off-topic

[magic summit]

There afaik are ways with datapacks and using the dimension stuff

Not sure how exactly

[strange estuary]

Gotcha

I wish it was easy to just make a new world without a mangement plugin xD

[magic summit]

What benefits would there even be that isn't like less resources used or smth?

[strange estuary]

Exactly that lol

Developing in a sandbox rn, trying to have as little plugins as possible

and all I'd use it for is to create a world, not manage it in anyway.

I can travel to the world via vanilla commands, so it'd literally be useless

[magic summit]

I btw found this: https://minecraft.wiki/w/Tutorial:Adding_a_new_dimension

[strange estuary]

Sickk, ty

Datapacks are crazy

Wish I knew more about them

[lime torrent]

Tbh if you’re having builders do stuff, you can do an uber simple plugin.

But rly depends on what you need from it

[strange estuary]

Builders are gonna be in a seperate build server so

the development sandbox is trying to be as minimal as possible

[lime torrent]

Ah fair

[strange estuary]

but yeah to test BW matches I need a new world

SlimeWorldManager is ight but I hate needing to use their own paper fork to use it

idk, just feels weird to me

plus paper had a vulernability lately and I don't know how SWM's fork works in terms of what paper version it uses

it was defo fast tho

[lime torrent]

I made this for just straight up void worlds/flat works. Since the way my builders need to work is just that.

https://github.com/tricrotism/BuildUtils

Basically I have them build on a build server, upload it via cmds to S3, on boot pull the worlds down.

[strange estuary]

Oh snap this is crazy handy

[lime torrent]

In the use case for me, it’s nice to have on-hand. Mainly for my builders who wanna do stuff on their personal servers. I don’t need to port the whole code base over.

[strange estuary]

Defo

Got some sick icons on here for player indicators

Star = you, user = player, monitor = robot/ai player (if that happens, gonna try 😔)

Also, being able to put heads anywhere on tab is crazy with resource packs

had no idea there was a way to do that

🙏

[lime torrent]

P cool

[magic summit]

I assume you did so by making a 1px font and then apply offsets?

[strange estuary]

I used a pack online

https://github.com/OGminso/ChatHeadFont

[magic summit]

I see

Yeah. It seems to be what I assumed

[strange estuary]

Fair enough

[trail wave]

lol what was I timeouted for bru

I just don't get what you are going on at here, I don't really appreciate that kill joy attitude of yours, I literally posted a single gif with 0 nsfw just a channel loading animation that too after 2 days and you're calling it spamming? lmao
even if I don't have anything better to do it certainly isn't your problem

I still don't get who in their right mind timeouted me and just what for? but I guess you probably reported me or something, jeez I guess the whoever moderates here is a muscle head

[twin dune]

You do just post it at the most random of times without much context for it and involvement in the on-going conversations.

First time was funny, sure but after that it is just a bit annoying. Of course, if you involved in a conversation and the context is right, you can post it.

[trail wave]

okay so let me get it straight, I post a gif, twice with a day or more gap in between and THAT is annyoing? and just for THAT I should get timeouted?

[twin dune]

I have no idea about the timeout, I'm simply providing my perspective.

[trail wave]

no offense but that just sounds like you have nothing better to do than look at the chat and report someone, for posting a gif twice? that's so childish

[trail wave]

ah ok

[long summit]

No one reported you, they just called you out, and yes it is annoying it's a gif that contributes to nothing more than take up space during a conversation

[trail wave]

no one was having a conversation when I posted the gif, and I just don't see is it even a tad least annyoing when it wasn't in middle of any conversations and didn't have any sort of nsfw but okay guess that's just me

if you're at it could you tell me why was i timeouted?

[long summit]

In that specific time sure there was no one having a conversation, but you post it all the time, anyways you may not view it as annoying but others do, it's their opinion and you saying it isn't is not going to change that
And no I don't know why you were timed out, I am not a moderator

[long summit]

Those are awesome, but keep in mind that minecraft's text rendering is garbage and it affects client performance by quite a bit
In chat like that should be fine since you can only see a few at a time, but with a few of them you can kill performance very easily

[proper jungle]

THE HELL

since when it is that laggy

Ive never encountered such lags w the title components

[violet gyro]

there are ways to make it more efficient but it is still atrocious

[long summit]

Text is very laggy, just opening f3 will bring your fps down a few
It's a lot more extreme with the heads because of how many characters there are, 10 or so heads are fine but when you get to 20 or so it's unplayable

[violet gyro]

they've allegedly improved text rendering a lot in the new snapshots but we'll have to see if it is enough

[long summit]

Too bad that they completely broke inventory guis :))

[violet gyro]

They fixed that with the new prerelease!!

https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/article/minecraft-1-21-6-pre-release-1

[long summit]

Items were clipped to the slot up to today's snapshot, but title still renders above items

[violet gyro]

oh thats fucked

why would text take priority over items, that makes no sense

[long summit]

Yup :')
Hopping that's fixed next update or 1.21.6 will have to be blocked

[strange estuary]

Ahh dang, thanks for the heads up

[violet gyro]

it is also a bit weird that they said they wont make dialogues replace menus but add 90% of the things needed to make it replace chest menus

[long summit]

You see there's no z layering implemented so the order is very jank :D

[violet gyro]

incredibly weird

especially because they didnt even want to fix this

and turns out they still havent fully

they seem happy enough in VV, hope mojang changes it though

[long summit]

Yeah, well at least they are trying to not break much
But yeah dialogs is another funny one, the way they implemented it is so weird and limited on purpose instead of making a full ui thing

[violet gyro]

The click event thingy on text finally works so that makes them a bit more useable

but that requires a ton of fuckery too with fonts

the most annoying part is no real control over the position of elements

[long summit]

Any custom ui on dialogs will be horrible because it's not centered and depending on window size it'll look really jank

Ofc people will find a way but ugh just give us a good system

[violet gyro]

i doubt they ever will if they go this far for safety in dialogues

cant image how far they would have to go to ensure similar safety in fully custom menus

i wanted to use them to replace the entity based rendering i currently do but the gui scale fuckery doesn't make it feasible at all

[trail wave]

#1367769665346207744 message is ts fr? lol

"Simple voicebot"

[pulsar sun]

request paid are becoming a joke at this point, request free isn't able to filter everything out 😩

[crimson schooner]

😭

[obtuse mountain]

Hey chat

[trail wave]

#1367769665346207744 this has to be a joke bro

[long peak]

It's always been

[trail wave]

people are like on drugs or some shi, such a bulky comission and they don't even wanna do a down payment

[blazing oar]

I still think reactions or threads should be added to #showcase

Would warn people of trolls

[magic summit]

https://bsky.app/profile/discordpreviews.com/post/3lqamtjngt22v

Discord Previews (@discordpreviews.com)

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Bluesky · May 28, 2025, 4:30 PM

I have no words for this...

[vagrant pike]

The Downfall of Discord
- prob some youtuber

[magic summit]

NTTS will go crazy about this. I can see it

[vagrant pike]

lol

[blazing oar]

Yeah

[strange estuary]

Meh it’ll be okay

Actually reading what it’s for sounds like a win

[proper jungle]

that sucks

i don't use quests and i won't use them

so nothing useful for me

[long peak]

it really feels like the R&D department is desperate to push anything lol

[full atlas]

@graceful belfry you can check out my minions plugin.
Minions and Minions-Revamped

A custom minions plugin will cost you well over $1000

[vagrant pike]

Since when a custom minion plugin is 1000

I can make it in three days

[full atlas]

Do it 😉

[vagrant pike]

don't have a reason to

[full atlas]

$1000+

[vagrant pike]

I don't see where that sum comes from

imo its not that difficult

[magic summit]

My own plugin is for sure $1000 worth!

-# And I'm insane enough to sell it for free

[vagrant pike]

its not like you are architecting and implementing whole enterprise system here

its a minecraft plugin

[magic summit]

I at one point considered offering a paid version in the same way TerraformGenerator does (Where it's just the same plugin, but you donate to the dev.)

[full atlas]

If whoever makes it sells it publicly yeah $25 lol but if its exclusive to the buyer nah $1000 is lowballing.

Like if I made my current plugin exclusive for someone... Its would be $500 base, $75+- per minion plus some additional fees/addons

[vagrant pike]

I imagine I could probably get a working prototype in a day, the rest over a few days, not sure if I would value a (at max) week worth of work at $1000 (granted if I didnt work full-time and had time to do so), but thats just me

or I could stretch it over a couple of months and sure, then it seems acceptable

[full atlas]

Its super easy to make as long as you know what you're doing...
The hard part is optimization.

Or in my case versionless support (relatively)

[vagrant pike]

well if its a single client then its a single version

[fading grove]

imagine if they ask for 1.8 💀

[full atlas]

Not necessarily.
I've had clients using multiple different versions on a network

[vagrant pike]

*usually

[full atlas]

I still support 1.8 on my minions plugins.
Minions -> 1.8.8 - 1.21.5
Minions-Revamped -> 1.21.5 - 1.8.8

[vagrant pike]

for the love of god stop supporting ancient versions 😩

[full atlas]

Side note shitty staff on MC-Market removed Minions so that has to be purchased directly but you can still purchase Minions-Revamped on spigot.

You don't have to support them. I just enjoy the versatility.

[blazing oar]

uses spigot? opinion rejected

[proper jungle]

ye I was thinking abt this price too

[proper jungle]

wait u dont think that a week of work is worth 1k$?

a week of work = 40 hours

1000 / 40 = 25

so 25$/hour

thats the starting point hourly wage for devs

ofc not in all countries

but mostly it is like so

it does not matter how u stretch the time spent on it

its still the same time spent, does not matter in which timeframe

[fading grove]

Just let people use what they want to use…

They are the ones facing any consequences or challenges

[proper jungle]

the new snapshot is low-key cool

even tho there's not much added

it kinda adds new possibilities

like the new click actions in dialogs and G keybind

curious how's it handled regarding protocol

we could have potentially bind anything we want to G if the MC protocol allows to (hope it's gonna be server side and not only client side)

no way

you can now do the player head models? 👀

1.21.6 is pretty cool update so far as it unlocks so many new possibilities

[blazing oar]

Am I saying "stop using spigot, you should be burned down, etc"? No. People can use what they want, doesn't mean people can't have opinions on it

Besides, it was a joke, but even if it wasn't, the above still applies

[strange estuary]

I need 1.21.6 so bad

paper isn't even on 1.21.5 yet 😔 idk how people update to fast lol

[wary willow]

Well, there's actually 103 paper builds for 1.21.5.

They're just marked as experimental

[strange estuary]

None stable tho

yea

I get mildly concerned for like, survival servers or SMP servers that update to unstable builds so fast lol

wayy more opportunities for things to go wrong

I could probably update my dev server tho, I should

[wary willow]

Maybe they don't use paper. They might be using forks

Or Spigot (:

[long summit]

let's not forget that as of now title renders above items, making custom menus very broken
Hoping it's fixed next pre-release

[strange estuary]

I won't be using custom menus anyway

I just want the other stuff lol

I got plans for doing some neat menu things

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1358492508157513778/1376671920812195920/beds_gg_main_menu_demo.mov?ex=683978e3&is=68382763&hm=73d22320db97970afdc4a8d3d38f5764bc40b60b52c591d9a96e98c0cc539cdd&

like this demo xD

not real atm, just a blockbench render

[true stirrup]

What is the plan on getting that functional?

[strange estuary]

I don't think I can say yet, but it's possible :D

[true stirrup]

haha fair enough

[strange estuary]

Can't wait to share what we got cookin

🙏

[true stirrup]

@real pawn Is your server meant to be down?

[unreal venture]

[strange estuary]

ya like it?? XD

[real pawn]

No? Try mc.dungeondodge.net if that IP doesn't work for you.

[true stirrup]

That works, dungeondodge.net now magically works too after i joined thru the mc one, gotta love dns configs

[proper jungle]

what is broken regarding menus?

[unreal venture]

[long summit]

Title renders above items, if you have custom item models they just won't show up

[proper jungle]

okay now

that sucks

why would they even do that

[proper jungle]

wait just custom item models?

[fading grove]

Idk man, not sure if that was really an opinion

I wouldn’t really call calling people who use a specific api as dumb as an opinion, but more just passive aggressive

[long summit]

All items

Hoping it's fixed next pre-release

[strange estuary]

I hope they fix it

[trim raft]

https://thriftytraveler.com/news/airlines/airlines-charging-solo-travelers-higher-fares/

[trail wave]

#1367769665346207744 crazy

[trail wave]

@abstract gale check dms

[proper jungle]

since when u do plugins

xd

[trail wave]

i thought they wanted a bot to work with a plugin

[grand dirge]

Hmm

I thought discord bot req stopped cuz ai could make one with ez

[twin dune]

Not sure what to think of this... bought hard drives off of Ebay with a Jan 2022 manufacturer date and it has "Designed for AI" printed on the label. AI only boomed in the second half of 2022.

[unreal venture]

lucky u, the price of hard drives has skyrocket :/

[kind sorrel]

Image detection was big before, sounds like that's what they're aiming for

[mellow egret]

Hi ^^

[twin dune]

It wasn't expensive - £107 for 10TB.

[unreal venture]

now the price is probably twice that

[twin dune]

I bought these a week ago, how could the price have doubled?

[magic summit]

https://fxtwitter.com/teamspeak/status/1927832545502113806

TeamSpeak (@teamspeak)

the enshittification begins

Quoting Dexerto (@Dexerto)
︀
Discord is introducing a digital currency called ‘Orbs’
︀︀
︀︀They can be earned by interacting with ads, and can be used to buy ‘Nitro’ subscriptions

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FxTwitter · May 28, 2025, 9:01 PM

Teamspeak celebrating Discord destroying itself is something else...

[sullen sorrel]

Why is this a bad thing

Gives discord ad revenue without forcing people to watch ads

And there isn't any real downside to those who choose not to watch them

[blazing oar]

Nothing new, teamspeak constantly makes jokes about discord and even itself

[magic summit]

Where did I ever say it's a bad thing?

[sullen sorrel]

Where did I ever say that you said it's a bad thing?

[magic summit]

"Why is this a bad thing"

[unreal venture]

watch em doing get nitro to skip ads lol

[strange estuary]

discords making a smart play

I don’t get it

😔

Instead of getting avatar decorations I can just get nitro overtime for free OPTIONALLY, seems like a win from every angle

[sullen sorrel]

Yeah that's because teamspeak was implying that it was bad

So I was wondering why it was considered so bad

But either way I wasn't accusing/attacking anyone of anything 🥲

[blazing oar]

so skript is prioritized? tf am I reading

[magic summit]

Because it's the go-to aproach of greed. See every mobile app ever

It's a despicable practice, because you will lose track of how much money you've actually spent on the currency

[mellow zinc]

mf wants a whole ass cv and cover letter just for $40

[trail wave]

hol'up am I reading this right?
#1367769665346207744 message

no way the pricing is fair

[trail wave]

lmao

[long jasper]

is this a reported bug?

[long summit]

Yes

[blazing oar]

welcome to the stupidity of the skript community lol

[naive agate]

Yikes

[pliant ice]

Bruh I won't ever write a cv and cover letter for 40$

What is this

Is this a joke

[long peak]

I hope the budget is per hour lol

But knowing #1367769665346207744 , it certainly isn't

[trail wave]

#1367769665346207744 is crazy

[strange estuary]

The #1367769665346207744 situation is crazy..

bout to start a slop channel and cover #1367769665346207744 slopdrama

😔

[fading grove]

man they love underpaying devs

[ripe blade]

https://discord.com/channels/164280494874165248/1367769666079948850 is even more crazy 💀

[trail wave]

man these requests are just so selfish to the point it will almost make someone mad

bet they won't even be ready to do a down payment even after getting someone to do the work

[ripe blade]

#1367769666079948850 message "content creators" "big names" "big plugin but not impsosible" "300 players"

all that and they want it for free

crazy

[tardy meteor]

hello!

[trail wave]

most minecraft server owners ive seen/worked with are VERY selfish ;-;

no matter if their servers peak 610 players, they still want to take advantage of you and would even do scummy things such as scamming and blackmailing, i have no idea how these guys get away with ts

[ripe blade]

why doesnt this server have a channel to post things like that honestly

if someone scams someone, the one scammed could post it so others know to avoid those people

or a ticket system to ban people from this server atleast

would be good but idk how would it be managed

[trail wave]

yeah something with proper verification of the evidence would be good

i reported @nova crow for blatantly scamming, he's still here ;-;

[ripe blade]

glad i ignored that guy then 💀

[trail wave]

xD

[ripe blade]

#1367769665346207744 message

$1 comission

https://tenor.com/view/daeth-funi-periflight-dies-from-gif-22212023

[blazing oar]

That has always existed

Lol

Just msg modmail

[ripe blade]

didnt know that existed lmao

[trail wave]

all these ridiculous prices in #1367769665346207744 but nothing for me to do 😔

[eager spoke]

hi

[drifting wadi]

hello

[twin dune]

@fallow crow What interests you in Ryzen 5 5500 and RTX 3050 specifically?

I personally recommend AMD Raedon RX 6600 second-hand.

[fallow crow]

Kinda out of budget

[twin dune]

What's your country & budget for whole PC?

[fallow crow]

Around 450 euros maybe? It's Bosnia & Herzegovina

[twin dune]

Is Ebay a thing there? 😄

[fallow crow]

No

I want to buy a built PC, not components

[twin dune]

Oh, prebuilt?

Do you want it prebuilt for ease or because you don't want to break anything?

[fallow crow]

Prebuilt for ease

[twin dune]

It's honestly a lot cheaper to build it yourself, I would say 450 budget is kinda low (atleast in the UK - I'm from the UK) for entry level gaming.

If you've got a Ryzen 5500 and RTX 3050 for under that price, it's okay - some people say the 3050 is a bad card compared to others (like the 3060) but it's perfectly fine for 1080p gaming.

[static shoal]

where dev build

for placeholderapi

[trim raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjGaS1GS9OM

[blazing oar]

extremely hard to find an actual good PC for that price

well, less hard if it weren't prebuilt

but yeah

[fallow crow]

What if I buy not prebuilt?

[blazing oar]

the components you said seem to be okay

[blazing oar]

prices are usually way cheaper that way

[twin dune]

I strongly recommend it.

So much cheaper to get the components.

[true stirrup]

Wouldnt a A770 be better in that price range?

idk how intel cards perform nowadays but on paper i think its like 3060 level

[twin dune]

I'm not familiar with Intel's cards.

[trail wave]

Mario Kart

you didn't have to spam that in every channel lil vro, take your shananigans elsewhere

[long peak]

MODS

[tacit nova]

@fading grove I did something similar but with particles a while back, really fun

[fading grove]

Yeah I made it work on text displays, maps, scoreboards, chat, and other things too

I didn't do particles because particles are just known to be very laggy

[full atlas]

Yeah I used particles to do that too. Never went anywhere with it. Just concept.

[lime torrent]

Not the Rick roll :(

[strange estuary]

Funnycube

You can’t just be weirdly on time today

😔

[barren pine]

Dang bro. Who edited this

[ripe blade]

ai slop in #1378603418045779979 is crazy

[trail wave]

which one

andesite?

damn their website really is something else

[ripe blade]

every msg seems like ai slop

[trail wave]

true

[ripe blade]

almost every*

[trail wave]

yes

[long peak]

like did they use gpt-2?

wtf is this sentence?

ai generally doesn't make typos

[trail wave]

ion man ts is crazy

#showcase message @steel reef id pay solid 30 bucks

[steel reef]

Dang what

Its 10 bucks lmao

[trail wave]

oh..

[steel reef]

Lols

[trail wave]

idk the standard for gfx

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel reef]

Thanks 🙏

[steel reef]

No you're on the right track actually.

Similar artists get paid way higher

Artists with similar skills

[trail wave]

oh

how much would something like, lets say a profile picture would cost?

[steel reef]

Depends on the artwork.

Is it like an mc skin render style? Or pixel art? Or SMTH like mine?

[long jasper]

is there any good custom achievements plugin that integrates with minecraft achievements menu?

[trail wave]

Pixel art ig

#1378603419387953233 finnally something reasonable

[unreal venture]

not at all rly 💀

[trail wave]

oh yeah nvm

[boreal escarp]

@steel reef that darker shade for the dent/scar is much better than before. Cool!

[trim raft]

apparantly mineplex is back

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZkcVQ7zYbk

[long peak]

when mineplex core v2 leak?

[trim raft]

bro

whens the next Mineplex Leak server

😭

where is xTurtle when you need him

or whatever the fuck his name was

[naive agate]

Is it finally back

[full atlas]

I think they just had their last closed (Paid) beta. Public release should be next.

[naive agate]

o nice @ me when it drops

in like 2 months maybe

lol

[full atlas]

Someone said it might be a late summer but idk.

[steel reef]

Thanks

@plucky thistle @raw iron @gray gust could you guys tell why you didn't like the icon?

Ngl i would like some feedback

[plucky thistle]

I must have pressed the wrong one

[naive agate]

https://fxtwitter.com/NoContextCrap/status/1929187681164038603 this is sick

No Context Shitposting (@NoContextCrap)

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FxTwitter · Jun 1, 2025, 2:46 PM

[twin dune]

give me it

[blazing oar]

yeah they essentially wanna become roblox of minecraft

[trail wave]

#1378603419387953233 message is this fair?

[blazing oar]

def not

[slow brook]

.

[zenith mauve]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYtKRHpy_tQ

[trail wave]

#1378603419387953233 message tell me this is JUST NOT TRUE

[naive agate]

Hey @coral jetty no self promo in #showcase read our rules

[coral jetty]

Oh ok, my bad. It's kinda showcase of my work.

[naive agate]

Try just showcasing images and not any checkout links

[coral jetty]

Alright 👍

[leaden flare]

Hello, I will appreciate your feedback on #showcase message

[true stirrup]

Ppl just hating on AI

[kind sorrel]

There is just 0 effort there

[proper jungle]

yea

its just ported to discord without much effort, there's nothing special about it

[trail wave]

ok

[blazing oar]

As said above, there is 0 effort on doing that. And everyone is sarurated of AI

[trail wave]

chatbot?

eh

first of all there are like ATLEAST 50 of those already, also ion really see the difference between just chatgpt-ing whatever you will be asking it.

[leaden flare]

have you seen the code? its like 3000 lines of code ive been working on this for 3 months like what do you mean???

[trail wave]

bro

if you had to write 3000 lines of code

for this, you are stupid, there is 0 use case of this

[grand dirge]

hmm

ai chatbots are just too saturated

[trail wave]

and there are way too many of those already present

[leaden flare]

https://i.postimg.cc/zD62bQr4/image.png

[trail wave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1348930877421523074/1379469601376829570/image.png?ex=68405aae&is=683f092e&hm=e871bcc33661b0cf44702a4d8d6b53f82185f94158e0a2791b2119bf7a559b1d&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=825&height=495

[trail wave]

very cool but its just a stupid idea, ever since chatgpt came into place

[trail wave]

it even gives a much more refined answer with examples and alot more explaintation

[leaden flare]

well okay, maybe you can just ask everything from chatgpt, but this doesn't do just that, it lookups the entire wikipedia and the minecraft wiki and text databases to answer questions, there's stuff that ChatGPT doesn't know

[kind sorrel]

ChatGPT has integrated web search too?

[leaden flare]

and this is not a search Bot its just happen to be one of the features that ive added that happen to be related to minecraft so i decided to share

[trail wave]

sorry to disappoint but..

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1348930877421523074/1379470632970092687/image.png?ex=68405ba4&is=683f0a24&hm=c44d881e9bd5f4fe7e389bffe7d612baff1dac7a7226fbd516e887dbe24cddd4&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1104&height=771

[trail wave]

yeah, well im not criticizing the entire bot, just the part you showcased.

[leaden flare]

It's like you're saying things like Open-WebUI are stupid because ChatGPT exists
ChatGPT is payed, you can not customize it, you can't just code new features for it

[trail wave]

first, you can customize it i literally showed you in the screenshot

secondly, you said that chatgpt doesnt know everything, even tho it does have web search

and again im not talking shi about the entire the bot, just this chatbot part

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden flare]

that's not the level of customization that you can have when you can literally edit the code

[trail wave]

🙏 man give me a single question that the chatbot would answer and chatgpt wouldnt

[leaden flare]

i can make the bot turn on my TV if i asked it

[trail wave]

again, i didnt criticize the entire bot, just the chatbot part

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden flare]

actually, no, you're calling me stupid that's the problem ....

if you have hate on the Bot its fine
you're hating on me now :|

[trail wave]

sorry, i meant stupid for coming up with that idea, didnt mean it overall

[trail wave]

i aint hating on anyone 😔

[vagrant pike]

AI rat race be making everyone hate each other for no reason

[trail wave]

https://tenor.com/view/good-day-bonjour-have-a-nice-day-hello-coffee-gif-5705350447386933411

i have permissions to share gifs but not upload images what 😭

[vagrant pike]

I mean, sure chatgpt does it too and I am also tired of all the copies of all the AI assistants and chat bots and what not, but dude just made a twist of it with a discord integration that can be (I suppose) quite easily fed some, let's say, server information and your users can use it directly in discord

[vagrant pike]

it's easier and more intuitive than making the user copy your server wikis link and pasting it in cgpt

[trail wave]

there are atleast 50 of those out there, and some services that lets you do alot of customization with the chatbots as well and deploy them very easily

[vagrant pike]

for example:
User1 asks question - "how do i get money on the server" on discord

You can just do !ask "<...>" (idk the original cmd) and answer immediately

[leaden flare]

thank you! that's the point, you can feed it everything and people can ask it questions based on that, it can mention people, link people to different channels, it goes as far as seeing the user's role colors!
this is integrating the same technology as ChatGPT into discord and specializing in the stuff that's important for your community

[vagrant pike]

well, he wanted to make it himself, possibly learn from it and just share it

no need to bash the man

[trail wave]

he asked for feedback

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vagrant pike]

feedback is not saying "this already exists"

[grand dirge]

great bot 👍

can't overlook ur time spent

perhaps seeing all features would make the feedback more detailed

[vagrant pike]

I mean, personally, if it ticks all the boxes that I need - I would use it
if it doesn't fit me doesn't mean it won't someone else.
sometimes "more" features does not necessarily mean "better"

[grand dirge]

depends on what someone needs

[vagrant pike]

but that's just my opinion

[leaden flare]

nobody wants to read about the features it has for half an hour though...

I did send a link, that shows everything

but I guess no one wants to click on the links

[ripe blade]

#showcase message i didnt get a credit for my commission 😔

[grand dirge]

i think saying 0 efforts is too disrespectful lol

[vagrant pike]

support your fellow devs, we won't be here anymore when AI replaces us

[grand dirge]

yeh

[trail wave]

this already exists, and you can do it with a fraction of the effort, p sure i also did tell him all was great but the use case of this is 0, also im just criticing on the part that he showcased not the entire bot

[trail wave]

the use case may be zero of the chatbot but the effort isnt yeah

[trail wave]

couldnt you just showcase it yourself since you made it?

[ripe blade]

yeah i can

asked them to just put "made by @ripe blade" there tho (after i saw they posted it)

[trail wave]

oh

rude of them then

[leaden flare]

criticizing isn't saying "it's useless" "zero effort" and calling me stupid for writing 3170 lines of code though

[blazing oar]

AND it's python, another reason for hate

[leaden flare]

what's wrong with python?

[trail wave]

everything

[trail wave]

well, if you want feedback then theres that, also i didnt say zero effort did i? and yes writing 3170 lines of code that too in python for a chatbot is very much stupid

[blazing oar]

It's not stupid lol, it's just probably badly coded lol

[leaden flare]

should i go write it rust?? i can do that too
or wait... this is too much effort I don't have to.... cause I can do it with a fraction of the effort

[blazing oar]

Point is not doing something that takes 0 effort, point is showcasing it like it's something of extreme effort lol

[trail wave]

^^

[blazing oar]

Everyone does 0 effort things

And should actually

But no one is showcasing those things

[trail wave]

^^

[blazing oar]

Your post was hated because anyone can do it fairly easily nowadays, it had nothing unique to it either

[leaden flare]

point is people hate AI

[trail wave]

workik 🙏 💔

[blazing oar]

Plus, everyone is sick of seeing AI everywhere

[blazing oar]

If people hated AI, they wouldn't use it

Lol

[trail wave]

i use chatgpt to write mock data 🤡

[blazing oar]

People hate other people showcasing a program using an already well known and existing library that does all the hard work for you lol

What exactly is unique or complex about your post?

[leaden flare]

I have written this code over the span of months! why do poeple keep saying it's easy to make such thing?
its open source, you can run it for yourself and add it to your own discord

[trail wave]

you only showcased the chatbot part man, and everyone is only crticizing on that feature

[leaden flare]

I don't think anyone actually looked at the code and you're just calling it effortless

[trail wave]

not effortless but its a wasted effort on something that is just so damn easy and common now

[blazing oar]

We are working with the information you provided. And everyone is saying it is easy because it can easily be done by using tools that already exist. If you decide to go the hard route, then cool for you, but that does not make it unique in any way.

[trail wave]

^

[leaden flare]

it uses OpenAI api and some media convertion libraries, and discord Bot API thats it
I have made my own caching system, database storage, client...

[blazing oar]

A dozen of chatbots with discord and minecraft integration have been shown in #showcase already lol

[blazing oar]

So, you didn't even code your own AI, so what is unique about it lol, this is all easy stuff previously seen

[trail wave]

you can write 5000 lines of codes just to print hello world, it doesnt not make it unique tho.

[strange estuary]

To be honest getting people to delve deeper into something is hard

Especially if they don’t like what they see at first

It’s like selling a product

Why should I buy it if I don’t like the first thing I see

First impressions are everything

[leaden flare]

I have provided the link to further details, you're clearly not wotrking with that and just blindly hating on it

[strange estuary]

Hate is inevitable

[blazing oar]

Problem is that the first thing everyone saw was just another chatbot in discord lol, which we have seen several of

[blazing oar]

Read my messages again, just because you took 3000 lines to code this does not automatically make you a "god" lol

This is simple stuff that could be done in way less lines nowadays with the huge amount of tools we have

And it still doesn't remove the fact it's nothing new nor unique

You yourself said it, you use openai...

Nothing new

[trail wave]

😔

[leaden flare]

i garantee you, this has a lot of features that are new, and the code is very compact actually, it does a TON of stuff, don't judge a book by its cover

[blazing oar]

You posted it in #showcase publicly, you have to learn to deal with criticism. That being that people are sick of seeing the same things again and again

[blazing oar]

I am judging it by what YOU decided to show us.

And I have yet to learn what is unique about it.

[strange estuary]

In the future, showcase those unique things first :)

[blazing oar]

Not diminishing your work, good job, but there is a very clear reason why people disliked it.

[leaden flare]

criticism is not the same as hating on me and on what i specialize at

[strange estuary]

Unfortunately it is

It may not be constructive

But it’s up to you to make it constructive

[trail wave]

i dont think anyone is hating on you tho

[blazing oar]

See, that's an example of places where you should avoid saying certain things like "you are specialized in AI"... you used openai... there is no specialization there.

[leaden flare]

You don't know me

I'm an Ai researcher, I just simply can't run the proprietary AI on my machine, so I have to use the API

[trail wave]

wait what

[leaden flare]

And I have 6 years on experience in python, which people in this very chat also said is "another reason for hate"

What is wrong with you

I'm speechless

[trail wave]

how are you a AI researcher.. what, sorry if im being rude but im clueless here

[twin dune]

Think of what you posted as a piece of marketing.

Similar to what @strange estuary said, everyone will look at the first thing and decide of off that. If they are interested by the first thing they see/think, they will continue to read more into it.

It's the same reason the first 6 seconds and thumbnail of any YouTube video matter.... and it's the same reason people have jobs in marketing.

Had you posted your showcase 1.5-2 years ago, people would be a lot more interested however now-a-days people are sick of AI especially with all the fear mongering.

[trim raft]

https://github.com/GeyserMC/Hydraulic

👀

@twin dune

[twin dune]

As for feedback, what you've showcased in the screenshot- it does just appear to be any old AI wrapper from an end-user perspective.

There may be more too it, sure, but I haven't looked at the code nor have you showcased anything in screenshots that differentiates to what I've see before via say ChatGPT's web ui.

[twin dune]

That's insane.

[trail wave]

cwazy

[leaden flare]

I agree
I guess I should've explained more

[blazing oar]

So, you are 19 years old, and an AI researcher? Where is your degree? I assume this is self titled lol

[leaden flare]

The AI model is basically only accessible through the API, so I can't really do it any other way, besides I use OpenAI API. Because then everyone can just provide their own endpoints, and imagine if I didn't do that, people would need to run my API on their machine, that's way less convenient, and based on all the things I've heard here it's just " when it already exists why would you code it again " so I don't know why you are so mad about me using an API

[blazing oar]

No one is mad you use an API, the problem is you using it and showcasing it like it is an holy new invention or something

[leaden flare]

I've made my own contributions to the AI research, I don't have to prove things

[blazing oar]

Cool, so self entitled AI Researcher

Got it

[trail wave]

afonso the discussion is pointless, this guy just doesnt want to understand

[leaden flare]

Literally name any AI tech I know how that works, that's why I call myself that

And I've coded some AI training algorithms, like image generation. Text generation and sound generation

[blazing oar]

Lol, name any planet in our solar system, I can name it

Yet I am not an astronomer

[trail wave]

mars

[blazing oar]

It's called Mars, red planet

See, I know it

[leaden flare]

Do you even know how chatgpt works? I've seen the code, I've made several modifications to it

[blazing oar]

Yes

[leaden flare]

I've read the papers

[blazing oar]

Same

I have had lectures about LLMs too

And talked with experts in the field

And contributed to some stuff

Does that make me an AI Researcher? No

[leaden flare]

That's called "research"

Yeah

I don't clam to have a dgree

I do research AI

[ripe blade]

Ai researcher =/= learning about ai

[trail wave]

🙏 that is not how that works

[blazing oar]

Just because you do research on your own does not give you the title of AI Researcher, that devalues REAL AI Researchers

People that have studied for years about it to be able to be called that.

And earned that title.

You didn't earn it, you are proclaiming it yourself

[leaden flare]

I've been doing this before chatgpt don't think I just called myself AI researcher to get credit for it

[blazing oar]

(Psychologically, that is cause humans like to feel important)

[twin dune]

So why did you use ChatGPT over making your own if you're that experienced?

[blazing oar]

Cool, you still didn't earn that title, you are disrespecting people that actually earned it by calling yourself that

[leaden flare]

I don't have a super computer sorry

Chatgpt is trained on 24 thousand GPUS

[trail wave]

peak brainrot

[blazing oar]

Around 25k A100s actually, over the span of 90ish days (gpt4)

Get your facts straight mister AI Researcher

[leaden flare]

Yeah

Sorry I'm saying this off memory

[blazing oar]

Same

Since I knew it and you didn't, and you are an AI Researcher, does that mean I am an AI Researcher too? Pog

[leaden flare]

Still the point isn't the number, it's that it's a lot

[trail wave]

pog-ing in the big 2025

[blazing oar]

Fr

But felt right

[leaden flare]

That one thing, no, doesn't make you AI researcher

[blazing oar]

I obviously knew more than you apparently

[leaden flare]

The point isn't for me to memorize numbers

[subtle oracle]

Settle down children

[leaden flare]

To be called AI researcher

[blazing oar]

You are just a reader, reading AI studies and papers done by ACTUAL AI Researchers, that does not make you one.

[trail wave]

afonso there is no point in arguing with him, just go do some chores or eat something, ive been watchin the chat for a while, he just doesnt WANT to hear or understand anything

im going to go contribute to that underwater helicopter

[blazing oar]

Feels wrong to let people give themselves those titles without earning them

[subtle oracle]

Titles are meaningless

[blazing oar]

Does that make you an engineer?

[subtle oracle]

Don't put so much weight on them

[trail wave]

yes

[leaden flare]

What you're saying is just wrong I mean you're just saying what I do is pointless you expect me to just agree with you?

[trail wave]

look dude just go do wahtever you were doing, what do you want me to do

[blazing oar]

AI research xd

[trail wave]

are you the hawktuah guy

[leaden flare]

To not personally harass me?

[trail wave]

no one is harrasing you man

[subtle oracle]

No I'm the hawktuah girl wtf

[trail wave]

oh man 😔

[blazing oar]

Oh shit, our bad

[trail wave]

i got my hopes up

[subtle oracle]

Where'd your title go

[blazing oar]

Fr

[trail wave]

anyways fellas ill be showcasing a underwater helicopter very soon in #showcase so stay tuned

[leaden flare]

I'm trying to make my mind out of all the radiation I get from just reading thus chat and I'm done there's no point in this

[blazing oar]

Indeed, go do your ai research

Fellow AI researcher

[subtle oracle]

I dont think helicopters are supposed to be underwater

[blazing oar]

He is an engineer

[trail wave]

shut up hawktuah girl

[blazing oar]

Trust the process

[trail wave]

yep!

[blazing oar]

Rude

@gray gust feels like an AD

[trail wave]

he is tryin to stop my inovation bro

[subtle oracle]

Wait I thought your name was untitle

[blazing oar]

She* 🤓

[trail wave]

mb fam, she

[leaden flare]

Everybody who knows me, knows that I don't say stuff to just show off, you don't know me, you're not taking me seriously either...

Anyways... let's end this

[blazing oar]

Hard to talk seriously to a self proclaimed AI Researcher

[trail wave]

The End of Peak Brainrot

[blazing oar]

Besides, you are on the internet, tf so you expect to happen lol

[leaden flare]

What part of this is brainrot

[trail wave]

https://tenor.com/view/helicopter-gooz-dubious-helicopter-helicopter-helikopter-gif-23997010

[leaden flare]

Real funy autocorrect

[blazing oar]

TBF it was actually funny

[leaden flare]

Fair

[gray gust]

Nah

Sorry if its look likte it 😦

[trail wave]

i aim to be a stand up comedian engineer when i grow up

[leaden flare]

Okay, I'm trying to ignore... I'm removing the showcase I guess, if it's that irritating for people

[subtle oracle]

Please make room for the sunken helicopter

[trail wave]

its a underwater helicopter you brat

[subtle oracle]

Yeah it sunk underwater

[trail wave]

its flies underwater

[subtle oracle]

It can swim?

That sounds like a submarine

[trail wave]

no it flies

youll understand when you see it

[trim raft]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9pQ8sMZcoA

[grand gazelle]

.

[trail wave]

https://tenor.com/view/bedtime-goodnight-fullmoon-stars-gif-8034179824790141552

[proper jungle]

omg

what an epic convo

btw little recommendation

don't call urself AI researcher, just call urself a dev

you haven't coded the AI, you have used APIs of AIs and modified it's behavior by the API

am personally not sick of AI, not sick of what u do, idk where you have made this opinion from. Everyone low-key loves AI, most devs use it and it's really not a bad thing.

[trail wave]

did you really just read all of the messages above? 😵‍💫

[proper jungle]

yes

and I liked it

xD

[trail wave]

yes, if he is a AI researcher I'm a engineer who makes underwater helicopters

[proper jungle]

am waiting till windows updates, so I've got plenty of time

xD

[trail wave]

windows update ah

I use a chrome book 🤓 🤓

[proper jungle]

bruh

[trail wave]

am being fr rn

what I use is a chromebook

i just installed windows through that coolstar guide

[proper jungle]

bro loves to torture himself

[trail wave]

😔 🥀

It runs surprisingly good considering it is a chromebook

[true stirrup]

was interesting debate with proven ai researcher indeed

[leaden flare]

I mean that is like an old bio, at the time I wrote that I thought AI researcher is someone who is like enthusiastic about AI, but now that you've mentioned it, I've gone up and changed it to "self thought AI researcher" hope that clears the air...

[trail wave]

no one is hating on you here, it's just some criticism that went too far due to the heated argument, it's fine just change to AI Dev or something no need to humiliate yourself, just don't call yourself a researcher as that title is for something else completely calling yourself AI Researcher will disrespect the people who actually earned that title, there will be alot of times people will even bluntly hate on you, buts it's the internet what do you expect? People even hate on pineapple on pizzas, you must take the opportunities and learn from the criticism and do better next time.

[leaden flare]

-# (Why does your message keep growing)
Well okay, I'll admit it, I might not be an actual 100% AI researcher, but I've scratched the surface though, I've made like a text to image AI for generating minecraft skins last year.

I have not published that one because I was unsure if I was allowed to use the database i used for training it

[trail wave]

that's really cool! You shouldve shared that here!

[trail wave]

about why my message keeps growing,

Well you see it's a long story, it's similar to how babies grow, if you want to know more you must buy a subscription, tho WORRY not, it's only 25.99$/month super affordable!!

-# hopefully I don't get banned for self promoting

[leaden flare]

Glad to be of entertainment
-# (seriesly, no)

[true stirrup]

He did ppl mega down voted it lol

[leaden flare]

I didnt?

[trail wave]

y'all talk too much am gonna go work on a flying toaster now

[blazing oar]

Lol, good but at least admit it cause a few hours ago you were defending it like idk what, so it obviously wasn't just something you put in your bio a while ago. But I am happy you notice your mistake

[blazing oar]

Who doesn't hate on pineapple on pizza

Should be illegal

Tf

Must have been an american who invented that

(Well close enough, it was canada)

[trail wave]

https://tenor.com/view/good-day-bonjour-have-a-nice-day-hello-coffee-gif-5705350447386933411

[kind sorrel]

oh new gif added to the daily repost collection

[trail wave]

go cry about it

[ripe blade]

acc it was a canadian 🥀💔

oh i didnt read ok mb

[trail wave]

he figured that out

[trail wave]

no way you use guns.lol? 😭

[ripe blade]

i was gonna make my own github page hosted for that

but i was lowkey very lazy to do that

💀

[trail wave]

you could have used canva

:p

canva > guns.lol low diff

[ripe blade]

yeah ill just make my own tbh

[trail wave]

my portfolio is outdated ;-;

half of the projects arent even listed

at some point i felt like hiring someone just so they could write readme's and update my portfolio

[grand dirge]

give me a mil dollars I'll do it for u 😆

[trail wave]

https://tenor.com/view/batman-thinking-gif-18107621495886085895

[grand dirge]

I know I'm not asking for much
I'm generous ☺️

[cerulean orchid]

hi

[true stirrup]

I feel like someone posted an ai that like describes mc skins

Assumed it was you

My bad

[violet gyro]

https://report.bugs.mojang.com/servicedesk/customer/portal/2/MC-298520 they've finally fixed items rendering under the title it seems

[lone otter]

#showcase message 😭 😭😭💀

[trail wave]

It's the editing

[twin dune]

Automate as in like you punch in the subtitle and it generates that or are you asking how to make them?

[magic summit]

Well, blockbench is by far the best option there

[strange estuary]

I generate mine with a blockbench plugin online

Like I don’t need to use the program it’s just a site with the plugin on it or whateve

[trim raft]

link? 🥺

[strange estuary]

on vacay rn will check when I can

[true stirrup]

you have to go blockbench->plugins-> install Minecraft Title Generator-> File->New->Minecraft Title

[timid copper]

please accept my dm, i also worked for him.

[warped heath]

So how much money in total the services category have made so far in previous years

[magic summit]

How should one know?

[analog marlin]

i would estimate somewhere between 25 dollars and 38,000,000 dollars

(USD)

[cloud pasture]

Hey, does anyone know some server hostings with dedicated minecraft servers?

I am aware of DedicatedMC -- Couldn't find a server for a good price or location.
PrismNodes - Good price & good location, but has terrible response time and no stock (even after weeks of asking).
OVH - Doesn't have anything in the location with power.
Bloomhost - I recently found this after PrismNodes. It has the power but the price is pretty high since they have no middle ground. Either less than what I need or double what I need lol.
I'm looking for a fast CPU w 12 or more cores and ~64gb. Would prefer a pc in Virginia, New York, or any eastern US state.
The pricing for PrismNodes was $149/mo (w panel management and stuff for +$18/mo) which had 7900 (12 cores, fast speed), 64GB Ram, 1 TB Storage.
Would prefer hosting to be ~$200/mo or less.

It would be 50-60% more than what I was going to pay for PrismNodes, although it is more (more that I don't need).

[naive agate]

I’d check hetzner if it’s eu based or ping isn’t a giant issue

They got an auction

[cloud pasture]

Yeah I saw it and it is EU based

tryna get US East

[naive agate]

try Soyoustart

[honest thistle]

Deluxemenus - Version List

Spigot:

1.8.8
1.12.2
1.13.2
1.16.5
1.20.2

Version:

v1.10.5
v1.13.7
v1.14.0 - Latest
v1.14.0 - Latest
v1.14.0 - Latest

Requested by yellightpedro · Jun 5, 2025, 4:26 AM

[cloud pasture]

this is OVH

[naive agate]

yes but cheaper and it uses older hardware

[trail wave]

@nova crow really is scummy isn't he

I reported them tho seems they still aren't banned from here

[naive agate]

Sorry we are very backed up in reports need to put time maybe this weekend

[trail wave]

all fine, tho would appreciate If you went through them faster, so no more people get scammed

[barren pine]

If you are going for Power as well as Price both to be good.
I recommend using EnviroMC host. One of the best hostings I have ever seen.

Further, I don't know why are you calling OVH a no power stuff. OVH's advance series and Game Series are literally Blaster. It's worth it and very minimal in price. They even have an offer for No Setup costs going rn.

Further, I can maybe tell more if you can highlight the locations a little bit.

[true stirrup]

Ovh Atleast in EU had like 9700x's for like 50 eur a month

Looked now and they are out of stock

Haven't seen anything that cheap before

[barren pine]

Bloom is good no cap but their latency fluctuates quite often. Other than that, it's good.

Further, I strongly recommend checking out Sparked Hosting for Dedicated too. It's really good too. But again, EnviroMC is way another level.

[barren pine]

ikr

They had a time when they sold Singapore Game 2 5800X for 78$ without setup fees and commitment.

And if someone is selling Singapore Colos for this cheap with great performance, it's the best.

Singapore is the most Costly location rn afaik. When i saw this offer, I grabbed it and ran my Network on it for 6-7 months.

[true stirrup]

Fair

[vagrant pike]

"dcn-15AYp8RtrzU0gfEs"
if anyone needs

[trail wave]

💔

[long peak]

Looks sketchy af

[trail wave]

tbh most of these are just a scam or don't really provide anything significant

[winter compass]

I personally don't recommend Sparked, once they literally threw away a server's drives for no apparent reason (a friend of mine)

[coral wraith]

Hello, i have quest for someone who make menus for /magazine 1,2,3 for player to he can put items to the menu and dont waste place on the enderchest and everywhere he be, he can just write and open menus

[trail wave]

Hello 👋

[half wave]

Hello!

[grand dirge]

helo

[steel roost]

.

[true stirrup]

i kinda have a feeling these mfs just proxy ur connection thru frankfurt or something so u get "better" ping

aka a glorified VPN

[trail wave]

isn't that just what they do?

[true stirrup]

they probably do

but who knows maybe they found better routing than the entire industry

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[trail wave]

what else could they even do?

[cloud pasture]

I dont see any dedicated server options

[cloud pasture]

EnviroMC has dedicated threads, not a dedicated server unless I'm looking at the wrong spot

[winter compass]

https://sparkedhost.com/dedicated-server-hosting/

[trail wave]

how is glass host?

[winter compass]

.net?

[proper jungle]

woohoooo

[trail wave]

wait nvm

[proper jungle]

@long summit >.<

[long summit]

Yeah I saw ;p

[proper jungle]

hehe

[long summit]

Though the hover slot now renders on top of title

But that one isn't that big of a deal

[proper jungle]

shit

cannot it be fixed by using the empty item model?

[long summit]

Yeah I believe you can fix it with item components

[proper jungle]

does it happen w empty slots too?

[long summit]

Yeah it happens on empty slots

[proper jungle]

ffs

[proper jungle]

p a i n

[cloud pasture]

Hey this might work, thank you.

[winter compass]

?

[long summit]

Funny thing is that the method has 3 calls, renderTitle(), renderHover(), and renderItem()
It used to be:

• hover
• title
• item
  Last pre-release was
• hover
• item
• title
  Now it's
• title
• hover
• item
  The fix is literally to move the method call down like 3 lines

[barren pine]

Sir they do have dedicated servers as well. You can create a ticket there.

Also, you can refer my name to Mr. Nerd

[barren pine]

That may be a one in a thousand case.

[trail wave]

wasn't skynode really good for game servers?

[winter compass]

it has disproven their reliability in my opinion

and how do you literally throw away a drive

you literally have to take it out

can't be a mistake

[trail wave]

"my hand slipped and I tripped and accidentally my nail opened the server rig and and then my finger got stuck in the disk and then when I tried pulling my finger out the disk also went flying"

[winter compass]

🙏

[trail wave]

I remember the time when there were like atleast 50 hosting services mostly indian who were abusing free trials n cardding

[winter compass]

lol

[barren pine]

Giganodes, Expanse, Apollo and some bunch more

Ikr

[winter compass]

smart tho, but a## move by them xD

[trail wave]

CozyCloud, Trap Nodes, Turbo Nodes and a lot more bad names

[winter compass]

they sound like SummerHosts (as I've never heard of any of em)

[trail wave]

they ran for like 6 months and then were shutdown and the discord server sold to some random, they wiped out free users server files every week which everyone knows why

tho they prolly did make a good amount of money off of them

[barren pine]

Never heard them

[trail wave]

eh, they were like the ideal scam hostings

[barren pine]

Dude. Giganodes scammed me for 200$

Expanse's owner Arc ran a host before which scammed me 150-250$

Carding. Freetrial. Charge money. Trial expired. Blocked. Kicked. Banned. Boom

Ghost. Stop replying. Shit ttt

[trail wave]

you live in india correct?

isn't leashing a full machine a better option?

[barren pine]

Yes.

[barren pine]

Yes. Having a dedicated Baremetal is the best option.

[trail wave]

I mean money wise too

in india you should be able to get a good machine for anywhere between 400$-700$ for leash

[barren pine]

If you go by cost. People choose VPS/VDS when they can't afford a Baremetal

[barren pine]

I don't have much idea about leasing

[trail wave]

one of my friends does leash machines and he said its very pocket friendly

[barren pine]

I mean 500-700$ in quite cheap no cap. And yes in India, Colo is cheap.
Yotta is a good Colo Partner

[naive agate]

if someone needs a new monitor great deal here https://www.costco.com/msi-27"-wqhd-ips-nvidia-g-sync-gaming-monitor---2560-x-1440.product.4000203457.html

[long jasper]

If only costo was available in here 💔

[pulsar sun]

damn

[winter compass]

Antonio

[pulsar sun]

hello mellon

[winter compass]

[grand dirge]

[barren pine]

😭

Dude. Fr this community is filled with scammers

I found 3 people on Helpchat who took ma money and blocked, ghosted

[trail wave]

simple fix, dont hire randos

[pulsar sun]

you shouldn't hire that don't have credibility

[barren pine]

no but the thing is. how do we get to know credibility?

[pulsar sun]

you could ask him who did he previously work for and you can ask that person

i mean this doesn't work fully like for me I would tell you no one

[barren pine]

he has an old account, good and active github, good building portfolio, good dev portfolio.

[barren pine]

i always do.

majority of them fake it

[pulsar sun]

did you ask for his BBB

[barren pine]

even if they stay in an organisation an ddont work and get kicked for inactivity, they put it in.

[barren pine]

No. But afaik, very less amount of devs keep BBB account.

so i thought that was not a big deal

[pulsar sun]

they shouldn't

and it is a big deal since you'd be able to view them

also, never do a you pay first and then they work

[barren pine]

ik. but many of them charge upfront.

[pulsar sun]

either 50/50 or they finish first, you pay and then he sends (ofc after confirming everything)

don't accept them then

you're just inviting people to scam you

[barren pine]

yea 50 upfront

but even that's not a small amount

[barren pine]

ngl. many scammers there oof...

[pulsar sun]

it depends on your needs true

[barren pine]

yea ig

[grand dirge]

i made a logo for one guy and he ghosted me after I sent it to him

[naive agate]

Dm @honest thistle

[winter compass]

verify his background

that's what I'd suggest

for the future

[trail wave]

previous work experince n such

yeah, paypal is mostly biased in disputes so you are def going to win

tho honestly paypal is just so biased in disputes that i would never take a g&s payment

[twin dune]

BBB has gone down hill for sure, they've really over-stepped in their level of moderation and their attempts to be a superior platform.

[muted fern]

Report them via @honest thistle or /Report

[fading plank]

10$/month at starting , pay will increase on performance

What performance does bro expect? @light yew

[fading grove]

bro i read 10 dollars an hour

and then i realized it was a month

[fading plank]

The word "performance" and "10$/month" doesn't go together in a sentence.

[mellow zinc]

slave wages

$0.30 per day 💀

[leaden flare]

Imagine working for a day and they be like: here have a candy 🍬

Can you even buy a candy with $0.30 ?

[fading grove]

nah lol

a candy bar is expensive, its like a dollar

[ripe blade]

#1378603416888016926 message "specialized" and "free"

🤣

@rapid viper hi, just wanted to compliment your portfolio website, i REALLY like it :DD

[fading grove]

thats a very slick website

very clean

[barren pine]

I think just respect his affordability. Atleast he is telling his true budget which he can really afford.

Those who are comfortable in it may dm him.

[barren pine]

2 of them aren't there. And I heard reports take months to solve as you guys already have many pending reports already

I purchased

1. Builds
2. Hired someone as developer.

I didn't pay through PayPal 😭

[trail wave]

😭 💔 😔 @nova crow

[leaden flare]

That does not say anything about what the product you're selling actually is
And please send this is #1378603418045779979

[wary willow]

@unborn stag this is not the server for this.

[unborn stag]

Oh

im sorry i saw someone selling there own earlier

im sorry

[wary willow]

Probably missed by our admins

[unborn stag]

Oh okay

[rapid viper]

Thanks 🙏

[strange estuary]

Imo no

It messes up the expectations people set for freelancers :/

The more people that get hired at $10/month the more that becomes the rate people deem “acceptable”

Not being mean to the budget, I try to spend as little money as possible and do things myself, however for the freelancers I don’t feel like prices like that should become the norm either

[trail wave]

this is so true, i also saw a couple of guys list comissions for cheap af so i thought those prices were normal hence i was charging way way low than the actual worth

[barren pine]

I debate. I have experienced it myself in past.

There was a time i budgeted for 50$ per month.
And the reason for that was because I could not afford it. Nothing else but affordability. Now people like this do not have any other way to find developers.

And that's another thing if you want them to budget for 200$ and lie after getting the work done. Better to disclose the true budget and affordability beforehand.

[barren pine]

There is no standard and expectations tbh. I respect the work people do. But I also respect those who are paying. Now if a freelancer do not accept that budget, he simply does not contact him. If someone wants to work in that budget, he can contact him.

But in no case he should post high budget when he cannot afford one.

[blazing oar]

not this guy again

xd

[strange estuary]

There are expectations

Standard, living wages 😂

Just because it’s not typical freelance work doesn’t mean it shouldn’t pay like freelance work

[strange estuary]

Developers aren’t needed

It’s a luxury

If you can’t afford it don’t get them

I couldn’t, so I learned and taught myself 🤷

Too many people think you need custom plugins and need devs when they could just do it themselves lol

[trail wave]

Did he just justify under paying?

[true stirrup]

@formal shell Yo, the quests menu looks cool but i feel like differentiating the difficulty with 3 pixels is kinda meh, you have like a X pattern in a lighter yellow, u could probably use that to draw symbols on them, like a skull for the hardest quest etc.

Would make it a lot more readable and less repeating

[formal shell]

Oh thank you so much for the feedback! Would try to do something like that!

[barren pine]

well. affordablity is subjective imo. And Rate of dollar differs for everyone because of different conditions. I still argue everyone's affordablity should be respected.

[barren pine]

If someone is not satisfied with the affordablity, just don't initiate further?
if someone can afford not more than a certain amount, you expect him to fake it?

[barren pine]

everyone does not have enough time to learn developing themselves.

we are paying for saving our time, now how much we pay depends on our affordablity.

if someone is comfortable in a low price, no harm in that.
if someone is not ready to work at that low price, no harm in that too. we can always look for others till we either find someone.

[trail wave]

you're just taking it out of context there, what he said is right, if you can't afford the developers then don't hire them, under paying them or setting a expectation isn't ideal

if you can't pay minimum wage then don't hire simple as that

you shouldn't under pay anyone, if they are still starting off they of course wouldn't have a idea about the minimum expected pay.

[trail wave]

you are complaining about not having enough time to learn and then also complain about paying minimum wage?

[barren pine]

I don't agree tbh. I can afford some, can't afford others. My post is an offer to them. Those who are comfortable in the price will be ready, no harm in that again.

[barren pine]

There is no minimum wage on discord my friend. People sometimes work for free without any wages voluntarily. It's their choice, nobody is pointing a gun at them.

[barren pine]

May I know where are you minimum wages defined in discord TOS or Helpchat?

[barren pine]

Who said we are underpaying?
We don't expect them to be dedicated 24 hours a day for such a low price ofc. Just minimal work.

And if someone is ready to dedicate himself in that low price, nobody else should interfere in that. It's his choice.

We aren't forcing anyone. It's just an Offer. Accept or Reject. Simple.

They don't owe us something neither do we. Just OFFER AND ACCEPTANCE thing.

[trail wave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1371117305697665094/1381205936101920799/Screenshot_20250608-150857.png?ex=6846abc4&is=68455a44&hm=ca038bca9caf04e8ae95390197a13e6ddac0354d257827b015cd33339d742539&

[trail wave]

💀 dawg what

[trail wave]

🙏 omfg no way bro just said that, so there is nothing like a minimum expected pay?

[barren pine]

I would like to know If there is any official pay specified.

Cuz afaik, there isn't any.

[barren pine]

Just tell me if there is my friend.

[barren pine]

How am I taking advantage? Your reasoning is literally flawed. He is himself agreeing under no undue influence to do that.

I am not forcing him to do it. It's his free consent and choice.

[trail wave]

yes you are under paying if you are paying less for the same amount of work that gets paid more, and if some is dedicating himself in that price, then YOU are a scum bag taking advantage of people, that makes you disgusting as well

[barren pine]

It's his choice. Not yours. You can't force me to keep my budget high. I can't force you to work in low budget.

Simple concept. No underpay. And how do you know how much is he going to work in that price. Only the offeror knows it.

Again Flawed point going towards toxicity my friend.

[trail wave]

people who start off don't have much of a idea, if they work for you and you are paying them less than what they are worth its very disgusting if you are making him work for you if that's the case

[barren pine]

People who start off don't even have that experience to get paid very high then. I would say.

It's their free choice. Don't you understand this simple concept? FREE CONSENT
Which means their free will to do or no to do something.

It's their Choice. Not Yours.

You are no one to stop them my friend.

I have worked for many people myself as a configurator for free. And it was my choice. And I don't need any payout.

It's not disgusting. It's my consent and choice.

No one should interfere if I don't want any payout. Or if I am ready to work in even less payout.

Took too long. Maybe a paragraph. I GTG. Will be back soon 🙂

[trail wave]

are you like acoustic? yes it's "HIS" choice but then aren't you taking advantage of that guy? as obvouslee previously said, don't hire if you can't afford them.

When I also did start, I didn't much how the prices were set and how to give out quotes, I was taken advantage of a few times as well, then I met a bunch who told me how to give out quotes and what the minimum pay for work is, it's disgusting how people were under paying me, its way better to not even hire someone if you can't even pay the minimum for work.

wdym "people who start off don't even have that experience"? I mean starting in freelance not developement, even if they are starting off in development and freelancing they still deserve the minimum, like i previously said it's their free choice BUT as a human you should know better than any to not take advantage of someone.

first that self proclaimed AI Researcher and then this 😭

There is no way you can justify paying 10$/mo for Minecraft server development and mix it up with affordability

[barren pine]

NO. In any way, i am not taking his advantage. If he is ready, and i am not forcing him, that mean i am not.

Please tell me what is the source of the minimum pay?
I would like to know the official source. if you dont have one, your whole argument is flawed.

As human, i can only offer someone. its his responsiblity to rate his work. if he is ready to do a work for me in a low price, his choice. if he do not want to, again his choice and i respect that.
If someone is entering the field of freelance, he got to understand things. And he cannot charge 20$/hour at the first commission. He should commit some voluntary projects and low budgeted projects to build up his portfolio first. only then will people entrust him with high payout.

I can't understand what is not letting you to get a simple point of Offer and Acceptance. We all are here for that, thats what trade is. i offer you something, you eithe accept or reject. If a shopkeeper is ready to sell me a biscuit costing 10$ in 5$, i do not have any issue. i am not pointing a gun at his head nor am i lying to faking him. its his choice.

I would still like you to send me the source of your official pay

Any Helpchat Rule, Any Discord TOS

[quiet sail]

oh a good debate going on.

[barren pine]

just a friendly discussion 😅

[quiet sail]

xD

[trail wave]

😮‍💨 do I really have to explain what are the expected minimum wages? There isn't a rule written in the discord tos nor helpchat, and nor is it needed to write it in those two places as it isn't in any way nessacary to be there, there very expected/minimum wage, let me ask you this, if there isn't the exact numbers written somewhere, do you start paying 0.1$/hr? there are the least expected wages someone should be paid for their respective work

imagine a situation, in a store you are hiring someone who's not experienced at a very low rate to work for you as he didn't have a idea about the minimum wages, he was starting off and was desperate so he agrees to work for that.

Does this sound fair? is this the very concept of Affordability for you? If it is then it's utterly disgusting.

😭 I just don't get how someone can't understand ts, I say it again, there is no way you can justify paying someone 10$/mo and mix t up with affordability

It isn't his choice, if he knew about what the work is worth he would probably never even message you, and as a human it's also your responsibility to not take advantage of someone naivenes.

[trail wave]

Debate? This is bs, people really are selfish if you are going so far to justify under paying

[quiet sail]

i do not agree. i agree with Coolallrounder here, this is a community for people to find the right people for them. they offer something, if others accept, then its good to go!

but if they do not agree, then i don't think anyone have right to force him to work for free

[trail wave]

there are expectations, even if someone accepts your offer, you're taking advantage of them, refering to obviouslee, as he said developers are a luxury don't hire them if you can't afford them

[barren pine]

in a store to work, there are laws and acts.
there isn't any for This. so again, flawed here.

My affordablity is my comfort, if anyone fits for it, he/she is free to approach me.

that's it.

i have worked for 0$ per month for 5 months for many networks, and that was my interest and consent.

nothing else.

[muted fern]

We being civilised here?

[quiet sail]

yea don't hire if you can't afford. if you can, hire them. if someone is ready to work for 10$/hr, that means you can afford him right?
seems you yourself gave the answer.

[trail wave]

yes, and those are called expectations, if there isn't a law to protect one, you're going to abuse that?

don't mix up selfishness with affordability, it's your problem if you can't afford to give people the minimum expected

[barren pine]

brainstorming brotha! 😉

[barren pine]

i can afford those who are ready to work for 10$/hr, simple as that. Mr. SELFISH SELFISH! 😅

[quiet sail]

XD

[trail wave]

id prefer if you were to not speak, you haven't read the previous messages clearly, if you would have you wouldn't have said this

[quiet sail]

oh i have scanned the convo fully mate

and are you gonna stop me from speaking now? i'd say i wont.

[trail wave]

then I guess you don't have much of a sense of what's right or what's wrong?

[barren pine]

chill chill. we are being friendly here

this unt1tle guy is just being....

nvm

no point arguing

[quiet sail]

??

[quiet sail]

i guess you do not have much sense of what an OFFER is.

[trail wave]

you're just repeating the same exact thing even tho I gave a solid argument in 3 of my previous messages

[barren pine]

flawed. absolutely flawed.

[muted fern]

Do want to remind people briefly of the #rules specifically as this is boarding on being more of an argument rather than a discussion.
- Don't take part in or provoke arguments.

[trail wave]

mb

[quiet sail]

i mean yea he got one point, that its not good to pay lower than his price, but atlast if the other party agrees, its his consent. That ends all the debate.

[barren pine]

I stop.

[muted fern]

I don't mind a discussion, just no need to argue

[barren pine]

Alrighty. I was taking it friendly only, he was the one escalating it onto an argument. was being a bit negative there.
Sorry if i committed something.

[winter compass]

arguecube :3

[blazing oar]

@trail wave don't worry about the cool guy, jot the first time he does it nor first time there is a drbate about it here

[strange estuary]

Then imo you shouldn’t have a server

Making a server that you don’t have time for is just adding to the slop

oh we are done talking nvm

[trail wave]

https://tenor.com/view/komaru-cat-cute-fluffy-shake-gif-23360236

[trail wave]

oh wait imo means "in my opinion", I mixed it up with emo,i thought everyone was insulting each other

[barren pine]

Well. I already do and it's going fantastic! An Absolute Success.

[barren pine]

Who said I don't? I don't have time to learn coding 😂

XD

[strange estuary]

Cool

If it’s such a success why can’t it afford livable wages