why is bro mysterious
#off-topic
solar sinew
analog marlin
main character before the start of the main story arc
solar sinew
tvue...
twin dune
I haven't paid much attention but are you just designing for fun or are you actually involved with Paper Hanger?
blazing oar
I haven't paid much attention but are you just designing for fun or are you actu...
wdym by "involved"
twin dune
wdym by "involved"
I mean like part of the team that runs Paper's Hanger.
blazing oar
I am just someone redoing Hangar's frontend and contributing it. I am not part of the Hangar Team if that's what you are asking.
vagrant pike
lmao, ok, makes sense now
blazing oar
I mean like part of the team that runs Paper's Hanger.
Maybe one day, but that really isn't my goal lol
twin dune
lmao, ok, makes sense now
Yup... I felt bad for an author that got a 1 star from the guy so I decided to chip in and help:
solar sinew
12 yrs should not be allowed to run minecraft servers
blazing oar
I just like taking things and making them better
twin dune
blazing oar
and hangar's design felt outdated... so I am just redoing it 🙂
twin dune
12 yrs should not be allowed to run minecraft servers
I fully agree.
twin dune
and hangar's design felt outdated... so I am just redoing it 🙂
Cool stuff.
vagrant pike
Yup... I felt bad for an author that got a 1 star from the guy so I decided to c...
at least I got 2 stars, not 1 😩 🫰
honestly I would have fixed it if he wasnt so ass about it, but knowing who he is now good thing I didnt lol
blazing oar
Cool stuff.
this is a quick showcase of what I have done so far on the main page.
solar sinew
is it rude if i say it looks like modrinth
twin dune
12 yrs should not be allowed to run minecraft servers
I would also love it if SpigotMC had a system where reviews by new accounts who just disappear of the face of the earth after leaving the review, get deleted or marked. I've had too many bad reviews from people who are just incompetent and then disappear along with their server.
vagrant pike
is it rude if i say it looks like modrinth
I can see some slight inspiration from modrinth, but it definitely looks different
I mean there are some things that work well and there is no need to reinvent
vagrant pike
main character before the start of the main story arc
hes just.. different ⭐ 💫
fallow crow
I mean there are some things that work well and there is no need to reinvent
what's so great about modrinth
vagrant pike
cant find a single good reason to keep leaving and rejoining
sullen sorrel
what's so great about modrinth
its design (well, that's what's being talked about here)
vagrant pike
what's so great about modrinth
well comparing it with spigot for ex., the UI/UX is a lot better
twin dune
cant find a single good reason to keep leaving and rejoining
Have you not noticed the new account too? It's a bi-monthly affair.
vagrant pike
Have you not noticed the new account too? It's a bi-monthly affair.
ah, no, lol
crazy stuff
twin dune
It's their 10th account afaik.
sullen sorrel
cant find a single good reason to keep leaving and rejoining
I suppose maybe if you hit the 100 server limit
blazing oar
I would also love it if SpigotMC had a system where reviews by new accounts who ...
Can you actually send me a DM with all your feedback regarding reviews and suggestions? In the future, once I maybe try to implement them in Hangar, would be nice to know these
vagrant pike
I suppose maybe if you hit the 100 server limit
I cant see how one can participate in 100 servers at the same time
fallow crow
well comparing it with spigot for ex., the UI/UX is a lot better
the fact that it was made by one of your kind makes it ugly
😂
vagrant pike
what
sullen sorrel
I cant see how one can participate in 100 servers at the same time
¯_(ツ)_/¯
analog marlin
the fact that it was made by one of your kind makes it ugly
one of your kind meaning like a helpchat member
twin dune
Can you actually send me a DM with all your feedback regarding reviews and sugge...
Most of my feedback would just be about moderating reviews which I understand platforms like SpigotMC aren't really one to get involved in since it's largely subjective and creates extra work for them. I believe there might also be some legal thing similar to Youtube where by moderating such content makes them responsible for the issues caused by the resource it's self - not 100% sure though.
fallow crow
one of your kind meaning like a helpchat member
i lowkey haven't seen mondrinth in a while hold up ima check it out
blazing oar
My current idea on how I'd maybe implement reviews on Hangar is the following:
- Users can give 1-10 note
- Users are not allowed to input any text
- As such, users provide their opinions by selecting one or more tags (IE Helpful, Buggy, Not Working, etc)
It's not the perfect system but it requires basically no maintenance at all.
fallow crow
oh gosh yeah it's ugly.. looks like it was made by fruity people
vagrant pike
tell me you know nothing about ui/ux without telling me
sullen sorrel
My current idea on how I'd maybe implement reviews on Hangar is the following:
-...
you can't really moderate it though if that's the case
fallow crow
tell me you know nothing about ui/ux without telling me
tell me you're a nerd without telling me
blazing oar
is it rude if i say it looks like modrinth
Also, no, I took a decent inspiration from modrinth, specially their filters which were simply nice. But added some of my own touches
fallow crow
🤣
blazing oar
you can't really moderate it though if that's the case
Idea is to not need to moderate.
naive agate
blazing oar
Biggest issue for Paper's team regarding reviews in Hangar is maintenance/moderation requirements.
sullen sorrel
Idea is to not need to moderate.
but then how would you resolve the problems that moderation fixes?
analog marlin
elijah i am very intrigued by your taste in website design, what would you consider a good design
sullen sorrel
ex spam/false reviews
vagrant pike
My current idea on how I'd maybe implement reviews on Hangar is the following:
-...
what about allowing the author to decide whether to show/hide the comment?
the rating would be visible regardless
fallow crow
elijah i am very intrigued by your taste in website design, what would you consi...
or maybe i don't give a crap about website design cause it's a useless skill to have
analog marlin
i dont use modrinth but the site seems pretty normal and in line with other mc related websites
fallow crow
i dont use modrinth but the site seems pretty normal and in line with other mc r...
which if that's the case then it's all garbage
vagrant pike
how is website design useless skill to have lmao, blud is ragebaiting fr
fallow crow
HEHE
blazing oar
It's very hard to moderate false reviews either way lol
analog marlin
well so like i said, i am curious what you consider to be a good design
fallow crow
well so like i said, i am curious what you consider to be a good design
thanks for asking. Tesla has some nice ones as well as SpaceX
sullen sorrel
It's very hard to moderate false reviews either way lol
I mean at least there'd be the option
blazing oar
what about allowing the author to decide whether to show/hide the comment?
the r...
that's useless no? You are giving too much power to the developer. Any comment he dislikes, he just hides it lol
analog marlin
thanks for asking. Tesla has some nice ones as well as SpaceX
like spacex.com?
blazing oar
Including genuine ones.
fallow crow
like spacex.com?
you said "good design" you didn't specify websites
the whole of their prodcuts
what they stand for
who they are
it's ALL good
analog marlin
ok well let me specify website now lol
fallow crow
too late Ivan7or
sullen sorrel
yhui7DJKAS
blazing oar
I mean at least there'd be the option
Well, as said, it's a really hard and tricky thing to achieve properly. Hangar's Team/Paper do not want to invest too much resources on Hangar in terms of moderation. Which is understandable
analog marlin
dkim password leaked
vagrant pike
that's useless no? You are giving too much power to the developer. Any comment h...
I suppose so yeah.
I was just thinking how annoying on spigot where people copy paste error logs and whatever, so the author could just hide that, but yeah, they could also hide "normal" negative comments, suboptimal
at least they could keep positive comments
fallow crow
blazing oar
I suppose so yeah.
I was just thinking how annoying on spigot where people copy ...
yeah... unless I add a way where owners can hide comments, select a tag that describes them IE Spam, Fake, etc. BUT still allow users to click a button and unhide it.
analog marlin
why is she telling netflix that nothing is sunshine and rainbows
blazing oar
But even then, allowing text input from users is tricky since they can just start being racist and whatever.
Which then requires direct intervention from a moderator
vagrant pike
yeah, it's either all or nothing lol
sullen sorrel
Well, as said, it's a really hard and tricky thing to achieve properly. Hangar's...
I mean I feel like if your (your = paper) goal is to make a large plugin distribution site, then you gotta go big or go home
you can't just put in some effort and invest some resources (web/backend dev) and leave it at that, neglecting the other necessities, and hope that it becomes the next biggest thing
blazing oar
yeah... unless I add a way where owners can hide comments, select a tag that des...
I guess another solution in addition to this would be that, after hiding a comment, it automatically would report it to mods, and mods can then take action. It would somewhat streamline things IG.
fallow crow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjjXYrMK4qw y'all seen this video before
blazing oar
I mean I feel like if your (your = paper) goal is to make a large plugin distrib...
(kinda what is happening atm, atm I am probably the only person outside of mini that is actively working on Hangar)
I have said it multiple times, Hangar requires a dedicated Hangar Team.
Atm the only Hangar Team that exists is basically mini and kenny.
And well, most mods in paper that are also mods in Hangar automatically.
sullen sorrel
wait were they the ones that did the web dev
they didn't recruit more members for that?
blazing oar
It was mostly them yes
sullen sorrel
oh wow
blazing oar
Well
not fully
actually I am spreading misinformation
lmao
let me go back 2 steps
sullen sorrel
oh 💀
blazing oar
Hangar was started by Mini, but using foundations from ORE (a plugin repo for sponge), later on, Paper and Sponge kinda partnered and both were working on it, since then I think it's basically just a paper thing maintained by mini/kenny
mini is the represenative for Hangar in the Core Team
and also the head developer
vagrant pike
Another idea is to allow other users to "vote" (thumps up/down/report?) on other comments. tldr something like reddit. if it gets enough reports or thumbs down it would get "hidden". the rating wouldnt count towards the total and the comment would be hidden, but users could still click it to view it
blazing oar
Another idea is to allow other users to "vote" (thumps up/down/report?) on other...
yeah, that's something I thought about too
It's stuff that we will have to discuss later on when time comes.
sullen sorrel
Another idea is to allow other users to "vote" (thumps up/down/report?) on other...
true
vagrant pike
or just plug in chatgpt to moderate it lol
blazing oar
Atm the focus is just the redesign and QoL features (like global search that I showcased) and fixing/optimizing backend (mostly mini, but I will also start helping out in the backend soon)
blazing oar
or just plug in chatgpt to moderate it lol
openai's moderation endpoint cannot be used for these things xD
that endpoint is only to moderate prompts before sending them to openai
that's the only reason it exists.
solar sinew
or maybe i don't give a crap about website design cause it's a useless skill to ...
giving yourself the +1 is crazy work lmfao 😭
sullen sorrel
oh I didn't even see that lol
analog marlin
that endpoint is only to moderate prompts before sending them to openai
wait is this true? i always thought they were actually meant for moderating normal chats n stuff
blazing oar
wait is this true? i always thought they were actually meant for moderating norm...
yeah, I did some research a while ago and also contacted openai's support about it
vagrant pike
openai's moderation endpoint cannot be used for these things xD
I meant more like to use a trained LLM to filter spamlike/racist or whatever comments, but yeah my message didnt imply it
blazing oar
unless they changed it now, that was the only use case you were allowed.
solar sinew
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjjXYrMK4qw y'all seen this video before
this guy would kill the Minestom devs
blazing oar
I meant more like to use a trained LLM to filter spamlike/racist or whatever com...
well, sure, we could do that, but then paper would have to invest resources into training a model and also either hosting or paying services for it.
Which is not ideal for a open source non profit project
lol
sullen sorrel
I wonder how well a free one on oracle vps would work
although that most definitely wouldn't be up to Paper's standards :p
analog marlin
unless they changed it now, that was the only use case you were allowed.
reading this they make it sound like it is meant for more than just checking ai inputs/outputs
https://openai.com/index/upgrading-the-moderation-api-with-our-new-multimodal-moderation-model/
AI content moderation systems help enforce platform policies and ease the workload on human moderators, crucially sustaining the health of digital platforms
so i think it is just a normal moderation api after all, good for use on forums and whatever else
totally free as well fyi
blazing oar
reading this they make it sound like it is meant for more than just checking ai ...
Since we first launched the Moderation API in 2022, the volume and variety of content that automated moderation systems need to handle has increased, especially as more AI apps have reached massive scale in production. We hope today’s upgrades help more developers benefit from the latest research and investments in our safety systems.
and this makes it sound the opposite
analog marlin
could be both
i think that makes sense
since its just generically checking for bad content
blazing oar
well idk. Last time I contacted openai, it wasn't allowed
but that was a few months ago
or year(s)?
vagrant pike
blazing oar
either way, review system is something to look into later on
Right now I am just trying to somehow motivate Mini enough that he finished private channels 😂
sullen sorrel
private channels?
blazing oar
but I will probably have to implement that myself I'd assume
blazing oar
private channels?
private release channels
sullen sorrel
oh 🤔
blazing oar
it's hangar's take on "paid" plugins
sullen sorrel
oh
blazing oar
you can create private release channels, then via api give certain users access to that channel
then patreon or whatever handles payments.
fallow crow
go hangar yourself... HA! slaps knee
blazing oar
Essentially making hangar handle 0 payments
vagrant pike
you can create private release channels, then via api give certain users access ...
give me two days and I will implement it
blazing oar
give me two days and I will implement it
fr?
it's spring boot 💀
and hangar's code is a mess my friend
vagrant pike
you haven't seen the codebases I am currently dealing with
blazing oar
fair point
vagrant pike
its probably way worse
blazing oar
well, I mean, feel free to open a PR, mini might have started working on it already though
I'd probably speak with him first
before doing anything
vagrant pike
the codebases were written since java 5 or earlier
javaee, jakartaee
the people who wrote the code barely knew what they were doing
fallow crow
M0dii do you like raw milk
vagrant pike
granted we migrated to java 21, so now the IDE is screaming with "use this instead of that" and deprecation notices
blazing oar
I haven't gotten to make the backend run locally for me, but I haven't really put much effort into it
since for frontend I just run it using staging as backend lol
blazing oar
granted we migrated to java 21, so now the IDE is screaming with "use this inste...
refactoring incominggggg for next year xD
vagrant pike
tell that to business
they don't care if it doesn't bring any real value to them
and "it will be easier to maintain" doesn't really concern them
blazing oar
tell them it means you release features faster
which is kinda true
I'd assume they like hearing things being done faster
lol
vagrant pike
probably, but its also a slippery slope
blazing oar
yeah...
vagrant pike
if it were me I would rewrite the whole thing from scratch
some apps have no DI whatsoever
its all just static methods
and some APIs have swedish naming, which I dont fucking understand
but thats where the company is located at so, thats the reason why
blazing oar
xD
solar sinew
granted we migrated to java 21, so now the IDE is screaming with "use this inste...
this why I never wanna be a software engineer
solar sinew
I'm sure it is
😭
but like all the computational physics people I talk to are always doing cool shit
blazing oar
well yes
but I'd assume their lifespan decreases 2x as fast
while for a SE it's like.. 1.75x
xD
solar sinew
they do cool shit
blazing oar
fair point
solar sinew
Elijah liked my point so I must be wrong
fallow crow
Elijah liked my point so I must be wrong
that's the thing captain, you're always wrong
😉
solar sinew
🧐
fallow crow
ixume your real username reminded me of this video lol https://youtube.com/shorts/uD3-TTjjwCw?si=pXgfjgbvxxe2_5LR
ik it could never be you, but still the video on it's own is funny
analog marlin
what does my username remind you of
fallow crow
i just told you
analog marlin
no you didnt
analog marlin
why do you think of me when touching your butt
fallow crow
wiping*. and gee i wonder why? 💩
analog marlin
lets not stress the semantics
fallow crow
im good stressing the semantics actually 🤣 👍
gotta make sure it's super duper specific 🤓
solar sinew
ixume your real username reminded me of this video lol https://youtube.com/short...
my max bench ever was just shy of 2 plates unfortunately
I started doing boxing about a year ago and I've been enjoying that more than just weightlifting tho
went back recently just to check my strength and I'm still hitting 75lbs dumbbells for bench press and 320 lbs for 10 reps on leg press
alright for a 17yr I think
fallow crow
17yr yeah that's darn good bud. bruh i swear you 16-17yr olds genes are crazy. some 16yr old popped up in pokefind server the other day and was like owning every nerd on there with his chess stats and methods/weightlifting results
had me cracking up
i need to hit the bag sometime again too. 🦬
solar sinew
yeah this was me at my peak
16 (almost 17) yrs old here
eating disorder and everything
solar sinew
I was miserable
solar sinew
my diet was killing me
I was tracking calories for literally everything
stressed myself out for no good reason
i was 16 worrying that I didn't look the same as crazy 20yr mfs
blazing oar
yeah this was me at my peak
WTTTFFFF
BRO IS A GOD
how do you look now if I may ask?
(after stopping with diet and stuff)
fallow crow
i assume you just stopped keeping track of calories? and just did something simpler, no?
lowkey friends have told me at my peak i was like bruce lee physique lol
but i was like your age
solar sinew
how do you look now if I may ask?
this was a recent photo I took randomly with no pump, I haven't been weightlifting for about a year and haven't tracked calories for longer
solar sinew
i assume you just stopped keeping track of calories? and just did something simp...
I just switched fully to boxing
which still engages a lot of those muscles very actively
I didn't lose much strength but I got like 2 inches taller and muscles deflate a little if you don't get good pumps frequently
but it's rlly hard to like
permanently lose muscle
if you stay physically active at all it doesn't rlly go away
I just can't be bothered to care as much about that shit now 😭
but boxing is like an art form and a mind game at the same time. you're constantly analyzing your opponent, prodding them and seeing what their weaknesses and openings are. you get to come up with creative ass move combinations and it's also just very good exercise
obviously for self defense the optimal thing is always just to learn to use a weapon
so if ur only goal is practicality, it's not the #1 thing
blazing oar
this was a recent photo I took randomly with no pump, I haven't been weightlifti...
damn still rlly nice
I won't send a pic of myself cause it's rlly not good xD
I am one of those "eats 10kg of food, gains 10g tops"
and tbf I don't really do any sports nor gym
need to start running or smt...
solar sinew
I am one of those "eats 10kg of food, gains 10g tops"
its rlly Abt eating consistently
like every single day
cause let's say you burn ~2000/day
you could overeat massively 1 day by thousands of calories
if you forget to eat enough for 2 days after, all that weight is cancelled out
blazing oar
it can be rlly rewrding
I have tried gym and rlly not my thing
hence why I said running or similar
blazing oar
its rlly Abt eating consistently
I eat tons per day xD
fallow crow
solar sinew
I eat tons per day xD
unless you track your calories, it's really hard to gauge this accurately
true stirrup
yall seen this?
https://github.com/PixelGuys/Cubyz
https://youtu.be/jm_0nRQEn_o?...
As much as I wanna hate it looks really cool
I wonder if something like this will ever actually get popular
proper jungle
I am one of those "eats 10kg of food, gains 10g tops"
am one of those who eats 10kg and loses 2kgs
xD
true stirrup
Minecraft clone has custom block support before real mc
boreal escarp
yall seen this?
https://github.com/PixelGuys/Cubyz
https://youtu.be/jm_0nRQEn_o?...
the crafting system is wild
vagrant pike
the crafting system is wild
yeah lol that was also one of my takeaways
boreal escarp
I mean in a good way
vagrant pike
same
some other things I've also noticed is that this has some of the things from minecraft modded scene in the base game itself
obviously worldedit is one of those things
boreal escarp
;o
vagrant pike
one thing that I maybe don't like is not using Java, mainly because Minecraft itself is built on Java and it being a Minecraft "clone", makes it more difficult for/if Minecraft devs want to contribute to it (if they don't know zig)
though obviously I can see the reason why he chose zig instead of java.
boreal escarp
my feeling is that java is also a minus for minecraft itself
probably not the best language for game dev
kind sorrel
probably not the best language for game dev
doesn't matter that much, it's more the ecosystem that isn't super great in that regard
vagrant pike
I always wondered why are there no real open-source minecraft clones, obviously copyright might be one of the reasons
boreal escarp
what even clasifies as minecraft clone tbh?
vagrant pike
minecraft with mods is already pretty amazing, think what modders could do by having access to the minecrafts source code (no having to use mixins and what not)
vagrant pike
what even clasifies as minecraft clone tbh?
probably something as close to being minecraft without being minecraft lol, not sure tbh
boreal escarp
this one is pretty similar though, in therms of assets
because to me every voxel game feels like minecraf lol, probably because minecraft is the biggest and most "polished" of them, and also the game I played for a long time 
a few months ago I stumbled upon vintage story, a game that started as a minecraft mod
pretty cool, but too 'hardcore' for my taste
kind sorrel
care to elaborate Ywell?
the language isn't really relevant, but other languages have bigger ecosystems when it comes to game dev, just due to the history of the industry
boreal escarp
yeah that's what I meant to say 😬
vagrant pike
because to me every voxel game feels like minecraf lol, probably because minecra...
that's true yeah, I would say Minecraft itself is pretty polished in terms of UI, game textures, etc. most other clones always lack in some aspects, which makes me not want to play them lol
but yeah, I think the main reason the are no real successors is because, as I said, people want Minecraft (by being clean in terms of UI, game experience, etc), without it being Minecraft, and there haven't been any that can fit those criteria (as far as I know)
well, hopefully this one can do well, at least people are contributing lol
stiff ore
@sage robin for your infinite blocks plugin, would PDC work better instead of saving the block location on a database file (i assume)?
sage robin
<@715122840923537439> for your infinite blocks plugin, would PDC work better ins...
probabbly, but I just use a simple db file since it doesnt use much storage, since when blocks are broken- they're removed.
stiff ore
probabbly, but I just use a simple db file since it doesnt use much storage, sin...
yeah but it requires saving and checking with database, so using pdc is faster and lighter
good plugin tho, love the idea!
sage robin
Idk I'll look into it
sage robin
good plugin tho, love the idea!
Thanks, took inspo from a plugin I saw
but I felt that blocks dropping would be too op
It also makes sure gravity blocks dont drop when broken
(torches on anvils, gravel, sand, etc)
ykwim
stiff ore
but I felt that blocks dropping would be too op
basically it's a dupe xd
sage robin
yup
honestly I favor PeanutCosmetics out of all my peanut plugins since its the most coolest imo
pseudo sigil
Mmm doing suspicious activities in there.
mellow zinc
yesn't
blazing oar
Mmm doing suspicious activities in there.
If I were to guess he is adding MM/Component support
It's not v3...
Sadly
pseudo sigil
darn it
true stirrup
they are mocking us
eternal apex
https://github.com/PlaceholderAPI/PlaceholderAPI3 the long lost papi 3 (I'm never gonna finish it)
true stirrup
what wouldve papi 3 brung
eternal apex
cross platform
true stirrup
ah
eternal apex
but like scope was too big
I was making a common api for bukkit, sponge, fabric and nukkit
true stirrup
i mean is it even a thing thats been asked for?
eternal apex
can't remember tbh
there are papi clones for sponge and nukkit
so probably
would've been a lot smarter to just have platform dependent expansions instead of trying to make a platform independent api
easier to have 4 player expansions than implement an entire player api for 4 completely different platforms
woulda been really cool though if I finished it
vagrant pike
skill issue
vagrant pike
eternal apex
combination of all 3
vagrant pike
what the helly
true stirrup
would've been a lot smarter to just have platform dependent expansions instead o...
wouldve you provided the methods for all the platforms for custom expansions, or would this mean that you'd have to implement the expansion for each api?
i assume each api?
eternal apex
I mean it'd just be the same plugin 4 times basically, just pass bukkit player, sponge player, etc to the expansion depending on the platform
boreal escarp
The goal was really too big. Platforms are also very different, bukkit is not like modded, so expansions would behave differently, different arguments, maybe placeholders.
eternal apex
yeah also gotta consider that bukkit is sorta unique in its venture for backwards compatibility
other platforms don't do that
and like with sponge, a variety of its versions are used, cuz people use sponge on modpacks
a ton of modpacks being 1.12, some being 1.16, etc
so now u gotta support a bunch of different sponge versions which all have relatively different apis
boreal escarp
is it too late to revive papi3? Although I don't know much about modded
eternal apex
I mean it'd just be the same plugin 4 times basically, just pass bukkit player, ...
nah it'd be a relatively easy project if you do this
boreal escarp
like, have a very minimalistic common api, a platform where you download expansions and then each plugin/mod & expansion are independent in therms of code.
eternal apex
yeah the papi 3 that's there could do that, just delete everything but the expansion api and the platform bootstraps
boreal escarp
I guess it is almost as easy to make a fabric PAPI as it is on bukkit, without all this abstraction to support everything in one codebase
eternal apex
tbh I don't know if fabric is even needed
like I thought we were doing fabric but there's no fabric binding in the code, it might've just been sponge
oh nvm u can't install sponge on fabric
boreal escarp
i dont know how the existing papi for fabric works
eternal apex
there isn't one
boreal escarp
I mean 3rd party papi
eternal apex
ah interesting
@muted fern did you bully modrinth admins to give us /mod/placeholderapi
rich hornet
miniplaceholders is the main one I've seen that supports all platforms
boreal escarp
I think star had a similar idea once, when we discussed about components support, to actually provide placeholders though MM
true stirrup
@sage robin
#showcase message
You should probably make it so the item is a stack, so you can spam blocks faster
sage robin
<@715122840923537439>
https://discord.com/channels/164280494874165248/452279708...
thats just visual, you can spam blocks
true stirrup
I mean are you sure? Im no packets expert but i imagine if you place a block, then the client has to wait one tick atleast, i imagine before the server adds the block back to his inv, so thats atleast one tick delay waiting on the server no?
blazing oar
https://modrinth.com/plugin/miniplaceholders
This is peak, wish more used it
Rn in my plugin I added a <papi:PLACEHOLDER> tag to parse papi
But it's hella scuffed since it serializes, parses using papi and then deserializes it again
Which then outside of that is already serialized and deserialized twice
A bunch of back and forward
boreal escarp
thats what happens when there's no standards
rich hornet
Have you guys seen that there is this startup called StarCloud that Nvidia is partnering with that wants to build a data center in space
kind sorrel
waiting for the DNS problem that will require someone to be on-site
rich hornet
the founder of that startup is saying that in 10 years, nearly all new data centers will be in space. idk about that
kind sorrel
yeah no
fallow crow
blazing oar
@ebon storm sounds scammy
ebon storm
muted fern
<@161022752923320320> did you bully modrinth admins to give us /mod/placeholdera...
I did have to request it, yes
blazing oar
@ebon storm they back
fallow crow
true stirrup
the founder of that startup is saying that in 10 years, nearly all new data cent...
how would they deal with heat
magic summit
easier to have 4 player expansions than implement an entire player api for 4 com...
I think what could be useful, is to have expansion downloads per platform.
Like where PAPI can filter per platform and download the expansion it needs.
mellow bear
whats up yall
solar sinew
wip ragdoll plugin -- no clientside mods needed
main cedar
damm
vagrant pike
what the helly
kind sorrel
what the helly
it is true
true stirrup
wip ragdoll plugin -- no clientside mods needed
every time u send a vid the movement looks smoother and smoother
wooden magnet
After several month learning about how Minecraft texture pack development works. I am thinking of creating a minimalistic, minimal and clean looking gui.
Currently working on AuraSkills plugin since it has much more configuration files that can be work on. Most texture pack was not draw by myself since I only use some paid files to create my own gui but I did some changes.
Survival and SkyBlock seems popular gamemode, I'll post some of the works in #showcase soon. Wish me luck!
It's my first time tho.
sage robin
lone otter
im feeling soulless with the 0 and 1 rating just wondering why u dislike my config @scarlet forge
true stirrup
im feeling soulless with the 0 and 1 rating just wondering why u dislike my conf...
people dont really care for random out of context configs here
for example as a person whos never used CrazyEnchantments, i have 0 context of how much is even changed there, for all i could know most of that is the default config yknow
magic summit
Just found about Mojang removing Obfuscation in MC Java
https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/removing-obfuscation-in-java-edition
vagrant pike
pogers
light scaffold
blazing oar
bro authentication servers are down
azure is down
vagrant pike
gg
sage robin
bro this year gonna go down in history
feels like every day a new major thing goes down
The Great Internet Depression
lime torrent
seems to be all major microsoft things
Nationwide is most definitely not on our side right now
sage robin
Nationwide is most definitely not on our side right now
wdym
sage robin
yuh
subtle oracle
This happens every few years
I think the last time I remember was either lizard squad or lulzsec
naive agate
wow
blazing oar
oh hell nha
gotta find a plugin to disable that
they really want to destroy readability/usability with all these
first it was the profile background that are more distracting than anything
then nameplates
now this
lol
sullen sorrel
what the fuck are these prices
tbh you could probably get those with the orbs though
if you've been doing the quests
but I mean people pay for ranks on non-p2w minecraft servers so it's not like Discord's the only one doing this kind of stuff
scarlet forge
im feeling soulless with the 0 and 1 rating just wondering why u dislike my conf...
You're copying that config from BBB. even though you changed a few things, I still noticed
vagrant pike
@woven prairie
naive agate
<@142895980403097600>
banned
vagrant pike
earnest pond
tt
vagrant pike
tt
high briar
hello
plucky moat
sage robin
@plucky moat don't send messages in #showcase if it's not a showcase.
just ping the person showcasing in #off-topic
plucky moat
mb
plucky moat
<@481839480144265217> don't send messages in <#452279708856614912> if it's not a...
Anyways, how long did it actually take you to make the currency plugin?
true stirrup
for a few pixels
idk why ur complaining abt the price, shit like this is the only thing keeping discord from having 5 second calls before voice calls lol
atleast i assume so
blazing oar
It's all cause discord wants to IPO so they need to show profits lol
true stirrup
i mean even then, do u think they could keep the doors open from just nitro alone?
blazing oar
well they have survived until now but yeah, ik they cant
hell they even going into game hosting
(which imo is cool)
true stirrup
which is my point, id rather have all this than more agressive ads
blazing oar
yes
I don't mind it existing
but I do mind not being able to disable them for accessability.
luckly modded allows to hide profile decorations, etc.
true stirrup
i dont really mind it, i dont really get how a subtle gradient in the members list or whatever affects anything
the only thing that i would say is meh, are the profile decorations where theres a big popup animation
and u cant see the profile for like the first 3 seconds\
blazing oar
Quite literally affect readability
Not in every case but in some it does
Being able to change name font and profile decorations are way worse though
rich hornet
Being able to change name font and profile decorations are way worse though
you can disable that in accessibility
true stirrup
Being able to change name font and profile decorations are way worse though
where can u even change that
is that some early access feature?
blazing oar
you can disable that in accessibility
At least that. But that option isnt available for everything
blazing oar
is that some early access feature?
Font stuff was shown somewhere above, profile decorations have existed for a while
true stirrup
i saw this, but couldnt find where it was
wooden magnet
i saw this, but couldnt find where it was
On you profile setting I suppose.
The nitro only for cool noble humans , while the un-nitro humans keeping their pennies for better life.
I am unaware of getting lots of upvotes, I appreciate it very much.
naive agate
I got a font name 🙂
proper jungle
u cool
proper jungle
lol
sage robin
I got a font name 🙂
been there done that 😛
naive agate
been there done that 😛
yap yap yap
sage robin
yap yap yap
naive agate
😄
naive agate
Wym?
naive agate
yes
sage robin
w Noti bot
naive agate
yup
naive agate
ty
sage robin
fs
main cedar
ok
full atlas
yap yap yap
Yes?
sage robin
😭
fallow crow
sage robin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSwyUAED-TU
never played any modpack btw
strange estuary
bro sent that and then left 😔
main cedar
lol
analog marlin
its a good bit
naive agate
bro sent that and then left 😔
whats new
proper jungle
he always does that
naive agate
he always does that
yee sadly
naive agate
whats old
honestly these fonts should be server sided for roles
would add more incentives for boosting
strange estuary
So true
long summit
Goes away for an entire year, comes back with a banger, disappears again, repeat
trim raft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFI5WpK2sgg
He teased it last week on his Patreon. Some absolutely insane stats for rendering it. I think he said it took 13 days to render or something absurd.
inland egret
hello
long peak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFI5WpK2sgg
This is like the longest one so far, isn't it?
blazing oar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFI5WpK2sgg
holy this will be peak
still raft
main cedar
old server icons back
winter compass
spookycube is gone
muted fern
you're stuck with goldencube for a month
vagrant pike
how long is 10 years going to be celebrated
muted fern
10 years
vagrant pike
muted fern
u caught on quick
vagrant pike
this man is too smart to be here
muted fern
it will be back to normal in Jan
@normal trout Don't advertise in #showcase
It's a fine line, but just posting a link to a BBB page is not showcasing
normal trout
winter compass
you're stuck with goldencube for a month
next month are we getting xmascube?
santacube
muted fern
wait and see
torpid void
chat we are officially
Yoo
sage robin
Hi
torpid void
You remember me ? 😀
lime torrent
next month are we getting xmascube?
no we should have turkey cube this month 💯 ( @muted fern make it happen :D)
winter compass
🍽️
winter compass
no we should have turkey cube this month 💯 ( <@161022752923320320> make it happ...
sounds like dinner to me
lime torrent
xD
wooden magnet
I would like to drop the new update about GUI but I don't have any confident about how it looks.
Pretty much embarrassing changes.
sage robin
ur unfunnycube from today
wooden magnet
https://tenor.com/view/neutral-not-funny-funny-laughing-unfunny-gif-20613685
This is quite funny, idk how and where you get this kind of gif
wooden magnet
https://tenor.com/view/lebron-dunk-lebron-james-levronjame-gif-10387711986312988...
67
vagrant pike
@muted fern can I get /op for christmas?
vagrant pike
It would be nice if it also had a table format so it's easier to compare.
And how well they "perform" against VDS/VPS'es from like Hetzner or Ovh
winter compass
😭 am new to markdown :^
vagrant pike
tables are fairly easy, just look it up, though it get difficult to write when it gets big
solar sinew
virgin markdown vs Chad typst
winter compass
i thought of it as a list where beginners/newbies in the field can check and confront prices, possible pros and cons etc for their personal use :p
but alr, i'll try to table it up in future
winter compass
virgin markdown vs Chad typst
solar sinew
ever since I've started using typst I've grown 4 inches and gained 30 lbs if muscle and 2000 ng/dl of testosterone
true stirrup
also might just be me, but the main thing i would care about from a host is price and the hardware it brings, and the way you have the prices setup, i would still have to open their website and look
vagrant pike
and it would be nice to know if you are getting dedicated hardware (all, just cpu, etc) or not
true stirrup
true
true stirrup
also might just be me, but the main thing i would care about from a host is pric...
Maybe just a table for each, showing price, amount of ram, $/1gb, cpu, cpu single thread ratings...
winter compass
🙏 alr guys
true stirrup
so u can get a jist of the prices
but should u bother with all that
idk :D
as they probably change prices often too
solar sinew
Minecraft plugins need to multithread maxx
vagrant pike
how so
true stirrup
Minecraft plugins need to multithread maxx
stop ur incoherent blabbering
solar sinew
Never
winter compass
ill make a main table in the future and with CPU, prices/gb, gdpr compliant (thru privacy policy) and dedi cores, and also a table for "scalable cores" (which means the more ram, the more threads they give u in the same plan)
true stirrup
sounds good
cpu ratings too pls 🙏 , not everyone knows each gen ryzen performances by heart lol
vagrant pike
as I said, if it were me I would also add providers such as Hetzner, Ovh and maybe some other less known (for ex. we are hosting a modded server with 300 mods or something with 4-5 players for ~14€/mo VDS, which I would say is pretty cheap) to see whether those "minecraft-focused" hosters are really worth it.
though it might take quite a bit of research
winter compass
as I said, if it were me I would also add providers such as Hetzner, Ovh and may...
the list is was based on my first hand experience 🙏 used Hetzner's dedis, sure they're good in performance, but it's hard to keep em well maintained for non experienced users :p
vagrant pike
well, personally I think one shouldn't be hosting if you don't know what you're doing
true stirrup
well, personally I think one shouldn't be hosting if you don't know what you're ...
ur basically saying dont do anything unless ur well versed in it
let people learn
vagrant pike
there are other ways to learn than just jumping into it and expecting everything will be fine
true stirrup
so you expect someone who one day decides, hey i wanna host a mc server. to not even touch mc servers, learn the basics of linux, and networking and how java executables are hosted, then potentially jump into trying to deploy something like ptero, before even learning what spigot or paper is?
best way to learn is just yolo and figure it out
ur hosting a mc server for meaningless money, not building a 10 story building for 20 families
vagrant pike
to be more clear I am talking more about VPS/VDS/Dedis where you are the one in charge, not the minecraft hosting providers where they preinstall everything and you click a few buttons
true stirrup
well, personally I think one shouldn't be hosting if you don't know what you're ...
yes, so by this ur implying if ur not able to host on a linux server without a manegment panel you shouldnt do it at all.
which i find kinda delulu my guy
vagrant pike
and then you see the minecraft reddits filled with questions "how to install java on linux"
winter compass
my list was dedicated to minecraft host only :<
true stirrup
and then you see the minecraft reddits filled with questions "how to install jav...
well thats how people learn
you cant tell me you havent had a stage like that in your life
vagrant pike
I would say there's plenty of material online "how to install java on linux" if people bothered to read and learn
but they expect to be spoonfed
true stirrup
so u expect these same people that are unable/too lazy to search themselves for things like this to learn a whole semester of CS essentially just to boot up a server for their friends
solar sinew
ngl I've almost never had to ask a question in a forum ever in my entire life
vagrant pike
no, I wouldnt, I would expect them to not do it at all
solar sinew
so u expect these same people that are unable/too lazy to search themselves for ...
they probably shouldn't do it in the first place if they can't search things themselves
true stirrup
no, I wouldnt, I would expect them to not do it at all
u guys are legit monumental haters :D
i feel like things could compound
vagrant pike
to be more clear I am talking more about VPS/VDS/Dedis where you are the one in ...
.
true stirrup
why do u keep refering to that
vagrant pike
if you are incapable of reading and learning all the material online you should probably stick to preinstalled/preconfigured solutions (with online control panels) imo
true stirrup
but you also said if youre unable to do self setup servers(aka reading material etc) you shouldnt even use preinstalled solutions
solar sinew
u guys are legit monumental haters :D
I'm of the opinion that the entire existence of people whose job is "configurator" is a mistake
so
u not exactly gonna get lukewarm takes from me
true stirrup
black or white kinda guy ey
solar sinew
people too lazy to be real developers, and overall making servers worse since developers have to appeal to them
and thus worse systems being created
vagrant pike
but you also said if youre unable to do self setup servers(aka reading material ...
Im not sure where I said that but maybe I wasn't clear enough
anyways, that's just my opinion, not here to prove you wrong or prove myself right
true stirrup
people too lazy to be real developers, and overall making servers worse since de...
yea but you gotta remember what kind of a space this is
were not inside of amazon hq talking in the lounge
were in a mc server discord where most people pay to host servers for fun
solar sinew
yeah it's only a thing because Minecraft server dev isn't taken as seriously as it rlly should be at times
true stirrup
and you expect them to full on become CS graduates just to do that
vagrant pike
I'm of the opinion that the entire existence of people whose job is "configurato...
skript goated
\s
winter compass
hey hey guys, my list was kind of every user, based on the thought of a configurator who lvoes ptero panels and their ease of use
true stirrup
yeah it's only a thing because Minecraft server dev isn't taken as seriously as ...
the right people do
winter compass
I'm of the opinion that the entire existence of people whose job is "configurato...
not a job to me, more of a side hustle
true stirrup
Feels like you kinda dont wanna accept that theres levels to this
winter compass
i don't plan to be a full time configurator (unless i get paid 4 figures per month lol)
true stirrup
and your upset that youre under the same umbrella as the low level people
solar sinew
what
winter compass
idk, it was heading somewhere which wasn't as friendly
tho am just calling u guys back to ur senses for a de escalation :p
solar sinew
Feels like you kinda dont wanna accept that theres levels to this
servers which aren't hosted just "for fun" still have configurators and use things like DeluxeMenus
stuff like IA is quite reasonable because it's inherently declarative
declarative things are good to have configs for
imperative things usually are not
true stirrup
do you want every server to reinvent the wheel just because they earn money?
solar sinew
and are much better with dev APIs
solar sinew
do you want every server to reinvent the wheel just because they earn money?
not necessary, libraries exist
and some servers do see that as worthwhile in an extreme sense (Minestom)
true stirrup
Well even still, dm is a pretty decent example, a person without programming knowledge can make a basic UI for just showing info, maybe even with some simple state. But you would want every server to trade that for doing it manually in their own plugin with some inv library, and then most likely having to setup some config system to not have to recompile every color or text change?
Cause it really seems like thats your stance here
solar sinew
on the other hand, having devs offer less configuration (I'm specifically talking about plugins like DeluxeMenus, those with complex configurations) (which usually is badly designed and inflexible) might encourage people to learn plugin dev for real
solar sinew
Well even still, dm is a pretty decent example, a person without programming kno...
I think non trivial servers should do that yeah
true stirrup
I think non trivial servers should do that yeah
But why
Time is money, and youre trading this time for a solution that is better but in the end of the day the end user wont know or care
solar sinew
I'd argue a good dev api is a lot better than a config
especially with kotlin DSLs
literally better in every way
except for the recompilation aspect but you can hot reload KTS as Matt pointed out
solar sinew
I'd argue a good dev api is a lot better than a config
easier to use, allows you to create more complex things more easily and in less time
true stirrup
but were not really talking about complex things
solar sinew
I am specifically talking about complex things
solar sinew
imperative things usually are not
.
I'm talking about configs for very imperative plugins and tasks
solar sinew
not declarative
true stirrup
So your main problem is that one plugin handles multiple roles?
Dont really get what you mean by that
true stirrup
https://github.com/Melon-Oof/HostTierList/tree/table
i was enviosining one table for each host, replacing the pricing thing
winter compass
i was enviosining one table for each host, replacing the pricing thing
oh
:p
well u r getting this now
:c
and then if u want u can ctrl + f the host's name for more details
true stirrup
yea fair
zenith mauve
Any idea what processor or something has the VPS-3?
https://www.ovhcloud.com/es/vps
winter compass
Any idea what processor or something has the VPS-3?
https://www.ovhcloud.com/es/...
probably something old from the price
OVH isn't usually as cheap lol, 0.5/GB
it's prob a server cpu
Intel Core Processor (Haswell, no TSX)
zenith mauve
yeah, it's really suspicious, couldn't find any info about it
winter compass
Intel Core Processor (Haswell, no TSX)
i believe that's it
zenith mauve
winter compass
i worked with a customer of mine to host a proxy on one of OVH's 1$ vps and iirc it was that
winter compass
zenith mauve
zenith mauve
i worked with a customer of mine to host a proxy on one of OVH's 1$ vps and iirc...
i think i'll continue wth contaboo for now xD
winter compass
i think i'll continue wth contaboo for now xD
y so cheap, u r a successful plugin dev
zenith mauve
winter compass
:^
blazing oar
https://github.com/Melon-Oof/HostTierList/tree/table
how does this not have bloom xD
or shockbyte, one of the worst hosts that discord is sadly partnering up with
winter compass
how does this not have bloom xD
it's based off first hand experience
which is mine
bloom i've used for short periods tho ig not enough to fully use it
i could add it to the table tho
and shockbyte
obv reasons it wasn't there 🙏
but can add
winter compass
same, there prob were better choices
like pebble or bloom ig
they been in the market and are highly reliable
or a discord employee just googled "minecraft hosting"
😭
arctic cobalt
We did?
arctic cobalt
Also i got banned like 3 years ago
twilit arrow
we both got played by janos
twilit arrow
Also i got banned like 3 years ago
2022 right
twilit arrow
Whos janks
exposedbacon
arctic cobalt
Whos that
arctic cobalt
I dont remember shit from cc
arctic cobalt
I remember tobruk getting sieged and when we sieged meditarranean i got myself banned
Thats bout it
twilit arrow
yh
we were on eachothers asses
after exposedbacon
made us turn against eachother
he appearntly stole ur zeppelin
arctic cobalt
Lots of drama with thracians and random usernames
twilit arrow
and blamed it on me
twilit arrow
Lots of drama with thracians and random usernames
yh
remember the
imperi luciano
war
arctic cobalt
So whenever someone mentions a name that i dont clearly remember
Then i got no idea who it is
arctic cobalt
Back when i still played
twilit arrow
yeah
arctic cobalt
They didnt even exist back then
arctic cobalt
Nope
arctic cobalt
No way there was mors
arctic cobalt
did u ever play in south america
No
twilit arrow
memopvp
arctic cobalt
The best ones
arctic cobalt
No
twilit arrow
anyways the reason why we have 4 mutuals is because
arctic cobalt
No way theres more humiks
twilit arrow
Bad decision
not really
cannon is our content guy
like our entire devteam then
was just devs
we had no idea what to make tho
cannon just had ideas
designing ur own mechanics
and actually making them
is super hard
winter compass
yappers
arctic cobalt
is super hard
Nah cannon man just wanted money
arctic cobalt
Celestia didnt even release and he pinged everyone to promote his ahh maps
twilit arrow
Celestia didnt even release and he pinged everyone to promote his ahh maps
we cooking
arctic cobalt
For a year now
twilit arrow
we might release in a month
im just waiting on cannon do get his
shit on
the dev server
and make the map
we gonna have a huge ass map
its taking forever
on his pc
to render
twilit arrow
Either way townies are dead and celestia will be no different
they aint
theres just a lack of innovation
causing it to die
look at polaris
it exploded
but it died
because owner drama
and some deleted shit
- the entire server was
full of people
who just heard about
goepols
from their 1
viral
tiktok
twilit arrow
Wasnt polaris an earthpol copy..
yh
but it exploded
it got like
3x earthpols
playercount
arctic cobalt
So.. it died in 2 weeks
Pretty sure on week 1 when i played it had like 50 players
I quit it because i was building a town and well.. it was boring
twilit arrow
I quit it because i was building a town and well.. it was boring
yh
no
unique features
arctic cobalt
unique features
What unique features does celestia have planned?
twilit arrow
What unique features does celestia have planned?
custom war system
custom shields
custom armor sets
custom weapons
most advanced economy in mc history
geopol history
those are the main features
others include like
town markets
where every town has their own bazaar like thing
with sell/buy orders
arctic cobalt
So.. nothing new
Armor, weapons, shields, those we had
Custom war system, already seen some, never worked
Most advanced economy - gold eco is the only one that ever worked
fallow crow
bro was talking like this in purpur's discord too 🤦♂️
vagrant pike
@zenith mauve buh why is there anti-adblock on a portfolio page
fallow crow
@winter compass thoughts on Bloom.Host?
winter compass
<@987037470921195560> thoughts on Bloom.Host?
not the best price to performance but it is a solid hosting choice
fallow crow
yeah. thinking of sticking to pebble.. was debating going BACK to bloom
but pebble seems more romantic. and by that i mean cheaper
winter compass
lol
winter compass
but pebble seems more romantic. and by that i mean cheaper
yeah it is cheaper
winter compass
vouch to Alonso Hosting
zenith mauve
fallow crow
and his of
fallow crow
oopsie (cute burp)
naive agate
they are back
winter compass
they are back
what is back
winter compass
what you working on these days
a very cool host list https://github.com/Melon-Oof/HostTierList and uhh configuring servers :p
naive agate
a very cool host list https://github.com/Melon-Oof/HostTierList and uhh configur...
interesting
winter compass
also started html at school 🙏
winter compass
interesting
wbu
naive agate
also started html at school 🙏
nice gl
winter compass
working on Noti and CreatorToolsList
damn Noti, oh yeah, sorry for letting u down on that one 🙏
also what's creator tools list
naive agate
damn Noti, oh yeah, sorry for letting u down on that one 🙏
ye F
naive agate
also what's creator tools list
A directory for creator tools check it out its pretty dope
in my bio
naive agate
tho dope website
ty
winter compass
🫡
full atlas
The fuck is that request?
“Boyfriend for bedwars”
wooden magnet
The fuck is that request?
“Boyfriend for bedwars”
That is cringe.
trim raft
<@987037470921195560> thoughts on Bloom.Host?
I'm a solid fan of theirs. Although their refund policy is doodoo fart
I thought I had my server cancelled but my card got charged to renew it. When I sent in a ticket on literally the day the payment was due, they said they can only do 1 refund per account as per their policy.
strange estuary
The fuck is that request?
“Boyfriend for bedwars”
$10 is $10
Especially in this economy
fallow crow
cerulean olive
Hello!
analog marlin
for $39.99 in boosts you can get a vps worth $4.88
rich hornet
for $39.99 in boosts you can get a vps worth $4.88
its mainly meant for people who already buy nitro every month and since that comes with 2 free boosts, you can group together it and get a server with it as well. but the host they are using for the servers doesnt seem to be that great
sullen sorrel
for $39.99 in boosts you can get a vps worth $4.88
^ and a lot of servers already have enough boosts, so in reality it's more like $0, not $39.99, because there's no extra cost (at least for those servers)
wooden magnet
for $39.99 in boosts you can get a vps worth $4.88
With $40 , I can purchase a single medium dedicated server for website hosting.
dry cliff
web hosting 😭
wooden magnet
web hosting 😭
Yes? If you going to talk about gaming dedicated server, it will costs you over 100$
winter compass
Yes? If you going to talk about gaming dedicated server, it will costs you over ...
depending on the provider, on Hetzner u can get a ryzen 5 3600x for that price I think
naive agate
depending on the provider, on Hetzner u can get a ryzen 5 3600x for that price I...
Hetzner is amazing
winter compass
Hetzner is amazing
for someone who knows what they're doing
tho yea
best EU price to performance
naive agate
best EU price to performance
they are adding US soon for dedis
they told me this 2 years ago LMAOOO