off-topic

[fallow crow]

Ahh...

[stark rapids]

sounds like some med

[boreal escarp]

circuits

[lucid cobalt]

he is testing

[stark rapids]

restricted for you

[boreal escarp]

my site

[wary willow]

@boreal escarp free*

:))

[boreal escarp]

yeah, ik

[broken wharf]

Helllo

[broken wharf]

Thats a bargain

[wary willow]

ok

[pseudo sigil]

Sorry 😦 i just thought it could be fun. didnt mean any harm

[lucid cobalt]

Nice name nova. How on earth to click that "X".

[pseudo sigil]

😭

Im being bullied man xD

im trynna find a new TLD for a website. cant find a good one...

[fallow bridge]

A

[lucid cobalt]

Heh

[broken wharf]

Wait nova has an x on his name

For me its just question marks

[vernal arrow]

.

[wary willow]

bcz whatever dispositive you use is bad. limited unicode support

[broken wharf]

Im on phone

Maybe i should update my phone

[wary willow]

maybe

[fallow bridge]

ye

[lucid cobalt]

@vernal arrow what is it about? I am confused

[stark rapids]

Heh

[fallow bridge]

oi dark

[stark rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/941955599942434816.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[fallow bridge]

[stark rapids]

Odell lord sorry

[fallow bridge]

wsup

[stark rapids]

ian

[fallow bridge]

sush

[stark rapids]

[stark rapids]

why are you friends with kaizil

[lucid cobalt]

Eh

Uh

[fallow bridge]

idk he asked me for server optimisation and stuff

[stark rapids]

he is harmful

[fallow bridge]

how so

[lucid cobalt]

Ehhhh

[stark rapids]

you wont get it

[fallow bridge]

i get it

deez nuts

[lucid cobalt]

Whyyy

[stark rapids]

he changed his anime pfp to a banananana, a sus one

[lucid cobalt]

I am pure kid

[young temple]

Oh

[fallow bridge]

pure banana

[lucid cobalt]

yes yes

[fallow bridge]

bad

[young temple]

healthy

[lucid cobalt]

Look at that banana

[fallow bridge]

xd

[young temple]

moist

[fallow bridge]

no looks weird

ew

[lucid cobalt]

Yes

[stark rapids]

AwesomeAhmad remember me?

[young temple]

yes

[stark rapids]

xD

Dont

[lucid cobalt]

Caily

[fallow bridge]

remember me

[lucid cobalt]

No I don't

jk jk

[fallow bridge]

who asked you

[stark rapids]

I wonder I have someone pfp

wanna see Caily

[fallow bridge]

no

[lucid cobalt]

Okey

[fallow bridge]

no

its mine

[stark rapids]

😎

[lucid cobalt]

really?

[fallow bridge]

i means yours but

you gave to me

[lucid cobalt]

[fallow bridge]

so its technically mine

[eternal apex]

greet

[young temple]

You gave Caily the banana?

[lucid cobalt]

greek

[fallow bridge]

no

[young temple]

no

[stark rapids]

lol gottem

[lucid cobalt]

Imma go change my pfp

[fallow bridge]

ah that will be a great banner

[young temple]

why? ur encouraging healthy eating habits

[fallow bridge]

hello, piggy

[lucid cobalt]

Better

[eternal apex]

what goin on

[fallow bridge]

sus pfp competition

[lucid cobalt]

Having some chit chat

[real summit]

Is this what I think it is?

[young temple]

only one way to be sure

[stark rapids]

You are typing that after clicking

dont fool me 😎

[young temple]

e x p o s e d

[fallow bridge]

oof

[stark rapids]

OH

ITS

[lucid cobalt]

lol

[stark rapids]

ALEN

Hi

[young temple]

hi

[fallow bridge]

no

[stark rapids]

Why are all the people ik are alive

[real summit]

It was....

[young temple]

who's alen

[eternal apex]

i'm alen

[lucid cobalt]

people still alive

[young temple]

hi alen

[stark rapids]

ferien

[fallow bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-felix-cute-smile-cartoon-dancing-gif-16812955

[stark rapids]

thats sus pus

[fallow bridge]

felix

[real summit]

[young temple]

Alen remember me?

[lucid cobalt]

huh

[young temple]

hm?

[stark rapids]

imagine typing huh to see ppf change worked

[young temple]

pathetic

[lucid cobalt]

lol

[real summit]

Maybe... Probably... Possibly

[fallow bridge]

sheesh

[young temple]

unfortunate

[stark rapids]

that belongs to alen

[real summit]

I hate you Darkkk

[young temple]

Oh

[real summit]

[stark rapids]

his unknown gf

is at my place

[young temple]

ouch

[real summit]

From meta-verse

[stark rapids]

shes nft

i bought it

[young temple]

oh

[fallow bridge]

resold it

[vernal arrow]

For now its just a pricing container for a work in progress site

[stark rapids]

hey jaya

i meant

the famous guy here

[vernal arrow]

hey dark but cool 👋

[young temple]

who's famous

[real summit]

Pay me Ethereum

[fallow bridge]

obfuscator ?

[vernal arrow]

Yep

[eternal apex]

😦

[fallow bridge]

open source

[real summit]

Open Source

[fallow bridge]

open source best

[vernal arrow]

Not all projects can or should be open source though.

[eternal apex]

why

[real summit]

y tho?

[stark rapids]

piggy who was the guy who disliked stuff

[vernal arrow]

For example, this project allows devs to add a license system into their software so if a client only paid 50% of the price, the dev can be sure they wont be scammed

[fallow bridge]

ulicense?

[eternal apex]

there's been lots

[young temple]

why

[vernal arrow]

ulicense is extremely limited and doesn't have the cool tech we do

we can load plugins into ram without any physical file ever existing

we can obfuscate plugins during runtime async

just to name a few

[young temple]

ahuh

[stark rapids]

adios

[lucid cobalt]

sayonara

[vernal arrow]

And uLicense is selfhosted, not everyone wants to provide hosting for stuff.

[fallow bridge]

[lucid cobalt]

If I want to make Hosting. I need a license?

Which License?

[stark rapids]

license for what

[vernal arrow]

uLicense requires you host it yourself

[eternal apex]

jaya what sort of projects "can't" be open source

[lucid cobalt]

Hosting

[fallow bridge]

[eternal apex]

or shouldn't be open source

[lucid cobalt]

I am stopid

[vernal arrow]

Company plugins, plugins made for clients privately, software that costs $, etc

[eternal apex]

why, why, why?

[vernal arrow]

Majority of companies want to keep their software private

Trade secrets, security, etc

Do you open source @honest thistle?

[wary willow]

gottem

[stark rapids]

lol

[wary willow]

the only problem barry is not closed bcz of these reasons

just bad code

[stark rapids]

nice one blitz

[lucid cobalt]

Get ready for riot

[real summit]

-> Piggy Left the chat

[vernal arrow]

Regardless I think wanting to implement obfuscation should be up to the developer or company. Open source is not a one size fits all. Some projects benefit a ton from open source, such as JDA, Skript, JRE, but others would suffer such as Hypixel, Mineplex, etc.

[eternal apex]

trade secrets: I believe unique processes can be patented and protected, no? Or does this not extend to software

plugins made for clients privately: if a client is buying a plugin, they should get full access to the source code. Working as a developer and putting in drm for a commissioned plugin, is a major red flag, that should turn off literally any server owner.

software that costs $: a binary behind a paywall can coexist with open source

barry being closed source was not my decision

[fallow bridge]

the fight between open sourced and closed source

[eternal apex]

plugins made for clients privately:
to elaborate on this one, when I work on a commission, I'm working under the assumption that upon payment, the source code will no longer be mine, the buyer is purchasing the full rights to the binary, code, idea, etc

[vernal arrow]

trade secrets:
Just because something is patented doesn't prevent abuse of it.
plugins made for clients privately
I agree, and this system is superior at providing the developer with peace of mind when shipping unpaid plugins to clients. Most people pay 50% upfront before a plugin is started, and 50% after completion. What if you sent them the plugin with only half paid, and end up getting scammed? This program would prevent this. Of course if the client pays the full amount, then it would be fine to remove the obfuscation and send the src.
software that costs $
That doesn't make sense I'm sorry. If we were to use IntelliJ Free/Ultimate as an example, IntelliJ free is open source, but Ultimate is not.

[elfin minnow]

the new meta is pay for support in the mc plugin realm

[vernal arrow]

wdym

[wary willow]

so plugin is open source but if you want support with it you pay

[elfin minnow]

^

[eternal apex]

"pay for support" imo also comes with the assumption that the binary is free to download

[vernal arrow]

Okay but thats not the problem this software is aiming to fix

[eternal apex]

but you'll notice most of these "pay for support" implementations also have the binary behind a paywall, so pay for support isn't really accurate

pay for support & download

[wary willow]

freemium*

[eternal apex]

ye

that works too

a general term for it

[fallow crow]

What is happening over here

[eternal apex]

telling jaya obfuscation is bad

[fallow crow]

True

Okay goodnight

[vernal arrow]

You don't have to use obfuscation, it's obviously not as useful to you as it is to others

Providing the ability to secure software is just that - providing the ability to do it. Theres no rules saying you must / must not, it's up to the dev

I know for me, it will be extremely useful to not have to worry about being scammed of my time if a client leaves with my half paid plugin

[eternal apex]

you know what else prevents scams?

a contract

[vernal arrow]

freelancers dont sign contracts for $20 plugins

[eternal apex]

That doesn't make sense I'm sorry. If we were to use IntelliJ Free/Ultimate as an example, IntelliJ free is open source, but Ultimate is not.
that was the decision of jetbrains, in my statement I was referring to freemium plugins that blitz brought up

or tig brought up

[elfin minnow]

bro really said tig

💀

[eternal apex]

ur name is tig

get over it

[elfin minnow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818215179899633667/963611307750334484/ezgif.com-gif-maker_1.gif

[vernal arrow]

Its different depending on the use case

Some people benefit from obfuscation some don't 🤷

[eternal apex]

well we can also argue the futile nature of obfuscation

[vernal arrow]

How so?

[eternal apex]

it's ineffective

it can always be beat

[vernal arrow]

If done well enough, its not pointless

[eternal apex]

usually with much less effort than went into developing the obfuscation

[vernal arrow]

95% of java devs when seeing obfuscation, either decide to give up or end up writing their own code

the other 5% are crazy and try to deobfuscate

people hiring java devs don't have the time nor experience to deobfuscate a plugin

[long summit]

Obfuscation doesn't stop the people that leak plugins, and those are the ones you normally worry anyways

[eternal apex]

Most people pay 50% upfront before a plugin is started, and 50% after completion. What if you sent them the plugin with only half paid, and end up getting scammed? This program would prevent this. Of course if the client pays the full amount, then it would be fine to remove the obfuscation and send the src.
is this the primary purpose of the program?

because if so, then matt, that doesn't apply, not an intended purpose

[vernal arrow]

Yes, thats the problem it aims to solve

[eternal apex]

well then I don't think I have anything left to argue, I understand some developers don't have the luxury of only working with reputable employers, and I suppose a program such as yours would be a viable solution

[long summit]

Ah well, in that situation, it's fine

[vernal arrow]

I'm very grateful to have had this discussion with you, thank you! I'm heading out to lunch, bye!

[eternal apex]

👋

[stark rapids]

imagine realizing that you were talking to raymond till now

[chilly brook]

^ +

[carmine bridge]

imagine exposing raymond

[stark rapids]

There is nothing to expose lol

[carmine bridge]

[stark rapids]

my work there

[elfin minnow]

raymond 💀

[carmine bridge]

oh right lol

[eternal apex]

jaya is raymond?

[stark rapids]

lmao

[chilly brook]

yes

[carmine bridge]

💀

[chilly brook]

if you see this, it is raymond

[carmine bridge]

@vernal arrow dies of heart attack now

[vale pond]

jaya is a dirty word where i live lmao

[carmine bridge]

userus deletus

[frank pasture]

ye I knew this was raymond lol

[carmine bridge]

anal eyes

[stark rapids]

analyse*

[frank pasture]

also, so is @carmine bridge lol

👀

[carmine bridge]

he puts that there to troll lmao

[elfin minnow]

💀

[frank pasture]

https://www.spigotmc.org/members/rayrnond.264567/

lol

[stark rapids]

Wither is fake

i get it now

[carmine bridge]

nonono

[stark rapids]

you are the imposter

[frank pasture]

I actually can't believe someone would spend the time making all these alts

[elfin minnow]

[frank pasture]

So much effort for such little gain

[carmine bridge]

raymond has had them for a while now

[frank pasture]

Don't see the benefit tbh

[elfin minnow]

now hes talking in third person

[carmine bridge]

Grand it’s literally not me lol

[lucid cobalt]

Why would someone just created a third account?

I mean...

Bruh

[frank pasture]

Raymonds had like 5 alts here

lol

[lucid cobalt]

Damn

[elfin minnow]

just to cause havoc

[lucid cobalt]

I only has 3 in here. Different propose.

[stark rapids]

Kaizil has 8

[frank pasture]

Ye, then get beamed 5 mins later

[lucid cobalt]

tefuk

[frank pasture]

Game over

[lucid cobalt]

Well originally I have 10+ alts but none of them active that much

Only active 3 major for diff important stuff

[carmine bridge]

@vernal arrow surprised he isnt banned yet

[vague walrus]

How many alts does have

[frank pasture]

too many

[carmine bridge]

doesnt matter lol he makes more

raymond is eternal

[long summit]

So much for disliking this server huh

[carmine bridge]

he's a troll

[vague walrus]

A troll who's in here 6 more times than most people

What a goof

[broken wharf]

Imagine not having/had over 1000 mc alt accounts

Copped it for 4 bucks

Was grinding sb

[queen jewel]

that #970433902772617246 tho 😷

[long summit]

Paying in DOGE
Nice $30 today will be $25 tomorrow

[mellow zinc]

💀

[velvet crescent]

Just bought 72k luna coins :kek:

[wary willow]

haha :)))

kfc or whatever the british's youtuber/boxer/musician's name is

bought like 2 mill

in luna

[velvet crescent]

I don't care about those 10€, however if it does go up, all the better

[wary willow]

yeah but kfc bought them like before it fully crashed

xD

but I really doubt and really hope it won't come back

[mellow zinc]

ksi? 💀

[wary willow]

that's the one

kfc :)))))

[mellow zinc]

kfc 💀 💀 💀 💀

[velvet crescent]

I mean it could

[wary willow]

hope it won't tho

[velvet crescent]

Not back to where it was, but even a euro is fine

[boreal escarp]

Lmao

[long summit]

I put $10 a while back on one crypto that was trending up pretty well, it's $6 now

[velvet crescent]

Well yea, but you don't really miss the 10$ do you

[long summit]

Nope, I look at it and laugh every day

[velvet crescent]

I cry at my lost wallet which had some btc on it

Was worth like 1k at some point

[young temple]

how'd u lose ur wallet

[velvet crescent]

Stupidity, that's how

[carmine bridge]

[velvet crescent]

You know the 10€ I put in earlier, it's worth 17€ now

I'm practically rich

[long summit]

Damn wtf

[velvet crescent]

It's going up rapidly

[tacit nova]

Any good VPS hosters?

[long summit]

OVH

Bloom host is pretty good too

[young mortar]

OVH is awesome if you know how to use linux

[stark rapids]

I have something to show you guys

https://cdn.discordapp.com/avatars/955917148390326314/2db9071658290f14f0b37f1baccf7a76.png?size=1024

[pseudo sigil]

@proper jungle looking good man

Did you do all the art by yourself?

[proper jungle]

yup

[pseudo sigil]

Damnnn sweet

[wary willow]

Hulk!!!

[stark rapids]

thats shulk

[vague walrus]

https://tenor.com/7LpS.gif

That is shulk

[stark rapids]

must be mistaken

[stark rapids]

@severe crag

[magic summit]

I'm getting closer to 1,000 ratings on Spigot

[wary willow]

👎

👍 *

[vague walrus]

Idk that's thumbsdown pretty big compared to the thumby uppy

[keen kraken]

bro really being racist ☠️ doesn't surprise me from someone like u

smfh

[wary willow]

Ah he's back

[keen kraken]

sucks to suck

ngl

[wary willow]

That from experience eight?

Right*

[keen kraken]

absolutely. But I don't associate with racists

[wary willow]

Won't let you answer. Good night

[keen kraken]

so go take it somewhere else

bozo

bro really said ksi = kfc

thats disgrace

what're you

8?

uh hello my personal roles are WhO AsKeD and hElLo?~!?>1

i Am RacSiS t BlItZ MaN

alrighty goodnight sir

[wary willow]

Some is feeling really offended today. Not going to entaieten this conversation anymore. Also if you don't stop being an a hole i will time out again. This time I'm giving a warning

[naive agate]

Can we all just admire @wispy otter work

[wispy otter]

♥️

[naive agate]

mans built dif frfr

[zenith mauve]

@lucid cobalt just wondering, thats deluxemenu in the profile video?

[fallow bridge]

Ez

[fallow bridge]

It is

[lucid cobalt]

It's your plugin, how didn't you notice it

I didn't use deluxemenus yet...

[zenith mauve]

(it was sarcasm)

[full atlas]

@lucid cobalt details?
"A simple plugin" isn't much to go off of.

[sullen sorrel]

(especially with such a high budget)

[lucid cobalt]

Why?

[naive agate]

new game beta is tmr https://playvrising.com

[lucid cobalt]

Noice

[naive agate]

its like an mmo may try it tmr

[lucid cobalt]

How much is it?

[naive agate]

freee

[lucid cobalt]

daaamnn

[zenith mauve]

A simple RPG

[full atlas]

Well your budget is above $50 and you have no explanation of what you want.

[lucid cobalt]

Just an RPG plugin

Simple one

[full atlas]

RPG ... Simple... Don't think those words usually belong together xD

[eternal apex]

you realise what an rpg is right

[lucid cobalt]

Role-play game

[lucid cobalt]

I am not that stopid enough to put budget. Maybe?

[zenith mauve]

[lucid cobalt]

Lmao

Simple rpg plugin is everything

[fallow bridge]

Add your soul in that plugin

[vague walrus]

Idk, I found an rpg that uses a mobius strip for its dice

They can be pretty simple

[fallow bridge]

Elden ring in minecraft

[blazing oar]

Ye there is no "simple rpg" lol

[stark rapids]

Why on earth no one needs a website

[eternal apex]

I'm sure there's plenty of people that need websites

[stark rapids]

I am literally looking for experience and doing them for free, no one asked yet except one

[lucid cobalt]

Yes yes

[stark rapids]

Shush

[full atlas]

Level command working for anyone???

Daily worked but not level.

Got it to work. Just discord being finicky.

[twin dune]

Your not selecting the command, you're just sending a plain message.

[full atlas]

It was discord. Restarted it and it worked

[wary willow]

sometimes it does that. especially on mobile

[lucid cobalt]

ffs

My eyes blind

@stark rapids When was ur last exam

[stark rapids]

On 13th

[lucid cobalt]

good luck

[stark rapids]

?

Goodluck for the exam which i already wrote?

[lucid cobalt]

I tho next month

[stark rapids]

You asked something of past

[stark rapids]

That's true, my final last exam ends on 13th

I have paid

My exam dates are 7 13 20 7 13

7 and 13 done

5 subjects

Heh

Wdym

Ye

Physics Maths Chemistry English Computer Science

No

These are like final year exams

School days are finished

Yes

Ofc

2 hrs exam

And that's it

This exam is on national level

12th grade if that makes sense

We are supposed to go into a different school just to write the exam and papers are checked by unknown teachers

They could be from anywhere in India teaching that subject

I am 18

[muted fern]

daily has extra checks in it to see if it's a 'fake slash command'

where it was sent as a message instead of a command, seems to happen mostly on mobile

[lucid cobalt]

Then I am fucking wishing you luck

I mean your last is your "Last"

Not previous last

[lucid cobalt]

bruh...

I have 9 subjects

[stark rapids]

Woah

How do you manage to read all of them

[stark rapids]

When was ur last exam
When will be your last exam

[lucid cobalt]

Alright alright my fault

[lucid cobalt]

You will knew when you were in hardcore asian country difficulty game mode

If no success, up coming boss will beat me up

[broken wharf]

Hola

[frank pasture]

Damn was just reading a thread about how the discord api exposes private channels, and uh, it does

Just tried it here, you can see every channel (not contents), just name

[kind sorrel]

yeah

channel description is visible too afaik

[frank pasture]

You can see the last message id too

so if you poll often you can know the rate of messages

[lucid cobalt]

Discord hack

[frank pasture]

Discord api exposes so much that it shouldn't

discord said they wont fix

[frank pasture]

yeah you can lol, just checked

You can see: channel id, last message id, name, poisition, parent id, topic, permissions set, rate limit threshold and if its nsfw

[mellow zinc]

😳

please don't hack me

thanks!

[frank pasture]

lmao could you imagine

but like, I can see report channels, staff channels etc

Pretty cool tbh

[kind sorrel]

(never store your passwords in channel descriptions)

[lucid cobalt]

Is this your first time?

[frank pasture]

wdym

[mellow zinc]

if they exposed the whole messages then that would be awful
if its just channel names and whatever I dont think there's much harm there

[lucid cobalt]

Everyone... kinda already know

[frank pasture]

I only knew because I can see https://twitter.com/joshfraser/status/1524093110116130816?s=20&t=D5fA7MQ0uz3rM6jS1MrKzg

Josh Fraser (joshfraser.eth) (@joshfraser)

Important PSA: Do you run a @discord server? Your private channels are probably not as private as you think. A thread. 👇 1/15

Likes

1921

Retweets

721

Twitter · May 10, 2022, 6:24 PM

[lucid cobalt]

BetterDiscord man

[frank pasture]

Oh I don't use that

so I wouldn't know

[lucid cobalt]

Same like you said

But we can't see the chat

only channels

[frank pasture]

I wonder if you can read the message

if it gives you the last id

[lucid cobalt]

Nope

Reading the msg will result ban

Just channel

That's why betterdiscord are banable

[frank pasture]

o right

I've never used that shit, didn't wanna risk my account

[lucid cobalt]

Yep

[vernal arrow]

With the Discord API you're also able to (with an invite) "join" a server with view-only perms (similar to when you join a server from discovery without clicking "Join"), and with api see channels - all without any of the admins ever seeing you are in the server. It's crazy.

[frank pasture]

wait really lol

thats so spooky

[carmine bridge]

Raymond spooks chazza

It’s probs what Raymond does to ur server

[frank pasture]

Lol, could you imagine

It doesn't really fuss me, if thats how he spends his time lol

[severe crag]

lmao

[frank pasture]

I'm too busy day to day to care what he does 😂

[severe crag]

Dont temp him, he'll join just so spite you

[frank pasture]

Eh I don't mind lol

If thats how he wastes his time

[vernal arrow]

I don't understand why Singlestore costs so much with their managed plan

[frank pasture]

I think its reasonable tbh

[vernal arrow]

Nobody wants to spend 0.65/hr

[frank pasture]

Its not meant for startups

But I see the appeal, they manage your backups, if shit goes wrong etc

Saves you the headache

[vernal arrow]

If you self host it, it's majorly cheaper

[frank pasture]

Yeah I self host, but planning to move there eventually

$420 a month base plan is $14 a day, thats like 1 hour dev time

well half

I see the appeal in that sense

also yes I know Jaya is Raymond, idrc anymore, lol

[carmine bridge]

Raymond ur time isn’t valuable enough to justify spending 0.65/hour on storage instead of saving urself the headache

[frank pasture]

SingleStore has a dope backup system too

I backup nightly, I can restore from my staging dedicated server within mins

(To have test data to tinker with)

[vernal arrow]

Yeah, although my setup costs $10/month (paid 6 months in advance lmao) and is plenty fast enough for me. Backups on linux are easy to setup, I don't have a use for their other features of security logging - ig its up to the business

[frank pasture]

Yeah, its preference based

I have a script for mine, https://charliejoseph.com/blog/configuring-automatic-singlestore-db-backups-to-s3 then I have a cloned dedi (same specs) for staging/dev, so I can play with a copy of live data

To optimise the dashboard and shit like that

[carmine bridge]

Chazza I was starting to like u

Then I saw php in ur activity

[frank pasture]

https://usefathom.com/blog/does-laravel-scale :)

[vernal arrow]

Whats the difference (technically) between html css js and php

Most modern sites use html/js/css, surely it's the better option?

[frank pasture]

HTML - Markup (Page Structure)
CSS - Styling (Design)
JS - Functionality (Making Things Work)
PHP - Server-Side Code (Connecting to DBs, etc)

[carmine bridge]

Lol

[queen jewel]

PHno

[lucid cobalt]

Huh... Skript server very toxic af

[vernal arrow]

So it would be PHP vs JS, right?
(For backend)

[carmine bridge]

Um

If u use nodejs

[elfin minnow]

bruh its the talk of the alts

[frank pasture]

Ye lol

[lucid cobalt]

Alt talking with alt

[queen jewel]

Oh?

[carmine bridge]

Judge I’m gonna

[frank pasture]

They're all raymond, lol

[carmine bridge]

I’m not lol

[queen jewel]

😵

[carmine bridge]

He just trolls Bc it’s what he does

[queen jewel]

Who tf is raymind?

[carmine bridge]

Jaya

[vernal arrow]

A bunch of little kids arguing about indent-based coding language 💀

[lucid cobalt]

Someone who reckless clicking downvote

[queen jewel]

🐍🐍

[frank pasture]

I'm past caring so I just go along with the chats

[lucid cobalt]

They are just fuckery

[elfin minnow]

https://imgur.com/vuwqNdY

[lucid cobalt]

I want to be toxic too but.. I know where I am belong

[queen jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/python-powered-logo-programming-language-gif-16957606

[queen jewel]

Where do you am belong?

[lucid cobalt]

Here

[queen jewel]

Heare

[lucid cobalt]

Where all matured, fun, helping & etc

[queen jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/safemoon-adult-mr-adult-gif-22726823

[lucid cobalt]

I mean like... if they don't want to help just fuck off instead being toxic ffs

[vernal arrow]

Anyone have thoughts on Java vs Kotlin?

[kind sorrel]

the one is a language, the oher one is a different language

hope that helps

[vernal arrow]

ok

[mellow zinc]

hes not wrong!

[fallow crow]

You guys got this?

[dusky sorrel]

Probably fake

[fallow crow]

Nah

[dusky sorrel]

Check the email header

[fallow crow]

It's from PayPal itself

[dusky sorrel]

Id still check the actual email header and see if anything looks off

That email can be spoofed i think

[fallow crow]

Spoofed?

[frank pasture]

Ye I got mine as well

[fallow crow]

Really?

[frank pasture]

Yeah, I'm now -$1,000, thats supposed to be like that right?

[fallow crow]

Focking hell

[fallow crow]

Nah you lying

Make Enterprise then you rich

[frank pasture]

Paypal really be doing this to me

[fallow crow]

What the

Anyways, hru @frank pasture

fuck you @lucid cobalt

[frank pasture]

I'm good haha, you?

[fallow crow]

not bad

[frank pasture]

ayy

[twin dune]

Why such an low upper limit?

[lucid cobalt]

fuck to you too

[frank pasture]

Yeah idk why 😂

[vernal arrow]

im not the only one!

[frank pasture]

Really

[carmine bridge]

bro is more active than all the mods here combined yet gets banned once a week

[elfin minnow]

bro just talks to himself istg

[boreal escarp]

Lol what

[elfin minnow]

jaya is raymond lol

[frank pasture]

ye lol

[lucid cobalt]

Alt talking to alt

[eternal apex]

paypal has had a 20 char limit for a long ass time

when was the last time u changed ur pass

[carmine bridge]

bro is accusing a random child of being raymond

i feel offended ngl

[frank pasture]

a few months ago

[lucid cobalt]

Oh no!

[boreal escarp]

Im talking about this

[eternal apex]

I remember they had a 20 char limit when I signed up years ago

[boreal escarp]

We are very active lol

[elfin minnow]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-gif-24995761

[carmine bridge]

yeah but raymond is in here 24/7 even tho he trolls 23 of those hours

[lucid cobalt]

Imagine talking to alt

[frank pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[lucid cobalt]

@fallow crow like you, fuck yourself

[carmine bridge]

[eternal apex]

did you jsut tag a random person

[frank pasture]

Meant doubt to this

[fallow crow]

nah, fuck yours

[fallow crow]

nah man

he stupid ngl

[eternal apex]

k

[lucid cobalt]

you are bruh

[carmine bridge]

what the gluck is going on

[lucid cobalt]

Well there no rules about inviting alt

[lucid cobalt]

@fallow crow is dumbass

[carmine bridge]

ty for informing me

[fallow crow]

https://tenor.com/view/reverse-nozumi-uno-jojo-card-gif-15706915

[lucid cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/power-legendary-reverse-card-econowise-reverse-card-legendary-uno-reverse-card-uno-legendary-reverse-card-gif-23531292

Hye caily

[fallow bridge]

Your fucking alt

[lucid cobalt]

Really?

[fallow bridge]

Yeah, Kaizil

[lucid cobalt]

I don't know him

[lucid cobalt]

Hru

[fallow bridge]

Bas

Bad

[lucid cobalt]

Whyy

[fallow bridge]

Why not

Bad day bad mood

[lucid cobalt]

Ffs

Sad

Wish you all the best

[fallow bridge]

Wish you all the best instead xd

[broken wharf]

Hola

[velvet crescent]

:moan:

[chilly brook]

3060 😔

[velvet crescent]

Fuck you crying about

[chilly brook]

you not valuing your peso

[velvet crescent]

Considering the price at the time of buying it was the best option

[lucid cobalt]

What cpu?

[velvet crescent]

pentium

[wary willow]

:moan_even_louder:

[velvet crescent]

r5 5600x

[velvet crescent]

It's good enough

[chilly brook]

nah

[broken wharf]

My laptop from 2000 has more ram than that

[chilly brook]

sum low end cpu lol

[velvet crescent]

Which cpu you rocking

[wary willow]

that's the graphic card's memory lol

[velvet crescent]

He's twelve, don't bother

[primal pecan]

does your gpu get higher usage % than cpu in games or have you not tested.

[wary willow]

advice

[fickle quiver]

i love how people just use #970433904517464134 for simple questions now

[velvet crescent]

gpu at 100, cpu at 50

[primal pecan]

yeah should be fine then, as it'd be considered bottlenecking if it was the opposite.

[velvet crescent]

I am aware of how it works yes

Most games don't even require a "good" cpu anymore

[wary willow]

:hah:

[trim raft]

I am not please explain

[wary willow]

get rekt brett

[trim raft]

My career is over

[velvet crescent]

Only thing I'm probably gonna struggle with a bit is overheating, cause gpu is at 80C rn

which is yikes

[primal pecan]

rip the career.

is it a single, dual, or triple fan?

[velvet crescent]

dual

[wary willow]

haha. my laptop is 80-90 as well. xD when I play. its bad

[primal pecan]

is it in the first slot for the most bandwidth in the motherboard where it's the closest to the cpu?

[velvet crescent]

I mean it is jacked to 100% right now, and has been for like an hour so it'll probably be fine when playing other games

[mellow zinc]

thats fine then tbh

[wary willow]

rn my cpu is at 72, having 2 instances of Rider opened, Firefox and Discord. and my gpu at 53 xD

[mellow zinc]

80c full load is not bad

[velvet crescent]

Took the cover off, and it's down to 70c kek

I really just need a better circulating case, and overall pc position

As it's under the desk rn, which ain't ideal

[primal pecan]

is it on carpet?

[velvet crescent]

Nah I ain't a psychopath

[primal pecan]

atx case?

[velvet crescent]

Yes

[primal pecan]

I'd take a look at the meshify c atx case, but it depends on budget ofc etc

as it has some of the best airflow from what I have heard.

[velvet crescent]

I mean this ain't too bad I guess

[primal pecan]

well if you are using it, I would expect it to be hot, but it also depends on the game too.

I run a triple slot AOG rtx 2080 ti, but it barely hits 40c in 100% usage.

[velvet crescent]

Yea this is an extreme case, in most games it eats up like nothing

[primal pecan]

sounds cool, was it just a overall pc upgrade, or a need for x to solve y problem.

[velvet crescent]

Well, it was a I've been trying to upgrade for 2 years, but new stuff keeps coming, but then my current stuff is pretty underperforming, so why not upgrade and have it perform well for a few more years

[primal pecan]

Makes sense, how's your one project going that you previously have shown in #showcase.

[velvet crescent]

funny you should ask, had my final presentation today

It's still not finished 100%, but once it is I'll post a quick video of it working

Gotta love newegg prices https://www.newegg.com/gigabyte-radeon-rx-570-gv-rx570aorus-4gd/p/N82E16814125965?Description=rx 570&cm_re=rx_570-_-9SIAGSCGRM4273-_-Product&quicklink=true

[vague walrus]

Can't believe Brett's career is over

[wary willow]

it was over before it even began

@velvet crescent how you feel about the rumours that the 40 series are coming out in a couple months and the performance could be double?

[velvet crescent]

The price will also be like 3k+ so I feel pretty good lmao

[wary willow]

true. most likely

and the power consumption probably double as well

[velvet crescent]

Yea, so in the end, it'll probably be a year or two before it's stable

[broken wharf]

oop, im blind

[trim raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC1CqyCN9Q0&ab_channel=DistroTube

[wary willow]

haha. late

.

damn brett. you're becoming irrelevant.

like 12 days late?

[fallow crow]

[wary willow]

yes?

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[wary willow]

I disagree

[stark rapids]

gravity dude

[wary willow]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-business-business-nigerian-boy-aki-and-pawpaw-gif-17327862

man I love that video

[twin dune]

Looking for opinions. I'm torn between getting a solid website made and paying subscription for a builder like Wix, Squarespace or Weebly.

I like the idea of being able to host it myself, but the builders make it easy for me to make changes. I've tried solutions like Wordpress but those are more for blogs and I've struggled to work with them.

chazza 👀

[frank pasture]

Go with what’s best for you, IMO perks and trade offs to both

[twin dune]

Yup.

[frank pasture]

Perk of a custom site? Better SEO, and Accessibility, trade off? Requires knowing how to dev to make big changes (or hiring)

Perk of a builder? You can maintain it yourself, all in house, but seo and accessibility usuallt suffers

Though seo and accessibility isn’t as big of an issue with personal sites, as it’s more direct

[twin dune]

Don't suppose I can hire you for £10 a month?

joking btw

[frank pasture]

Yeah, I can do your navigation by itself

😂

Your entire site is just

<logo> home portfolio contact

[stark rapids]

Make him cms

Using php

[young mortar]

watch out, he'll infect your site with PHP

that's why he's so cheap

[stark rapids]

Lmfao

[frank pasture]

Fuck, you got me

That is a joke, before anyone screenshots and uses that later on 😂

[stark rapids]

Php is great

[frank pasture]

I can’t lie, being FR, PHP is genuinely amazing, and people should try it

It scales amazingly well

It’s fantastic to utilise with the Laravel framework, I couldn’t go back to JavaScript based frameworks

[young mortar]

It just offers less and has a worse syntax than basically ever other MVC framework

RoR, Django, Spring, ASP.NET, etc.

[frank pasture]

What does it offer less of?

[young mortar]

Less libraries, less common users, less language features, less tooling, etc.

Just not a really good vibe, I looked into it and tried to use it

But using like Django, there's libraries for anything you can think of right

and like PIL for image manipulation, django-redis for Redis caching, django-infinite-pagination for correct pagination

[frank pasture]

Less libraries = what do you mean? There are many first and third party ones

Less common users = what do you mean? Laravel is huge

Less language features = what do you mean?

Less tooling = what do you mean?

The big perk personally with laravel, was how it’s ran by a company, and there are many first party packages for everything, so it’s maintained (as a financial backing)

[young mortar]

Being run by a company is a perk?

I would very much disagree

[frank pasture]

Being financially backed is

More incentive to keep it going

[young mortar]

I think all the open source projects that I mentioned above are doing just fine

[frank pasture]

Being first party too helps, more incentive to work on latest, with third party devs could think fuck, why bother

[young mortar]

What does "being first party" mean exactly?

[light scaffold]

Fewer libraries, fewer common users, fewer language features, less tooling, etc.*

[stark rapids]

Here we go again

[frank pasture]

Being built by the company that made the framework

[frank pasture]

It’s just a chat, so it’s all good

Nice to hear both sides

[stark rapids]

Everytime.

[twin dune]

Chazza, do me a favour and tell me if the text is all-over the place.
https://mackenziemolloy.net/

[young mortar]

I actually disagree heavily, having a strong open source community means that anyone can contribute easily by making extra addons and stuff, and you get the full advantages of the Python ecosystem in Django, for example

[twin dune]

Incognito shows it correctly, but regular doesn't for some reason.

[frank pasture]

On mobile

[twin dune]

and yes, I have spammed F5

[light scaffold]

if PHP is so good, what about VB.NET?

[twin dune]

gucci

[young mortar]

I much prefer a distributed, free as in freedom, and open source development model than a tight, closed, company provided model

[twin dune]

wait

fuck, that's the all cached shit

*old

[twin dune]

Are you able to refresh your mobile browser? 🤣

[young mortar]

https://i.imgur.com/Z0A54JX.png

This is also a very interesting chart, from the Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2021

[light scaffold]

appeal to authority fallacy

[young mortar]

Though this doesn't really distinguish between frontend and backend frameworks, it's still telling that Laravel is only above RoR of the ones I listed above

[light scaffold]

and vox populi falacy

🤓

[young mortar]

I mean that's a direct argument for his statement that "Laravel has tons of users", when it has less than basically every other framework I listed above

[light scaffold]

dont care

[wary willow]

ha. I knew it

[young mortar]

like, the things that made PHP cool were being able to embed it in HTML files and just write a quick web thing

[light scaffold]

"cool"

[young mortar]

but for big backend frameworks, there are lots of better options these days

[frank pasture]

I always say, they’re all tools, use what you want to use

Don’t use somerhint because “there are better options these days”

[light scaffold]

ever heard of haskell

[frank pasture]

If something works, use it

[young mortar]

I mean yeah but when provided with something that works better, generally most people will go to that

[frank pasture]

I think they shouldn’t

Don’t use the latest and greatest because it’s hyped

Use it because it’ll help you deliver quicker

[young mortar]

Django, ASP, Spring, etc. are not the latest and greatest by any means lmao

They are reliable, free as in freedom, and fully open source, with an amazing open source community surrounding them

[light scaffold]

https://ihp.digitallyinduced.com/ if you use anything but this you're stupid

yeah that shut you up didnt it

[fervent hound]

uh, I remember there was a bot that investigate your timings report and tell you how to improve it, where can I find a server with this bot?

[lime fjord]

hoi

[real summit]

https://github.com/Pemigrade/botflop

[fickle quiver]

less than angular.js 💀

[young mortar]

yeah that's not really a backend framework lmao

[fickle quiver]

what's the metric even

most used?

[young mortar]

yeah I think that one is "the most people clicked that they had used it last year" in the Stack Overflow dev survey 2021

I also saw another one that was "most loved web frameworks" and it was basically the same list but ASP went up lol

[fickle quiver]

svelte too probably

[young mortar]

goddamn, Svelte is at the top of most Loved

[eternal apex]

tf is svelte

[young mortar]

JS web framework

[velvet crescent]

Svelte deez nuts

[fickle quiver]

svelte is amazing

[young mortar]

I'm a Django user and I hate JS, what's so good about it?

[fickle quiver]

its a compiler that compiles your code and dependencies down so your bundle is incredibly small

making it insanely fast

reactivity is also very very easy

[young mortar]

is it like... a nice backend framework?

[fickle quiver]

frontend

[young mortar]

oh

like an alternative to vue and react?

[fickle quiver]

yup

[young mortar]

ah

i really wish they distinguished backend from frontend frameworks

[fickle quiver]

in its current state better for smaller applications

[fickle quiver]

some are both tho

like next.js

and a bunch of others ofc

https://youtu.be/FQPlEnKav48

[young mortar]

next is frontend too?

hmm

[fickle quiver]

amazing video

next is frontend with react and ssr

[young mortar]

oh well that's not frontend

react is the frontend

[fickle quiver]

react is a library

next is the framework

react with next is nothing like react with vite or cra

[young mortar]

would you not consider react a web framework?

[fickle quiver]

i wouldn't

[young mortar]

hmm, Stack Overflow does

in fact, it's #4 in most loved lmao

[fickle quiver]

makes sense

[young mortar]

next actually isn't even on the 2021 one lmao

[fickle quiver]

the debate between library and framework is quite old now haha

tbh if i were building a frontend i would only consider next nuxt and svelte

i love js ecosystem naming

nuxt next nest are all very different

[young mortar]

i actually moderately hate js lmao

very unsafe

[fickle quiver]

same

typescript all the way

so much more scalable

[young mortar]

yeah

i dunno, i like big MVC frameworks

Django is my favorite right now at least

though I never really liked frontend and/or web stuff that much

[stark rapids]

https://c.tenor.com/jM0aoM8e-iEAAAAM/web-developer-mycrxn.gif

[fickle quiver]

i kinda like web stuff

its constantly improving very fast

[young mortar]

i don't know if i would consider the JS sprawl "improving" haha

[fickle quiver]

i would

[young mortar]

i want more strong backend frameworks and a new language for the web

WASM can't come soon enough

[fickle quiver]

nuxt v3 is insanely promising and has so many cool new features

wasm won't replace js

at all

[young mortar]

well

i wish something would

out of curiosity, what does nuxt v3 change that's so radical and cool?

[frank pasture]

“Typescript” “scaling”, not sure how they both correlate? Anything can scale

Doesn’t have to be typescript as the cause

And nuxt 3 is amazing, my business site is built with it, and it’s amazing

[young mortar]

dynamic languages tend to be harder to scale as errors are harder to catch and harder to solve

especially JS and such, that can fail silently in a million different ways

[frank pasture]

Ah, I inferred “scaling” as being able to take on more users / requests etc

Reminds me, I need to enable Octane at some stage for Laravel, would boost me to 25k requests per second

[young mortar]

ah yeah, we're moreso talking about codebase size

[frank pasture]

Ahhh I see

Yeah

[young mortar]

i work with a very large django project at my work, and doing errors and stuff is so annoying

useless stack traces, complex runtime stuff

[frank pasture]

Yeah I’m sure error catching it’s prob easier with something typed

[young mortar]

that is the point of type systems after all lmao

[frank pasture]

Yeah 😂 Analyse is using Nuxt 3 for landing and blogs, Nuxt has some nice packages

I wouldn’t use it for my dashboard but it’s really cool

[young mortar]

just like PHP too much?

or is there something that makes it unsuitable lmao

[frank pasture]

I use Vue for my dashboard too, but it’s easier to pass props via Laravel

As I use https://inertiajs.com

It’s basically a middleware between Laravel and Vue

[young mortar]

god there's so much stuff in web dev

[frank pasture]

Inertia is so cool, I love it

Don’t hear much of remix these days

I remember that was like talked about everywhere on launch

[young mortar]

https://i.imgur.com/Qks0vQf.png

damn, not a good graph for PHP lmao

[frank pasture]

I think PHP is the highest, not in that chart

Because it’s used in Wordpress

Wikipedia uses PHP etc

[young mortar]

ah but chazza, we're not talking raw numbers here

we're talking developer experience

[frank pasture]

Ohh

[young mortar]

that's a chart of "What frameworks do people want to use but do not currently"

[frank pasture]

Laravel has been growing rapidly, not sure what % use it

[young mortar]

https://i.imgur.com/hhp37sQ.png

just over the 50% mark

[frank pasture]

I think everything is preference based, I personally think it has the best DX, solely because of ease etc

i couldn't go back to using JS based frameworks

The amount of headache I had

[young mortar]

I mean JS and PHP are very similar lol

there are frameworks virtually identical to Laravel in JS land

[frank pasture]

Theres one I don't remember the name I saw

begins with A

Adonis!

https://adonisjs.com/

[young mortar]

yeah looks like PHP just less clunky

[frank pasture]

Adonis landing is nice, I need this style for my business 😂 tho tbf I've considered going to the dark side

[young mortar]

as you should, dark mode is the way

[frank pasture]

If I did, I'd want something like my friends site

I like this style of dark

[young mortar]

blue dark yeah, my preference too

[frank pasture]

ye, its not too dark

but has that nice tint

Really love https://incident.io/ landing page

One of my fav

[young mortar]

surprised you aren't using a Swift-based framework chazza

you're a macOS lover right?

[light scaffold]

surprised you aren't using a C# based framework

oh wait

[young mortar]

lmao

i'm not even

i've never used ASP

Django 4 lyfe baby

[frank pasture]

lol

[stark rapids]

Discord should partner with linkedin

: /

[eternal apex]

why

[wary willow]

exactly. why

I assume you want a way to link your LinkedIn account in your User Info?

[eternal apex]

f

[wary willow]

slight w

[eternal apex]

I was tossing between L and f

L for being a bot in the first place

but didn't make sense for getting unflagged

f, not as in the respects, more like a big fat f for being a bot in the first place, but can also be viewed in a positive light now that you're unflagged

but still imagine being a bot and getting flagged lol

but not to the worst of us?

[wary willow]

you're saying that you're the best of us? then we're fucked

[stark rapids]

ye

[wary willow]

not a bad idea. dk if they actually need to partner with them for this tho

[eternal apex]

don't think they need any arrangement with linkedin

[stark rapids]

but discordians do use linkedin

[eternal apex]

that's a myth

[wary willow]

we're saying that for them to add that feature, they don't actually need to partner most likely

[fallow bridge]

hi

[wary willow]

hello

[stark rapids]

that was fast blitz

gentleman blitz 88

[wary willow]

fast?

where?

I need to meet him

[fallow bridge]

wsup