the-future

[feral plover]

Quake deserves better than playing sidekick to Doom.

Like even with TDA's eldritch shit, Quake 1's Lovecraft stuff has a totally different vibe than anything in Doom. We shouldn't homogenize them.

[tulip scaffold]

I could see quake taking over the more grounded & realistic & scary doom 3 style boomershoot. Reload, tube food, hairy shambler...

As much as I'd like another doom 3 remaster, it'd be more business minded to remaster quake 4...

And then drop a trailer for Quake X : Shubboth by the Balls

[proud portal]

I agree with this more than anything I've maybe ever read in this server. Growing up when both Doom and Quake were released, they've always been entirely different games and innovative all on their own. I get tired of people packaging them together as if Quake was an expansion on Doom.

[round palm]

Like it or not, Bethesda has made it pretty clear that DOOM, Quake, and RAGE are all connected and part of the same universe

[feral plover]

I mean, they kind of haven't made this clear. Actually this is a question they routinely ignore.

[round palm]

In the games though, DOOM slayer is in Quake Champions literally

[reef lodge]

I kinda get Quake and DOOM, but... where did you get RAGE?

[feral plover]

There is no indication that Quake Champions is canon to Doom. By that metric we can say Tony Hawk's Pro Skater is set in the Doom universe.

[round palm]

There’s a Slayer toy in RAGE, and the moon is destroyed in both games

[reef lodge]

Sonic Adventure 2 canon to DOOM?

The toy is just a cheeky easter egg though... why do DOOM fans also always treat those as extreme canonity?

[round palm]

Because it’s cool!

[feral plover]

Yeah, and I say this as someone who also at one point believed they should just roll Quake into Doom. I'm not a huge Quake fan; I don't think it's aged as well as Doom has. But IMO it has a ton of potential as a modern series.

I want modern Quake to be like Doom 3 on heroin. I want Quake to be reimagined as a series where the protagonist is a battered, horrified action hero who is confronted with unknowable Lovecraftian horrors beyond the comprehension of his tiny little mind, and the only thing he can do is aim his nailgun at it and hope for the best.

[reef lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/look-stare-face-mean-bruh-gif-27645430

Pretty sure with QC they tried to push this kind of thing for the Ranger, making him feel insane and losing his grip on reality, so that's awesome

[round palm]

New Quake or Hexen game with modern DOOM-like gameplay would be awesome to have next

[proud portal]

Like it or not, the original guys at id have not said this ever

[round palm]

Yeah I know, we can only hope

[feral plover]

Full-on unapologetic action horror. Not "you are the real horror." You are a lone, terrified hero surrounded by freakish monsters older than your entire planet, who have consumed worlds you cannot even imagine. And all you have are your guns. No insane mobility, no Glory Kills, no lore codex files about how much of a badass you are. You are just barely surviving by the skin of your teeth. Action-filled gameplay, maybe... but you never know if the thing in the dark is something you know and have fought, or something far worse.

[proud portal]

I love Quake but again, 75% of that is childhood nostalgia for me and I'll admit that

[reef lodge]

So it is FACT but you can also only hope it's real? You my friend have said some confusing things today

[round palm]

Sounds like you prefer horror games to FPS

[feral plover]

I don't. My point isn't that I prefer this over Doom. I love everything about modern Doom.

My point is that modern Doom's vision does not fit Quake, and shouldn't be applied to it.

[round palm]

Well Quake Champions is really similar to DOOM, and I liked that direction, but I want single player content

[reef lodge]

I want them to do a Quake that feels like Quake and not DOOM. id Software is a very diverse developer and are not just the speed guys

[round palm]

What’s wrong with speed though? Speed is fun and essential for FPS

[feral plover]

I'm not saying there shouldn't be speed - I just don't want Doom Eternal speed.

[round palm]

What about The Dark Ages speed with a slider?

[reef lodge]

Nothing is wrong with speed... I just don't want every single game to focus on that. That's boring. Give me another RAGE with an inventory system and tactical combat

[feral plover]

I want Doom 3 speed. People whine about Doom 3's gameplay but Doom 3 does, in fact, have fast-paced gameplay - it just doesn't shine until the second act when the game stops relying on Imps ambushing you behind doors.

[round palm]

Kind of curious, how old are you? Might give me some perspective

[feral plover]

I want an action-horror FPS game where you are a capable but human protagonist. I want to feel like a badass, sure, but a human badass who can't just zip around the arena and tear heads off. When I survive a fight in a modern Quake game I want it to be by the skin of my teeth, going "Jesus fuck that was bad," and thanking God when I see a medkit only to realize there's a fucking eldritch monster with 8 eyes and a grenade launcher lurking right by it behind the corner.

[reef lodge]

What's the relevance here, again

[feral plover]

IMO that is the best direction for modern Quake. That gives it an identity that justifies it co-existing with modern Doom in the present day, without cannibalizing its fans.

[round palm]

Like I said, perspective. Like did you play the original games back in the 90s?

[reef lodge]

If this is about which game I grew up playing; I didn't grow up with any of them, but 2016 hooked me first. I still just don't want every game to be 2016.

[reef lodge]

No, I first played them in 2020. They were my first experience with id

[round palm]

I also started with DOOM in 2018, and I agree that other games shouldn’t completely copy DOOM, but just incorporate some it’s best gameplay elements

[reef lodge]

Being fast paced is a huge gameplay element though and it completely changes the gameplay of a game. I want unique experiences now

[round palm]

And Hugo Martin invented the speed slider, so that’s no longer an issue

[feral plover]

The speed slider isn't a replacement for actual design, though - it affects the entire game's logic.

[reef lodge]

This is like the "you control the buttons you press" stuff again

[round palm]

I mean there’s merit to that, if you want to play the game slow you can make it that way

But it’s best to raise the speed ceiling for those who want it

[reef lodge]

You don't play every game for speed though, just like how you don't play every game tactically

[round palm]

When you say tactical are you referring to using your brain, like the Eternal combat system of weaknesses and priority?

[reef lodge]

Something like RAGE where you construct items to help you in combat and take it slow to pick them off one by one

[round palm]

The first RAGE? I actually thought that combat was not great and kind of too standard

[reef lodge]

I liked it a lot

[round palm]

RAGE 2 was much better for me

Sounds like we have differing preferences for FPS games, but unfortunately for you, I think ID software is more likely to make their next game fast paced as well

[foggy seal]

kinda wish they revived the cancelled Doom 4 as some sorta spin off

[reef lodge]

If it fits the game I am fine with that

[round palm]

It can fit any FPS game though

[reef lodge]

I'm not having this convo all over again

[round palm]

They haven’t made a single bad game since DOOM

[reef lodge]

Respectfully, because I like you, but I disagree and don't care to debate

[round palm]

Do we think that The Dark Ages DLC will add even more glory kills?

[foggy seal]

who knows? personally don't really care for them

[craggy mirage]

i will only accept this if the art style is more like modern doom and you play as a survivor who is doing what he can to escape the demons invading earth

[vast socket]

I want more weapons in the dlc to be honest

[craggy mirage]

we are getting one

two max but 95% chance of being one

[grim saffron]

i'd kinda like a different weapon in the chain-launcher category

[worldly venture]

guys, do you think there is any chance for ripatorium get a multiplayer mode in the future? a co op rip and tear?

[craggy mirage]

1% if the devs want to

only hope is a multiplayer mod and even then thats a few years later

[round palm]

I kind of hope we get the crucible

[digital quarry]

im 99.7% sure that the weapon in the DLC will be a spear

[reef lodge]

Wolfenstein 3D moment

[crude sparrow]

Anyone got any theories as to who or what's gonna open the tomb of Doomguy?

[void phoenix]

Samuel hayden

[crude sparrow]

I mean after the events of Doom Eternal

Specifically after the Davoth thing

[tulip scaffold]

the lady found and opened the tomb iirc

[round palm]

A Quake Champions character

[glad hamlet]

We’re actually gonna learn that Slayer is in a repeating timeline put there by the demons. He goes to sleep in TAG2 and wakes up in 2016 which is why it’s called Doom Eternal and will eventually break the cycle in the Eternal sequel.

[reef lodge]

Bendy lore

[foggy seal]

this is some BlazBlue Calamity Trigger shit

[peak ingot]

that explains a lot

[tulip scaffold]

Enter the new protagonist
DoomDude

[flat fable]

I hope they improve the Atlan battles

Instead of mega punch, give the Atlan glory kills

[muted bridge]

Yes

[round palm]

It’s sad that we likely won’t get any more dragon chapters though, because of Serrat

[glad hamlet]

I posted this on one of Midnights videos but what if TDA Slayer got like a cape glider or smthn

[round palm]

Or a fully robotic replacement dragon

[glad hamlet]

Drop down on enemies with huge shockwaves during combat and shit

Glider glory kills would go hard

And throwing the spear (if its what the new weapon is) like a grapple hook would be spick

[round palm]

It would be cool if each melee weapon got an extra unique glory kill

[hushed solstice]

PREDICTION: the story will keep going after the events of tag 2 because A) suits need more money and B) we still haven't got the bastard who killed daisy

surely somebody has made this joke before...

[glad hamlet]

You could do a sequel after TAG2 Im sure

It would just be the Slayer being awoken again god knows how far into the future

I still think the time loop idea would be funny

[fallen arch]

next doom game should have doom slayer now have a companion fighting alongside him that can swap back and forth between, maybe both have their own unique weapons and abilities

this be potential for a.. female slayer?

[smoky iron]

god i hope not

it would be a good idea to make it a skin, but the main character/default skin?

it would probably get boycotted, deservedly

or i misunderstood what you said, idk

[fallen arch]

you definitely misunderstood me

I mean like doom slayer having a bad ass and sexy female companion fighting alongside him

this could allow for new co-op type mechanics and new feature where can swap back and forth between 2 characters in missions

[smoky iron]

oh i see it

that’s lowkey a good idea

[long idol]

…Like Boltgun 2 adding a playable Sister of Battle

[glad hamlet]

Replace sexy female with playable demons

Like in Kirby if you join a multiplayer game you’re dropped in as an allied monster

Do that with the Doom demons and have an amazing time

[round palm]

Samuel Hayden could be our sexy companion

[mint plinth]

next doom game when?

[proud portal]

bruh the new game hasn't even been out for a year

[errant depot]

Next doom game tomorrow please

[verbal delta]

😒

[smoky iron]

brotato tda has only had like 1 major update so far, calm down

[muted bridge]

Guys he was kidding

[abstract shard]

Yes, its a joke

[reef lodge]

We're on update 3 broklahoma

[smoky iron]

i know brotein shake

[muted bridge]

Alr brotato chip

[abstract shard]

Very well hambrogers

[craggy mirage]

i want the next doom game to explore space a bit more

[tender vale]

That would be fun

[round palm]

Imagine the next DOOM game is Japanese themed, with a samurai Slayer, Japanese demons like oni, and a soundtrack by BABYMETAL

[verbal delta]

[nimble loom]

I dont think you did broseph

Thats just my option tho

[smoky iron]

it’s alright brovacado 👍😁 🥑

[abstract shard]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExczZlenNhZmsyZGh2NTh4dGh1bHFvcDRuODY1MGN4ZGVrbDVnMW54cyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/aDUmxC0OstkVbiloQg/giphy.gif

[craggy mirage]

a babymetal doom soundtrack sounds insane but im so for it

[foggy seal]

Shadow Warrior reboot games exists i don't think we really need that

[crimson cargo]

Why satanic furries? Why not satanic Karens and Negative Nancies?

[smoky iron]

that’s fucking sick dude

i can’t wait to see it

[tulip scaffold]

Pandorum or Event Horizon?

[smoky iron]

don't worry bro some people just get offended over anything

Im 15 and I have some coding knowledge so I'll check the game out

[round palm]

Is the slayer character a furry too?

[feral plover]

I'd be more than happy to see a female main character for Doom but I'd prefer it not be with the focus of making her "sexy."

The Alien route is always the best here. Just write a role for any main character, and then afterward make it a woman. I think more female characters in Doom would be great. I just don't want them to be painted by shitty over-sexualization. We deserve better than that.

[round palm]

Samantha Hayden

[feral plover]

I guess Thira seems to be kind of divisive? But IMO it felt like her character could have been any Sentinel and I liked that. She wasn't a princess or whatever first, she was a Sentinel comrade.

I'd say as far as Doom's female characters go (which is a low bar, since there's like none of them), Thira is pretty good.

[reef lodge]

Would be cool for them to adapt Crash in the DLC

Obviously I hope they don't do this but if they would also add an arena named "Arena Eternal" people would be like "oh that's so on the nose, it's because of DOOM Eternal" and it would indeed be on the nose... but not because of DOOM Eternal

[round palm]

By the way for any females here, what is your opinion on bicep windows?

[feral plover]

I don't know what you're talking about. I'm responding to a completely different thing.

[reef lodge]

No curvy no sexy 💔 💔

This is going in my favorite DOOMcord quotes

[feral plover]

Dude. I literally do not know what you are going on about. I am on a completely different subject.

[smoky iron]

i agree

yeah cid is right

they are satanic

exactly, must die

[round palm]

I mean I think killing Nazis is funnier than furries…. But suit yourself

[smoky iron]

both are fun to do

[feral plover]

The furry obsession is getting old. That's, like, 2016 shit. Almost every furry I've met was a nice person who just happened to like drawing dog people or whatever.

[reef lodge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1180586669037068340/1445064798349037691/image.png?ex=692efcf7&is=692dab77&hm=fd77d465adcf4c1e7353e8a0bb866c4dcb9ac43af44647f8d5553f2ade8415e7&

[feral plover]

Whereas there are no nice Nazis.

[reef lodge]

This is how this entire conversation reads to me

[smoky iron]

i dont have any bad experince with furries

and i dont hate them

[reef lodge]

Didn't you just say it's fun to kill them 😭

[smoky iron]

this picture weirds me out

[smoky iron]

im just saying CID's game sounds cool

[round palm]

It kind of seems contrary to the spirit of DOOM, given Daisy’s death is the driving force behind the whole thing

[smoky iron]

thats a good point

[round palm]

The fun thing about DOOM is that there is little moral quandary with killing demons and zombies, because they are alien, undead, and/or pure evil

[feral plover]

Well, there's also humans and Maykrs, when they're assholes.

[smoky iron]

they are all, the demons even attack each other often

plus the demons actively try to kill the human species so theres no defending them

[feral plover]

We happily kill a bunch of Marauders, who are just resurrected humans, in Eternal because they fucking suck. Maykrs also suck. IIRC, our objective for the first act of Doom 2016 is to kill Olivia.

[round palm]

I don’t think there are any human enemies, unless you count Olivia Pierce

[smoky iron]

its very easy to 1 cycle in a marauder, kill in like 2 seconds

use the ssg, grenade, full auto, grenade, something like that. muscle memory for me

[feral plover]

Marauders are resurrected humans - I think they count. They have monstrous qualities to make them fit Doom, but in literal terms they are of the human species in a way that Possessed humans are not.

[round palm]

They have been transfigured into demons, and they used to be humanoids from Argent D’Nur, not identical to Earth humans technically

[feral plover]

Marauders are not demons, and Sentinels are humans.

[reef lodge]

Don't forget Zombiemen

[feral plover]

Zombiemen at least are technically demons, as they have been corrupted by Hell.

But Marauders only work with Hell as essentially Maykr contractors.

[round palm]

Marauders are obviously corrupted like the Deag

They have grey skin, red eyes, and horns

[feral plover]

They are corrupted, just not by Hell.

The Marauders were revived by the Divinity Machine. It's Maykr tech.

[round palm]

Maykrs use Hell energy

[feral plover]

The Divinity Machine is powered by a shard of Davoth, or at least it was before it was used on the Slayer, but the Maykrs have their own energy stuff. You could argue the connection to Davoth helped to warp the Marauders' appearances, but I contend that functionally they seem to just be resurrected humans who look sick as fuck.

[smoky iron]

aren’t marauders just sentinels that are corrupted?

[round palm]

Yes

[round palm]

I think your depiction of furries is weirder than furries themselves, but OK

As long as it’s not in bad faith

[proud portal]

Change the topic

[proud portal]

drop it

[glad hamlet]

Cyberpunk Doom please, I need Auger Zenith but official

Please Hugo I need this, my Doom is kinda medieval

[wind rose]

cyberpunk doom? what would that look like even 👀

[robust ice]

@feral plover what’s wrong with furries?

You a chaser?

[wind rose]

wait wait wrong demographic lmfao. can confirm 😂 😂 🤣

im in tears lmfao

[glad hamlet]

Look up Auger Zenith Doom II

[robust ice]

Sure doesn’t seem that way

[wind rose]

that is 10000% a problem my dude

[glad hamlet]

Wait, I have a question about it if I’m allowed

[robust ice]

Why are biped demons furries? Not everything with two legs that isn’t human is a furry

You’re obsessed

[wind rose]

my dude...

[robust ice]

https://tenor.com/view/community-ken-jeong-ben-chang-ill-allow-it-allowed-gif-4468552

[muted bridge]

Have you played doom zero

[wind rose]

does it run in uz?

[glad hamlet]

It was my first wad ever

[muted bridge]

Perchance

[wheat whale]

What drama is there now

[muted bridge]

Bro you're so peak

Imagine fighting the witch in modern Doom, the big green one

[glad hamlet]

Ok, my question is is the whole world furries? Like even the mc? Or is it a regular dude killing furries?

[wind rose]

that is v importante question

[wheat whale]

Speaking of i dunno if the dark age's cyberdemon is a reference to the vassago

Its not just me right

[robust ice]

Go make your ideal total conversion mod so and we will review it for you

[muted bridge]

I don't think so since dark ages was developed before LoR

[robust ice]

Can you imagine for a moment

[wind rose]

btw thankies this reminds me of ion fury like heck. i dig it!!!!

[glad hamlet]

Yes btw

[glad hamlet]

Sick, I’m a huge fan of Auger Zenith

[robust ice]

If you replaced furries with the phrase “trans” or “black people”.
How bigoted you sound

[wind rose]

don't even gotta replace it, it just is bigoted

[robust ice]

Let him cook

[glad hamlet]

Ok, lemme solve this very easily

[robust ice]

I’m getting there

[wind rose]

https://tenor.com/view/worry-katt-williams-dont-worry-ill-wait-ill-wait-waiting-gif-4753484

[muted bridge]

What

[wheat whale]

m I love my daily dose of barely subtle bigotry

[wind rose]

im sorry?

[glad hamlet]

Is the furry thing stylization or something else?

[muted bridge]

Who's getting shot

Is that a threat

[robust ice]

Do you not understand furries are just people trying to live their life in a social subset. And your ideal game is killing them?

[muted bridge]

Did I misread

[proud portal]

tf?

[wheat whale]

Is this potential self projection

[robust ice]

Let him cook LM

I got this

There’s no explaining

You’re a bigoted loser

[glad hamlet]

Ok I’m done playing devils advocate, this guy hits the “Lemme explain” and then digs the hole deeper 😭

[wheat whale]

My man is digging a hole to tartarus

[glad hamlet]

I’m giving you one more chance before I dip from this channel and talk somewhere else

[robust ice]

If you said “but they’re just demons” again imagine if they were trans demons or black demons

[muted bridge]

See why did you have to include furries

[robust ice]

If you can’t see furries as people we have a problem

[muted bridge]

They could've just been demons

[glad hamlet]

You’re doing edgy satire?

[muted bridge]

Why did you have to specify

[robust ice]

It’s humouring to kill minorities?

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, you found the bad line with this typa thing

[muted bridge]

"No hate or anything but I'm gonna make a game abt killing a demographic of people"

[glad hamlet]

Like you can do a furry Doom game but it has to be furry Doom not just killing furries 😭

[muted bridge]

Not all ideas need to be realized

[glad hamlet]

Can we change topic please? I wanna talk cyberpunk Doom

[wind rose]

cyberpunk doom is rockin tbh

[robust ice]

Alright I need to get on with my day

Banned that fool

[glad hamlet]

Right? Imagine Neon armored Slayer

[wind rose]

need

[glad hamlet]

The visual style of TDA could easily translate to futuristic

[wind rose]

i can see it! imagine.....they pick up from TAG in a neon futuristic hellscape

[wheat whale]

You know what would be cool

My sleep deprived brain thought up of armored core

[wind rose]

i mean we already got mechs in TDA...

[glad hamlet]

Doom: City Slayer

[muted bridge]

Can we fight godzilla

Please

[wheat whale]

We fought cthulhu why not godzilla

[muted bridge]

I beg

[glad hamlet]

After 500 years of rest, Earth once again needs the help of the Slayer. A neon paradise turned Hell and only one man can stand to fight them all.

[wheat whale]

Oh wait we have to fight legally distinct godzilla

[muted bridge]

Komodo but beeg

[wheat whale]

I hope we fight more titans in the dlc

[muted bridge]

As the slayer

On ground level

[wheat whale]

You get it

Parry a mace the size of a building

[muted bridge]

That would be so cool

I need it.

[wind rose]

AoT slayer?

IMAGINE WE ALREADY GOT A MEATHOOK BOIS

[muted bridge]

Boi I already made concept art abt that

Lemme show you

[wind rose]

VEGA big madge

[wheat whale]

Wuh oh

[muted bridge]

God damnit this is always so annoying

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1445147673031213056/2025060816202083.png?ex=692f4a26&is=692df8a6&hm=02d7c5ebf70d8ecd3ae2959bf83f7e8cdfefd3e38a0d5bae306f655c8219c4b4&

[wheat whale]

Yk I hope they add a grappling hook or sorts to the dlc

Would be fun grappling to a revenant and blasting his face

[wind rose]

i just wanna grapple on to his rockets 😂 body slam the boner!

[glad hamlet]

Thats how ya make an innie

[muted bridge]

I actually had more concept art but vega timed me out for an hour

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1445147673664688232/2025060816524119.jpg?ex=692f4a26&is=692df8a6&hm=70ed134f2552c04351f948c3e465c0cf4a4653b6c2fe66e12c159d85424e3331&

You meathook onto the weakpoint on the nape

[wind rose]

oh damn i was wondering. someone needs to make this a mod at least 😂 itd be cool as heck!!! and im sure at the very least classic doom could do it

wait...i think there might be a AoT mod. please hold

[muted bridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1445147674595561482/2025060818385636.jpg?ex=692f4a27&is=692df8a7&hm=88fd0e45e7e03f51087fbb955ac24749f39e9ab8dc35e61c49e4876ca10ecd49&

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1378369563384741920/1445147674142572696/2025060818250976.png?ex=692f4a27&is=692df8a7&hm=a60397a64865893ba73b7ed018176b9fc77ed29ac807e03043ea2c9e84f1a0bf&

Ye I would love to fight big humanoids

Meathook plus shield saw

[wind rose]

imagine the gibs from sticking the shield saw into the nape of its neck 🤤

just an absolute gyser

[muted bridge]

Oh my god it would be so awesome with doom destruction physics

It needs to happen it just needs to

[wind rose]

nvm 🙁 i found an old post with a slight bit of AoT gear as a classic mod, but nothing fully fleshed out

[muted bridge]

Only time will tell

(Hugo hire me pls)

[wind rose]

can vouch. has good ideas

[glad hamlet]

I can put this image in Doom

Classic Doom specifically, it’d be very creepy

[wind rose]

side note, that pk3 u told me to check out is peak. can't believe i missed it in the cacowards that year

[glad hamlet]

Auger?

[wind rose]

yeth. i've been playing it since 🤣

[glad hamlet]

Its peak

[round palm]

Calling a skeleton a boner sounds like a slur

[lean rock]

They should make life sized models of the weapons in DOOM, kinda like the helmets and keycards, it'd be so cool

[errant depot]

I don't think they'll be able to do that, I don't remember exactly but there's some legal issues with doing weapons I'm pretty sure

[lean rock]

Awe man, I really wanted a lifesized BFG lol

[glad hamlet]

I mean, I dunno if the issues would apply with modern Doom weapons but some classic ones are just scanned in pictures of existing toys

[muted bridge]

I'm curious to see how you do it

No

No need

[north crescent]

HMMMMMMM I WONDER IF I SHOULD TRUST THIS GENERICLY NAMED DISCORD ACCOUNT

HMMMMMMMM

@proud portal kill this person, maybe.

[proud portal]

huh

[north crescent]

I'm like 99% sure they're a scammer.

I can just tell by the username and about me.

[proud portal]

Well first off, let's not joke about killing anyone. And let's see first if they are legit

What do you mean by this?

[north crescent]

My first suspicion comes from them friending someone immediately upon joining.

(This is from the person they sent the request to.)

[proud portal]

Ah I see. Yes

👍

good eye, thanks

[craggy mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gone-reduced-to-atoms-end-game-infinity-war-gif-15573921

[north crescent]

[tulip scaffold]

I was thinking if we get a return to form doom game, without the slayer but regular gi joe folk, it'd be cool to have a lives system.

And you have to go find captured soldiers and rescue them to gain an extra life. And the ability to play the campaign as that person.

And whenever you die, that character is dead and the rest of the team has to pick up the slack.

[foggy seal]

this sounds like a complicated version of Bionicle Heroes

[tulip scaffold]

inspired by Aliens Infestation, but og Wolfenstein and TDA but have an extra lives system.

[hoary pawn]

Something tells me Dark Ages didn't have a revived Mother Demon as a boss

I think it would have since Doom 4 had the Spider Mastermind

And Eternal had Baphomet the Icon of Sin

So I thought Dark Ages would have the Mother demon

[muted bridge]

I don't think they were intentional abt that,the first two modern games happened to have their final bosses coincide with the first two classic games and their bosses

[reef lodge]

I don't think that was really a coincidence

[muted bridge]

Well if it wasn't then they'd have the mother demon in dark ages but they went a different direction. Or maybe they were intentional abt it then they switched gears and decided to be a bit more original

[reef lodge]

TDA continuing or not continuing the trend doesn't mean anything about 2016 and Eternal doing it though. I think something like this is too big to do on accident

[north crescent]

FINAL DOOM but the "FINAL" actually makes sense.

[craggy mirage]

there is no final doom because a doom game is inevitable solely because of money

[north crescent]

Fine, DOOM On Ice.

[round palm]

Place your bets, do we think the TDA DLC will have some version of At Doom’s Gate playing over the title card?

Or anywhere in the soundtrack?

[muted bridge]

Not for the title card no

But it may, may happen in the soundtrack

It technically already happened if you count the slayers theme

The progression is the same as the iconic riff from E1m1

[round palm]

I don’t really hear it actually

[muted bridge]

Ye bc it's structured differently

I recommend you watch thedinosaurheretics vid on it

[round palm]

So then it’s not really the same theme, just an easter egg

[muted bridge]

Ok ye basically

[round palm]

I think I might’ve seen it, but still didn’t recognize the sound

I recognize the theme in Davoth’s boss music

[muted bridge]

@late merlin if you may, you can explain it better then I can

[late merlin]

I’ve changed my mind on the Slayer’s motif in TDA. It’s conclusively NOT a variation on E1M1, primarily because it doesn’t follow the exact same progression, although it is similar

[muted bridge]

Damn it

[muted bridge]

@round palm nvm

Alr well now it's on the table

[hushed solstice]

something i would love to see in the future is a game that covers the events directly after doom 64

doomguy traversing the fields of hell and trying to survive it, maybe up until he is found by the sentinels

or potentially he hears about the sentinels and spends a good chunk of the story trying to reach them, then he gets found after the final boss fight and that's why they say he is badly wounded when they find him in the sentinel prime flashbacks

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, I’m sure that’ll happen eventually. But if you’re looking for something with it right now and you like classic Doom just play the After Doom wad

Its a Doom II wad that covers the in-betweens of each Doom episode, what happened after Doom II and then after Doom 64

[foggy seal]

After Doom is really cool, some of the best visuals i have seen in classic Doom and has atmosphere inspired by PSX and 64

[lavish reef]

Yes please

A new doom with marine doomguy would be sick

[tulip scaffold]

Hugo was talking about like a Doom ODST game. Would be a cool way to bring in non-slayer characters, and also opening up the possibility of death.
Cod 4 MW comes to mind, where you play as 3 different characters and one of them dies in a nuke.

Og Doom's always felt like you were playing as different characters. That the player was seeing thru the eyes of a marine, not the marine.

I'm not even sure if there is a story beat that confirms doom2 marine is the same as doom1 marine

I'd love to have an episode where you escape some martian base in a lifepod, headed to a uac spaceship.

And then the next episode is another character opening up the lifepod and there is a zombie inside 😁

It'd be a good way to differentiate the survival horror / action horror gameplay that doom so fantastically throttles between the lines

[glad hamlet]

I never got the idea of playing as different marines until Doom 64 but that clears it up with its first intermission screen with the iconic AAA Uac poison line

Cause Doom 2 takes place right after the first one with you returning to Earth only to find it invaded too

Plus Thy Flesh Consumes ending text screen literally says you return home to find demons have overrun the nation

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969815259256873040/1447931401877061732/IMG_2643.png?ex=69396ab3&is=69381933&hm=9632c947fe6ca5ec44714538e65202dca8dac06bcd92653ee139ea3f9c3e3346&

[tulip scaffold]

yeah i think e4 is supposed to happen in texas

it probably made more sense at the time, but coming to classic doom 10 years ago the details are a little fuzzy

[feral plover]

At the very least it's on Earth, yeah.
I always took it to be Doomguy blindly killing everything he comes across like an idiot in rage, and while he's doing that the actual army is taking over Earth.

[glad hamlet]

E4 would definitely be explained best if it happened in Texas with the amount of hitscan it uses

[feral plover]

Plutonia must take place in the most awful parts of the Bible Belt then, judging by the chaingunners.

[glad hamlet]

Seattle

Actually no, TNT is Seattle and Plutonia is North Carolina

Because both Seattle and TNT are fucking miserable and boring

[tulip scaffold]

north carolina : here, everyone is friendly ™

[glad hamlet]

There is just something about NC that screams secret satan

I think the games where you don’t player Doom Marine would be RPG and Doom 3

Because I think Doom 3 and Rpg 1&2 are the same universe

[tulip scaffold]

its kinda funny how the only noncannon games are doom 1 & 2

[glad hamlet]

Doom 1 and 2 as in Ult Doom and Hell On Earth?

Cause those are more than definitely canon I’m pretty sure

The Slayerline is 1993-Eternal excluding Doom 3 and rpg 1&2

The canocity of shit like Sigil and Rust are to be debated

[tulip scaffold]

3 is surely a prequel to 2016. and the dark ages has already re-written the og games.

[glad hamlet]

@feral plover Hate to ping ya but can you clear this up mr lore master?

[feral plover]

The Dark Ages is a sequel to Doom 64. The classic games are still canon.

Doom 3 I would argue is not a prequel to Doom 2016, but set in its own universe. The Hell/Mars lore connects to the other games, but the UAC's timeline contradicts Doom 2016's a lot and makes a shared timeline between both depictions of the UAC unlikely.

[glad hamlet]

I subscribe to the idea that the multiverse is real in Doom and that each universe has its own Hell that are slowly overlapping to make Super Hell

Or all universes share one big Hell which explains Slayer finding the Soulcube. Or there could be multiple but thats lame

[feral plover]

This is the one that is most likely.

[tulip scaffold]

i cant conclude how you are on ancient mars in tda and then are excavating the ruins in eternal. taht my only hiccup. dates i assume are just sorta haphazard.

[feral plover]

The games tend to have shared continuity regarding Hell itself but contradictory UAC timelines.

The Doom multiverse is like a flower. The middle is Hell. Each petal is an Earthly Realm.

Doomguy starts out in the classic Earthly Realm and ends up in the modern Earthly Realm in Doom 2016. But it's always the same Hell.

[glad hamlet]

All Doom universes take place in giant pieces of ash like Dr Seuss worlds

[feral plover]

What do you mean? The Dark Ages is millions of years before Doom Eternal.

[glad hamlet]

I thought it was eons before?

I don’t know why I’d question that, I know jack and shit about the lore 😭

[tulip scaffold]

in the first age...

[glad hamlet]

I admittedly didn’t read any of the codexs past like the first 5 in Eternal

[tulip scaffold]

story and lore has always been a bit meta and probably not airtight

i was watching a video about halflife 2 is a reboot of the series, which was pretty convincing

[glad hamlet]

Doom lore is backseated hard so its pretty hard to follow before 2016

[feral plover]

It's subjective. Hell time is different from Earthly time. From an objective Earthly perspective, The Dark Ages happens 60 million years or so before Eternal. From a Hell perspective it's eons.

[glad hamlet]

Gotcha gotcha

[feral plover]

From Hell's POV the classic games and The Dark Ages is in the First Age, while 2016 is in the Fourth.

[tulip scaffold]

i hope we get dinosaurs

[glad hamlet]

I mean the big lizard is dino-esk in TDA

I would rather steam punk Doom

Steam punk dinosaur Doom?

Doom has quite a bit to work with in terms of theming

[tulip scaffold]

i do really like the scifi settings

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, my favorite idea is cyberpunk Doom

Theres a Doom wad called Auger Zenith and it rocks

[alpine goblet]

What if it’s a different universe in every console

[rotund python]

All that has to appear in a DOOM game is the demons, and a person to fight said demons

Doesn’t even have to be Doomguy

Look at DOOM3 or the RPGs

[reef lodge]

And the movie can have monsters and still be peak 😌

[ancient perch]

i know im probably like the one person who care's about this but i do hope in the new dlc for dark ages that we finally get more of a sett up for Marok and Valens plot line

[craggy mirage]

good news for you

marok is said to have a bigger role in the story

[ancient perch]

my god i hope so 😭

[muted bridge]

Very good news for you

[craggy mirage]

its confirmed so 👍

[ancient perch]

lokey not even funny how little screen time he got in the main game

also i need more references of him

[glad plank]

I’d love a doom game like Halo OTSD, when you play on the phobos base before the invasion with Doomguy in your squad

with it ending with the squad dying and seeing Doomguy ripping and tearing through the portal to hell

Idk it would be cool to get such a origin story

[craggy mirage]

i was just on call with some of my friends and an idea came up that was really badass

a cyberpunk aesthetic themed doom game

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1256712479510233133/1449967133151858768/image0.jpg?ex=6940d29f&is=693f811f&hm=b670e9ebb7ba543436d113b6951ff02231c8f284e120324c47b0194b2d786caf&

more designs like these

[glad hamlet]

Cyb Doom would be baller

I’ve been raving on about it forever now. Post Eternal needs to be sciencey I swear

[round palm]

I would have loved if you could use the Eternal demon skins for enemies in the campaign missions

[merry fable]

How many more doom games yall think gnna be released b4 the saga ends

[craggy mirage]

0, because it already has

the doom slayer’s saga is over with ancient gods 2; now we wait for the next ‘saga’

doomguy will always be who we play as in the mainline games so whatever’s next in his story is the next saga

likely taking down samur in this case

[dapper sundial]

Slayer's saga is over already with tag 2. With TDA and its subsequent sequel, we are and will be discovering more of the saga that came before the one started in D'16

[dapper sundial]

Yeah currently only Samur's saga is the one that is left for completion

[craggy mirage]

and im very excited to see it

[dapper sundial]

Same here as well soap

[craggy mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-eternal-doom-doom2016-doom-slayer-seraphim-gif-19831517

[dapper sundial]

Me when the big glowing ball of celestial power holding my boss's soul explodes on my face:

[craggy mirage]

this happens a lot

[dapper sundial]

Gotta agree with you man

[merry fable]

Nah, I think there should be some more games taking place after TAG2, which will take place in the Cosmic Realm mostly, since that is yet to be elaborated on, and prequels might not cover enough

[dapper sundial]

Well what is meant by my statement is that the Slayer's saga that started in the beginning of D'16 ended in tag2. There are way more sagas out there, both that happened before D'16 and the ones that are ought to happen after tag2

[merry fable]

Yea, but, js saying, the Slayer's saga might continue a bit more

And will mostly now take place in the Cosmic Realm

[dapper sundial]

Nope not like that. A new saga will begin with the beginning of Eternal's sequel

[merry fable]

Oh

W pfp btw

[dapper sundial]

Also Cosmic Realm could be a part of the conflict, not the main focus since they aren't exactly the ones that directly screwed humanity and all

[dapper sundial]

Thanks e3o I made it myself

[merry fable]

Nice

[dapper sundial]

Dang I gotta draw

[merry fable]

Well, how's my pfp

Didn't rlly draw btw

[dapper sundial]

How can I say anything other than Hell Yeah when it's a flipping Doom pfp

[merry fable]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-classic-doom-doom-1993-thug-shaker-gif-14664996525361957070

[dapper sundial]

Mythical gif of this community

[merry fable]

Fr

Doom: a game about Cosmic reality and eternal war
Its community: VEGA, make Doomguy shake it

[dapper sundial]

Yeah shake it in Hell

[merry fable]

Frfr

[hazy solstice]

A spinoff of the classic era where you play as either Phobos or Crash on the UAC Mars base during the invasion.. And, I dunno, you try to keep your team alive and find that one guy that got lost (guess which one?). You keep chasing him, and he keeps sliding just in the nick of time. You keep missing on him. Your teammates argue if you should leave him behind. And eventually they all die one by one, because you made a decision to go after that one lost guy cuz "semper fi!", and the game is absolute tragedy. Ends up with you finding him, finally... a moment too late cuz the level's name is E1M8. BAM and then the title is at the end DOOM, as if we didn't already figured it out. I'd totally play that. Add an optional player two and I'd bring another one for the sacrifice to the table!

[glad hamlet]

Doom horror extraction

Like GTFO but Doom

[round palm]

Horror game where you play as a Hell razer trying to escape the Slayer

[hazy solstice]

Like Alien: Isolation, but you are a demon and Slayer is in the role of the Xenomorph. And you name the game HellRazer: The Doom haha.

[glad hamlet]

Theres an Alien game where you play as the Alien

Its an fps too, Civvie 11 played it

[round palm]

I say Hell razer because they’re always running away in game

[hazy solstice]

Figured thats why i loved that.

[solar pelican]

is there a confirmed release date for doom the dark ages for switch 2

[errant depot]

No

[magic ocean]

[round palm]

I feel like we could get a second weapon of the Reaver category in the DLC, because we only have the chainshot but they gave us the name reaver

[open viper]

I hope they bring the Ballista back in the DLC

[urban heath]

That's one of the things I'm hoping for lol

[agile portal]

I hope they actually have a sword in the dark ages dlc
Like a full on royal guards claymore for instance if you play legend of zelda

[wheat marten]

or an axe, ifw an axe so hard

[dapper sundial]

Axe... Interesting

There's a high chance of getting a battle axe

[glacial dove]

Oh man a sword and shield would be sick

Possibly the introduction of his crucible

[red spindle]

A remake of classic doom.. like classic doom but on iD Tech 8 or smth

[dapper sundial]

Interesting

[hazy solstice]

sacrilage! why would remake something that is not broken, functions perfectly and got so many updates recently? 😮
Besides it's like remaking history books. It's like putting you on a shelf and ask your parents to remake you but in new gen. Lol.

[wheat marten]

Because resident evil

[hazy solstice]

"old graphics" = must remake
meanwhile games are competing who will make a better retro looking retro game.

[dapper sundial]

Classics don't need to be remade. It'll, in one way or the other, take away the epicness of them and what makes them so perfect in the first place

[proud portal]

yeah not the best take tbh

[glad hamlet]

If you really want a remake of Doom 1 you have Doom 3

Its basically just a darker retelling of Doom 1 minus the Spider Mastermind

[tulip scaffold]

i absolutely adore what slipgate studios has done with the likes of graven & phantom fury
they used the level editor for og quake to build maps, and then exported them into UE4/5.
that is the sort of design ethos i think would worl really well with remaking the classic Doom games.
Of course, port the levels into new id tech, not UE though DF has stated that UE5 is finally coming along

[tulip scaffold]

knee deep in the machine

[opal totem]

what if doom 7 is a milsim

[hazy solstice]

sure why not? I want a cooking sim, tho

[chrome marsh]

Then we attack Bethesda

[hazy solstice]

With what?

[chrome marsh]

I don't know ask the UAC

[rotund python]

DOOM cooking sim where you make food out of demon parts

[hazy solstice]

That was the idea. And doomguy has a chef's har over his helmet lol. Smth stupid like that.

[glad hamlet]

Eternals sequel should be a Cyberpunk Doom where Doom Slayer uses fucking magic

Its perfect

[hazy solstice]

Eternal sequel is Quake, where Ranger braves the void to find the "Slayer Box" (tm)

[glad hamlet]

Better if it was Ranger, Duke Nukem, and the Chex Quest Warrior

[rough ibex]

More horror doom

Doom 3 is awesome

[chrome marsh]

Another Horror based doom game would be incredible, And an opportunity to go back to the original UAC base on mars.

[tulip scaffold]

yeah if we get kronos as final boss with time travel in some cyberpunk doomguy in time sequel...
id like the final fight to end with kronos sending player back in time (and hence restarting campaign) unless the player 100%s the game
and like disjointed narrative bits, maybe with a few random sequences too.
like a character tells you where to get the rocket launcher... and when you get there its a chaingun.
but then like 2 levels later, another character tells you where to get the chaingun. and you start to notice things are not as they seem.

[novel wing]

agree, for once we need a game where you dont play as the slayer and just a dude trying to survive

[reef lodge]

DOOM 1 and 3 sorta serve that role

[round palm]

Why though? That’s like every other generic game out there, it would omit what makes DOOM special

Sure a future game could have you play as a different character, but they still need to be powerful

[reef lodge]

I'm up for it honestly it'd be cool to get some variety in

[round palm]

They kind of have to have another character based on the way they ended the Slayer’s story if they make more DOOM games

[hazy solstice]

that's called classic doom lol. does 3 count as classic btw?

[visual pollen]

Quake (2016)

[hazy solstice]

I still think Doom cooking sim would do better than any of these and would be true to the lore, judging by the stuff found in our room in Eternal.

[reef lodge]

It's always "Quake should get the 2016 treatment" but never "Quake should get the TNO treatment" 😔 #justicefortno

[round palm]

Because that game is slow

[round palm]

Definitely

[reef lodge]

Okay

[round palm]

I was just watching a video of it earlier actually

[reef lodge]

Nothing of what I said relates whatsoever to that though!

[round palm]

The New Order?

[reef lodge]

Yes

[round palm]

I’m explaining why nobody wants the next Quake game to be like that

[reef lodge]

A lot of people do, but that doesn't matter, because by TNO treatment I was referring to getting a reboot :p

[round palm]

That’s the same as DOOM, what do you mean?

And it already did with Champions

[reef lodge]

Overexplaining a joke doesn't make it as funny so I'll let you figure it out yourself

[round palm]

Oh I thought you were being serious

[glad hamlet]

Nah, Slayer has more he can do. All they gotta do is wake him up again in the far future for the Eternal sequel that will definitely be a cyberpunk Doom

Slayer gets woken up by Duke Nukem, Chex Quest Warrior, and the Bounty Hunter from High On Life and they all work together to fight Hells Futuristic Monsters

[round palm]

Or he gets woken up by Ranger and Nyx or other Quake Champions characters

And the next game is about completely blowing up all of Hell

[novel wing]

take Doom 3 and amp up the horror, you're just a soldier trying to evacuate. Very limited ammo, demons are harder to kill etc.

[glad hamlet]

I dunno, I just don’t wanna mix Doom and Quake

Small overlap is cool but I don’t want direct shit

[round palm]

That just sounds like a different game, not like DOOM

There’s a reason ID diverged from Doom 3, and we’re never going back, at least I hope

[round palm]

I don’t know, there are a lot more active Doom 3 fans in this server than I expected

I think ID Software learned from their mistakes with Doom 3 and won’t regress back to that with future games and ruin the franchise

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, outside of some mid guns Doom 3 is amazing

[round palm]

Maybe mistakes isn’t the right term, but just they learned to make DOOM better

Well I think DOOM is more financially and critically successful than Doom 3

[glad hamlet]

Didn’t Doom Rpg come out after 3? Y’know, the worst Doom games

[round palm]

I have no idea, is there a turn based DOOM RPG game?

[glad hamlet]

Doom and Doom II RPG are games in the franchise

[round palm]

I’m a fan of the reboots only

[glad hamlet]

That explains it

[round palm]

I became a DOOM fan in 2018 and now I’m a huge fan

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, you just didn’t have the luxury of playing the classics before modern gaming (From what I assume)

[round palm]

I’ve heard people say Doom RPG but I’ve never seen anything of it

[glad hamlet]

Doom changes basically every 3 games

With exception of Doom 3

Since it was their 3d experimental game

[round palm]

I think we need to see where the TDA DLC takes us first before making any predictions for the next entire DOOM game, if they even make one

Hell no

[glad hamlet]

Unless you wanna do the Doom changes every 2 games, Doom 1 and 2 are forward revolutionary fps games, Doom 64 and 3 are horror, Doom rpg 1&2 are shitty, Doom 2016 and Eternal are fast paced power plays, and Dark Ages is a more modern back to formula title

[round palm]

64 is horror? I thought it was very similar to the originals

[glad hamlet]

Its more akin to horror

It takes Doom and makes it creepier

[round palm]

I also expected it to have more 3D graphics like Quake when I first heard of it, since most games with 64 in the title are 3D like that

[glad hamlet]

Nope, just a 64 title

The N64 was not the way to go for them since it fucked up their ability to add shit with the cartridges limited space

[round palm]

But I digress, this is the future channel after all not the past

[glad hamlet]

It all comes back to the future

[round palm]

Maybe we should move to general chat

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, talking about the classics is just moving the conversation forward. When LM yells at us thats when we stop

[round palm]

I don’t want the mods to beat me

[glad hamlet]

Anyways, I think the next Doom game will be more 64-esk with the way Dark Ages moved back into dark fantasy

[round palm]

No I’m just messing

[glad hamlet]

Not really, majority of the mods are chill

The other non-majority I haven’t interacted with

[round palm]

I’m a junior in college, so the new DOOM franchise was for me

I was far too young to play the originals

[glad hamlet]

I was 4 when I started Doom

[round palm]

But back to the topic of horror DOOM, it would be funny to get a side horror game where you are a hell razer running from the Slayer though

[glad hamlet]

Honestly a horror Doom could work again with the intro of the cosmic realm

I’m a huge fan of eldritch horror so it’d be amazing to see them lean towards that

[round palm]

I think main DOOM should just stay horror adjacent, stuff like the one possessed jumpscare in the first game, and the occasional cosmic horror puzzles of The Dark Ages

[glad hamlet]

Mainline Doom sure

Id could easily do a spinoff game

[round palm]

Like Mighty DOOM

[glad hamlet]

Theres a difference between mobile and spinoff

I’m talking like how Resident Evil has its main games and then shit like Revelations

Or Yakuza with Pirates and Gaiden

A spin off connected to the main game directly but features a new character

Or reboot Heretic and Hexen

Hexen could easily be horror fantasy

[round palm]

No it’s called DOOM, it’s a reboot

[glad hamlet]

I call it Doom 2016

Just like I call the God Of War reboot GOW 2018

And Doom 1 is either 1993 or Ultimate Doom

[round palm]

I think we should collectively just consider the original Dooms as relics of the past, games that are fun to look back on to see gaming history, but they don’t really hold up today

[muted bridge]

Nuh uh there's no such thing, I played Doom when I was 4 and I'm younger then you are

Never too young for doom boi

[wheat marten]

https://tenor.com/view/we-breaking-bad-walter-white-gif-14928204287258878513

[glad hamlet]

Actually the worst take of all time

Doom 1 is actively the best Doom game

[muted bridge]

Weird take when ppl actively make dozens of mods each day

And have been for 30 years

[wheat marten]

And it's still fun

[glad hamlet]

Yeah, modern Doom is great but it just doesn’t have the same feelings

[muted bridge]

Hugo literally looks at classic doom as his muse for any doom game

[round palm]

It’s great to look at the sprites and see what modern DOOM was based on, but I’m tired of the confusion of names and people tying down the modern DOOM franchise with those games

[glad hamlet]

Especially in the level design

[wheat marten]

It has its own feelings, nether better nor worse

[round palm]

Like keep them separate is all

[glad hamlet]

Indeed. Each Doom game is very unique

[wheat marten]

Well I mean it is. The games are all connected lol

[muted bridge]

Wdym by tying down

[round palm]

I have a DOOM mug, Ultra Nightmare banner on my wall, multiple DOOM shirts, and I preordered both Eternal and The Dark Ages

[glad hamlet]

Ok?

[muted bridge]

Now be Hugo's barber

[glad hamlet]

Could ya go more in on your point

[muted bridge]

And you're the #1 doom fan

Shrimple as that

[round palm]

I didn’t say that they’re bad, they were revolutionary games for their time

[wheat marten]

(and still are)

[glad hamlet]

I just want ya to go more in on the point

[muted bridge]

Infact, when the director plays it everyday

As inspiration for the projects he works on

[round palm]

My point is that the new games are reboots and they should be considered that

[muted bridge]

Er ok

[wheat marten]

But they're not

[muted bridge]

They're soft reboots ig

[round palm]

If you try and say that the old games are canon it makes the lore nonsensical and too complicated

[glad hamlet]

Doom 2016 is a soft reboot sure, but TDA an Eternal are just raw continuations

[wheat marten]

It's nonsensical even without the classic connection

[muted bridge]

But they are officially canon brocaco

Since Eternal

[round palm]

They are in universe games loosely based on real events surrounding the Slayer, that’s why you can play it on the PC in the Fortress of DOOM

[wheat marten]

I mean yes but also no

[muted bridge]

No, he was doomguy once

[glad hamlet]

They are shown to be canon with shit like the Icon Of Sin in 2016, the classic Marine shit in Eternals champion fight cutscene, and the Soulcube in the Eternal hub

[wheat marten]

Because they're canon

[muted bridge]

This is fact dude😭

This is not up for debate

[rotund python]

I'd say m0no explained it pretty well if you wanna read his doc

[round palm]

Well DOOM lore is really complicated and kind of up for debate

[muted bridge]

Not if it's in your face

[wheat marten]

The shotgun in TDA is said to be from Doomguy's homeworld

[glad hamlet]

True, Mono is the goat

Whats up for debate for the canon are the expansions for Doom 1 and 2

[wheat marten]

That's a pretty explicit connection if you ask me. Combined with the flashbacks, the bunny cage in the Fortress

[muted bridge]

That is up for debate yeah

They're prob a seperate timeline

[glad hamlet]

We have no idea if Final Doom or Legacy even happened

[wheat marten]

I think the only one that is to me is No Rest for the Living

[muted bridge]

A diverging path

[glad hamlet]

Also, Wolfenstein 3d being canon to Doom is also debatable

Like heavily so

[muted bridge]

No idea abt that

[round palm]

I think that RAGE is canon because of the moon

[muted bridge]

Not that connected to those games

[wheat marten]

Different IP

[muted bridge]

Ik

[round palm]

So is Wolfenstein, there can still be crossovers

[muted bridge]

I just haven't played

Nvm it wasn't to me

[wheat marten]

I mean I guess I do like the think the Cosmic Realm is the Quake realm soooo

Whos to say

[round palm]

So is the Doom 3 soul cube thing

[muted bridge]

No, no I don't think so

[round palm]

I think it’s OK to have your own version of DOOM canon because it’s pretty unclear and subjective

[rotund python]

Yeah Wolfenstein 3D and Spear of Destiny is plausible

[round palm]

There are contradictions and codexes by unreliable narrators

[wheat marten]

That's fair. But also don't make others have to adhere to that

[glad hamlet]

Its very clear Doom 1, 2, and 64 are all canon while Doom 3 and RPG 1&2 are alt universes

[rotund python]

Wait what

ohhhh lmao

[muted bridge]

"Shotgun from his home world"
" his classic suit on"
"Codex entry states he was found by his own and clearly foreign"
Can it be any more obvious that the events from the classic games happened

[round palm]

You don’t even have the tag, why do you care?

[muted bridge]

They are canon, period

[rotund python]

Also DOOM64 lost levels

[glad hamlet]

Also, the dead fucking Icon Of Sin wall in 2016

[muted bridge]

They couldn't drive the point any further

[round palm]

Yes events similar to those games, but not exactly identical

[wheat marten]

I mean you can't get anymore obvious he LITERALLY has the classic armor on in Eternal's codex

[glad hamlet]

I still hope for a Cyberpunk Doom, it just makes sense to me

[muted bridge]

Wdym

[wheat marten]

Itd be better than medieval

[rotund python]

I think he's sayin they're canon in broad strokes

[muted bridge]

News flash, classic doom doesn't make sense within its own universe

[glad hamlet]

I view Doom 1&2 being playable in Eternal as just gameplay features rather than canon

[round palm]

But I could name every song, I’m probably one of the top 300 DOOM fans or something

[muted bridge]

At this point just rewrite the whole story id🥀 🥀

[wheat marten]

I'd be fine with that in all fairness

[glad hamlet]

Just clear it up with small rewrites

[round palm]

Like I said, I’m a fan of the modern DOOM, completely separate

[muted bridge]

Comprehensive edition for da lore nerds

[wheat marten]

Frfr

[rotund python]

ID please hire m0no as a writer

[muted bridge]

Fr

[round palm]

You can think what you want, but at the end of the day I’m the one with the DOOM tag on Discord

[glad hamlet]

Also to harkin back on the Doom 1&2 being playable in Eternal because I thought of a new point to coincide with it: they are like the classic levels in 2016, just there for gameplay not canon

[round palm]

Sure man, what ever you say

[muted bridge]

No sh*t

[wheat marten]

Also the Fortress literally has the 2016 soundtrack vinyl on the desk like its just goofy meta shit

[muted bridge]

No offense to you I'm just agreeing

[glad hamlet]

I know

[muted bridge]

It's just that obvious

[round palm]

These references are proof that those games aren’t canon to me

[muted bridge]

Writers at id just like to play around

[glad hamlet]

Sometimes even the obvious can be missed by some

[muted bridge]

Unfortunate

[glad hamlet]

Case and point

[round palm]

The Slayer likes playing Doom from 1994, a retelling of his own personal experience

[muted bridge]

Well you could say the classic games are a bit abstract

[glad hamlet]

The classic games just accounted for being fun, not caring about the lore

[muted bridge]

But like they're so vague and simple like what would you rewrite, it's good as it is

[wheat marten]

Dude there's literally a magazine in there labelled "the Slayer owes the demon community an apology" like that whole room is nonsense meta stuff lol

[muted bridge]

They're simple to their core

[round palm]

I think that’s evidence that throughout the games the Slayer is listening to DOOM soundtracks in his helmet

[muted bridge]

Man idc if he listens to beethoven get to killing

[glad hamlet]

Nah, he was listening to a metal mix Spotify playlist

[round palm]

The Slayer probably composed them himself based on his guitars and computer

[rotund python]

he listens to bass boosted max volume barbie girl on remix

[wheat marten]

You know what. Canon

[muted bridge]

So peak

[glad hamlet]

Maybe his daylist then, I don’t listen to metal mixes on Spotify so idrk

[round palm]

No one expected Hell to be filled with record discs and toys, but…

[muted bridge]

Videogame is videogame

[wheat marten]

The fuck is this series

[round palm]

It’s greatness is what it is

Super serious but also not at all sometimes

[glad hamlet]

Doom is just badass

[rotund python]

I think my "what is DOOM even about" moment was when Doomguy hitchhiked a ride on cthulu to the comic realm

[muted bridge]

It's abt the vibes

[round palm]

Remember the Turkey Puncher arcade game in the UAC Mars base?

[wheat marten]

It's about a silly little guy on his silly little adventures across time and space

[muted bridge]

Boi

[wheat marten]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-gif-523038869044733220

[real zealot]

doom eternal 2

[rotund python]

"John Doom is a man stricken with irrationally sever autism, who does not consider how his actions affect people. In his quest to save mankind, he kills God, God God, and Satan God God".

[round palm]

It’s about avenging the most important things in the world, our pets

[muted bridge]

Ye the bunny

[wheat marten]

It's about family, because his whole family died

[rotund python]

And Serrat

[muted bridge]

Hot take but i d g a f abt daisy

Sorry, sorry

[round palm]

Damn you are soulless

[muted bridge]

Same with that dragon

[wheat marten]

Daisy's more symbolic of innocence being slaughtered for no reason, and that's what fuels Doomguy

[round palm]

You have no empathy

[muted bridge]

[rotund python]

Betraying the average DOOM player stereotype

[muted bridge]

I like that

[muted bridge]

Seasoned vet here

[glacial dove]

Some forget he was also a solider, family gone neighbors gone country gone humanity gone.

[round palm]

Also he cares about Daisy extremely

Because the Slayer isn’t some heartless wretch, he cares about animals and I love it

[rotund python]

There's also the idea that Daisy was his kid's pet. Y'know, the one in the photo under his desk?

[muted bridge]

Oh Ik

But idgaf still

[round palm]

I IDKFA

[wheat marten]

Of course. I think about it more than Daisy if I'm honest

[rotund python]

I mean it could be both of them

That'd be a pretty solid metaphor for innocence lost if you ask me

[round palm]

The DOOM Marine’s wife and son are just possible things he might’ve had and lost, it’s uncertain. Having Daisy be the main thing makes the story unique, I mean how many times have you seen main characters that have lost their family?

[wheat marten]

I think it's Daisy, his family, his buddies on Phobos, the Sentinels who fell in battle. Basically anyone who's close to him or anyone who fought along side him. That's what pushes him forward

[muted bridge]

Idk I can't name more then 10 rn

And a bunny ain't making me sad, especially when it was written as a joke

Now it ain't a joke so much ig

[wheat marten]

Oh and the dragon but I forget he exists a lot sorry

[muted bridge]

Ik it means a lot to doomguy but idc

[round palm]

It’s kind of funny to think about how many demons he has killed from that motivation, but it’s also a tragic backstory that the Slayer takes seriously

[rotund python]

Odd that we've never gotten anything on his friends on Phobos. We know a ton of the Sentinels, and we've got a photo of his family. But nothing of his space marine buddies.

[muted bridge]

Guys can I ragebait doomguy

I think I can

[wheat marten]

You just said "hey guys can I kill myself"

[round palm]

Rage is all the Slayer has left

[rotund python]

The demons have tried that a couple times and it didn't turn out so well

[muted bridge]

Nah he wouldn't dare

"Yo bro it's a bunny get over it"

[round palm]

It’s like looking at SCP 096

[muted bridge]

[wheat marten]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doom-goku-meme-prowler-gif-4719372935125368569

[rotund python]

You can ragebait him, but you'd best prepare for unforseen consequences

[muted bridge]

What's he gonna do, kill a human being

[rotund python]

Perchance

[muted bridge]

Yo, I ain't on the demon side bro bro

[round palm]

He’s done it before, kind of

[muted bridge]

But just saying, get over the bunny bro

All I'm saying bro

[rotund python]

He did put his commanding officer in a full-body cast or whatever

[wheat marten]

I mean he spent half of 2016 chasing a crippled old lady

[muted bridge]

Who was allied with hell

[round palm]

I was thinking more of Olivia Pierce and the Sentinel cultists

[muted bridge]

I'm allied with common sense, doomguy get over it

[round palm]

Not caring about the lives of animals is grounds for Hell collusion and treachery

[muted bridge]

Bunny ain't it bro

[rotund python]

Ragebaiting Doomguy is not "allied with common sense"

[wheat marten]

It's a rabbit actually 🤓

[round palm]

I’ve hated the term common sense my entire life

[muted bridge]

I was gonna say smt, but nah

[muted bridge]

Yes it is vro he gets more angry and goes boom boom doom slayer mode and kills all the demons faster

I'm like his mentor fr

[rotund python]

You may end up included in that casualty count though

[muted bridge]

I have done my job

[reef lodge]

What the heck happened here

EpicSquid I'm not here to dog on your takes because everyone is allowed to feel how they do but you have a problem with talking about your opinions like they are fact/the common consensus

That's my two cents, I'm out

[round palm]

I think someone got banned is what happened

[muted bridge]

That's ironic

[round palm]

Do you know what happened? I was asleep

[muted bridge]

I was asleep too

We don't need to harp on it tho, for the better

[round palm]

Oh I think I understand what happened

[hazy solstice]

Dont we all do that tho? Lots of headcanons sprawling here and there.

[reef lodge]

Opinions specifically, not headcanons. Stuff like whether media is good or bad

[hazy solstice]

Hmmm... I was about to start a ruckass but cba to read that much up. So I'll agree with whomever everyone agrees with. 😄

[hazy solstice]

Uh please no?

[rotund python]

I was joking. He does a great job at summing everything up but it’s obviously not gonna happen.

[hazy solstice]

That I can agree only partially on borth instances. Thats why i replied. 😄

[vast jasper]

I want a modern Doom Bible

[round palm]

The entire Corrax Tablets, released only in the original language of Jekkad

[rotund python]

Ah yes, ID software is going to release giant stone tablets as merch

[round palm]

Only 16 inches, not to scale just like all their statues and stuff

[untold cradle]

That sound sick actually! I'd buy that

[trim raven]

Need the dark lord / testament narrator from 2016 to accompany it on CD

[tulip scaffold]

Midi vinyl when?

[rotund python]

They’re gonna make a full sized one for the ID software office though

[round palm]

They should do that with the Helix Stone, would be awesome

Unless they already did and I’ve seen it before

[opal totem]

Doom 7 gotta be a mil sim

[split eagle]

Yeah

[mint plinth]

survival horror doom? not sure how i feel about it. Just watched the stream

Doomslayer too powerful, unless they do a pre-prequel during the classic era, which ill take

[craggy mirage]

i think a new protag would be better fit for survival horror

[rotund python]

Although the idea of Doomguy waking up out of his sarcophagus after The Ancient Gods, and now that he doesn’t have his powers, the roles are reversed on him seems like an interesting idea.

[mint plinth]

okay but that would be a spin off game if its a new protag

[craggy mirage]

still a doom game? doom vfr, rpg, 3, all of those have different protags. still a doom game

[craggy mirage]

well remove the powers and we’re back at classic doom where he’s running at mach fuck and killing everything in sight

[mint plinth]

rpg plays as a doom guy last i checked, you also play as the doom marine in 3.

any future mainline game playing as a weak soldier tyring to survive would just be a step back in direction. i just dont think there is enough interest in that

[rotund python]

Yeah, but that was also made in the 90’s with a much different tone. I feel like a modern DOOM game without the super powers would lean more into the horror like 3 did.

[mint plinth]

metroidvania style doom seems to be the next evolution of the engine and game design if i was a betting man

survival horror could work in that type of game, but once again this is the doomslayer

[rotund python]

Yeah idk

[mint plinth]

if they revisted the classic era, it might work. doomguy was just a man at one point

[crude sparrow]

Wonder if Doomguy with a whip that can change elements would be good

With flame as the default

[round palm]

I think a DOOM game with partially horror sections could work and is possible, but there’s no way in Hell they would make a full on horror game for it because that would go against everything they’ve build up DOOM to be at this point, and they know it would receive a ton of backlash

[reef lodge]

I was thinking something like DOOM 3

[round palm]

Making another one of those is a bigger risk than a Quake game

[reef lodge]

And no horror has been in DOOM's DNA from the start. It would not go against everything

[round palm]

DOOM is all about making you the thing the enemies fear, the reverse-horror nature is what makes it unique

[reef lodge]

2016 through TDA maybe

Not the franchise as a whole though. We had Doomguy go through PTSD

[round palm]

Exactly, and I think ID is going to keep on that trajectory

[reef lodge]

Meh I'm not entirely upset about that but I do want another scary one

[round palm]

And I’m saying you can have both

Give us a DOOM game with some spooky ambience and throw in a jumpscare now and then, doesn’t have to make it the main focus but could still be cool to include some horror vibes

[reef lodge]

So 2016

[round palm]

Kind of, but even more

Just because the main character is super powerful doesn’t mean the player can’t get a little startled

[reef lodge]

Well no I don't want that I want a big focus on horror like in D3

[round palm]

This I agree with

[reef lodge]

I mean, we never specified mainline. I was thinking a more side game vibe for this one

[round palm]

That would still take up time and resources from ID though

[reef lodge]

Well, yeah

And that entails...?

[round palm]

Unless it’s like Mighty DOOM, I don’t know if they really do stuff like that under the DOOM name

[reef lodge]

DOOM 3 has its fans

Throw the horror DOOM lovers a bone

[round palm]

Isn’t that mainline?

[reef lodge]

Yeah, it is

[glacial dove]

I mean nothing stops the game from being super fast paced and still have scary music
Esepcially with proper lighting
Go back to 2016 atmosphere but enhanced further
Greatly improve destructible demons so blood gibs and half destroyed deformed demons are running around at you.
Imp trying to swing a bloody dangling arm at you

[foggy seal]

the DLC about playing as a survivor in Eternal that never was ala Doom 4 died twice, they could explore it

[round palm]

So like Iron Lung soundtrack?

[glacial dove]

A hell on earth doom with up to 4 player co op option playing almost like a horde shooter as you see the world fall apart around you is still a spin off I wish for greatly

[round palm]

Sounds like you might enjoy Painkiller

[glacial dove]

Alien fireteam is kinda the vibe I have in mind but darker and more environmental destruction

Painkiller does look interesting but I’m limiting myself to the Like 10 ( help my wallet) games coming in the next like 3 months

[round palm]

I got it half off with a Steam key

And it was totally worth it, might be top 5 FPS game

[foggy seal]

potential for a single player campaign that evolves from cover shooter to something akin to Doom 2016 by the end of it as you get better gear

[round palm]

Definitely top 10

[reef lodge]

Same, not spending much on gaming rn cuz I just got the DuchesS and the Rayman remaster has my pre-order as soon as they go live

[glacial dove]

Definitley a good option

Say it starts as the soldier soldiers

Then you find the red armor of the soldiers from 2016 that are dead

But have the chips installed

[round palm]

Elite guards

[glacial dove]

Yeah

[round palm]

There’s actually an officially made SnapMap mission where you play as an Elite Guard

[glacial dove]

You get more enemies and improved reflexes to account for it. So faster reloading etc

[round palm]

Made by some of the developers

[tulip scaffold]

Linky?

[round palm]

I think it’s called Elite: Facilitator, but if I remember it shouldn’t be too hard to find ID Software in the SnapMap search menu and then look at the ones they created

[red spindle]

I really wish we had full mod support for quake and quake II

[desert bone]

Wdym? I’m pretty sure most mods already work with the nightdive versions of quake I and II

[chrome marsh]

And you can still go down to the OG version of the game as well

[reef lodge]

Not if you're on console. I think they might mean a mod browser

[chrome marsh]

The Quake 1 remaster had a list of mods you could install

Was that not on console?

[reef lodge]

It was, but mod browser, as in, what D+D2 brought to the table

[chrome marsh]

Yeah but that's still not the best

aren't some of those GZDOOM mods as well?

[reef lodge]

It is the best you'll get on console though, as misused as it is

[chrome marsh]

True

[tulip scaffold]

yeah i dunno if i am dumb but i dont see any mod support on steam

[chrome marsh]

Most mods are external, quake doesn't really have an in game browser

[tulip scaffold]

35 years id, 30 years quake, 15 years rage, 10 years 2016
dlc & 2 projects in the works from id software (not machine games or whoever)

i assume one project is dark ages 2. machine games is doing wolfenstein 3.
it would be cool if we learn more at quakecon.

[crude sparrow]

Isn't that nice

This channel stopped being dead

[nimble loom]

Thats cus the future is now

[crude sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/hamnet-2025-movie-film-chloe-zhao-gif-11335447026494975839

[terse mantle]

Doom gets another game

[tulip meadow]

Doom meets doom

[sharp jay]

We need to know what happened after 2016 with the doom slayer and Hayden

[proud portal]

#the-codex

[crude sparrow]

Good to see people keeping this channel alive

[chrome marsh]

The DLC will not be for Doom 2016

[fierce dock]

I vaguely remember on some stream Hugo saying that he didn't want to explore the gap after 2016 as a game but they might do it in some other way
I think someone might have suggested a comic
unfortunately I do not remember what stream this was... but I think it probably happened 🙂

even if not, maybe we can all pretend it did and trick them into making it for us 😄

[mossy knot]

He still intends to make a comic.

[serene trail]

i will make a doom mod

[craggy parrot]

I believe that was the 2nd Livestream for TDA, Hugo and Josh even danced around the idea of a Doom anime, which would be killer.

[thin olive]

I honest to god think that a final DTDA dlc the length of TAGP2 that does that gap between TDA and D16 would be icing on the cake. We can all dream.

[reef lodge]

A 3 level DLC wouldn't really suffice to tell such a huge time gap imo. The mistake that TAG made was this same mistake; cramming main game story potential into a DLC

[errant depot]

That would be so funny, "hey guys here's that dlc you've been waiting like a year for, it's only 3 levels, we hope u like it"

[muted bridge]

Ye even more funny if the trailer was the day before release

[vast jasper]

That would be fire 🔥

[craggy parrot]

Absolutely, I could only imagine how insane the glory kills would look animated in 2d

[subtle pulsar]

idea doom the dark ages was futuristic medieval so what if the dlc or next game is modern steampunk

[reef lodge]

It should be about cyborg aliens invading Earth

[round palm]

Isn’t that just DOOM Eternal?

[reef lodge]

💔

The joke was indeed that it's already an existing id game but you missed the mark super far

[round palm]

I kind of half thought it was a joke

[rotund python]

I haven’t even played Quake and I know he’s referring to Quake.

[round palm]

Cyborg aliens make up about 75% of ID Software games

[reef lodge]

Quake II, Quake 4, and...?

[rotund python]

Well DOOM is specifically demons

[round palm]

True, but demons are a type of alien

[rotund python]

Not exactly the same

[reef lodge]

Hmm, well he's not really wrong either

Though they hardly scream alien when compared to Strogg

[round palm]

Strogg look more like humans than a cacodemon

[reef lodge]

Cuz most of them were humans

[round palm]

So Strogg aren’t actually aliens then?

[reef lodge]

I get the point you are making but Quake 4 for example has super alien environments for them while I feel like DOOM stopped making Hell look all weird and fucked up with DOOM II

[rotund python]

Well I don’t think Hell ever looked all that alien in 1993

[reef lodge]

They are located on another planet and they are of alien origin, and their consciousness is alien, but the bodies they harvest for Stroggification are human

Fireblu and weird random geometry looked alien to me

[rotund python]

But in 2016 Hell definitely looks weird.

[round palm]

It makes a lot more sense that Strogg used to be humans, kind of interesting that the evil organization behind them distorts humans and uses them to fight against Earth

[rotund python]

I suppose, but I always chalked the geometry up to limited tech at the time I guess. But yeah the fireblu was cool. Surprised they haven’t tried to bring fireblu back to the modern games.

[reef lodge]

Also the eye switches and other weird shit like that, I miss that in NuDOOM

[round palm]

Demons are basically extremely angry aliens that were given too much creatine

[jolly sonnet]

I have to be honest quake games are buns

[jolly sonnet]

Here me out on this concept

The name of the game will be Doom: end of time and you enter the deepest depths of hell and the final boss is the Anti Christ

This will genuinely be fire

[rotund python]

Hey dude I'm not sure you're gonna live after saying that. Like 99.99% of this server likes Quake, so I'd recommend you get your things in order before somebody hires a hitman on you.

[jolly sonnet]

They're not bad but like it's just not that good

The only one I tried was quake 2

[subtle pulsar]

yes!