off-topic

[proper jungle]

that looks like this:

yourMethod {
  yourRunnableHere();
}

and Objects are singleton classes

which is so useful

[blazing oar]

any ideas? Kotlin does sound appealing, it just scary to move to an "unknown" space, specially when I am already at a certain level and want to try to do more complex stuff with java. I am not sure moving to kotlin and doing those with it is a good idea.

Feels like I would be strapped to a rocket and go from 0 to the moon

[proper jungle]

Ive started learning kotlin like 8 months ago

[long summit]

Here you can see the difference, it's just really the inlining

[proper jungle]

got into it after like 2 weeks

but understood it more in dept in like 4 months?

you can literally code in kotlin as you do in Java

and slowly you find new features & such

and tips, etc.

[long summit]

Yeah start off writing it like you do in Java, then slowly move to a more "Kotlin idiomatic" way

[proper jungle]

oh I see now

[blazing oar]

can I compile mc plugins straight away with kotlin or do I need a library?

[proper jungle]

This really helped me to get into it. I havent read any docs, etc. Ive just tried to create classes in Kt and code as I did in Java and slowly realized that this does not work, etc. And searched up why

which taught me

[long summit]

Kotlin gradle plugin (same way you'd add the java gradle plugin) and shading the kotlin std lib

[proper jungle]

Yes you can keep it in Kotlin

but you need to add kotlin std8 to libraries in plugin.yml

otherwise thats it

[blazing oar]

alreay use kotlin dsl so I guess only missing kotlin

isn't that one hella of a size bump?

[proper jungle]

how so?

why would it

you dont have to compile the lib

as mentioned just put it into plugin.yml

[long summit]

The std lib is like 1mb depending on what you use

[proper jungle]

its a few MBs I believe?

yea

[blazing oar]

oh it is a lib?

[vague walrus]

I prefer depending on a library that provides the stdlibs tbh, but yeah not huge

[blazing oar]

I guess I can even use paper loaders

xD

[proper jungle]

what? Why?

[long summit]

Standard library, every language has it

Java's is just included in the jdk

[vague walrus]

So I don't have to provide the stdlibs in 20 spots

[proper jungle]

now am confused

why would you need to provide it on 20 spots?

[vague walrus]

Different plugins

[proper jungle]

its literally just 1 line

in builds kts

[long summit]

Honestly I hate that, specially on mods, I download a mod and boom I need to download 5 other dependencies
I much prefer a single jar and be done with it

[vague walrus]

They each would provide stdlib

[proper jungle]

thats not tru

bcs you can just put it into libraries in plugin.yml

and then you do not have to compile it

[vague walrus]

I don't use bukkit idk

[proper jungle]

oh I see

ye idk how it is abt mods

bukkit itself can install libraries

so this is something that you dont have to care abt

[blazing oar]

funnily enough, was about to convert a small project to kotlin to see the changes, and intellij even adds it automatically

[long summit]

IJ's conversion is really bad though

[proper jungle]

yea

dont really do that

just try to do it all manually

[blazing oar]

I mean, better than nothing just to see a bit of the changes myself

not gonna use it

[long summit]

It'll make everything nullable and mutable and all sorts of stuff for no reason

[proper jungle]

yea

[vague walrus]

I get it for single projects, but if I have multiple then it just makes sense.
And frankly modern mod Launchers will automatically install deps, I hardly think this is a dev ended problem

[proper jungle]

its not even great for learning tbh

[long summit]

Better to look at your Java code and write it in Kotlin on your own so you learn the differences

[proper jungle]

many times the code can be so simplified

[blazing oar]

what in the world is a companion object?

[proper jungle]

static

you put your static methods & fields into companion object

[blazing oar]

oh

[proper jungle]

Matt? How can anyone pull the Repo to his Gitbook tho?

is there any way?

[long summit]

it's not exactly static, but yes if it makes it easier to understand think of it that way

[blazing oar]

not having ; somehow triggers me but I know that is a gift from heaven

lmao

[proper jungle]

or the changes can be only done thru GH

[vague walrus]

It's optional, so you can

[proper jungle]

well I havent used it much

[long summit]

There is a bot you authorize and any changes from github are pended on the web ui so you can accept and publish, and vice versa, if you commit on the web ui the bot commits to the repo

[proper jungle]

Ive got it synced with GH already

but can someone else pull it to his Gitbook tho?

and make the changes thru Gitbook and send the changes to GH which creates the PR

I cannot test it myself as am owner of it

[long summit]

They'd fork your repo, commit, pull request, you accept it and commit to main and then it's pulled into gitbook

[blazing oar]

(Well if that doesn't work out for u, I will happily host docusaurus for u)

[proper jungle]

Oh I see now

okay it has to be forked first, yea

[long summit]

Unless they have write access yeah

[blazing oar]

think what he is asking is if others can fork it, sync it with their own gitbooks, do the change in the web ui, and then pull request

[long summit]

no

They can't see it in the gitbook ui

[proper jungle]

ffs

thats quite bad

kind of

but fair enough ig

[long summit]

All changes by others has to be done in the github, sounds bad but it's fine

[proper jungle]

yea I see

[blazing oar]

No but like, their own gitbook?

that doesnt work?

[long summit]

If you pay

[blazing oar]

they setup their own personal gitbook, separate from the original

I dont see how that wouldn't work?

you are not using the web ui from the main gitbook

[long summit]

Sounds like a nightmare to do that but sure if you're willing to try lol

[proper jungle]

yea

[long summit]

You'd have to configure both projects very similar

[proper jungle]

bcs you would need to setup the gitbook by urself

yea

[blazing oar]

yea

[proper jungle]

I mean it works

but

its not great solution

xD

[blazing oar]

Well, I guess my adventure with kotlin shall start after my exams.

[long summit]

And it might not even work without committing wrong files when doing a pr because some config files generated might be unique

[blazing oar]

might finally understand matt after this xD

[vague walrus]

lmaooo

[long summit]

Yup, it has been against TOS for years MD5 doesn't care

[blazing oar]

uh?

what....

I am confused

[vague walrus]

Afonso has me muted, so they think you're talking about them.

[long summit]

Maven Central asks uses to not pull from central constantly and instead use a proxy to cache whatever is downloaded

[blazing oar]

libraries? are you speaking with someone else or me?

[long summit]

I am talking about Spigot's labraries download feature

[blazing oar]

oh okay, I assume with grandpa or zodd xD

all good, was a bit confused

[blazing oar]

aren't paper loaders also against it technically?

I mean, they do allow the use of private repos, but they also allow maven central

[long summit]

Paper loaders?

[blazing oar]

https://docs.papermc.io/paper/dev/getting-started/paper-plugins#loaders

[blazing oar]

kinda outdated since I am pretty sure they allow non maven repos too now like jitpack, etc.

[long summit]

Uh probably, if you're getting the library from maven central it is against tos, if you are getting it from yours then it's not

[blazing oar]

yeah

[long summit]

When Yugi and I were working on SlimJar which is basically the same, we asked them and they told us it was against TOS so we just setup a reposilite as a proxy to cache everything

But I guess it's too much work for Spigot

[blazing oar]

xD

So you were caching maven?

or just requested ones?

[long summit]

The libraries yes

Just the requested ones

[blazing oar]

like jitpack kinda does (I think)

[long summit]

Omg I don't think I could pay for enough storage to cache all

[blazing oar]

yeah def not haha

[blazing oar]

it appears for paper too

unless they do it under the hood and we dont know

[long summit]

Well paper at least lets you use other repos

So it falls more on the dev for using central than on them

[magic summit]

Always was the case

Just make your own Library loader instance.

[blazing oar]

yeah ik

but not documented

was just pointing that out

[magic summit]

correct it then :^)

[blazing oar]

will add it to my todo list with 200 other stuff

AFTER my exams

xd

[proper jungle]

https://mrlarkyy.gitbook.io/aquaticlib

bro that has taken a while

xDDD

literally 40 minutes to write down docs about AquaticString

pain

[blazing oar]

xD, I guess a lot more to go? Could try using AI

might help a bit

[proper jungle]

We have already tried

it really out

[blazing oar]

But thanks a ton for taking the time for documenting it either way.

[proper jungle]

well I havent told that imma finish it

LOL

but I will eventually need to make it

bcs my devs are using the lib

[blazing oar]

good point.

xD

[young mortar]

if you use a Paper plugin, you can use any repository instead of Maven Central

i just use that and have my repository mirror Maven Central so that I don't break ToS but still load libraries 😌

or I guess if you really cared you could manually download the jar and sha and put it in the libraries folder of your server, then it wouldn't even talk to Maven Central

[blazing oar]

I guess after I start understanding kotlin I may be able to understand the library with docs? Maybe? Idk. Your library is just perfect for what I wanna do in the future.

[proper jungle]

well the lib is very complex

[blazing oar]

I see that xD

[proper jungle]

and really complicated at some point too

[blazing oar]

Well, it is either that or doing one myself

don't think there are any other libraries that handle multiblocks, interactables, or simply packet based blocks like yours

[proper jungle]

well its mainly hard to understand why X,Y things are done like so

for example

[blazing oar]

the biggest thing for me is the fact they are packets, huge thing if you want several players to be in the same location but see several different things.

[proper jungle]

Ive got the interactables, right

Aaaand Ive made it so each interactable type can be temp/persistent & real/packet

so basically Ive had to make it bit uh

bit more logic complicated I would say

Ive created WorldObject

which is a virtual Object that is cached in World

on defined location

and can be also persistent

there's automatic serialization when chunk w the location loads

& it does support children

So basically Ive separated caching & serialization from Interactables

and moved it to WorldObjects

and now each interactable has its own WorldObject instance that is as a Base

here you got bit of java code

please ignore the code quality xD

it is way more simple now, I just did not do the changes

however as you can see there's the Base instance created in the Interactable initialization

    override fun spawn(location: Location, register: Boolean): AbstractSpawnedInteractable<*> {
        val spawnedBase = base.create(location)
        val spawnedInteractable = SpawnedBlockInteractable(location, this, spawnedBase as SpawnedInteractableBase<*>)
        return spawn(spawnedBase, spawnedInteractable, register)
    }

    override fun spawnPacket(
        location: Location,
        audienceList: AudienceList,
        register: Boolean
    ): AbstractSpawnedPacketInteractable<*> {
        val spawnedBase = base.create(location)
        val spawnedInteractable =
            SpawnedPacketBlockInteractable(audienceList, location, this, spawnedBase as SpawnedInteractableBase<*>)
        return spawn(spawnedBase, spawnedInteractable, register)
    }

    private fun <T : SpawnedInteractable<*>> spawn(
        spawnedBase: SpawnedInteractableBase<*>,
        spawnedInteractable: T,
        register: Boolean
    ): T {
        spawnedBase.appliedInteractables += id to spawnedInteractable
        val wo = spawnedBase.worldObject
        if (register) {
            save(wo, spawnedBase, spawnedInteractable)
        }
        registerChildren(spawnedInteractable, spawnedBase)

        WorldObjectHandler.registerSpawnedObject(spawnedBase)
        return spawnedInteractable
    }

& then there are methods "spawn" & "spawnPacket"

which then uses the base

so ye Ive had to think abt the logic quite a bit

and I can imagine that this can be incredibly hard to understand

[blazing oar]

it is

xD

I guess this could be easier if you used pdc on the chunk, with the data of the block, the thing is, these are packet based blocks, so, that does not really work xD

[proper jungle]

well

Ive used PDC on the chunk

but this does not really help

bcs if you want to support both TEMP & Persistent Objects

and then both Real & Packet based

then it kind of has to be somewhat like this

[blazing oar]

Fair

So you use PDC for packet based too?

[proper jungle]

yes

bcs packet based are meant to be visible to just some players, right

so basically it just creates an audience list

which is empty

and you can make it show to some players

however I dont think thats gonna be used

like I cannot find this useful

however it is possible

[blazing oar]

I literally have an use case for this

Lmao

Imagine you want different buildings to show on the same location, for different players

For instance, plots

Instead of having a world with plots, etc. Just have a single plot and all players use the same but is all packet based.

Ofc this is not practical maybe, but you can make other similar stuff for different gamemodes

[raven sable]

hello

i dont know if is the right channel, but i have issue with my server.. i created it last year and now its doesnt let me change the name

[long summit]

Not sure if by server you mean discord server but if it is then not only it is the wrong channel but the wrong discord server entirely :')

?not-discord

[honest thistle]

FAQ Answer:

Looking for discord support?
HelpChat is a Minecraft plugin and development support server and is not affiliated with discord in any way.
If you require support from discord, we recommend you to visit their official support website at https://support.discord.com
On this website, you can read their FAQs, or open a support ticket if necessary.

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[blazing oar]

@long summit funnily enough might learn kotlin while also learning minestom xD

sounds like a Win / Win situation

On a side note, doesn't MCCI use minestom somewhere?

[long summit]

Yeah, on the limbo server

[blazing oar]

Do they actually use paper or a fork of it on prod? I'd assume they could easily cut costs by a ton using minestom everywhere.

Although I guess that is a lot of extra work.

[long summit]

Custom fork of paper
Cut costs? It'd add a lot more cost since you'd have to re-write so much

[blazing oar]

Yeah, meant hosting costs xD. That is literally what is currently really appealing to me in minestom, since I have an idea of an MC project that MAYBE work, but I do not want to monetize a ton, so cutting hosting costs is 100% needed.

Hell for my use case, each instance in minestom would be a few KB in comparaison to paper where if I were to do it, it would be whole worlds lol.

• paper cannot handle that many NPCs lol

I wanna do this project more for fun, but if I ever need to scale it, I really want it to be easy to scale

lol

[blazing oar]

Hell, Minestom people dislike kotlin

xD

[boreal escarp]

Is the hassle really worth it? Wom't you have to write basically every plugin?

[wary willow]

Anyone here can recommend me a shader pack that is lightweight and works with Distant Horizons 2.2? I found Complementary but it doesn't seem to work with 2.2 (I have tried both unbound and reimagined)

[young mortar]

I really like Sildur’s Vibrant

[vagrant pike]

Solas maybe?

oh, lightweight, not sure abt that

[wary willow]

Hmm. Just tried the light version and it doesn't seem to work with DH 2.2. The shader works but seems DH doesn't. This is how the game looks with Bliss. It isn't the worse at performance, and it looks decent but I don't like the transparent leaves.

[unreal venture]

for a second i thought this was a pic from irl

bruh

why it looks so realistic

[naive agate]

same LMAO

[blazing oar]

it is a fully custom gamemode lol

so yes? I guess?

Also way more performant

[boreal escarp]

cool

[vagrant pike]

can anyone recommend a relatively cheap monitor stand for two 27inch monitors? (not necessarily a dual, I will probably buy two of them)
the issue is I cant drill a hole inside it, nor I have space for a clamp
closest way I can describe the edge of the table is if you take the letter L and mirror it horizontally (it has a back board or whatever)
so, basically, I need something that would connect the arm and I could attach the plate to the back board from the back

[wary willow]

The shader looks great but the insane render distance makes it even greater

[magic summit]

https://fxtwitter.com/mikeklubnika/status/1828452449473937906

That's... something I guess

[naive agate]

@fallow crow No bumping in our service channels!

[strange jetty]

@vernal root md

[magic summit]

@arctic cobalt A lot of grey in that scoreboard. Makes it hard to actually see what is important: The values.

[arctic cobalt]

Ah good point, the main color theme of the server is brown-grey so i figured it should fit with the scoreboard

Unsure what colors to replace it for to not make it too distracting either though

[magic summit]

Grey and white?

[strange estuary]

^ Totally agree here, everything else about it is pretty sick, just needs more coloration

[arctic cobalt]

👍 ❤️ will work on it thank you

[strange estuary]

You got it!

[atomic lichen]

@strange estuary aaaa that ranks fits so well

i cannot

[strange estuary]

Thank you!! I didn’t make them my buddy did but I made the font :D

[atomic lichen]

amazing job

🤩

[strange estuary]

💜

Small caps when it matches other symbols in the game is unparalleled

[atomic lichen]

i actually want this

🥺

love the brackets

[iron heart]

Heyy Together... I joined here to find some help for working with resourcepacks and "invisible characters" is this a server where i can ask for help?

[naive agate]

#minecraft

[iron heart]

Thanks!

[worldly pike]

old mc sigma rizzed a gyatt

skibidi ohio

and on that gyatt there was a alpha

skibidi ohio

with a alpha

and a alpha there

alpha here alpha there alpha everywhere

old mc sigma rizzed a gyatt, skibidi ohio

[trim raft]

SQUIRREL with a gun is out on steam!!!!

[lime torrent]

Bro I played it

It’s so much fun

[naive agate]

wtf

what is it

[lime torrent]

totally didn’t rage a bit but it was fun

Adam check it out

It’s a lot of fun

You’re a literal squirrel with a gun

[naive agate]

def not paying $18 bucks for such a game

[lime torrent]

LOL

[naive agate]

that will last 3 days

[lime torrent]

Fairs

[naive agate]

my homies trying to force me to buy BO6

[lime torrent]

Oof

[naive agate]

andddd its not looking so appealing tbh

[lime torrent]

Borderlands 4 got announced too recently

[naive agate]

tbh gaming got boring

[lime torrent]

Agreed

[naive agate]

been playing battlefield 1

[lime torrent]

Games are fun for a bit

[naive agate]

with blitz

[lime torrent]

Till they get boring

[naive agate]

yaa 100%

[lime torrent]

I mean it’s mainly my little getaway from doing content design/development all the time

[boreal escarp]

The last games I've played are TLOU 2 and GOW: Ragnarok... several months ago

[lime torrent]

Then I get bored and go back to it anyway

[naive agate]

been a few weeks since I gamed

actually I played PUBG but my PC taking a shit

[lime torrent]

Rip

[boreal escarp]

I was thinking to start playing GTA 4

Randomly I heard it is a great game though

But I don't really have time and now it makes me feel bad if I game for 6 hours straight adulthood sucks (and I don't even have a kid or big bills to pay yet lol)

[naive agate]

hahaha

[vagrant pike]

i remember trying to play it with my old shitty pc

[naive agate]

I got so bored of gaming

[vagrant pike]

shit is hella unoptimized

[naive agate]

ill be back for gta6

in 6 years

[vagrant pike]

if you really wanna try I recommend installing some mods that fixes a lot of its issues, for example:
https://youtu.be/2Gfd9lQGrxg?si=JV4lrZzmxeQYoEuo

this has some gameplay mods, but I saw a video with only mods that only fixes things (prob from this guy too)

[strange estuary]

DONT.

[naive agate]

why

[strange estuary]

I can't take them serious trying to claim 16 unique maps on launch is impressive

When they have 500 GB's to work with and their game 10+ years ago had 13 unique maps on launch

[strange estuary]

It's bringing back the same matchmaking so basically you'll get paired with noobs until you win a bunch of games, then you'll get paired with good players and think you suck so it'll make you think of buying skins, then the process repeats, etc

Some of the maps are literally just taken from another affiliate company so it's not even going to have like actually unique maps

And there's just a bunch of issues I have with COD in general after seeing some videos of how modern COD operates

I forget all the things I saw but it just looks like COD cash grab #32

Backed with nostalgia to make up for how shallow it's going to most likely be

[atomic lichen]

that's actually cool

[sturdy bobcat]

#showcase message i dont want to upvote nor downvote since i hold a middleground, although it looks nice, the general concept of server wide fonts are pretty bad in my opinion, they create a layer of accessibility issues that just cannot be overridden

[strange estuary]

Yeah I see what you mean, but what accessibility features do you sense would come with this change?

I’m typically not a big fan of server wide fonts myself, but the development process is way easier from that change and it’s also just a pretty looking thing in game lol

[blazing oar]

Not all players like it though

that should be an option, not forced

[strange estuary]

I know the general issues a new font causes but this font is pretty similar to the vanilla one so

[strange estuary]

Can’t make it an option lol

At least, not this way

[blazing oar]

well, players can always download their own resourcepacks?

[sturdy bobcat]

server resource pack will always overwrite

[strange estuary]

Yeah but our pack will always hold top priority no?

yep

[sturdy bobcat]

the only option is having two separate resource packs which is a lot of work

[blazing oar]

on a side note, couldn't you simple make a lambo server, make them choose which version, then depending on that you send them a different resourcepack?

idk, might just be dreaming, kinda sleepy af

[strange estuary]

I mean you can yeah

I think so anyway

[blazing oar]

well, they will download the resourcepack IF they want that font, not the other way around

[solar sinew]

can't you make separate fonts

or does item stuff not work with text components like that

i forgor

[blazing oar]

pretty sure that is literally the font in everything

not really item lore, etc.

[strange estuary]

You can probably make separate fonts but the main reason I set the default font to that was to simplify editing all the plugins messages and just to give the entire server a “style”

[sturdy bobcat]

i'm gonna have a general blanket statement for it, which is, if i have issues with my vision or with reading, let's say dyslexia as a basic example. a lot of people i imagine could use a custom font to make the words easier to read. overwriting that poses inaccessibility problems

[solar sinew]

well you can use different fonts in chat and stuff, but yea im guessing it dont work for item lore and stuff

write your own library to generate custom resourcepacks based on player option :>

[blazing oar]

issue is when that style conflicts with accessibility

[strange estuary]

I personally have not had anyone let me know of any issues they had with it

But I do see that point yeah

[blazing oar]

is your server open to public?

[solar sinew]

do you put the discord links in that font too :kek:

ofc they haven't complained, they can't read it!

[strange estuary]

It’s a project yeah

[blazing oar]

how many players?

[strange estuary]

None yet lol it’s in progress

[strange estuary]

Idk what you mean lol

[blazing oar]

well, then you can't for sure know if people will have problems

lol

[solar sinew]

dw about it

[strange estuary]

I’d like to hear what you meant so I can understand

😂

[blazing oar]

You will get a part of the players that will become your main playerbase

but then, you might lose several cause they can't read anything when they first join

lol

[solar sinew]

i'm saying that dyslexic players aren't going to let you know that they can't read it if they can't read the support links / takes too much effort (survivorship bias)

[strange estuary]

Yeah that makes sense, I mean my only argument is it’s literally the same font with 4ish pixels missing per character

It makes sense though

[blazing oar]

for a reason, it is different, even if it is only 4 pixels

[strange estuary]

I wonder if I can somehow make the font not… override other pack fonts

That’d be ideal

[blazing oar]

you cannot

server always overrides

[naive agate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/890732766038204506/1032733195801739427/4B400656-E7F3-40C9-8588-1A4E45DCB6E2.gif

[strange estuary]

I’ll have to check because there was some new pack settings introduced recently

[blazing oar]

only option is giving them the option to choose like stated before

[solar sinew]

costco lookin' pizza

[naive agate]

😂

[strange estuary]

I’ll consider that

[sturdy bobcat]

external client download or multiple packs is your best chance

[strange estuary]

Have to plan out how things are going to work

[sturdy bobcat]

i don't think any of us are doctors so we can't actually speak on impaired vision and how a different font would impact someone, but no one should wait until someone has the issue to consider it

[strange estuary]

Yea

That’s reasonable

[solar sinew]

if you're actually worried about dyslexic stuff, monospaced block-style fonts are considered good

[sturdy bobcat]

would it be a doctor or an optimitrist

or both

[solar sinew]

an optometrist is a doctor

[sturdy bobcat]

oh

well then that makes sense

[strange estuary]

I will say it is very satisfying to play MC in a new font that still fits Minecraft

F3 looks weird but pretty

[trim raft]

https://www.drsquatch.com/products/diamond-sticc

[boreal escarp]

Why are you not blue?

[trim raft]

@twin dune

[full atlas]

"Non negotiable" ... "$200 / mo"

🤦 good luck with that.

[twin dune]

All the key words as well, and a familiar name.

[sturdy bobcat]

they say so much but tell absolutely nothing

[blazing oar]

Lmao fr

I dmed him asking him how many hours are expected to work per month

If it is more than 10 then fk that

[full atlas]

1000 online no queue... for a single anarchy server? I'm assuming they are just copying 2b2t.

[mellow zinc]

"6b6t"

[light scaffold]

the newest anarchy server in minecraft

[frank pasture]

Ahh this is the guy who was asking me loads of questions about Analyse only to not use it 🫣

[unreal venture]

drop the shaders name :/

[wary willow]

Bliss

but also got Distant Horizon on as well

[severe root]

hot

[worldly pike]

joins recently made anarchy server
sees "rules:"

[blazing oar]

That sounds fair though, asking questions to make sure it fits his use case.

[vague walrus]

missing the point

[tacit nova]

Ahh this is the guy who was asking me to create an analytics system 💀

[frank pasture]

Yeah, he asked a ton of questions about Analyse, only to end up wanting his own thing

[tacit nova]

Charlie have you heard about Laravel cloud?

[frank pasture]

To clarify, I don’t have an issue with people asking pre-purchase questions, it’s normal anywhere you go - it’s just always funny when it comes from people who end up asking them just to make their own thing

[frank pasture]

Yeah, looks soooo cool! Are you gonna use it?

[tacit nova]

If I had a Laravel project, sure

At least to try

I don't know about pricing, I've always tried to avoid serverless as much as possible because I like having a fixed rate I pay

But if the pricing is nice and hibernating works well as they say it will, I'll only need to keep one offsite backup ideally

And all that managing has been one thing keeping me from creating a larger scale application

I do have one project I'm making as a learning experience, but developing that will only start in a few weeks when I get other stuff sorted

[blazing oar]

Well lacked that last piece of info xd

[frank pasture]

Yeah I’ve always been the same, the thought of serverless does scare me as a single VPS does well

[tacit nova]

Analayse is hosted serverless or not?

[vagrant pike]

how can u host without a server!!!!

why are we storing data in clouds, what if it rains!!!

[blazing oar]

Nope

He has a dedi for it

[tacit nova]

Ah nice

[blazing oar]

You lose the data ofc

Imagine getting wet of hashed passwords

[vagrant pike]

arrghhh!!

[frank pasture]

Nah always hosted it off a single dedicated machine, never believed in serverless.

[tacit nova]

One thing I'm concerned about with serverless is not isolated apps, like when they have to interact with other services via for example webhooks

[vagrant pike]

anyways, just bought my monitor arms and some stuff for my soon-to-be a simple home server while on vacation, hopefully they come in time when I get back 😎

[frank pasture]

Been working on a new reworked analytics platform and I’m gonna run it on https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-gb/bare-metal/advance/adv-4/

(AMD EPYC 4584PX - 16c/32t - 4.2GHz/5.7GHz, 128GB DDR5 3600MHz)

Absolute beast

[tacit nova]

How do you manage different server locations around the earth?

[blazing oar]

He doesn't

He doesn't need to

Analytics don't need to be in real time lol

How long they take to reach the server is irrelevant

[vagrant pike]

hows ovhcloud as a server provider? we are planning to move our current minecraft server to either hetzner or something else

the prices of our current provider are outrageous

also, main thing we are worried about is ddos, the server is getting ddossed probably daily lol

[blazing oar]

Tbh always heard hetzner is the best

Netcup's root servers are apparently also a good deal

[blazing oar]

Both ovh and hetzner won't fix ddos issue

Just use neoprotect or tcpshield

It is basically a need nowadays

[vagrant pike]

yeah, well, we have ddos protection with the current provider

[blazing oar]

But all of them suck most of the times

Well ovh and hetzner def. Do

Their servers are beasts

But ddos protection sucks

Def. Recommend tcpahield or neoprotect

[young mortar]

yeah OVH and Hetzner are as good as it gets, basically every other service is just reselling them

my server is run off of two OVH dedis, runs everything great

[vagrant pike]

the cpu is actually 7800x3d

we asked them to swap it

and its like ~200euros monthly

the only plus is that its in our country, so we get lower ping

other than that we are considering ovh or hetzner

[young mortar]

i mean for a 7800x3d, you'd probably end up paying like $200/month lol

that's a pretty new cpu

[frank pasture]

Analyse actually was using Hetzner, they’re an amazing brand overall but they randomly banned me. So looking to use the above box for the new version.

I never worry about DDoS protection for websites as it’s behind Cloudflare anyway

[vagrant pike]

yeah, well another provider offers 7950x3d and more disk storage for cheaper lol

[young mortar]

phew well yeah that's pretty solid then

[trim raft]

@twin dune

[spare rock]

Ovh is fine

Not the best sure but its by far not the worst

Heck most antiddos providers are ovh with additional filtering

[proper jungle]

@solar sinew new computer and still on apple

pche

[frank pasture]

Apple rocks tho

[proper jungle]

I could never use apple for that

I feel being so slow on it

[honest storm]

Hello

[chilly brook]

How did you know

How did you consider buying apple product/s

[open veldt]

meow

[frank pasture]

I saw the Apple logo and went boom 😂 but jokes aside the Apple Silicon stuff rocks, I’m on the M3 Max series and it blows it out the water compared to other cpus

[proper jungle]

am really not a big fan of the system overall

[frank pasture]

What don’t you like about the system?

[blazing oar]

Snapdragon coming for u

Snapdragon laptops already have more battery than macbooks

[wary willow]

Yeah but not power

[blazing oar]

Only thing m3 still wins is power

[wary willow]

so depends what you actually need

[blazing oar]

Yeah

But snapdragon is REALLY close to performance

Lol

[wary willow]

Is it?

[blazing oar]

They are not far no

[wary willow]

Idk man, latest LTT video said otherwise

Some stuff doesn't work at all, the emulation isn't great

[blazing oar]

Yeah ik

[wary willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFMTJm3vmh0

[blazing oar]

But it is their first competitive chip against almighty apple

Give them some slack

[wary willow]

Yeah but it will probably take a while to get there

[blazing oar]

Hmm they already did this awesome progress for their first chip

Maybe gen2 wins

Who knows

One thing is for sure, snapdragon laptops worth buying for students.

Unless you in engineering lol

[wary willow]

Idk man, if all you can really do is browsing, sounds more like a chromebook

maybe wait a bit

for drivers and emulation to get better

[blazing oar]

Also, ty, will watch it after

Eh think everything a student would need works tbh

And it runs some games

And way better than a chromebook

Lol

[trim raft]

I still think it's wild that many college students spend $3,000 on a laptop and all they do is use a web browser and Microsoft word. That's crazy I wish I had that kind of money to waste

[wary willow]

I personally will stick to cheap(er) gaming laptops

[wary willow]

Hmm. I personally haven't seen any of that in Romania

[trim raft]

Must be a US thing. Kids here love their apple devices

[wary willow]

Well, that I know. Its a stupid status symbol. Even though they are in 100k debt bcz of student loans

[blazing oar]

Biggest apple market

[light scaffold]

i mean most people buy an air right which is like $800

[blazing oar]

People are brainwashed easily in america

[light scaffold]

if ur buying a pro for web browsing sure thats dumb

[trim raft]

Is it? If so that's not too horrible, if they get at least 4 years out of it

[light scaffold]

yeah i'd think so?

it's more the phones which people spend loads of money on

you can get a 2020 air for like $600 now and it should last a good few years yeah

[blazing oar]

4 years? Isnt bachelor + masters 5 years?

[light scaffold]

depends on the degree i think

it's 4 for me

in the uk

[wary willow]

It definitely depends

[blazing oar]

What is ur degree if I may ask?

[light scaffold]

cs

[blazing oar]

Wuttttt

It's 5 years here

[light scaffold]

huh

is the masters 2 years?

[trim raft]

In US it's 4 for bachelor's, 2 more for masters, 2 more for doctorate (generally)

[light scaffold]

what

[blazing oar]

And you go till 13th grade instead of 12th

[light scaffold]

oh interesting

masters is only 1 year in the uk for most people

[blazing oar]

Yes

[wary willow]

I'll just go ahead and delete. no one laughed

[blazing oar]

I technically lose 2 years

Compared to you

Lose one cause HS goes till 13th grade and 1 year in masters

Lol

[wary willow]

Well you don't lose them if you learn

[blazing oar]

(I do not learn)

[wary willow]

oh

[blazing oar]

At least not in 13th grade

They be doing java stuff I did when I started

Just as an example on how stupidly easy it is

[light scaffold]

OHH sorry i only just got it lmao

i thought you meant versions of the go language or something hahaha

[blazing oar]

13th grade, final HS year right, you have final exams, I scored max marks in the programming exam lol.... I am literally, historically, the first person in the country to do such since the new school system was implemented

[sullen sorrel]

theres a 13th grade? 👀

[blazing oar]

Yeah here yes

It is not as stupid as it sounds, it helps a ton to prep you for uni

Well... besides in java for me...

But yeah, me, someone who is no expert in java, are now the first person in 18 years to have gotten max marks in the programming final exam

Technically the best student of the country in programming

[wary willow]

You do 13 years here as well. But you start earlier

[sullen sorrel]

does your school/area have IB
in the US there are AP classes and apparently there's an alternative called IB which is used worldwide...?

[wary willow]

You start at the age of 6 instead of 7 which was before

[blazing oar]

Th is IB

[sullen sorrel]

Th?

[blazing oar]

The hell is IB

?

[sullen sorrel]

lol

[sullen sorrel]

oh ok nvm

was asking since here there's AP Computer Science A which is a java course that can be accepted for university credit

[light scaffold]

international baccalaureate

[sullen sorrel]

and I have to wait until (mid?) september to see if I got a perfect score

probably didn't bc silly mistake but can hope :)

[light scaffold]

gl!!

[sullen sorrel]

thanks 🥲 (although it can't be used for any official purposes - just a cool feeling)

[blazing oar]

But yeah, makes no sense lol, I hate it even more when other students come congratulate me and teachers, saying how impressive it is, and I am like (in my head) "bruv, I did this when I was 12..."

[sullen sorrel]

did you do IB courses?

computer science ones?

[light scaffold]

nah but some schools had the option

[sullen sorrel]

ah

I heard IB courses in general were a lot more challenging though compared to AP

[light scaffold]

honestly i couldnt say

i think theyre more wide-ranging?

you have to do a big range of subjects right

[sullen sorrel]

yeah for like every subject lol

or not have to but it's common to do like the math ones especially

[light scaffold]

yea

[blazing oar]

Oh here in 10th grade, you choose a "section" of your liking, it is not any extra classes, your whole program is around that topic. For instance, I had to go engineering from 10-11th grade and then switch to IT for 12-13th grade, IT only has 2 years but yeah

[blazing oar]

Idk if this is the so called IB or not

[sullen sorrel]

ohh hmm
I think some schools have "career pathways" here but it's per-school (my school doesn't)

[blazing oar]

Yeah you can call them that yeah

It just helps you learn exactly what you want

Well, not exactly

Cause I sure as hell don't want maths

But yet here I am

[sullen sorrel]

what!!!

then what

history?

I very much prefer math over humanities

[blazing oar]

Oh okay yeah

Me too

I do not dislike maths

I just suck at them

Lmao

[sullen sorrel]

🥲

[blazing oar]

Sad life

Well my maths are harder than the maths history guys are doing lol

[frank pasture]

I’d say that’s a long time if any though, don’t forget the M4 Max will be dropping this year.

Snapdragon are prob the only company I’d say Apple should be thinking about though, but they’re still far away power wise

It’s good to see more competition tho, as I’ve always gone by.. competition breeds innovation

[proper jungle]

well am not into linux and ye am just way too used to windows

like having tabs opened next to each other, having big monitors, simple tab management, alt tabbing, etc.

Ive used to have a Mac

in 2022

Ive gave it a chance

Ive also tried to learn the new keybinds

however Ive bought the machine just to be more quick in working

[frank pasture]

Honestly that makes sense, if you’re used to something it’s hard to change

[proper jungle]

which I was not

[frank pasture]

You should be able to have big monitors on Mac though, if you mean plugging it in

[proper jungle]

Ive also had issues with the scrolling

[frank pasture]

I have mine plugged into a 40” 5k2k display

[proper jungle]

there is the strange easing in mouse scroll

& such

[frank pasture]

Yep I relate here 😂

[proper jungle]

and I could not find a way to disable it

yea xD

it is just so bad

and like Ive missed so many settings in the system

[frank pasture]

Get https://macmousefix.com/

This is what I use

As otherwise my mouse feels terrible

[proper jungle]

Ive used this one as well

but it was still pretty off

[light scaffold]

wait what

[proper jungle]

mhm?

[proper jungle]

what? :d

[frank pasture]

Scrolling on a mouse is quite bad with Mac (like it’s the opposite direction etc)

[proper jungle]

theres mouse acceleration and scrolling acceleration

[frank pasture]

But the Mac Scroll Fix seems to be the solution

[light scaffold]

so thats why using a mouse feels weird 😭

i thought i was going insane

[frank pasture]

Hahaha

Try that app

It’s so good

[proper jungle]

nah

the movement and scrolling is just so off

[frank pasture]

I have mine set so scrolling down actually scrolls down now

[proper jungle]

it is alright on touchpad

the touchpad feel is so epic

but

why would anyone use touchpad

[light scaffold]

YESSSSS I LOVE NORMAL SCROLLING ON A MOUSE

[light scaffold]

honestly except for games i love the macbook trackpads

no complaints

[proper jungle]

yeye, but like

for regular stuff

like searching

working with docs

etc.

but like coding and actually working

is not that great w just touchpad

[light scaffold]

yeah i enjoy using the trackpad for that personally

[proper jungle]

at least Ive had this feeling

[light scaffold]

but that's just preference

[proper jungle]

yee it is

[frank pasture]

I don’t mind it on a trackpad scroll for normal stuff, but when using a mouse I have to get the scroll thing to go in the direction I want

[proper jungle]

however It is really strange that apple does not care more about the regular mouse feel

[frank pasture]

Apple have a setting for it but it also changes the touch pad

[proper jungle]

bcs I can bet that there's loads of people that didnt buy mac just bcs of it

[frank pasture]

So that app lets you have both

[proper jungle]

however overall Ive liked how mac manages the battery health, the luxury design & overall premium feel

but it is just not for me

am not hating it tho I would say

But actually for the pricetag I would imagine bit more

[frank pasture]

I mean makes sense, everyone has different needs and preferences. It’s why I always say that you’ve just got to go with what you’d prefer

I’ve always gone Apple mainly because I have a nice dev workflow now, and the apps I use are Mac exclusive

[proper jungle]

In overall comparation I would say that Windows system is better. You got more freedom I would say? Meanwhile apple is better in regular performance and battery life

and I also like how you can connect apple stuff all together

having stuff from whole apple ecosystem is surely a benefit

[frank pasture]

For me personally, I find Windows better for gaming so I have a desktop PC for that. Then for programming I much much prefer Mac, I just find the apps are better, nicer quality, they look better UI wise, lots of options too

But I guess you could argue that I'm very deep in the "Apple eco system" now https://charliej.com/uses

[proper jungle]

so clean setup ffs

huh? In progress

what the hell are u planning w it

I thought that you have sold it to tebex

[frank pasture]

I made a screw up, supposed to be gone 😂 but I have something better and exciting coming

[proper jungle]

ooo

[frank pasture]

Hehe thanks, I am very OCD about it looking tidy and simple

[proper jungle]

if only you have seen my setup

[frank pasture]

Work starts on it next week after a 3 week break

[proper jungle]

you would not talk to me anymore

if u got ocd

xD

[frank pasture]

hahaha really

now i wanna see

[proper jungle]

yeee

xDDD

bcs

Ive got like all black right

but my case is white

bcs black was not in stock

xDDD

[frank pasture]

hahaha really, more rgb is supposed to show on my case but i wired up fan rgb wrong

so :D

they spin but no lights, only the ram has rgb

[blazing oar]

Agreed

[proper jungle]

@frank pasture

ignore the case btw

it is on wrong side

xDD

your OCD would scream

[blazing oar]

It is screaming

[frank pasture]

Apple event is in one week this Monday, will cop the iPhone, maybe the new mac if its a big jump 😂

[frank pasture]

so clever using the ipad 😂 i recently got an ipad and its so useful for showing stuff like youtube, rather than covering the main screen

[proper jungle]

yea hahahah

[frank pasture]

my ocd mainly is you having mc on your main screen and coding further away 😂 but lovely setup

[proper jungle]

well I was just testing

so Ive moved it over

this is like 1 year old photo so

[frank pasture]

oh 😂

[proper jungle]

now I dont have functional ipad

my gf broke it today

and

[frank pasture]

oh shit 😂

[proper jungle]

got more mess here

xDD

[frank pasture]

how did she manage that?

[proper jungle]

she dropped it outside

[fleet needle]

2 headphones 👀

[proper jungle]

directly on the power button

[fleet needle]

What iPad was it?

[proper jungle]

yea

uh

Pro from 2022

[long summit]

Since we're sharing setups, here's mine, pretty simple one
(no cable management because I'll need to move it at some point)
Also we have the same headphone Larkeyy :)

[fleet needle]

Oh that was a good one

[proper jungle]

this mouse

bro no

xD

[long summit]

What's wrong with the mouse?

[trim raft]

cool fish tank

[proper jungle]

Ive heard loads of bad stuff abt it

but i hate theeee holes in the mouse

xD

it just gives me so bad feel

[fleet needle]

Did you solve all those rubix cubes

[long summit]

Has been really good for like 2 years now, I don't mind the holes

[long summit]

Yeah

[proper jungle]

better than Logitech mouse then

Ive had to buy a new one after 2 years

[long summit]

Will be cooler when the plants grow 😔

[proper jungle]

the scroll wheel stopped working

ffs

oh shit that case

I absolutely love this case

[long summit]

I've had logitech, razer, and some others and they hardly last like 6 months, glorious has been the longest lasting I've had

[proper jungle]

it fits so well to the table

I love thaaat

[fleet needle]

Scroll wheels love to have a problem

[trim raft]

they can be shotty, i had to buy a new G403 because the scroll wheel just.. stopped scrolling.

[proper jungle]

Ive had the superlight pro

now Ive got superlight v2

[long summit]

It's a very pretty case https://www.fractal-design.com/products/cases/north/north/charcoal-black/

[proper jungle]

It isss

[trim raft]

do you have wired or wireless?

[long summit]

Wireless

[fleet needle]

For me the razer one

[proper jungle]

I could not scroll down w mine

[fleet needle]

I really like your setup

[long summit]

Lasts about 5 days or so I think, gotten too used to charge it that I don't even know how long it lasts anymore, charges really fast though

[trim raft]

I'm looking at Glorious mice, maybe when my G403 dies i'll go with one of these..

[proper jungle]

the logitech?

[fleet needle]

Should try hyper x pulse fire haste wireless

[long summit]

Every razer mouse I've had always and I mean always started to double click after a few months

[solar sinew]

im 16 and haven't ever been bought my own technology, I just inherent my dad's stuff 😭

[long summit]

Yeah ;p

The other one I have is a sennheiser open back

[proper jungle]

OOH no worries hahah

[trim raft]

I don't like the screen design (with the holes) personally

[proper jungle]

that was not supposed to be hate

I was just getting bored

hahaha

[mellow zinc]

i think my record was going through 3 razer mice within 6 months

[solar sinew]

lmaoo

[long summit]

They really love to double click

[solar sinew]

don't they have a setting to prevent that?

[trim raft]

they are.. not good lmao

[proper jungle]

Ive been thinking abt buying the wireless logitech ones

I currently got wired

and I hate it

[fleet needle]

Damn

[proper jungle]

I keep dropping them

[solar sinew]

Glorious Model O have a thing that you can increase and it won't double click

[fleet needle]

It’s Razer 🦖

[proper jungle]

bcs the cable just gets around the chair hand rest

and when I move w my chair, then I just drop the headset

xDD

painful

[long summit]

Mine is the wired one too, it is quite annoying

[fleet needle]

Yep which is a great feature ngl

[mellow zinc]

wireless logitech is good

[proper jungle]

Ive got the Sony wh

[long summit]

Probably, but like if you need a setting to fix a problem you have a big problem

[solar sinew]

my glorious has lasted me I think 2-3 years, maybe more

[proper jungle]

but thats great just for listening to music

[solar sinew]

well I mean, double clicking is arguebly intentional for some stuff

[fleet needle]

I like HYPERX a lot

[long summit]

I'd understand if it either was a setting or came out of the box double clicking, but if it happens after use you know it's something wrong with the mouse

[fleet needle]

I want to get a monitor that I can connect my laptop to, do you guys have any advice?

[trim raft]

Am currently using Cloud Stinger Pro headset from HyperX, lasted a long time big W

[fleet needle]

HyperX has some great quality stuff.

[long summit]

The image kinda cuts a lot of them, I have from 2x2 till 6x6 and 2 megaminx (3x3 but 12 faces)
I'd get more but my wife would kill me 😔

[fleet needle]

I was once able to solve 3x3s in like 19 or 20 seconds
But now I completely forgot the trick!

[long summit]

Nice, I can do in about 20 seconds too, I was going to try learning speed cubing but can't be bothered I just find them fun :')

[fleet needle]

Yeah I don’t see them as a race, just a really good thing to pass your time with

[long summit]

Specially knowing that the world record is currently 3.13 seconds

[fleet needle]

Exactly 💩

[full atlas]

IDK if its specific to minecraft but has anyone that uses windows had an issue typing console commands in command prompt lately?
I start the server (via batch script) and when I go to type commands I have to press the keys a few times...

[vagrant pike]

probably some issue on your part

[vague walrus]

what kind of fish is this

[full atlas]

... how lol
Like the server starts everything works but when I start typing in the console I have to press keys a few times before it actually starts typing

[vagrant pike]

windows, ubuntu?

[full atlas]

Windows

[vagrant pike]

https://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/s/vkSBK98ezn

seems like a similar issue

did you try running via a different terminal? git bash, windows terminal app?

[long summit]

No fish in there yet, tank is pretty new so it needs to cycle first, there are 2 zebra nerite snails in there though ;p

[vagrant pike]

aquarium, nice

we have an aquarium on my wife's desk

sadly the fishes are gone

not sure what we are doing wrong, we had all the required equipment, tried to upkeep it as best as possible, but the fish just keep dying for some reason
only one of the guppies that we bought like a year ago outlived every other resident, died couple weeks ago tho

[vague walrus]

How big is the tank?

[vagrant pike]

its a small one, 20 or 25 liters, idrm atm

at first we had a betta and some shrimps (pinocchio shrimps or whatever) the shopkeeper told us the shrimps would be fine, only to find out the betta ate all of them lol

[vague walrus]

Sounds about right lmao

Bettas are aggresive with a lot of fish

[vagrant pike]

yeah, we knew, thought the shrimps would be fine tho, as told by the shop

then got some guppies, since they are kinda hardy and can live in harsher environments

[vague walrus]

You doing water tests? Idk how available those are for you

[long summit]

Well could have been the thing I mentioned on my message, tank cycling, not sure if you're familiar with aquarium nitrogen cycle but fish and stuff produce ammonia which is toxic to fish, bacteria turns it into nitrite which is also toxic to fish, then other bacteria turns it into nitrates which is safer but also slightly toxic, that's when you do water changes or have plants in there to do the job
Also I feel like guppies are not really good for such a small tanks

[vagrant pike]

they were doing fine, but we kinda didnt have much time to look after the tank when the baby was born

[vagrant pike]

yeah, we did, we have those test strips for various chemicals or whatever

[vague walrus]

Ngl, I'm just relieved it wasn't a goldfish

[long summit]

Omg yeah

I'm keeping track of all the values of my tank hoping to get it balanced 😔

[vague walrus]

We used to keep a salt water. Would give them a shot of vodka occasionally 😌

[long summit]

Salt water is scary

[vague walrus]

There's risk, but honestly if you get an established tank, maintaining isn't that bad.
Research is a must obviously, knowing what fish and coral can go together is important.

[long summit]

To me is just the idea of salting the water the correct way for water changes and also salt water disease are terrifying

[vagrant pike]

sadly we dont have any shops around that sell salt water fish

thou afaik it's quite more difficult than regular (fresh water?) tanks

[vague walrus]

It's not much different than doing like water conditioning on a water change

[long summit]

That's fair

Oh no, fish talk has summoned my wife

[glacial harness]

it's the fiddling with an RO/DI unit and remineralizing the water that gets me with saltwater 🥴

hello it's me

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She's the nerd in that stuff

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We never got that far to get those lol

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i almost started a saltwater tank at one point, but bristleworms scared me away

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I'm just regurgitating what she taught me

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if you are interested in more fishy talk theres discord/aquatica server (not sponsored)

I always like to peep at the showcase channel

people make some amazing tanks

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I'll dig out an old picture, I miss her

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i wish i was talented my skill with plants is ,, not great

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Anyways, look at this little guy

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That looks great!

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that snowflake clownfish 🥺 🥺 🥺

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finding nemo?

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They were all so cute, I miss them so much 😭
We had to take it down when we moved

lmaooo

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i'm a huge softie for clownfish, i adore them

if i ever did saltwater, it'd be 100% for clownfish

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It's just a phase dad

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i still think the most cursed clownfish morph is the naked ones

they feel ,, wrong

like i'm sorry but who went out of the way to make this a reality 😭 they took his clothes and everything

i should see if i have some old pics from when i used to keep bettas; i used to always nab the saddest-looking bettas from pet stores and treat them like kings

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Omg yes, I feel so bad for them.
I used to work in a pet store and we'd be pulling deads daily 😭

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yeah I dont get why the stores keep them in such small "tanks"

its basically a cup of water lol

I mean yeah I know that they cant be held together, but still

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could if they were females

Which petstores already do gendered animals sales with mammals, so it's not like a huge stretch per se.

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i miss the massive bubble nests the males would make

hand for scale

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wowie!!

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I remember buying an albino pleco for my mom's tank, little monsters

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was it a bristlenose?? their little whiskers freak me out 😭

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yeah I think

(not original pic)

scary buggers

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ouohogohooguohuguohugouho it looks like little tentacles ougouhoguohuoguhuhghh

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lol yeah I remember those too, at first we had no idea what it was (didnt do much research on bettas, was just starting out with fish aquariums)

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Wet naked mole rat

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i miss having bettas so much, they were so fun

i used to play with mine using laser pointers; they'd chase them and it was really cute

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lmao

the one we got looked better

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used to frequent pet stores to get supplies for my other bettas, and i'd see a lot of bettas over and over for weeks and see them decline over time, so this was one that i'd gotten after i saw him like every week for almost a month :( super washed out and bottom-sitting

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it feels so good to stop using inheritence except when it ACTUALLY makes sense

composition + interfaces carry

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damn bro has no fins at all

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hes just chilling

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he was a koi plakat!!

this was him two days later

handsome ,,

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The long finned ones have so many issues with getting their fins damaged 😔

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bad pic, but this is what he ended up looking like once he fully colored up

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looks like two different fish

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HES SO CUTE

SHUT UP

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THANK YOU

lmaooo

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'N BOOTIFUL

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The glow up is crazy

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ikr, getting bettas from awful petstores is like buying an irl loot crate

you never know what you're gonna get

my other betta, gilbert, was a pretty handsome boy too 🥺

he had the most beautiful, flowy fins

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Oh my, he's gorgeous

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we had these silly boys

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hes so silly

i wanna pet him

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pinnochio(?) shrimp???

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he IS handsome!

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they look terrifying

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Reminds me of a ghost shrimp, but not quite the right color

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i'm hoping to get back into shrimp when i get my 19 gallon tank up and running

i'm hoping to get some red cherry shrimp c:

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shrimp taste good

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Prawn

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https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-cherry-shrimp-eating-betta-gif-12882512

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we had those too

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theyre so silly

SO SILLY

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they're just cute little guys!! !

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there should be a picture somewhere if I could find it lol

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i'm aiming for a colony of cherry shrimp, a trio of honey gouramis, and possibly a small group of emerald dwarf rasboras if the tank can handle it

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my whole gallery is just my wife and our baby lol