thats really stupid
#off-topic
muted fern
I wanna change papis download button to redirect to 
sage robin
modrinth is goated
proper jungle
do it
sage robin
mr cube i had a question
muted fern
spigot also likes to crash every time we post an update to papi
proper jungle
lol
muted fern
always bugs out when u publish it
sage robin
so i have a bot for my server, being PeanutCore-- rn its all 100% discord stuff nothing linked in-game other than a /status cmd which is just from my ip, I wanna add player data n etc to the bot (players can view their balances, etc)-- would It be possible with PAPI? or would I need ot use plugin APIs
tacit nova
It's sad that Spigot as a marketplace is still so prevalent and ranks good in Google. I don't like BBB so the only option left is Polymart which isn't particularily big. I had hopes for Hangar but I don't think they will be adding paid plugins
sage robin
It's sad that Spigot as a marketplace is still so prevalent and ranks good in Go...
no offence to polymart, legit only have it for nexo
muted fern
papi was on BBb
proper jungle
Poly is still bad
muted fern
just never saw traffic
proper jungle
BBB is like the only choice now
tacit nova
Polymart > BBB imho
sage robin
modrinth>bbb>mcmodels>spigot>polymart
proper jungle
Poly is still p buggy, the design is bad, UX is just non-existant
no updates are done
muted fern
modrinth allows us to actually make a small dent in our hosting costs
still lose money
but less.
tacit nova
Polymart isn't that bad tho
proper jungle
am not saying it is bad, but it aint suitable to actual users
sage robin
Polymart isn't that bad tho
proper jungle
its just not done
tacit nova
The fact that you can't put a sale up on BBB while an official one is running so you're forced to either do a 25% discount or none at all for Christmas
muted fern
so i have a bot for my server, being PeanutCore-- rn its all 100% discord stuff ...
you'd need something that interacts and exposes papi
muted fern
lol
proper jungle
o-o
blazing oar
modrinth>bbb>mcmodels>spigot>polymart
Hangar before spigot
sage robin
Hangar before spigot
I've never used hangar
proper jungle
The fact that you can't put a sale up on BBB while an official one is running so...
oh?
muted fern
hanger cant keep me logged in more than 3 seconds
tacit nova
Cause there isn't an official one running rn afaik
winter compass
100% sale :3
proper jungle
whats gonna be the main changes in aquaticcratesv4?
everything
sage robin
like?
proper jungle
Cause there isn't an official one running rn afaik
oooh thats what u mean
I see now
tacit nova
yeah
winter compass
trust
blazing oar
is it time for me to make YET another marketplace?
sage robin
simply everything <:kekrvs:932547699490832394>
the crates better sing me a lullaby
muted fern
never had any issues
just feel like im loggging in more than other sites
sage robin
add that to the TODO
winter compass
nah its all gonna run on single thread
proper jungle
there is no reason to have more threads
proper jungle
imma just have one dedicated thread
that will be used for the ticking & handling of crates
its better for overall concurrency handling
tacit nova
Also I dislike BBB for having Roblox, Discord and Garry's Mod content. I mean it's good that that stuff has place on the market as well js don't know how well that fits within the MC realm
proper jungle
and destroying the animations
winter compass
crates are not that heavy right? 
proper jungle
crates are not that heavy right? <:thonk:1205647869319839744>
they are not
proper jungle
theres almost nothing that could take the perf
sage robin
is when u mess up a config on the crates it just bricks ur entire server
proper jungle
just mass opening
muted fern
Papi Roblox addition when
sage robin
Papi Roblox addition when
ask @naive agate
winter compass
Papi Roblox addition when
we askin u
proper jungle
is when u mess up a config on the crates it just bricks ur entire server
config should be the same
sage robin
he got good roblox ball knowledge
muted fern
@honest thistle when is PlaceholderAPI going to support roblox?
blazing oar
just feel like im loggging in more than other sites
pretty sure they reset your login every 14 days or 28
honest thistleBOT
<@532800069565546496> when is PlaceholderAPI going to support roblox?
i'd say right after roblox announces their official bukkit api, mate. papi is for minecraft. pretty sure the closest you'll get is like, a custom chat tag saying 'roblox pro.' π
maybe ask their dev forums? i'm sure they'd love that feature request.
proper jungle
bruh
muted fern
dev forums π
proper jungle
now that was a stupid answer
sage robin
when papi for hytale?
proper jungle
OH YEYE
muted fern
@honest thistle do you know what Hytale is?
honest thistleBOT
<@532800069565546496> do you know what Hytale is?
yeah, i know what hytale is. pretty sure it's the game that's been 'just around the corner' since i started compiling my own server jars. almost thought it was a myth at this point.
winter compass
aquaticcrates on hytale
winter compass
yeah, i know what hytale is. pretty sure it's the game that's been 'just around ...
sage robin
larky u fr gotta get an ingame editor on acrates
sage robin
i fuckin hate them
proper jungle
Hytale is pretty crazy
sage robin
but im pre sure the ONLY reason excellentcrates is top crate plugin
is cuz of their sleek ingame editor
proper jungle
is cuz of their sleek ingame editor
yup
sage robin
i feel like cuz donutsmp used it
didnt even know that
muted fern
When you using my plugins
winter compass
it used to use it
muted fern
like Spit.
blazing oar
at this point, gonna redesign hangar and just fork it and add paid plugins support
winter compass
bro
muted fern
or FishSlapper
blazing oar
Big brain
muted fern
classics
sage robin
When you using my plugins
just so it makes u feel better I use PinataParty plugin over VoteParty π
proper jungle
imma get some devs from india
blazing oar
lets do it
nuh uh, ain't no way you getting a cut
proper jungle
nuh uh, ain't no way you getting a cut
oh cmon
muted fern
just so it makes u feel better I use PinataParty plugin over VoteParty π
idc what you use
tacit nova
Honestly the legal stuff is probably the biggest question
winter compass
muted fern
You still use papi
winter compass
hmm
muted fern
u know he depcrated that in favour of papi
winter compass
muted fern
u should download the daddy expansion
proper jungle
mwdv placeholders
muted fern
/papi ecloud download daddy
winter compass
sage robin
/papi ecloud download retromf*
muted fern
its a real expansion
sage robin
same
winter compass
wtf does it do
sage robin
freak ahh expansion
winter compass
???
sage robin
what did /daddy do
winter compass
i thought expansions only added placeholders
muted fern
alias of /papi
winter compass
alias of /papi
ah ye
proper jungle
clear whole chunks, OP people, etc.
winter compass
cause papi is like daddy in some languages
winter compass
thought there was some sort of limitation
winter compass
fair ig
proper jungle
you are free to use it as you want
muted fern
winter compass
muted fern
was cause it showed in tab to complete
and confused people
lol
show your support and add the daddy expansion today
proper jungle
add it thru event then
muted fern
not worth it
winter compass
add config option
proper jungle
winter compass
enable_daddy: true
muted fern
we added an option via expansion
winter compass
include it by default <3
tacit nova
How much is hosting costing you?
winter compass
it is a necessity for everyone
winter compass
How much is hosting costing you?
hosting what 
proper jungle
ig he means for ecloud
tacit nova
eCloud
winter compass
tbh i'd assume less than 3 digits
muted fern
a bit cause it hosts a bunch of stufff
its under 3 lol
cause cloudflare does all our cdn mostly
proper jungle
u got multiple instances of backend?
muted fern
cache is op
proper jungle
oh yea
tacit nova
cause cloudflare does all our cdn mostly
oh yeah that can be costly
proper jungle
and s3 am guessing
tacit nova
lowk just serve directly
muted fern
proper jungle
@sage robin stop working, chat w us
muted fern
thats 24 hours
sage robin
stop distracting me bro π
tacit nova
currently doing 1tb / 30 days
that is light traffic
proper jungle
lol
sage robin
i acc got SO MUCh to do on pnut
transfer just finished to pufferfish
gotta fix up all ips and ports
and sqldbs
π
winter compass
finally someone using pufferfish
muted fern
that is light traffic
its a lot for what it is
proper jungle
that is light traffic
I mean yea, tho I thought it aint used THAT much
tacit nova
It's much for what it is, but not enough to need a CDN
sage robin
well that aswell
winter compass
was on pebble
tbh pebble's solid
sage robin
im on pufferfish jar + host
sage robin
tbh pebble's solid
fuh naw
winter compass
well that aswell
dubs
muted fern
we were doing 2tb during peak
tacit nova
if you average it out that's like half a megabyte per second
winter compass
no complaints on pufferfish host on my side tho
muted fern
crazy how its free
muted fern
there was a time we weren't on cf and the poor server was getting abused so much
tacit nova
you're not paying for CF?
muted fern
correct
proper jungle
craziest sample
I literally do not hear the song in there
muted fern
not even on their open source tier i believe
tacit nova
ohh got it
muted fern
just the generic free tier
sage robin
its acc the sample wdym
proper jungle
its acc the sample wdym
oh discord just played a part that did not have it there
sage robin
oh discord just played a part that did not have it there
yee
honest thistleBOT
honest thistleBOT
sage robin
why you stuttering bro we heard you the first time
tacit nova
Can somebody take retros rights to send GIFs away pls
sage robin
hate us cuz they aint us π
tacit nova
That's exactly the point
grand dirge
πΏ
proper jungle
hi howdy how are u all
I still havent got to coding
sage robin
procrastinating now are we?
sand sundial
proper jungle
procrastinating now are we?
ye
proper jungle
yes
sage robin
such a scam
πͺ
weary sparrow
I am a passionate AI and fullstack engineer
Is there anyone who is looking for a high skilled and reliable engineer here?
solar sinew
I am a passionate AI and fullstack engineer
Is there anyone who is looking for a...
what courses did you use to learn data analysis and ML
I have existing background with programming and vector calculus and need to learn ML stuff for college
tacit nova
#1456082816507838717 message lmao...
tacit nova
I really needed that son embed now, this would've been the correct time for that
proper jungle
I really needed that son embed now, this would've been the correct time for that
huh
vagrant pike
tacit nova
https://tenor.com/view/baby-ai-130-backpack-supreme-backpack-baby-tuff-baby-meme...
doesn't hit the same I'm sorry
proper jungle
https://tenor.com/view/baby-ai-130-backpack-supreme-backpack-baby-tuff-baby-meme...
I've just played the gif for the first time
actually laughed
light scaffold
Enough of that damnable baby!!!
vagrant pike
doesn't hit the same I'm sorry
naive agate
gone
proper jungle
he's coming for the timeout as well
jagged mason
hi
finite birch
naive agate
HOLY BAN EVADING
proper jungle
lol
naive agate
https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/2008635948746080309
Ye I saw this
vagrant pike
https://fxtwitter.com/Dexerto/status/2008635948746080309
this is why we can't have sane prices of computer components
fucking hell
blazing oar
@proper jungle why not just use tagresolvers directly?
proper jungle
<@198048458412654592> why not just use tagresolvers directly?
resolvers are not dynamic, once u parse it, it is parsed. Ive wanted to avoid reduntant minimessage deserialization, which is a heavy operation
blazing oar
resolvers are not dynamic, once u parse it, it is parsed. Ive wanted to avoid re...
wrong?
proper jungle
proper jungle
ye thats my point
proper jungle
"Ive wanted to avoid reduntant minimessage deserialization, which is a heavy operation"
blazing oar
so what, now you do string replacement?
proper jungle
mhm?
I do both Component & String replacements
tho before that am checking if the placeholder value was even updated
blazing oar
wdym component replacement? using textreplacement?
blazing oar
Ive got my own methods
well can ya spare me the time to go look at the code on my phone? xD
blazing oar
https://github.com/MrLarkyy/Replace/blob/master/src/main/kotlin/gg/aquatic/repla...
did ya run benchmarks on these?
I have this benchmark that I did a few months ago for Runway, comparing using serializing, doing string replacement and then deserializing again with just using textreplacement directly.
proper jungle
we did try it and it improved performance of my menus & holos like 50 times
proper jungle
I have this benchmark that I did a few months ago for Runway, comparing using se...
oh ye
well
main point was that I was using deserialize before
now am not
blazing oar
but this is indeed very interesting... specially for me
proper jungle
tho I can still switch to replaceText
blazing oar
since Runway sometimes handles hundreds if not thousands of packets per tick.
proper jungle
it is not that huge worry
blazing oar
I wonder what hacks you'd find to optimize my processing method in runway lmao
proper jungle
@Test
fun runBenchmarks() {
val iterations = 10_000
val warmup = 2_000
// Create a complex component with multiple placeholders and nesting
val component = Component.text()
.append(Component.text("Welcome %player%, your rank is %rank% "))
.append(Component.text("and you have %coins% coins.")
.hoverEvent(Component.text("Stats for %player%: %kills% kills")))
.build()
val replacements = mapOf(
"player" to "Larkyy",
"rank" to "Admin",
"coins" to "5000",
"kills" to "150"
)
println("Starting Benchmark ($iterations iterations)...")
// 1. Warmup
repeat(warmup) {
runReplacePlaceholders(component, replacements)
runReplaceText(component, replacements)
}
// 2. Benchmark your method
val yourTime = measureNanoTime {
repeat(iterations) {
runReplacePlaceholders(component, replacements)
}
}
// 3. Benchmark native replaceText
val nativeTime = measureNanoTime {
repeat(iterations) {
runReplaceText(component, replacements)
}
}
println("---------------------------------------")
println("Replace (Your Method): ${yourTime / 1_000_000.0} ms")
println("Component#replaceText: ${nativeTime / 1_000_000.0} ms")
println("Difference: ${String.format("%.2f", nativeTime.toDouble() / yourTime)}x speedup")
println("---------------------------------------")
}
private fun runReplacePlaceholders(comp: Component, cached: Map<String, String>) {
comp.replacePlaceholders(cached)
}
private fun runReplaceText(comp: Component, cached: Map<String, String>) {
var result = comp
for ((key, value) in cached) {
result = result.replaceText(
TextReplacementConfig.builder()
.match("%$key%")
.replacement(value)
.build())
}
}
is that my method or smt?
blazing oar
I mean, yeah...
but that's assuming caching xD
which I am also planning on implementing on Runway for static placeholders.
proper jungle
thats exactly why Ive created Replace
Ive got my packet based menus & holograms
and obv Ive wanted to check states of lines & itemstacks
Replace has support for ItemStack state
it supports whole DisplayName & Lore
and is Wrapped into ItemStackItem component
blazing oar
idk if I am too motivated to move whole Runway system to Replace tbh
proper jungle
u can then call tryUpdate
blazing oar
sounds like a decent amount of work lol
proper jungle
whic returns a result if the component was updated at all
and if not, it just skips the packet
blazing oar
also, pretty sure there is a way to cache MM trees
so you'd just rlly reparse the placeholders themselves.
proper jungle
also, pretty sure there is a way to cache MM trees
I sadly havent found anything
and believe, Ive tried to do a lot of research xd
blazing oar
I remember seeing it somewhere in paper dc
but yeah, Replace rlly does sound cool, I am just not sure it's worth it to implement it (at least atm) in Runway, sounds like a lot of work
lol
pulsar sun
does anyone here know how to properly get Bedrock version? I'm getting cooked in here trying to find a way to automate getting new updates 
blazing oar
(Although due to a somewhat good/okay design from my part, only like 2-3 classes would need to be changed in reality)
blazing oar
does anyone here know how to properly get Bedrock version? I'm getting cooked in...
wdym
blazing oar
well Replace runs on Contexts
the same contexts that some Tags in MM run?
proper jungle
Contexts are like holders of cache
blazing oar
bedrock also has a version
but I mean get it from where? from a player or smt?
proper jungle
you can make per-context placeholders & such
pulsar sun
also i just noticed, I need client version not server version don't I
proper jungle
and it holds the cache of previously parsed placeholders & their values
pulsar sun
but I mean get it from where? from a player or smt?
endpoint from mojang or something
i'm doing the mc server list
proper jungle
but as ur using packets, you do not really know if the logic context was changed
pulsar sun
cause i got annoyed
proper jungle
so you would potentially need to make new context over and over ig
proper jungle
bcs in some cases incorrectly updated placeholder may cause some issues
blazing oar
endpoint from mojang or something
blazing oar
so you would potentially need to make new context over and over ig
Well atm, custom placeholders in runway are reparsed every single time they are used
proper jungle
Well atm, custom placeholders in runway are reparsed every single time they are ...
yeye am just saying you would not use full potential of Replace
basically
imagine having a Menu A & Menu B
when a Menu A is opened, it creates a new Placeholder Context, adds custom placeholders (global ones are added by default)
it fills up the cache of used placeholders & such
each context can have its own interval
for the placeholder update frequency
but when u open a Menu B, it creates completely new context
sage robin
good morning
proper jungle
gm retro
sage robin
wassup
proper jungle
but when u open a Menu B, it creates completely new context
with completely separated cache
sage robin
how r u lark
proper jungle
also each context is supposed to be per player
blazing oar
but when u open a Menu B, it creates completely new context
I see what ya mean, yeah I guess I could create a context per player session?
sage robin
its like 7AM ur time isnt it?
proper jungle
I see what ya mean, yeah I guess I could create a context per player session?
yeye tho now it depends if you really want to have the placeholder caching
sage robin
batman fr
blazing oar
I mean, I will just continue with my own caching implementation for static placeholders (which are the most common in runway anyways, I think) and I will see how performance goes
proper jungle
oo okay
sage robin
yhyh
blazing oar
I will probs add some bstats metrics to track static vs dynamic placeholders and average time for parsing stuff, etc.
proper jungle
clickhouse db?
proper jungle
I mean, I will just continue with my own caching implementation for static place...
there is an implementation for static placeholders as well
blazing oar
https://github.com/tyriis/bedrock-version-fetcher/blob/main/src/fetch-version.mj...
forgot to ping @pulsar sun just in case ya are still searching
proper jungle
and Ive wanted to add per-placeholder update frequency
proper jungle
for coreprotect
huh
blazing oar
there is an implementation for static placeholders as well
ik. but as said, feels like it would require some rewriting in runway, and I am not sure I wanna do that
proper jungle
oh its a fork, I see
sage robin
yh
proper jungle
https://github.com/EarthMC/coreprotect-clickhouse
use Prism at this point lol
sage robin
its discontinued ππ
sage robin
oh wtf nvm
blazing oar
I am probs gonna use caffeine or smt for caching
sage robin
I am probs gonna use caffeine or smt for caching
me drinking cofee now π
sage robin
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/prism.99397/
eh idk
blazing oar
https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/prism.99397/
funny how they havent been banned
sage robin
neve rrly seen it
proper jungle
I am probs gonna use caffeine or smt for caching
gosh I gotta learn more abt Caffeine at some point
blazing oar
clearly states it's a paper first plugin
proper jungle
Ive always wanted to use it, but never found the use case in my projects
blazing oar
gosh I gotta learn more abt Caffeine at some point
pretty useful, I am just gonna cache things for a certain time, if it's reused, then reset that time
proper jungle
funny how they havent been banned
you can have paper plugins on spigot
only paid plugins cannot be paper based
oh u were prob just joking
blazing oar
you can have paper plugins on spigot
since when? every paper plugin was being deleted
lol
ik of many
proper jungle
since when? every paper plugin was being deleted
no
free plugins can be paper based
only paid plugins not
blazing oar
first time I am hearing this
blazing oar
Ive always wanted to use it, but never found the use case in my projects
well rn the way I plan to have caching is mainly regarding the placeholders themselves, not text, for now. So I have direct access to all placeholders on server start, can just scan them, see if they are static or if they contain stuff like a papi placeholder, or alike. aka dynamic. then split them up into 2 lists, and yeah, caching static ones, not sure how I'd do the dynamic ones
dynamic ones is trickier because there is no proper way to avoid sync issues.
long summit
Love Caffeine
proper jungle
I mean tbh, Caffeine can be useful for Replace, ngl
blazing oar
an example being if a custom placeholder is a text for your balance and uses a papi placeholder that returns your balance, if that is cached, it will not update.
sage robin
are we talking about the sippable caffeine?
blazing oar
I mean tbh, Caffeine can be useful for Replace, ngl
yeah, I imagine so
blazing oar
are we talking about the sippable caffeine?
yeah no
long summit
are we talking about the sippable caffeine?
Caching library
sage robin
π€βοΈ
blazing oar
an example being if a custom placeholder is a text for your balance and uses a p...
this is really the "biggest" issue with runway
proper jungle
we havent used Caffeine in our projects, bcs weve used Redis for caching due to multi instancing
sage robin
cant wait to learn it
blazing oar
but tbf I am just doing premature optimizations at this point lol
sage robin
(gonna hate myself)
proper jungle
but tbf I am just doing premature optimizations at this point lol
micro-optimizations are fun tho
blazing oar
in Runway v1, I had a total of 0 people complain about runway hitting performance.
proper jungle
man Ive been making some micro-optimizations in my mass-opening and Ive been capable of opening literal billions crates at the time
it was so fun coding it
long summit
Micro-optimizations are fun, premature ones aren't
blazing oar
I am a bit more scared of v2, since it has way more complex placeholders with conditionals, etc. and that can be scarier/heavier. So I am worried about performance, but not a priority tbh
proper jungle
I am a bit more scared of v2, since it has way more complex placeholders with co...
yeeeee well
sage robin
talk english guys wtf
proper jungle
thats why my server was crashing years ago
xD
Ive had whole Quests menu done thru DMenus and PAPI placeholders
w like view conditions & such
and ive had TONS of those placeholders & conditions there
it was just freezing my main thread
blazing oar
Well, I will def. implement caching in Runway, just wouldn't expect me to do many micro optimizations if no one complains lol
it will be minimal caching for static placeholders like said before
blazing oar
what?
blazing oar
well nobody complained in v1
proper jungle
o
blazing oar
where it was quite literally just text replacement
in v2, I am skeptical about it
since placeholders are WAY more powerful now
proper jungle
I c
blazing oar
Conditionals, switches, etc.
but it's not priority
priotity right now is getting everything working so that I can release it
then benchmark it etc.
long summit
Release without it, if people complain you add caching and then you can put "improved performance" on your patch notes and feel good about it 
blazing oar
priotity right now is getting everything working so that I can release it
can't count the amount of people that already reached out to me cause Runway v1 currently only supports up to 1.21.8 xD
blazing oar
luckily netty is multi threaded
yeah, I can just tell people to up netty threads and issue fixed π
blazing oar
Release without it, if people complain you add caching and then you can put "imp...
big brain move
and technically what I was planning anyways
proper jungle
yeah, I can just tell people to up netty threads and issue fixed π
pretty much lol
tho I dont think those placeholders would get THAT heavy
blazing oar
in some parts of my code I have comments like "implement caching here whenever needed"
proper jungle
and if they would, then it aint ur issue
blazing oar
tho I dont think those placeholders would get THAT heavy
they would not
proper jungle
oh u know what could be a simple fix?
<papi:placeholder:[optional update frequency]>
blazing oar
TECHNICALLY, from some small benchmarking I did, Runway can probs handle like a few thousand parsing per tick
proper jungle
so if they would wish to limit the update frequency
they can just specify it in the tag
blazing oar
<papi:placeholder:[optional update frequency]>
well yeah.... but idk how I'd handle that internally tbh
xD
proper jungle
hmm yea it is bit iffy
bcs
you would also mostly want to cache literal MM strings, right?
short-term
or do u have plans of what you actually wanna cache?
are those just placeholders?
or literal MM parsing
blazing oar
Well for now just Tags rlly, atm it is recreating tags every time they are needed
which quite sucks
I doubt Tag creation is heavy
but still eh
proper jungle
Ive been handling a help ticket today in a dev community
blazing oar
as said, further down, gonna do some more benchmarking, and also adding bstats metrics specific for these
so that I know how servers are handling it
blazing oar
probs gonna add a graph for average parses per second or smt
that would give me quite some insight probs
proper jungle
and it was just caused bcs of a single chat parsing
it is known that MM is quite heavy
just sayin
idk if it was improved, but I do not think so
blazing oar
and he was reporting that he was getting toMM() in spark
from where is toMM?
blazing oar
it is known that MM is quite heavy
honestly, think that's quite misleading
for what it provides, it's is quite fast
proper jungle
from where is toMM?
kotlin extension
blazing oar
I assume it just deserialized it?
proper jungle
for what it provides, it's is quite fast
oh yea
but am trying to cache it as much as possible
I mean in our case we are trying to achieve having like 500 players on single instance
so obv we care about this part too
blazing oar
I mean in our case we are trying to achieve having like 500 players on single in...
why
proper jungle
ever thought about looking into MM and doing a PR to improve performance?
I dont think it can be really optimized much
blazing oar
and how
proper jungle
my methods are just specific to the replacements
blazing oar
the biggest performance hitters from my experience are never the plugins, it's the player/entity ticking
proper jungle
we have got our own implementation of crops, ores, anti xray, etc.
blazing oar
USpigot and fully custom plugins w redone vanilla features
at that point just use minestom lmao
proper jungle
we are not redoing that many stuff
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and it wouldnt b worth it learning minestom api
blazing oar
minestom api is HELLA easy tbh
blazing oar
if I can learn it, you can
proper jungle
but our APIs are paper based
blazing oar
which could have been minestom
100%
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and we do not want to make platform based apis
blazing oar
your simulator game in minestom could easily handle 1000 players
lol
not even joking
proper jungle
yea tho at this moment we got multi instancing prepared for it
so we dont care abt the farming game
and imma just fork pufferfish
blazing oar
I got 22k players in one of my minestom instances running in my own pc
lol
23k I started noticing some small lag
but rlly small tbh
minestom is extremely powerful for non smp servers
proper jungle
well again, as mentioned, we have got framework built on paper api
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and getting more devs then would be quite hard
full atlas
Fuck! 1500. Where has the time gone?
proper jungle
bcs not many know Minestom
proper jungle
Fuck! 1500. Where has the time gone?
huh
full atlas
My daily streak
proper jungle
aw
blazing oar
bcs not many know Minestom
you'd be surprised
proper jungle
the fk
proper jungle
My daily streak
u got a bot or somethin
for typing it
like how do you even do daily for 1500 days without a single skip
sage robin
Here are 5 fun facts about peanuts π₯
Peanuts arenβt actually nuts.
Theyβre legumesβrelatives of beans, lentils, and peas.
They grow underground.
After the peanut plant flowers above ground, the stem bends down and pushes the developing peanut into the soil.
Peanut butter is a space food.
Astronauts have eaten peanut products in space because theyβre calorie-dense, nutritious, and shelf-stable.
One acre can produce over a million peanuts.
A single acre of peanut plants can yield more than 1.5 million individual peanuts.
Peanuts can help soil.
Like other legumes, peanuts naturally add nitrogen back into the soil, improving farmland for future crops.
blazing oar
Minestom people always doing crazy shit
sage robin
Minestom people always doing crazy shit
roblox simulator ahh π
proper jungle
Minestom people always doing crazy shit
why not A/D for steering π
sage robin
it looks cool cant tell if its just the screen recording but sfx would make it 10x better
proper jungle
oh and imagine it w the 3rd person camera
while being in the vehicle
that would be sick
proper jungle
Here are 5 fun facts about peanuts π₯
Peanuts arenβt actually nuts.
Theyβre leg...
ok
blazing oar
why not A/D for steering π
idk xD
minestom's community makes the craziest things imo
sage robin
minestom's community makes the craziest things imo
cap
proper jungle
sage robin
hibiscusmc imo
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Ive made the steering here
sage robin
creates the most "custom/unique" things
blazing oar
?
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and I just love it
sage robin
hibiscusmc
@tacit nova wow
proper jungle
idk xD
it is cool that you can literally just listen to A/D clicking/holding
so you can make realistic steering
sage robin
its really cool server with lots of custom features
imo most known for HMCCosmetics
which is a custom cosmetic plugin from their server
blazing oar
yeah ik HMC
blazing oar
still don't think they are actually innovating in anything
sage robin
still don't think they are actually innovating in anything
that cosmetics plugin should be more than enough
blazing oar
I can count with my bare hands servers that actually innovate nowadays lol
sage robin
the fact that many servers use it now is crazy
blazing oar
99.9% are generic af
proper jungle
that cosmetics plugin should be more than enough
it is inspired
sage robin
we talking about creativity?
proper jungle
so that was not an innovation
blazing oar
HMCCosmetics was released in 2022
sage robin
ye
sage robin
wow
proper jungle
I remember seeing exact same thing a year before in minestom
tho OR was first who had it I believe
sage robin
if we are talking about real creativity
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ACrates was copied from OR too
blazing oar
I can't tell you how MANY things I see being done in minestom just for months or years late them to appear in paper
sage robin
compare it to mcci
blazing oar
it HAS to be MCCI
MCCI is one of the servers innovating yes
proper jungle
I can't tell you how MANY things I see being done in minestom just for months or...
man I love the fact that the way of player open listening was found
bcs you can make loads of stuff using it
for example imagine being in a vehicle or something
clicking E
and it would open the vehicle inv
simple and clean
proper jungle
yea
blazing oar
imagine giving servers the power of your keyboard
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that would be a game changer
blazing oar
well they kinda going backwards on that topic
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i'd actually be the #1 vendor in builtbybit
everyone before coding thinks so
sage robin
everyone before coding thinks so
nah because I really do know
blazing oar
i'd actually be the #1 vendor in builtbybit
very much doubt.
sage robin
what most servers want
blazing oar
cool
proper jungle
nah because I really do know
ye I did know too
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but u dont even know how hard it is to actually make it
even tho u have got all the knowledge
the more knowledge you got, the harder it is
blazing oar
builtbybit in specific is the stupidiest and hardest place to reach #1
proper jungle
bcs you know what could happen, what tech you should use, etc.
blazing oar
it's quite literally a p2w market
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everyone knows what generic servers want
worst part is maintaining the plugins
blazing oar
knowing how to do plugins and what all servers need is useless nowadays
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and follow all suggestions (customer needs)
blazing oar
what you deem all servers need, has already been made 5x or more
sage robin
but fr just abuse server owners lmao
just have a good looking thread and idea
most people believe paid plugin = goog
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ye well
blazing oar
that's far from the truth lol
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meanwhile take a look how many paid plugins are just dead
got a few sales
w good thread design
sage robin
meanwhile take a look how many paid plugins are just dead
truue
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also
blazing oar
you can enter BBB right now, and see a BUNCH of plugins getting 0 attention with those shiny threads, etc
proper jungle
proper jungle
the fees are extreme
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tebex fees, BBB cut, paypal fees
blazing oar
you think you have the solution for server owner's problems? you think you found the solution? Let me give you a reality check. 10 other people did too, posted a plugin in BBB and got 0 attention, hence why you don't know those 10 people exist.
blazing oar
the plugin market is extremely saturated unless you actually innovate and stand out
sage robin
you think you have the solution for server owner's problems? you think you found...
those 10 people weren't retromf π
proper jungle
you wanna get the attention, but in order to get the attention you need features, but every server wants something different
sage robin
okay all seriousness i get what u mean
blazing oar
those 10 people weren't retromf π
I forgot you have an inflated ego
sage robin
I forgot you have an inflated ego
I was making a joke bro
i know exactly what u mean
i do not have an ego
proper jungle
you end up making all features and then everyone blame u for how hard it is to configure & such
blazing oar
i do not have an ego
I used to say that too
sage robin
I used to say that too
me and you aren't the same
blazing oar
most people here have experienced my ego stage of my life lmao
sage robin
I've seen what real ego is
nah all seriousness fr i dont have an ego
i have mayn examples to why
weary obsidian
I thought I knew a plugin people would want posted it premium, got 0 sales, released a free version, less than 10 downloads...
sage robin
Im way too kind and put everyone above me which has really fked me up in the past
blazing oar
nah all seriousness fr i dont have an ego
and that is how I know you do have one.
that single sentence says it all
sage robin
oh
proper jungle
I thought I knew a plugin people would want posted it premium, got 0 sales, rele...
yeeea
tbh only last innovation that I remember in plugin community was ModelEngine
sage robin
thats a big name tho
proper jungle
it is big, bcs it was an innovation
sage robin
the only idea i have to a good plugin
blazing oar
any real person with no ego knows exactly that everyone has a ego, it's just about how big or small it is. People that say they have no ego, either don't know they have a big one, or are just lying to themselves.
sage robin
im not gonna make one
i dont wanna touch plugin development bro
ew
im just thinking rq cuz realistically itd be good
blazing oar
display entity vehicles plugin would be REALLY good
already know like 4 plugins off the top of my head that do that
proper jungle
well it has its reason why nobody did actually great vehicles plugin
sage robin
already know like 4 plugins off the top of my head that do that
which are?
sage robin
well it has its reason why nobody did actually great vehicles plugin
the only 1 is an armorstand vehicle plugin which all servers use
or Mtv
eternal apex
I'm sure bergerkiller has something like that
sage robin
who berger
blazing oar
which are?
Vehicles, MTVehicles, InfiniteVehicles and some other I forgot
sage robin
since when
tbh i havent checked w them ina while
but vehicles are only used by earth servers/rare smp servers
blazing oar
well it has its reason why nobody did actually great vehicles plugin
indeed.
Although it's something I wanna get into for fun one day
xD
sounds hella nice
complicated, but nice xD
I will probs prototype in minestom though
Honestly, good plugin ideas sometimes only come out of a need for them personally
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100%
weary obsidian
I could care less about vehicles in Minecraft. You already have boats, animals, nautilus, and happy ghast.
proper jungle
I could care less about vehicles in Minecraft. You already have boats, animals, ...
yea if I would have a server, I would not use vehicles too
blazing oar
I can give you an example of my plugin Runway, might sound biased, but I find it EXTREMELY useful and def. a game changer for customized servers. Even more with v2.
proper jungle
even tho Ive played modpacks w vehicles, Ive never used them really
sage robin
I can give you an example of my plugin Runway, might sound biased, but I find it...
im waiting for v2 lil bro
i need text shadow on nametagged holograms
blazing oar
it's such a small plugin yet so powerful lol
sage robin
fr
blazing oar
i need text shadow on nametagged holograms
ah yes, need to add that to the list
sage robin
ah yes, need to add that to the list
il buy you a coffee π
blazing oar
@strange estuary already threatened me if I didn't add bossbar support
sage robin
but fr thatd be really nice to have
blazing oar
<@579038191277834240> already threatened me if I didn't add bossbar support
oh wait, it was titles support
not bossbar
xd
sage robin
why not do all 3?
blazing oar
although gotta add that one too π
sage robin
fr
blazing oar
well, idea is for v2 to quite literally support everything that contains text in it
strange estuary
threatened
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yea xD
strange estuary
π
sage robin
hi lee
blazing oar
threatened
shhhhh let me make it dramatic
strange estuary
hi
proper jungle
strange estuary
shhhhh let me make it dramatic
I gotchu
proper jungle
shhhhh let me make it dramatic
hes a baddie, we know it
blazing oar
fr
blazing oar
lmao
proper jungle
BRUH
blazing oar
bout to add that shit RIGHT NOW
strange estuary
π
strange estuary
dw she's in good hands
proper jungle
blazing oar
bare in mind I still didn't figure out how to fix the scoreboard shit
sage robin
@blazing oar you think textshadow on scoreboard would be possible? π
strange estuary
<@310721759110496257> you think textshadow on scoreboard would be possible? π
already is
xD
sage robin
how
proper jungle
<@310721759110496257> you think textshadow on scoreboard would be possible? π
why dont u use text shadow urself using MM?
strange estuary
you use TAB?
blazing oar
but that's problem for next week cause I quite literally have an exam on saturday π
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strange estuary
yeah TAB has MM support
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it has yea
strange estuary
you can't have any legacy colors in the scoreboard at all
sage robin
oh what
strange estuary
It has to be all MM
sage robin
2mins brb
blazing oar
lee wants runway scoreboard support due to custom placeholders lol
strange estuary
well, a long time, but yeah not always
blazing oar
not due to MM
proper jungle
lee wants runway scoreboard support due to custom placeholders lol
make custom papi placeholders at this point xD
would be lighter
strange estuary
could do that but I use it in m setup
so I'd have to have a config for the placeholders too
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papi placeholders can have config
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am just saying to Afonso that he could register those as papi placeholders
to make it so it is lighter for the performance
strange estuary
the power of runway π
blazing oar
happy? @strange estuary
blazing oar
W
blazing oar
make custom papi placeholders at this point xD
also plan to add that funnily enough, although never saw the use case since I intercept packets directly anyways
proper jungle
also plan to add that funnily enough, although never saw the use case since I in...
thaaats tru
blazing oar
to make it so it is lighter for the performance
well what I said above, not sure how that would be lighter
I guess for plugins that do support papi?
proper jungle
yea in that case it would not be lighter
blazing oar
but those plugins would have their messages intercepted by Runway anyways lol
blazing oar
intercepting packets in runway funnily enough actually accidentally adds a neat feature
sage robin
that looks a LOT better damn
blazing oar
which is per player placeholders
blazing oar
so you can easily do localized custom placeholders
sage robin
so you can easily do localized custom placeholders
i saw nexo do client side placeholders before
hold up lemme find the clip
sage robin
proper jungle
i saw nexo do client side placeholders before
what client side placeholders means?
blazing oar
(that default should be one identation to the left)
proper jungle
ah
blazing oar
yeah runway has this builtin
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yeah runway has this builtin
for items?
sage robin
yeah runway has this builtin
gg
sage robin
for items?
as placeholders im pre sure
blazing oar
it works the same way nexo works basically
proper jungle
items aint that simple
blazing oar
for items?
think so, when intercepting packets, I always have the context of the player, so I can just parse papi placeholders that are either global or per player
uh I do not have a proper test server set up in my laptop
so can't test, maybe @strange estuary can
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think so, when intercepting packets, I always have the context of the player, so...
theres an issue w items while being in creative
sage robin
Runway is for players, not creative stuff
what about creative smps
blazing oar
items in creative have always been fucked up
blazing oar
depends on what exactly is the issue
proper jungle
Runway is for players, not creative stuff
huh
but
what if an admin picks it up
while being in creative
thats what I mean
blazing oar
no clue
sage robin
full atlas
like how do you even do daily for 1500 days without a single skip
Spam it
proper jungle
it gets converted to serverside change
blazing oar
I am actually curious about this
full atlas
Every time I open discord I type it
blazing oar
let me test
full atlas
Star has 1800
blazing oar
so what exactly do I do? rename an item in survival with a custom placeholder and then drop it, change to creative and see what happens?
okay funnily enough just found out items themselves are not properly working lmao
proper jungle
so what exactly do I do? rename an item in survival with a custom placeholder an...
you need some kind of caching
proper jungle
Creative player sends a packet
of creative item
which converts a packet item to serverside item
what u can essentially do
checking if player is in crea
and adding an nbt
then listen to the creative item
check if it has ur nbt
and cancel it
blazing oar
that sounds like a problem to solve another day
cause item parsing is also kinda scuffed for some reason
I renamed an item in an anvil to a placeholder, preview worked
then picked it up, it did not parse
but when I click the anvil again, it updated lol
cries
once I do open the anvil, and it updates, it works just fine in creative @proper jungle
proper jungle
huh
blazing oar
