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jolly sonnet
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The Anti Christ would lowk be a good final boss concept

nimble loom
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What

jolly sonnet
# nimble loom What

Ik I can't judge the other ones cuz I didn't test them out but I just didn't like quake II

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Is there any VC channels

reef lodge
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You already did judge them vro

tulip scaffold
jolly sonnet
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Samuel acts like a deceiver but I don't think that he rlly fits the role

jolly sonnet
tulip scaffold
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Where are we going in the expansion?
Would love to see a sentinel black site for training soldiers and too much 666. Like a 2016 throwback would be appropriate for the night sentinels.

jolly sonnet
potent lintel
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Who else hopes Samuel Hayden being the seraphim get's retconned?

craggy mirage
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i dont think thats changing any time soon

errant depot
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Yeah guys remember that time where Samuel Hayden turned into a freakish purple alien monster he was just kidding about all that it was actually a made up nightmare scenario from a hallucinogen or something

craggy mirage
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declare doom eternal non canon lmao

potent lintel
potent lintel
craggy mirage
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i don’t think that’d make sense

potent lintel
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I just HATE the seraphim's design

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and find that he brings samuel down as a whole

potent lintel
foggy seal
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To be fair he was kind of unusual in 2016 also , and in Eternal's campaign there was plenty of foreshadowing as well. That twist was definitely among planned things.

dapper shoal
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would be awesome if in a future doom game the demons are procedurally generated and you have variations in body sizes, mutations, cybernetic enhancements, looks based on environments, etc instead of the same model being used everytime

wheat marten
potent lintel
rotund garden
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The next doom game will feature guns, demons and of course ripping and tearing them

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According to the leaks

twin helm
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Doom needs a system as advanced as the FLESH system I’m dead island 2
And a strike anywhere no canned animation attacks like half sword
And a fate/stay night [unlimited blade works] collab as both are gory have demons and good animation/graphics/story

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And give the slayer a proper melee weapon not just a one u can only use after a certain condition has been met light give him a sword with the crucible runes carved into it to even better Excalibur the sword of Artoria Pendragon

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Basically the next games version of the BFG 9000

foggy seal
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lmao , a fate crossover, that sounds funny

twin helm
celest willow
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A more straight forward story or none. I've no idea what the story was in Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal. Let us rescue a princess and slay through levels, thanks.

little lark
vale maple
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I want to see cutscenes of Codexs that talk about davoth and the father and makyrs in the past

twin helm
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@celest willow explain why a fate crossover would be funny

mint plinth
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Quake officially trademarked ... a new game or just renewel?

reef lodge
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Renewal. This happens yearly from what I've heard

frigid gazelle
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if this is the future then how many demons are in hell thanks to grampy blashkowitz

nimble loom
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He was nearing 70 in Youngblood that man died decades ago

thin parcel
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I do not want ANY Doom game for the next 10 years, at least. Time to focus on QUAKE!

uneven kelp
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Why Not Both? A New DOOM Video Game for Single Player Campaign with Long Story Mode, Master Levels, Solo Horde Mode Experience, and Campaign DLC. And A New QUAKE Video Game for Multiplayer Gameplay with Coop-Op Horde Mode Experience, Team Deathmatches, Cross-Playing with All Platforms, and Hell-To-The-No Microtransactions. If Possible, Haha.

reef robin
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so

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doom 2016 2

reef lodge
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I want a new singleplayer Quake

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Quake has been dragged through multiplayer titles for 21 years now. It's time for a campaign

weary meadow
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I just hope we get a remake of Dooms 1 and 2, made by the same guy who made Brutal Doom

foggy seal
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i agree , hoping to see a Quake 4 remaster with restored cancelled expansion and whole ass new expansion

reef lodge
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And I don't like Brutal but different strokes for different folks

weary meadow
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Might just stay with Doom + Doom II for the classic formula, but I personally think there should be some things changed about it

reef lodge
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I think it aged very well

weary meadow
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I mean, the blood color for some enemies could be changed, and the Wolfenstein level should be uncensored, except in Germany

reef lodge
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Blood color yeah and I agree with the latter, though it doesn't have to be censored in Germany anymore as they're lenient with that now

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However I don't think these warrant remakes. Could just be a simple patch to D+D2

marsh patio
weary meadow
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I agree, a patch is good enough, and maybe change the crosses on the medkits back to red

reef lodge
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That can't be done as it's a literal war crime, somehow :p

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I prefer putting pills instead of green crosses. It's less distracting

weary meadow
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And maybe a better way to play more mods, like MyHouse.wad on D+D2

vapid gorge
vapid gorge
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Especially in todays age, where even Princess Peach goes head-to-toe with the Mario Bros and other cast members

fierce dock
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they try to dress it up to be slightly less obvious 🙂

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||but Thira is a princess and you spend almost half the game rescuing her...||

mossy knot
reef lodge
vapid gorge
twin helm
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We need a doom game on the open world scale of TOTK but with proper melee combat and gore and combat physics like half sword all finished off with teardown and sparking zero combined destruction physics and the ability to build a ship and build/customise the fortress of doom

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Space exploration
Multiplayer
Base building
Swords/spears/crucible/mace/sentinel hammer but no charges no one shot just used as melee weapons with different tiers designs and stats
Guns the classics+unmaykr and bfc
Open world 4-5 layers
Layer 1 earth
Layer 2 (under earth found via hell portals) hell
Layer 3 argent d’nur
Layer 4 space (for exploration and building the fortress of doom)
Layer 5 maykr homeworld and various planets 15 to be precise
Potential DLC is a extra 4 planets and a new superweapon

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You play as the slayer but he be lore accurate

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There’s 4 new bosses that can appear in space
Full power unsealed great old one (Cthulhu)
The blind idiot god (azathoth)
And random maykrs and a full power davoth

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Three difficulty settings
Normal difficulties
I’m to young to die
Hurt me plenty
Ultra violence
Nightmare
Pandemonium
Ultra nightmare

  • two new areas
    The sentinel colleseum for pve and PvP
    Surgery lab for 1:1 real life surgical physics and also operating on demons to kill them
errant depot
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That sounds like it would take a whole decade to make tbh

foggy seal
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just play RAGE 2

twin helm
foggy seal
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they should just silently drop Doom 4 as an AU spin off game

twin helm
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Like imagine being able to use the doomblade like a surgeon

reef lodge
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I like sn's one more, always loved DOOM 4 1.0

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Diablo I like some of the ideas you have but some of them feel too divergent from DOOM, with some polishing and more realistic expectations this can be a pretty good concept though

foggy seal
# reef lodge I like sn's one more, always loved DOOM 4 1.0

since Eternal went with the idea of same hell across time and space despite how wildly different demons and stuff are across the games you can definitely fit it in as a parallel universe like how Doom 3 is treated nowadays, overall hell corruption that was seen in Doom 4 leaks didn't seem too different from what's present in modern games so I believe it could be explored and give a different perspective on an Hell invasion and its consequences.

tulip scaffold
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Id like the next game to start off kinda survival horror for the first episode.
And then
Crank up the combat arenas and power weapons for the second.
And then like slaughter lite for the third act.

keen depot
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What do yall think the next game will be about? Bc after 2016, we get eternal and it shows the slayer in the fortress of doom but never shows us how he got there. So do you think theyll make a game taking place after eternal or make one inbetween 2016 and eternal?

wheat marten
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it'll be about Quake (hopefully)

livid seal
wheat marten
lavish lake
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A dedicated online game would be amazing

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sentinels vs demons for team based (kinda obvious), demons would work for ffa cause they fight amongst themselves

misty ferry
shadow isle
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The future is tomorrow

mint plinth
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But all signs point to a new entry after TDA and its DLC

glad hamlet
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We have medieval Doom, we have space Doom, we have battle of the gods Doom, now we need Cyberpunk Doom

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Thats the obvious next step. Plunge the slayer into a world of neon in the far future to fight crazy cybernetic demons with awesome new weapons and shit

tulip scaffold
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I thought they were going to do another dark ages game. Dark ages eternal or some such.

But Hugo talked about the expansion basically being a sequel and I feel like they might go in another direction.

Also, they have another game in the works. Probably quake or rage.

Either way, I don't think we will see anything until quakecon.

austere zenith
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Eldritch Doom. With no lore beyond set and setting. Let the environments and monsters speak for themselves.

tough solar
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doom 3 pt 14

woven maple
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I NEED MORE DOOM THE DARK AGES

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GIMME DLC

craggy mirage
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5 mins until it releases calm down

daring sluice
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Doom 4 (it’s weird we skipped to 2016)

foggy seal
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one day we'll get our hands on the build that was intended for e3 2010 atleast...

keen depot
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But yeah they might release a new entry

mint plinth
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imagine more doom 2016 content.

reef lodge
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Ya but that was alongside a remaster

keen depot
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I am excited though to see what comes out sometime in the future

tulip scaffold
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All the doom soundtracks are down on Spotify. 10 year anniversary of 2016 a month away.

Announcement imminent?

mint plinth
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What kind of annoucment?

tulip scaffold
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soundtrack seems to be better
but yeh a re-release might incur a new ost

marsh patio
marsh patio
mint plinth
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looks to be a license renew thing I think

nimble loom
nimble loom
glacial dove
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I actually wouldn’t mind a doom 2016 “remaster or remake”

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No mega textures and instead uses the modern engine

Adds more overall demons as demon pacing is a little slow.

Add destructible demons

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But they must keep the atmosphere and aesthetic

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Master level campaign would be nice

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Would revive the mp

hasty garden
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honestly i dont think doom 2016 needs a remake just yet

ashen viper
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considering how doom is going right now i have high hopes

wheat marten
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Like no, just no

glacial dove
austere raft
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Codex entries, though, it'd be nice to get some edits there. Mainly just the shit that is retconned by future installments.

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It'd be nice to have a definitive idea of where exactly the final level is, for example.

wheat marten
# austere raft It'd be nice to have a definitive idea of where exactly the final level is, for ...

that'd I'd be fine with, cuz from what I recall The Well is described as "The Heart of Hell" but it's also clearly just a random piece of Argent D' Nur that got absorbed into Hell. The fact Argent D' Nur is described as an entire realm that got absorbed into Hell when Eternal clearly shows only part of it did. I'm talking things like Samuel's characterization, leave that completely alone, among other things. Even then a lot of the codex contradictions in 2016 could be chocked up to the UAC not having all the info at the time. I would much prefer them focusing on things like giving the game its own fun-zone/balanced combat loop, fixing various technical and visual problems, maybe they could even spruce up some of the Hell environments, I know you'd like that lol.

austere raft
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Also shit like not dying every time you miss a jump...

wheat marten
mint plinth
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add in prowler and harvester as new demons.

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MP would come back

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i asked the devs about porting 2016 assets into Eteranl (for idtech studio modding) and they said it would be a lot of work because of scaling. not sure what they meant by that but I think the metrics are too different, unlike TDA/Eternal

wheat marten
mint plinth
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well i said prowlers because most of its assets are in the game, in fact I think there are two skins

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i think one was white/blue. not sure why

wheat marten
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Yeah there's the other white one too. I suppose I just like it when these games have demons exclusive to specific games but that's just a preference. I wouldn't be against it but I'm definitely more interested in the harvester since I can't imagine Prowler in 2016 would act much different to its Eternal counterpart

mint plinth
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would the eternal prowler be a issue agains the"runa nd gun" 2016 slayer?

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but the game still has its specific art style of demon variants.

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Harvestor would probably be more like a buffed up version of the summoner, maybe even a mini boss

glad hamlet
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I really enjoy 2016 as is but it has some things that really need tweaking

mint plinth
glad hamlet
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I think they could implement it more

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Doomslayer ground pound

mint plinth
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doomslayer tea bag

glad hamlet
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Doomslayer dolphin dive

marsh wyvern
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What do you guys think the next doom project is going to be?

mint plinth
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probably another game set in the dark ages, perhaps civil war ear

glad rapids
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I'd kill for a co-op centered DOOM game.

tribal pollen
round palm
shrewd ember
desert bone
# glad rapids I'd kill for a co-op centered DOOM game.

I may have says this before, but it would be really cool if the Doom TDA DLC had some kind of co-op element. Either a new co-op campaign that follows some night sentinels or even just adding a co-op option to the main campaign

mint plinth
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i want invasion mode and emp demons to return in the next doom game. im still butt hurt about it being cancelled for Eternal

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but im not sure about coop, they have to build the camp around it, so that usually means the campaign suffers

honest venture
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Missing Mighty Doom like a mf right now MarauderSad

tribal pollen
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Me too

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i didn't play much but i get the itch

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why did it get shut down???

tulip scaffold
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the fanmade 1v1 slayers mode from eternal would be great

forest thicket
# desert bone I may have says this before, but it would be really cool if the Doom TDA DLC had...

I do think if anyone could remain at their core, as they have for decades now, lovers of what DOOM truly is that a small, passionate and dedicated team could make an amazing co-op DOOM. Standalone. It'd be ambitious, but at least solving multiplayer connectivity being consistently smooth, instead of what Id would probably need to literally invent in '93 to finish just to have it just run less-well than today, given the throughput limitations of the era alone. To those who were there then for the FOMO and intense desire for moar Bauds in the 90s know....dealguy

buoyant shadow
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its a different campaign but you can play it with co op

vocal finch
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MODERN doom 1 and 2 (a remake)

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obviously the OGs are always gonna be the goats

cerulean parrot
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Guys I got prediction

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Next doom game might arrive at around these 202-2030-2031-2032 year

mint plinth
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2029 would be my guess

nimble loom
tulip scaffold
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Next Xbox seems like a pipe dream right now, with a bunch of verbal promises and a logo teaser.
I am thinking 2030-31

vivid minnow
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ok hear me out quake 3 arena but doom

tender vale
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thats just quake 3 arena

honest venture
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They were hit as well as Tango Game Works, and Mighty Doom was only one year old when they shut down

night minnow
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👍

ionic ridge
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A crossover game between B.J. Blazkowitcz, DOOM Guy, Ranger the three universes merged together and imagine all the scenarios possible Blazko killing demons or Guy killi g nazis, for examples, and a co-op mode (and the possibility to do it online) and a 1VS1VS1 mode (and the possibility to do it online)

nimble loom
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I dont think they ever made quake 1 toys so youll have to supplement ranger with one of the quake 2 toys

ionic ridge
dawn copper
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i wish we got to use the BFG 10k to fight planet sized cosmic demons

novel wolf
dawn copper
tribal pollen
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Theres like this one thing I really want back in future games. It's the thing where's when you look at a demon codex entry, it keeps track of how many you've killed and glory killed. I thought it was super cool and I want it back.

craggy mirage
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would love if it came back in eternal especially

tribal pollen
ionic ridge
dapper oyster
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<@&162901871168585728> this guy's doing this in every channel

summer junco
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Hi guys so I have some kind of gut feeling that the next iteration of Doom will be a more Doom 3 like experience. Maybe when the slayer was still a marine …
Still a Doom gameplay but more realistic and in maybe a more action focused Resident Evil Type way …
I noticed Hugo has played a lot of Horror Survival Type Games after the Release of the Dark Ages, so for me it could be a hint that he is researching in that direction 🧐
I dont know
What do you think ?
Greetings from Germany

grim lion
craggy mirage
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my dream horror doom game would not have you play as the slayer, but as a sentinel in literally set around the dark ages. you play as a crew member among other sentinel sailors. somehow, you find your way into the cosmic realm, and your the only survivor. you have to make your abandoned ship your refuge, and in order to gain food and water: you have to go venture into the cosmic realm and find whatever you can in wherever you are. you’d have to venture ancient temples dedicated to the old one, and face its cosmic baron guards with nothing but a lantern and maybe a spear

summer junco
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Yeah sounds great too although i dont think they would deviate from the slayer as the main protagonist. I think thats their Identity by now. But it would be very compelling

craggy mirage
summer junco
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Hmm definitely food for thought here … you’re right they were flexible but that was also another team and a long time ago. I don’t know they could definitely do it. I would buy it and it would be an interesting twist. But would they really risk it to replace the slayer ? Doom is the slayer and the slayer is Doom. I think they are to intertwined to be separated

dapper oyster
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@modern imp y'know what I'm thinking, maybe for a future game before 2016. I wanna be extra delusional but I wish they could be doing more with davoth like his lore and we start to learn about him or something.

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I love davoth's character and backstory I just wished he had more screentime ect.

modern imp
craggy mirage
livid seal
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Davoth sould be in the dlc

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Itd be cool to see him talking with the council or manipulating the khan maykr

mint plinth
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lore wise i think the davoth is in the lifesphere during the dark ages. Hell is ruled by stewardship

rotund python
weak kindle
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well, in Dark Ages there are a couple times when that guy who was working with Ahzrak (forget his name, the one that tells him the horde is still his to command) says he will report Ahzrak's progress to 'the council', so yeah probably a council of demon lords or something

mint plinth
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tehre is a council, then there are archdemons that rule above them. Then their is the lord of the current age. In TDA it might be the first age

austere raft
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The First Age may not have a Dark Lord if Ahzrak is vying for the position, but Ages are meant to have Dark Lords, and it's implied their tenure determines an Age. So if there isn't one in the First Age, then likely when one finally got appointed it became the Second Age.

mint plinth
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maybe we are in the age of the interim

autumn field
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hi guys, which is better dtda or eternal

mint plinth
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ill wait til DLC before ill give it my opinion, but im leaning on eternal

fossil rivet
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dlc when ?

verbal delta
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NOBODY KNOWS WHEN THE DLC IS COMING OUT

tribal pollen
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thank you

rotund python
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I just like writing in dramatic prose because I think its funny.

muted bridge
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Not you specifically

rotund python
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No it was just that people keep asking when it’s coming out

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It’s pretty much the same joke

muted bridge
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Ye ik, like I meant how impatient they can be

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Ppl waiting for half life 3 have been waiting for over a decade

rotund python
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Oh

muted bridge
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Tda is barely a year old and yet we have the same impatient ppl

muted bridge
rotund python
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Oh

foggy seal
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we were spoiled rotten by eternal which is why people are like that i guess

tulip scaffold
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I miss the dash of eternal
It's a perfect boomshot maneuver. It was really the meat hook that gave the slayer absurd verticality.

Titanfall2 and Rage2 also had the sick dash move.

crude grove
feral plover
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Zelda: Bow Only

clever bear
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As for the question of the Slayer, I think the Slayer as a person will probably still be the protagonist but without his Slayer powers.
Spin-offs don’t count, especially spin-offs that are glorified tech demos with a theme tacked on

feral plover
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theory (includes tag2 spoilers): doomguy could wake up, assuming he is in some sort of coma, but when he would wake up he wouldn't have his god-like powers anymore, but the demon hatred is still there which would be enough to stop yet another possible invasion
makes no sense now that i read it again

clever bear
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That fits actually. The Slayer and the Doomguy from the first few games have been heavily implied to be one and the same, and in the original Doom the protagonist was closer to a normal soldier than the demigod of 2016 and Eternal, yet he still beat the shit out of Hell’s armies.

feral plover
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Mighty Doom has the slayer clearly weakened

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as Whiplash and Baron of Hell are seen as bosses, Mighty Doom (albeit not cannon rn) kinda fits

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I hope a new Doom game is an fps, but a spinoff wouldnt be too bad

fickle fern
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Doom slayer gonna need new weapons that look stronger than his standard weapons.

halcyon scarab
clever bear
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The ballista will probably be replaced with something similar like how it replaced the Gauss cannon, the SSG and Rocket Launcher are staples of the franchise, PB could easily go either way but I kinda hope the next Doom doesn’t have it as I feel it doesn’t fit with Doom’s design ethos. Btw the plasma gun, BFG, chaingun, and pump shotgun will definitely be in the next Doom because they are in literally every Doom title and there’s no reason to stop now. My big hope is classic Doom style fast base movement

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It would be cool to have a completely new weapon as well. Like a Quake style grenade launcher, or maybe a throwing axe that must be retrieved after throwing it

solar crown
clever bear
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I’m responding to the previous post specifically talking about PB. The heavy cannon is fine imo, if a bit boring

solar crown
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Ah i read it as you where talking about all weapons, mb

clever bear
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The more I think about that axe suggestion, the more I like it. Especially if it does something cool and unique like getting stuck in the demon it hits and makes their attacks way less accurate until you get close and pull it out of them

elder viper
elder viper
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I don’t think the design of an open world fits with Doom’s design both gameplay and story wise, as for the story yeah maybe the Wraiths will return but we still have a few loose ends to tie up from The Ancient Gods, those being what happened to Samur, the current state of Urdak, and what about the Demonic Crucible Doomguy just left aboard the Fortress of Doom?

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Especially the last one considering how big the Demonic Crucible has been emphasized to us since 2016

reef bolt
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Open world just wouldn't be fun. Period

robust girder
robust girder
elder viper
robust girder
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yikes

elder viper
robust girder
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Like I know text doesn't carry tone which usually communicates sarcasm the most (or maybe it's in knowing the person). Maybe I should've use tExt l1k3 ThIs

robust girder
elder viper
robust girder
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But back to reality, like if they went the soldier route, it would be a horror game through and through. Like the only gun they could really use, unless they throw away realism, is the plasma rifle and maybe the heavy cannon.

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Also is eternal realistic? Because a lot can be explained away with the slayer's god tier stats.

reef bolt
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I could be wrong though

robust girder
# elder viper I don’t think the design of an open world fits with Doom’s design both gameplay ...

Ngl, I feel like they want to go down a "Halo-ish" path so they put in aliens which is not far from the demon roster.

If anyone's watched Roanoake's videos on doom explaining a lot of demons as different species exposed to argent/hell energy, it makes a lot of sense considering the maykrs have been consuming several worlds.

For instance, he said what if the cacos are female and pain elementals male of the same species.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a lovecraftian species not unlike the maykrs or Cthulhu that have been exposed to demonic energy.

robust girder
reef bolt
robust girder
reef bolt
robust girder
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ikr

robust girder
elder viper
robust girder
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Imo, eternal works because of the power fantasy it gives, the fact that all the focus went into making the gameplay as fluid as possible, the music, the fact that you are supposed to be always in combat (i.e. health packs give very little health you are better off going for glory kills and burning groups. Constant action, fight, fight, fight.)

What makes halo infinite not work is probably just lack of content. I honestly cannot answer this question without pull stuff out of my ass and straight up lying. I used to be a massive halo fan and now I couldn't care less.

As for why minecraft works is definitely not the combat. And that's the first issue. It works because it allows someone's creativity to explode. And it somehow seems to make grinding for things like diamonds fun.

robust girder
feral plover
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I played quake 1 and enjoyed it but knowing the story about it’s Development make me feel a little sad

elder viper
elder viper
feral plover
elder viper
feral plover
feral plover
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Why wouldn't co-op be in the game? If not for the original Doom's Deathmatch gameplay it wouldn't be where it is now.

feral plover
robust girder
# feral plover Why wouldn't co-op be in the game? If not for the original Doom's Deathmatch gam...

Co-op stands for cooperative, never said anything about deathmatch. Also never played doom 3 and I don't care to ever try it so I can't say much on that front other than I rather have a game like eternal again rather than another shot at a horror game because there are plenty of horror developers/dev teams and only one who nailed fast paced combat (then again I am no video game connoisseur so my opinion on a lot of things is irrelevant since I haven't tried a lot of games)

feral plover
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Well even on that front, the original Doom games have co-op.

robust girder
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Honestly a deathmatch mode would probably work. But I'm sure Id had a good reason why it wouldn't work, whether it was due to gameplay design or perhaps actually game mechanics, like the code of it.

robust girder
feral plover
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So... a new game having co-op wouldn't be a big deal.

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So acting like wanting co-op in a Doom game is weird or overplayed is a bit silly, because co-op has already been in this series, and co-op would fit Doom really well.

robust girder
feral plover
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Yeah I get that, I'm saying co-op has already proven itself to work well in this series before. Why couldn't it work well again?

robust girder
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when?

feral plover
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The original Doom games have coop gameplay.

robust girder
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Did they?

feral plover
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Yeah. You can play through the campaigns with multiple players.

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They even have coop exclusive enemy placement.

robust girder
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I don't think eternal was constructed in such a way to support that

feral plover
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No yeah Eternal isn't.

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I don't think Eternal would work well with co-op. But a new game definitely could if it had that in mind.

reef bolt
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Youngblood style doom game 🔥 doomguy_dead

robust girder
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And we can all agree that eternal's gameplay is fantastic, but would that work with co-op? I don't know.

If there's one thing I do know is that I love the power fantasy it gives and would love to see a completive leaderboard of some kind. But then again I really don't like the balance of a lot of the weapons (AHEM, hammer go bonk hue)

reef bolt
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You mean a board for points combos and chains giving more points ?

glacial dove
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Eternal was fully balanced around 1 player

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“Balanced”

robust girder
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Something akin to the horde mode board that was actually monitored (so the top wouldn't be people who find bugs or straight up cheat). But only with balanced weapons (or at least more balanced weapons).

Like I actually force myself to not use the hammer because it makes the marauder a laughable enemy and many encounters jokes (stun marauder and shield bash him to death xdddd) and it also makes the fight with Davoth stupidly easy.

Recharging it is pretty stupid too. Like it's not hard to get what's equivalent to a second icebomb with a chainsaw ductaped to it. It should honestly probably be on a cooldown like the icebomb but much longer.

The chaingun shield outclasses the mobile turret because it's a bubble and not the shield it seems to be so you can get away with a lot of stupid shit. I stopped using it after watching Allstin's video on super weapons a while back actually, where he put the shield as a super weapon.

Not using the chaingun shield is actually much more fun when you succeed because it's all about dodging everything with air control and making full use of the meathook.

Also lock on is just too strong. You don't need to look further than the barons with lock on resistance. It's still one of the best options against them. Just hold right mb and spam primary chainsaw and now you got another 3-4 volleys.

glacial dove
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A arcade mode woulda been nice per level

robust girder
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by level do you mean difficulty?

glacial dove
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No I mean every level having arcade mode

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Like 2016 did

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With points and the glowing relics and such

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Horde mode had the right idea but the fact bounty demons and guns were randomized means the point score was pointless and based purely on luck

robust girder
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hmmm maybe, I got into doom too late to know how that was back when we only had 2016

glacial dove
robust girder
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Like random weapons are okay, they could balance the demon choices so the difference between runs with certain weapons is very small

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It definitely makes things more interesting

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But like think about the maykr drone area in reclaimed earth and you don't have the pb or ballista or even the ssg

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that's bad

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idk if it's compeltely rng (aside from the guaranteed ssg before the meathooks), but being semi-random does make the game more interesting.

glacial dove
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I believe it makes it more fun yes

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But because a score is involved the score gets affected greatly

robust girder
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But having to dodge a multiplier power up so you don't have to reset the map is terrible design. Or having things like armored barons and marauders as bounties is even worse design.

glacial dove
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After all getting say ssg super early means more armor and faster movement / damage

Early ballista means full air control

Early rpg is well ultimate lock on

robust girder
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Or the stone imp arena in the holt which is hammer only. Like no matter how much I try with my combat shotgun, I feel like it's impossible to get anywhere near the score you can get with the hammer.

glacial dove
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Well yeah. Hammer instakills them and powerups in air

robust girder
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Like it contradicts the design they display with random weapons

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I'm starting to think someone or some people at Id think that by power fantasy it means giving the player a win-the-game button

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But imo it's being given the weapons and tools to become the god the slayer is. Not a panic button

reef bolt
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Basically what the BFG was designed for

sweet gate
# robust girder I don't think eternal was constructed in such a way to support that

There are already Co-Op Slaughtermap mods for DOOM Eternal that kick ass with 2 to 3 players, the same person who made em also made a Final Sin Co-Op Mission Mod, haven’t played the Final Sin one myself, but if the slaughtermaps work I don’t see why an actual Mission wouldn’t work. Case in point, Deathmatch as well as Co-Op work well in Eternal.

robust girder
woven siren
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doom 2016 3 arena

nimble loom
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Doom 3 part 2 quake ⅘

river folio
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Next Id game is gonna be a quake game

woven siren
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nobody knows that

river folio
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Didn't say it know it

woven siren
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i hope epic games makes a new unreal game

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good ol' quake vs unreal rivalry

clever bear
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I think Id making a new Quake game is extremely unlikely

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Not impossible, but the only Quake game of recent years was Champions, which hasn’t really done well. Bethesda assigning one of their more successful teams to a such an underdog project would be a kinda baffling business decision

woven siren
clever bear
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Sure, but that’s not how business decisions are typically made. Bethesda wants to make money, which means they need to not take a big chance on a project without a compelling reason to do so. There isn’t really a good business justification to put Id on such a project when Doom has more brand recognition and is a safer investment. I could see them giving it to a different team though

woven siren
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that is true

solar crown
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I dont see why they couldnt remake quake and just add "from the makers of doom eternal" revenantshrug

woven siren
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yeah

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and most people who check out doom know about quake

elder viper
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As well as a different engine trying to replicate the movement of idTech, why couldn’t they just have used idTech 6 since it was out at the time?

reef bolt
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If it's a quake game it'll be built around quake 1 lore. It won't be an arena multiplayer game alone lollll

glacial dove
reef bolt
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I'd say it would be included though

glacial dove
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It’s why you see a billion cods.

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But it’s pretty easy to say hey guys
QUAKE

Show a 1 min trailer showing the gunplay and speed. And have that sell

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Brand recognition is why assassins creed: Valhalla

Is liked and hated, because it’s hardly an assassins creed. But it’s a pretty damn good Viking game

They added the assassins creed to the name to sell. But it woulda sold well regardless, and probably better, without the creed in the title

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.
Also doom eternal and tag showed they were really just throwing things together at the last minute, I would hope they spend more time working on the story and such, especially since we concluded a very major story arc

clever bear
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It really wouldn’t have sold as well. Brand recognition takes advantage of familiarity bias and piggybacks off existing propaganda and overall goodwill. Games live and die by marketing more than anything else, despite gamers wanting to believe otherwise, and brand recognition is an extremely powerful marketing tool

glacial dove
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By that logic

Doom: Quake

Would sell billions of copies

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The ElderScrolls: Doom Champions

reef bolt
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I'd buy that

glacial dove
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Of course you would

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Besides. Machine games helped with the quake rerelease

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I wouldn’t be surprised to see id in collaboration with machine games make the new quake reboot

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And then some small doom spin off come out around the same time

reef bolt
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That's what I was thinking

elder viper
lilac kraken
elder viper
feral plover
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(Spoilers for wolfenstein youngblood) ||so we know that both the wolfenstein and doom universes are together. William has also figured out about the multiverse. So what if the next doom game is a crossover between doom and wolfenstein. And it is co-op, similar to Youngblood||

glacial dove
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I’m referring to an actual spin off. Not a quick mobile reskinned game

glacial dove
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Imagine 4 marines doing missions against hordes of demons

elder viper
feral plover
glacial dove
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Would certainly be neat to see imo

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Would scratch the co op itch of some people

The horde itch of others

And be a quick and easy game to make while they work on the next mainline entry

elder viper
glacial dove
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They have that special armor now

feral plover
elder viper
glacial dove
reef bolt
mint plinth
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Wolfenstein 3 when...? If we get no news about it soon im going to assume it is truly stuck in development hell and should just be scrapped or rebooted.

reef bolt
mint plinth
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i thought that LAST year

glacial dove
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Yeah but COVID delayed like everything

nimble loom
feral plover
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.

nimble loom
feral plover
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Weall yeah but

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Like ok then ig

reef bolt
elder viper
reef bolt
elder viper
reef bolt
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I like to shoot things

elder viper
woven siren
kind dragon
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I am thinking of the spongebob episode rn 💀

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I wonder what a doom game were you can do all sorts of acrobatic stuff would be like

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stuff like ledge grabbing long jumping rolling and stuff like that

woven siren
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would absolutely love that

urban crane
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Could we Have a halo and doom crossover I don't know like halo's control center opened a portal to doom guys universe now you have to fight demond's and alien's.

lucid harness
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Here me out Demon multiplayer skins in the campaign doomthonk

clever bear
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Yes please

tall talon
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That would be nice but possibly complicated

hardy hemlock
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I randomly thought of this. So in the next Doom game somewhere down the line in the story mode doomguy busts into a room, cutscence happens, then we take control while an arena happens, near the ending a marauder spawns but we got new weapons to deal with him and the old fashioned way. Glory kill him in a brutal way. Jump on him, then another cutscence happens. He grabs the marauders axe, he talks for a bit before being sliced in half by the axe. He had some flashbacks with the axe (long breath) then a tutorial pops up saying how to use it then we move on. But I know damn well that it's not gonna be in the game by a long shot

reef bolt
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Probably not

still swan
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I'm kinda hoping for official MOD support

hardy hemlock
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Yeeaaa I know damn well it's not gonna exist

red abyss
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bro, that would be damn great

clever bear
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I’d take proper mod support and/or a level editor over any other additional no questions asked

elder viper
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Love Zwip and all but it’s annoying having to install a new injector every update

still swan
elder viper
still swan
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My xbox playin ass has been dying for that for like 2 years😂

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It would be fantastic

clever bear
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Cool design pitch for demons in a future Doom game: complex demon behavior. Stuff to flesh them out and make them feel like a bit more like intelligent foes rather than mindless drones. Here are some examples:
-Demons who are seeking out the slayer but can’t currently see him have a small chance of mistaking a humanoid demon stepping into view for the slayer and opening fire
-Arachnotrons crawling on walls is a normal part of their ai rather than just for scripted events
-small vents create shortcuts around the arena for sneks and imps but no one else
-Doom 3 style infighting (higher ranking demons can retaliate against lower ranking demons but not the other way around)
-will sometimes coordinate to flank the slayer, cover support demons, and generally work together for an advantage
-zombies actively seeking out cover

reef bolt
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I don't like the idea of cover though

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Demons inherently should be stupid brutes / fodder

clever bear
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I get that, but there’s a world of difference between “wild animal” stupid and “charges directly at the enemy with no regard for their own safety or their surroundings” stupid, and demons fit better as the former

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Like they should at least feel like they’re trying to not die

reef bolt
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I mean that's kind of the point of zombies

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Just like the classic ones

clever bear
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Fair enough. I’m not married to the zombies taking cover idea, just think it would be a great way to make them stand out a little more while continuing to be chumps. The general idea of enemies interacting with the environment and one another is a big thing for me

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This kind of ai trickery would make the demons feel a bit more like living creatures, help them stand out from one another more (like imps and zombies being briefly mistaken for the Slayer and some routes being reserved for specific demon types), and also would give level designers more levers to make each encounter unique. A group of whiplashes and a mancubus is pretty straightforward; that same situation but now whiplashes have hidden shortcuts everywhere to quickly move around and attempt to sneak up on you throughout the fight is a lot more dynamic and makes whiplashes extra scary for that fight

elder viper
reef bolt
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I don't see how flanking would work at all considering how much you're moving

solar crown
clever bear
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Mostly it would be nice for the demons to have a little more going on than “if you see the slayer, attack. If not, take the most efficient path towards him.” The 2 simplest ways to flesh out their behavior is to give them ways to work together and give specific demons ways to interact with their surroundings

solar crown
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Demons dont just take the most efficient path

clever bear
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Okay. It does seem like they’re extremely straightforward and uncooperative with each other nonetheless

serene robin
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Not really supposed to. They’re chaotic and uncontrollable. They’re supposed to be like that. Trying to kill the slayer so they can have the bounty for themselves. Some are cooperative, but they can’t do anything else.

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It’s all a fight for power and status in their eyes.

serene robin
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Done basic overlooks, but in the future, what if some demons that were cybernetic reacted to the hammer or microwave beam? Electronics are weak against heat and EMP, so it would be fitting, if you could temporarily paralyze a cyber demon using microwave beam, or if carcasses make a return, they could explode when the hammer is used against them?

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Flame belch is strong against mecha zombies?
I get that it would make it easier by a lot, but it would make the less common mods get used more.

clever bear
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I get your point about demons being chaotic and out of control, but I think giving them any kind of “pack tactics” would help sell that they’re living creatures instead of robots, if only because it implies a sense of self preservation

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In general they almost feel actively suicidal in most Doom games

serene robin
clever bear
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Sure, but even the big boys staying behind the imps is a form of teamwork

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I’m not saying that they should be a well oiled machine, just that the ai should have them acknowledge one another’s presence in how they move and attack

serene robin
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I have a few doom-inspired stories (17), and in them, I write about small groups or duos of demons that fight together. Another thing to think about are the demon classes. You need to have it balanced out. You can’t simply have dozens of pressure demons and only one ranged. Doesn’t make sense. Also, they’re already fleshed out as-is. The AI is fine. Some demons are wonky but it’s fine.

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Although, a point to bring up here, is what games are we talking about in particular?

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In doom 3, pack hunting is a thing, and very common. The original 2 doom games, the demons are more spread out except for arenas. Each game, the demons are different

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‘Id will never make the same game twice’

clever bear
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Doom 3 is the exception here. I’m mainly thinking about how predictable the Eternal ai is. The big thing that helps the original Doom games have a bit less of this was how much randomness factored into demon behavior and made them feel less mechanical.
Id does different stuff with every game but they also clearly learn from the decisions each title makes and how that turns out.

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Also I’m not at all talking about what enemies are in an encounter, just how they react to one another and their environment within the encounter

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Incidentally I am more interested in the idea of demon specific environment interactions than pack tactics, like the above mentioned whiplash vents and Arachnotron wall crawling

serene robin
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Open world doom game

reef bolt
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Just make it take place In hell

serene robin
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Yee

woven siren
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would rather just have normal doom with really big levels

serene robin
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What if there was a dlc for eternal that gave us the 2016 demon models back?

unkempt axle
serene robin
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I’m a console player. Not everyone would be able to

nimble loom
serene robin
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?

nimble loom
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If bethesda can add mod support to the console versions of fallout 4 and skyrim why cant id do the same for doom?

serene robin
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bc Id software has better things to worry about than mods for console DOOM Eternal.

nimble loom
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And bethesda has nothing?

serene robin
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I dunno

nimble loom
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The answer is Starfield

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And elder scrolls 6

serene robin
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not really been keeping up on news. I halfway understood what your question is asking me.

feral plover
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I feel like we’ll see some elder scrolls 6 stuff in 2024

serene robin
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I knew elder scrolls 6 is in the works

nimble loom
feral plover
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We’ve found our god

nimble loom
feral plover
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The tree

nimble loom
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Is the tree todd in a costume?

feral plover
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Probably

reef bolt
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Bethesda has nothing to do with development of doom eternal or potential mod support. They are just a publisher.

clever bear
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Would mod support like that be realistic for Eternal?

elder viper
elder viper
# clever bear Would mod support like that be realistic for Eternal?

With how small id Software is it wouldn’t be very wise to devote time to mod support especially considering we know a new game is in development. Maybe they could get MachineGames to work on that if there not developing Wolfenstein 3 yet and or are currently working on it.

clever bear
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That makes sense. We’ll have to see I guess.

robust girder
robust girder
solar crown
clever bear
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I play on Nightmare. I haven’t played any mods due to my PC being way too wimpy for modern Doom. Part of why I want a level editor so much. The Eternal ai isn’t bad per se but the demons are rather predictable generally speaking

solar crown
elder viper
woven siren
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i think mod support could be easier but considering eternal is a big game and is probably way harder to mod than something like classic doom or minecraft idk

elder viper
woven siren
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how is eternal modded on PC?

woven siren
elder viper
woven siren
elder viper
elder viper
woven siren
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oh damn eternal mods are way more than what i expected

clever bear
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My thinking is that a level editor can be console compatible while traditional modding isn’t

solar crown
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Modding can be, it's just that console makers dont like people doing it for... some reason

reef bolt
serene robin
reef bolt
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Snapmap should have just been refined. Not purged. Honestly

serene robin
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Yeah

fluid thicket
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and it's not like every enemy does a grand total of 2 moves either, every enemy has a very solid line-up of attacks and animations that keep them engaging (except for the marauder, but for him it works since that's his shtick)

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although that's where I think the bosses are lacking. Every enemy feels like you're actually fighting a creature from hell... then you get to a boss and it carries on the same exact attacks and ways of defeating them throughout the entire fight. Gladiator first phase is just a big marauder (although second phase is pretty good), khan maykr is random bullshit go, and icon of sin is breaking his different body parts TWICE while trying not to get pummeled by randomized demons

feral plover
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162901871168585728

radiant pebble
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I think it would be cool if somebody would reverse engineer every arsenal from every doom game to work in one game so you can use every weapon from every Doom game in one game

It would need some balancing like enemies with a lot of more health as well as new weak points for every enemy so there won't be a single weapon that is completely useless and new ultra hard maps only possible because of your seemingly endless arsenal

Some weapons would seem similar with little differences like the Plasma Rifle (from OG Doom) would be very similar to Plasma Rifle (from Doom 2016) and it would deal more damage, but the thing is, Plasma Rifle from D2016 Has weapon mods, and Plasma Rifle from D1993 does not have them
Or the Chaingun from D2016 would have way higher chance of stunning a tanky enemy while the Chaingun from DEternal which seems to be way better at first cannot stun enemies at all
Or the SSG from DEternal would have the Meathook but the SSG from D2016 can shoot twice in a row

So which weapons you would use would go down to your personal opinion

I think that would be a neat crossover between all Dooms and probably the hardest Doom game yet

solar crown
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I'm guessing all the OG and just flatout 80% of weapons will be completely useless because they straight up dont do enough damage compared to other options so why use em

radiant pebble
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Yeah that's why i said that it would need some "balancing"
Like if a mancubi has 15000 health or something like that then there is no goddamn reason to make the OG shotgun only deal 105 damage max
It would need to be buffed
(Like every weapon with low damage output)

solar crown
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after all, why would you for example use ANY of the chainguns, if you can just use one of them instead?

radiant pebble
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I was thinking that there would be two gamemodes: in one of them you use all of them, but in the other one
you have to pick before every level which shotgun you would use, which chaingun etc.
And in the middle of the map there would be a station to change your set if you want to
To fit your playstyle

And like i said

Every weapon has an advantage and disadvantage over the others, and while there would be at least 5 weapons that are absolute garbage most of them would be valuable to not make the game feel like a scum

But off course there would probably be a set of weapons to use that are 100% the best

solar crown
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Every weapon has an advantage and disadvantage over the others, and while there would be at least 5 weapons that are absolute garbage most of them would be valuable to not make the game feel like a scum
except there are a few weapons which literally do not serve any purpose but to do damage. And if other guns outdamage it, why use them? after all their damage will be below the other options

reef bolt
solar crown
reef bolt
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I would agree though that eternal really missed the mark where classic shinned. Being each weapon was a tool for a curtain situation

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So had a purpose

solar crown
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yeah they needed to add more uniqueness to some of em

still swan
elder viper
clever bear
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Yeah bringing back one version of every weapon could be cool as a nostalgia and/or joke thing, but every version of each weapon is way too much.

next oxide
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Would you love a Doom 3 remake? Not a remaster which was the BFG Edition/VR Edition, but a full-on remake a la Resident Evil 2 and most recently, the upcoming 4.

elder viper
glacial dove
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I rather not a remake

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But a new game with the same direction

elder viper
#

Do you guys think it’s likely we’ll get a trailer/teaser for the new game id Softwares working on at the Xbox + Bethesda showcase on Sunday or do you think there gonna save it for QuakeCon?

feral plover
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what about doom 4

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oh wait that will never happen 😰

elder viper
next oxide
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Call of Doom?

true cave
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I think we'll see teaser on Xbox&Bethesda showcase and more details on QuakeCon

elder viper
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Routine, Metal Hellsing, and Witchfire are definitely going on my wishlist

reef bolt
nimble loom
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The thing is if we actually got doom 4 I dont think anyone would complain about it

reef bolt
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They wouldn't if it was done right

nimble loom
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People complain about it now because of 2016 making doom big fast shooty game but before then anything couldve been doom

mint plinth
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I hoping for new Doom, Wolf, Quake, Rage, and Hexen game. I am spoiled

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but at best we will see Wolf 3 and maybe a new Quake game

nimble loom
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Seeing as both rage 1 and 2 werent received particularly well

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I liked rage 2 but I feel like rage 3 is unlikely

cloud wharf
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I’m glad call of doom died

reef bolt
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Wouldn't have been like call of duty at all. Literally none of the kids here have ever played odst hey. Pretty sad

next oxide
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I mean, even some id devs called it Call of Doom internally. But yeah, frankly it’s more of Halo 3 ODST to me.

reef bolt
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From the gameplay that's the vibe I got

elder viper
robust ice
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Nazis find/create a portal/slipgate to hell before the UAC. We get Doom 3/Wolf 3 and quake all in one

serene robin
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Yes

elder viper
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Xbox Bethesda Showcase tommorow, lets hope we get some info on that game id's been cooking up.

next pulsar
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I wouldn't hate if it's a Quake or other series revival rather than Doom tbh, give the latter some time to breath and give the former to a brand new generation

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I trust ID regardless of what happens though they always bat 100

full ferry
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I got a new name for the mabye next doom game

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Doom the gods vengeance

robust ice
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Mood Eternal; set up like a point and click like After Party the demons chilling in the afterlife of hell plotting revenge. Satire, comedy, mystery, revenge plot

elder viper
elder viper
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You know if it’s not Doom of course, guess we’ll see though (or won’t)

pure dome
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Honestly, the next doom game coming out rn is pretty unlikely. Then again people raged at the concept of a female protagonist…MarauderBruh

solar crown
pure dome
# solar crown at the best we will get one in 2 years

That’s what I said, maybe 3 if they plan to do something bigger or better with it. Eternal was basically an improved 2016 and the games still getting support. And a new protagonist isn’t a bad idea ether, expands its universe and lore for the lore fans

solar crown
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they will go in another direction most likely, as hugo said

pure dome
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I like when devs try different things in a franchise ngl

full ferry
serene robin
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Wasn’t it his Seraphim?

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I thought you crushed the father in a cutscene? Unless we’re talking about Davoth

solar crown
serene robin
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Mhm.

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I thought so. I wonder how Vega feels.

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What if we got a dlc as Hayden in Hell? On the journey to retrieve the slayer? DLC?

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Probably be boring but hey, 10 foot tall robot

elder viper
solar crown
reef bolt
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Good idea but highly doubt it

solar crown
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If they bring in a "new" protagonist might aswell just take clash, someone gotta free doomguy anyways

reef bolt
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Selectable character maybe

solar crown
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Meh why would you do that, just make 1 character

serene robin
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Why not. Both? Two campaigns played from different points of view?

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It would take awhile, but if done correctly it could work out?

reef bolt
solar crown
serene robin
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What if doom(person) got a completely new arsenal in the next game? Only main returning weapons being plasma rifle and super shotgun?

solar crown
serene robin
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Wouldn’t work. I don’t feel the AI would be advanced enough to be like the player in terms of a doom game. It also would probably have complications on how the AI player would deal with enemies. Switch weapons when needed, use equipment effectively, etc. Doom just really isn’t meant for more than one slayer role in a single campaign

solar crown
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Huh

serene robin
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(Not really a tech guy so I’m not one to speak about where our AI is today. Apologies. There are much better to hold the conversation with)

solar crown
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Why you suddenly saying "wouldn't work" we werent talking about co op yet

serene robin
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No. I’m talking about an AI companion.

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I never really mentioned co-op

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I don’t think, at least

solar crown
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Oh like that

serene robin
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Yeah.

solar crown
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revenantshrug no need for an AI companion ngl

serene robin
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AI isn’t really complex enough for that. The only AI I’ve seen that is good enough and halfway developed to fit are Exo zombies.

serene robin
solar crown
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I mean, it can be. Ai is as complex as the devs make it usually

serene robin
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Then doom zombies must just be stupid

solar crown
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That's the point about them

serene robin
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Mhm.

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What if in the future we get more types of totems? A totem that weakens the damage the player deals, a totem that slows the player, a possession totem that gives all demons the stats of possessed demons, or a totem that summons heavies and super heavies at a fast rate until destroyed?

trim coral
serene robin
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But doom

trim coral
#

Yes

serene robin
#

I mean, he already has one. He just can’t use it in battle

reef bolt
mint plinth
#

well nothing from the Idverse, sad

serene robin
#

No.

elder viper
#

So nothing at the Bethesda Showcase, maybe the PC Gaming Show?

serene robin
#

Are there gonna be more livestreams?

elder viper
#

at 12:30

serene robin
#

Today?

elder viper
serene robin
#

A.M. or P.M.

elder viper
elder viper
serene robin
#

Ok

#

That’s be great! Because it’s already 2 P.M. where I’m at

mint plinth
elder viper
serene robin
#

Kinda looks big to be a game for 2023…

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What if it ends up like cyberpunk? Except… finished

fervent knoll
#

i have a theory on why the demonic soldiers are killed in one shot

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and commander vallen being a spectre

solar crown
fervent knoll
#

But why thy are killed in one shot?

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Because doom slayer's weapons are specifically engineered to kill demons so the weapons are buffed

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and commander vallen being a spectre

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There is a difference between king novik's spectre and commander vallen's spectre

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King novik is glowing blue and white

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While commander vallen is only blue

solar crown
solar crown
fervent knoll
solar crown
#

yeah, one that you can disprove in seconds

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it's like if i'm saying "theory: doomguy doesnt use guns"

fervent knoll
#

come to think if it

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it's kinda stupid

solar crown
#

yeah

fervent knoll
#

Are the demonic soldiers robots or smth?

solar crown
#

no, they are dead soldiers revived with hell stuff so they are zombies

fervent knoll
#

so they are zombies with armor?
No wonder why they're killed in one shot Archie

solar crown
#

so they are zombies with armor?
that's what i've been saying yeah, and i think the codex says it too

fervent knoll
#

ok cool

feral plover
solar crown
#

just them in general ig

feral plover
#

If so, kinda. We don't see what's under them so we can't tell if they're zombies, or if they just look like people, etc...

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But we know they're Immoran people, not demons. They stay alive through constant consumption of Hell's Essence, meaning that ironically despite their weakness, they've been alive longer than the Slayer most likely.

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I imagine they look like humans, like Davoth.

solar crown
#

oh those soldiers, completely forgot about those poor bastards megalel

reef bolt
#

But yeah if he means the soldiers in general with the green hair. Those are zombiemen like the classic

fervent knoll
feral plover
#

Fun fact: The meathook is enough to pop a hell trooper they are that weak

clever bear
#

I thought they changed that in a patch?

serene robin
#

Yeah. It takes a bit more now.

elder viper
# serene robin Yeah. It takes a bit more now.

Gotta admit was pretty funny before when they slightest gust of wind could gib them. Sucks they where and still are so meh. Would have settled for a re-skinned zombie soldier at the very least

serene robin
#

That was just the chaingunner tho. Even same gk’s

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Also, it wouldn’t have killed Id to give some custom gk’s to the TAG II enemies

solar crown
#

time constraints though

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takes time thinking and making a GK

serene robin
#

Was some group rushing them to push out TAG II tho?

solar crown
#

yeah, themselves

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tag2 was rushed, by a lot

serene robin
#

They coulda even added the gk’s in afterwards, couldn’t they?

serene robin
solar crown
serene robin
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Like other updates that coulda waited a week or two

solar crown
#

pfff tag2 couldve waited a bit longer then just a week or two lol

serene robin
#

Both TAGs coulda waited. Span it out over the course of some time, give little playable snippets as it was being developed, do something to keep us entertained with it. Span DOOM’s life longer

solar crown
#

tag1 was only a tiny bit rushed, it was fiine

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and stretching out a game's life too much is annoying af, and doom already had quite some support for quite a bit

serene robin
solar crown
#

they where? i only know about the armoured baron

serene robin
#

There was no Armoured baron in Tag I

solar crown
#

oh wait those, i thought you meant new demons

serene robin
#

No

solar crown
#

armoured barons are on some concept art of a tag1 poster, they where definitely planned for tag1

serene robin
#

Woulda made it a bit too chaotic in my opinion. Spirits were enough already

solar crown
#

but with those... that's not because tag1 was unfinished, but because lots of people complained about the tag1 difficulty and ID changed it. way too late cause by then everyone who sticked around already was "used" to it anyways so they reverted most changes

reef bolt
#

^ yep... Basically people not getting into the fun zone

solar crown
#

mostly people who refused to lower the difficulty i bet

clever bear
#

Petition to replace “banish to the Shadow Realm” with “banish to the Fun Zone”

reef bolt
#

Agree

serene robin
#

Agree

upbeat heart
#

When morbius in doom

tacit breach
#

guys Bethesda games announcement was really bad

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who agrees?

woven siren
#

no doom or quake

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don't really know or care much about the other games they presented

solar crown
#

meh this year was the earliest ID wouldve posted a teaser anyways

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and besides, quakecon is still a thing

reef bolt
reef bolt
elder viper
clever bear
#

My main hope for the next announcement is one more content update for Eternal. My dream addition would be a level editor but even just one more Master Level would rule. Especially for a DLC level like Blood Swamps.

reef bolt
nimble loom
#

Wonder whos gonna develop the next non doom game

reef bolt
nimble loom
#

Who that

clever bear
#

I feel like a good way to do a sort of level editor without full Snapmap support could be something like a master level maker. The idea is a mode that lets you place and remove game objects without geometry editing. A full level editor would be better but I think this could be an excellent way to do it with less dev cost

elder viper
clever bear
#

Hulshult is good

elder viper
# clever bear Hulshult is good

Don’t get me wrong he’s amazing but compare his songs from TAG to Levy’s, the DUSK ost, and IDKFA and imo there better

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Though Reclaimed Earth and Blood Swamps are bangers can’t lie

fickle fern
#

I wish doom slayer, had the armor just like the dark lord for the sequel, it got me jealous like I want a warhammer suit for the doom slayer, but it needs some ability too.

elder viper
#

Personally I think that suit would be to big and bulky for someone like the Slayer

serene robin
#

Biggest and bulkiest man alive.

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Those biceps are like none other

tender cedar
# reef bolt He already is

Heard you can summon him by getting lost in the E1M2 maze and then falling down in the slime pit in E1M3, and THEN going around the E1M9 monster cage 163.9 million times.

reef bolt
tender cedar
#

Yes

loud prawn
nimble loom
marsh finch
rustic haven
#

i am your eternal doom

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and you will be destroyed

elder viper
serene robin
#

Yes

tall kernel
tall kernel
#

I think a game about the training days would be cool ending where the sentenals got separated in hell

clever bear
#

I hope that the next game keeps the carried over lore really simple. Mostly because Doom story takes a backseat to gameplay and an overly complicated story risks either being confusing or hijacking the game’s focus. Or both. Also it’s generally better to to make sure the story doesn’t require playing the previous games to make sense.

elder viper
#

I know it won’t happen but I want more Wretch lore. Specifically stuff like why would a demon help Doomguy. The little things.

reef bolt
tall kernel
clever bear
#

I specifically remember them saying that it wasn’t the end

tall kernel
#

When they said that I think they meant they were gonna make more games but it’s the final moments in the slayer saga something about them saying the end of the saga but they weren’t done yet they had more stories to tell

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But then again I could be Remembering it wrong

clever bear
#

IIRC they said it’s the end of Eternal’s story but not the end of the bigger story.

glacial dove
#

Eternal ended the major arc involving the dark lord

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But will have more arcs

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Supposedly

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How they will make more arcs i have no clue

clever bear
#

My guess: new big bad who takes over Hell. Presumably a god. I remember something about the plan for the next Doom was to have it be more Lovecraftian, which fits with a new baddie getting control of the demons and freeing them or maybe even just growing their own. Demons who were made outside of Hell would be a neat twist, especially if the cloning was a bit off so the new demons were warped and deformed Doom 64 style but more extreme

reef bolt
#

Really didn't need to blow their load with the dark lord in the second dlc

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It would be like if lord of the rings 2 towers had sauron killed at the end of that movie

tall kernel
#

There was something about someone betraying the dark Lord and no one knows who it is yet and there was also that mysterious voice after you defeat the Kan maker

clever bear
#

I still can’t hear the voice in that cutscene

elder viper
#

As for the voice in the cutscene the name tied to it was changed to Dark Lord after The Ancient Gods came out so I can assume it’s one of the many Dark Lords of Hell.

solar crown
#

nah it was supposed to be davoth, but got changed cause they rushed the tag2 lore

tall kernel
#

I thought there was another race that betrayed him

solar crown
#

There wasnt much more then the immorrans and makyrs back them

tall kernel
#

True

halcyon scarab
elder viper
#

Personally I would rather a new game announcement more so than new Eternal news

reef bolt
#

I wouldn't bet on just cosmetic

elder viper
#

Then what?

reef bolt
#

Either a new project or actual eternal content

glacial dove
reef bolt
#

Like I said

glacial dove
#

Well that’s obvious

reef bolt
glacial dove
#

That’s 2 entirely different companies

reef bolt
#

It's not obvious there will be a ID game announcement. I'd really hope for machine games next project

glacial dove
#

They are not even owned by the same company either

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Why would id just stop making games after 2 successful money makers?

reef bolt
glacial dove
#

Id owns quake not wolf

reef bolt
#

And the ID game collaboration

reef bolt
glacial dove
#

Ok and?

reef bolt
#

If it's quakecon there is a chance machine games could be heading development on a quake remake because of its work on the new levels. Also there passion for quake during a few interviews. Although some think they might be to busy with wolf or Indiana Jones some people think they may be taking part in a quake remake. So there is a chance at quakecon a quake remake headed by machine games could occur. Maybe with a collaboration with ID considering their history together

glacial dove
#

If id isn’t working on eternal what are they doing?

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Something else

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Which we call a project

reef bolt
#

Not sure what's up work your attitude

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But yeah that's what I was saying

glacial dove
clever bear
#

It’s entirely reasonable that the next Doom isn’t at a point that they’re ready to announce anything

reef bolt
#

Basically there is a chance the project they are working on will be announced if eternal is done. But it isn't 100 percent. I'm betting it will be though

polar terrace
#

I wonder what the next doom game will be about. It is confirmed that doom eternal isn't the last doom game but in eternal you stop the demonic consumption of earth, I guess you could kill the leftover demons on earth but I really don't know what the main objective will be.

glacial dove
#

So either it will be a prequel at some point in the timeline. Or a new reboot/ new earth again

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Or spin offs

clever bear
#

Alternatively it could be someone either replacing Davoth in Hell or cloning demons outside of Hell to make their own. Mutant artificial demons sound like a really fun theme, especially if they leaned into it with weirdo hybrids and such

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I especially like that cloning idea if you can’t tell

reef bolt
#

I'd go with that although a reboot is possible. I'd bet on a new villain somehow

clever bear
#

Whatever the story is, I want the next game to embrace utility tools over quickswap stuff, and I want lots of very imaginative combat encounters that play with the system’s rules in unique ways. Oh and also some truly bizarre levels

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My favorite part of the cloning idea is the potential it gives to make the demons extremely weird

reef bolt
#

I feel Quickswap should be tonned down to the levels of 2016 where it wasn't completely necessary for high level play... which would mean each weapon has a purpose and use rather than meta

clever bear
#

Right.

drifting ridge
#

Doom 2016 is like doom 1, doom eternal is like doom 2, the dlcs are like plutonia experiment, i think they next game will be like doom 64

lost condor
#

god i hope its not like doom 3...

#

id made a shitty third game, valve just made no third game entirely

drifting ridge
#

You just made a few people angry

#

beware for whats to come

lost condor
#

i mean

#

doom 3 is just dark, and the company that perfected fps shotguns made a bad one

drifting ridge
#

Did you play the game or watched a full playthrough?

lost condor
#

ive watched a playthrough

drifting ridge
#

All of it?

lost condor
#

yeah

drifting ridge
#

Ah alright

woven siren
drifting ridge
#

It wouldnt make a lot of sense

woven siren
#

maybe by "more like a tank than a racecar" they mean you have slower movement speed

drifting ridge
#

since most people want to see more of the doom slayer, not some random dude

woven siren
#

the slayer lost his powers at the end of TAG2 if i'm correct

drifting ridge
#

Kind of yes

#

its not quite explained

woven siren
#

so yeah he can now be the perfect protagonist for a doom 3-esque game

drifting ridge
#

the guy from doom 3 was just a human being, doom guy even at his lowest had super human power

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I hope it will be like doom 64

woven siren
#

doom 64 has good atmosphere but i think the imps and zombiemen sound silly

drifting ridge
#

Speaking of, will mother demon be back somehow?

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I think it will be something like the icon of sin

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if it will even be like doom 64, that is

drifting ridge
#

i know they wanted to go for a more scary look but it just doesnt look right

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I also heard they want to change things, so the game might be more focused on more and less on gameplay

woven siren
#

mainly since i thought he had 2 spectral-looking eyes, not one big eye

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he looks cartoony once you see it as the latter

elder viper
clever bear
#

Same. It’s actually good, just very different

elder viper
# clever bear Same. It’s actually good, just very different

Yeah it’s not a perfect game but it still has a lot of good ideas and moments. Yeah the shotgun kinda sucks and the games a bit dark but it’s still a good time. Pretty much every weapon after the shotgun is fantastic. The Plasma Rifle and Chaingun are just as good as you’d expect.

clever bear
#

Yup. I just wish it threw meaningful encounters regularly through the whole game instead of only occasionally until halfway through

loud prawn
loud prawn
lost condor
#

💀

loud prawn
#

Point still stands

lost condor
#

nice gaul soodman pfp

loud prawn
lost condor
#

goodbye now

dreamy mulch
#

wolfenstein 3 when

wild hawk
reef bolt
#

It's not their fault they have shit taste

wanton wolf
#

doom future demons have iq and hell make big tower sit so smart demon make big monster

glacial dove
#

Doom 3 shotgun is by no means bad. But if you don’t use it correctly that’s on you

clever bear
#

Yeah it’s less like the Doom 1 shotgun and more like the Resident Evil shotgun

feral plover
#

^^^

#

Doom 3 is absolutely worth a playthrough. It is fantastic.

violet aurora
#

Isn't doom 3 a reimagining of the original story

clever bear
#

More or less.

violet aurora
#

Yeah doom 2016 and eternal seem to continue the story after 64

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Although in doom 3 he is back on phobos

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iirc

clever bear
#

No Doom 3 is on the surface of Mars itself. Otherwise it’s basically a loose reimagining of Doom 1

reef bolt
clever bear
#

Right.

elder viper
elder viper
elder viper
violet aurora
#

Or it's a different marine and not doomguy

reef bolt
#

Well it's most likely not doomguy and a alt reality

nimble loom
violet aurora
granite venture
#

It would be really cool if for the next doom game when you jump down to an enemy and use your chainsaw, it has a different animation.

serene robin
#

What if the chainsaw were used in gk animations? Wouldn’t consume fuel or give resources, but the heavier demons have the chainsaw in some gk animations.

granite venture
#

That'd be nice too tbh

short mantle
sturdy spindle
#

We need the ability to toggle AI smartness

glacial dove
#

That’s what difficulty levels are for

sturdy spindle
#

Oh right

wanton wolf
#

the future is unkwon

serene robin
#

Until it Isn’t

nimble loom
mossy lodge
#

Co-op doom would be cool, I stand by that

agile surge
#

How do you mean would be

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It exists

drifting ridge
#

Yeah it does

mossy lodge
#

hm

#

I should have been more specific, that’s my fault

drifting ridge
#

theres a co op mod, not finished, but mostly finished

mossy lodge
#

What I meant is, Eternal campaign multiplayer

agile surge
#

Oh sorry

mossy lodge
#

something of that essence, I should have worded it better though

nimble loom
mossy lodge
#

okay, I understand

nimble loom
#

Its a troll

agile surge
nimble loom
#

Thanks

reef bolt
#

Aka andy

nimble loom
reef bolt
#

Yes

loud prawn
pallid gorge
wanton wolf
drifting ridge
#

Xcq aint lying, i know that link

cobalt grail
#

next doom should happen in sentinel era.

#

Also when are we going to get our hands on doom bible?

elder viper
#

Also pretty sure the Doom Bibles already a thing

clever bear
#

Yeah I really don’t want prequel stuff.

nimble loom
#

there are so many other reuploads with links people dont have memorized

elder viper
forest moss
#

black people

cyan moss
#

All i want is a new Quake with the new movement

woven siren
#

new movement?

#

eternal movement?

#

quake's movement is good enough on its own, the only other mechanic i'd want added is a crouch slide

#

a double jump would work too but quake veterans would whine about it

drifting ridge
#

Minecraft movement kappa

woven siren
#

dashing would suck ass in a game with quake movement

#

i can confirm as i have played quake movement with a dash via the zmovement mod for doom

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also i think it would be nice for players to be able to choose between cpma, qw, and q3 movement

elder viper
loud prawn
mossy lodge
#

LIES?

loud prawn
#

Nein

mossy lodge
#

huh

loud prawn
mossy lodge
#

Better call him

woven siren
#

it's like quake movement except you can actually aim while moving

elder viper
cyan kestrel
#

Y'know, for a long time I never fully understood why ppl wanted Karl Urban to come back for another Doom movie.
Then I saw this screencap of him from The Boys on my Twitter feed and it finally clicked, I was like "HOW WAS I SO BLIND???" XD https://twitter.com/TheBoysTV/status/1543263478315622402

THE BOYS (@TheBoysTV)

One ticket for the Barbie movie

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exotic cradle
copper horizon
#

Hey, it's Faramir.

nimble loom
agile surge
#

Karl urban was unironically a really good pick for doomguy. That movie was just bad

stiff kindle
hot hemlock
#

Imagine if quake, doom and wolfenstein and up being in the same universe

glacial dove
#

Quake is possible. Wolfenstein is not

reef bolt
#

Wolfenstein can be. If they pull off some sort of alt dimension thing again

stiff kindle
#

JR said that canonically Doomguy and BJ are related didn't he? I'm tired so I won't look for a source lmao

reef bolt
glacial dove
#

It was simply a “well we said so” kinda thing that never gained any ground

#

Since then wolfenstein itself has changed timelines around 7 times

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And doom changed dimensions

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Not even counting the fact that nowhere in doom is wolfenstein technology

#

The ONLY way that is possible for them to connect it is wolfenstein people take a portal to a peaceful world with nothing bad that happens to then go to hell in a hundred years after

lethal marlin
#

Next game when

reef bolt
lethal marlin
#

Let’s go

stiff kindle
reef bolt
clever bear
#

It wouldn’t make a good game but I’d love to see the Slayer go to the Wolfenstein universe and just ripping the Nazi forces a new one without much difficulty. Probably a good fanfic but bad official thing I think

stiff kindle
mossy lodge
#

quality regardless

spiral trench
#

Maybe as a short standalone thing that just creates wolfenstien levels for doom eternal kinda like a more polished version of the doom 2 secret levels

clever bear
#

That would be interesting

elder viper
elder viper
humble rivet
static garnet
#

100% understandable

wicked basin
#

what's multiplayer in the next game gonna be like?

clever bear
#

Who knows? I’d like it to be pretty simple personally, if only to save resources for the campaign stuff

wicked basin
feral plover
#

what even happened to the slayer between 2016 and eternal

feral plover
#

Based on context clues, we can discern:

  1. The Slayer was gone for around 12-13 years, Earth time.
  2. The Slayer ended up in Hell at some point, though unclear as to if this was where Hayden sent him or if he got there himself.
  3. He may have used the ruined Atlan in the Fortress to defeat a demon in this time (perhaps Nilox's guardian).
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Maybe the next game should focus on that in between time

#

On how the slayer went from whatever nice beach hayden sent him to the fortress of doom

elder viper
#

Could’ve been answered in the TAG Codex, missed opportunity imo

feral plover
#

or it could've been in the base game

elder viper
#

Yeah that would work to

feral plover
fickle fern
#

For the sequel, we need a better version of the unmaykr because the current one kind of sucks, it’s just a machine gun that spread lasers

clever bear
#

Doom 64 has the good Unmaykr.

#

I’m honestly fine with the Unmaykr just being absent as the BFG is a more interesting super weapon anyway (IMO) and it could be a blast with some reworking. What that rework would look like IDK given that we don’t know how the next game will even play

shell moat
#

Here's my personal hope:

The next game will continue the worldbuilding as in Eternal but will revamp the arena shooter-style multiplayer as in Doom 2016.
The best of both worlds.
Doom 2016's multiplayer is still quite popular and challenging. The only limit is your own skill.
Although Eternal had a great single-player campaign, 2016's multiplayer is still player after all these years. I'm not sure Eternal's multiplayer will have that longevity.

clever bear
#

I really don’t care about the multiplayer personally. I mainly care about how they handle the campaign and user-created content. Eternal’s lack of any kind of level editor makes me real sad

wet scaffold
#

that was definitely a backstep

sick crystal
#

T j e futu

frigid grotto
#

Yeah it's not as good compared to the bfg or crucible

#

Or the other super weapons I mean, but I really love using it in situations where I want to get rid of an enemy fast without using 30 bfg cells, like a possessed tyrant

#

I think like people said before it should have pierced through enemies and hit behind them as well

mint plinth
#

I need new doom game hype

#

Prequel? Spinoff?

glacial dove
#

I wonder when mighty doom officially launches

glacial dove
#

That would give 2 major groups of doom fans what they want that will hold them over until the next installment

mint plinth
#

i would like a prequel personally. Coop Horde mode would be nices as a side gig but nothing beats the SP experiance

#

Prequel about the Doomguy before he was the Doom Slayer

#

and mods, must have modding and some form of user made content.

clever bear
#

So basically the first few Doom games?

mint plinth
#

well made within the continuity of Doom2016/Eternal. But yes

#

could also do a game about the the doomguy and his time with the sentinels