off-topic

[fading grove]

thats why its chaotic orientation

cuz u map each unsigned byte to specific block

issue wouldnt be resolution, but moreso bandwidth

if you are just hosting localhost tho, u can probably do as big as a resolution you want

[sullen sorrel]

although couldn't you technically put the entire data into one block's nbt

:))

[fading grove]

Yea obviously

but like

[sullen sorrel]

oh wait true I didn't think of that

[fading grove]

its meant to be stupid and fun

[sullen sorrel]

since it's sending way more than just the video's data

[fading grove]

yeah since all you're doing is sending display text change packet for each frame

[sullen sorrel]

but then that's a lot of packets

regardless I wonder if anyone's done it yet, even with a smaller resolution

[fading grove]

its not a lot tbh, its whatever the frame rate is

so 60 fps is 60 packets per second

[sullen sorrel]

you'd have to send a packet for each pixel tho, no?

[fading grove]

no

[sullen sorrel]

unless there's like a bulk packet

[fading grove]

nah

[sullen sorrel]

🤔

[fading grove]

text displays support line breaks

you just send one big packet

[sullen sorrel]

but multi color

[fading grove]

for each frame

wdym

just chain character + color

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifs0GiAtqIs

[sullen sorrel]

I was thinking each pixel has its own display text entity, and its color would be set by setting the background of that display text

[fading grove]

so like one whole frame is just one big textdisplay update packet

No, thats a waste of packets

[sullen sorrel]

yeah

[fading grove]

each pixel would be nuts lol

sending millinos of packets every second

[sullen sorrel]

yeah that's what I was concerned about earlier
wait how's this work tho

[fading grove]

I don't use backgrounds

I use characters to represent the pixels

[sullen sorrel]

oh

[fading grove]

I think that was the confusion

[sullen sorrel]

ohhhhhh

oh yeah I see now

[fading grove]

background wouldnt work well cause then

[sullen sorrel]

I assume like the unicode block thing

[fading grove]

you got like display cramming

and shit

yeah

[sullen sorrel]

true

[long summit]

I remember when working on Holovid (before display entities) it sent horizontal lines instead, which was nice because you could do some optimizations like not sending a line if no pixels changed

[fading grove]

Yeah armor stands

[blazing oar]

well the bigger amount of pixels, the more display entities the more bandwidth

[fading grove]

No, there's only 1 display entity

the only bottle neck here is packet size / frame rate

[blazing oar]

wdym only 1

lol

[fading grove]

you spawn in 1 display display and then send 1 large update text packet for each frame

im using a unicode box as a pixel

not like each pixel is a display entity

[blazing oar]

well, I wasn't speaking about using a unicode box

xD

[fading grove]

yea but it doesnt make sense to spawn one in for each pixel lol

[sullen sorrel]

afonso got the same misconception as me 🥲

[woven prairie]

@spare current https://github.com/8Crafter-Studios/server-redirector

[blazing oar]

lol I mean, the only time I did something similar it was with an entity for each pixel

using display entities' background as color.

With it you can have really small pixels

[strange estuary]

idk why people are downvoting this

this is one of the nicest, cleanest tab designs I've seen in a while

[proper jungle]

yeh i like it too, tho I don't understand whys the 2nd part of frame darker

[strange estuary]

Ye I wasn't sure about that myself

like there's certain things I could see changing for sure

but overall, I just really like the concept

[proper jungle]

yeh

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-lit-khaled-wiggle-gif-9011147

wow im cool now

[stark rapids]

mid

[sage robin]

its okay

il make a mommy expansion

😍

[rare meteor]

for free and pls latina

[sage robin]

what

[unreal venture]

no.

[sage robin]

hate us cuz they aint us

😔

@proper jungle what the flip bro

[stone marsh]

@timid palm Dm'ed

[proper jungle]

thats fake

[stark rapids]

grown man btw

[proper jungle]

u dont wanna see my chats w my customers bruv

xD

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

[dry cliff]

@rare meteor I WIN

[rare meteor]

its not 12 am buddy :)

or 12pm whatever it is

[dry cliff]

it has 12 in it

so

[rare meteor]

😭

ok i will get to you

just watch @dry cliff

[dry cliff]

MODS

he's threating me

I feel UNSAFE

[rare meteor]

in an other way

[dry cliff]

Gay

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1021063411058098257/1266918356573749321/caption.gif

[earnest jacinth]

hello

[honest thistle]

Deluxemenus - Version List

Spigot:

1.8.8
1.12.2
1.13.2
1.16.5
1.20.2

Version:

v1.10.5
v1.13.7
v1.14.0 - Latest
v1.14.0 - Latest
v1.14.0 - Latest

Requested by nfodeputa · Feb 2, 2026, 8:40 PM

[naive agate]

https://vxtwitter.com/Minecraft/status/2018380915244663086?s=20

Minecraft (@Minecraft)

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vxTwitter / fixvx · Feb 2, 2026, 5:48 PM

this is wild coming from microsoft

[blazing oar]

https://x.ai/news/xai-joins-spacex

Fyi

[eternal apex]

elon musks company is acquired by elon musks company?

[rare meteor]

[civic parcel]

hello, everyone

[wooden magnet]

Elon Musk is the CEO of SpaceX, he also owned the AI company which has CEO.

The AI company under Elon Musk, BMW and Lambo reference.

SpaceX above all for AI, X, and Threads.

Not saying that your words not true, just explaining what you mean by that :D

[wooden magnet]

Thanks @strange estuary & @proper jungle, I am going for minimalistic and has lots of images.

My purpose for the server to be not too overloaded or messy.

[strange estuary]

who dares ping me

oh my bad

[strange estuary]

Nah for sure, amazing design, keep it up!

[wooden magnet]

About the dislike, I don't know why? But anyways, likes more than the dislikes.

[rare meteor]

obviously obviouslee not me

[strange estuary]

obviously it obviouslee wasn't you pinging obviouslee

[rare meteor]

It is, quite obviously, patently obvious, and manifestly obvious beyond all reasonable doubt that the responsibility for this pinging could scarcely, under any conceivable arrangement of circumstance, obviously rest upon you; indeed, the very reiteration of your innocence serves only to heighten the scholarly amusement derived from such an obvious state of affairs.

[trim raft]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/800911515803975691/801176366359904276/image0.gif

[strange estuary]

alright kant

or socrates

or plato

or aristotle

or stuart mill

okay ill stop

[rare meteor]

I won

[strange estuary]

you definitely do win

[rare meteor]

[rare meteor]

you forgot charlie kirk

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/flower-car-indian-bollywood-flip-gif-17680578

[grand dirge]

[rare meteor]

some issues in your portfolio site
top.gg icon and github icon is not loading

[grand dirge]

yea hosted em on dc cdn, forgot to download and put it on my site

my bad

done thnx

[sour hinge]

What if you change the gui size in the client settings, is the outline dynamic or does it go into the tablist?

[rare meteor]

[eternal apex]

new papi update btw

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/gohan-its-so-peak-gohan-crying-gohan-its-so-peak-peak-gif-11211568239007237362

[vagrant pike]

https://tenor.com/view/2-sticks-2-sticks-of-ram-2-sticks-of-ram-cost-1000-because-of-this-2-sticks-of-ram-cost-1k-because-of-this-ai-gif-10482012211863365122

[fervent mountain]

yo i gotta dm u chad

[harsh rivet]

@steep musk #1456082817833242818 message your budget is 30 builders and 50 devs?

human trafficking?

[rare meteor]

LMAO

[harsh rivet]

worry not i reported them to authorities

[wooden magnet]

It's follow with the gui size even you change the sizing, I will show you an example soon. I am out dating rn.

It also applied with the tablist.

[magic summit]

Unless this helps SpaceX to finally have a rocket that doesn't explode and can carry more than a banana, Idk how this helps with anything

[rare meteor]

first

[blazing oar]

space datacenters

it also inflates spacex's valuation

ahead of its IPO

[magic summit]

So basically money scheme

Like tesla

[proper jungle]

well obviously

[magic summit]

Just making sure, because with SpaceKaren can you never know

[magic summit]

They finally got to the fox model for the baby redesign process.

Looks kinda silly, but also adorable

And baby bee is just smoll.

[floral star]

o/

[naive agate]

@rare meteor please delete your post when its finished I have removed your post for now.

[rare meteor]

Ok 👌

[harsh rivet]

hm

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/what-does-he-even-do-pantalone-pantalone-genshin-fatui-gif-7198520668703162933

[harsh rivet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/923087067305607208/1136681702446596238/racsim.gif

[unreal venture]

genshin impact mentioned

[pulsar sun]

price in usd please

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-p-diddy-jeffrey-epstein-epstein-p-diddy-to-jeffrey-epstein-gif-9527810481976789768

[magic summit]

Jetbrains just sent me a mail, informing my account is now "jetbrains console" bringing me crazy new stuff like:

• AI
• More AI
• Yet more AI

I swear if AI was removed in an instant, half the global market would crash at this point

[kind sorrel]

Impossible, I didn’t get a mail

[blazing oar]

welcome to the AI bubble

[magic summit]

Yeah.... It's already annoying enough that like 90% of GitHub's changelogs are all about copilot

I seriously want this bubble to burst and these companies to fall on their faces

[long summit]

I got an email from JetBrains with an AI survey, I reply no in a few places and it just ends after the second page

[blazing oar]

well github is essentially ran by microsoft's AI team sooooo

[magic summit]

But then we would have mass layoffs yet again because the Overpaid CEOs definitely aren't at fault here... Noooooo....

[magic summit]

My dad has a restaurant and a org that provides services and help for this area had a survey recently. Even they asked about AI in it.

[rare meteor]

Lmao 😂

https://tenor.com/view/ai-is-bad-future-meme-bubble-burst-gif-10903408213892430766

[wooden magnet]

Everyone needs AI

Most people will lose their jobs.

[blazing oar]

That's what any uninformed person says lol

Only people actually losing jobs are the people that have jobs that were useless in the first place

lol

[magic summit]

So, why do CEOs not lose theirs?

[long summit]

Most people will lose their jobs.
Yet we have been in the "everyone will lose their jobs in 6 months" for about 2 years now

[rare meteor]

yep

[blazing oar]

cause monie

[rare meteor]

Its a management role buddy

[raw crag]

Where can I find individuals who are interested in investing or collaborating on projects?

[raw crag]

@blazing oar u should know fr

[blazing oar]

I do know, but I hate when people randomly ping me instead of using their brain to read the onboarding/channels

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/balls-183-gif-17366386168489412203

[shell nymph]

@toxic badger

[magic summit]

Must be a hell of a call with themself

[light scaffold]

LovelyBusiness

[trim raft]

https://fxtwitter.com/geoffkeighley/status/2019117996036468883 lmao

Geoff Keighley (@geoffkeighley)

Overwatch 2 is dropping the 2 and the game will just be called Overwatch moving forward.

**💬 592 🔁 523 ❤️ 21.9K 👁️ 931.7K **

FxTwitter · Feb 4, 2026, 6:36 PM

[magic summit]

I mean, no big surprise

The game was/is basically OW with better graphics and without a price tag

[kind sorrel]

Overwatch 3.2 Gen 2

[fading grove]

I feel like telling people what to do is much more AI-able than telling people how to do it

Just saying

I mean they literally said 5 years ago it would replace engineers in 2025 and nothing happened except CS industry adapts

To using more AI tools but that also includes things like Copilot auto complete, which can you even consider vibe code if it’s auto filling what you’d type anyways?

[raw crag]

Mate where LOL?

Where can I find investors

Not a single channel mentions it

[torpid anchor]

hi

[blazing oar]

I guess #1456082816507838717

or nowhere

[rare meteor]

#1456082817833242818 bro there are channels to do this don't got everywhere and spam it.
Also add a avg amount you will pay .

[rich hornet]

just realized, the service channels didn't reset for February. was that intended?

[rare meteor]

No idea 😶

[muted fern]

Argh forgot smh

[harsh rivet]

#1456082817833242818 message 💔

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-catto-gif-15346413526676920650

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-steal-gif-gif-steal-gif-gets-stolem-gif-7935542554022949277

[harsh rivet]

#1456082817833242818 message

hmm

[weary sparrow]

As you know well, many founders and teams are full of new energy and the new goals.
But one of the biggest challenge in building the new project isnt its own idea.
It is finding the right engineer to bring it to life.
Good execution takes engineer who are technically strong, communicate clearly, deliver on time and understand the importance of the influence.
I would be excited to work with if you have a new idea or ongoing project now.
Is there anyone who is looking for a dev here?

[stark rapids]

i agee w you

now that someone needs an engineer, they also need a strong design guy 👈

[rare meteor]

10 what lmao.
If it's 10$ its so low .

[rare meteor]

#1456082814435983412

https://tenor.com/view/mango-cat-dance-ai-dancing-cat-gif-4373280976266621514

Found this awesome gif 😁

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204181585994186832/1468618264694493216/86aa14f63aa46c65f705c52d6a3f565d.gif

[rare meteor]

And this one too

[harsh rivet]

what the f 😂

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/2-sticks-2-sticks-of-ram-2-sticks-of-ram-cost-1000-because-of-this-2-sticks-of-ram-cost-1k-because-of-this-ai-gif-10482012211863365122

[tawny glade]

g

[rare meteor]

😔

[stark rapids]

that emoji looks so cursed

[proper jungle]

Annanasini cassini

[harsh rivet]

whats that suppose to mean

[proper jungle]

name for the gif

[harsh rivet]

oh

[proper jungle]

xD

I just made that up

[harsh rivet]

how do you know the name of that stuff

[harsh rivet]

oh

xD

[proper jungle]

xDDDDD

[rare meteor]

[rare meteor]

Lmao you are restoring your streak

[harsh rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/knee-surgery-meme-grinch-blue-grinch-that-feeling-when-gif-11244637289834073788

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1457786422936469577/1467811747875389522/togif.gif

[harsh rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-my-money-traxnyc-akay-diamonds-scam-14k-gif-12719236281497130961

[grand dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-saitama-xmxmx-otterpaka-stare-gif-25655187

[terse stratus]

Hello

[rare meteor]

#1456082817833242818 message

Is this valid 10 of what
Bananas or eggs ?

Yo adam or anyone online

[harsh rivet]

that should atleast be 10gm of 10k gold

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/one-punch-man-saitama-xmxmx-otterpaka-stare-gif-437664523633481252

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1271480886428434502/1469014406313676947/37c92451cf5f4e3383718c89c8e66762.gif

[harsh rivet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/triggered-saitama

[stark rapids]

$3 🥀

atp I would do it myself and eat a burger

[harsh rivet]

Diabolical

@reef path you haven't clarified budget in #1456082817833242818 message 10 what

$, €, €, ¢, Or ₹?

or 10gms of 10k gold?

[vagrant pike]

i would like 10kg gold please

[unreal venture]

i want 10k helpchat xp

[round plinth]

Awesome seeing hytale support, was waiting for that

[jade furnace]

@magic summit great article man. theres a few typo and gramatical errors left in but its not big deal 👍

[solar sinew]

falacy

[umbral glacier]

Hey, we are close to launching! check out #showcase

[naive agate]

@umbral glacier no self promoting this is a warning read our rules next one is a service mute

[umbral glacier]

yeah, sorry

[rare meteor]

@naive agate

[naive agate]

Please don't mini mod

[rare meteor]

Wow great .....
I won't nvm

[trim raft]

i am coming to the u.k. everyone

[vagrant pike]

#showcase message
teleport bow? sethome? bro a 10 y/o could make those 😭

boasting AI can do trivial stuff aint a flex

[solar sinew]

he specifically said he's just showing that it can do easy stuff

@sage robin
https://open.spotify.com/track/0b2a7o20MGePzWk177Fcp7?si=_wTNvDazSbSOtUVH_9mJhw

[grand dirge]

[vagrant pike]

LLMs been doing the "easy stuff" for months now

not sure whats the point of the showcase

ah right, YACGW aka yet another chatgpt wrapper

[sage robin]

hood classic

[solar sinew]

no the fuck it isnt

don't even

ts not a classic

ts never popular enough to be a classic

it's a hidden gem

[sage robin]

bro ive known of this song

for a while

💔

[solar sinew]

it is very good

[muted fern]

Make sure to ask your favourite devs to add support for it

[winter compass]

👀

[twilit pine]

[proper jungle]

I love how u never minded me tagging u

ur a real one!

xD

[winter compass]

Larkyy

[proper jungle]

Melon

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/test-gif-12330668096487000474

[proper jungle]

new fav gif

[stark rapids]

This gif was sent on this server few years ago by @trim raft

We had a get real challenge

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1248655640855842879/1455980078814204078/togif.gif

Is this new for you

[stark rapids]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/803149358349680650.gif?size=80&quality=lossless

[woven prairie]

Long time no see 😮

[round plinth]

How are you sir

[naive agate]

Hey @gusty dove future posts in #showcase please make them sound and look less like an ad please read our rules!

[quiet gust]

hi

[lyric nacelle]

hi to get rid of darn msg

[winter compass]

https://devopedia.org/images/article/28/2951.1490520804.gif

[kind sorrel]

Bruh just know at which index the element is

[tardy parcel]

is there anywhere we could leave a vouch for a user who i got through here?

[proper jungle]

no

[magic summit]

https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2019443680025751667

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

First trailer for ‘EXIT 8’, a new film based on the video game.
︀︀
︀︀The film follows a man trapped in an endless sterile subway passageway as he sets out to find Exit 8.
︀︀
︀︀In theaters on April 10.

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FxTwitter · Feb 5, 2026, 4:11 PM

Certainly an interesting idea...

[vagrant pike]

@muted fern grant me permission, what the hell

[long summit]

Imagine not having permissions

[vagrant pike]

https://tenor.com/view/enojado-gif-6930705070173779193

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255898941510385665/1468255964112097363/f7b828f269104a7589d8d26c90b985f4.gif

This one is better
L gif loading

[harsh rivet]

It's still loading

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255898941510385665/1468255964112097363/f7b828f269104a7589d8d26c90b985f4.gif

[harsh rivet]

doesn't load

[rare meteor]

Nvm confirmed it got reported

[eternal apex]

do u want to help us make hytale expansions

[rare meteor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204181585994186832/1468618264694493216/86aa14f63aa46c65f705c52d6a3f565d.gif

I got a alien piglet

[blazing oar]

just yet another LLM wrapper lol

[vagrant pike]

real

[vagrant pike]

I'm a Senior Java Dev with ~6 years of experience, is that good enough?

[eternal apex]

yes

pls find mods and pr support

[vagrant pike]

ok

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1223581265236594758/1250778407562903662/togif-3-1.gif

[trim raft]

the good ol days

[wooden magnet]

#showcase message

Before anything else, why is this looks like an AI website generation?

I hate the searching section, why the fuck it should be there? Just remove the search. You have only 1 plugin or whatever it is, no need. Make another page for the plugin, not that hard.

The header looks lame

[strange estuary]

people gotta be meming about epstein being alive cuz of his fortnite account 😭

[harsh rivet]

lmao yeah

saw a lot of those guys on YouTube shorts

[strange estuary]

ppl are wild lol

[harsh rivet]

saw another guy who supposedly went to his Island?

don't know if it was legit or a skit

[strange estuary]

weird..

Random but how do you y'all feel about using a mix of Dialog menus and chest menus?

I feel like dialog menus are fine for certain use cases, but would it be weird on the user side to see both used?

Here's an example of where I think they can be used effectively vs a chest gui

But I also could see a user getting confused if they go from a chest GUI to this

[long summit]

Horrible user experience going from normal to full screen, as well as centering the mouse always

[naive agate]

K

[strange estuary]

fair enough

wish they gave us more options

they could be viable so easily

[blazing oar]

tbf there are a lot of pictures and videos of him in tel aviv

wouldn't surprise me if he was alive and specially in israel.......

xxD

[blazing oar]

tbf this UI looks hella clean, it's just sad UX does suck

[blazing oar]

wtf I was today years old when I discovered that in spain, during football matches, ISPs are blocking Cloudflare IPS lol

essentially taking down half of the internet in spain with the intention of "blocking streaming piracy"

lol

[trim raft]

http://img.brett.lol/2026/02/pMYPfl2Y8j.png

[violet gyro]

😭😭😭😭

Outside of that joke Samsungs new phone will probably get such a screen and it looks sick

Selectively making shit a private display area is so cool

[trim raft]

fr

[violet gyro]

Praying that apple copies it for their models

Probably happens in 5 years or so with how much they tend to stay behind

[trim raft]

True

I'm an android user so i REALLY hope the Pixel gets this soon

I think its such a cool idea. You're probably right when it comes to apple though, they take the longest but once they do it, it'll be mass adoption

[sullen sorrel]

tbh I feel like it'd be nice to just have as a toggleable whole phone privacy screen protector

-# that's a lot of adjectives

[sullen sorrel]

instead of only being able to hide certain elements

[blazing oar]

don't forget samsung makes displays for apple so... it is viable

[blazing oar]

you can hide whole screen

not just certain parts

[sullen sorrel]

oh okay that's nice

hopefully it won't just be on the ultra 🥲

[blazing oar]

no reason why you wouldn't be able to lol

[sullen sorrel]

although I wouldn't be surprised if so

[blazing oar]

yeah

wouldn't be surprised

[sullen sorrel]

especially since it's so new

[sullen sorrel]

true

[harsh rivet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/loops-in-python

[grand dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/loops-in-python-gif-15818798436595170697

[harsh rivet]

double loop

[harsh rivet]

lmao

[rare meteor]

How can you add images here 🧐

[harsh rivet]

im special

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1379549990468456489/1467366687748784302/togif.gif?width=496&height=326

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/mango-cat-dance-ai-dancing-cat-gif-4373280976266621514

+300$ in ram

[analog marlin]

https://unclanked.com/dancing-cat.gif

[harsh rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/knee-surgery-meme-grinch-blue-grinch-that-feeling-when-gif-11244637289834073788

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/diddy-p-diddy-jeffrey-epstein-epstein-p-diddy-to-jeffrey-epstein-gif-9527810481976789768

[rare meteor]

I will become blue like you in 5 days

[harsh rivet]

ok

[harsh rivet]

@scarlet spear really good stuff

[scarlet spear]

thank you!!

im exploring new styles, i got bored from my constant mineclub artstyle

so im trying to combine my digital artstyle wiht pixel art :)

[rare meteor]

Do you know duckie?

[scarlet spear]

who?

[rare meteor]

Nvm cool artwork

[rare meteor]

I wanted to discuss something in dms .
Are you free 😁

[scarlet spear]

Yeah sure ^^

[stark rapids]

w

[harsh rivet]

hasn't it been a good while since that was added?

[stark rapids]

I got it now : /

[harsh rivet]

oh

[boreal escarp]

weird they used the same character as for mentions, but cool nevertheless

[severe root]

yeah its been like 2 or 3 weeks

[vagrant pike]

should have been %time%

[grand dirge]

hmm

[winter compass]

<t:1770478977:R>

[wooden magnet]

Can people on #showcase stop using black as outline. It's horrible and tf?

[rare meteor]

perspective + i cant see no access

[proper jungle]

well in some cases (styles) its fine

like cartoon style

[harsh rivet]

@crystal ginkgo #showcase message really cool!

[crystal ginkgo]

Thanks

[rare meteor]

wt is this no access T-T can someone tell

[harsh rivet]

Showcase channel

you should have access tho

[rare meteor]

ooh nvm i got perma showcase mute

[harsh rivet]

:d

[rare meteor]

check my custom role

[harsh rivet]

why tho?

you posted a ad?

[rare meteor]

no

just my cool art

i got 41 upvotes

[harsh rivet]

hmm

[rare meteor]

and 23 in other

[harsh rivet]

I only see 1 post of yours in showcase

[rare meteor]

they deleted the other it has a farmer

[harsh rivet]

poor guy

[rare meteor]

demn it increased by 11

[blazing oar]

Is this also a no drama zone or can we talk about kasai's latest scam production aka video

[vagrant pike]

whos kasai

[rare meteor]

lets talk i dont have any idea lemme know

[blazing oar]

Youtuber

Promoting uspigot lol

[winter compass]

saw ur message on his dc xd

[blazing oar]

yeah not much I can do besides warn

[long jasper]

why do you think uspigot is a scam? i've just heard about that so i dont know much

[mystic needle]

Because they don't give source, i don't agree calling it a scam for that reason but opinions

It's the same cycle every single paid fork goes through since it's a mostly open source driven community

[tacit nova]

From the few people I have spoken to they said that USpigot has genuinely improved their performance and that they can almost not run the server on Papar anymore without seeing the performance drop. Imho USpigot is just like closed source premium plugins, scummy but not always a scam.

[blazing oar]

they are knowing for stealing patches and violating licenses lol

[light scaffold]

that doesnt necessarily mean its a scam

[hearty cypress]

my biggest gripe is that

i see kiddies screaming that x stole y patch

but they're typically reluctant to

actually elaborate with something useful?

[naive agate]

[solar sinew]

my biggest gripe is that
kids oft' scream "x stole y patch"
yet more they won't say

I rewrote your statements as a haiku @hearty cypress

[hearty cypress]

oh my gawwwd

buy me a frame

i'll hang it on the wall

:3

[blazing oar]

what is there to elaborate? Violating licenses is violating licenses lol

[blazing oar]

yeah ig, the performance gains are real for sure

[hearty cypress]

i meant the

i'm not talking about the outright violation

i meant the patch stealing

like what from what

that's all i want to know

[naive agate]

wat

[blazing oar]

Oh, last I know, they stole patches from pufferfish, and also added refused patches from paper (which were refused for specific and valid reasons)

they were also using some part of the code of some world format library without permission

Overall sketchy

the way machine breaker acts doesn't favor it either

[mystic needle]

From what i know they arent a Pufferfish fork?

[hearty cypress]

thanks

[hearty cypress]

they used to be

[blazing oar]

yeah

overall I usually don't trust anyone with closed source plugins lol

besides @reef oar, but I am biased cause he also portuguese lol

[mystic needle]

But not anymore

So what's the problem

If they're open to replace all that instead of simply ignoring everyone then that's a bonus

[hearty cypress]

Yeah 100% agreed

I think the original idea afonso is trying to get across is that's what they have done

[pulsar sun]

hmm, this is either too good to be true or a scam #1456082817833242818 message hmm

[twin dune]

What about source code available with/after purchase?

[hearty cypress]

just do an SCore

like 1k eur for src and then an extra charge per contrib added to gh

/j

[hearty cypress]

doesn't sound like they're willing to do any kind of contract

(considering they say 16+ and no mention)

[pulsar sun]

sounds like something i should do @naive agate wdyt, 1k euro for me to git push

[naive agate]

@tacit gazelle you cant offer a % as an amount for our service channels! Please read our rules

[hearty cypress]

LOLOL

1k eur per commit

[naive agate]

hurry up so we can start our recode

🤣

Noti needs it desperately I feel like

[pulsar sun]

that's what she said

[naive agate]

ye buddy grow up

😄

[pulsar sun]

(no she really said that)

[naive agate]

who queen

[pulsar sun]

anyways sir i feel like we should consider partially moving slowly

[naive agate]

😵

[pulsar sun]

NO?

WTF

[naive agate]

LOL

[pulsar sun]

bald

barry bald

[pulsar sun]

why did you bring up my dog??

[naive agate]

relax

I was joking

[naive agate]

ye ik

we gotta plan it

[hearty cypress]

okay but the true decision

java or Kotlin

[pulsar sun]

take the middle one, javascript

[sage robin]

yaml 🤓

[strange estuary]

anyone know how to get a icon from a resource pack with mini message? 😔

[blazing oar]

yeah that's fine imo

#showcase god minecraft really needs better UI systems

[sage robin]

can something like that be done with dialogues in mc?

[blazing oar]

somewhat but very bad UX

nowhere near that level

[strange estuary]

dont use dialogs

I gave up on them despite making some semi decent designs

too many issues too many sacrifices

[muted fern]

@warped raptor does it support papi #showcase

[warped raptor]

This version doesn’t, because it works with particles. But I’m working on another one that uses entities, and that one can have dynamic updates. The first thing I’ll add to it will be PAPI support 🐱

[naive agate]

Let us know 🙂

[muted fern]

Good 😉

[grand dirge]

hmm

[boreal escarp]

https://docs.papermc.io/adventure/minimessage/format/#sprite

[reef oar]

lol, why don't you trusted closed source code

[reef oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427164582077665383/1427266046154506363/c62b9ceb561d7db90a11abef72269100.gif

[winter compass]

🤤

[reef oar]

BRO

[winter compass]

hello nugget

[reef oar]

you're literally everywhere 😭

[rare meteor]

haha'

[reef oar]

This guy has been following me for months! And saying that he could eat me (cause my pfp is a duck)

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[rare meteor]

i am more intrested in duck eggs

[reef oar]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

Splitrox left the chat

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/mango-cat-dance-ai-dancing-cat-gif-4373280976266621514

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-catto-gif-15346413526676920650

I miss my ai baby 😔

[rare meteor]

add a ssl to your domain ...

[sage robin]

cube nerfed me hard sionce he told me to cut it out

💔

[reef oar]

which one

[rare meteor]

the one in your github
where it says all my projects availaible at

[reef oar]

what crates plugin you using

[reef oar]

you stalking me 👀 ?

[sage robin]

why it feel like u saying ts w a gun to my head 💔

[reef oar]

yeah i have to check the ssl for that one

[rare meteor]

i check ppl github :)

[sage robin]

fuck u barry

[reef oar]

💀

[sage robin]

i use aquaticcrates

😭✊

[reef oar]

my condolences

[rare meteor]

[sage robin]

i really have to move

no offence to my dad larky

but

aqcrates is a little chopped atm

[reef oar]

yeah larky is cool

[sage robin]

im highkirkenuinely waiting

for the rewrite

v4

[reef oar]

phoenix

[sage robin]

it looks very promising

[reef oar]

cof

crates

[rare meteor]

@proper jungle shots fired

[sage robin]

is ur converter accurate?

[reef oar]

LMAO

[sage robin]

[reef oar]

Nope

[sage robin]

larky is a big

uwu user

😍

[sage robin]

thats my thing, I'd be so down to move to pcrates

but the thing is

[rare meteor]

demn

[sage robin]

uh

i have like

10 crates

requiring conversion

[reef oar]

yeah he is

[reef oar]

i mean, the rewards are guaranteed tho

i would say thats the main thing

[sage robin]

i use

base64 hashes for the preview 💀

and console cmd for give

[reef oar]

https://tenor.com/view/100-yard-stare-1000-yard-stare-stare-staring-staring-meme-gif-18404030142962634873

[reef oar]

skull u mean?

[sage robin]

no

larky has a cool thing w waves

[reef oar]

i mean shouldnt really be an issue

[sage robin]

hold an item and do /waves itemconvert

[reef oar]

we have a free version so you can always give it a try, not every crates will be converted but is fine for testing

[sage robin]

then u just copy the string it gives into material: "BASE64:<string>"

and it copies the lore+name+etc

[reef oar]

oh

but doesnt that make the item impossible to edit afterwards?

[sage robin]

no

[reef oar]

or like, easily editable

[sage robin]

naw

[reef oar]

cause is in base64

shrug

[muted fern]

dont test me

[sage robin]

bro im sorry

i didnt mean

to show that

i meant to show uwu mainly

[reef oar]

? 💀

[sage robin]

💀

[reef oar]

what happended lol

[sage robin]

mr cube is very anti ai baby

💔

[reef oar]

lol, why?

[sage robin]

i overuse it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1427164582077665383/1427266046154506363/c62b9ceb561d7db90a11abef72269100.gif

[reef oar]

make sense 🥀

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-flight-reacts-flightreacts-flightreact-flight-wtf-gif-11190336173610657371

[reef oar]

https://tenor.com/view/bully-maguire-cry-gonna-cry-spider-man-spiderman-meme-gif-144908065341776122

[sage robin]

💔

bro @muted fern istg barry is setting me up for failure

i had a 30d /daily streak

it pinged me 30mins before it removed my streak

barry just dont fwm 💔

@honest thistle you like me?

[muted fern]

he pings an hour before reset

[sage robin]

i was out all weekend 🥀

been coming home at 4am every night

[rare meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/mango-cat-dance-ai-dancing-cat-gif-4373280976266621514

ai..

[reef oar]

https://giphy.com/gifs/kitty-ai-meowtakeover-7NNqJw0T3cb62PMzXR

[winter compass]

:3

[tacit nova]

retromf started this downfall with AI-generated memes

I'm honestly scared every time I open #off-topic

[sage robin]

why are u describing me as the devil 💀

[sage robin]

i dont use ai baby no more bro

and im not even active as much here anymore

[tacit nova]

only said you started it

[unreal venture]

skill issue

[sage robin]

im praying on ur downfall btw

[unreal venture]

blame barry cause you cant keep up the streak

[sage robin]

107 day streak

for nothing

[unreal venture]

i already had a downfall 💀

[sage robin]

bro keeping it 100% honest with you

[unreal venture]

i lost a 600+ streak

[sage robin]

this past week been the most unreal shit ever

[honest thistle]

@unreal venture blame me? buddy, my only streak is avoiding your streaks. they usually end in tears and a full server wipe. i'm not touching that with a ten-foot pole.

[sage robin]

oof damn

[sage robin]

photoshop

[unreal venture]

#bot-commands message

[sage robin]

thats ai generated

[unreal venture]

its accurate, ask barry

[sage robin]

me and barry broke up

we don't talk anymore

😂✌️

left him on read

[winter compass]

[blazing oar]

Why would I?

[reef oar]

I mean why would closed source code be a problem in the first place

Closed source code != shady

[blazing oar]

Sure

Still waiting for an answer though

[reef oar]

Then you're just biased towards not liking closed source codes, not really something that is ultimately wrong

Prob you went through something with your experience that made u feel differently

but that doesnt make it the rule tho

[blazing oar]

Nope not rlly

[reef oar]

lol, if you have an opinion about something, then there is a reason, "why would I?" is avoiding my initial question

[blazing oar]

If you buy a software, you should own it. Owning it also means source code

[reef oar]

Who decides that lol

Or is that an expectation that u have

[blazing oar]

Common sense and logic, it is how it used to be lol

[blazing oar]

Also that

[reef oar]

If companies decide to not have the source code and make it clear, then i dont see what is the issue

[boreal escarp]

Stop with the stupid gifs smh

[blazing oar]

I just use alternatives if there are any lol

Simple lol

[reef oar]

I would say is just an expectation you have

[blazing oar]

There are only some specific cases where closed source, specially in plugins makes sense, like AC

[reef oar]

And you might end up missing a lot but in the end of the day, it is preferences

[boreal escarp]

In the real world, outside MC, companies pay extra for src

[reef oar]

Ofc

I mean... i do the same in MC

[boreal escarp]

Otherwise is the vendor's interest to keep the client tied to their services.

[reef oar]

I don't see why it would be different

[blazing oar]

Sure, heck I'd be fine with that too

[reef oar]

Exactly

If they have the source, then there is no point of continuing with our services

[boreal escarp]

It usually applies only to custom software, public paid software is mostly closed source

[blazing oar]

I am against not having the OPTION

[reef oar]

I mean, a company can give you the "option" and mark it million dollars

Would that be any different?

[blazing oar]

I understand that, but that's just how the world has become, subscription here, subscription there

You don't own anything anymore

[boreal escarp]

Dont get me wrong, I'm all for giving the src, but for extra money

[rare meteor]

lets go i did black magic 2 days ago

[reef oar]

shrug, it is what it is, i also dont like it, but we have to accept it

[blazing oar]

Disagree

[boreal escarp]

Unless it is a small plugin, then idc, you can have the src for free

[blazing oar]

You decided to do that by yourself.

Just like I decided to make my plugins open source

[reef oar]

In the end, what is the goal?

[blazing oar]

You tell me that

[reef oar]

You really think these big corporates are going to change?

Is just how the world is, you don't make the rules, you play their rules

[blazing oar]

Oh so just because corporations don't change that means you descend to their level now?

[reef oar]

You control nothing ,you own nothing, if you think subscription is the problem...

[reef oar]

I don't see how it affects my morals

[blazing oar]

What would happen to linux if it descended to that level lmao

[reef oar]

In the end of the day, it is indeed your choice to not use their services

No one is forcing you

[blazing oar]

That is true, but you always have the option

[reef oar]

Or you can resort to piracy... but oh well, thats illegal so

[blazing oar]

Eh

[reef oar]

lol and in the end, if a company have subscription based or not, you can choose to use ir or not

[blazing oar]

Is it illegal? You can't own it, so why would it be piracy?

[reef oar]

They keep making money, so is not really a problem

[reef oar]

Again, you don't make the rules

If they say is illegal, it is illegal

[blazing oar]

There is a big reason piracy has had a HUGE jump again lately

[reef oar]

Yeah i mean, who likes to have to pay 10000 subscriptions

[blazing oar]

Well, yes and no, people really don't understand their value. A perfect example is the abobe animation thingy. Just a quick example on how much power consumers have lol...

Companies follow money, if people start hurting their income, they listen.

[blazing oar]

Exactly

One of the things I hate the most that some mc plugins have is fking loaders

[rare meteor]

Well, I am not fully against piracy - if people can pay, they should not pirate that's it.
If they can afford why not?

[blazing oar]

I understand the concept of them, security blablabla, but god do I hate them

[reef oar]

I mean it is indeed security, in the end of the day, if a company makes it clear you have a license and you don't own it, then i don't see why people would have an issue

[blazing oar]

It's essentially a free backdoor into your server if something happens, and most loaders, if the author's servers go down, you can't even use/start you server anymore

[reef oar]

I also wonder how you would do any kind of business (proper, scalable) with your current line of views

[reef oar]

Lol, backdoor?

Not really a backdoor, depends on how you use it

[blazing oar]

I wouldn't provide a software, I'd provide a service

[reef oar]

Our license system also have a grace period, even if our system goes down we have up to 48h to fix it and people will not get affected

[blazing oar]

And also, plenty of open source projects perfectly fine

[reef oar]

But then thats not a business, thats more a freelancing

[reef oar]

Like Excellent Crates right lol

[blazing oar]

Well that's cool, sadly not every loader has that to my knowledge

[reef oar]

Thats why we have tons of ppl migrating from them cause their plugin is shit

[blazing oar]

Never said it wasn't xd

[reef oar]

I mean, I'm sure that any serious, real business would have it

Customers is a priority, having something that fails is literally a big problem

The license shouldn't limit you, it should provide us control

You as a customer are not the problem, the issue starts with redistributions

Which without a license, we can't avoid

[blazing oar]

You are portuguese, so I assume you are also familiar with brazilian plugin stores, which many do not have this grace period either lol

[reef oar]

I mean they are amateur

[blazing oar]

That I can't argue about

[reef oar]

So many of these stores have drama and even legal issues

[blazing oar]

Yeah

[reef oar]

I know that cause i've worked on brazilian community for a long time

[blazing oar]

It's funny I never saw you there

[reef oar]

The biggest i would say is atlas lol

[blazing oar]

Idk how lol

[blazing oar]

Used to be

Ystore is 100% biggest now

[reef oar]

hm not sure about that

Leafplugins is getting a lot of popularity these last 2 yeasrs at least

[blazing oar]

That is true

But not enough yet though

[reef oar]

They also interact with several local communities

[blazing oar]

Yeah still amazed how I never saw you ever lol, I used to be quite active in the Brazilian community too years ago lol

[reef oar]

I left Brazilian community 4 years ago i would say

My original portfolio was done in the Brazilian community

https://prnt.sc/lnO3B0ko5sEm

Then i started charging more and the Brazilian community couldn't keep with it (only big servers could pay but I then I started only making comissions where other people couldnt which are the animations)

https://prnt.sc/VNE0FzqV7SOd

This was my first commission in the english community

[twin pier]

Universe caches your license status for a quite nice period of time and if for any reason your connectivity is fully gone we also have support for fallback jars in case the start process fails

So no, you wont end with a closed server in any case unless you decide to not configure it

[winter compass]

thonk~2

drama?

[tacit nova]

Random question, are Java agents allowed?

[twin pier]

If you want to use an java agent you need us to whitelist it, any random java agent is not allowed

So 50/50

[rare meteor]

well ngl when i first played minecraft server it was on a cracked server cuz i didn't had parents support or money to buy it.

[tacit nova]

Why is that? What can a Java agent do that is not allowed?

[twin pier]

They can tamper software integrity, which is not something we are interested in dealing with specially with the amount of tickets we have

[tacit nova]

But I'm guessing that when a server owner uses a Java agent they have a use for it. If they cause a bug that's on them, no?

[twin pier]

When a bug happens you'll firstly blame the guy you pay for right

That happens quite often

And since it's not behavior we can control we can't really know what's wrong in a short amount of time

[tacit nova]

Hm I guess that makes sense, but maybe just restrict support unless the bug has been reproduced without a Java agent

[twin pier]

We don't like restricting support so we went this way :)

[tacit nova]

I'm just leaning more to the direction that once you buy something it shouldn't limit you any more than the free forks out there

[twin pier]

As far as you work with us closely you aren't really limited

Reviewing an java agent is quick unless you got a whole framework there

[tacit nova]

So you would do updates as well, not just a one time thing? And how long does that usually take

[twin pier]

Yes, we handle updates of your agent too

[kind sorrel]

💀

imagine

[twin pier]

We are quite active so after we give the green light to your agent then in the next minutes it should be able to run

For record purposes we have over 12 agents allowed at the moment

[kind sorrel]

you'd need to pay me a lot of money to use such malware

[twin pier]

Depends on what you refer as malware

[winter compass]

popcornparrot

[kind sorrel]

software that phones home to my disadvantage

[twin pier]

[kind sorrel]

(besides all the other extremely morally wrong things with the software)

[twin pier]

I'm open to feedback

[kind sorrel]

as open as the source of your software?

[twin pier]

If you can prove in a court of law the patching system isn't a gray area but violating the license, yeah sure

[kind sorrel]

not the point

[twin pier]

Source will be disclosed once development ends or i die, and i have plenty of people in the repository for that

[kind sorrel]

but why

[twin pier]

I'm also starting to contribute the low-maintenance performance patches of Universe to Paper soon

So i don't see the issue

[kind sorrel]

That I welcome

[winter compass]

😋

[twin pier]

While people says disclosing source doesn't damage sales, i don't think that really applies to server jars

So i'll take the hate for that, if my decision is violating the GPL that's something a judge should say

But we applying the same technique Paperclip does (We have our own patching system mimicking the same process Paper does to the Vanilla server but to the Paper server) so we are in the same grey area as them

So if i'm wrong then Paper is also infringing Mojang proprietary license

[kind sorrel]

I really don't care about the legal aspect

I just hate closed source forks with a passion

[twin pier]

Most of the hate i receive is due to the legal aspect, my bad

[kind sorrel]

maybe because they caused me far too much headache already

[tacit nova]

Are you using patches from Paper?

[twin pier]

My patches are ARR and they're instructions to replace code on runtime with bsdiff

It's a private combination under FSF Section 1

[winter compass]

hmm

very complex words are being spoken

popcorn_parrot

[twin pier]

My patches aren't merged with the Paper patches in the same patching process

If i used Paperclip then it would be merged and that would be an actual issue, but they're not

[twin pier]

And that's understandable, quite a lot of past with paid forks

[tacit nova]

That's smart

[twin pier]

But i don't think we are in the same page as those past forks

If i were like those old forks era i would abandon Universe and throw DifferentNameSpigot and make everyone pay again every 3 months

Universe exists since 2023 and our clients are very happy with the product, we listen to them and we constantly update it for them at no extra cost

If they're coming from their own fork they also have the option to integrate their patches in our codebase if it's not a maintenance nightmare and we will maintain them for free over versions

[winter compass]

sounds like luxury treatment

thonk~2

what's the catch

[subtle oracle]

Machine come back to the server with the purple man

[twin pier]

Actually none to be fair

People says we spy your server files, we don't and you can track those operations yourself and will find nothing

We don't require an active internet connection after the server started so no random outages in the middle of a event

We don't have special commands and we can't remotely shutdown your server

The only information we get is your auth request and nothing else

[winter compass]

question, is USpigot your full-time work or a side/main(tho doesn't replace actual job) project?

[twin pier]

It's right now full time because i just finished high school

My activity could decrease once i join the university but i'll always have some work done each day, i'm not the only developer in the project in any case

And i'm really happy working on Universe, i don't really see it as a job

It also helped me to pay my mom's surgery last week

[blazing oar]

I don't remember mentioning universe when saying that

[twin pier]

The conversation was about Universe above so i linked it

And doesn't harm to let you know more about Universe :)

[blazing oar]

I laughed when I read this, that was funny xd

[blazing oar]

Well sure, sorry but I still don't trust it.

Not that it matters

Since I don't really have a server

[twin pier]

That's fine

[blazing oar]

Overall way too shady things around it, way too many claims of stolen code from other projects, overall not sure I like that

The agents part is also weird

[twin pier]

I'm happy to give you a tour later over those claims

[twin pier]

Honestly it's very simple; the only thing we do is checking if your agent is all ok and then you can use it

There's no limit in the amount of agents, there's no fee to whitelist your agent

You just keep in contact with us

[kind sorrel]

https://github.com/lucko/spark/pull/499 is this relevant in such case?

[twin pier]

Spark agent works without issues

We always ensure to test plugins with agents like old LuckPerms versions or Spark that uses ByteBuddy agents

[dusky summit]

piggy how's the aussie summer treating you

[eternal apex]

basically bacon at this point

[dusky summit]

damn

[eternal apex]

it's great fun

since I work outside too

really great fun

[dusky summit]

oh that sounds

not very healthy

[eternal apex]

no definitely not

god intended us to sit inside infront of computers

not out in the sun

it's bloody dangerous out there

[dusky summit]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-work-angry-mad-upset-gif-17044186

we got some very bad days here, 36c, 38c, but those are the exceptional days

[eternal apex]

where do u live again

[dusky summit]

Argentinaland

[eternal apex]

ahh that's right

[kind sorrel]

urgentina

[eternal apex]

yeah right didn't realise it got that hot there

cubes been getting hit harder I think

lots of 40+ days

me not so much, I don't know if we've hit 40 yet

was 49 in a town a bit north of me tho

[dusky summit]

damn

i would die

maybe possibly

[eternal apex]

definitely a possibility

[blazing oar]

I think he was mainly asking if you dislike agents because they can dump universe's code, which makes quite a lot of sense why you'd dislike it

[twin pier]

It's not really an issue, you don't need to rely on an agent for that

[winter compass]

🤤 bacon

[blazing oar]

I mean, I'd assume it's pretty easier at least, due to the hundreds of obfuscations universe probably has

[twin pier]

Eh no, it's the same

[blazing oar]

So if it is that easy, why not provide source?

[twin pier]

Dumped code != actual source

You would need to dig on it manually because it's simply not valid

If you're willing to spend time in doing that then you're able to maintain your own fork, why taking care of Universe then

[dusky summit]

"hundreds of obfuscations"

yeah, there are, like, at least 600

[kind sorrel]

longer names mean more memory usage

[twin pier]

That would be a stupid transformer though

If you want to obfuscate you'll want to make the code complex to read

And that hurts performance

[kind sorrel]

well shortening names is one of the most common approaches to that

[twin pier]

If you don't change the code flow then you can just map it

Back to original names

[dusky summit]

look how well that worked out for mojang

[kind sorrel]

you can also just let an optimizer simplify the complex code

[twin pier]

You can give a seizure to projects reading the code if you make it bad enough

The JVM fails to verify some stuff

[kind sorrel]

fails to verify correct code or rejects illegal class files

[twin pier]

It's illegal in the spec but valid for the jvm class parser

Projects based on the spec will break but it will still load normally if you execute it

[kind sorrel]

until it doesn't anymore :)

[twin pier]

It does because the class parser simply ignores it lol

[kind sorrel]

well that does not have to be the case

[twin pier]

If it fails to load then you actually introduced illegal code to the verifier

And that would require -noverify flag to run

But i'm talking without -noverify

And since i mentioned the flag, you can do really fun stuff with that one

[kind sorrel]

yeah but that means you depend on behavior of a specific jvm implementation on a specific version

[twin pier]

Not really, those verifications are since like Java 1-8

You just need to insert the instructions for the minimum java version you support

[kind sorrel]

I don't see your point

[twin pier]

You don't rely on specific vm implementations

Specific VM implementations don't change the actual bytecode instructions

[kind sorrel]

maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what you're trying to say

[twin pier]

Yeah

[kind sorrel]

but if you're depending on a bug in the verifier(?), then you're depending on a version-specific implementation detail

[twin pier]

It's not a bug in the verifier, the spec simply doesnt want you to do that because it's nonsense

And the verifier only gets more else if branches on newer jdk versions

[kind sorrel]

?

[twin pier]

For the new features they add

[kind sorrel]

it's either against the spec or not

or are you saying it's accepted because it was legal at some point

[twin pier]

It's against the java spec which is what javac uses, but the jvm itself is able to read out-of-spec instructions

[kind sorrel]

I assume you mean it's against the JVMS?

but if "the jvm itself is able to read out-of-spec instructions", that means the jvm is not spec conform in that regard

[reef oar]

Hey, just remembering you guys to make a pause and stay hidrated! Thats all, have a good one

[twin pier]

I don't know if that's intentional but that wont change due to the backwards compatibility norm of the project :p

[kind sorrel]

backwards compatibility is not guaranteed for bugs

[twin pier]

It's simple stuff though, can't really do anything about it as java types are quite undefined

Loading doubles with float instructions for example

[kind sorrel]

from the stack or from a field?

[twin pier]

From the stack

[kind sorrel]

that should be verifiable with stack map table info no?

[twin pier]

Sometimes you don't even know the type you receive so you need to be lenient

[kind sorrel]

from the stack?

I mean the int subtypes, yes, but double vs float should be verifiable

[twin pier]

I'm talking based on my previous tests, don't have the definitive answer of that behavior

¯_(ツ)_/¯

But eitherway, it's quite fun playing with how the vm works

[winter compass]

you should hydrate yourself up

😋

🍽️

[kind sorrel]

it's fun until you get a bug assigned to you because you broke something

[twin pier]

I only do it for fun, i don't deploy that stuff to prod

[reef oar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/697522190773518417/1308857967726039100/togif-2.gif