off-topic

[unreal venture]

at least it wasnt in #1113758468705374229

[fallow crow]

nah 1 gh issue is usually just a quick bug fix

that is the wage atm

yessir

[naive agate]

anyone watching WWDC?

[young mortar]

live stickers

[naive agate]

ya

lame af

[young mortar]

shareplay kinda cool

sync your twitch streams 😌

[full atlas]

?

[naive agate]

apple

live stream

[young mortar]

apple's yearly press conference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYkq9Rgoj8E

oh damn they added the apple watch charging mode to iphones

that's p nice

[stark rapids]

He meant the animation i believe

[young mortar]

yeah like when you charge your watch, it shows the time and stuff

now your iphone can do that!

[vague walrus]

Wow what a feature

[young mortar]

yeah i mean it's p cool

[vague walrus]

I agree, I use it all the time

[light scaffold]

i could do that in 5 minutes of coding

[young mortar]

well, you didn't, did you?

[light scaffold]

if chaging:
display text

[young mortar]

PR or shutup

[light scaffold]

5 seconds of coding

oijwoijdoijqdoiqjdoqijdq

[vague walrus]

Open source apple?

[naive agate]

omg I can change the color of my time

[young mortar]

hehehhee

[naive agate]

LMAO

[light scaffold]

it will be once im done with it

[young mortar]

MULTIPLE TIMERS

OH MY GOD

[naive agate]

GUYS

MULTIPLE TIMERS

IS CRAZY

😮

[light scaffold]

this is a little soy

just a smidge

[young mortar]

i think he knew the multiple timers thing was pretty dumb though lol

[naive agate]

PDFs

[young mortar]

to be fair, PDFs are a pain in the ass in most scenarios

have fun paying for Adobe Acrobat lol

[naive agate]

lol

PDFS IN THE NOTES APP

I actually like the update to the notes app

[young mortar]

yeah I mean they're just filling out their ecosystem, it is nice to see

some day maybe they'll add full macos capabilities to the ipad lol

[wary willow]

omg. live colaboration

[young mortar]

"crack product" marketing team

fr fr

NO NOT APOLLO

[naive agate]

LMAO

[young mortar]

they don't know bro

they don't know

or they made this presentation like two weeks ago

[vague walrus]

huh?

[young mortar]

Reddit is killing all third party apps with their new Twitter-like API charges

[vague walrus]

Yeah

[wary willow]

wait. mac gaming?

[young mortar]

it would cost the guy who makes Apollo like 20 million dollars to keep it going lol

[vague walrus]

Oh that third party app, I forgot

[young mortar]

Metal 💀

[naive agate]

so many restreams got striked for streaming it LOL

[pseudo sigil]

Curious right- what is so wrong with the normal reddit app?

[light scaffold]

it's just a bit shit

[young mortar]

ads, poor design, doesn't support a bunch of media formats and stuff

[pseudo sigil]

I mean i'm not dissagreeing, UI could be a bit more clear at times.

[vague walrus]

As someone that rarely uses reddit, every time I have to use it it's rough

[naive agate]

the ads are ridiculous

[young mortar]

bro death stranding on macos

that's wild bro

[pseudo sigil]

Lmao Reddit's ads are the most hated thing, and reddit makes like barely anything from ads because of how much users hate em lmao

[vague walrus]

The game of all time

[naive agate]

they def make money

[pseudo sigil]

Yeah but when it comes to CPM they have a ridiculously high one.

So it's not really worth it

[light scaffold]

the wholesome awards is where the real money is

[pseudo sigil]

Yup

[young mortar]

okay the reactions thing is so cringe lol

[wary willow]

whyyy

👎 👎

[young mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/fireworks-firework-fourth-of-july-chinese-invention-celebrate-gif-8120832

[pseudo sigil]

Its like super reactions

[vague walrus]

Super reactions are goated

[blazing oar]

UwU Webkit

[vague walrus]

[pseudo sigil]

Surprised they didn't add monetization on super reactions yet.

[wary willow]

apple talking about privacy once again 🤣

[young mortar]

?

[blazing oar]

they have spoken about it legit at every segment

[young mortar]

apple is one of the best companies to keep your privacy with lol

[blazing oar]

at least once

[wary willow]

except if you're from china

which makes like 15% of the population or whatever. idk maths

[blazing oar]

Apple is a data company, not a tech/product/phone/whatever company

[young mortar]

i mean they e2e encrypt a bunch of stuff

they talked about it with journal and stuff

[young mortar]

less so than most companies i can think of

[pseudo sigil]

Apple gets a lot more information from you than they let go ;/ It's just a little more secure.

[blazing oar]

Microsoft 💀

that's data heaven

[pseudo sigil]

Well- yeah those people are even worse.

[young mortar]

Of all the companies that have my data, I trust Apple the most

[blazing oar]

wished there was a dist on linux similar to windows 11

would switch ez

[blazing oar]

I trust more tiktok than apple lol

[young mortar]

really? lmao

that's wild dude

i am a tiktok fan but lord knows the chinese government is gonna yoink your data if they want it

[pseudo sigil]

Tiktok? Dude they were litteraly scanning faces and saving that data if i'm not wrong.

[vague walrus]

I trust Tiktok as far as I trust Oracle to secure my information.

[sturdy bobcat]

that is still dogshit

[young mortar]

"wow, they need to scan my face to put filters on it? that's insane! why would they need to do that?!?!"

[blazing oar]

have you seen the US trying to ask tiktok's CEO questions?

it's legit the biggest joke ever

[wary willow]

I don't trust anyone. I live a happy life

[pseudo sigil]

There's a difference between scanning faces for filters and scanning faces for data ;/

[wary willow]

😭

[young mortar]

they don't scan faces for data

that's the point

[vague walrus]

Not that happy

[blazing oar]

and from where did you get that info?

[wary willow]

the happiest*

[vague walrus]

On god, not trusting anyone you sound like the unhappiest mofo

[blazing oar]

this presentation is legit only about "neural networks", "machine learning" and whatever

lmao

[wary willow]

well

have you seen

the google stuff?

[blazing oar]

I was surprised how google's CEO didn't say the word AI

but it was full of AI stuff

[pseudo sigil]

I think i did but i don't remember what they said, remind me?

[young mortar]

are we watching the same presentation? it's significantly less than I thought it would be

i thought they would be like "we partnered with ChatGPT to remake Siri" or something

[blazing oar]

for instance, exactly what you just said, about scanning faces.

[wary willow]

tru

oh

[blazing oar]

Wasn't it also the one where they asked if tiktok had access to their home wifi? lmao

[young mortar]

yea lol

[pseudo sigil]

OpenAI is microsoft's business, they probably wouldn't partner with apple

[wary willow]

it isn't? they've just invested a lot in it

[young mortar]

huh? lol

[blazing oar]

eeeh yeah, tbh a lot of useless stuff

[young mortar]

it's a separate company that was founded by a ton of peeps

[blazing oar]

well, not useless, but don't think they should be apps

just built-in features

[young mortar]

what stuff are you talking about?

they mostly just did like text prediction stuff

[wary willow]

yeah. what stuff?

[blazing oar]

didn't they also say they would launch new apps?

[young mortar]

what apps?

[blazing oar]

I was just listening on the background, no idea, hence why I am asking

[young mortar]

no lol

they've been really light on AI stuff

[blazing oar]

bruh, thought I heard it

[naive agate]

its rolling out more 🙂

[vague walrus]

Been waiting

[pseudo sigil]

Well- microsoft effectively controls them. But you are right they are owned by a group of investors.

[light scaffold]

thank the lord

[wary willow]

I doubt that.

[young mortar]

do they? i feel like that's not true at all lol

[pseudo sigil]

Really not looking forward to it ngl- I'm going to be so confused.

[light scaffold]

ive had many sleepless nights waiting in fear that the username "bristermitten" will be SNATCHED from my grasp

[naive agate]

lol

[blazing oar]

they invested like 10b I think? They pretty sure are under Microsoft's hood

[pseudo sigil]

Well OpenAI uses Azure's services and microsoft invested a shit ton.

[wary willow]

and if they don't do what microsoft says what can microsoft do?

[blazing oar]

that will be me

[pseudo sigil]

Then they will probably cut off their Azure partnership

[wary willow]

we don't know what their contract is

[young mortar]

okay, so every company that uses AWS is controlled by Amazon?

[full atlas]

What server is that in?

[vague walrus]

Nova be spreading misinformation today

[light scaffold]

discord.gg/discord

huh

[naive agate]

partners server fairly sure

[young mortar]

nice

[light scaffold]

whys that not a thing

[vague walrus]

@light scaffoldI need a new invite

[pseudo sigil]

Not saying that, just saying that part of their deal was that Microsoft would give OpenAI like 1 million in credits for Azure every year something like that.

[blazing oar]

Rumors of this deal suggested Microsoft may receive 75 percent of OpenAI's profits until it secures its investment return and a 49 percent stake in the company.

[young mortar]

the shareplay carplay this is pretty damn cool actually

[light scaffold]

me too

i got banned

[vague walrus]

Awh

[light scaffold]

for spreading "pro-matrix" propaganda

[blazing oar]

49% stake in openai lol

[young mortar]

haha

[blazing oar]

it's almost full control

[young mortar]

"Rumors"

[blazing oar]

yeah, doubt those rumors are wrong tbh

[vague walrus]

Blackrock and Vanguard when someone controls majority stake:

[blazing oar]

tf is this music

[naive agate]

Its 2015 rn for name selection

[blazing oar]

rip, I am 2 years away

[naive agate]

Nitro + 2015 && 2015

[full atlas]

Ah I'm only on town hall and developers

[wary willow]

am I high or what the fuck is going on?

[naive agate]

its private to partners

[pseudo sigil]

Ahhh i'm so annoyed that discord fucked over my old account

[blazing oar]

same

[pseudo sigil]

I would've had it by now.

[blazing oar]

Afonso is probs already out

[naive agate]

I am trying to log back into my 2015 account rn

LOL

[young mortar]

cute trailer for watchos stuff

[blazing oar]

so gotta wish for MrAfonso

[pseudo sigil]

I still have access to it, but they made me have a mandatory phone number verification.

[blazing oar]

otherwise gotta go for my github username, xMrAfonso (ew)

[pseudo sigil]

and their phone verification is fucked

So it's basically unuseable

[naive agate]

Afonso is opened

🙂

[blazing oar]

wait how did you check that?

[naive agate]

https://lixqa.de/pomelo-lookup/

[full atlas]

👍

[blazing oar]

cap

Mike should be taken

[wary willow]

maybe

[naive agate]

2015 just released

[wary willow]

idk how many people have access to selecting a name tho

[naive agate]

so just wait

[pseudo sigil]

Discord staff got first pick i'm pretty sure

[naive agate]

They finished with

partners / staff

[pseudo sigil]

Nova is taken.

[blazing oar]

guys? 👀

[naive agate]

I was wrong https://adamh.tech/2023/06/Discord_xyighERqHC.png

LOL

discord staff leaking it

ig

[blazing oar]

lol

well time to go take a shower

adios

[full atlas]

Its posted in town hall too

[naive agate]

o

[pseudo sigil]

Ah fuck i deleted my 2015 account...

cuz i lost 2fa on it.

[naive agate]

discord just announced it

https://adamh.tech/2023/06/Discord_h9ezz52yhS.png

[vague walrus]

I don't think it works

[naive agate]

should work

prob ratelimit

[vague walrus]

Luck hasn't been available for weeks

[naive agate]

hmm

it did work so idk

[vague walrus]

Is it saying it's not available for you?

[naive agate]

it says its opened but 100+ usernames I tried said taken

[vague walrus]

Weird

[naive agate]

prob ratelimit

30 users on that site rn

top right

Bots got priority aswell 🙂

verified bots

[vague walrus]

I'm not sure what a rate limit has to do with the site not having wholly accurate information necessarily.

[naive agate]

idk 😛

[young mortar]

yo they got the depression tracker on iphone

[frank pasture]

Now get the MC username and boom you've got a combo

[young mortar]

chazza what are your thoughts on wwdc so far?

[frank pasture]

So far its bleh, pretty shit 😂 Widgets? Cool but dont use. Iphone stand thing is cool, prob won't use.

Facetime on tv is eh, you'd need your family to get the stand thing

[naive agate]

LMAOO

[naive agate]

@Plugins 😉

[frank pasture]

I'm interested in this VR thing

[frank pasture]

What about you Star? Anything thats caught you?

And Afonso, I'd much rather trust apple than tiktok..

[young mortar]

i'm hyped with the watch stuff and the carplay stuff

[frank pasture]

Apple: Lets add time tracking for daylight when you're outside
Developers:

[young mortar]

yeah right lol

"they recommend being outside in daylight for 120 minutes a day"

like bro

make that 12 fr fr

[frank pasture]

LOL

Yes

ONE MORE

its gonna be VR!!!

[wary willow]

OMG

YES

IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY WEREN'T ALREADY LEAKED

[naive agate]

LMAOOO

been known

[frank pasture]

this is madd

[naive agate]

you copping?

[frank pasture]

yes

[young mortar]

damn iphone on your eyeballs

[frank pasture]

This is an instant me

[naive agate]

this gonna go crazy

whats the specs

[young mortar]

oh my god the apps in real life is actually like really fucking cool

[naive agate]

is gonna be better the oculus 3?

[young mortar]

way cooler than i thought it would be

[frank pasture]

yes and you can see it through

[naive agate]

o

its not for gaming

[frank pasture]

its both

i think

[naive agate]

hmm

[wary willow]

anything can be used for gaming if you try hard enough

[young mortar]

i think you can technicaly play games

[naive agate]

LMAO

true

[young mortar]

but it's not like SteamVR or anything

[naive agate]

mobile GAMING

gonna go crazy

LOL

[frank pasture]

imagine dudes walking into coffee shops with it

[naive agate]

is gonna have adapters for people with disabilities aka blind people like me LMAO

[frank pasture]

I hope we can pre order today

[naive agate]

prob not

alright everyone guess the price

[wary willow]

can you not overlay apps?

[young mortar]

$1800

[naive agate]

I say $1600

[wary willow]

bcz that would be ass

[frank pasture]

$2500

[wary willow]

1700

[frank pasture]

its rumoured to be $3k but I doubt

[wary willow]

I take that back

1200

[naive agate]

ya I heard 3k aswell

[wary willow]

still confused about this

[naive agate]

for what?

[pseudo sigil]

2K

[wary willow]

they mentioned that new apps open next to each other

[naive agate]

oh

[young mortar]

you can put em wherever you want

[wary willow]

and they didn't show anything about overlaying

[young mortar]

that was a whole thing

[wary willow]

hopefully

idk

[young mortar]

they said it

[naive agate]

so no hand movement

[wary willow]

oh ok

[naive agate]

def not good for gaming

basic games sure

not advanced

YO SIRI WITH VR GOES HARD

LMAO

[frank pasture]

the eyes i find so funny

[naive agate]

ya

same

[frank pasture]

i couldn't help but laugh

[naive agate]

same

EyeSight

LOL

[young mortar]

and just like, imagine being in an empty room and you're just staring at the wall

[frank pasture]

LOL

[young mortar]

so wild dude

[frank pasture]

soon everyone in coffee shops will have these on

[naive agate]

LMAO

[young mortar]

imagine programming on that man, just infinite area of code

[frank pasture]

god yes

I bet they'll let you do virtual displays

with your mac

[wary willow]

dude I can't remember the name of that actor

[frank pasture]

Like the FB one

[wary willow]

but you know the scene with the motorcycle helmet?

that's what this reminded me of

[naive agate]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-crazy-clap-happy-snow-white-rubber-room-gif-16827182

[frank pasture]

woah they're trying to do Meta pro

[naive agate]

gonna be sent to this room frfr

[young mortar]

confirmed blitz, she just said "you can place apps wherever you want, over each other, next to each other, etc."

[wary willow]

yeah.

[frank pasture]

I would be shocked if we can't get virtual displays, that would be game changing

HAHA

i was right

[wary willow]

I remembered his name

steven segal

it reminded me of this

[frank pasture]

omg thats so cool

[naive agate]

imagine duel VR

THATs a feature we need

one vr can mimic stuff to another VR
3D CAMERA?

wait

thats sick

[wary willow]

I think I've seen this somewhere before

ah yes

[frank pasture]

Apple may not be the first, but they do it so well

[wary willow]

#dev-general message

damn. apple be listening to me

that's why we need this to be a mass production thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHyNYfFfXlg

this is cool tho

[young mortar]

okay the airplane movie thing is actually pretty cool

[frank pasture]

yeah that will be so cool

damn the gaming thing is so cool

[wary willow]

I won't be surprised if this is $3000 anymore

[frank pasture]

LOL

[wary willow]

gaming

[frank pasture]

i think gaming is cool on it, because you can play without a tv

[young mortar]

yeah just the whole private screen thing is a cool selling point

[wary willow]

disney+

[frank pasture]

Ngl I can see more guys just using their mac with this vision pro

instead of another monitor

[frank pasture]

yeah + you can use a keyboard and mouse with it

[naive agate]

this vr is actually crazy

they took it to another level

even if its not for gaming

[frank pasture]

Yeah, they're not the first, but they do it right

[naive agate]

they make it clean

they also got the budget

to do research

DISNEY

[frank pasture]

Yeah, let the others do it first, then make it better after

[boreal escarp]

Is apple releasing VR or what are you guys talking about?

[frank pasture]

yes

Apple Vision Pro

[wary willow]

VR and AR with a single headset

minecraft ar 😭

[frank pasture]

or mc with keyboard + mouse but playing on that

[wary willow]

minecraft ar existed and it died

[naive agate]

I wonder if we can connect a mouse and keyboard

that would be amazing

[wary willow]

it seems so

[naive agate]

;o

[boreal escarp]

Cool

[young mortar]

i've played vivecraft and it was cute

[frank pasture]

I think they said you can, if you need to type up a doc

[naive agate]

oo

I love the whole "siri" support

how well is this gonna be with people with glasses

[frank pasture]

look I’m not judging but I know ya’ll be using that thing to watch VisionHub

[naive agate]

SMH LMAO

[frank pasture]

This is my fear

[naive agate]

ya same

[frank pasture]

I have glasses, im somewhat fucked if it doesn't work

[naive agate]

same

[frank pasture]

I'd like to hope they thought this out 😂

[naive agate]

same

[frank pasture]

smh typical apple to sell bands hahah

[naive agate]

for an extra $699

LOL

[frank pasture]

LOL

[stark rapids]

yo guys did you watch spiderverseeee

[naive agate]

I may watch it today

[wary willow]

o

[frank pasture]

rn we watching the appleverse

[stark rapids]

I will suggest you watch blindly

[young mortar]

oh damn they teamed up with Zeiss

that's pretty cool actually

[frank pasture]

whos that

[young mortar]

camera lens manufacturer

[frank pasture]

ohh

[young mortar]

for the whole glasses embedded thing

[frank pasture]

oh woah, they go all out

apparently its 5,000 nits from rumours

[naive agate]

wym?

[frank pasture]

Ngl, if its possible, I'd plug my handheld windows into this and game on controller

[naive agate]

imagine bluetooth a console controller

or a WHEEL

[frank pasture]

yesss, car sims would be next level

[naive agate]

omg

I am glad I waited

before I bought a vr

[stark rapids]

just go watch

[naive agate]

I just snatched my friends when I wanted to use it lol

[naive agate]

I will 😛

[stark rapids]

And the indian spidey is insane

i felt so good being indian

[naive agate]

LMAOO

stop leaking

[stark rapids]

you didnt watch trailer?

[vagrant pike]

anyone seen java v21 yet?

[naive agate]

no I never watch them usually

it leaks to much

[stark rapids]

ah i see

[naive agate]

naw whats new

[vagrant pike]

unnamed classes

instance main methods

[stark rapids]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGayDJEqbQA

[vagrant pike]

no more public static void main(String[] args) 😩

[naive agate]

not gonna watch it

[vagrant pike]

structured concurrency is also nice

also
String mycoolstring = STR."My very cool string with a \{x} variable";

[tacit nova]

since when do you watch Fireship?

[vagrant pike]

since I was born

[young mortar]

Java when they add string interpolation like 8 years after everyone else

[boreal escarp]

Nice video, just watched it haha

[boreal escarp]

Better later than never 🤣

[light scaffold]

PEAK PEAK PEAK

best movie ever made

[naive agate]

I JUST WANT TO WATCH 3D MOVIES

[vagrant pike]

tho this java update indeed will never reach my company, we're still at J11 🥴

[light scaffold]

yeah and they do it better than any other language 😏

[young mortar]

Rust?

[young mortar]

hey, EOL for active support for Java 11 ends in 4 months lol

[boreal escarp]

The SOMETHING."String" syntax is a bit weird but oh well

[light scaffold]

how does that do it better?

[light scaffold]

it means its extensible

you can define your own interpolation behaviour

eg escaping things for sql queries

[young mortar]

so you can probably convince em to upgrade to at least 17

[boreal escarp]

Yeah ik, I'm just saying it is a whole new syntax

[light scaffold]

it's odd yeah

[vagrant pike]

lets go java 12 in 4 months (unlikely)

[light scaffold]

but it's cool

[boreal escarp]

Yeah

[light scaffold]

[young mortar]

Java 12 is far from LTS lol, support ended for it 4 years ago

[light scaffold]

yeah lmao

[vagrant pike]

ah

I guess that doesn't work like I thought it does

just the cool versions get supported

[young mortar]

nah, every 6 versions they do LTS

11, 17, 21?

actually maybe it's not every 6

[vagrant pike]

arbitrary version

[naive agate]

UNITY

[vagrant pike]

the one they feel like

[naive agate]

OMG

[wary willow]

someone ping me with the price when they announce it.

[naive agate]

but why not unreal 😦

[young mortar]

ah they changed it in 2021

so it would be every 2 years instead of every 3

[boreal escarp]

4 fingers

[wary willow]

and a kidney

[boreal escarp]

If you want the pro version, yes

[wary willow]

do they have a normal one too?

[young mortar]

no

[boreal escarp]

Idk jk xD

[frank pasture]

this is defo the longest product showcase

hahaha optic ID

[boreal escarp]

Ah are they showcasing it rn?

[frank pasture]

yes

WWDC smh

[young mortar]

chazza is like 2 minutes ahead of me

[frank pasture]

you on the apple website?

[wary willow]

15 seconds than me

[young mortar]

nah youtube

[frank pasture]

yt is behind

[young mortar]

ah

[vagrant pike]

someone hold my hand, tomorrow is my bach's degree final presentation, either taking home a dub or a big L 😔

[frank pasture]

go on the site its quicker

[boreal escarp]

Idc about apple, sorry

[frank pasture]

this you

[boreal escarp]

Ok?

[frank pasture]

haha

[wary willow]

huge dub I'm calling it

[frank pasture]

5000 patents wtf

[wary willow]

that's how the pantet system works

[naive agate]

5000... patents is crazy

[frank pasture]

i wonder what they cover

must be every inch of what it does 😂

$3,499

[naive agate]

welp rip future VR

[wary willow]

does filing also mean they were accepted?

[naive agate]

LOL

[naive agate]

naw

[frank pasture]

LOL doesnt come out until early next year

[naive agate]

figured

[frank pasture]

$3,499 tho oof

[naive agate]

BRO

HOLY

[young mortar]

sheeesh

[naive agate]

3500 IS CRAZY

[vagrant pike]

gotta pray 🙏

[boreal escarp]

I was close @wary willow

[wary willow]

lmao

it is more than just 1 kidney

[boreal escarp]

3 fingers and the pinky

[frank pasture]

I wonder what it'll be in GBP, hope it isn't £3,500

They normally do that shit

[wary willow]

I was gonna say that this might be the first apple product I'll use regullary but it would've been a lie

[young mortar]

bro thought he could afford a VR setup this good

I can't even afford a VR setup this good lol

[frank pasture]

https://twitter.com/flyosity/status/1665794315296047104?s=46

Mike Rundle (@flyosity)

Meanwhile at Meta

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[young mortar]

hehehehe

facebook bad

so true

[vagrant pike]

why is it meta if its not meta at all

[boreal escarp]

That didn't sound nice Star smh

[naive agate]

what is this video

LOL

[young mortar]

advertisement

[frank pasture]

Defo keyboard + mouse on this looks cool

[young mortar]

yeah it really does, you can use anything as a desk, you just need keyboard & mouse

[frank pasture]

yeah such a win tbh, and cool you can have many windows open

[wary willow]

well I techincally can but I am not stupid.

[young mortar]

sheesh

[boreal escarp]

Not that stupid, Blitz

[young mortar]

haha

[boreal escarp]

Need to make things clear 🤣 ly

[wary willow]

also I would've definitely not pre ordered or ordered before independent reviews came out lol

[naive agate]

3500 is a reach

[wary willow]

this thing might just be the biggest piece of shit irl. you can never be so sure

[naive agate]

charlie id like to loan your vr headset

lmk

[frank pasture]

ye sure

$1,000 a month

[naive agate]

LMAO

[wary willow]

yeah. bcz they didn't price it for what it costs but rather for what it can replace

[naive agate]

yup

I felt maybe 2k at most

tbh would be reasonable

[boreal escarp]

2k for the product and 1.5k for the brand

[naive agate]

LMAO

and 699 for a custom color

and $900 for glasses supported

😛

[boreal escarp]

At least you can get a 'stock' version 🤣

[frank pasture]

Waiting on apple to add vision pro to their site

smh

i wanna see what it converts to in UK

[naive agate]

lol

[naive agate]

fire ;

[zenith mauve]

this is someone else work

but damn, looks so good

[autumn helm]

🤯

[frank pasture]

Page is up, seems US only https://www.apple.com/apple-vision-pro/

[vague walrus]

Koala Tea

[vagrant pike]

Apple trying to reinvent the wheel but yet again

[naive agate]

pay up

so 6 months minimum before they release

[frank pasture]

Ofc

I'm jk, as cool as it is, not justifying $3.5k for it, wouldn't use it enough

[naive agate]

ya lmao I feel they gonna need to drop the price

[frank pasture]

Like, a £4k mac I can justify, it's used all the time, and makes back more than that if you use it enough. Whereas something like that, I wouldn't see a direct return

[naive agate]

https://adamh.tech/2023/06/opera_ixkr9Ud153.png LMAOO

@frank pasture ^

hahahahaha

[frank pasture]

hahahahaha it does look like it tho 😂

[naive agate]

yup

https://twitter.com/sterlingcrispin/status/1665792422914453506

Sterling Crispin 🕊️ (@sterlingcrispin)

I spent 10% of my life contributing to the development of the #VisionPro while I worked at Apple as a Neurotechnology Prototyping Researcher in the Technology Development Group. It’s the longest I’ve ever worked on a single effort. I’m proud and relieved that it’s finally…

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read this

its long af

it explains the patents

they worked on this for 5 years

[vagrant pike]

Cant like any non mac build outperform it with lower total price (yes im a apple hater)

[sullen sorrel]

i thought twitter had a character limit

[naive agate]

https://twitter.com/Mineplex/status/1665473669248819200

Mineplex (@Mineplex)

Hi @CaptainSparklez

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[naive agate]

if they bought twitter blue its not as limited

[vagrant pike]

Twitter Blue 🤩🤩

I guess people pay more for pixels in games (skins), so twitter badge isn't like a huge deal

[naive agate]

lol

[vagrant pike]

Don't you just love buying pixels on your screen

😎😎😎

[naive agate]

https://twitter.com/swyx/status/1665769823635210248

swyx (@swyx)

Not cool of @Apple to just copy @Vercel's keynotes, paint it white and call it a day

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oh wow

[vagrant pike]

Similar but not the same

[naive agate]

apple is known for copying and improving 😛

[vagrant pike]

Or being late to copy from android

And then say it's revolutionary

[young mortar]

everyone knows Vercel patended a grid layout

[vague walrus]

CSS shaking in its boots rn

[naive agate]

LMAO

vercel is amazing though love that platform

[frank pasture]

It’s a joke tweet

[naive agate]

ik smh

You know what they need with the VR is FACETIME

LMAO

it would be so funny

[zenith mauve]

1. How long it takes for an update of a verified expansion in ecloud to be approved and appear again as verified?
2. I want to verify some of my expansions which i consider useful, funnycube can you?

[naive agate]

Its manual

so it depends on the availability

[zenith mauve]

[tacit ingot]

Ok Sorry i Will make It again tomorrow thanks

[zenith mauve]

In case funnycube or someone is available, let me know

[trim raft]

3500???

LMAOOO

[minor lintel]

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[14:35:12] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: Player632 » what i tought
[14:35:33] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: Player632 » i need to edit another HUD element
[14:35:47] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: FallSkySoldier22 » alr
[14:36:01] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: Player632 » the players widget doesn't filter nametags
[14:36:48] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: FallSkySoldier22 » bruh
[14:36:57] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: Player632 » WG bypass
[14:37:06] [Async Chat Thread - #1/INFO]: Player632 » i'm usign it rn
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[14:41:53] [Async Chat Thread - #2/INFO]: Player174 » you probably don't see it
[14:41:56] [Async Chat Thread - #2/INFO]: FallSkySoldier22 » ik
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[14:52:49] [Async Chat Thread - #3/INFO]: Player883 » i see you
[14:53:21] [Async Chat Thread - #3/INFO]: Player883 » the player radar is patched!
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My server is public, but not promoted since it's just for personal friends / family Found some chatlogs from some random people apparently cheating on the server.

Do some people just scan IPs and then test their cheats on random empty servers?
Do I have to worry about this in any way?
Here's the chat logs (+ 1 million "moved to quickly")

[sullen sorrel]

if it's just for personal friends / family I'd turn on a whitelist anyways

but maybe people scan IPs

especially if your server is on port 25565

[minor lintel]

well it shouldn't be a problem because the entire world is build protected by default, but now that I accidentally stumbled upon those chat logs I wonder how many times this has happened before over the years 😄

[twin dune]

Are you hosting on a shared hosting provider?

[minor lintel]

Nope, it's self-hosted on an ipv4 address I own.

[twin dune]

Likely got bored and took one IP and changed-up the numbers to see what would happen. 😄

[minor lintel]

Just hope their WG bypass doesn't bypass build protection. Would suck to find out half a year later they've blown something up 🤷‍♀️

[sullen sorrel]

do u have coreprotect?

[minor lintel]

nope, no logging plugin at all

[sullen sorrel]

i assume you don't have an anticheat either 🥲
I'd whitelist the server, change the port, or something like that to prevent griefing

if theres a lot of ppl, maybe its posted online somewhere

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[minor lintel]

are there any public worldguard vulnerability right now that can be used to circumvent build protection?

as long as the build protection is doing its job i dont really worry much

[sullen sorrel]

oh the entire world is protected (I misunderstood that as only spawn)

how do family/friends edit it?

wait is this not an smp

[minor lintel]

it is an smp with the entire thing protected by default. I wrote a smol website that basically allows a few moderators to add people to regions.

[sullen sorrel]

ah ic

interesting

[dusky summit]

worldguard is fine

[naive agate]

https://adamh.tech/2023/06/Discord_rumXAr8aQw.png

[sullen sorrel]

what are expressions

[analog marlin]

according to that it's a permission to manage emotes + stickers + sounds

so the three are lumped together to be referred to as 'expressions'

[naive agate]

pretty much instead of admin only to upload or ig manage those stuff they broke it down

😛

[vague walrus]

Finally

[frank pasture]

You buying one?

[chilly brook]

Im probably late to the party but is this true? Mineplex will return? https://twitter.com/SamitoFPS/status/1662161491968000004

Samito (@SamitoFPS)

As of today I have acquired 100% of @Mineplex and am fully committed to bringing the passion that changed the lives of tens of millions of players around the world.

I've got no further information at this point, but I'm very excited to bring the heat for you guys.

MUCH LOVE!

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[frank pasture]

yes

[chilly brook]

damn

when i was a kid i wanted to play on it so bad but i didnt have a minecraft copy

when i got my first copy, it was irrelevant already :/

[frank pasture]

Damn how old are you then

[chilly brook]

uhh im not that old

im 21

[frank pasture]

Oh similar then, I'm 22, 23 in Nov

[chilly brook]

nice

[frank pasture]

I miss the Mineplex private server things

[chilly brook]

i guess everyone is similar age here?

[chilly brook]

what was it?

is it the same what hypixel has?

[frank pasture]

You could have your own sub-server, and play minigames with friends

Basically a private lobby

[chilly brook]

yeah

sounds like a donator only feature

[stark rapids]

nah i am fresh adult

[tacit nova]

Im actually 70

[chilly brook]

trust

[blazing oar]

I am 19 😢

[boreal escarp]

@ebon storm https://vm.tiktxk.com/ZGJx3k2ch/

[ebon storm]

this link looks shady af lol

[boreal escarp]

Nvm it is only a request 😭

Ah no, it is something like fxtwitter for the embed to work on discord

[ebon storm]

ah

[sullen sorrel]

But wheres the embed

[boreal escarp]

Thats the fun part 🤣

[muted fern]

gaby scamming again

[sullen sorrel]

again

[boreal escarp]

Fc shut up and read #staff-chat 😦

[muted fern]

read what

[boreal escarp]

See my ping smh

From yesterday

[twin dune]

I got banned from Mineplex on the first day I got Minecraft lmfao.

I joined and refused to move to be able to talk in chat... so I got perm banned for being a bot.

[tacit nova]

Lolololo

[chilly brook]

bruh...

why did you refuse?

[twin dune]

It's called having the mind of a 10 year old.

[chilly brook]

well damn

also why didnt they just kick you

[twin dune]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

It was Mineplex.

[chilly brook]

exactly

"was"

[eternal apex]

is mineplex back on yet

[tacit nova]

The new one will be hyped for the first few weeks and then prob fall off again

[eternal apex]

the new one got canned already

the old mineplex is meant to be coming back

old owner or something came back and bought it

[blazing oar]

yes, but mineplex will be only bedrock at the start

[tacit nova]

Bruh

[hearty wren]

bedrock only

they know they can make more money off those microtransaction-hungry kids

[tacit nova]

Yeah

These creditcard-stealing kids

[boreal escarp]

lol

[hearty wren]

look at this on the site lmao

"minecoins"

[sturdy bobcat]

[boreal escarp]

3 motes though

good deal for only 10$ if you really care ab those things 🤣

[spare rock]

40 bucks and u get 1 texturepack

[boreal escarp]

I think that 1600 coins are more than 10$

[hearty wren]

hey they went back to calling them texture packs

or maybe its different system for bedrock

[tacit nova]

Imagine playing Bedrock

[zenith mauve]

[woven prairie]

This is why servers love Geyser, cause Bedrock players spend

[boreal escarp]

https://50cent.com/ 😳

[unreal venture]

bedrock is yikes :/

isnt like 1 bedrock player = 3-4 java players?

[boreal escarp]

?

[unreal venture]

idk i heard from somewhere that a bedrock player from geyser equals to 3-4 java players performance wise 🤷🏻‍♂️

[autumn helm]

:L

[spare rock]

heard its about 2

[fallow crow]

about the nitro... actually i got that from epicgames

[idle galleon]

fr

[fallow crow]

they still got a deal for that right now?

[fallow crow]

It will end tmr

7th June will end the free nitro, and a great time for the mc 1.20 release

[fallow crow]

what did 1.20 add?

[light scaffold]

fuck all

[autumn helm]

https://www.windowscentral.com/gaming/minecraft/minecraft-1-20-update

[fallow crow]

🥲

[autumn helm]

@idle galleon #showcase message it not finish right ?

[vagrant pike]

i borked it

[autumn helm]

hmm.. my menu become weird

sometime give me many warn, sometime its not

[vagrant pike]

ok

[naive agate]

https://archive.ph/6rreZ

Discord really fuckin up

[boreal escarp]

ofc

[vague walrus]

When the consequences of hierarchy strikes

[fallow crow]

i dont get it what happened

[pseudo sigil]

Honestly the username change was stupid from the start. The discriminator was literally what kept discord unique.

Discord saying "it was too difficult to remember" is bs. You have to pull out your phone anyway to add them, how hard is it to press 1 extra button and show them your discrimator.

[idle galleon]

not yet, but the website works

[fallow crow]

ye discrim was 100% better, L discord

[sullen sorrel]

I mean I don't think ones better than the other, but transitioning from discrim to unique usernames is not so good

[chilly brook]

did you actually get the new apple vision? or is it jus a photoshop

(your pfp)

[frank pasture]

Yeah 🥽

[chilly brook]

is it like a vr headset?

i heard that you can like control it with ur eyes

[frank pasture]

Yeah it’s their new one, but lol I don’t have it, doesn’t come out until next year

[chilly brook]

like look at things and

[frank pasture]

https://www.figma.com/community/file/1247647482032173556

[chilly brook]

idk somehow just control it

[chilly brook]

oh sheeee

[frank pasture]

Just thought it was funny 😂

It’s $3,500 can’t justify

[naive agate]

LOL

2k fine but 3.5k fuck that

[chilly brook]

kappa emoji

[frank pasture]

LOL

[chilly brook]

w 3.5k u can buy a pretty decent car in my country

[naive agate]

or in any country

[chilly brook]

well idk about other countries

but yeah

[trim raft]

holy fuckaroni batman

[naive agate]

https://twitter.com/ben_ferns/status/1665907480600391682 YALL SEE THIS?

Ben Ferns (@ben_ferns)

Someone figured out you could use Stable Diffusion (+ControlNet) to adapt QRs into images while still having them work reliably: https://t.co/lKPJDF9gvr

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this is crazy

[vague walrus]

This is a reasonable use of AI tbqh

[naive agate]

yup

its amazing

[fallow crow]

that's hot, oh that's hot

[vague walrus]

Still wish they didn't use research (stolen) assets, but that's a different issue I suppose.

[trim raft]

[frank pasture]

Got my loan approved on my VisionPro!

Just 240 simple monthly payments of $27.13

Literally a steal

[naive agate]

this is frm twitter

smh

I saw this like 5 minutes ago

[frank pasture]

LOL

[naive agate]

https://twitter.com/0xgaut/status/1666125125291323403

gaut (@0xgaut)

Got my loan approved on my VisionPro!

Just 240 simple monthly payments of $27.13

Literally a steal

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Twitter · Jun 6, 2023, 4:49 PM

smh

[chilly brook]

so basically 20yrs of payments?

[frank pasture]

Idk I’m not good with maths

😂

I failed school for a reason

[chilly brook]

idk im about to lose 4 years worth of school due to not knowing if i want to work as a programmer anymore

(maybe abt to lose)

[blazing oar]

WHY

[unreal venture]

[blazing oar]

^^

[frank pasture]

Lmfaooooo oof

[blazing oar]

Say you are an apple fanboy without saying anything xD

[frank pasture]

If it has an apple logo on it, instant buy

[blazing oar]

easily predicted

L + Ratio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uc6lM1Aig9c

[trim raft]

no way this succeeds

you could buy a car with that money

remove a 0 from the price and now we're talking

[blazing oar]

production of it costs 1.5k apparently

so 2k for brand

lol

[trim raft]

we can only people forget about it by the time it launches and it fails

[unreal venture]

2h lifetime? bffr 💀

[frank pasture]

No different to the cost of a MacBook tho

[trim raft]

they advertise watching movies in it yet you can't even finish most movies, including one they showed, EEAAO, on a full charge

[pseudo sigil]

Doesn't seem to work for me

[trim raft]

Why browse the web like this when you could buy a mac and use it for a hundred other tasks too, its not practical. also looks fucking goofy ahh

[naive agate]

worked for me atleast the first one that I tried

[boreal escarp]

yeah exactly

Cool concept ig but too pricy

[vagrant pike]

🥴 apple 🥴 vision 🥴

goofy ahh

[blazing oar]

at least a macbook is useful and can be used for a whole day

[frank pasture]

Technically so can Apple Vision if you leave it plugged in

(As you can use it plugged in if you want)

[vague walrus]

That's actually incorrect

I will unplug any and all Apple Visions 2 minutes after they've been plugged in.

[blazing oar]

I am speaking about battery life if you didn't notice.

Vision Pro is cool, yes, innovative, yes but a complete waste of money to buy right now

it's like a tech demo

and it will take years for it to be somewhat usable

[frank pasture]

For sure, but if Gen 1 is this good now, imagine in a few years time

[vagrant pike]

Yes got a huge dub, project rated 10/10

😎

[blazing oar]

it's def. not good. Your phone can do a lot more than vision can, can hold more than 2 hours, and well, depending if you are an apple fanboy or not, it can cost 3x less (if iphone) or WAY less if you go for other brands. You already have a big fat powerful mini computer for 3x the price of that, and it's something that is actually portable, unlike vision, which isn't. Doubt anyone will go outside and use it. This will be mostly used at home or meetings, etc. There is simply 0 advantages to it. Like, actually 0.

A phone is still faster to browse, use and communicate than those.

And as said before, vision is "so good" to watch movies, that it can't even handle a full movie on it because of it's battery lmao

At this point, it's just Apple milking it's fanboys (like usual)

[boreal escarp]

How dare you Afonso

[blazing oar]

Reality check be like

[young mortar]

can't you just plug in a huge battery to it? it highlighted it was detachable

[frank pasture]

Yup lol, there will be guys like Anker doing it no doubt

[blazing oar]

yeah sure, go buy another battery for an extra 2 hours for only 499!

[frank pasture]

You’re so negative lol, with everything

[young mortar]

what lol

[blazing oar]

Oh wait, even better, want to watch a full movie, without changing batteries?! Buy this 4 hour car battery pack, for only 899!

[young mortar]

it's just a USB C most likely

i'm sure there will be third party batteries for cheap lol

[blazing oar]

Yeah, after you spend 3.5k on it lmao

[frank pasture]

So what

You buy a phone and buy a battery bank, you buy a laptop and get a battery bank

It’s no different really

[blazing oar]

not negative, it's straight facts, it's innovative and a technological leap, yes, but completely useless and overpriced

[blazing oar]

there is a difference, one is portable and used almost, all the time, the other is also portable with a bag, and is also used a big chunk of the day, and both are actually useful, compared to the Vision UwU Pro, which is neither

[boreal escarp]

I've never seen anyone with a battery bank for a laptop

[blazing oar]

oh wait, did I also say, it costs 3x less?

also true lol

like, ever in my short life

[young mortar]

the point is that it's an awesome VR headset

obviously a laptop will be better for most people for now, and far cheaper

[blazing oar]

yeah sure, it's cool, but you can get an awesome VR for 499!

[young mortar]

what, an Oculus or something?

[blazing oar]

instead of 499 with a 3 before it

[frank pasture]

I have one, for the plane

[blazing oar]

yes, quest 3 to be precise

[young mortar]

the resolution is dramatically better on the apple one lol

and besides the better computing power, etc.

it's just a different product

they're not really comparable

[blazing oar]

their price and usage surely is

[boreal escarp]

3500$ vs 500$ though

[young mortar]

yeah the oculus is a dollar store product

[frank pasture]

Guy just wants to be negative lol, that’s why - Apple have done a lot with this, price aside, the tech is insane and many companies will jump ship to it

[boreal escarp]

anyways it is always fun to watch apple debates

[young mortar]

the resolution on the apple one is like, amazing

i was extremely impressed with how many pixels they pack on there

[blazing oar]

never said it wasn't, legit said the opposite

it just triggers me that apple is able to milk (no other word for it tbh) so many people

[frank pasture]

https://amzn.eu/d/d5g4o4y - so good for charging laptop quickly on the plane

[young mortar]

it is a significantly better product

i don't think you understand that

the pixel density of that bitch is better than any display I've ever seen

[frank pasture]

No other device on the market compares to this either, so you can’t say they’re milking people 😂

[young mortar]

significantly better than the Valve Index, than the Oculus Quest, etc.

[blazing oar]

I do, but it's def. not worth what they ask for and def. won't be used.

[young mortar]

and it has an entire M2 and a brand new chip the R1

[blazing oar]

It's simple to predict what will happen, you buy it, you are excited, UwU and everything for a few weeks

[young mortar]

I think the value comparison is a lot closer than you think

[blazing oar]

and then guess what, you never touch it again lol

[blazing oar]

23m pixels, btw

[young mortar]

yeah that is amazing

in a like 2 inch area

[frank pasture]

4k resolution in each eye too 😍

[blazing oar]

I know, it's a technological leap

[young mortar]

my high resolution flip out camera screen on my $4000 camera has 1.something million pixels in like a 3x5inch thing

[blazing oar]

proud of it

doesn't mean I approve it

[young mortar]

what is there to approve lol

[blazing oar]

well, maybe not the right choice of words

[young mortar]

the raw parts cost is a large chunk of the actual price

[blazing oar]

1.5k cost

[young mortar]

much closer than I initially thought it would be

[blazing oar]

2k is just for the apple with a bite in it

[young mortar]

source for this?

[blazing oar]

give me a sec

[frank pasture]

Source: trust me bro

[young mortar]

yeah like what lol

they literally just released the actual price

no way people already know the parts cost

[frank pasture]

I do laugh, it’s the same guys who said a 4k MacBook is “not worth it” and “not used”

[young mortar]

plus the cost of like, recouping the probably billions of R&D spent on making this tech

[frank pasture]

It just isn’t fit for you

[young mortar]

like obviously this isn't for everyone

it's a high end device, and it looks fucking awesome

[frank pasture]

It’s apparently been worked on since like 2016 or some shit 😂 so mental, idk how they held this back

[blazing oar]

even less than I thought, https://knapsack.news/why-is-the-apple-vision-pro-so-expensive/

[frank pasture]

I start building a project and want to tell people within days

[young mortar]

that's not an actual source

[blazing oar]

give me a few secs, can get even more sources

[young mortar]

that's pure speculation

[frank pasture]

It fucking does, and compare to https://twitter.com/flyosity/status/1665794315296047104?s=46

Mike Rundle (@flyosity)

Meanwhile at Meta

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Twitter · Jun 5, 2023, 6:54 PM

[blazing oar]

even if not 100% accurate, it pretty well is 80% at least

[frank pasture]

It’s like a HUGE differencd 😂😂

[young mortar]

what the fuck are you talking about dude?

are you high or something? did apple spit in your cereal?

you're literally just making shit up to hate on an awesome new product because it's priced out of your buying power

[blazing oar]

the fact anyone/everyone pays for the apple icon than the product itself

and that's a fact for all their products

[young mortar]

the M-series chips are superb

and their software support for iPhones, etc. keeps me coming back

[blazing oar]

could legit buy at least 4

[young mortar]

Apple Pencil for iPads

CarPlay, etc.

I could list a million reasons why I buy Apple products

[blazing oar]

What's new in those?

[young mortar]

?

[blazing oar]

what's so, "wow" on why those are reasons you buy apple products

[young mortar]

what I just listed

M-series chips are the best power efficiency CPU on the market right now

[blazing oar]

you listed products, not why they are "wow"

[vague walrus]

For an artist IPad and Pencile go hard, and I hate apple.

[blazing oar]

agree

[young mortar]

the Apple Pencil is the best stylus I've ever used for a virtual tablet

[vague walrus]

I've used a few and I'm inclined to agree

[young mortar]

CarPlay is more or less similar to Android Auto or whatever but meh, I am happy

[frank pasture]

Apple may not always be the cheapest, but boy have I never had the same or similar experience with any other brand

[young mortar]

the software, the reliability, and the ecosystem are what keep me in the rest of the products

[vague walrus]

Ad Populus, but every tattoo artist I know uses Ipad/Pencil