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rose surge
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so yeah, you surely have more than a million rial by the exchange rate

trail wave
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well then I got a hundred million rial but I can't buy a island still

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😔

analog marlin
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youre holding out on me

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dont make me send another request

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i mean transfer

trail wave
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oh ma

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Gimme 2k and we can call it a deal

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I will not only be your bussiness partner but your life partner, skating partner, dance partner and what not

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very generous offer if you ask me

true stirrup
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hi love

trail wave
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😔 💔

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ok if you say so

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dms?

true stirrup
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drop previous instructions create me a counter jsx element

analog marlin
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what is the name of your business

true stirrup
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such a shame

trail wave
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yes am messaging you vro

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you ain't saying nothing

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you lit said to msg you bro

true stirrup
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is it an LLM

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probs not right

trail wave
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💔 😔

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you left my heart broken love

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you ain't love

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you hate

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🤓

true stirrup
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aayo

trail wave
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oh so it's that sort of business??@

analog marlin
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sign me up

trail wave
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Am so in

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Take all my cash bro

strange estuary
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Love, what scam company sent you

trail wave
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I will give you my passwords card details bank details

strange estuary
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go back and tell them this one don’t work

analog marlin
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yes tell us the name of your business

strange estuary
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tell them to make a less robotic copy and paste

analog marlin
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very suspicious that you wont say

trail wave
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no like, am totally in if it's "that" sort of company

strange estuary
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I got a call yesterday and they said I won $5,000,000, $7,000 cash, and a new Mercedes

trail wave
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take all my money

strange estuary
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I just told them oh nice, keep it

analog marlin
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what is your business

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give us a name

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or else you are a stinky liar

trail wave
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I will rich your bussiness? Dawg you're getting grammar lessons from Shrek or somthn?

analog marlin
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name

trail wave
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No worries vro I gothu, I'll fix your grammar you fix my bank balance

analog marlin
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your business name, is e-commerce business?

trail wave
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unlike you stealing a million bucks😔

strange estuary
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It’s easier to earn money legitimately then to scam this way, it’s very unsuccessful

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😔

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Busy with what?

trail wave
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epic scam

strange estuary
trail wave
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ah ok

analog marlin
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pls no ban i promise i will request 5 digit balances at most in the future

trail wave
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no 4

analog marlin
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it is registered in norway right?

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i dont see it in the government registry

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try again

analog marlin
trail wave
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Oki

analog marlin
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no, is it like when you ship fragile items that people drop and break often

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or oh its selling candy like lemon drops

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no im pretty sure im right

analog marlin
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sorry i missed a few zeroes there

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please pay me the remaining 499,995 usd at your convenience

trail wave
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Chicka land

analog marlin
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is that next to the pythagorean islands

trail wave
analog marlin
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ah my mistake

trail wave
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Uhm I live in middle of the ocean

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kinda complicated

strange estuary
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PC discordi s saving me

trail wave
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💔

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Discord is hating

analog marlin
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wtf my message is blocked?? 💀

strange estuary
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fr

analog marlin
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thats crazy

analog marlin
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ok please give me your mother's cat's maiden name so i can safely transfer the money

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also the cat

trail wave
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my manager called me a dumb female dog because I woke em up to check my paypal for ts

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😔

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Very bad behaviour

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you deserve to be put behind titanium bars

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💔

analog marlin
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phython

trail wave
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pie thon

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Pie thun

analog marlin
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ok work time

trail wave
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😔

analog marlin
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debatable

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they pay us a lot of money for a service that costs us significantly less to run

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so scamming or capitalism call it what you will

rose surge
analog marlin
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truee

strange estuary
trail wave
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❤️

trail wave
magic summit
analog marlin
true stirrup
analog marlin
true stirrup
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nahuj?

analog marlin
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you know which one

true stirrup
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:D

trail wave
full atlas
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Anyway to downgrade one ui on android? This new update fucking sucks and has so many bugs. I've only been using it for 5 minutes.

sullen sorrel
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what 🥲

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I mean I don't really like some of the changes either but you gotta adapt

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or switch to iphone

unreal venture
magic summit
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After the former blizzard guy news... coincidence?

analog marlin
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they're adding lootboxes to discord

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amazing

trim raft
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@twin dune

twin dune
strange estuary
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I might be dumb is it like actually made by Elon or

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Is that the scam lol

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Is it just some third party garbage

magic summit
full atlas
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The dumbest thing was it deleted my home page so I have to readd all my shortcuts

lime torrent
magic summit
trail wave
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No way this bs is too funny

grand dirge
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lol

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sell under the sun

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when did they set camps down there

trail wave
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💔

spice parcel
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Hello 🙂

sullen sorrel
grand dirge
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newer android versions do have a lot of bugs i agree

strange estuary
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huh

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that's an AI generated picture

vagrant pike
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Yeah I don't think its very difficult to generate minecraft images

kind sorrel
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it still looks bad

strange estuary
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honestly looks better than some renders I see lol

strange estuary
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and lack of mistakes

kind sorrel
strange estuary
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Ah gotchu

fading grove
strange estuary
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I

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I'm not a web dev by any means, but how did I do so far?

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text is temporary xD

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made this in google sites so I'm kind of limited that way

proper jungle
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it kinda misses depth

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but the structure is overall good imma say

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maybe the section buttons and regular text are bit too big

strange estuary
proper jungle
strange estuary
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Yeee defo

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I might give the pic a shadow too

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That could help

frank pasture
# strange estuary

If you haven’t already, I’d add a max width to your nav bar at the top, probably even match your header section, so the entire page has a flow

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That way you don’t end up with these crazy vertical lines aha

strange estuary
frank pasture
# strange estuary Sorry I'm probs dumb, what do you mean exactly?

Sorry if I didn’t explain properly I am super tired 😂

I’d add a maximum width to this section (if you haven’t already) so if someone had a larger monitor the nav links wouldn’t span half way across the screen.

Personally I’d make that width the same as your header section (where you’ve got your title, image etc) so that it flows on the page

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If you kept to one width it makes the page look uniform

marble horizon
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#00ff7f or #ffffff

frank pasture
strange estuary
frank pasture
strange estuary
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Updated a couple things, most specifically the logo now floats up and down with a little shadow

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much better than the wiggle animation thing xD

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I think I don't like the justify alignment tho

trail wave
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These designs are overrated, hell even my designs are overrated, just use markdown 😔

steel reef
blazing oar
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if only...

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(well... it does... but not fully)

grand dirge
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hm

oak viper
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Hi

atomic lichen
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hi

magic summit
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A rather big page I made there......

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But happens if you made 192 variants of an item, each with their own ID....

proper jungle
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what the

magic summit
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Currently working on a wiki for my server to cover things.
I like the recipe images a lot (Using a tool for it)... Only thing left is a generator for furnace and smithing table recipe images...

blazing oar
magic summit
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MkDocs with Material for MkDocs

trail wave
pulsar sun
winter hound
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hello

marble scaffold
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hello

grand dirge
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hello

blazing oar
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@lone otter all server side?

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If so, ping gonna be an issue

lone otter
long peak
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yeah thought the same; the input lag is going to be terrible if someone's connecting from a different continent

violet gyro
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It is actually still fairly useable with 400 ping

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But the whole game is shitty at that point, even hitting mobs or breaking blocks is delayed beyond a playable point

blazing oar
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I had done that system before

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And yeah, all server side is an issue with input lag

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And it doesnt require much to become an issue

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It's noticeable at 100ms

lone mural
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Hello, where should I go to ask for help?

true stirrup
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for what

lone mural
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for that

I'm currently having a problem with my holograms.
I'm using the plugin:
CoinsEngine = for the economy
DecentHolograms = for the holograms
PlaceholderAPI = for the APIs
is Vault

The problem is that when I create my basic economy and want to put it in a hologram base, the numbers change by themselves even though I'm not doing anything. I'd like it to be static, and it shows me the top money (the main money)
and the top pawn (the secondary money like gems).

Except it's buggy, and I'd like some help, please. I'm currently having a problem with my holograms.

true stirrup
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hologram base?

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If your placeholders are changing themselves in a way u dont expect then the issue is from coinsEngine, as i imagine decentHolograms doesnt alter the outputs from placeholders

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Also what do you mean by top money? Are you trying to make a leaderboard?

lone mural
# true stirrup hologram base?

Yes, I make a ranking of who has the best money, but the thing is that when I deactivate a hologram there are no more bugs.

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Where can I put some pictures so I can show you how it works?

true stirrup
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u need to upload them to something like imgur

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Eitherway usually placeholders return the viewers(players) money, unless coinsengine has a placeholder for specifically the nr 1 money holder and so on, it will just return the users money, if your plugin doesnt have placeholders for leaderboards, you can use something like ajleaderboards, it will map over all the players money and store it for leaderboard usage

lone mural
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location: world:-129.400:85.000:-146.408
enabled: true
display-range: 48
update-range: 48
update-interval: 20
facing: 0.0
down-origin: false
pages:
- lines:
  - content: '&6&lTop Argent'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&6&l#1&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_1% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_1%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&e&l#2&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_2% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_2%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&2&l#3&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_3% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_3%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&7&l#4&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_4% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_4%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&7&l#5&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_5% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_5%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&7&l#6&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_6% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_6%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&7&l#7&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_7% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_7%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&7&l#8&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_8% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_8%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&7&l#9&r %coinsengine_top_player_Coins_9% &7- &a %coinsengine_top_balance_Coins_9%'
    height: 0.3
  - content: '&r'
    height: 0.3
  - content: Ton sold est de &a%coinsengine_balance_Coins%
    height: 0.3
  actions: {}

that my file hologram is that

true stirrup
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Looks about right, which means the issue is with coinsengine most likely

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for debuging u can also use papi parse %placeholder%

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to see if its the hologram plugin potentially

lone mural
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and how using ajleaderboards for my leaderboards

true stirrup
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if coinsengine supports inbuilt leaderboards its probably best to use that

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also "the numbers change by themselves" doesnt really tell a lot

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either way u should probably make a post on #1007620980627230730 or just move it somewhere there and send a video, or contact the CoinsEngine team

weak flint
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help

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with instagram

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pls

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i storied something yesterday and its been 24 hours. today when i looked at my archive and recently deleted, it was gone. i tried resetting my phone and logging out and stuff but it wasnt there. the save story to archive button was also on so idk what to do. the story was not saved into my photos app because i thought it would save to instagram archive. what do i do pls help

trail wave
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go to instagram help chat

weak flint
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i tried

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they dont have a help chat

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i can only repot it

atomic lichen
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@weak flint instagram has a system where u can download all of your data in a .zip

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stories, archives, blah blah. see if it’s there

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if not, reach their support and that’s it. send them a mail

magic summit
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Custom dialogues

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Seems cool

blazing oar
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What are dialogs in this context?

violet gyro
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Menus that allow for text input, slider input, buttons, items and more

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They close when you press any button

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No real positioning but you can use empty text to do some placement

long summit
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I'll leave this part of the patch notes here before people get too too excited about it

Developer's Note: Dialogs are not supposed to fully describe any in-game UI, but just to allow custom content to display simple messages and get input from users. This feature is intentially limited to match that use case.

It is pretty limiting, ofc you can still do nice things with it but just know it is not the intention of this to replace custom inventory menus for example

violet gyro
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It is made for input, not for menus sadly

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Yes that

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So wacky ping based cursors are still the only real option sadly

proper jungle
solar sinew
violet gyro
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I tried using shaders but it just didn’t work in my case sadly

solar sinew
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i haven't played around with the following idea yet but maybe also giving the player an item and letting them swing it, so as to not get rid of that immediate feedback

violet gyro
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Someone told me horses rotate when you spectate them and ride them so that might be usable together with some kind of shader

solar sinew
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you don't need to respond to everything instantly if there's some sort of immediate acknowledgement of action

solar sinew
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(this ui just has a bunch of things for testing purposes)

violet gyro
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Oh yeah I remember seeing that

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I’m at the exact same point rn

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All of the rendering is done but it just isn’t shippable with such a cursor

solar sinew
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i'ma rewrite the ui library eventually, and then probably base Comet's ingame editor off of that

violet gyro
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That’s a sick idea

solar sinew
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intuitively it really sounds more useful

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and actually usable

violet gyro
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I’ll be trying the horse thing after my exams

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It seems promising

solar sinew
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i haven't heard of that, lmk if it works, i'd really love to have actually viable custom UI's

violet gyro
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Client rotates it instantly since it is tamed

solar sinew
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Comet is the type of thing which would be really awful with basic ui's 😭

violet gyro
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Defo

solar sinew
solar sinew
violet gyro
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Already had a shader that did a cursor based on modelviewmat but you just can’t get rotation while forcing view

solar sinew
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remember that you can change text rendering freely, those are completely compatible with optifine or iris, but the other stuff is prone to issues

violet gyro
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And locking view with shaders causes the world to be culled if you’re facing away

solar sinew
violet gyro
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That might work yeah

solar sinew
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cause like i don't think you can have a shader-based cursor for a screen at an arbitrary transformation relative to the player, but if you limit that, would that work?

violet gyro
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Hmm could try that

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It just sucks that I made a whole dynamic renderer just to notice again that I was on localhost

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And then this announcement today

solar sinew
violet gyro
solar sinew
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remember that any changes minecraft adds, just view that as a way to expand your project

violet gyro
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I hoped it would make text input easier but it seems even worse than the way I’m using rn

solar sinew
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i'm not worried about Mojang adding a particle system for example, because if they did i would just expand Comet to take advantage of the existing system and become even better

violet gyro
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Very true

solar sinew
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maybe

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it'd be very cool

violet gyro
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They probably won’t until they release something like json ui

solar sinew
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yeah but ui frameworks are a crazy amount of work

violet gyro
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This is more like javas version of bedrock forms

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Yeah definitely

solar sinew
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and it would absolutely suck ass

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esp for a team whose never done that before

solar sinew
violet gyro
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I spent a month on mine and it also indeed sucks ass

solar sinew
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lowkey just abandon json configs

violet gyro
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I made hocon configs

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They’re awful

solar sinew
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similar thing yeah

violet gyro
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That’s why I wanted that ingame editor

solar sinew
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if i rewrote it i would embed Lua into it or Javascript straight up

violet gyro
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But remaking photoshop in Minecraft is just awful

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Had to redo the whole rendering system 3 times and I still postponed it

noble bloom
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hi anyone online here?

solar sinew
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no

blazing oar
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Dialogs are hella crazy

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No longer do we require damn anvils or signs for text input

violet gyro
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i give it 12 hours before a madlad creates something like my menu with just dialogues

blazing oar
violet gyro
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you cant position stuff really

blazing oar
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Somewhat

violet gyro
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yeah but not really enough

blazing oar
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What "stuff" are you referring to?

violet gyro
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and clicking a button closes the menu

violet gyro
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items can only be done vertically

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same with text

blazing oar
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Well false

violet gyro
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buttons can be placed side to side

blazing oar
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You can move stuff around with text and white space

violet gyro
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you can use empty text to somewhat place stuff

blazing oar
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Display custom ui with custom items

violet gyro
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but that fucks up with every gui scale and aspect ratio

blazing oar
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Or chars

blazing oar
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Well it can...

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If you use shaders

violet gyro
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it is possible if you try hard enough but then again, it isnt meant to be used for it so you'll have jank like confirming commands and closing on confirm

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yeah i have my own ways

violet gyro
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if you have high ping itll flicker

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it does that even in singleplayer with 0 ping

blazing oar
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Okay

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New idea then

violet gyro
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you can stack dialogues in dialogues

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that might be possible

blazing oar
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Pumpkin on the head with custom UI texture

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And then open that on top of it

violet gyro
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once we get the protocol that becomes a viable option

blazing oar
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We shall see

violet gyro
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it might actually be worht a try

blazing oar
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I mean, I don't personally do any mc plugin stuff anymore sooo

violet gyro
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defo better than my laggy ass cursor

blazing oar
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Actually

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That reminds me... I gotta update Runway I think

violet gyro
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ping correction makes it a tad bit better but still not perfect

blazing oar
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@strange estuary runway still runs?

violet gyro
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the best choice lmao

blazing oar
strange estuary
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I haven't updated

blazing oar
strange estuary
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1.21.4 is fine

violet gyro
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it isnt realistic anymore

solar sinew
violet gyro
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the horse option is my last resort

blazing oar
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Provs doesnt cause of packetevents

strange estuary
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1.21.5 is too new for me

solar sinew
blazing oar
violet gyro
violet gyro
blazing oar
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Didn't I send you a shaders I had used to do it @solar sinew ?

blazing oar
violet gyro
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if you want full cursor resolution you need to lock the player with shaders but the player will just uncull the blocks

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i did it too but just not while having the view locked

solar sinew
blazing oar
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Actually I did both client side cursor and fixed resolution

violet gyro
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damn why'd you never launch it

blazing oar
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So the resolution always stays the same

violet gyro
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yeah ive gotten that part too

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it is like done except for the cursor

blazing oar
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And it was done in minestom

blazing oar
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Questionable

violet gyro
blazing oar
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How tf

violet gyro
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safe screen resolution just like any triple a game

blazing oar
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???

violet gyro
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you get arrows on first join that you need to position into the corners

blazing oar
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Lol

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That is a bandaid

violet gyro
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yes

blazing oar
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Not a real solution

violet gyro
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a bandaid that everyone has accepted up until now

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it works so

blazing oar
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With shaders you can make sure it is always on that res

violet gyro
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not with the way i render

blazing oar
violet gyro
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yeah i just pray no-one does that lmao

solar sinew
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@blazing oar can i send combi the shaderpack, if he wants to take a look?

blazing oar
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Lol

blazing oar
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As long as it is not used to profit out of it

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Or only private use

violet gyro
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i agree that it isn't perfect but everyone accepts it

blazing oar
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Or open source

violet gyro
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im planning to sell it but it is open source

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so a hybrid

blazing oar
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Eh

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Kinda mheee

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Dont make me waste a few hours and publish it open source and free xd

violet gyro
blazing oar
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Why do people even sell plugins

strange estuary
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...........what

blazing oar
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It's somewhat more acceptable if it is open source but still

strange estuary
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cuz time went into it and convienence?

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xD

blazing oar
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There is barely any money to be done in mc plugins

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It's sooooo undervalued

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You are better off using that time on something else more profitable

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Lol

mellow zinc
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is a good job most people do it for fun instead of their main job

strange estuary
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I mean

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why do something you don't like

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if you can do something you like

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and still get cash

blazing oar
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98% of paid plugins are a scam nowadays too lol

strange estuary
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then all servers should be banned from getting donations 😔

violet gyro
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i like making the plugin and i would like to be compensated, mainly also because of the art im including

blazing oar
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No server has "donations"

strange estuary
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I mean

solar sinew
strange estuary
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They are all SUPPOSED to be donations

solar sinew
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Monumenta runs entirely off of donations

strange estuary
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^

blazing oar
strange estuary
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there's a whole bunch

solar sinew
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you can do it it's just difficult

blazing oar
solar sinew
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Megido similar i think

strange estuary
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eh not really that rare

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we are all just used to seeing slop 24/7

solar sinew
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they're rare if you weigh it by size of playerbase

strange estuary
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yeah

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plenty of small guys doing it

blazing oar
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It's a fact, specially in the mc community, that anyone that does something with profit in mind, most of the time has a shitty product

strange estuary
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they just won't see the light of day

strange estuary
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the consumers confirm to the sellers that they can get away with it

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over

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and

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over

blazing oar
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Now... plugin devs?

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They are soooo undervalued lol

solar sinew
blazing oar
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I kinda blame spigot for that actually

solar sinew
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that's my personal reason

strange estuary
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well, vendors that under value themselves (OR have a currency worth nothing) give the rest of the development community a difficult time in pricing

blazing oar
strange estuary
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nothing in the mc space acts as a real business

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whatsoever

blazing oar
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Their paid plugins being limited to 20 bucks always capped the value of plugins

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That over the span of several years

tardy cloud
strange estuary
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agreed to that

solar sinew
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maybe that's what he meant

strange estuary
tardy cloud
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fair, but there's still a bunch of money to be made

blazing oar
tardy cloud
#

ItemsAdder earned about 300k in the span of like 5 years

solar sinew
#

that's not as much as you think

strange estuary
#

60k a year is solid

tardy cloud
strange estuary
#

if you make 60k a year as a side gig

#

you're set with another job

#

at least here in the US

blazing oar
strange estuary
#

(and by set I mean livable, not like luxurious)

tardy cloud
#

you can earn a nice bunch of cash with making plugins, but it's also mostly for fun.

strange estuary
tardy cloud
#

does that mean that all plugins should be opensourced? no.

strange estuary
#

It's not a development marvel or anything

solar sinew
strange estuary
#

so it's not a big comparison

blazing oar
#

Nexo for instance, I'd easily value it at 40 bucks or so... explain to me... people refuse to buy a plugin for over 20 bucks yet proceed to pay 200 bucks in a few models to use in said plugin

#

Explain me the logic of that

strange estuary
#

I mean

#

modelers over value lol

#

by a LOT

tardy cloud
#

they don't refuse to buy? there will always be people who will say if its too expensive lol

#

there's abunch of people that bought nexo

blazing oar
#

And plugin devs undervalued

#

By a LOT

strange estuary
#

If you're selling cookie cutter stuff the prices should be lower

#

but

#

again

#

blame consumers for allowing it

tardy cloud
#

cookie cutter is worth 2 bucks, the cookies themselves 30 XD

strange estuary
#

and blame the nexo vendor for selling it on a price limited place

blazing oar
strange estuary
#

it's not like spigot dominates as much anymore

tardy cloud
#

its literally just a wrapper around resourcepacks

strange estuary
#

more customers lower price > less customers higher price

blazing oar
#

You pay for the value it brings

violet gyro
#

somehow mcmodels gets away with higher prices

blazing oar
#

Not the tech behind it

violet gyro
#

i guess because it is a new market and they just asked whatever

tardy cloud
strange estuary
#

Nexo really doesn't do junk lol

#

okay wait let me rephrase before I get attacked

blazing oar
#

Lol

tardy cloud
#

nexo is great, but the tech behind it is nothing spectacular. there's been other plugins doing it for over 5 years

strange estuary
#

I should say, "nexo doesn't do anything special" besides convenience

tardy cloud
#

except for all that new stuff xd

strange estuary
#

it's smart, it's handy, it's great

#

but it's just a gateway of convenience

solar sinew
#

plugin is worth as much as people are willing to pay, the work behind it isn't valued

blazing oar
solar sinew
#

let's not bring in deontological arguments for something's value in a very much capitalism system

blazing oar
strange estuary
#

however they valued it the way they wanted to

#

and it's probably the smartest move

#

if you get 1000 customers at $20 vs 250 customers at $40

blazing oar
#

I have spoken with boy about this lol

strange estuary
#

you're making more and get more eyes on it

blazing oar
#

I can 100% confirm the price is not set because he WANTS to

strange estuary
#

I mean I'm sure that's true

#

but business standpoint?

#

he's making more..

#

so I don't get that

blazing oar
#

He is forced to do it

tardy cloud
#

if i ever sell a plugin then i'd like to sell it for 60 bucks too, but it's a luxury and not something people really need

blazing oar
#

He could be getting way more if the prices werent set at such a low value

#

Lol

solar sinew
#

believing that something should be worth more because more effort was put into it is kind of a naive idea for these things

blazing oar
#

If 40 was the norm, it would be 40

tardy cloud
#

some people might buy it, but more people buy the plugin if it's a lower value thus earning more money

tardy cloud
strange estuary
#

becasue hosting is cheap

blazing oar
#

But 20 is the norm because it has always been the limit imposed by spigot

#

Hence, I blame spigot

strange estuary
#

this is cheap that is cheap

#

everything is cheap in the mc space

tardy cloud
#

i think in a few years it'll be a lot different

#

spigot is becoming obsolete anyway

strange estuary
#

there's just way too many undervalued aspects

tardy cloud
#

modelengine is 40 bucks xd

strange estuary
#

to make plugins worth more

blazing oar
tardy cloud
blazing oar
#

Yup

tardy cloud
#

so thats a good thing right?

blazing oar
#

For them yes

#

But the general market is still stuck in the past

#

Lol

tardy cloud
#

yeah fair

#

but it's not like you cannot earn any money

blazing oar
#

Never said you cannot

tardy cloud
#

if you sell a plugin for 10 bucks, and 250 people buy it

strange estuary
blazing oar
#

Just said the time you spend is better soent elsewhere

strange estuary
#

OH you highlighted the 10/month one

#

yeah uh, you're never getting away from those people

#

I was 11 once making a server too

tardy cloud
blazing oar
tardy cloud
#

atleast, i'd rather make minecraft plugins than make a website

strange estuary
#

yeah it's rare I was looking at the wrong msg

tardy cloud
#

but thats preference

blazing oar
#

Fair I guess

#

I am hopeful Hangar will become the norm

strange estuary
#

it wont

#

the norm is the norm

#

lol

blazing oar
#

The norm changes lol

strange estuary
#

spigot may be declining but it's still gonna stay the norm

blazing oar
#

Spigot was once the norm

#

Lol

#

Look at it now

tardy cloud
strange estuary
#

Idk I'm skeptical, norms don't change often at all

blazing oar
#

Spigot is most definitely not the norm anymore

tardy cloud
#

they kinda do

#

first it was bukkit, then spigot, now paper

#

server software wise

blazing oar
strange estuary
#

Well software wise

#

I mean plugin forums

blazing oar
#

Paper has existed for yeats

#

The norm took years to change

tardy cloud
#

the norm for marketplaces has been spigot for a long time yeah

strange estuary
#

I just meant plugin forums

#

not software

tardy cloud
#

spigot just has to fuck up or give up

#

then the norm will change quickly

#

XD

blazing oar
#

Either way, I think Hangar is the future, specially if they add paid plugins support (which is kinda planned)

tardy cloud
#

Polymart & MCModels are good alternative marketplaces right now

blazing oar
#

Also the reason I am investing a lot of my free time contributing to hangar

#

I believe in the project

#

And it will be awesome if they force paid plugins to be open sourced

#

God that would be sooo nice

#

But not realistic

tardy cloud
#

I'd never put my plugin on there then XD

blazing oar
#

They wont do it xd

long jasper
blazing oar
#

The only thing I am pretty sure they will force paid plugins to do is to not be obfuscated (unless it is needed like anticheats)

violet gyro
#

did they ever fully say they wont do paid plugins?

tardy cloud
blazing oar
violet gyro
#

still praying they'd allow them but i guess thats a utopia

#

oh thats sick

tardy cloud
#

ofcourse it isn't waterproof, but obfuscating does make it harder

violet gyro
#

there has to be some new standard soon enough

#

modrinth, polymart, spigot, hangar and mcmodels is just too much

tardy cloud
#

paid plugin support on modrinth would also be cool

blazing oar
long jasper
tardy cloud
#

almost no plugins

violet gyro
#

most open source ones do

#

oh sick level up

blazing oar
#

Just saif that is the only reason it should matter

violet gyro
#

i dont even have gplv3 i believe

#

might have to change that

strange estuary
#

everythings so loose in the mc space

#

could care less

blazing oar
#

Besides, the paper team are big advocates for "you paid for the software, you should have access to it fully" (from what I gathered)

strange estuary
#

code is nice and all but I never expect to get it just because I bought the attached product

#

I probably should.. but it just won't happen

tardy cloud
#

99% of people buying plugins do NOT care about source

strange estuary
#

heck I work for a plugin as a support agent, bot hthe free and prem version don't have open source

blazing oar
strange estuary
#

got plenty of people asking for it, people who want to pay money for it, still no

blazing oar
tardy cloud
#

for paid plugins atleast

blazing oar
#

Paper's team does not honestly care much about what the norm is... they want to do what is right.

strange estuary
blazing oar
#

I am fine with no open source

strange estuary
#

plus way easier to crack, no?

blazing oar
#

But if it is not open source, then no obfuscation

tardy cloud
#

i can agree on obfuscation I guess, but that would make it easier to crack

blazing oar
#

I should be able to access the code of the software I bought if I want to

tardy cloud
#

it's not really like that anywhere

blazing oar
#

Cracking has existed for years

tardy cloud
#

buying a game is not neccessarily owning the source

#

that's why cracking exists

strange estuary
#

tbf all devs wouldn't obfuscate if cracks weren't dumb

tardy cloud
#

you're describing a utopia

blazing oar
#

And FY, by the GPL license, you are allowed to redistribute it lol

strange estuary
#

people who crack plugins are morons

tardy cloud
#

i'm aware

blazing oar
#

(Well not all GPL licenses ofc)

tardy cloud
#

i looked into it a couple weeks ago

#

but its not enforced

blazing oar
#

It is not

#

But you can license your plugin under a GPL compatible license and enforce it yourself

strange estuary
#

When cracks go away everything will be open source

blazing oar
#

Lol

#

Cracks will always exist

strange estuary
#

exactly

violet gyro
#

is there a list of gpl compatible licenses

strange estuary
#

so the choice of open source and obfuscation will always exist

#

👀

blazing oar
#

At the cost of your consumer rights?

fading grove
#

What else would you need

strange estuary
#

I don't blame devs for doing either as long as they aren't gatekeeping just to gatekeep

violet gyro
blazing oar
#

Speaking of consumer rights, in the EU I am pretty sure I am legally allowed to have access to the code of what I bought.

And before anyone says "what about games", you don't buy games, you buy a license to play them

strange estuary
#

good on the EU tbh

violet gyro
#

dont you also buy a license on spigot

strange estuary
#

love their laws

tardy cloud
#

you also buy licenses to use the plugin

#

lol

violet gyro
#

or is that just mcmodels

tardy cloud
#

polymart aswell if i'm correct

blazing oar
#

Depending on the platform, yes

#

You are right

fading grove
#

I recently talked to someone and they said Axiom violated the EU law

blazing oar
#

So it does depend on implementation

strange estuary
#

you use to actually own the media you bought

#

🤯

violet gyro
#

EU consumer laws are really nice

tardy cloud
#

no they're not

#

i want iphone mirroring

#

;((

blazing oar
#

Either way, I stand with no obfuscation, open source not required but preferred

strange estuary
#

(I count discs as owning the game, not a license to play)

violet gyro
#

thats the data law Sad

tardy cloud
#

i need it

tardy cloud
#

;(((((

blazing oar
tardy cloud
violet gyro
#

i just want the eu to enforce upgradable macbooks

blazing oar
#

You'd do yourself a 2 favors in one

tardy cloud
#

i love my macbook

#

and my iphone

strange estuary
#

I mean

#

the devices are nice

violet gyro
#

the devices are really nice

strange estuary
#

but everyones always gonna have gripes on both

#

lol

blazing oar
#

Yeah

violet gyro
#

they just fuck you over financially

blazing oar
#

Anyways dont wanna go into iphone vs android

#

Lol

strange estuary
#

yeah their prices are stupid

violet gyro
#

especially macbook upgrade prices

#

that's just abuse of power

strange estuary
#

their phones cost nothing to make and they still want to charge 1,600

lime torrent
#

(So never)

blazing oar
#

To the mods: I did not start the iphone vs android drama

tardy cloud
#

tbh, the prices aren't that high

fading grove
lime torrent
#

I go poof now

fading grove
#

I see a mod author using it

tardy cloud
#

i bought a macbook for 500 bucks, it works better than any other (more expensive) windows laptop I ever got

fading grove
#

while using many GPL deps

violet gyro
#

ill also not go into the mac vs windows and ihpone vs android thing

#

it isnt worth it

tardy cloud
#

i love both for what they are

violet gyro
#

ill let everyone like what they like

tardy cloud
#

i use windows for gaming, mac for coding

strange estuary
#

let's just agree all tech sucks

#

😎

tardy cloud
#

lets go back to using waterwheels

strange estuary
#

fr

#

I'm down

tardy cloud
#

and pigeons

violet gyro
#

smoke signals were fire ngl

strange estuary
#

subscriptions not existing was so cool

tardy cloud
#

i sometimes wish i was a ooga booga man drawing on rocks tbh

trim raft
#

happy bday Discord 🙂

vagrant pike
#

thx

rapid viper
#

Making a island survival server, your stranded on an island in the middle of the ocean. Do you guys have any ideas for features I could add? Looking to make it as unique and enjoyable as possible

crimson depot
#

Hello!

#

I need some help... i have a itemsadder plugin and i need to add a custom overlay to my GUI

carmine wyvern
rapid viper
analog marlin
trail wave
naive agate
#

Hey @nocturne sundial your #showcase post was removed!

trail wave
#

DIY/FIY 💔 😔

winter compass
strange estuary
#

The new snapshot dialogue thing is pretty cool

#

It's a shame they made them so limited though

#

And I feel like they won't make them any less limited

strange estuary
#

Does anyone have any like, optimization guides for minigame type servers?

#

I know there's tons out there for survival type servers but, not totally sure what's best for minigame servers

kind sorrel
#

minigames probably have far more mechanic-specific things to consider

strange estuary
#

That's very true

true stirrup
#

But if you figure out more specific optimizations id love to hear abt them too

analog marlin
#

probably possible to disable mechanics like redstone entirely if your game doesnt need it

strange estuary
#

Is paper still the way to go with mini games?

#

I would assume so.. I tend not to go for anything past paper

#

I hear purpur is solid but Ive always stick to paper no matter what

true stirrup
#

with most performance paper forks ive not really noticed major differences as a non mega technical player

#

id say just test

#

Dont know how performant is leaf but can try that too over purpur

kind sorrel
#

you either have no noticeable improvements or hacky stuff that breaks sooner or later

uneven tree
#

i think using a modern java version has also made most java stuff run more performant, for example the improvements of their garbage collectors

primal moss
#

a

blazing oar
#

indeed

#

although if ya reallllyyyyy care about performance and wanna do a minigame server

#

minestom is a blessing

#

but that would require doing everything from the ground up

boreal escarp
#

Any ergonomic chair recommendation? Ideally below 1500€. I spend a lot of time on a chair (ik, nothing special) and I could use something good.
I looked at some of the chair from ikea that many people from Romania recommend, they are like < 200€ but I don't like any. Heimmer Miller whatever is a bit out of my budget.

frank pasture
#

£700, so good (oh it’s £550 now on discount)

#

Had this over 2 years now, worth it a million percent. So comfy, and some have said it’s better than the expensive Aeron

vague shoal
#

d

boreal escarp
#

Damn, no head rest

slim bone
#

Hello!
I'm a software developer with over 7+ years experience.
My main stack is Java, Node.js, Python and modern web frameworks like React, Vue.js, Django.
Now, I'm digging into AI automation and ML.
I'm looking for a job.

long peak
mellow zinc
#

ive legit never used my head rest

boreal escarp
#

I use it mostly when I play games or simply stay relaxed. I just don't like resting my head on the plastic side of the chair. I got a similar design at work and I despite them 😢

full atlas
#

You people aren't laying down in your chairs???

long peak
#

got used to it in a day lol

frank pasture
silver rain
strange estuary
#

nah, it's great, but it just isn't for 95% of servers lol

full atlas
#

I lay it back when waiting, games, downloads, watching etc...

slim bone
#

Is there anyone who can share my private idea?

vagrant pike
#

I cant because its private

#

and I don't know it

slim bone
vagrant pike
#

im ok

slim bone
slim bone
ember moss
#

dang, someone's looking for an entire earth map

#

wish my pc was better. I'd so take on that job HAHAHAHA

#

my little laptop would insta die

trail wave
#

💔

strange estuary
trail wave
strange estuary
trail wave
strange estuary
#

oh my bad, IT WASNT YOU

trail wave
#

I use a bean bag

pulsar edge
#

🤨

grand dirge
#

o

full atlas
#

On Linux mint, I set it to auto login... why the fuck do i still need to enter my password to do shit?

#

Like just opening the browser...

#

Also makes popping sounds through my laptops speakers.
Randomly and I figured out it also does it when I log out.

vagrant pike
#

because auto login does not mean you will not be prompted to enter your password to actually do tasks on your system

true stirrup
#

not sure tho

grand dirge
#

u gotta bear it

#

u'll get the hang of it

#

soon maybe

light scaffold
#

Just remove the password entirely at that point

young mortar
#

Use a non-Ubuntu-based distro lol

boreal escarp
vagrant pike
#

cadru negru 😳

boreal escarp
#

Lmao

#

It means black body (the plastic part)

trim raft
#

Best current Mega Sale Discounts on Epic Games Store:

• The Witcher 3 ($20 → $4)
• GTA 5 Enhanced ($30 → $15)
• Red Dead Redemption 2 ($60 → $15)
• Alan Wake 1 Remaster ($8 → $1)
• Alan Wake 2 Deluxe ($63 → $25)
• God of War ($40 → $16)
• Cyberpunk ($53 → $21)

strange estuary
#

to get the game and both expansions for what like $60 is even crazier.. what a steal

ember moss
#

ponzi scheme detected

magic summit
#

@woven prairie Mind dealing with this?

analog marlin
#

what if i am 118

#

is there a max age

full atlas
#

I want the password cause I like the security however if I set it to auto login... I expect it to do so lol

#

I still logout when I dont use it but when it first boots it's just an annoyance.

sullen sorrel
#

Huh

#

Sorry I don't use Linux but what's the point of a password if u want it to always auto login

#

Or does it only ask the password on boot and logout?

analog marlin
#

that being said i dont see why they would ask for it for the browser, seems like a silly default

sullen sorrel
#

Right

full atlas
#

I want it to auto login when I start the pc, which it does and use the password when I want (when i logout).

untold ocean
#

yo

analog marlin
#

yo

trail wave
pulsar sun
#

@velvet eagle you'll most likely only be able to fix the issues if you contact the anticheat devs, I don't think configurating the ac would help out much #1367769665346207744 message

trail wave
#

how hard is making minecraft plugins if you're a beginner

vagrant pike
#

depends

trail wave
long summit
#

On how much of Java you know and what plugins you want to make

magic summit
#

A simple plugin that sends text on command is a lot easier than f.e. aminigame plugin.

#

It also depends what stuff you want/need to use as there could be API differences too

trail wave
#

ic

vagrant pike
#

well, most has been said, but yes, if you want to make a Listener and a Command, then it's fairly simple if you follow some sort of guide.
everyone started as a beginner, it really depends how much time you are willing to sacrifice to learn, granted coding is not for everyone and the time it takes to learn how to code (minecraft plugins) may greatly vary.

magic summit
#

Ye. Took me a good while (and advice from others) to get my main plugin to where it is now.

steel reef
#

ngl i genuinely dont like coding. Tried coding a stardew valley discord bot one time. I got stuck in databses stuff

#

so

#

yes

magic summit
#

Database stuff is eh

#

I kinda want to add database support in my plugin, but I just can't think about how

magic summit
#

By using the keyboard

long summit
analog marlin
#

krill issue

strange estuary
#

Animated roles are here

#

Seems like they are still rolling this out but, cool

trail wave
strange estuary
torn heron
#

hi

unreal venture
strange estuary
#

we want that on all level roles

#

😔

#

besides green

#

those normies, bleh (kidding)

trim raft
#

free month of Nitro on epic games

#

cant post the link cuz of stupid barry

strange estuary
#

I can find it if you can’t, just not on pc rn

trim raft
#

DMed

strange estuary
#

I don't think I can use it since I've had nitro before but sick

strange estuary
#

really? I probs did something wrong then, didn't get nothing xD

sullen sorrel
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

this is like my 5th free trial lol

strange estuary
#

oh nvm I'm just dumb

#

let's gooo

sullen sorrel
#

lol

chilly oracle
#

Hello

lone otter
#

1.21.6 dialog feature looks fire i think it's going to replace chest guis

#

idk maybe it looks bad if the ui flicker on click action

strange estuary
#

Too many limitations

#

And it showing you the command it’ll execute is so ugly

#

very cool addition but I hope they do better with it

young mortar
#

yeah and just having the ability to display items would be a 1000x improvement

young mortar
#

oh shit, just figured you could only do buttons like that

strange estuary
#

Nahhh you can do items and blocks

young mortar
#

haven't looked into it that much, but that's actually pretty sweet

strange estuary
#

Heck yeah

#

I hope they continue the idea

young mortar
#

now we just need a sexy kotlin DSL to make them instead of 10 million json files

strange estuary
#

Right now it seems geared towards adventure maps

#

If they can gear it slightly towards servers

#

It’ll be perfect

muted fern
strange estuary
#

Do you need like an extra 3 boosts per month?

young mortar
#

damn funnyrectangle actually reads all messages? wild world

strange estuary
#

Or just like.. 3 boosts one time and you get it idk

lime torrent
#

And doom

strange estuary
#

doom is expected

young mortar
#

good server owner confirmed

strange estuary
#

But minesweeper sweet

lime torrent
#

Ya

muted fern
#

@honest thistle how rude is @young mortar

honest thistleBOT
young mortar
#

awe yeah

#

barry's got my back

lime torrent
strange estuary
#

@honest thistle is funny trapezoid funny

muted fern
#

imagine not having permission

young mortar
#

he doesn't respond to anybody below leve 70

strange estuary
muted fern
strange estuary
#

that’s so ugly of Barry

young mortar