?
```java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot inv...
XY problem?
lavish sluice
XY problem?
How so?
lavish sluice
I've looked at other people's issues. Shading was their concern.
dense drift
Yeah that is the most common problem.
lavish sluice
This is the full stacktrace. https://pastebin.com/KkSW11ue
worn jasper
Shading and not depending on it are the most common issues but I would assume you already tried that
lavish sluice
Yes ofc.
dense drift
Try to add papi as (soft) depend
lavish sluice
I'll give it a go
worn jasper
actually can you show the code you use to register? Or did I misunderstand and you are trying to do something else?
Also, are you using Paper plugin system by any chance?
lavish sluice
I am using paper 1.20.2
worn jasper
not what I asked
lavish sluice
actually can you show the code you use to register? Or did I misunderstand and y...
if(Bukkit.getPluginManager().getPlugin("PlaceholderAPI") != null) {
new ServerStatusExpansion(this).register();
Bukkit.getConsoleSender().sendMessage("Successfully registered Expansion!");
}```Errors on the #register
lavish sluice
name: ServerOnlineStatusSpigot
version: '1.0.0-Beta'
main: me.sean0402.serveronlinestatusspigot.ServerOnlineStatusSpigot
api-version: '1.20'
author: "Sean0402"
softdepend: [PlaceholderAPI]```Tried depend. with & without.
dense drift
Double check that your jar doesnt contain papi
worn jasper
^^
lavish sluice
Ok
worn jasper
Someone able to help me fix this?
```java.lang.NullPointerException: Cannot inv...
well it's on compileOnly
so it shouldn't
worn jasper
uh?
lavish sluice
Would ShadowJar override compileOnly?
dense drift
do gradle clean shadowjar
worn jasper
could this be caused by not matching papi version in the server?
just random thought
although I would assume not much would change between versions
yeah ignore that
lavish sluice
So the shadowJar only contains my classes. No libs.
But for some reason it's building with all :/
dense drift
Send your built config
dense drift
Not like they are very different, especially for basic configs.
lavish sluice
Send your built config
neat pierBOT
FAQ Answer:
dense drift
idk why you have all these options in shadowjar and dependsOn etc.
dense drift
Does anyone have any resources for how to write a simple (I hope this gets clasified as simple ๐คฃ ) parser in java?
I need to turn a string like Result: {#math}5+5{math#} into [LiteralStringElement(value: "Result: "), MathElement(value: "5+5")] (string representation of List<Element>)
It gets more complex, as tags should allow attributes as well, basically XML tags with different symbols for opening/closing. {#math precision=3}100/3{math#}
sonic nebula
since u have { } u basically can loop
and get the context and do a switch case of the input
if i understand u correctly
open switch case close and thing to do with context between
dense drift
how is that useful
dusky harness
I agree with tony
loop chars, once you detect a { and } you can use switch case to know what to do and stuff (ex #math = run parseMath())
should have a method like readTextUntilBracket, etc
idk how to explain well without just writing the code
but that's like how I made a json parser - lemme see if i can find
it's in kotlin but should be readable
https://i.imgur.com/UwcRFJI.png
json uses { and [ to identify between types of inputs, but it is the same concept with #math and whatever else (when in kotlin is based off of java's switch)
although i feel like you might just be able to use an xml parser somehow
also this is very very very similar to minimessage
just saying
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
fading stag
although i feel like you might just be able to use an xml parser somehow
- I think you can use xml parser after doing some basic Regex replacing
dense drift
Using MM for this sounds like a bad idea if that's what you mean dkim, an idea I had
Plus the arguments syntax (<click:_action_:_value_> for example) is different from what I would want
dense drift
+ I think you can use xml parser after doing some basic Regex replacing
Ive started with xml, but it doesn't preserve whitespaces, so that example will turn into Result:10
dusky harness
o
dense drift
loop chars, once you detect a `{` and `}` you can use switch case to know what t...
I've seen the basic concept of a parser that works that way, but I have a hard time how to store the values I read so I can come back to them when I read a nested tag for example, and then I need to grab the parent tag to close it ๐ฆ
Although I think I have an idea... after {#math} I just read everything as a raw string until the closing tag {math#} and then I parse the string separately
dusky harness
I've seen the basic concept of a parser that works that way, but I have a hard t...
should make a json parser ๐
sonic nebula
+ I think you can use xml parser after doing some basic Regex replacing
no replacing with regex
no reason.
dusky harness
Although I think I have an idea... after `{#math}` I just read everything as a r...
wait, what if you have a math in a math
well idk if thats realistic depending on your tags but
fading stag
no reason.
I meant replacing {#math}5+5{math#} to {math}5+5{math/} to just be able to use an XML parser
sonic nebula
I meant replacing `{#math}5+5{math#}` to `{math}5+5{math/}` to just be able to u...
oh i see
dense drift
wait, what if you have a math in a math
I was just thinking about that 
dusky harness
nvm I didn't see that the ending tag has hashtag at the end
fading stag
I was just thinking about that <:hmc_sob:1051637812081999903>
I'm feeling like you will have to deal with some recursion :d
sonic nebula
just use string builder
dense drift
Yeah I will do some testing tomorrow
dense drift
nvm I didn't see that the ending tag has hashtag at the end
It does, but I need to get the right closing tag {#math}2+2+{#math}5+5{math#}{math#} - just an absurd example
dusky harness
you can just have an int variable to count how much nesting there is or you can do what i do in https://github.com/dkim19375/JsonParser/blob/main/src/main/kotlin/me/dkim19375/jsonparser/JsonParser.kt where it just parses it as it goes (although since json tags are 1 character - [, (, ", etc, it'll be a bit different)
both should work fine
fading stag
you can just have an int variable to count how much nesting there is or you can ...
is this a hobby project or do you really use your own JSON parser in your projects (very cool :d)
dusky harness
is this a hobby project or do you really use your own JSON parser in your projec...
someone in a discord server made by Brister Mitten loves json parsers for some reason so I made one ๐
I still use GSON in my projects tho
lemme see if i can find performance comparison
unfortunately it lost every time :(
dense drift
Jackson 
fading stag
what is the best way to create a skull with a player skin (will use in a gui)
I saw some ways that uses reflection but I think there should be better ways (https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/skull-texture-issimilar-npe.418897/page-2#post-3709604)
sonic nebula
vs thing to create GUI's with that has a gui
its like copy paste buttons and shit
and u can put pics as background how its called?
dusky harness
and u can put pics as background how its called?
edit: nevermind I completely misunderstood
sonic nebula
5-6 years ago i used something in visual studio that allows really easy interface design
like for android apps
i need to design nice UI for my chat bot
also i found out how to make a language model + -
i assume it is , also ended up with ton statements lmao
and doing good design with JavaFX is hell
dusky harness
5-6 years ago i used something in visual studio that allows really easy interfac...
Android Studio (not vs) has an app interface designer thingy (then it automatically converts it to xml)
if that's what you meant
sonic nebula
yeah but its not android studio
i just givd it as an example
its for windows
hmmm dunno
i hate xml hate hate hate
sonic nebula
dkim nah its 5am i guess im no tin 100% state yeah i read it now nah i meant it simillar to android studio
nah i work only night shifts haha its all gucci
sonic nebula
tbh i have no friends ;[
all always sleep
once i wake up i appear again at wok
work
and loop
sonic nebula
12h shifts
dusky harness
what is this designer thing for?
sonic nebula
i made a chat bot
sonic nebula
like langauge model
and i want nice interface because mf's eat with their eyes firstt
its not like gpt level or something
but for its goal it works pretty well
dusky harness
because if it's just for a website, then you can just use figma to design the site or just dive right into writing the html stuff
sonic nebula
nah i will later on convert it into tg/whatsapp support
dusky harness
but I don't think theres a javafx/android studio-like thing to auto convert it to html
sonic nebula
nah there wont be interface later on its just for now
maybe ill put font for textt
dusky harness
beautiful
sonic nebula
๐ฆ
dusky harness
i love how those are the only two options though
sonic nebula
eh i remember i used to have an american friend i used to stay awake till late just to call her haha
sonic nebula
i love how those are the only two options though
haha
sonic nebula
k getting better
i guess
some how
also added back send button
to capture space
instead of listening to key
torpid raft
sex?
sonic nebula
it says se
oh yes
sexy
ill make app crash if it doesnt have WiFi since ill load all pics from web 
i dont keep tthat heart background
ill put cat with whiskey instead i think this is painful for eyes
i dont get sponsored by whiskey but i think its like belongs to the app
i mean client will like it
i wont send any updates due server rules since its against the policy o rwhat ever
marble heart
what java version do you guys use for development
sterile hinge
depends on the software
worn jasper
what java version do you guys use for development
17 for mc, 21 for other stuff
marble heart
ye i just found out that 21 didnt work for minecraft :/
flint kernel
Gradle 8.5+ supports Java 21
marble heart
ooof thats why i dont mess w coding stuff
i just now pushed to my old pr a deluxemenus fix
dense drift
You just need to change the version in .gradle/something.properties iirc and then reload gradle
marble heart
yeah i m trying rn
sonic nebula
ye i just found out that 21 didnt work for minecraft :/
u havee to update
the jar file
anyway nvm
i use java 7/8/16
it really depends on the project
graceful hedge
i use java 7/8/16
Thatโs a bit odd, usually 8/11/17/21 is preferred since lts
azure heath
Do deluxemenus have api?
indigo schooner
Yo if someone can help me with something dm me please
Can someone help me with something important about other plugin?
neat pierBOT
FAQ Answer:
dense drift
Is there any docs?, i mean list of event etc.
There are no events, I think the only thing you can do is to open a menu
broken elbow
chatgpt says they are called apps or applications and they use the .app extension
atomic trail
Anyone familiar with kotlin that can help me? I'm using this api https://github.com/Auxilor/EcoBits/blob/master/eco-core/core-plugin/src/main/kotlin/com/willfp/ecobits/currencies/Currency.kt but I'm not sure how I would get a players balance or set it, because the api uses kotlin extension functions
sonic nebula
ill ask chatgpt how can i convert an jar to .app
ill search on how to run it in first tplace
pulsar ferry
Anyone familiar with kotlin that can help me? I'm using this api https://github....
Instead of giving you the answer straight away, let me help you understand it
You can see at the top the annotation @file:JvmName("CurrencyUtils")
That means that in Java this class is called that
So for example fun OfflinePlayer.getBalance(currency: Currency) in Kotlin offlinePlayer.getCurrency(currency)
and in Java CurrencyUtils.getCurrency(offlinePlayer, currency)
dense drift
Without @file:JvmName it would be the name of the file + Kt = CurrencyKt btw
atomic trail
Ahhhh that's actually very nice, thanks!
I'm yet to learn kotlin, but it actually seems quite nice
hoary scarab
Can you not make custom enchants in 1.20.4 spigot?
sterile hinge
it was never officially supported
hoary scarab
๐คฆ NVM issues with static/private
I see what you mean now. Can't find out how to register the enchants anymore. Hmm...
river solstice
i suppose updating my plugin is gonna be fun
dense drift
It is now a registry that emily said you supposedly could unfreeze
hoary scarab
Yeah it goes deeper than that. I can't just new <enchant>(Namespacedkey) anymore either. And there is no method to set the key...
dusky harness
I'm surprised md_5 did this because he usually tried keeping backwards compatibility
Or forwards no one knows which is which
hoary scarab
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Java has backwards compatibility
Pretty sure someone on the staff wanted to convert everything to registry. They were saying it for awhile. When that happened it prevented backwards.
sterile hinge
I'm surprised md_5 did this because he usually tried keeping backwards compatibi...
for things that are supported, yes
hoary scarab
And there is no method to set the key...
Fuck!
@Override public NamespacedKey getKey() {return null;}
Another half hour wasted lol
worn jasper
waiting for paper to hard fork be like
hoary scarab
Hmmm yeah still not applying...
ItemStack stick = new ItemStack(Material.STICK);
stick.addUnsafeEnchantment(GlowingEnchant.glow, 1);
player.getInventory().addItem(stick);
spiral prairie
waiting for paper to hard fork be like
before that happens Hanger or Modrinth have to support paid plugins xD
hoary scarab
They said they won't
worn jasper
before that happens Hanger or Modrinth have to support paid plugins xD
why?
worn jasper
They said they won't
Also, wrong.
Idk about Modrinth but Hangar never officially said it wouldn't have paid plugins
it's actually something they are looking into for the future.
They just want to make the infrastructure as good as possible
And besides that, Polymart and BuiltByBit probably would support paper plugins
so...
spiral prairie
Yeah Ik
I just think that having Hangar and Modrinth on the train would be better
I mean it's not like anybody is using Spigot anymore
hoary scarab
Contradicting statements from paper staff...
spiral prairie
i mean 2 months have passed but yeah
minor summit
we love lying, yes
spiral prairie
thats what i saw too
spiral prairie
oh shit
minor summit
one is from 2022 the other is from 2023 
spiral prairie
yeah i JUST saw that... craazy
hoary scarab
Yeah I haven't been in that discord for ages just searched up "paid resources" lol
sonic nebula
Can you not make custom enchants in 1.20.4 spigot?
what you cannn
wdym
not with offical API but with NMS
spark skiff
guys should i use completablefutures with files or is it overkill
tight junco
depends
is this file creation or file reading/writing
if you're doing it a lot, like a lot of lot it cant hurt but
worn jasper
Contradicting statements from paper staff...
Well, I got told by the Hangar devs that there are plans for it. Just not big priority.
hoary scarab
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hoary scarab
Any reason why java ConsoleOutput.instance.debug(data.getClass().getName()); Arrays.asList(data.getClass().getMethods()).forEach(m -> { StringBuilder sb = new StringBuilder(); Arrays.asList(m.getParameterTypes()).forEach(t -> sb.append(t.getName()+",")); ConsoleOutput.instance.debug("Name: "+m.getName()+" Return: "+m.getReturnType().getName()+" Params: "+sb.deleteCharAt(sb.length()-1).toString()); }); Would only be displaying 2 methods when there are clearly more? I also tried getDeclaredMethods() ```
DEBUG >> net.minecraft.network.syncher.DataWatcher
DEBUG >> Name: b Return: java.lang.Object Params: net.minecraft.network.syncher.DataWatcherObject
DEBUG >> Name: b Return: void Params: net.minecraft.network.syncher.DataWatcherObject,java.lang.Object
man what is this code
river solstice
peepeepoopoo
hoary scarab
Debug to figure out why it wasn't providing the method.
Still have no reason as to why it's not.
sterile hinge
have you tried using a debugger?
spiral prairie
oh jeez
hoary scarab
Nope just the strings at the moment. I have this code in another plugin running fine so it's weird that it's not functioning here.
merry knoll
what if it was just small operations?
always move io into a seperate thread
unless you are loading on launch etc
hoary scarab
So any ideas why it doesn't show the other methods?
proud pebble
I see what you mean now. Can't find out how to register the enchants anymore. Hm...
i personally just say fuck it and manually add the enchants using nms to a seperate enchantments list
under a different compoundtag name