off-topic

[young mortar]

maybe they rewrite the entire API to be mostly threadsafe, instead of the not at all it is right now

maybe they just delete all of the String-based things everywhere and only use Componenets, would probably be good honestly lol

[sullen sorrel]

Oh so if they hard fork it's like "we don't care if our api matches spigot anymore"?

[young mortar]

yes that's the entire point

[full atlas]

The majority of spigot users/devs swear by that api too but it has plenty of flaws. And even md_5 complains when you use methods that aren't accessible by the api.

[young mortar]

literally all it means is that they don't have 100% compatibility with Spigot's API

[pseudo sigil]

[sullen sorrel]

Also it was mentioned in the post but I never really thought of it but if they hard fork then won't it become like sponge?
And the majority moving back to spigot/puffer fish/etc?

[young mortar]

Well, the majority of people are already using Paper

[sullen sorrel]

Ye

[young mortar]

and also it would not change drastically at first, so there'd be basically no reason to go back to Spigot

[sullen sorrel]

But I mean like if 90% of their plugins break

[young mortar]

90% of their plugins won't break

that would quite defeat the purpose wouldn't it

[sullen sorrel]

I doubt many small plugins will add modules for multi compat

If paper hard forks

[young mortar]

no, most small plugins will only support paper instead

that's what you do when there's an 80% market share API and a < 5% market share API

[pseudo sigil]

There's a reason why a crap ton of people don't use Velocity. Even though it's pretty good in the long run, it just doesn't support all the plugins you need.

[sullen sorrel]

They can't post on spigotmc
It'll probably be at least a year or so after paper might become the norm again after it hard forks

[full atlas]

People maybe using paper but the plugins are still mostly spigot/bukkit api.

If paper was to make their own api/lib it might take awhile for users to move back to paper.

[sullen sorrel]

And if hangar isn't out by the hard fork

Then itll prob be worse

[young mortar]

That's not analogous

Velocity was never a hard fork of anything

it was just created from nothing to be a better proxy

[sullen sorrel]

But let's say paper breaks like 40% of the api

With its hard fork

[young mortar]

Hence Hangar, we start the transition slowly

jesus christ it will not

[pseudo sigil]

Fair, but same concept. You can't use a lot of plugins on it due to the compatibility of em.

[young mortar]

i think you have a fundamental misunderstanding dkim

there's not going to just be one day where every single plugin breaks and the world erupts into chaos

[sullen sorrel]

OK how about this part then
If they remove send message string
Then the majority of spigot plugins will break

[young mortar]

yeah that's why they're not going to do that at first

the things I listed aren't first steps

it's a long, long, long term plan

years in the making, and with years to come

[sullen sorrel]

Oh ok

Although wb sponge?
Isn't that like a spigot alternative? (I don't use it so I don't really know what it is)

[young mortar]

likely they'll get everyone off of SpigotMC ASAP, then announce a hard fork, and not change anything for a few months

give people time to migrate over

[pseudo sigil]

This may be stupid but does paper make any money at all?

[regal juniper]

Hangar is in closed beta btw.

[young mortar]

a known place where to get new plugins, etc.

[young mortar]

Someday™️ lmao

[young mortar]

Sponge was never Spigot compatible (or at least not that I know of)

[regal juniper]

That's all I can say for now.

It's chugging along

[young mortar]

this is a very unique situation I think you guys are misunderstanding a lot lol

[sullen sorrel]

I wonder if puffer fish would also follow papers hard fork

[young mortar]

you should really read that person's blogpost about it

it answers basically all of your questions, including that one

[sullen sorrel]

Ye ik

But I'm saying

[young mortar]

https://madelinemiller.dev/blog/paper-hard-fork/

[light scaffold]

They should rewrite paper in rust

[young mortar]

lmao

[light scaffold]

When the hard fork comes

Keep a java api with JNI

[full atlas]

Sponge was suppose to be the "modded server" api. At the time spigot had a lot of limitations where mods needed a server api to access.

[young mortar]

spigot still does have a lot of limitations

it can't run stuff clientside lol

[full atlas]

Definitely lol

[regal juniper]

They aren't going to just be like "let's release this and remove get offline player(string)"

[young mortar]

it just seems the winner of the mod race is Fabric

[regal juniper]

Though they are going to be having Paper Plugins, which will be interesting.

[young mortar]

sadly there's so much infrastructure setup for the Bukkit-based way of life

[regal juniper]

A much more extended API to access internals.

[young mortar]

give us mixins and clientside support

man Paper should just introduce Fabric compat

[sullen sorrel]

What happened to bukkit
How come spigot didn't die like bukkit?

[young mortar]

Bukkit got DMCA'd

[sullen sorrel]

Oh

[young mortar]

Spigot is literally the same project just without the legal liability

[sullen sorrel]

Lol

[full atlas]

Yeah. I'm hoping to offer a decent api one day.

Currently working on my own yaml and json libs.

[sullen sorrel]

Uhhhhhhhhh

[regal juniper]

https://github.com/PaperMC/Paper/pull/8108

[young mortar]

oh snap that opens a lot of doors

wait they gettin rid of the library downloader 😔

sharing libraries in a central place is like, one of the best things md5 has ever done

[regal juniper]

Can't tell if you're kidding or not.

[young mortar]

i guess the Maven Central bandwidth thing is bad but still, makes me sad lol

maybe we're not talking about the same thing?

[regal juniper]

That's literally why Forge got a letter from Maven Central

[young mortar]

i mean how you can declare libraries in the plugin.yml and have it download them to a central location to be shared

same way libraries work in like linux distros

[regal juniper]

Yeah

[young mortar]

What is the point of Maven Central if not to distribute libraries? that's what I wanna know

[regal juniper]

Well they ask that you mirror it if you're constantly downloading the same stuff.

[young mortar]

but I mean people aren't, that's the whole point is that you can download any library

[regal juniper]

Hence why for like Guilds it hits my mirror to serve the bandwidth and my Nexus just pulls from upstream once

[sullen sorrel]

Maybe it could be a system like it checks in the mirror, if not found, resorts to mvn central

Bc mirror might not be updated

[young mortar]

i mean i just feel like they could be caching so much of this stuff and it would be super easy

[regal juniper]

Idk if they're fully removing it. I've discussed with Owen possible things like checksum checking and adding in mirrors.

[young mortar]

like i'm trying to think if any other package managers don't let you download packages when you need them

[regal juniper]

I will say it was useful, just not the best execution.

[young mortar]

I think that should certainly be looked at

[sullen sorrel]

Ah reminds me of that one time that a package manager app had like a dos attack built in

Accidentally

[young mortar]

if nobody ever shaded anything into a plugin again besides their own shit, that would be a dream

and a very space efficient one at that lol

[full atlas]

Gradle?

[sullen sorrel]

No

It was like in the search bar

Pamac or smth

[light scaffold]

That’s already how mirrors work lmao

[sullen sorrel]

Oh

[light scaffold]

They’re lazily loaded

[sullen sorrel]

Oh that makes sense...

[light scaffold]

You don’t just copy the whole repo

[analog marlin]

this is bs

int pairExp = (int) ((long) entry.get("exp"));

[young mortar]

i guess Paper could just host their own?

[analog marlin]

why do i need to cast to long first

stupid

[young mortar]

i dunno i still don't see why Maven Central doesn't want to serve packages, its sole job

[light scaffold]

Manjaro dosed the aur a while back if that’s what you mean

[regal juniper]

I know SkinRestorer accidentally ddosed GitHub I think it was.

[light scaffold]

😵‍💫

[sullen sorrel]

Wb like the files that say what the latest version js

[full atlas]

Are they able to? Isn't the whole point of it downloading the libs to get around the dmca on minecraft?

[magic summit]

wait what... for real?

[sullen sorrel]

Update checker prob

[light scaffold]

Those only exist for snapshots, and idk exactly. I expect there’s some caching policy

[young mortar]

we are not talking about the same things lmao

i'm talking about Spigot's libraries list in plugin.yml that will download Java dependencies from Maven Central at runtime so that you don't have to shadow them into your plugin jar

[sullen sorrel]

We are talking about spigot plugin yml libraries feature

That star said 1 second before me

[full atlas]

Nah I get what you're talking about I'm just saying that's one case of why they were downloading the libs.

[light scaffold]

We’re talking about spigot library loader btw

[sullen sorrel]

No

DMCA is for hosting the jar

[young mortar]

no you don't, and no it's not lol

[sullen sorrel]

Mc jar

[light scaffold]

And yeah no those are totally unrelated

^

[young mortar]

this has nothing to do with DMCA or copyright

[magic summit]

Wasn't that a debate about it being bad as it targets the main maven repo, which maven doesn't allow?

[full atlas]

Ah ok my bad

[young mortar]

yes that's what we're discussing right now. My point is that A. it's a good thing as it reduces total filesize and stops huge plugin jars and B. Maven Central's sole purpose in existence is to serve packages, so I don't understand why it wouldn't be allowed to use them to obtain packages

[magic summit]

They just don't like the load it may cause I guess

[light scaffold]

Serving packages for a developers local repo isn’t the same as acting as a CDN for free for potentially millions of servers

[young mortar]

I can't see it causing that much more load, there's not that many minecraft servers all things considered

[magic summit]

Which is kinda understandable... Mirrors can be made and I feel like md_5 could easily make a mirror for spigot to target

[young mortar]

do they not already act as a CDN basically?

[full atlas]

Eventually they will probs add a pay wall for their api

[young mortar]

i guess someone needs to make Maven Central's job and become a CDN?

[regal juniper]

https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/skinsrestorer.2124/update?update=287432

[light scaffold]

Yes but the scale is different

[young mortar]

well then this is obviously an untapped market lol

[light scaffold]

perhaps it is

[young mortar]

somebody set up some caching servers

[light scaffold]

If you can figure out the logistics go ahead

But why would I pay when I could host my own mirror

[young mortar]

i mean how do sites like jsdelivr and stuff work

[light scaffold]

i have no idea

Actual cdn services presumably

[young mortar]

that's exactly the same thing except like 10 million times more

there are way more website visits than Minecraft servers downloading dependencies a single time per update lol

[magic summit]

I think they use stuff like CF to cache things

[light scaffold]

yes which is why the js ecosystem needs stupidly powerful and expensive CDN networks

[young mortar]

yeah so we don't even need that much

[magic summit]

Tho JSDelivr doesn't like it too if you use them as a cheap image hosting

[sullen sorrel]

Btw
How do apt, mvn central, AUR, etc have the money to host?

[magic summit]

Donations? Maybe financed by state?

[full atlas]

Ads, donations etc..

[light scaffold]

central is run by sonatype

[magic summit]

Like where does the internet archive gets its money?

They host BILLIONS of site snapshots with files and everything

[long summit]

Yes, when I was working on slimjar we asked them about it and they pointed us to a page on the website pretty much saying "please don't do that" lol

[sullen sorrel]

There's no ads tho
So unless it's owned by a company it's gotta be donations or smth I havent thought of

[light scaffold]

Linux repos are often decentralised to a degree

[full atlas]

The main page has ads doesn't it?

[young mortar]

yeah lots of mirrors for Linux stuff

[light scaffold]

There might be a few “official” repos paid for by some foundation or sponsors, but often you’ll be using mirrors

[young mortar]

i have vivid memories of doing mirrorlists in pacman and stuff lol

[light scaffold]

Universities often provide Linux repo mirrors

[sullen sorrel]

Oh u mean main page

Idk I havent gone to it
But the majority of ppl won't go to the main page

[magic summit]

Perhaps that's the main reason maven wants you to use mirrors? Reduces calls -> Less money to pay

[young mortar]

let's get universities in on Java dependency hosting

[magic summit]

Would make the most sense

[light scaffold]

That’s exactly the reason lol

It’s the only rational reason

[young mortar]

yeah lol

[light scaffold]

I expect it costs a fair bit to run already

[young mortar]

i feel like Paper could pretty easily setup their own mirror though

[magic summit]

I personally like Jitpack and what it does tbh

[regal juniper]

They already do

[young mortar]

realistically people download dependencies like, once per plugin update max right

[light scaffold]

Everyone using it as a CDN would probably multiply the costs by 10

[young mortar]

it is not often that new dependencies are downloaded

[magic summit]

Simply allows me to have my code on a repo without having to deal with publishing it to MCentral and having to wait up to an hour to process

[sullen sorrel]

Should be instant

[magic summit]

And I can even define my own group ID for it

[sullen sorrel]

Or near instant

[long summit]

Tbh hosting a simple reposilite for projects is very easy and cheap, no need to jitpack

[sullen sorrel]

Or for even faster, could use sonatype url

[light scaffold]

yeah having your own repo >

[tacit nova]

Just to clarify, you are doing custom yaml/json implementations that will be worse than current ones while not working on your actual server software?

[sullen sorrel]

Then it's literally instant

[light scaffold]

Jitpack works about 30% of the time and makes stinky artifact ids

[magic summit]

I just use it because I know it and it's free for me without the need of any account (Except GitHub but I had that way before making API stuff)

[sullen sorrel]

But if ur gonna set the gradle and all that the might as well just use like mvn central, no?

[magic summit]

Stinky artifact IDs?

[light scaffold]

ugly

[magic summit]

Idk what you mean with that

[sullen sorrel]

Hard to figure out at first but for the rest it's just copy paste

[full atlas]

Unless this is what mavencentral does, there needs to be a site that just provides links between other repos/repo sites. (Simplistic explanation)

[light scaffold]

com.github.blah 🤢

[light scaffold]

What?

[sullen sorrel]

Wdym

[long summit]

Hosting your own doesn't have nearly the same requirements as central but yeah sure if you want, some might prefer to just host their own anyways

[magic summit]

You can customize it

[young mortar]

(Simplistic explanation)

[magic summit]

Like here

[full atlas]

So basically like what was said above host the repo your self but have others be able to access your repo via this site.

[young mortar]

DNS?

[light scaffold]

so a mirror list

[tacit nova]

Self hosted repos >>>

[light scaffold]

real

[magic summit]

Just requires a TXT file for git.<domain>.<tld> that points to your GitHub Account

[light scaffold]

Yeah that’s a lot of rffort

[young mortar]

yeah literally DNS lmao

[light scaffold]

When I could just host my own and have total control

[tacit nova]

I loved nexus but I love reposilite even more

[magic summit]

At least it isn't ugly anymore 😉

[tacit nova]

^

[full atlas]

Some what yeah. But the full repo as well as direct download

[sullen sorrel]

Requires vps + domain + users adding own repo (mvn central ftw)

[light scaffold]

What

[young mortar]

you're literally describing DNS, no?

[light scaffold]

I don’t care + I don’t care + I don’t care

[tacit nova]

Yapper idk what your trying to say

[young mortar]

or like, a mirror?

i'm quite confused

[light scaffold]

mvn central requires approval and shit

[magic summit]

yep

[tacit nova]

Why wouldn't anybody have that?

[light scaffold]

Jitpack is Jitpack

Self hosting >

[young mortar]

yeah so just host your own

[tacit nova]

I literally have a jitpack mirror on reposilite because it shits ifself so often

[magic summit]

GitHub packages was interesting, but it doesn't allow anonamous downloads which sucks and kinda destroys the entire purpose of a hosting like that

[sullen sorrel]

Ye
I'm just saying the first time is tough but after that it's good

[light scaffold]

I’m pretty sure it does nowadays

[young mortar]

man i'm reading the paper plugin PR Glare linked above, some cool stuff here

no more defining commands in the yml, you define them in code and they work with reloading and everything 😌

[full atlas]

Hmm trying to find a way to explain it better... yes like a mirror but more like proxy if that makes sense.

Request -> Main site -> self hosted repo -> Main Site -> Response

[light scaffold]

I think somehow you’ve explained it less

[young mortar]

what would be the point of having Main site as a proxy

[tacit nova]

What

Usecase please

[sullen sorrel]

I wouldn't do that

Bc what if someone submits a malicious one

Malicious mirror

[full atlas]

Less storage fees

[young mortar]

what is the point of the main site

that is the crux of the question

[magic summit]

I like the definition of a separate file.
It would finally allow me to have a single module for Spigot and Paper, getting rid of duplicate code while not having BS stuff like downloading kyori adventure for paper...

[young mortar]

why not just have your self hosted directly accessed

[full atlas]

Single site, encrypted headway

[young mortar]

yeah no I'm pretty hyped

[young mortar]

"Encrypted headway"?

[full atlas]

For people wanting to home host

[magic summit]

Same. The new /pl list looks promising too.

[young mortar]

i don't think home hosting would ever be a good idea

[sullen sorrel]

Home hosting a mirror used by who knows how many people

[young mortar]

and using a proxy maven artifact server to tunnel into your home network is a bizarre proposition

[tacit nova]

Give an example where you would use this

Main site is kinda not specific

[young mortar]

i figured what he meant was like a way to not have to define repositories in your gradle config

just one website that had a big list of where all the artifacts were and could just send you there

that would actually be slightly useful

[full atlas]

So main site would just be the link so requests come in and it collects from the repos linked to it no connection between the repos and the "requester"

[tacit nova]

Oh i see

[young mortar]

so yeah literally a proxy for no reason

[tacit nova]

What about duplicate artifacts and troll artifacts?

[young mortar]

for a product that already has massive bandwidth costs and constraints

sure, let's tunnel all downloads through this service, i'm sure that'll be a good idea lmao

[full atlas]

I mean just like any site moderation would be needed. By person and/or automated.

[tacit nova]

Oh wow now it needs approval

You have invented Maven Central

[full atlas]

Moderated. Users can report.

[young mortar]

Maven Central but with the unreliability of tunneling into your desktop PC

[tacit nova]

Yup

And massive bandwidth costs

[full atlas]

Maven central with out its own storage 😉

Like brister said mirror. But no direct connection from requester to repo

[tacit nova]

What's the point of that?

[elfin heath]

If you have any questions, let me know. 🙂
I’m the author of the PR.

[fallow crow]

java.net.ConnectException: Connection timed out: connect

idk where to ask tbh i hope this channel is right

im trying to host my server on my pc (localhost) and it's been working but since 1 month i keep getting thiswhenever i try to run it, server is 1.19 anyone has any idea how to fix it.. been googling for hours

[full atlas]

Security for self hosting....

[regal juniper]

@young mortar ^^

Didn't know if you wanted to ask questions about library loading to Owen

[young mortar]

oh snap

[tacit nova]

What extra security would that bring?

[full atlas]

I explained that already

[tacit nova]

"No connection between requester and repo"?

Also those had to be stored in ram because you said no storage, so what about many users requesting different packages at the same time?

[young mortar]

I mean not really, I just hope that Paper can host their own mirror of Maven Central or something so that we can keep and hopefully dramatically encourage the use of listing dependencies somewhere and having them downloaded and shared in a central location

[tacit nova]

That's what I just said?

[trim raft]

Oh yeah Is that paper plugin site out yet?

[tacit nova]

What advantages would that provide?

[young mortar]

Closed Beta from what Glare said earlier

[regal juniper]

@elfin heath Do you have any input on this? I know we had talked about at one point allowing users to specify what reposed to download them from but that was mid last year so I don't think it really went anywhere. I do know you said that this would kind of replace our system for what I was working on for Paper.

[dusky summit]

i thought paper repo mirrored central already?

[regal juniper]

I'm pretty sure they do

[blazing oar]

As said, closed beta alpha, but pss, don't tell anyone 👀, you can check it here: https://hangar.papermc.io/

[young mortar]

oh wow it actually looks quite nice, looks very similar to Modrinth lol

Vue is an interesting choice, maybe I should learn that too lmao

[blazing oar]

Svelte is better

just saying

[young mortar]

haha, so true

[blazing oar]

Vite + Svelte + SvelteKit + Tailwind is simply the best combo you can get

[young mortar]

have you looked at Astro?

it has taken ahold of me recently for its focus on server side generation/rendering, easy markdown support, nice server-only component framework, and general JS framework interoperability

[blazing oar]

I have. TBH, it looks quite awesome

I haven't had the chance to use it yet though

Astro is heavily inspired in Svelte if I recall correctly

[young mortar]

yeah lotta good stuff

it also seems like a very good choice for a site like the ones i work on where you have mostly static content and just a few pages of interactivity

my big thing is now that I'm going to need to migrate away from just pure Django to using Django as the backend and having a completely separate frontend, and all the challenges that involves

[blazing oar]

It has integrations with basically all frameworks

including svelte

[young mortar]

especially difficult because I've never done it before lol

[young mortar]

yeah ik

so i can use one framework per page 😌

great way of learning I suppose!

[blazing oar]

I still haven't figured out which I will use for my personal website

whenever I do it

still have other projects to finish lol

Outside of MC ofc, since my bukkit skills completely suck

[young mortar]

lol

[blazing oar]

I can try forever, I will keep sucking xd

some people just stay at their level and can't evolve

I am stuck at dumb level

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I even wanted to contribute to some OS projects

but like, they do everything so pretty and god damn organized and following all god damn principles that I don't even dare to touch it

lol

[elfin heath]

I vaguely remember us maybe talking about that? Would be an interesting proposition.

[mellow wedge]

cleaned up the keyboard a little bit

so sad qwertyiop is too many characters wide for an mc menu

[mellow wedge]

@coarse vale nested coming in clutch for backspacing

  'backspace':
    material: paper
    slot: 6
    nbt_ints:
    - 'CustomModelData:5'
    display_name: 'Backspace'
    click_requirement:
      requirements:
        length:
          type: '>'
          input: '%string_length_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}%'
          output: 1
          deny_commands:
          - '[meta] remove keyboard STRING s'
          - '[openguimenu] keyboard'
    click_commands:
    - '[meta] set keyboard STRING %nested_3_string_substring_0,{math_0:_{string_length_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_S}}-1}_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_S}%'
    - '[openguimenu] keyboard'

[strange estuary]

https://i.imgur.com/4e8hBMX.png

How did I do for my first ever GUI title? (I didn't make the beautiful gamemode icons)

[mellow wedge]

what if it was colored in white/anything

I feel the same color as background makes it a little hard to read

[mellow wedge]

also I mean the text itself

[mellow wedge]

Also, you want to keep consistent with shadows

So if your menu (vanilla menus do this) has the light coming from the top left, you want the lighter part to be on the top and the left side (not just top) and the shadows on the bottom and the right side

I'm looking at the header and I see only the top with light, which gives an interesting effect, but I wonder how it would look if the light was also on the left side

Could look better, could look worse 🤷‍♂️

but you see the icons do the same thing

If you look at my keyboard (edited now) I swapped the slots completely (just rotated them 180 degrees essentially) and it makes them look like buttons that are popping out instead of slots that are indented

but I bet if I swapped the shadows on the outside of the menu itself it would look like slots again iinstead of buttons

Well, the text shadows play into that as well I suppose

I really am no graphic artist, nor do I really understand everything I'm saying, but 🤷‍♂️

[strange estuary]

I’ll try to tweak it and see how it goes!

[coarse vale]

are you doing a keyboard in DeluxeMenus? x)

[trim raft]

#showcase

[coarse vale]

that's awesome

we might not even need CommandPrompt anymore x)

[mellow wedge]

right!

definitely easier to type in chat.. but

concept

[boreal escarp]

https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/10zstqg/your_tesla_is_not_in_your_house/j87kfpq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 lmao, sounds like smth americans would do, and not only them sadly LOL

[dusky summit]

lmao

[boreal escarp]

https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/im-afraid-of-paper-hard-fork.590436/#post-4544407 🤣 🤣 🤣

[blazing oar]

I swear to god

I love andre

😂

he made my morning

and probs day

[torn hatch]

Has anyone bought Hogwarts Legacy?

[eternal apex]

bought and no

[torn hatch]

oh bruh

[light scaffold]

dark souls but midder

[torn hatch]

thinking about getting it

[light scaffold]

and more antisemetic

[torn hatch]

but not sure

[eternal apex]

i did play a harry potter game on my phone about 10 years ago

was a spells game

[light scaffold]

lego harry potter went hard

[torn hatch]

hahaha yes

Hogwarts Legacy is 74$ 😮

[eternal apex]

what's the game even about

[torn hatch]

About creating your own Wizard or something

[eternal apex]

wizard

[torn hatch]

damn

knew that my English was far from good

[light scaffold]

that alone is reason to not buy it

thats outrageously expensive

[torn hatch]

Yes and I think it drops in a few months tho

Thats most of the time the case with Epic Games

[eternal apex]

ew it's on epic

[torn hatch]

Not necessarily if I am correct

[eternal apex]

i try to only buy games on steam

keep everything together

[boreal escarp]

probably not that fast, is it not new?

[torn hatch]

Dyling Light 2 is now 50% off btw on Epic

[torn hatch]

Yes, but Epic Games has that sometimes

[elfin minnow]

its on steam

[magic summit]

Thanks I guess.

[blazing oar]

xD np

I just laughed a lot with the straight facts you said

[magic summit]

Yep. MiniDigger even tagged me on the Paper server and said he agrees with most points (Except with Spigot still being the more popular choice)

Someone btw shared some funky bugs in discord... Really love one of them being, that the ‫ tag is being moved to inside the message ‫

[blazing oar]

wait what

how

th

[strange estuary]

(tried) to tweak it to your suggestions CJ

[boreal escarp]

lol

[strange estuary]

I think I did a poor job on this but it's whatever, I'm still experimenting 😛

[boreal escarp]

the title is hard to read though

[strange estuary]

In black or white?

I replied to the black version

[boreal escarp]

white, black is fine

[strange estuary]

Gotcha, ty!

[boreal escarp]

with white you have a light color on a very light background

[strange estuary]

Blame CJ for that

I tried to fix some shadowing but it looks a bit off imo now, the text is nicer though

[magic summit]

https://discord.hasgoodui.design/#edit-message-bug

[magic summit]

Same.
When Satisfactory came to Steam did I yeet the Epic Store from my PC

[blazing oar]

ty

[magic summit]

yw

[wintry musk]

Guys, can you recommend me a good hosting (vps)

[twin dune]

?hosting

[honest thistle]

FAQ Answer:

Free:

• Openshift: https://www.openshift.com/
  2gb of memory, automatically expires after 60 days, but you can resubscribe as often as you'd like.
• Heroku: https://heroku.com/
  No CLI or SSH, no file access, might make your app sleep if you reach monthly uptime limit.
• AWS (Free tier) https://aws.amazon.com/free/
  Free tier containers from Amazon, expires in 12 months
• Google Cloud Platform (Free tier) https://cloud.google.com/
  Free tier google cloud servers

For more see: ?hosting-free

Paid:

• OVH: https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/
  Full VPS starting at $3.49USD/month, choice of OS, high reliability.
• Digital Ocean: https://m.do.co/
  Starting at $5/month (USD), you can have your own server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 512MB Memory.
• Linode: https://www.linode.com/
  Starting at $5/month (USD), you can have a server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 1GB memory
• Vultr: https://www.vultr.com/
  Starting at $2.5/month (USD), you can have a server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 512MB Memory
• Time4VPS: https://www.time4vps.eu/
  Starting at €0.66/month, get 20GB Storage, 512MB Memory, 0.5TB Bandwidth, and Daily/Weekly backups.
  Various Linux OS distributions, IP addons and instant cPanel/WHM licenses.
• VIRMACH: http://virmach.com/
  Full Windows and Linux Desktop VPS starting at $7USD/month and $10USD/month respectively.
• Sloppy: https://sloppy.io/
  Starting at 5$/month (USD) You can have 500MB Memory, 1TB Transfer per month and 16GB of storage. Extra
  storage and ram can be bought.
• Bithost: https://bithost.io/
  Just a forwarder to DO, but here you can pay with crypto currencies like bitcoin, dogecoin, etc

For more see: ?hosting-paid

Requested by: Mackenzie Molloy • hosting

[median geode]

?hosting-paid

[honest thistle]

FAQ Answer:

Paid:

• OVH: https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/
  Full VPS starting at $3.49USD/month, choice of OS, high reliability.
• Digital Ocean: https://m.do.co/
  Starting at $5/month (USD), you can have your own server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 512MB Memory.
• Linode: https://www.linode.com/
  Starting at $5/month (USD), you can have a server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 1GB memory
• Vultr: https://www.vultr.com/
  Starting at $2.5/month (USD), you can have a server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 512MB Memory
• Amazon(AWS) Lightsail: https://amazonlightsail.com/
  Starting at $5/month (USD) (first month free), you can have your own server with 20GB SSD Disk, and 512MB Memory.
• Time4VPS: https://www.time4vps.eu/
  Starting at €0.66/month, get 20GB Storage, 512MB Memory, 0.5TB Bandwidth, and Daily/Weekly backups.
  Various Linux OS distributions, IP addons and instant cPanel/WHM licenses.
• VIRMACH: http://virmach.com/
  Full Windows and Linux Desktop VPS starting at $7USD/month and $10USD/month respectively.
• Sloppy: https://sloppy.io/
  Starting at 5$/month (USD) You can have 500MB Memory, 1TB Transfer per month and 16GB of storage. Extra
  storage and ram can be bought.
• Bithost: https://bithost.io/
  Just a forwarder to DO, but here you can pay with crypto currencies like bitcoin, dogecoin, etc
• Galaxygate https://www.galaxygate.net/
  Starting at 3$/month (USD), get 15GB of storage, 1GB of ram, and unmetered bandwidth.
• Hetzner: https://www.hetzner.com/cloud
  Starting price €2.99/month, good choice of OS, 1 vCPU, 2 GB RAM, 20 GB SSD storage, 10 TB traffic
• Revivenode: https://revivenode.com/dedicated.html
  Starting price $4/month, you get 1 CPU Core, 2 GB RAM, 12 GB SSD NVME storage

Requested by: Aapo • hosting-paid

[tacit nova]

lmao #1070594800950194237

[boreal escarp]

They probably meant 500 or 5000

[tacit nova]

lets hope so

[median geode]

?

There are nothing weird?

[tacit nova]

just laughing at the latest post in #1070594800950194237

[median geode]

Totally normal 😄

Mc scene salary is just shitty

[tacit nova]

a whole action server in two languages including a plugin?

yep

totally

[blazing oar]

People have become stupid

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[median geode]

If you do paid work people just scam or server is full p2w so it's just easier do everything for free

[blazing oar]

the issue isn't even the people asking for that amount

the issue is devs accepting those amounts and making it the default

Taking the value of the market

[median geode]

Issue is minecraft servers dont make profit and most cases owner pays those custom plugins

[vague walrus]

Labor theory of value moment

[dusky summit]

hello zod

I know you

[vague walrus]

Hi Emily

[dusky summit]

who's Emily?

[vague walrus]

Oh sorry. You're definitely not Emily

[dusky summit]

yeah

silly confusion

[vague walrus]

Without your mustache, you look a lot like...
Ah well nevermind then!

[dusky summit]

yeah I shaved

[vague walrus]

Do you play chess?

[dusky summit]

I do not

I did end up 3rd in a local competition tho

15 years ago

[vague walrus]

Ah, well if you never decide to get back into it hmu.

[dusky summit]

I'll keep that in mind

[vague walrus]

Ever*

[blazing oar]

visual confusion

[strange estuary]

Is there a way to edit the time on this potion icon?

So instead of it being light gray it could be a different color?

Couldn't find it in the en_us lang file (where night vision was)

[dusky summit]

not without a mod

[zenith mauve]

That looks amazing!

plot is the same as flashpoint but kinda weird to see kara instead of a skinny superman xd

[mellow wedge]

@daring bear Hey nice menu!

You should checkout using deluxemenus meta to store data

would be a lot faster than javascript for sure

[trim raft]

What did yall think of TF trailer?

[chilly brook]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/110x20o/strong_relationship/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[boreal escarp]

Amazing, I'm glad the brought the original batman back and also Ben Afleck ❤️ and why is there a Supergirl instead of Superman 😮

[daring bear]

Thanks! That helped a lot. I saw in your keyboard menu you opened the menu again after the user clicked on something and I was wondering why dont you just use refresh. What an smart idea. I normally just used refresh for my menus, if someone spam clicked an item with refresh it caused tps drops.

[blazing oar]

Didnt the main actor do sh@?

[boreal escarp]

Uh, Ezra Miller aka Flash? Yeah, I've heard that too

Such a shame tbh, he's doing good as Flash

[blazing oar]

I prefer the series show actor

[trim raft]

Multiverse. Different people play different characters

[boreal escarp]

all this multiverse thing is confusing

And especially on comics

[trim raft]

Oh definitely. Marvel didn't do it any favors with the general public in the movies either

[boreal escarp]

Yeah

I hope DC will produce some good quality shit, maybe this way marvel will start doing the same again smh

The Batman and Black Adam were great imo

[trim raft]

In Gunn we trust 🙏

[trim raft]

Everyones allowed their own opinion. While I disagree with the latter, im glad you enjoyed it

[boreal escarp]

This year I think we get 4 movies, The Flash, Aqua Man, Shazam 2 and .. one more

[trim raft]

Blue beetle

so hyped for that one

[boreal escarp]

Blue Beetle

[trim raft]

costume looks insane

[boreal escarp]

Custome?

Ahh, yes, is great!

And looks like next year they will release some joker movie and in 2025 The Batman 2 ⭐ 🦇

[trim raft]

Its weird being excited for more DC films (Flash, Aquaman, Blue Bettle), than Marvel films (Guardians, Antman) this year

[boreal escarp]

Because they sold themselves

But MAYBE antman will be ok, Black Panther 2 was fine imo

[trim raft]

Yea but their shows have not been too bad. Some misses afaik but generally ok IMO
I'm HYPED for Secret Invasion and Loki Season 2

[trim raft]

I'm seeing it for Jonathan Majors personally

[boreal escarp]

I'm behind with the shows 😦 I've watched only half of Wandavision

Is that antman?

[trim raft]

no thats Paul Rudd. Majors is Kang

[boreal escarp]

Oh yea 😮

[trim raft]

you should watch Loki before you watch Antman

[boreal escarp]

There's still hope!!

I will try 😦

[trim raft]

It's worth it 🙏

[boreal escarp]

Yeah ik

I wanted to watch them in order, but I fall behind, I didn't expect to release a new show every 2 months smh

[trim raft]

Yea. I haven't watched a Marvel show since Moon Knight, they've become overwhelming. Holiday special was pretty good tho

[boreal escarp]

Mhm

[trim raft]

I'm holding off of some of them until I see them have effects in the movies. So i'll watch She Hulk when she appears in the next film but I just don't see a reason to see it now

[boreal escarp]

That show is ass

[trim raft]

I've read and heard conflicting things but overall consensus is not very good

[boreal escarp]

Is unacceptable for a studio as big as them to release such bullshit, story and effect wise

[blazing oar]

Is the topic marvel? 👀

Cause I am probably the biggest marvel fanatic in this server

lol

[boreal escarp]

😬

[trim raft]

You have been outfanned I am sorry 🙂

[blazing oar]

wrong, it's me.

Nha, it's impossible.

I can legit answer any questions about the mcu

[trim raft]

I'm intrigued by Ironheart, liked her a lot in BP2, Echo just doesn't seem like it has a reason for existing tho IMO

[blazing oar]

no one ever won against me

ever.

[blazing oar]

tbh quite disliked the suit...

excited either way but eh... hope they change the suit.

Also, Echo is directly related to Hawkeye and Daredevil

[trim raft]

I know but I still don't see a reason for her own show. Just include her in Daredevil or something

Nothing against the actress, but the character didn't give off vibes of being able to hold an entire series for her short appearance in Hawkeye

[blazing oar]

Echo = Maya btw

[blazing oar]

I mean, why not?

She's been a support character in the comics

[trim raft]

Not everyone needs a spinoff. She Hulk (I haven't seen it) from what i've heard is proof of that

[blazing oar]

so, giving her the spotlight wouldn't look that bad tbh

[trim raft]

Just because she could get a spinoff doesn't mean she should

[blazing oar]

What type of "fanatic" are you if you haven't even watched everything, pf...

[blazing oar]

That is true, although, I think it will fit a lot.

She will probably take the mantle of Ronin

Wouldn't be surprised

[blazing oar]

Also, She-Hulk was nothing out of this world, true, it was fun to what IMO, CGI wasn't the best, sure. But funnily enough they admit it in the last episode (no spoilers)

It quite followed her comics tbh

Another thing we gotta keep in mind is that everything is related and there for a reason in Marvel.

Look at Ms. Marvel and Shang Shi, directly related to antman quantumania

Together with Loki ofc

[light scaffold]

uhh how lol

[blazing oar]

you are not informed xD

[boreal escarp]

[blazing oar]

The rings from shang-shi and the "thing" that ms. marvel uses (forgot the name), are actually advanced technology from the quantum realm, from the quantumania trailers, you can easily see the same technology being used

[trim raft]

Yea but I just don't see another reason, as i've said, to see She Hulk for at least another year until she appears again.

[blazing oar]

With, funnily enough, the same type of writing written in it

[trim raft]

Ms. Marvel however I should probably watch this spring some time.

[light scaffold]

ah interesting

ms marvel was fun yeah

its overhated imo

[blazing oar]

She will appear in the next captain america soooo

[light scaffold]

captain marvel* no?

[blazing oar]

agreed, was quite different than the other shows though.

[trim raft]

I'd be surprised. already too many villains in that film

[trim raft]

Captain America new world order

[light scaffold]

oh sorry i thought u were talking about ms marvel

misread

mb

[blazing oar]

nop, she will appear in captain america, the cast was already revealed

ah

yeah, she-hulk ^^

[boreal escarp]

Do you need to watch anything before loki?

[trim raft]

The only series I will ever stan till the day I die is a Wong Show 🙏

[blazing oar]

why would she-hulk be the villain? xD

[trim raft]

for Quantumania? not rly

[blazing oar]

Preferably Infinity War and Endgame

[boreal escarp]

In terms of shows

[trim raft]

I think it should be centered on Sam and establishing him. Not feature a bunch of other characters

[light scaffold]

loki for sure

thats a direct prequel

[blazing oar]

You don't exactly NEED to watch anything before Loki, but if you want a bit of context, I would watch Endgame, which automatically includes infinity war

[trim raft]

But to watch infinity war you need to watch thor ragnorok

[blazing oar]

Think it will, I mean, we don't know.

Just know that Hulk and She-Hulk will be present. Or at least they are in the cast.

[boreal escarp]

Yeah I've watched them two times, is only the shows that I haven't seen yet, and multiverse of madness

[light scaffold]

multiverse of midness

[trim raft]

Finsih Wandavision if you watch DS2

[blazing oar]

basically, watch everything 😂 welcome to the MCU

[boreal escarp]

Yeah, ik, the old style comedy was hard to digest for me

[blazing oar]

oh for me too

[boreal escarp]

Especially the first 2 episodes

[blazing oar]

but that's just the first 3 eps

[trim raft]

It gets better

[blazing oar]

It gets out of that style after

[light scaffold]

episodes 3-6 are where it peaks imo

[blazing oar]

yeah

[light scaffold]

the ending was a bit boring

[blazing oar]

wanda vision ending was boring

agree

[light scaffold]

real

[boreal escarp]

Yeah, I've finished ep 3, so I got 3 left

How long is loki, 6ep?

[light scaffold]

6 yea

[blazing oar]

yeah

[light scaffold]

most of them are 6

[boreal escarp]

Good

[trim raft]

She hulk is 9 right

[blazing oar]

I swear Loki is a masterpiece

[trim raft]

THE SCORE

[boreal escarp]

Yup, looks good

[trim raft]

https://tenor.com/view/bus-london-red-cat-jam-meme-gif-18591021

[blazing oar]

yes

[blazing oar]

which of them

de IMDb one of Rotten Tomatoes?

I mean both are good

IMDb could be better but welp

I am actually going to rewatch Loki rn

just cause why fking not

ignores the fact I already watched it 5 times

[trim raft]

Loki obv

No other show cones close

[blazing oar]

Moon Knight was quite pog too

not as good

[trim raft]

Except that moon knight opening song

[blazing oar]

but near

[blazing oar]

YES

[light scaffold]

moon knight was a snore after the first few episodes

[blazing oar]

although Loki soundtrack is also pog

[light scaffold]

its incredible how they can take the most interesting ideas and make them boring

[trim raft]

Oscar Isaac tho 🔥

[light scaffold]

yea he was good

but the plot was just boring after a while

[blazing oar]

can kinda agree

[trim raft]

Yea I hated the ending. Generic cgi

[blazing oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejoEUpUSIiU

Loki my beloved

[light scaffold]

fr

[blazing oar]

This version is even better than the original

lol

[light scaffold]

it was starting out like a psychological mystery and then just turned into boring generic marvel cgi adventure

same with wandavision to a lesser degree

[blazing oar]

Best outro of all series: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=183tEhupiSQ

[light scaffold]

like PLEASE make a show where it doesnt end with the good guy beating up the bad guy

[trim raft]

Wabdavision had a good mystery IMO and the benefit of being the first show and no expectations going in

[blazing oar]

kinda already exists

Ms. Marvel cough

[light scaffold]

yeah thats what i mean, the mystery was good but the payoff was boring

[light scaffold]

TRUE ms marvel solos

[trim raft]

I'll have to give it a watch

[blazing oar]

Ngl, all marvel shows have exceeded my expectations

She-Hulk was low af sooo, it happened to be nicer than I thought lol

WAIT, thoughts on what's the best movie of Phase 4?

I think we might all agree Shang-Shi... (Chi*)

[light scaffold]

shang chi or spiderman, but neither is saying much

shang chi had a boring ending once again

and spiderman was mostly fanservice

[blazing oar]

I quite disagree..

Shang-Chi ending was fire

[boreal escarp]

I don't remember well but I liked the movie

[light scaffold]

suit yourself

but

imo it was just another boring cgi clusterfuck

[blazing oar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEyP_soo8iU

[blazing oar]

It's marvel, CGI is life

[light scaffold]

i dont have a problem with cgi

i have a problem with boring cgi

[boreal escarp]

yup

Thor, anyone?

I think that can easily be placed at the bottom of the list xD

[blazing oar]

was Shang-Chi's final battle boring cgi to you? 👀

[light scaffold]

yes

[blazing oar]

don't remind me of that one

[light scaffold]

genuinely the worst marvel film ever made

[boreal escarp]

good

[blazing oar]

nha

I disagree

Black-Widow

:-:

[light scaffold]

im ngl

[boreal escarp]

thats the second

[light scaffold]

black widow is overhated

[blazing oar]

Only thing good about Black-Widow was the intro.

[light scaffold]

it wasnt that bad

[boreal escarp]

yup

it was ok

[blazing oar]

I enjoyed it as an origin story but... cgi... was awful

cgi in thor was decent...

[light scaffold]

no it wasnt lmfao

[blazing oar]

trust me, it was lmao

[light scaffold]

it wasnt a very cgi heavy story though

no it was not

have u seen the fucking floating head meme

[boreal escarp]

idk how's possible, they had one scene with CGI and they fucked up very bad

[light scaffold]

all the armour theyre wearing looks fake as shit

it's just a gross colourful mess

[blazing oar]

there are things in Thor that are CGI and you don't even know about it, cause they are so very well made lmao

[boreal escarp]

bad as fuck, I agree bm

[blazing oar]

yeah true

[light scaffold]

such as?

[boreal escarp]

can't really compare one scene with an entire movie

[light scaffold]

yeah lmfao

if you're gonna tell me their helmets were cgi i know because they looked shit

[blazing oar]

let me find the video

[boreal escarp]

fuck you clyde

[light scaffold]

ha

[boreal escarp]

https://images.bauerhosting.com/legacy/media/60b7/95bd/e487/8158/de87/b96e/thor-love-thunder-set-pic.jpg?q=80&w=850&ar=16:9&fit=crop&crop=top the producer played the stone guy

[light scaffold]

yeah ik

that movie was a rare taika waititi L

[blazing oar]

Still don't think it deserves the last place in the list tbh

[boreal escarp]

it certainly does, period

[light scaffold]

it really does

[boreal escarp]

there's nothing good about that movie

[light scaffold]

it was an excruciating watch

[boreal escarp]

I regret going to cinema for it, but that's the only reason it was almost acceptable to watch

[blazing oar]

lmao look what I found online

[light scaffold]

wakanda forever in F tier??

[boreal escarp]

cmoon, BP2 wasn't that bad 🤣

[light scaffold]

ive not seen it but surely its not that bad

[blazing oar]

yeah was also surprised

BP2 is one of the actual decent movies of Phase 4

Spiderman and doctor strange in D and E

lmao

[boreal escarp]

wait is that all the movies or only one / two phases?

nvm that's all

[blazing oar]

that's all the 30 movies

[light scaffold]

thought there were more than that ngl

it seems so small like that

[blazing oar]

looks like not much

[light scaffold]

yea

[blazing oar]

but it's 30 movies....

[boreal escarp]

I saw hulk and I was like "how did I miss that one??"

[blazing oar]

over 80 hours of movies

[blazing oar]

I wouldn't count it tbh

I usually don't

Hulk was very early in the MCU and legit has nothing to do with the MCU...

but welp

[light scaffold]

hulk doesnt count yeah imo

[boreal escarp]

in what show did they add the villain from hulk, she-hulk?

[light scaffold]

yea

[boreal escarp]

yeah =/

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-evolving-just-backwards-gif-21647112

[blazing oar]

this is my tier list I think

[boreal escarp]

ah nvm, looks like that's closer to the comics

[blazing oar]

MY favorite being Captain America: The winter soldier

best movie of the whole mcu, change my mind

[light scaffold]

thor 1 in E tier is brave

winter soldier does go hard though ur right

[lucid river]

@strange estuary in #showcase how did you make a menu with custom slots like that?

[blazing oar]

I would put it between E and D, Thor.

[strange estuary]

Wdym?

Check mark and X?

[lucid river]

the gui's slots dont look like a normal minecraft inventory

[strange estuary]

I have a magic wand to make GUIs

Nah just kidding it’s an illusion

It’s two rows, and the check mark and X are two different textures

So

The top of the check is separated from the bottom

Giving the illusion that the gui icons are centered

I can provide a better example as soon as I get on my PC if you want

[lucid river]

so its a custom texture pack/

[strange estuary]

Ah yeah, it has to use one

Can’t do stuff like that otherwise haha

[lucid river]

how did you give it functionality so that when you click on it it does something?

since its just a blank space and not an inventory slot technically (?)

[strange estuary]

Oh it’s an item in a slot

[lucid river]

or maybe it's 3 rows and the rest of the slots on the 3rd row have just been changed by the texture pack to look like background

[strange estuary]

Which is actually the outdated way of doing it now it seems

But, you can now set a slot to AIR and give it click commands

Which is a new feature

Nah it’s 2 rows

[lucid river]

i dont get it

isnt it only possible to create X by 9 inventory shapes

[strange estuary]

Yes

It’s 2 rows of 9 slots

[lucid river]

so what about the check and x

are they also slots

[strange estuary]

Yes

The check takes up 2 slots and so does the X

[lucid river]

2 slots each?

now i'm even more confused

[strange estuary]

Ill send a non texture pack image of it soon

Should help

Here @lucid river

Then there is just two separate item textures for the check mark

The top half of the check is slot 0, then the second half is slot 9

It's just an illusion to make it look like the GUI is a custom size lol, works well though

[lucid river]

oh

[trim raft]

This ^

BP 2 and Spiderman were my personal favorites

[light scaffold]

spiderman wasnt a good movie objectively

but it was fun

[mellow wedge]

Actually the reason I don't use [refresh] is because you have to open the menu again if you want the title to update

But for your menu I would normally use [close], so if [openguimenu] is working for you with no tps drops that is great to know!

because people hate that

happens often

[daring bear]

Oooh thanks for the reply, I dont want to bother you, but can you maybe give me a tip what I can do about this? #1074711151495094292

[mellow wedge]

I'll take a look, getting ready to leave atm

[daring bear]

Ah no worries then, You can always take a look when youre available again :D

[naive agate]

Hey @mellow root if you didn’t make the work in #showcase please do remove it it’s only work that you made which can be showcased

[boreal escarp]

@mellow wedge DAMN

[mellow wedge]

😂

[strange estuary]

CJ let's have a DeluxeMenus 1v1 rn

😠

[naive agate]

Woah @mellow wedge

[blazing oar]

I want that menu. @mellow wedge gib

😂

Actually, is that done in DM really?

Never thought DM would be that advanced, or allow such advanced things

[naive agate]

Ye it is and fairly sure its on github

lemme find it rq

[blazing oar]

wth, it looks like something unnecessarily complex and idk why, performance heavy?

[naive agate]

dont think its that bad

[blazing oar]

Wouldn't it be more beneficial to do it as a plugin?

[sullen sorrel]

how does the menu remember the letters?

i thought it was a plugin

[blazing oar]

probs javascript?

[naive agate]

JS expansion

[sullen sorrel]

what js code did u use?

[naive agate]

Youd need to ask CJ

[boreal escarp]

<#1074711151495094292 message>

dm meta

[strange estuary]

I don't think you even need to use JS to remember it

Meta just stores itself

[naive agate]

Thats true

Gaby mentioned it above

[mellow wedge]

It's actually already in the discord 🙂

[naive agate]

#showcase message

🙂

[mellow wedge]

check the keyboard showcase for that menu, and here is the edited enter button
https://paste.helpch.at/xiturokamu.lua

[naive agate]

@mellow wedge we should prob add these to the templates on the wiki

[mellow wedge]

tru we could

specific things, but good examples

[strange estuary]

I could provide my hex color picker

not sure if anyone would ever need that

[naive agate]

ya

[strange estuary]

and it requires JS so it might be useless for people to see 😂

[naive agate]

it can prob used for stuff

I was gonna make a kit maker in DM using yalls stuff

just for a fun of it

[strange estuary]

Heck yeah

[mellow wedge]

we can do it without js

[strange estuary]

Mmm

How?

A few features would be lost

[mellow wedge]

wait

[strange estuary]

The armor wouldn't be dyed for a preview which would be quite sad

[mellow wedge]

we could always make an expansion

[strange estuary]

Honestly

True

[naive agate]

shouldnt be hard at all

[mellow wedge]

script was so easy so

[strange estuary]

yeah might as well

[naive agate]

but probs for not using an expansion atm

[strange estuary]

I can't imagine I'm the only one who has ever needed RGB to HEX

and vice versa

[mellow wedge]

I think it needs to be individual basis or have format support

like %hextorgb_ff% gives 255

not %hextorgb_ffff% gives 255, 255

because ffff is obv not 255

as long as that still works for the rgb part

[strange estuary]

%conversion_hextorgb%

The conversion expansion 🤔

[mellow wedge]

it's just decimals

hextodecimal

[trim raft]

https://twitter.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1625243257625014274 holy L

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm)

‘ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT’ is being removed from Netflix on March 15, including the 2 seasons that Netflix produced itself.

See what other TV shows are being removed from Netflix: https://t.co/7IyIHC9pc4

Twitter · Feb 13, 2023, 9:19 PM

[mellow wedge]

%conversion_16:10_FF%

[naive agate]

oh wtf

[mellow wedge]

conversionmade

just has to be tested

[blazing oar]

don't even know what series that is

lol

but common L from netflix

[trim raft]

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-reaction-discord-gif-25659823

[strange estuary]

I am so proud of myself

I might actually be able to make a color changing GUI per player

[wary willow]

Doesn't sound to hard as long as the list of colors is hard coded.

[strange estuary]

Now that's the cool part

It will support any hex color

:D

[magic summit]

Let me guess: White font image you made and you prefix it with a color?

[strange estuary]

Mhm

[wary willow]

I forgot that's a thing

[strange estuary]

It is beautiful 🤩

[naive agate]

thats cool though

[strange estuary]

I'm currently still improving it but I wanted to show off an early version regardless

[magic summit]

I knew about this because when I was adding custom font images to a sign using copy-paste, the symbol was dark since IA auto-prefixes its emojis with &f

[wary willow]

Yeah. I knew that as well but I unfortunately tend to forget a lot

[strange estuary]

@mellow wedge? 👀

[magic summit]

Neat, tho it looks a tiny bit misaligned?
Like when I f.e. look at the right or at the bottom, it seems like it's not a full pixel there?

[naive agate]

I think thats gonna be a cool menu to debug with

to test colors and such

[strange estuary]

Yeah defo, that's what I still gotta fix

I have like 3 days of experience with packs

So this is all very new to me (aligning fonts and all)

[magic summit]

Yeah. My only experience is with IA. I don't know the exact dimensions for the negative fonts it uses, but I usually have a -8 one applied

[strange estuary]

Ah yeah I don't even have IA lol

[magic summit]

I played around with it a lot. Had quite a lot of fun making custom entities when that feature came out.

[strange estuary]

I want to try to make a hyper customizable experience in game

Just for QoL that no one cares about but appreciates lol

[magic summit]

I really want to also make custom gestures, but only having the player model to animate is.... eh...

[strange estuary]

Fair enough

We had a bunch of emotes made more MCCosmetics

But alas that seems to be quite dead

At least for now

[tacit nova]

there is player animator

[blazing oar]

I mean that's cool and all but like

it's kinda sus that you only have that on menus

and not overall guis

since you can't customize that per player, the players inventory, etc.

so it kinda gets out of sync if that makes sense?

[strange estuary]

It is per player

And I actually can do it for the players inven too

xD

[blazing oar]

what?

[chilly brook]

you can make so it works for even vanilla guis on renamed chests etc etc btw

[blazing oar]

now that is something I am interested in knowing how you do it.

[strange estuary]

It's actually quite easy

Oh wait

[blazing oar]

for vanilla guis like anvil, player inventory, etc?

[strange estuary]

Okay it's not 😂

[chilly brook]

idk about the player one

[strange estuary]

Why did I think you can use PAPI for lang files

[blazing oar]

I thought there is only one texture for those

how do you customize it...

[chilly brook]

probably the player one is not possible (?)

[blazing oar]

anvil shouldn't be either

unless you make a custom anvil

[strange estuary]

Well this is for a lobby server tbf

[chilly brook]

uhh, you could listen to some listeners n stuff

[blazing oar]

still doubt you can have different player inventory, etc.

any vanilla gui can only have one fixed texture

to my knowledge

[lofty harbor]

You might be able to put in a fake textured item or something

[strange estuary]

The only idea I had was to alter the "Crafting" text in the lang files

[blazing oar]

It would def. open lots of room for customization if they were also able to be customized, you could do "themes" for your players lol

[strange estuary]

But that's going to get complicated quick

And you can't use papi in mc's lang file

And the text in inventories is client side I'm guessing?

[blazing oar]

yes.

you can't just change it.

[mellow wedge]

@strange estuary #ecloud-updates message

[strange estuary]

Sick

[blazing oar]

so either way, it's a fixed texture

[strange estuary]

Did you see my GUI CJ?

[mellow wedge]

[meta] set rgb-value STRING %nested_conversion_16:10_{string_substring_0,2_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}}%,%ascii_32%%nested_conversion_16:10_{string_substring_2,4_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}}%,%ascii_32%%nested_conversion_16:10_{string_substring_4,6_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}}%

[strange estuary]

It's a super neat concept - if I can figure out more about it

[mellow wedge]

This is to set the meta from a 00FF00 input format to 0, 255, 0 format @strange estuary

[strange estuary]

.

[mellow wedge]

oh that's really nice

a little much for me imo

[blazing oar]

suppose only way you could achieve multiple textures for vanilla guis is via a mod. (closes topic)

[mellow wedge]

but you could have different levels of overlay

it's cleannn

[strange estuary]

Yeah I'm sure less-odd colors would look good

[mellow wedge]

oh wait i see waht you're doing

[strange estuary]

I just like having presets for people xD

[mellow wedge]

you're doing it for people choose their own outlines

[strange estuary]

Rn I need to make 5 more textures for each row of GUI

[mellow wedge]

concept

[strange estuary]

Mhm

[mellow wedge]

nice

i love

how do you like my absurdly long meta action

[strange estuary]

It's absolutely beautiful

Excessively long, just as nested placeholders should be

[mellow wedge]

also, you don't need ascii i found

only if you want a space at the END/START of meta

[meta] set rgb-value STRING %nested_conversion_16:10_{string_substring_0,2_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}}%, %nested_conversion_16:10_{string_substring_2,4_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}}%, %nested_conversion_16:10_{string_substring_4,6_{deluxemenus_meta_keyboard_STRING_}}%
no ascii

[strange estuary]

Very very cool

[mellow wedge]

i honestly think rgb to hex would be more useful in general

easy to do with conversion 😉

[strange estuary]

@blazing oar

Solved it

Here's how you do it (at least for the player inventory):

Make a custom model data of a leather armor piece
Make the leather armor piece the same shape as the GUI
Put the leather armor piece somewhere
Color it with the same placeholder

This wouldn't work for say a survival server without giving up a slot or something, but it's technically possible

Heck you could even find a clever way to clone someones item when they open a GUI, replace their item with the color, then replace it back to their item when it's closed or something

It's overly complicated for non-player inventories, but it's cool that it's possible regardless

[mellow wedge]

Items can spand beyong their own slot?

[strange estuary]

pretty sure

Just gotta actually do it

[mellow wedge]

hmm

[blazing oar]

.-.

god damn bot

[blazing oar]

That's actually sick ngl...

opens possibilities for things like "Themes"