off-topic

[blazing oar]

Also, this is quite.... an uninformed take.

[hard ore]

AI wastes water primarily through evaporative cooling in data centers, where millions of gallons of potable water evaporate to cool servers. Large data centers can consume up to 5 million gallons per day, with roughly 80% of withdrawn water evaporating. Additionally, water is wasted via indirect electricity generation (power plants) and in semiconductor manufacturing.

Use /report

[blazing oar]

modern data centers reuse and actually have a closed circuit cooling.

[hard ore]

Still wastes world resources

[blazing oar]

well, yes and no

[hard ore]

And also what you say isnt true

[magic summit]

And how many are modern?

[hard ore]

You think running all that wayer is just generating electricity or something ?

XD

Ita wasting

[blazing oar]

Well, pretty sure I know for a fact it's true, visited a data center 2 weeks ago 💀

[hard ore]

Yeah 1

[blazing oar]

yeah, where I got told they have many more like it

lol

[hard ore]

Theres over 11000 world wide

[blazing oar]

and even then, 1 is already more than you lol

[magic summit]

Also, to repeat: no water cycle is perfect.
There is always loss requiring to pull in more from somrewhere

[blazing oar]

data centers are not a waste of resources. The usage is. 2 distinct things people often confuse

[hard ore]

Ive been to a couple too its cool to see but i dont go "hm this is good for the world" my dream job is actually working at has been since i was 15 but i can still realize its wasting natural resources

[ripe blade]

but like it all doesnt "destroy" water, it just uses water that eventually returns to the environment through the natural water cycle

[blazing oar]

there are FAR more wasteful things in the world, like, A LOT

[hard ore]

WELL OFC why would you think i didnt mean the usage if it

[hard ore]

Still ruining local habitats

[magic summit]

There are also apparently sound emissions that can cause issues

[ripe blade]

so is everything else

[hard ore]

Yes... can i not be against that:?:

[blazing oar]

by your logic, you should also stop eating beef

[ripe blade]

do you live outside?

[blazing oar]

become vegan

[hard ore]

We could live to eat less

[blazing oar]

no, not less

just don't eat beef

[hard ore]

Mah vegans waste more resources and water in general

[ripe blade]

your house ruined local habitat as well, why dont u live outside if u are against that

[hard ore]

Growings plants take a decent bit

[blazing oar]

then just don't eat

don't waste resources like that!

[hard ore]

"By your logic" youre just stretching what i may or may not believe.

[hard ore]

I mean if i could

Its okay to use resources to survive

But i can live without ai

Your point is pointless

[magic summit]

Depends on what.
If you talk soja, then production for feeding livestock is the biggest influence on nature

[blazing oar]

no, I am actually telling you to not eat beef. A single steak uses WAY more water than data centers lol

Without data centers, you wouldn't have 70% of what you have today

so, is it really wasted resources?

(besides the cats playing piano videos, those are.)

[hard ore]

True. And in general i dont eat much beef 💀

[hard ore]

Ai is the biggest culprit. We can live without ai

[blazing oar]

we can

[hard ore]

Im young i want my future to exist

[blazing oar]

but there is one small thing you don't understand or forget

the AI you use, and AI you hear about is just slop, just like #showcase lol

that doesn't mean all AI (not even AI but okay) is actually bad

[hard ore]

Yes theres different types of ai

Ai isnt bad

[blazing oar]

a ton of medical advancements have been done due to AI

[hard ore]

But yk what im actually talking about

[blazing oar]

if you are talking about chatgpt and cats riding bikes around a circle of fire

then the issue isn't data centers

lol

the issue is the consumers.

in other words, people like you and me

[magic summit]

Pretty sure we all don't talk about AI like f.e. enemy AI in your FPS game

[hard ore]

Ik my dad devops them ik the actual irl use cases of ai but you KNOW im talking about slop like immage creaton and video generation :<

[blazing oar]

Heck, look at microslop begging people to use copilot 💀, that quite literally shows you who has the power.

[hard ore]

Its also thw companies providing that

[blazing oar]

Spoiler alert: Consumers have the power in the AI market

[hard ore]

True

Im not against all ai ofc im not stupid but i am against slop

[blazing oar]

the issue is that consumers are STUPID af and blinded by marketing while not actually understanding how or what AI is (see #showcase again for examples)

[hard ore]

I alr did

[magic summit]

Only issue is people having less choice if 90% pretty much force it on you.

[blazing oar]

so, data centers aren't the issue lol

how so?

choice?

there is a TON of choice

idk what you talking about

lol

[hard ore]

Ngl if #showcase is a self build ai modle thats just fed on already exists schematics its kinda cool

[hard ore]

Thats just not true

[blazing oar]

it's just a fine tuned model most likely, using stolen builds, which is simply unethical

[magic summit]

An example, committing stuff on GitHub now has copilot generate messages.
It's not really forced (yet), but also not opt-in...

[hard ore]

True true. Better then 100% genai

[blazing oar]

uh, sir, the fact it's not forced means it's opt-in lol

if you have to click smt for it to happen, it's opt-in

lol

[hard ore]

They dont work like 80% of the time. Every time i start a new project it works for 5 files then just says "Updated xxxxx"

[magic summit]

Not really.
I consider opt-in not having it at all

[hard ore]

Nah its on by default

[blazing oar]

it is not lol

[hard ore]

Really?

Then i must have been clicking blind xD

[blazing oar]

I legit had to search it up once he said that

I NEVER had it

[hard ore]

Its useless af

And barely works

Once updated 1 line of code from "1.2.2" to "1.2.3" and it took 10 seconds to say "updated version"

[magic summit]

Every time I commit there is "Copilot is thinking..." autofilling the commit message box, unless I stop it by writing stuff in the like 2 secs I have.

[blazing oar]

lol wtf

never had that

wtf are you using?

[magic summit]

Lucky you then.

[blazing oar]

git cli?

intellij?

[hard ore]

Nah just base github

[magic summit]

Github web bruh

[blazing oar]

bruh

yeah never had that

[hard ore]

Are you American?

[blazing oar]

no

[magic summit]

Also, GitHub now has a models tab on repos 💀

[blazing oar]

well yeah

GH copilot is a thing

lol

[hard ore]

I dont use that

[blazing oar]

GH is also ran by Microslop's AI Core team now

has been for a few months

[magic summit]

I don't either

[hard ore]

Are there any actual good alternatives?

[blazing oar]

but back to choices, you still have choices. Don't use github lol

don't like windows slop? Use linux

there are always options, people are just lazy

[magic summit]

And I honestly consider unfollowing their Changelog account on the blue bird site

[blazing oar]

no

some people would say codeberg

but god, I hate that shit

lol

[hard ore]

😭

[magic summit]

Every second update is "Copilot this, copilot that"

[hard ore]

Isnt there another git something

[blazing oar]

GH is far, FAR from having proper competition

[blazing oar]

gitlab

that one sucks too

[hard ore]

Damm

Alr

Good to know

[magic summit]

Ey! No hate for it when I'm here!

[blazing oar]

I hate it because of you

lol

[magic summit]

K

[blazing oar]

My first ever interaction with codeberg was because you host your stuff there

lol

otherwise I would've never touched it

[hard ore]

XD

[blazing oar]

sooo, I blame my hate on codeberg, on you andre

if I had never touched it, my opinion on it would've been neutral

[magic summit]

Sucks to be you

[blazing oar]

I am not the one using codeberg

😎

[hard ore]

I think hes enjoying his life ngl

Seems pretty chilled out

[blazing oar]

not at the moment, have a fking exam on saturday

life not gud

[hard ore]

Gl

[magic summit]

I do like codeberg.
It's nice for what it is.

[blazing oar]

thanks 🫡

[magic summit]

And it provides me with such an easy way to make website previews for PRs

[hard ore]

So does github

[blazing oar]

Also, just to be clear for the "Ugh you hate AI" people that may read this later. I don't hate AI, I hate vibe coders. Fuck those degenerates. Thanks, much love ❤️

[olive rune]

damn yaps

[hard ore]

Your pfp is small

[magic summit]

Nope

[hard ore]

Wdym nope?

[blazing oar]

GH is legit like 1 click integration

lol

[olive rune]

says who 😭

[magic summit]

Gh has no deploy preview. At least not for public yet

[hard ore]

I use cloudflare static page based on github

[blazing oar]

yk what else is small?

you are correct. @sage robin

he is a short boy

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/aryx99-jjk-fraud-femboys-sukuna-tree-chicken-gif-14018838635748057709

[hard ore]

Me...

[blazing oar]

GH itself no, but has integrations with a bunch of places lol

vercel, CF, render, appwrite, and god knows who

[hard ore]

Im 6'9 ty verry much

[blazing oar]

sir

we european here

[olive rune]

we close coz i am 6'7

[magic summit]

The main issue I have with CF pages and similar, is that you never just have the preview feature.
It usually always also has a main deployment.
And if you use a different service for that, then it's wasted.

[hard ore]

207cm

Im European too

[blazing oar]

why tf did you say it in inches then

[olive rune]

counting in freedom units

[blazing oar]

also 207cm sounds very unrealistic

unless you are a skyscrapper

[magic summit]

Also, it's 3rd-party. Yet another service you need to use.

[hard ore]

its on my passport

Im from the Netherlands we are all tall here im just a lil extra tall

[blazing oar]

pretty sure they do lol

[magic summit]

Last time I checked they didn't

[blazing oar]

I have seen some repos with CF previews

lol

[hard ore]

Dont set your cf to auto deploy dummy

[blazing oar]

yk...

[magic summit]

Still a 3rd party service tho

[hard ore]

I know?

[blazing oar]

sorry to tell you but there is this one study that says tall people have shorter lifespans

xD

[hard ore]

Yeah ik

Same with 2 other things i have

Im statically to die ay 60

[blazing oar]

💀

[hard ore]

But cant let that get in my way now can i

Tf is sulking about the future going to do xD

[blazing oar]

we all lucky if we survive 5 more years anyways...

xD

[hard ore]

God ill be happy when i wake up tmr

[blazing oar]

and what's the issue with that? you want a centralized place for everything? That sounds bad lol

[magic summit]

On codeberg I push to a branch and just use @<branch> in my URL and call it a day.

F.e. https://preview.andre601.ch/@website~136

[blazing oar]

eh, too much work

[magic summit]

Anyways. Battery low and I need sleep.
See ya

[blazing oar]

who even needs previews

[hard ore]

Ft

Fr

Just do it correctly the first time

[blazing oar]

BRO

THE EXACT moment you said that

[hard ore]

Are on a laptop?

[blazing oar]

straight to prod

[hard ore]

Prod?

[magic summit]

People making sure a PR doesn't mess with their site?

Like, you just yolo your stuff?

[blazing oar]

yes. I only bring my laptop when I come to germany for uni...

so that I don't have any distractions

[hard ore]

Icic what university?

[blazing oar]

weekends I go back to luxembourg, and I play on my PC there

Saarland University

[hard ore]

Ewwww Luxembourg

[blazing oar]

AYO

we gonna have an issue?!

[hard ore]

Just stay in Germany you know you want to

[magic summit]

I have 15% but battery is so used it drops fast at ~12%

[hard ore]

I dont respect Luxembourg enough to even call it a country

./j

[olive rune]

you all have batteries

[hard ore]

You do too snob

[olive rune]

chilllllll

[blazing oar]

skill issue

[olive rune]

69300

[hard ore]

XD yk i was kidding right?

[blazing oar]

me too

just gotta assert dominance

[hard ore]

Alr alr

[hard ore]

BAHA

Alr ehh

What does the Netherlands have

Alr VOC

[olive rune]

ngl he was not kidding at all he didnt even know the stats

he a dumb

[blazing oar]

you could easily counter me by saying "ASML"

[hard ore]

VOC

Modt successful company of all times

Ever

In history

And ehhh we ate our prime minister once

Thats kinda neat

Ig

[olive rune]

wtf you ate him

[hard ore]

In 1672

[olive rune]

damn you so old grampa

[hard ore]

We didn't like him so we executed him and some ppl started biting and eating him

[hard ore]

Grampa? Youre assuming my gender? Rude

[olive rune]

i trust you with this bs

[olive rune]

oka granma not trying to be rude

[blazing oar]

pretty sure ASML is the biggest company (and probably most important) in the netherlands

not the biggest/richest in europe, but def. most important

[hard ore]

Mhm mhm

Ik

[olive rune]

you Netherlandian?

[blazing oar]

no

lol

[hard ore]

But voc had biggest gains

[blazing oar]

I am technically luxembourgish

but also technically portuguese

(I have double nationality)

[olive rune]

bro said like he is rich or smthng

[hard ore]

I am

[blazing oar]

I am not

I am a brokie

[olive rune]

me too sed lyfe 🥀

[blazing oar]

💀

oh no

[hard ore]

Now i suddenly respect you

[olive rune]

and what do you mean by technically??

[blazing oar]

well, I am actually born in portugal so

extra bonus respect

[olive rune]

someone fixed the bug in the middle or what 😭

[hard ore]

XD

I honestly dont care where ppl are from as long as you can speak English its cool (i dont hate non English speakers but i wont understand them(

[blazing oar]

born in portugal, applied dual citizenship hence technically

[hard ore]

You into football?

[blazing oar]

(Also technically cause I am pretty sure my ID is expired atm)

[blazing oar]

not rlly

[olive rune]

😛

[blazing oar]

I care

I have a special place in my heart for americans

[hard ore]

The bottom if it? I assume?

[blazing oar]

nono

ofc not

top of it

[olive rune]

you going to deported or what

[blazing oar]

I love making jokes about them

[hard ore]

Wait is top best or worst?

In yoir view

[blazing oar]

why would I? lol

Schengen my friend

[olive rune]

idk why i even asked that

[hard ore]

Bro hes losing his Portuguese id probably if its expired

[blazing oar]

best, but ofc america is only at the top because for me, america is a joke

and jokes make me laugh = me happy

[olive rune]

from the convo we having i think lopiks is short dud who is tiny

[hard ore]

Isnt bottom best?

[blazing oar]

nha, actually it's the luxembourgish id one that is expired

[hard ore]

"From the bottom of my heart xxxxx"

[blazing oar]

but I already renewed it, just waiting for the idcard to arrive

[blazing oar]

you have a point....

[hard ore]

Not a good one but yes

My cat is lowk cute

[olive rune]

are we gonna gate americans like this

[blazing oar]

cats are pog

anyways, it's my time

[olive rune]

you da real cute

[blazing oar]

to also leave the world wide web

[hard ore]

I dont like you

Just letting you know

[blazing oar]

We shall see if I can access the world wide web tomorrow

[olive rune]

hmmm thats quick

[olive rune]

we will

[blazing oar]

or if Iran will blow up with all the fiber cables

lol

[olive rune]

damn

[hard ore]

😭

[olive rune]

is retro okay

[hard ore]

World war 3

[blazing oar]

iran could basically cut 95% of the whole internet

[olive rune]

damn this means he dont have internet rn now

[blazing oar]

or well, not cut, since there are different routes, but it would slow internet and cause huge traffic jams

and possibly collapse the infrastructure

lol

[hard ore]

Can we just nuke all bad ppl like heat seeking bad ppl nukes idk

[blazing oar]

yk...

[olive rune]

we can

[blazing oar]

I know one specific country

[olive rune]

i dont have the resources

[blazing oar]

that I am pretty sure was promised a nuke 3000 years ago...

[olive rune]

hehehehehe

3001 years ago btw

[blazing oar]

yeah mb

[hard ore]

This is why i dont like you

[blazing oar]

anyways, adios, me go sleep

[hard ore]

Gn

[olive rune]

wdym whyy

[olive rune]

gn muah

[hard ore]

Muah?

[olive rune]

see he react with heart emoji so yea 😏

[hard ore]

I meant what does that mean

My first thought was a kiss

[olive rune]

goodnight kiss

[hard ore]

But if you type a kiss that way

I just dont like you further

"Mwah" only correct way

[olive rune]

bro you straight up hate me for no reason

[hard ore]

True

[olive rune]

L lopkiss

[hard ore]

Nah

Im cool

[olive rune]

lol jk

yes you are

[olive rune]

but why your username is lopkiss

[hard ore]

Why is yours paglet

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[olive rune]

go sleep atp

[grand dirge]

[hard ore]

I chose ot when i was 8

Its goated

And i use it everywhere

[olive rune]

how old are you 🧐

dont say 9

[sage robin]

greetings and salutations

[olive rune]

bro is alive

[hard ore]

With a 1 infront

[olive rune]

you 91?

[hard ore]

Smarty

Stfu

Stupid bot

Telling me i use too many caps

[hard ore]

19

[olive rune]

oh

[olive rune]

why you use short avatar in your pfp?

[hard ore]

Wdym??

My real pfp or the one on helpchat

[olive rune]

your whole avatar fits in the pfp

[olive rune]

both 😏

[hard ore]

Cuss the ping thing would block it

[hard ore]

My pfps are goated

Both are matching

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-shocked-funny-memes-gif-2651717394134726385

[olive rune]

you litterally slaying gurll..

[hard ore]

Aww ty

Im a guy though

^-^

[olive rune]

yea thats why i said

gurll...

[hard ore]

Okidoki

[olive rune]

what is the code bro

[hard ore]

12345

Its bad rn

[olive rune]

yea

you can improve tho

but it looks ai ngl

[hard ore]

How?

[olive rune]

the bluish dark theme

thats what claude generrates everytime

[hard ore]

💀 alr im making it red

[hard ore]

Hover over the pfp top right that was kinda fun to make ngl

[olive rune]

ohh looks cool

[hard ore]

I have a 2nd website where i have a simple ui to change it

Pretty neat

[olive rune]

in mobile the design fail

[olive rune]

hmm 🤔

show me

[hard ore]

Shhhhhhhh

[hard ore]

Dm

[olive rune]

alright

[sage robin]

@muted fern

remove BAAS

please and ty :]

[muted fern]

dont randomly tag me smh

[grand dirge]

sora is closing soon

[olive rune]

we know broski we know

[olive rune]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1438296023708729387/1441232304113586346/a_657e1f59d31e0310bacd9adb7e846fce.gif

[grand dirge]

[olive rune]

imagine using two emojis and you have to edit them

[sage robin]

bro please remove it

im asking nicely 🥀

[grand dirge]

you don't have to imagine

[olive rune]

thats a pretty much roast ig

https://tenor.com/view/joke-stickfigure-not-affected-gif-14391548

[grand dirge]

[muted gulch]

hey

[kind brook]

Hello

[sage robin]

@muted fern fr whenu gonna remove baas

[muted fern]

.

[sage robin]

i don't like cubes either

but here we are

[grand dirge]

no one likes bob

[hard ore]

Ik bob is a skeleton but i secretary hope he dies again

[long jasper]

secretary

[solar sinew]

$25 😭

for MMORPG too 😭

[naive agate]

Ill take 10

[grand dirge]

might as well be free

[cerulean radish]

experienced developer require to know EVERYTHING about minecraft

[violet gyro]

Models, menu textures and development for 25 dollars per month is beyond crazy

[olive rune]

you are hidden gem

but 25 dollar 😭 its sounds 2 hours work price

[frozen escarp]

lol not even

[olive rune]

new character with a awesome pfp

[olive rune]

umm what that sentence even mean

[frozen escarp]

new?

ive been here since 2020 lol

[olive rune]

hmm when covid is on peak not something cool bro everyone was trying something new due to boredom 😑

[winter compass]

Buddy u r the random here

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/benjammins-ishowspeed-random-random-guy-random-kid-gif-9961336359344932847

[sage robin]

bro cube i beg you give me my rights back

i want to send gifs again

im a booster men, #boosterrighs 🥹✊

[mellow zinc]

[olive rune]

hahahahau

[sage robin]

istg thats targetted asf

if barrys source is public

bet you its some bullshi like

[olive rune]

it is open source isnt it? 😭

[sage robin]

if player name is retromf then strike him down and dont let him breathe or have fun

some bullshi like that

🥀

[olive rune]

ice

[frozen escarp]

nothing to do with covid

[sage robin]

i actually want img perms again tho fr

helpchat gods if u can hear me

please help me bro

please get these people away from me

i want to send imgs again 🥹

[olive rune]

just joking 😃

[olive rune]

gods are bro?

[frozen escarp]

I'm in Australia and did not affect us at that point in time, so that statement was irrelevant

[olive rune]

alr chillllll

was just joking

[sage robin]

vegemite is horrible

just letting you know

[frozen escarp]

Please stop mentioning me

[olive rune]

fahhh

[sage robin]

what

[olive rune]

he saying to me

[frozen escarp]

agreed, its crap lol

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-meme-trying-not-to-laugh-laugh-homeless-gif-9458928528704746136

[olive rune]

hey try to send any random gif that you didnt use before

[sage robin]

;c

[olive rune]

try giphy or tenor

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/i-agree-with-everything-i-agree-yes-i-agree-with-you-well-said-gif-6033601172541936059

so cool

[grand dirge]

#showcase message this is p cool

[lament tendon]

Slop made slop maker for sloppy people

[rigid surge]

Hi chat

[lament tendon]

Nothing wrong, yet it takes the value of builds away

[stark rapids]

nighmare for mc builders

[olive rune]

its awesome

[grand dirge]

yeah

all those downvotes from mc builders

that litreally took him about a minute to make xD

[stark rapids]

"you cant make what we can" ahh people

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[sick valley]

who ghost pinged me

[strange estuary]

Eh not imo

Like obviously it’s gonna get misused by noobs and lazy people but for me personally it’d be a nice tool. Having something that I can make little test maps with for mini games like bedwars

[simple gull]

Hello

[strange estuary]

Been waiting for an AI builds tool

[winter compass]

hmm

[olive rune]

yea we all know its only for small builds

[strange estuary]

Can’t really hate the player, hate the game, the structure of things made us get to this point

[lament tendon]

They're test maps, flat stone islands are enough
If it was taking time and effort, and no longer does, means it's making things worthless

[lament tendon]

Exactly
Don't hate the person using it
Hate the tool

[strange estuary]

Well not really if you want like player testing having a “real” map is nice

But yeah I get what you mean

[strange estuary]

I don’t really hate the tool either cuz like the landscape of the internet has made it get to this point

But at the same time more tools = more problems so yeah

[lament tendon]

The negatives are more than the positives
Making builds literally makes you have connections with them, being proud of some ideas you had, seeing your progress on them
Only for someone to just pay a couple of cents and get something that was inspired by the people's creativity and effort
If you don't have enough experience with building, you will not have the full picture of the feeling, but I'm sure you can imagine it

[lament tendon]

That's not an excuse imo
If everyone smokes I won't smoke

[strange estuary]

I’ve always been a bad builder but I focused all my time on developing, but unfortunately learning to build was just never a priority. So for someone in my position, I could hire a builder, buy a premade, etc

Hiring builders is pricey for people and I can see why people don’t even tho I consider building to be the most important “profession” in mc freelancing

Premade builds to me usually have no soul and and nearly have equivalence to the AI builds but that may be an unpopular opinion

[strange estuary]

Good point

[lament tendon]

Well, some cheap ones are
I get your point though, if you don't make it you won't really care too much
But if you see a build with so many details and attention, you'll love it
But if the same thing was done by AI, it'll still feel worthless. A "wow" moment but nothing to be proud of or considerate about

[strange estuary]

That’s fair yeah, I agree

[winter compass]

obviouslee you agree

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-away-tiger-gif-13828540

[lean python]

[rare meteor]

Community is divided

[violet gyro]

Never seen such a vote division

Cancels out to be neutral lmao

[rare meteor]

It was 18 18 I voted 19th lmao

[vagrant pike]

from technical perspective - sure it's quite interesting, though its still an AI slop generator, which, I'd say, quite a lot of people hate (I suppose half of them)

[lament tendon]

I'd say all of them, yet not wise enough to understand

[keen narwhal]

Guys, I edited the message to explain it well. The only reason there are so many downvotes is that people don't understand how it works or how to use it.

Otherwise I can't understand why the technical potential isn't recognized; the only reason is that most people are scared to death of losing their jobs because of these things, and instead of updating themselves, they try to discredit it in every possible way.

which is the same behavior that humanity has had in every industrial and technological revolution.

and then, after decades, we saw the division between the super rich and the super poor, open your eyes please and realize that discrediting and not looking forward will leave you behind, in my opinion

However, I like that people are talking about it and that there is such a broad divide, it's interesting

thanks so much for all the opinions anyway

[vagrant pike]

people are entitled to their own opinion regardless

[keen narwhal]

In fact, I'm responding to their opinion, I never denied them the right to speak, I'm just responding to their opinions!

I love this kind of conversations, if I do this kind of showcase it's for this, I know how people see AI

Despite this, however, I believe the technical potential is objective. It's fair to say that people don't like the fact that it uses AI because of ethical, environmental, or creative reasons, but it's not that they say that this is not technically incredible.

[kind sorrel]

the technical potential is that you didn't come up with anything on your own

[keen narwhal]

Do you think the system was designed and built by Mickey Mouse?

@blazing oar you're always full of words and very smart when it comes to talking about AI

[kind sorrel]

I do think that you didn't do AI research or stuff, you are just using a tool provided by others, wrapping it in some boring AI-generated frontend

[blazing oar]

You missed our talk yesterday I assume

[kind sorrel]

like there is 0 effort when creating something like that

[blazing oar]

like 99% of the brainwashed people on the internet tbf, can't blame them

it's the current trend

[keen narwhal]

It took me months to train that AI, it also uses public APIs that's true, but the example BUILDS are built by the Builders of my Studio

[blazing oar]

just like crypto was a while back, etc.

[kind sorrel]

so you are confirming that you didn't really do anything yourself

like it looks like you're just using LLMs, not even coming up with something better yourself

[keen narwhal]

I am confirming that this site is the result of months of development work and that the models used are trained by my studio

[blazing oar]

have you had a look at any of his projects by any chance?

[kind sorrel]

so 0 innovation

[keen narwhal]

if that system isn't innovative, I don't know what else to tell you LOL

Anyway, I thank those who agree and those who disagree so much for the discussion that took place in these days! I disappear again (much to the delight of my dear @blazing oar )

[kind sorrel]

using LLMs for task X is not innovative

it means you are like 3 steps behind being innovative

[blazing oar]

lmao

just tried to login to his website, his website is so well done that email verification redirects me to a localhost url lmao

[blazing oar]

bro is obsessed with me or smt lmao

love ai slop

[keen narwhal]

It seems to me that you've been verified and everything is ok!

[blazing oar]

yeah

never said otherwise

funny it redirects me to localhost though

anyways, saw enough of this lmao

time to go back to studying

[keen narwhal]

Happy studying and thanks for signing up!

[blazing oar]

I hope you are gdpr compliant

oh cool

you aren't

lmao

[keen narwhal]

Of course I am... I'm in Italy, consider this. I have an accountant and a lawyer who take care of these bureaucratic matters.

[blazing oar]

yeah

totally

so how do I delete my account

I see legit literally no place or indications on how to do such

which clearly violates GDPR

lol

[keen narwhal]

Yes, there's currently no way to delete an account in the UI. However, any user can request a complete manual deletion of their data

[blazing oar]

yeah, cool still no indication or instructions on that anywhere on the website

which guess what, violates GDPR

(also, you can delete my account, thanks)

[keen narwhal]

You're right, and I appreciate you pointing that out. Account deletion is already supported but currently handled via request. I'm adding a proper visible option in the UI to make it clearer and fully compliant

[vagrant pike]

yeah these people are generating the code (website) first then worrying about things like GDPR later lol

[stark rapids]

@keen narwhal is the platform free? cool project ngl!

[tacit nova]

It seems to be GDPR compliant, what's the problem?

[keen narwhal]

just a UI oversight, I'm fixing it right now!

[tacit nova]

It's not exactly great when it comes to finding the information but it is easy to find

[blazing oar]

welcome to 2026, the era of the vibe coders

[vagrant pike]

you mean an AI agent is fixing it right now

[blazing oar]

Define free, you get 2.5 credits when you sign up, most basic things require like 30 credits lol

[keen narwhal]

Yes, all of the non-AI features are free, credits to use the AI ​​services are paid (by subscribing)

[stark rapids]

Whats the pricing?

[keen narwhal]

By connecting to Discord you receive 50 credits

to test the system

[blazing oar]

yeah no thankss

[keen narwhal]

I'm not talking about wanting you registered

[tacit nova]

was wondering this as well

[stark rapids]

How much credits does a build take?

[tacit nova]

idk man I just got here

[keen narwhal]

If you open each page of the AI ​​generator you will find the cost of the average request

near where the promt is written

[blazing oar]

3D AI "shape" gen for a "Small" size is 30 credits

only thing I checked for that "product"

[tacit nova]

Also I can't try since I can't verify my email since the link the email redirects to localhost...

[blazing oar]

it verifies it

[keen narwhal]

strange, everyone else can register just fine

[tacit nova]

https://mcutils.net/api/auth/verify-email?token=4nj1I2nsf7Fud78nfrppRHYnx2fdnTDLUosI-tl7RcaficpAd8sRm4F9dpN-mKp8

[blazing oar]

it verifies it and then redirects to localhost

[vagrant pike]

he didnt say "make no mistakes" to the agent

[blazing oar]

the AI agent forgot to properly redirect it

[stark rapids]

even If I assume 50 credits per build, getting 10 builds for $10 is steal

[tacit nova]

welp

[stark rapids]

AI builds*

[keen narwhal]

I told him to be careful what you wrote 👀

[blazing oar]

That's assuming it properly one shots them

lol

[vagrant pike]

yea was about to say that

[stark rapids]

true that, lets assume 6 in that case

[long summit]

If you need 30 for a small but the free caps at 5, can you even generate anything? lol

[blazing oar]

chances it one shots them properly are very slim lmao

LLMs suck in the 3d space

(besides maybe gemini)

[stark rapids]

Dollar builds and few people sold builds at $1 at some point

[keen narwhal]

or build and sell builds with AI 💸

[blazing oar]

those were so unethical lmao

I have seen several reports from insiders at dollar build shops

they outsource every build from poor countries

hence why they have those prices

[stark rapids]

it was what it was

[tacit nova]

Theoretically yes... practically? no

[blazing oar]

yeah xD

hahaha

[blazing oar]

ai agent forgot that part

[keen narwhal]

probably, let's see what he tells me now that I ask him

I'm sending you the screenshot

[stark rapids]

Well the idea is quite nice with flaws, thats totally fine, he got free beta testers to improve it

[blazing oar]

This guy puzzles me lmao

he fights for his life saying he builds it all himself and proceeds to just admit he vibe codes

lmao

[blazing oar]

not an original idea btw

[stark rapids]

You wouldnt make Claude your CEO tho

[keen narwhal]

Dude, I never said don't use AI, the only thing that's happening since I occasionally do a post with AI, we talk about it so much and enter the site is that the page traffic goes through the roof 😅

[blazing oar]

this is like, the 7th? AI wrapper for minecraft I have seen

[stark rapids]

This has competition lol?

[blazing oar]

many have existed before this lmao

if anything, this is the copy

lol

[long summit]

I love spending drinkable water to generate Minecraft builds

[blazing oar]

bruh

[keen narwhal]

me too, I've been crazy about it lately

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-cat-gif-25407007

[keen narwhal]

drinking water that wouldn't be wasted if it weren't for my AI builds

[blazing oar]

yeah

[keen narwhal]

I'm guessing you're not using any LLM, right Matt?

[long summit]

No

[keen narwhal]

Did you also disable AI search in your browser?

[strange estuary]

Isn’t it kinda unavoidable to contribute to AI in some sense if you just use the internet

[long summit]

Yes

[keen narwhal]

well then you're a saint!

[strange estuary]

It’s baked into everything it hurts me

[blazing oar]

FYI, this isn't america, it's not a 2 sided discussion, it's not a you either use LLMs or not lol

[keen narwhal]

Now more people in the world will drink the water you're saving!

[strange estuary]

By proxy “everyone” uses them

Using the internet = feeding data = contributing

[blazing oar]

well

[strange estuary]

(It’s not a jab at anyone stance, in just saying the internet sucks :P)

[blazing oar]

spoiler alert, everyone with a phone has been using AI for over a decade now

lol

[strange estuary]

I mean yeah

[keen narwhal]

Exactly

[blazing oar]

text auto completion on phones is the same thing as any LLM

just at small scale

lol

[strange estuary]

very valid point

gotta turn off my auto completion

Save the environment

🙏

[blazing oar]

well

ig it would help a tiny fraction?

[strange estuary]

im kidding

someway somehow ig

[keen narwhal]

but do you ever criticize Anthropic as much as you criticize my products for wasting water?

lol

[blazing oar]

turning it off means less cpu usage in your phone which means less battery usage, aka less energy so better for environment?

lol

[strange estuary]

I’ll take it

[blazing oar]

You are comparing a vibe coder/coded product with company making the model lol

[stark rapids]

I make sure to never give screentime to my phone but PC, aka saved

[blazing oar]

comparing apples with wheels

[keen narwhal]

yes but read the entire messages, I also wrote "about wasting water"

[blazing oar]

I never commented anything about wasting water

lol

[long summit]

It's crazy if you think that people aren't criticizing the actual sources of the problem

[stark rapids]

yall want him to create his own model when existing data exists?

[blazing oar]

the sources of the problem are the consumers using them

[keen narwhal]

yet the training takes place with hand-made builds from my studio

[strange estuary]

Idk if that’s the argument I think people just don’t want the idea

Or dont want the continuation of ai tools of this nature

[tacit nova]

Why are there two buttons for the same menu item

[long summit]

The source of the problem are the companies shoving them in consumers face without any options to opt out .. as well as the consumers yes

[stark rapids]

you cannot stop a chocolate company to create chocolates lol

[keen narwhal]

In my opinion, people are annoyed by anyone who uses AI or tries to develop something that takes away jobs from slow people who don't know/want to use it for water

[tacit nova]

You saying that shows that you have no idea why people are complaining about AI

[keen narwhal]

I know why people complain about AI, I'm just talking about what started the discussion about my product

[strange estuary]

Yeah I was saying that

Like I don’t love ai everything either but I can’t say like “ooo ai I don’t like”

[stark rapids]

it started with appreciation btw

[tacit nova]

• takes away jobs from slow people (first of all, that's derogatory, second of all, what?)
• want to use it for water (?)

[strange estuary]

It’s going to be made by someone eventually so might as well respect an idea

[keen narwhal]

I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about others

[strange estuary]

(If the idea is worth respecting)

[blazing oar]

yes and no, you always have the option to not use windows, not use github, etc. You always have the option. Consumers control the market, SPECIALLY in the AI era, everyone is losing money, the moment consumers stop using it, they are fucked.

I don't blame openai or anthropic or any other company trying to profit from this (even though, I can imagine some of the people working in them just want to make the world a better place, cure diseases, etc.). Consumers are always the issue. Look at gaming for ex., just complaining about a game doesn't change anything, stop buying it and suddenly the company hears you.

[stark rapids]

You shouldnt be caring that much ngl, I received immense hate on Undiecraft yet I am chill 😭

[keen narwhal]

man everything i say or do just increases traffic to my page

I don't care what people think, I care that the page is higher up on Google in searches 😅

[strange estuary]

Well wait why aren’t we blaming ai corps for taking our data to use as training

[rare meteor]

well i got showcase mute recently removed

[stark rapids]

I see, free marketing 🔥

[strange estuary]

I mean like yeah consumers sell their data all the time unknowingly but shouldn’t we be like… super angry about that

[keen narwhal]

Since I started "arguing" with people about AI on various discord servers thanks to showcases, I'm second on Google when searching for the site name

[blazing oar]

That's where I am pretty sure you misunderstand me.

I am not against AI itself, it has its pros and cons like everything in the world. I do have something against vibe coders who suddenly get "infinite" power to "code" whatever they want, and create something full of slop, security issues and souless that contributes 0 to society, just so that they can feel like something in life.

In my eyes, vibe coders are just stupid people, who are nothing in life, and want to feel something.

[strange estuary]

Vibe coding could be a viable tool but it’s not used as a tool it’s used as a replacement

[olive rune]

you all know arhenius divided you all

[tacit nova]

That's rude as well, we don't need to go in that direction ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[blazing oar]

You, the consumer, were the one who agreed to providing that data in the first place. You the consumer, are the reason they are training something, because it brings money to them, and you, the consumer, keep funding it.

[keen narwhal]

My friend, I understand what you mean. I simply have my job, my studies, and my passion. End of discussion, I'm not saying I'm superior to those who can program by hand.

[strange estuary]

Yes yes billions of users definitely expected the terms and conditions to have sneaky loopholes and etc to sell it

I know it’s up to people to read TOS but ain’t nobody doing that

[long summit]

People are though, artists are the most vocal about it

[rare meteor]

🤓

[keen narwhal]

I say that I want to live my life and to live it I need money and for now, this way of making money is a great way

brutally honestly, this is

[olive rune]

are you vibe coder or what?

[strange estuary]

I know for a fact yall aren’t reading tos on most things you sign up for

[olive rune]

its all good bro everyone doing something in their life

[keen narwhal]

obviously, this is not my final goal, I'm studying and learning a lot

[strange estuary]

They are long intentionally to be malicious (of course covering legality) but also so no one reads it

[rare meteor]

I am odur not coder

[strange estuary]

If people read it they wouldn’t agree

[blazing oar]

People agreed to them, without reading them. And even after finding out what it means, they CHOOSE to keep using the platform instead of leaving it.

[olive rune]

thats too nerdy for me

[violet gyro]

Are open source licenses even valid for vibecoded projects now that ai art can’t be copyrighted?

[strange estuary]

Because most people unfortunately have better things to do then keep up with what company swindled them by selling unrelated data

[kind sorrel]

actually ai companies are using a lot of data no one ever has allowed them to use

[olive rune]

dayum same question

[kind sorrel]

they just don't care

[blazing oar]

yeah but what are you contributing to society with your product? Besides giving more power to vibe coders?

[keen narwhal]

If I can make money by empowering vibe coders, why shouldn't I?

[blazing oar]

Well aware of it, why wouldn't they? Everyone keeps buying their product lmao

[keen narwhal]

it's a serious question, not a provocative one

[blazing oar]

Everyone complains about X and Y stealing data and whatever the fuck else

but they keep using X and Y models

funding that stealing

if people actually cared and stopped using their products, money goes down, they go down

it's actually that simple lmao

[tacit nova]

Oh oh oh if it only were that simple

[blazing oar]

it really is, SPECIALLY with ai companies

AI companies are extremely fragile.

[rare meteor]

I just want chicken biryani good night

[violet gyro]

Sama would gladly fly to the Middle East again for some loans he’ll never be able to pay back

They just keep financing the bullshit

[keen narwhal]

This is why a business cannot be supported by AI, you can only make products that are sold and that's it.

[blazing oar]

Heck that reminds me of the one person from openai that came to give a lecture at my uni a month ago... He quite literally said they are completely fucked if adoption of AI doesn't go up or if they don't reach AGI in time.

[olive rune]

yep they are specially openai and serverl more

[tacit nova]

didn't you just build your entire business on AI?

[olive rune]

can you share with me pls

[blazing oar]

they keep financing it because numbers aren't going down. They still see a possibility of return on their investment

[long summit]

Afonso you are assuming they only steal from their users, people never agreed to terms of services of open ai when they scrapped the Internet for art on various websites including personal ones
It's not just people accepting the terms and being annoyed at their data used on those terms

[keen narwhal]

no, the site I showcased is a product of my Software Development Studio

[tacit nova]

You think AI companies got data from people using AI before AI existed as we know it?

[blazing oar]

says the guy with the ai business lol

[hallow swan]

hi

[rare meteor]

eat eat slee[

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[olive rune]

ffs

[keen narwhal]

If you had informed yourself at least a little, you would have seen how that site is just a product of a Studio

[hallow swan]

i wanted to ask u guys if u know when sombody like sends an image in discord does it get saved on my pc?

[keen narwhal]

a studio that allows me to feel at ease every month of my life

and to live well

[olive rune]

click on it then download

😭

[blazing oar]

Yeah, I totally agree and understand that. Doesn't change the fact that consumers are helping fund the continuance of such robberies lol

[hallow swan]

but so it doesnt like auto downlod?

[olive rune]

idk i dont think

[rare meteor]

no ig

[long summit]

Not saying they aren't, but the issue came from way before that

[blazing oar]

Consumers are the problem, plain and simple. People stop using AI, half the wrappers go down in 3 months, give it another year or 2 and most ai companies go bankrupt

[blazing oar]

How so

[hallow swan]

btw do u think discord is a good ap for like talking to poeple while gaming bcs i want to find a app that doesnt use a lot of performance

[olive rune]

godamn true

[olive rune]

yes everything 😀

[blazing oar]

Also, well aware of your "studio", doesn't change the fact mcutils (a business/product) is monetized around AI.

[long summit]

The data was scrapped before users started using it is what I am trying to say

[blazing oar]

Yeah

I know that

[olive rune]

@keen narwhal is it monetized around ai or anything else your company do

[blazing oar]

But it only really became a problem AFTER it became a comercialized thing

[keen narwhal]

Absolutely, but it helps drive traffic. As you can see, it seems to work.
My "studio," as you call it, still allows me to live a decent life (and the earnings certainly don't come from that site that I have used in the showcase).

[blazing oar]

pretty much half or more of the "benefits" of plans are AI

[blazing oar]

never said otherwise

[keen narwhal]

I think you're misunderstanding me. The website I mentioned is a product of my studio. It only serves to bring in people to my studio. From there, a good portion of the people end up on my main site and buy a product from me and my collaborators.

[blazing oar]

yes, I understand that lol

[keen narwhal]

This is what really makes me money, the plans of that site count for nothing in my company's budget

So it's clear that this product is only AI-based, that's the goal...

[blazing oar]

it's like making public plugins in mc to get your name out there to then get commissions

I understand that lol

[olive rune]

woah

[kind sorrel]

that's almost like victim-shaming 😭

[blazing oar]

Doesn't change the fact it's still a product with real plans

[blazing oar]

wdym

[keen narwhal]

That's exactly it, the difference is how much this product gets people talking about me compared to a public Minecraft plugin. It can't be said that the strategy isn't smart. Then again, obviously, if you can make some money from it, all the better (that's the reason for the plans).

[tacit nova]

I just hope that your webdev services (starting at 300€ btw) are of better functional quality than the AI stuff you made

[blazing oar]

yeah

[kind sorrel]

you cannot blame consumers for the crimes committed by companies

[keen narwhal]

absolutely professional people work there

[blazing oar]

I'd never buy anything from a studio with a website generator product lmao

like, never

[keen narwhal]

This is a risk we take, some think like you, some don't

[olive rune]

not everyone thinks the same

[blazing oar]

Yeah, luckly there are less informed people out there

[keen narwhal]

In any case, more people end up on the site from Google than from here. The difference is that those who come to the site from Google come because the site is ranked high, thanks in part to these discussions we have here.

[olive rune]

informed about what actually

[blazing oar]

which is also part of the problem. over half of the vibe coders now have access to AI and suddenly think they are smart or know tech lmao

I find that hella funny

[keen narwhal]

They receive their working product, are happy, and leave a 5-star review. We're not fooling anyone; the work is high-quality.

[olive rune]

you just hate vibe coders man 😭

[blazing oar]

yes

like 99% of them yes

there is like 0.5-1% that are actually "good" vibe coders

[keen narwhal]

I don't think I know as much about technology as someone who's studied for years and years, but I think I'm smart. I don't even work as a vibecoder, but I can program, having started in 2020 during Covid.

[blazing oar]

and by that I mean that they actually know wtf is going on

[keen narwhal]

Obviously, since the AI ​​was released, I immediately jumped at the opportunity.

[tacit nova]

Considering you're a Lead Dev at your own studio I somehow doubt that

[blazing oar]

damn

even I am not that straight forward lol

[tacit nova]

Wasn't meant to be rude, sorry if it came off that way

I meant professional in the sense of being in the industry and having had a non-studio job

[keen narwhal]

Well, what you might think doesn't really matter. I repeat, the only requirement is organic traffic. The ones who should give an opinion on the work are the clients.

[blazing oar]

Considering yourself smart kinda says opposite btw

[olive rune]

where is the website

[blazing oar]

Never call yourself smart lol. You may be more informed than others, but never consider yourself smart

[keen narwhal]

I consider myself an intelligent person, honestly 😅

[blazing oar]

lol

[tacit nova]

I mean as long as people are happy, whatevs

[blazing oar]

my point still stands lol

[stiff python]

Your website is vibe coded to the brim

[blazing oar]

people that consider or say they are smart/intelligent most of the time rank below average

lmao

[olive rune]

ugh where is the website bro

[keen narwhal]

Oh god, having no self-esteem is not necessarily necessary to be smart

[blazing oar]

famous quote: "Never assume you are the smartest person in the room"

[blazing oar]

it's not having no self-esteem lmao

[keen narwhal]

never said I was the smartest

[blazing oar]

quite opposite

[blazing oar]

yeah ik, just wanted to pop that quote out

really good one

[keen narwhal]

yes, true, I agree with you on this

[blazing oar]

on another note

am I too lazy to cook dinner and order smt or do I cook?

HMMMMMMMMM

[olive rune]

cook

[stiff python]

always order

[blazing oar]

2 different types of people

[olive rune]

nah just tell ai to make food for you

🙂

[blazing oar]

💀

[keen narwhal]

absolutely order

[blazing oar]

I tried an AI recipe once

it was.... interesting....

[olive rune]

bro i still didn't find your website 😭

[keen narwhal]

on this you lose me too, they are terrible

[stiff python]

it's in his note or whatever that's called

[olive rune]

seee this guy is vibe cooker

[blazing oar]

yeaaa

lmao

it sucked quite hard

lol

[olive rune]

thats so dumb i knew

[keen narwhal]

I'm restarting it, in case you open it now

[blazing oar]

hmmm

[olive rune]

bad gateway

[blazing oar]

yeah might order smt, kinda studying and too lazy to cook

[olive rune]

error 404 dih not found

[blazing oar]

question is what

some chinese? pizza? hmmm

[keen narwhal]

I just told you I'm restarting the site...

[olive rune]

https://tenor.com/view/italian-nightmare-webpac-spaghetti-pasta-break-gif-17845120

[keen narwhal]

please, I'm Italian, I beg you

[olive rune]

alr bro just saying 😭

[olive rune]

i love pineapple pizza tho

[blazing oar]

crime

I am not italian

but that's a crime

[keen narwhal]

you my friend, you are great

[blazing oar]

go outside

go to a street

once you see a car come

go in front of it

[olive rune]

okay

[blazing oar]

(for legal reasons, this is a joke)

[keen narwhal]

close your eyes and stay there in front, please

[olive rune]

bruhh

[blazing oar]

ain't gonna get sued today bro

[olive rune]

i hate this guy @rare meteor

eating biryani alone

[blazing oar]

I hate this guy @sage robin

[olive rune]

its universal

[blazing oar]

although I hate him less now

[olive rune]

you love him?

[blazing oar]

thanks to mr cube, retro is not annoying anymore

well... less... annoying

[keen narwhal]

I thought you were going to tag me honestly at some point, I don't know what those guys did xD

[olive rune]

you started to like him hehehehhe

[blazing oar]

retro was constantly spamming baby AI meme gifs here

annoying af

[rare meteor]

umm 😳 u want biryani from my plate?

[olive rune]

no one hates you senorita

[olive rune]

yeaaaa

[blazing oar]

cube blocked all attachments from retro

that saved this channel tbh

[keen narwhal]

oh wow xD

[olive rune]

which gif?

holy

[blazing oar]

yes

that one.

[keen narwhal]

@olive rune in the meantime I restarted the site xD

[blazing oar]

barry quite literally has a filter for it now

lmao

[olive rune]

alr

[violet gyro]

damn they really cracked down on the gif bullshit

[rare meteor]

come next ramadan baby 🍼

[blazing oar]

it was annoying af

[olive rune]

you muslim?

[blazing oar]

what this guy do

[violet gyro]

how are they still a spammer

[rare meteor]

No half muslim

[olive rune]

ignore him otherwise he will redeem the code HAHAHA

[rare meteor]

Dmed 100+ big content creator s

[olive rune]

wtf you mean 😭

[blazing oar]

okay I am gonna cook after all

[violet gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/shy-cubs-win-gif-17904555

how is that even possible

[olive rune]

and they report you for that?

[blazing oar]

I kinda want some pasta

and I don't trust restaurants to do a good pasta

[rare meteor]

Yeah

[violet gyro]

if you dm/friend a lot of people in a short period they just mark you

[olive rune]

add pineapple

[blazing oar]

bro shut up

xD

[olive rune]

nah trust me once

[violet gyro]

i have yet to find something near me that doesnt server half premade sauces

[blazing oar]

but on another note, how do italian restaurants suck so much at doing carbonaras lmao

[olive rune]

server

[rare meteor]

Umm i follow all the marriage laws they have .
I celebrate iftari and Eid

[blazing oar]

idk if I am gonna do carbonara

[violet gyro]

ohh

[blazing oar]

or cacio pepe

[rare meteor]

@olive rune ur answer

[olive rune]

can you explain pls

[blazing oar]

cacio pepe is simple and easy

but carbonara is tasty af...

[olive rune]

and me?

[blazing oar]

only person tasty here is @unreal venture

[olive rune]

☠️

[violet gyro]

that was a crazy statement

[blazing oar]

indeed

[olive rune]

what did i saw

[blazing oar]

....