off-topic

[harsh rivet]

i have redeemed a shit ton of them

[proper jungle]

did you know that Lumpus works at Microsoft?

[harsh rivet]

not by scamming no no

[proper jungle]

xD

[stark rapids]

It was just minecraft java I got it from doing some graphics early days

[harsh rivet]

When I was a kid

[harsh rivet]

waw

[proper jungle]

i was selling accounts

[harsh rivet]

Gotta hit them up for my paycheck then

[proper jungle]

i sold like hundred of those

[stark rapids]

FA SFA damn those days

NFA

ahahah

[harsh rivet]

Yeah lol

all those generators or whatever they were

[proper jungle]

i was selling unmigrated

not nfa

[harsh rivet]

most were

[proper jungle]

it was just 3€ 😭😭

i would make bank now

[harsh rivet]

expensive

[proper jungle]

i was selling it for 3

[harsh rivet]

people were selling nfa's for 0.7$

[proper jungle]

yeeeh

[harsh rivet]

you're from the south?

[stark rapids]

From the center

[harsh rivet]

the place where you can't breathe?

Or Haryana

[stark rapids]

Thats north mate, yall need to know the center states aswell

[harsh rivet]

Ah mp?

Gwalior?

[stark rapids]

close enough

[harsh rivet]

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/rizz-dziadyga-can-i-get-uhh-gif-18443317180470660474

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[proper jungle]

hey retro

[sage robin]

Hi larky

[dry cliff]

Fusion Network has to be the most toxic server out there 😭

[harsh rivet]

wat happend?

[dry cliff]

I didnt read the entire drama

[harsh rivet]

it wasnt any good before but still

[dry cliff]

but someone has someone's ip

[harsh rivet]

and

[dry cliff]

holdup im still reading it

"leak his ip"

[harsh rivet]

wait is this about the owners or staff doxxing players?

[dry cliff]

lemme check

[harsh rivet]

thats so scummy

[dry cliff]

nah it's a player having other player's IP or something

and ofc the owners are clueless

[harsh rivet]

o

well that can happen and happens in almost every server tho

[dry cliff]

I didn't read the entire convo

[harsh rivet]

fusion is basically dead tho

their player count was 30-50 last time i checked, and most were afk

[arctic cobalt]

10usd for a trailer

Lmao

How long, 3 seconds?

[faint yoke]

The + is there for a reason

Also the mention of phases. If someone wants to only do the basics, that’s $20. If they want to do anything beyond that I’m paying far more

[harsh rivet]

what was your request tho

[sage robin]

hi ladies

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-ip-adress-i-have-your-ip-i-have-your-ip-adress-i-have-your-ip-address-gif-25694584

[versed hill]

o/

[harsh rivet]

is this allowed?

[dry cliff]

nope

[proper jungle]

@naive agate ^

bros getting more pings from me than messages

lol

[naive agate]

gone

[proper jungle]

❤️

u better give me ur staff role bruv

[sage robin]

vote larky for president

[blazing oar]

nono

that would be the end

[sage robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138196554180722843/1328114064584478730/attachment.gif

[naive agate]

Anyone building stuff for Hytale?

[proper jungle]

WDYYYM

[naive agate]

ik you cooking for Hytale

[sage robin]

adam

ima keep it a buck 50 with you

I have no faith in hytale

[proper jungle]

am not

[sage robin]

I dont plan on doing anything hytale related tbh

[proper jungle]

I dont find it that interesting

[sage robin]

I legit have 0 faith on it lol

[proper jungle]

and the API misses tons of stuff

it aint worth it doing it while it is still EA

in Beta prob

[sage robin]

you saw the auth stuff?

😭

[naive agate]

I see a future as Minecraft lacks compared to Hytale yes its new and is buggy but Minecraft had issues aswell and things get resolved with time.

[proper jungle]

The game itself feels smooth, tho there's quite a bit of bugs that I've found by playing it for 2 hours. The graphics sometimes break, some textures look odd, generation is slow, everything is being super foggy, etc etc.
Hytale feels low-key intuitive tho i had to get used to some features and hotkeys. The UI currently feels overwhelming to me as well as the textures tho I think it's just about me being used to MC simplicity.

I really liked that the gameplay actually felt like playing Minecraft tho, however it's strange having a feeling of playing modded MC and also Beta MC (boring caves, broken generation, etc - it just feels like MC beta)

I think that the game has potential and I would love if it would become big tbh. Tho there's not much resources for plugin dev, which i do understand. They have been recoding stuff and had to rollback loads of stuff.

Personally i must say it's incredible what they have done in 2 months after acquiring Hytale back again.

Regarding development - imo it's cool to take a look what's possible now, how the code looks etc, tho as it's pretty much unfinished i would rather wait than coding something for it tbh.

this is my opinion abt hytale

[naive agate]

HOLY copy and paste

[proper jungle]

ye Ive written this in another dev comm

[naive agate]

how many times did you copy and paste this to others

LOL

[proper jungle]

this is for the first time

bruh

[dry cliff]

he probably dmed simon the same thing

[proper jungle]

bruh

[dry cliff]

that's something larky would do 😭

[naive agate]

ye it looks like minecraft modded but the goal of that game is it to be an MMO RPG that allows people to do whatever they want with builtin tools

[proper jungle]

thats lowkey tru

[naive agate]

compared to minecraft where nothing is built in

[proper jungle]

yea

[naive agate]

and tbh I actually think they have sick building tools / options

better then minecraft

[dry cliff]

okay but, I hope they don't sell it to Microsoft

that's the only thing

[blazing oar]

You forget minecraft is going extremely heavy on data driving everything... and even providing a proper shaders alternative.

[naive agate]

they wont they learned from the same mistake

[dry cliff]

Riot Games 😔

[naive agate]

sure but still

[blazing oar]

Hytale is good, but minecraft and hytale are 2 completely different games. Only thing they have in common is being blocks and a sandbox

[naive agate]

I agree

I think Hytale can do great as a sandbox

[blazing oar]

yeah

[naive agate]

as the latest good sandbox we had was gmod imo

LOL

[dry cliff]

It already has creative, no?

[naive agate]

yes

[blazing oar]

but it will never reach near the top

like MC or Roblox does

[dry cliff]

EW, roblox

[proper jungle]

nom nom Roblox

[dry cliff]

let's give it sometime

[blazing oar]

Roblox sucks yes

[naive agate]

I think it will be at the top if they take a roblox route but better

[blazing oar]

but it is the biggest game in the world atm

[naive agate]

with making "private" servers easier

[proper jungle]

we are Roblox lovers with Adam

right Adam

[naive agate]

yes

[dry cliff]

Adam why do you love roblox

[blazing oar]

very much doubt.

[naive agate]

Because money

[proper jungle]

I was about to type this

xDDDDDDD

[naive agate]

tbh roblox has some sick games

[blazing oar]

just the fact they are considering taking up to 20% cuts from servers already says a lot

lol

[dry cliff]

ONLY some

[naive agate]

that are crazy good and detailed

I just hate the fees

they take

[proper jungle]

Microsoft takes more

I used to work for the marketplace

[blazing oar]

we are not speaking about bedrock

who gives a single fuck about bedrock

lol

[proper jungle]

soon we might

[dry cliff]

nono

[proper jungle]

bcs of the new person in microsoft

xDDD

[blazing oar]

this is about servers

[naive agate]

I agree how are they going to moderate taking 20%

[dry cliff]

wait, who?

[blazing oar]

not marketplace

2 different things.

[naive agate]

Unless people are forced to use tebex

[dry cliff]

who is the new guy

[blazing oar]

they are considering taking 20% cuts from SERVERS

[naive agate]

Only way platforms like roblox and epicgames can do so is because its built in

[proper jungle]

the woman

from EA

[blazing oar]

not from a marketplace

2 different things

[dry cliff]

WHAT

FROM EA 😭

WHY

[proper jungle]

yea

[naive agate]

Discord has worse fees

[proper jungle]

she was handling ingame transactions

the microtransactions

in EA

[blazing oar]

still not comparable.

[naive agate]

ye

[proper jungle]

now shes in Microsoft

doing MC

both Java and Bedrock

[dry cliff]

FUCK NO

[proper jungle]

[dry cliff]

im uninstalling both

[proper jungle]

at least we have somewhere to go now boys

xDDD

[blazing oar]

Hytale is good, don't take me wrong, but I very much doubt it will win over minecraft.

[dry cliff]

EA is a terrible money grabbing company

Right next to WB

[blazing oar]

Specially if minecraft continues going in the right direction

once minecraft (java) is fully data driven

[dry cliff]

I wonder is

[blazing oar]

I can only imagine things are going to escalate quite a bit

[dry cliff]

is uhh any mojang staff here

[blazing oar]

here maybe not

on paper? yes

[dry cliff]

what they doing there 👀

[naive agate]

See imo Hytale can easily go up if they build a server directory like Roblox

[blazing oar]

Paper actually has meetings with mojang from time to time

[naive agate]

Java MC can do the same

they slacking

[blazing oar]

paper is quite literally the group representing Java MC community

paper's team were the ones that are pushing for data driving stuff

[naive agate]

fr?

[blazing oar]

and a lot of api changes/etc were recommended by paper

[dry cliff]

okay but let's not make it entirely like roblox

[blazing oar]

paper has a lot of influence at mojang yeah

a year ago or smt, mini actually asked in general for people to give him ideas that he'd propose to mojang

(idk if it was mini or someone else)

[sage robin]

lowkey

this color is ass

hold up

mucho gracias

[blazing oar]

well they can, but at the same time, they already do.

they have their official mc server list lol

[naive agate]

talking about discovery

[blazing oar]

and yes, fr.

[naive agate]

but not built into the client

which is needed

the fact that server lists are needed via web is the issue

[blazing oar]

papermc is at the forefront of changes being made to the api

[blazing oar]

fair ig

[naive agate]

I wanna start an open source project for Hytale something like "votifier" but for Hytale

ezzz

[proper jungle]

@blazing oar added

my bbg

[blazing oar]

OH

nice

[blazing oar]

I already have a project in hytale

a mini project

[naive agate]

show

[blazing oar]

it's called owning an account with the name "Siri"

[naive agate]

LMAOO

[proper jungle]

I have got votifier @naive agate

it is an overall API

[naive agate]

wym

[proper jungle]

Ive redone Votifier in Kotlin

I use the V2 protocol

[blazing oar]

Idk if I will ever sell that account

but I really wonder for how much I could theoretically sell it for

[proper jungle]

https://github.com/MrLarkyy/Votifier

[blazing oar]

what have you NOT done?

[proper jungle]

xDDD

[naive agate]

uh

nice

[blazing oar]

that actually reminds me I have SOOOO many projects...

[naive agate]

lol

[blazing oar]

gosh

I really need to finish runway first though

otherwise I am gonna get killed on my sleep

[naive agate]

I swear Larky be doing it all

he inspired most people with the animations

craziest shit I have seen in minecraft...

[blazing oar]

now remove your yaml sections thingy and support kotlinx.serialization stuff and we have a deal.

[blazing oar]

u should join the minestom server lol

minestom is where 95% of the crazy new shit originate from lol

showcase channel there is full of crazy shit

[naive agate]

I am not really doing MC stuff more into Discord Bots atm

and Roblox lol

Noti on TOP

[blazing oar]

ew

[naive agate]

why ew

Roblox has better discovery

[blazing oar]

first thing I see after opening showcase channel in minestom 💀

[vagrant pike]

BRACE FOR BIG TEXT
as someone who isnt hopping on Hytale train just yet, here are my two cents

the game itself isn't by any means revolutionary, sure a lot of people compare it to "modded minecraft" and while I can see why - its still a completely different game

I love all the built-in stuff, which was already discussed here, minecraft lacks A LOT in this department. the creator tools are very nice
I am sure they made all that stuff out of frustration that (and yes I believe Hytale was heavily inspired by the minecraft modded scene, since its made by Hypixel studios) minecraft has so very little tools and having to rely on third party tools or mods (WorldEdit, Axiom, etc)

imo for now its just better to wait and see where the game goes, I am sure they will fix all the current issues and will add a lot more in the future

[blazing oar]

roblox is the shittiest platform I have ever seen. If you have a game in roblox you are essentially support pedophilia lol

[naive agate]

Imo every game and platform has them

Minecraft has thousands of them with 0 moderation

[blazing oar]

tbf, those 3rd party tools are extremely cool like Axiom and imo are actually what make it such a cool ecosystem

have options instead of relying on the game devs adding those tools.

[sage robin]

why are you on discord then?

[naive agate]

Ik the whole situation is fucked and all with how shelp or whatever his name but ye

[sage robin]

discord has more

💀

[naive agate]

^

[sage robin]

discord more freaky aswell

[blazing oar]

yes, but roblox in specific is known to have such issues

[blazing oar]

they at least try to moderate it lol

[sage robin]

no lmao

its the opposite

discord aint doing shit

[naive agate]

I agree 1000%

[sage robin]

roblox are trying

but its ass

still

[blazing oar]

that's just plain wrong

[naive agate]

Because it was exposed more but Discord is the place where it all happens most of the time.

[blazing oar]

roblox is trying after years of complaints and only trying because it went to national news in the US

they didn't give a single fuck before the whole scandal

[sage robin]

they're being review bombed rn by literal children

[blazing oar]

it's a messaging app, what do you expect lol

[sage robin]

becasue they cut out messaging access 😭😭

like theres sum crazy restrictions

[blazing oar]

yes

I am aware

specially in voice chats

Still prefer MC 10x over roblox

MC is open

and signed chats exist

the problem is 95% of servers disable it

since they want to handle their own moderation

which is understandable from one side, stupid from the other

[naive agate]

Its harder to moderate a platform like MC Java compared to Roblox where everything in Roblox is operated through Roblox such as Hosting.

[harsh rivet]

now you've become a femboy

[proper jungle]

make a PR

[naive agate]

I think Hytale will inspire minecraft and even roblox but Roblox needs to inspire Hytale with discovery system

[proper jungle]

I have no clue how to do it w serialization

I still want and need to support yml

and I also need to support ConfigurationSection

[harsh rivet]

hytale is out?

[proper jungle]

yea

[blazing oar]

exactly

basically 2 uncomparable types of moderation

[proper jungle]

but this is abt shaders not platform

[blazing oar]

perfect time to learn

[proper jungle]

one thing that I dont like is people are separating showcases what they did in paperapi and minestom

[blazing oar]

never said anything about platform? I said that the minestom server is where most innovations are shown

[proper jungle]

its still the same protocol

[blazing oar]

never said it was about minestom

[naive agate]

WTF

[proper jungle]

am not saying its u

[blazing oar]

that was built in minestom though

[proper jungle]

but many people are saying how's minestom powerful. Sure it can be powerful, but it is bcs of the lack of features and just a server skeleton

[blazing oar]

maybe not relevant to what they are showing

[naive agate]

tf is Minestorm

lol

[vagrant pike]

Minestom

[proper jungle]

xD

[naive agate]

same shit

what is it

[vagrant pike]

barebones mc

[naive agate]

so less bloat?

[vagrant pike]

you implement everything yourself

mob AI, etc

[naive agate]

I see

this would have been nice when I ran an MC server

[blazing oar]

wanna see an even funnier one?

[naive agate]

ye

[vagrant pike]

https://minestom.net

[blazing oar]

this is fully in vanilla

no resource packs

[naive agate]

what in the gmod

[blazing oar]

yeee

crazy stuff

I assume it uses display entities

cause no idea how else you'd do this without resource packs

[naive agate]

I remember the method use to be armor stands

LOL

tf happened to MC

lol

use to have armor stands to drive minecarts in minecraft

[blazing oar]

https://streamable.com/n7bfwr

more

[naive agate]

thats dope

has anyone made a crazy server with these?

how tf does MC have those physics

is this modless and all?

[blazing oar]

more

[blazing oar]

no mods, all server side

[naive agate]

wow

A good map can be madde

with that

[blazing oar]

minimaps?

already a thing

xD

[naive agate]

ye

[naive agate]

show I have seen a few but nothing crazy

[blazing oar]

there is also this

[naive agate]

BRO WHAT

HOW

that is crazy

[blazing oar]

there is this gta one

but I have seen actual minimaps

like with the terrain etc

[proper jungle]

the synced map with the roads & such is crazy work fr

they must have spent loads of hours on that bruv

[proper jungle]

kotlinx.serialization supports yml?

ah not directly

there's kaml, but that aint maintained anymore

[proper jungle]

I wish there would be builtin UI elements system

[vagrant pike]

https://youtu.be/PSnPOYeTW-0?si=7Qkx_mvH4pmSGXay

this one is crazier

this guy has some cool stuff

[proper jungle]

@naive agate Ive just updated it for you
https://github.com/MrLarkyy/Votifier

the is a really low level Votifier app

so have this in mind

it does not have any integrations

which is imo a great thing, thats why Ive done it

I have also done a Tebex integration

tho its private

and I cannot share it

[blazing oar]

yeah if I recall that one was inspired by the one I sent

[blazing oar]

that's very unlikely for now...

data driving everything is the first step into that direction

[winter compass]

[sage robin]

@woven prairie bro you used to be the expert of minecraft marketing (i saw ur old spigot forum post on it) is there any new methods now?

[sage robin]

like what are the TOP ways to advertise a minecraft server nowadays, that'll gaurantee it's success.

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/effective-minecraft-server-advertising-methods.601239/

I meant this forum^

[blazing oar]

the best method is to do a non generic mc server

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-johan-cut-it-nahh-not-funny-gif-16881741

[blazing oar]

and no advertisement is guaranteed

[blazing oar]

yeah, ik peanut is generic

[sage robin]

ye ofc i meant which is the best method atm

[sage robin]

I hate to differ

highkey im 18 years old and my server looks better than most top servers nowadays

[blazing oar]

and?

still generic

[sage robin]

which are full of unconfigured public plugins

[blazing oar]

lol

[sage robin]

[blazing oar]

why does age have anything to do with it too

[sage robin]

okay buddy

[sage robin]

it does tbh IMO

[blazing oar]

and why does using custom plugins make it better?

it's generic.

[sage robin]

didnt say anything about custom plugins

[blazing oar]

I have seen 15 year olds have 1k player networks lol

[sage robin]

I've spoken to many people in the mc server space and most are all 30s+

which servers that look like dogshit

no offence to them

fr

[blazing oar]

cool

[sage robin]

cold

[blazing oar]

yours is not much better

yours just has fancy graphics

[sage robin]

okay

[blazing oar]

gameplay is generic

and boring

same as all others

[sage robin]

your opinion not others

[blazing oar]

people don't care about it looking fancy

[blazing oar]

I am not the one asking for "guaranteed advertisement methods"

[sage robin]

ok

[blazing oar]

I speak what comes to my mind, your server is generic

I have seen several just like yours, be it less or more fancy graphics

[sage robin]

I disagree with your mind :]

[blazing oar]

yeah, ik

why would you agree?

people usually can't think objectively about their own creations

I don't expect you to break that trend

it's like me being biased towards Runway

[sage robin]

im not being biased which is why I said IMO

just spoke my opinion lol

[blazing oar]

well yeah but your opinion about your own project is always biased

lol

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/amogus-heart-open-gif-22068088

[dry cliff]

holdup

there's a game about solo leveling?

[long summit]

the game itself isn't by any means revolutionary
It isn't, but what they are trying to do for modders is what we all wish Mojang would do if they actually cared
The fact that you can hot reload a server side mod and just straight up add anything you want to the game is amazing

[trim raft]

No offense but i trust someones opinion who doesnt have Discord nitro more than someone who does lol

[stark rapids]

thanks

[violet gyro]

isnt that friendly fire

[sage robin]

fr

[rare meteor]

Lmao why are ppl fighting over it..
Do whatever you like 😁

[trim raft]

I got a free month of nitro from Epic Games store, to which it then auto renewed without telling me

So yes kinda

[violet gyro]

o 😭

[sage robin]

you have early supporter badge bro

[trim raft]

but i never wouldve bought it intentionally

[sage robin]

i fw the better stream quality tbh

[trim raft]

Free nitro for a month

[violet gyro]

i only have it for my banner and file upload size

[sage robin]

and a sexier profile

cant have my lego batman banner w/o it

😔

[trim raft]

Can't believe they limit files to like 10mb if you dont have Nitro and its half a GB if you have Nitro. Crazy

[sage robin]

fr

but once again

file hosts exist which are ez to do

mediafire, etc

[rare meteor]

Why it took you 1800 years to become a elite gamer

[trim raft]

Counterpoint

Its a lot more fun to watch an entire movie over Discord than it is on Mediafire lol

[violet gyro]

thats crazy

[rare meteor]

[trim raft]

Practice makes perfect

[sage robin]

aint ts straight up piracy? 😭✌️

[trim raft]

Yeah

I deleted it otherwise cube will yell at me

http://img.brett.lol/2026/01/5pbopBtwzi.png I have a collection tho

[violet gyro]

plankton is peak

[trim raft]

Can someone bring back rabb.it pls

That site was peak Discord screenshot aint the same

[stark rapids]

https://imgur.com/a/NkhTP

enjoy

[stark rapids]

@silver cape better to post in #1456082816507838717

[silver cape]

thanks

[blazing oar]

well it's 2 completely different situations... Hytale was built to be modded, minecraft started as a passion projects that grew exponentially and now that they want to add stuff like data driving everything, it requires huge rewrites.

[long summit]

It doesn't though

For example entities, having you seen the code for it? They are all hardcoded in a format that could literally be a json file

[blazing oar]

I am sure if they had started rewriting minecraft with the goal of making it moddable at the same time hytale started, I BET they could do something to the same level or even better.

[blazing oar]

well yeah, that's my point, they need to make changes to how things are handled to make it support this.

[long summit]

The entities file i am talking about is a format from 1.16, 6 years ago

[violet gyro]

the new snapshot has some huge changes internally that remove hardcoded block and item references

[blazing oar]

Well, I am not extremely informed on the topic, but I think it's unfair to compare a game that was built with modding in mind with a game that didn't really pay attention to modding until recently.

[violet gyro]

so we might be getting data driven blocks sometimes

[blazing oar]

I guess the main issue is that mojang didn't pay attention to modders earlier.

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-johan-cut-it-nahh-not-funny-gif-16881741

[blazing oar]

yes, hence why I said they are pushing for data driving everything

[violet gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-s-patrick-patrick-star-bottle-dumb-gif-1741625486363070335

[long summit]

I mean that is my issue and what I am complaining about, "a game that didn't really pay attention to modding until recently"
How old is Minecraft, for how long has moddiing been a thing, and yet they never cared

[blazing oar]

I recall someone from the paper team also saying they ARE going to data drive everything

yeah that I agree with

[long summit]

They are going to data drive everything yes, I'll get back to you in 10 years

[blazing oar]

ngl, that would mean that we all still here in 10 years

which would either be impressive or idk

[violet gyro]

cant wait for 6 warning screens for custom blocks because someone might break the eula with it

[blazing oar]

yeah it's a tricky thing

[sage robin]

so guys how are we doing today?

[blazing oar]

minecraft giving servers so much freedom leads to this

it's very hard to not have people abuse it

[violet gyro]

very true

[blazing oar]

and the problem is, unlike platforms like roblox, minecraft has barely any control on servers.

[violet gyro]

i guess thats why they went so crazy with control on bedrock with the chatfilter and stuff

[blazing oar]

Roblox knows exactly how many games it has, roblox knows exactly what people are speaking in those games, they can easily block/ban said game, and even track it.

Minecraft has no control over servers. None. The maximum control they have is of chat, IF the server didn't disable signed chats

So minecraft has to play a lot with the "preventing abusing" rather than reacting to it.

[blazing oar]

bedrock is a very different talk, they have way more control over there.

[long summit]

roblox knows exactly what people are speaking in those games, they can easily block/ban said game, and even track it.
If they really can they are not really doing a good job

[blazing oar]

well that's different topic xD

but they have access to all that data and control over it all IF they want to

minecraft has none

which is a double edged sword.

Community has control over their servers, but at what cost?

[long summit]

Minecraft tried (in a bad way) but people hated it

[blazing oar]

?

signed chats?

[long summit]

Yeah

[blazing oar]

well, yeah

cause people like having control

there's a reason barely any servers have signed chats enabled

but it's essentially the servers that are making the community an unsafe environment by doing that.

[long summit]

Main reason is because people hate it, second reason is because unless you had a single server and instead of a network it is an absolute nightmare to implement it

[blazing oar]

if there is a p word (barry dislikes it) in a server with signed chat disabled, how is mojang supposed to do anything?

[blazing oar]

sure, but why would people refuse that?

you are essentially taking work load out of your server and giving it to mojang

why wouldn't you benefit from it?

plus, from the very few servers I have seen with signed chats enabled, it really does a very decent job.

[long summit]

We tried a lot to enable it, it was horrible @slate hill can share her bad experience with it

[blazing oar]

horrible in what way?

not doing its job? Implementing it itself? or...?

[long summit]

Messages coming in out of order, players getting kicked when typing, crashes, there were a lot of issues

[blazing oar]

Also a bit offtopic but something worth mentioning is that Java edition acts as the marketing platform for minecraft, even though bedrock has the most players. Every single large video of MC in youtube, etc is java edition.

[long summit]

Network wide implementation

unless you have a single server and instead of a network it is an absolute nightmare

[blazing oar]

I see, does noxcrew not have contacts with mojang? Couldn't you ask for support?

Or ask if they can do any changes on their side to make that possible

[long summit]

We do, all those issues they were aware of, if you look at the past like 4 versions there were tons of changes to the system because of it

[blazing oar]

Oh really?

Can you point one out? Just curious, I never read changelogs fully so sometimes I may have missed stuff like this

what did they improve?

I assume it's not enough yet to give it a try again though

[long summit]

Let me see if I can find it

[woven prairie]

Shorts 👍

[blazing oar]

these only good in the short term from my experience

[sage robin]

dont ad vote slots do crazy

like if you purchase a sponsored slot

[woven prairie]

Aye man

Easy to get joins
Easy to get bedrock joins
Easy to get decent $$

[woven prairie]

Yeah, but you gotta spoof too

[sage robin]

Im just doing forums + shorts atm, averaging 1-2shorts/week

[sage robin]

ye I do it slightly, not as crazy as other servers

[blazing oar]

yeah but from what I have heard, people coming from shorts tend to not stay long

[sage robin]

just +5-10 players

[sage robin]

and from shorts, they're all kids who are unstable/lifesteal fans who are feinin for pvp

[woven prairie]

Yeah, ofc, shorts give tons of joins

[sage robin]

no joke^ fr

[blazing oar]

tons of joins, but 98% leave 10 mins after

lol

sooo, is it rlly worth it?

[sage robin]

thats kinda on the server tho

player retention isnt the ads fault lol

[blazing oar]

the biggest long standing servers are always the ones that are non generic and build up a community.

[long summit]

Huh I guess none of it was mentioned in the patch notes :')
I guess it makes sense since it's all internal changes

[woven prairie]

Yes. You post daily, probably get 10,000 joins, 50-100 stay, and then you make a decent ROI

Then return

[sage robin]

💀

I REALLY don't wanna name drop

[blazing oar]

no, users coming from shorts/tiktok tend to always stay WAY less time in your server. Regardless if the server is rlly good or not

[sage robin]

but just know the top servers that pay for sponsored vote slots are the most generic servers ever

its just that they've been around for a while

[blazing oar]

yes

[sage robin]

and throw thousands on ads

[blazing oar]

but you can never compare yourself with those big top servers

lol

[sage robin]

obviously yea

[blazing oar]

so why are you

lol

[sage robin]

im not

[blazing oar]

I was not speaking about those big top servers.

long standing and having a community != big top servers

[sage robin]

I wasn't comparing, I was just saying my point that any server doesnt matter how good it is as long as its promoted right it'll get motion

[blazing oar]

Oh well, yeah, but I guess still not enough for it to be worth retrying to implement?

[blazing oar]

but not for long

is my point

building up a community is 10x more beneifical in the long term than having a bunch of players in the short term and making a quick buck

[long summit]

Judging by the fact that we still have it off I'm assuming it's not worth the dev time :')

[blazing oar]

even if it could remove tons of mod workload?

I do wonder, how big is the mod team at MCCI?

[long summit]

Doubt it would remove mod workload

[blazing oar]

well it would at the very least improve their ex. Like being able to remove single messages from chat, etc.

[long summit]

Most of our reports come from game instances with no moderators present, so don't think it would change anything

[blazing oar]

imagine if they added some sort of auto mod to signed chats

it could either go very well or very badly

[slate hill]

yeah it was ROUGH

[slate hill]

it doesn't really replace a mod team, it's a lot slower to react than dedicated server mods can be, but bans are obviously a bit more global

their rules are more relaxed than a lot of servers because of that though

[long summit]

plus how many people actually use the report feature

[slate hill]

it's also pretty much impossible to do reliably on anything that doesn't behave exactly like vanilla chat, even if you got it working (i almost did, it just had a showstopping bug that nobody could find because the system is so opaque) then it still leaves loads of holes in the message chain because everyone is seeing completely differenet messages

it wasn't worth the effort at all in hindsight tbh

[slate hill]

that too yeah, it feels like mojang did the absolute bare minimum to legally cover their asses and called it a day

[blazing oar]

makes sense

also, just saw someone say this and legit best way I'd describe hytale: It's not a minecraft killer, but it hopefully will be a minecraft upgrader

[long summit]

I definitely wouldn't call it a minecraft killer, but it was very fun to play even in early access, imo the survival vanilla was actually a lot more fun than minecraft's

[zenith mauve]

Anyone playing with hytale code?

[vagrant pike]

no

[vagrant pike]

yeah, the modding part is very well done
one can only wish for minecraft to have that lol

the modded server scene would probably get quite bigger

and I'm not talking solely about the 100s of mods modpacks, it would be very nice for SMP servers as well by having simple, quality of life, even perfomance mods

[rain swan]

hi

[unreal venture]

@woven prairie please dont use both right and left click commands when both clicks have the same action, it triggers me 🥀

just swap to click_commands and click_requirements

[woven prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/og-gif-21212693

[blazing oar]

actually considering doing some hytale plugins

but ehhh

[proper jungle]

they are about to make the server software OS in 1-2 months

I would personally just wait

this means they are working on big refactorings

[blazing oar]

problem by doing that is that then competition is bigger

rn you have barely any plugins

perfect time to build up a community

[proper jungle]

over 250 in 48 hours bro

xD

but yeh I get u

[sullen sorrel]

didn't modders have access for like over a month now or smth

idk how it worked exactly

[sage robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138196554180722843/1328114064584478730/attachment.gif

[grand dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/can-you-hear-me-now-verizon-guy-gif-10909293

[rare meteor]

Tier 2 in somedays
God please I be alive some more days

I got a intresting role here Les go
Showcase mute 🤐

[stark rapids]

its not unique

[rare meteor]

Do you have it ?

[harsh rivet]

he's t3 if u couldn't tell

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1411402986818764803/1445841724088782938/togif.gif

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-my-new-character-gif-2777893510283028272

[rare meteor]

Yes so ...

[glass fox]

hello

[grand dirge]

hello

[subtle oracle]

goodbye

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-monkey-monkey-gaming-gif-24891666

[pulsar sun]

people thinking of doing hytale plugins while im thinking of doing a shared cdn for all my projects

[stark rapids]

Can you send me first dm

[pulsar sun]

hell nah bruh my dog is snoring

[dry cliff]

I had this crazy idea of investing $20-$30/m on Fusion Network 😭

Do y'all think I'm crazy

[light scaffold]

what

[true stirrup]

same question

[proper jungle]

^ imma translate this for you.
Yes you are

[dry cliff]

😭

Is the money too less or smth?
I said $10-20/m first but then realised it was less so I offered this much.. is that less as well?

[harsh rivet]

If you have money to throw around, give it to me instead

what possesed you to think investing in fusion network which is in break even a bright idea?

[unkempt creek]

i need producer ai invite code anyone can help me

[harsh rivet]

everything's just AI these days

[dry cliff]

im broke as hell

I was gonna ask you for money

[harsh rivet]

you are ONLY broke, I'm in generational debt

[dry cliff]

proof?

[harsh rivet]

I hunt every morning to make ends meet

[harsh rivet]

uh

[dry cliff]

that's what I thought

you lied

[harsh rivet]

I couldn't buy hytale!!!

[stark rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/send-proof-proof-lemon-argument-jerold-gif-16348553464541620627

[harsh rivet]

Cuz I'm broke

[harsh rivet]

hello nagpuri freind

[dry cliff]

hytale is like

$10 😭

[harsh rivet]

#1456082814435983412 message chests showcase?

[harsh rivet]

ye and I couldn't get it

am that broke

[dry cliff]

nah, im pretty sure they mean cheats

[stark rapids]

$9 for accepting friend requests, its a hustle.

[harsh rivet]

what a letdown

[dry cliff]

😔 😔

[harsh rivet]

you do reckon I just said I'm in generational debt above

[stark rapids]

Doesnt matter, you gotta me pay and fill your stomach.

[harsh rivet]

🥲 am going back to my LOYAL freind chaat gpt

[dry cliff]

what if chatgpt broke up with you

ever thought of that

[strange estuary]

How’s hytale looking

Haven’t checked it out yet

[dry cliff]

It's great

I have played it for a whole

4 minutes

[harsh rivet]

It won't because it's LOYAL

[harsh rivet]

have you played where winds meet? Really sick game and it's free

[dry cliff]

are you willing to pay $500

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-johan-cut-it-nahh-not-funny-gif-16881741

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[stark rapids]

No

[blazing oar]

@ebon storm

created today too

[ebon storm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/734487358136909844/1455202041449287853/DDBF8BE0-2C1D-4DA4-892A-902798F7FC8B-1.gif

[blazing oar]

W

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-ben-ugh-gif-25061556

[vagrant pike]

anyone have a Hytale server already? let me hop on that hype train, I can develop mods & plugins 😎 🫰

[naive agate]

wanna make something

[vagrant pike]

sure

but I havent even purchased the game

not sure if I can justify the 20€ price tag lol

[blazing oar]

20 bucks is nothing compared to the games coming out today

there are AAA games coming out nowadays with more bugs than hytale

lol

and bare in mind, hytale is in a very early access lol and hasn't been touched much for 4 years

[full atlas]

So out of curiosity did they go with their original plan and make all mods/plugins publicly available?

[proper jungle]

dunno abt this, but I know they are gonna b open sourcing stuff def.
Server SW is meant to be OS in like 1-2 months

which is a pretty great thing

am looking forward for their updates

[proper jungle]

I hate the fact that Adam didnt ask me first

he aint my pookie anymore

[strange estuary]

realest thing I've seen all millenium

[rich hornet]

they said its going to be shared source, not open source btw

[sage robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138196554180722843/1328114064584478730/attachment.gif

[harsh rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/ihatepeak-idontwanttoplaypeak-gif-13685174967850259261

[sage robin]

Hi Lumpus

how cracked are you at nextjs?

[harsh rivet]

hello nut smp owner retro

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-thinking-monkey-thinking-think-money-gif-9734025314392564509

[harsh rivet]

"one cannot be cracked enough" -Guillermo Rauch

[sage robin]

you fr made larkys site?

[harsh rivet]

dm

[barren pine]

ah @delicate ravine s-cam?

[harsh rivet]

yoooo

[pulsar sun]

for free? ok sure i'll work you to the bone!

sending in #1456082816507838717 for u

[vagrant pike]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099108848410828860/1112283808788660254/cat_in_pot_verysad.gif

[pulsar sun]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-cash-yawn-yawning-gif-26488237

[dry cliff]

why is the kitty locked up 😔

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/hasbulla-gif-12654501364171447161

[long summit]

Epstein files be like

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/crawford-to-griffin-dunk-basketball-nba-gif-16061160

[full atlas]

Is it still using the rootkit from riot games as the anti cheat?

[long summit]

It has no riot games code / tool

[full atlas]

Were the ties to riot games actually cut?

[long summit]

I mean yeah, riot cancelled the game, Simon bought back the game but only the build from like 4 years ago that was before they bought it

[full atlas]

Ok that’s basically what I heard. Just didn’t know where the development continued from.

[winter compass]

👀

[full atlas]

He seems to be buying a lot of things that get “cancelled” lol
Mineplex, Hytale… What’ts next?
That being said Mineplex is still Pay to play so…

[long summit]

What Simon bought Mineplex?

When?

[full atlas]

Am I not thinking of the right Simon? Some overwatch player

[long summit]

No, Simon is Hypixel's owner and original Hytale as well ofc

You're thinking Samito

[full atlas]

Ah

Yeah really haven’t been in the loop lately. Haven’t even turned on my pc for a few months lol

Before that it was a year

[pulsar sun]

real

[barren pine]

Yo? What's up

[harsh rivet]

can i get hired for fusion

🥺

[barren pine]

Ig dms are the place

[tacit nova]

Holy shit yapper where have you been

It's been ages since you last wrote I think

[vagrant pike]

why are people calling Hytale Minecraft killer bro I cant 😭 😭

[still violet]

fr

[long summit]

Early hype I guess

[stark rapids]

these ppl building discord community groups, atleast 3 ppl dmed me

[vagrant pike]

Im not a Hytale hater like the people who say its just Minecraft/Terraria clone but people gotta stop glazing it so much lol

[stark rapids]

to join their shit

[harsh rivet]

blockman go better

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-johan-cut-it-nahh-not-funny-gif-16881741

[strange estuary]

Nothing is a minecraft killer

[harsh rivet]

blockman go

[strange estuary]

just another clone

it'll bring in kids yeah but no one else lol

[harsh rivet]

i wasted so much money in that game lol

[strange estuary]

rip

[harsh rivet]

it was purely p2w

[strange estuary]

oof, sounds about right

just like minecraft but less quiet about it

xD

[harsh rivet]

imagine bedwars but you can buy bridge eggs and 1 shot swords

and also bomb launchers

[winter compass]

it wasn't during 2018 - 2019 xD

everything kinda shifted after the pandemics and a new studio taking over

[harsh rivet]

yep it was

[winter compass]

nope it wasn't

og here

i played before the runes appeared

and then quit during 2022 i think

[harsh rivet]

it was always p2w bud

[winter compass]

not really

when did u start playing

:/

[harsh rivet]

i was playing even before they had 4 maps

i remember it all

[winter compass]

I need a year 😭

[harsh rivet]

i was the alpha male of blockman go 😎

[winter compass]

I got both black n white wings sooo

[harsh rivet]

bedwars go was everything to me around that time

[harsh rivet]

trash

i had the dark green ones

https://tenor.com/view/no-maidens-gif-27260529

[winter compass]

iirc they used to cost 9999 bcubes each, idk now

[winter compass]

dunno which u r referring to

prob it's a later set or later addition

i recall golden ones which u obtained by buying like 100€ worth of virtual currency

yellow ones from an event

black n white available in the shop for 9999 virtual currencies (bcubes)

vampire ones

and idk, that's kinda it

[harsh rivet]

they did launch a event or somthn i forgot what it was exactly but it was something related to a new gamemode and a creator program, i had shi on that big youtuber named hxcube or somthn i really forgot, and so i got them

[harsh rivet]

baby numbers

[winter compass]

good boy

[sage robin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138196554180722843/1328114064584478730/attachment.gif

[harsh rivet]

i spent way over 300-400

[sage robin]

I feel mad stupid bro

[winter compass]

I assume u got golden ones then

[harsh rivet]

i can pull up my google play history

[winter compass]

at least

[sage robin]

just spent 15$ on ZelChat, just to swap right back to InteractiveChat

💀

[harsh rivet]

i had everything in the store

[winter compass]

lmfao

[winter compass]

ign?

ill reinstall it now and check what u got on rn

[harsh rivet]

LegendryTiger

[harsh rivet]

ion think that acc exists anymore ever since my gmail got comp

[winter compass]

updating rn

[harsh rivet]

or maybe name changed

[winter compass]

mhmh

sure buddy

[harsh rivet]

but i have playstore proof

[winter compass]

sounds like excuses rn

[winter compass]

send :)

[harsh rivet]

bud i was playin even before they added the lotus map

im a OG

[winter compass]

i need a date

😭

[harsh rivet]

around 2019-ish or somthn i really dont remember the exact date but around the pandemic or before

oh wait i remember

i was in 5th grade

uhhh wait

yeah so around 2018 mid

[winter compass]

mhhh

sideeye~5

[harsh rivet]

hol hol up got the records from playstore

[winter compass]

sounds quite useful

i can agree with it being very p2w these days/last few years

but u cannot spout it being p2w during the early years

even tho there were in game stores where u could buy items for virtual currency

but it simply wasn't popularized yet and not worth it

[harsh rivet]

in the first 6 months no, but as soon as they added the new maps for the first time they also added the store

[harsh rivet]

check dms shotty

[woven prairie]

Why change back?

[vagrant pike]

ChatChat masterrace

[sage robin]

InteractiveChat is more customizable

Idk

I use these chat plugins atm:

• LPC (formatting)
• ChatSentinel (auto moderation)
• InteractiveChat/DISCORDSRVADDON ([commands], and utility)

yeah ZelChat would simplify it to only 1 plugin and its more lightweight but idk I might use it in the future if IC is an issue

[woven prairie]

Hmm

I’m just glad they’re off that weird license thing

[proper jungle]

we can go to date

[sage robin]

wdym

idk about zelchat but I own another 1 of their plugins

after buying it, you have to create a ticket and get liscense key before using the plugin

and thsoe are done manually

[winter compass]

:D

[sage robin]

are we deadass

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHyRXacWjEs

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-s-patrick-patrick-star-bottle-dumb-gif-1741625486363070335

[woven prairie]

ye, i hate that

[sage robin]

don't blame you

[neat frigate]

2018?

so ur a newgen?

cuz ive been playin ts since like 2017 late 2016

[harsh rivet]

kid

[neat frigate]

im an adult

[harsh rivet]

Blockman go was lit launched in 2018 tf you mean

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-bird-gif-16835999897918525830

[neat frigate]

beta exists

[harsh rivet]

Proof?

[neat frigate]

back then blockman go wasnt on google play store

u had to get an APK 🥹

[harsh rivet]

again, proof?

[neat frigate]

bro its been like 6 years since i played the game

i cant prove shit just like u cant prove shit either lol

[harsh rivet]

i doubt those CHIENSE money hungry pigs would run a beta for a whole year

[harsh rivet]

I can?

[neat frigate]

the chinese are less money hungry than americans brtw

[neat frigate]

sure

anyways imma dip i needa fix shi

[harsh rivet]

ah yes yes surely why it's basically P2P now

[harsh rivet]

Wise run

[neat frigate]

and minecraft isnt p2p?

r you dumb?

[harsh rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/ragebait-rage-bait-lol-lmao-gif-3554026694133497645

[neat frigate]

only one ragebaiting here is you with your lack of knowledge on the field of finances 😂

what a chud 😂

absolute clown 😭

[harsh rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290396895637934111/1404937603765243914/jvm_reads_java_files.gif

[neat frigate]

also i fr gotta fix shit ask melon

hes not been doing nothin for long time >:{

and him and i both lazymaxxed 🥀

[harsh rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290396895637934111/1404937603765243914/jvm_reads_java_files.gif

[winter compass]

there was a version during 2017 (i think late 2017) to early 2018

[winter compass]

erm, u complaining a lot sir

[analog marlin]

https://unclanked.com/code/jvm-literally-reads-.java-files

[strange estuary]

question for y'all

would you pay $1.99-$2.99 for a font?

(or could you see owners/developers paying that price for a font for their resource pack)

I have a few fonts that I drew a bit ago laying around that I was thinking I could post now that my servers are gone

[vagrant pike]

personally no

but there will always be people who will

[strange estuary]

fair enough 🙏

[true stirrup]

i personally never really saw the point of just replacing the font itself, its what everyone is used to and recognizes. I do however thing that it could be cool to use the font as a attention grabber or in general for special usecases

if your fonts can fit in a situation like that, id be interested

[strange estuary]

That's fair, though some servers do just have custom fonts everywhere

It's not everyones cup of tea but I just wanna see if it's worth posting mine basically

[true stirrup]

id say just do it, can even try putting in showcase to see if people jiggy with it

[strange estuary]

true dat true dat

I just started drawing one (for fun), making a lowercase version is gonna be weird lol

[unreal venture]

i have payed much more for a papi expansion

[strange estuary]

dang.

still not done but significant progress. dunno what kind of server would use this, probably something more like minigame related

[blazing oar]

god that font

I honestly hate it

unreadable lol

[true stirrup]

it could probably be fine as a extra bold

but using it everywhere is a bit too much forsure

[strange estuary]

yeah it's just sold as a resource pack so people have the assets

IA/Oraxen have support for adding secondary fonts and what not

[strange estuary]

Really? interesting

I think it looks selectively nice

some places it's nice some places it's not

like I don't think this is too bad

but having it on every vanilla element isn't the intent lol

[blazing oar]

yeah

it realllllyyyy sucks

[strange estuary]

🤔

eh

[woven prairie]

Easily, some servers have nice ones already

[sullen sorrel]

first impression I think it's awesome
but then after reading the comments afterwards, yeah maybe it is a little too bold lol

[sullen sorrel]

this is just... unnecessary though

I think the only readability issue I have is when it's underlined

[blazing oar]

it's really just my opinion, I REALLLYYY dislike it

idk why but while looking at it, I get triggered

[sullen sorrel]

okok I think we get it now

[blazing oar]

yeah I think you do

xD

[strange estuary]

Fair enough y’all 🙏

I think my best one is my small caps overhaul

I gotta find it tho..

[trim raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSzi8Xgw58M

[stark rapids]

tf is that, he walking

[strange estuary]

almost done, just doing like symbols

underlining and bolding lowercase letters doesn't look too good but keep in mind it's not supposed to replace all of vanilla lol

few extra examples with it

[harsh rivet]

That looks p cool

[strange estuary]

yeahhh, gonna publish it when I clean things up

[harsh rivet]

great!

[strange estuary]

not sure what mode would use it, I think my other 2 are better for general servers, but it was fun to draw

🙏

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/crawford-to-griffin-dunk-basketball-nba-gif-16061160

[lyric nacelle]

.

[winter compass]

pepe_hmm

[lyric nacelle]

Cause it kept brining me to the channel unless I typed in it

Rather annoying 😛

[winter compass]

interesting take, how does that make you feel

[blazing oar]

@harsh rivet is that smt like vercel or am I stupid?

[sage robin]

nextjs

[blazing oar]

I am not asking for stack...

[harsh rivet]

yeah

[harsh rivet]

😔 he uses tailwind for backend don't you dare doubt his intellect

[blazing oar]

I am not even gonna ask what you mean by that...

[blazing oar]

Send link, just curious

I doubt I will switch from appwrite sites but yeah

[harsh rivet]

it isn't live

they just gave me a rough idea of everything and I made the landing page

[harsh rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1461661155205583073/1462066734126333992/Screenshot_20260117-182037.png?ex=696cd741&is=696b85c1&hm=afcd3c924d1f1d47a2932665d97a4cf86840cb4e761154e0286aa28253cc7b75&

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/troll-face-funny-gif-8583388341336511213

[blazing oar]

What are your prices if I may ask?

[harsh rivet]

25$/hr

[harsh rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/waste-data-megabyte-mb-niko-gif-25175470

[sage robin]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-johan-cut-it-nahh-not-funny-gif-16881741

[blazing oar]

Hmm okay