the-future

[hexed falcon]

or worse, it could turn out like the velma show

[feral plover]

Not trying to sound rude, but do you have any better ideas?

[woven siren]

yes??

there's like a thousand better ideas

[hexed falcon]

apology letter to mick gordon

[woven siren]

collection of animations of badass doom fight scenes

anime or comic book art style

[hexed falcon]

a show like the fight like hell doom 2016 trailer

[woven siren]

yeah basically that

i just think that 2d animation would be really cool

[woven siren]

a doom fangame like brutal doom but instead of taking inspiration from tactical 2010s shooters it takes inspo from the 2020s (and late 2010s) boomshoot revolution

so instead of adding realism with scopes and sprints and other bullshit to classic doom we max out its arcadey nature

[woven siren]

a doom music mod with doom midi style remixes of 90s death metal and grind

[woven siren]

making the doomcycle a real thing and making it a toy for the doom slayer action figure to ride

[woven siren]

stop-motion would be PEAK but stop-motion is a shit ton of effort

esp. if crazy-ass fight scenes is what you're animating

[hexed falcon]

evil dead x doom eternal

[elder viper]

-Doom anime akin to Berserk, 90’s anime style. Story would either be an original story with the Doom Slayer as the mc (silent protagonist dialogue would be used by other characters) or the anime would adapt some already existing material like the fall of Argent D’Nur or something

-Doom lore comic book or big lore book with demon biology and other lore bits

-Full midi renditions of the songs the original Doom games took inspiration from as well as full midi renditions of the 2016 and Eternal soundtracks

Doom x Killing Floor

Doom x Mortal Kombat

[elder viper]

By the Berserk thing I meant the aesthetics and look of it btw so no r word scenes

That wouldn’t fit into Doom anyway

[atomic compass]

-Full midi renditions of the songs the original Doom games took inspiration from
Already exists

[elder viper]

PLEASE SEND THAT TO ME

Cause that’s so fucking cool

[atomic compass]

This whole playlist
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaWQbQZAR_L2Zh417dN0yzcdgWk0RQtji

Now, there is a lot more than what is in this playlist

Good lord I want to send a TCRF link to have you see all of the changes but Dyno is my nemesis here

Go to this site:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937865838848008222/1236738820683333775/image.png?ex=66391a48&is=6637c8c8&hm=87fb1d3d22bcdc5b69b7c75f7f36297dca85a0314569fb0d8c88cd3f125711f5&

if you want to see EVERY track that was changed, put into the game, and ones left out @elder viper

Doom 2 as well:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937865838848008222/1236739169317818409/image.png?ex=66391a9b&is=6637c91b&hm=4fc222a18c083c6c48d804992aa7e25d3ae392c8b2f67d218b6e6eea03603d0f&

[elder viper]

This is so cool I had no idea this existed. Thanks so much for this

Wish Alice In Chains - We Die Young got into the final game I love that song

[hexed falcon]

i want more choir tracks in doom cause that stuff slapped

[atomic compass]

well, it did

mainly the drums though

[pliant temple]

any doom can be eternal if you make it be

[honest venture]

Just look at Doom I and II

[south raven]

Is there confirmation that more doom games will happen at some point

[solar crown]

no, but why would microsoft not make a new game for such a highly successful series?

[south raven]

Tbh

Only game series that gives off enough male hormones to transition a woman

[mint plinth]

one would hope, but the recent shut downs of studios says otherwise. MS is building a IP graveyard

[elder viper]

Hi-Fi Rush is a surprise due to that games success but Arkane Austin is understandable

Redfall was awful

[solar crown]

Wait they where actually shut down? Damn

[atomic compass]

Tango is also the same devs of The Evil Within and Ghostwire: Tokyo

which GW:T was revealed in QC 2018, the same one where Doom Eternal was teased for the very first time

The hell man? Why did they have to die off?

What went wrong?

[pale charm]

do you like hurting other people

[woven siren]

surprising considering the amnt of trans women in the doom community lmao

[mint plinth]

next doom game when?

[cosmic ember]

we dont know

[mint plinth]

okay now i got that out of my system...

more evidence suggesting that we will be seeing the "tease" at the showcase this year.

according to various journalists and "insiders" .

this isn't a confirmation, but it does give hope.

at least, until the Xbox Grim Reaper comes for Id Software

[atomic compass]

we’ll find out when we get there

Maybe this QuakeCon, who knows

[mint plinth]

hope to see gameplay at QC after we are teased at the Xbox showcase

[atomic compass]

Also just to all let you know #1077645316725149707 may not receive any more content updates as the team was greedily laid off by MS.

Like what happened? The team that made Hi-Fi Rush was laid off too!

[foggy seal]

hi fi rush was most puzzling to me, game wasn't a flop so how could that happen

[elder viper]

Same studio that made the Evil Within games too

Arkane Austin makes sense though

[mint plinth]

You answered your question. Greed

longer answer, stockholders

[atomic compass]

And Ghostwire: Tokyo

[atomic compass]

Yeah my question was specifically “what reason was the closure of the 3 studios?”

And of course that will not be answered directly, but it can only be assumed to be greed always

[mint plinth]

MS feels as though these studiops are excess fat, so they trimmed it. They dont want to take risks, just make more CoD

[atomic compass]

Restructuring Activision-Blizzard was their best idea

But after that? Nothing else

[mint plinth]

i think most of our concerns will be answered at the showcase. If they do not go out swinging, then they have some big problems.

it could be teh end of Xbox as we know it, MS is now a publisher

[atomic compass]

My (probably now ours) main worry right now is Microsoft/Bethesda closing/laying off id Software

[mint plinth]

thankfully Doom is just too god damn BIG to w/o like that

[atomic compass]

That will probably NEVER happen but let’s hope it NEVER happens

[mint plinth]

but it really makes other future idverse titles less likely. Quake, Hexen, Wolfenstein, Rage ...

time will tell if MS caters to gamers or stockholders. This is what happened to Blizzard

get too fucking big, and everything is about the bottom line

[atomic compass]

Let’s hope for the best and that Doom or Quake for the most part is kept alive

If it dies, I think the gaming industry is going to collapse or something

[mint plinth]

Wall-Mart This Way Come

[atomic compass]

id is doing what MOST main triple A devs are not doing and moreso doing what indie devs are doing

Full game, optional DLC, hardly any micro-transactions in live-service

[elder viper]

Killing the studio that has created and maintained Doom for 30 years would be such an insane move

Like that’s a piece of gaming history right there

[frosty knoll]

Yep. The Doom franchise is every bit as big as the Fallout franchise, so id Software isn’t in any immediate danger.

If anything, I fear that MachineGames, Obsidian, or Arkane Lyon might be next on the chopping block.

[hexed falcon]

imagine microsoft chopping out possibly the biggest fps game

[bright burrow]

Hope id brings rage back

[thorny plover]

New doom game being announced in June?

[bright burrow]

The game id is working has veichles apparently

[short mantle]

All just rumors, nobody knows what they work on

[feral plover]

that kinda reminds me how I was thinking of an fps game where you are a sentient car that can use guns and other weapons

[mint plinth]

strong evidence suggest it is a Doom game. Might also be a Doom/Quake hybrid. Good chance we find out soon.

[hexed falcon]

Doom-Kart, fun for th whole family!

[cobalt mountain]

Anyone has any idea whats the next id software game?

I really want to see what a modern quake game would be like

Especially the first two (Which idn how those first two games would work since they are in two different timelines)

[pale charm]

from what i know theyre both similar in how they want you to play their games

im not a real quake head tho so if im wrong let me know

but ive seen players say eternals gameplay is more quake-like than doom-like with emphasis on air movement

[feral plover]

Should the Super Shotgun have another mod in the next game? If so, what should it be?

[atomic compass]

I had one idea: One big Quake game which is a reboot to where it has the same plot of both Quake 1 and 2 combined together. It has the Ranger working in his tech base, but then monsters from both the hellish Quake dimensions and the dimension where the Strogg is coming from the slipgate

[cobalt mountain]

Actually, that sounds like a cool idea!

And maybe they can have both Quake Ranger and Bitterman as playable characters and the player can choose one of them

[atomic compass]

The Ranger has to visit both dimensions of Quake and Strogg and collects equipment and weapons from those dimensions

[atomic compass]

Right, both Ranger and Bitterman could be 2 different campaigns so that way everything isn’t messy

[cobalt mountain]

True

And also the game would look gorgeous on the new id tech 8

Since id tech 7 was really impressive especially the art style and the performance

[atomic compass]

The gameplay must also not be directly like Doom 2016 or Eternal’s

[cobalt mountain]

Yeah i agree, maybe with like a slower pace but not too slow like doom 3

[atomic compass]

It’s still FPS, but I imagine there would be more of a puzzle focus to things to differentiate

[cobalt mountain]

Yeah it might be challenging, plus i wonder what the enemies from both would look like with the fancy graphics the id tech engine can do

[atomic compass]

Death Knight and Strogg we have some idea since Quake Champions has skins

[ebon moat]

I remember Hugo wants a monster truck approach or something like that

[cobalt mountain]

Like the shambler and especially ion maiden for uh… obvious reason

*iron maiden

[atomic compass]

We also do have an idea of what the Shambler WOULD look like too

And it comes from 2016’s concept artist officially

[cobalt mountain]

I hope they don’t make him fluffy since its been confirmed by Romero that he doesn’t have hair

[ebon moat]

Oh wait I think he said like a tank.

I don't remember

[cobalt mountain]

Yeah its tank

Its the one on tank tracks and mounted with a giant minigun and rocket launcher

By far the coolest looking enemy in the game

[atomic compass]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/937865838848008222/1238668426604707921/SPOILER_Alex_palmas_Shambler.jpg?ex=66401f5e&is=663ecdde&hm=97da9f4dcdd8e7765f620eedec5dc399f2da67fec5614316d702f5988355e073&

This is real

[cobalt mountain]

Oh my, that looks sick!

Now thats pure nightmarefuel

[atomic compass]

And that’s good

[cobalt mountain]

I agree, Quake should definitely have the hp lovecraftian horror

[atomic compass]

Modern Doom is not really horror anymore, but that’s fine since Slayer isn’t fearful at all anymore

[cobalt mountain]

But upscaled to 1000000%

[atomic compass]

But a modern Quake reboot is also perfect to add horror elements in again

[cobalt mountain]

Honestly doom can work both ways

Action and horror

Doom 3 has a good concept but needed to be refined

But Quake fits it better and definitely should stick to it

[atomic compass]

And it better work, for example take note with how Quake 1 did things with its music and environments. Mick Gordon can make perfect ambience based on Doom 4’s old tracks, Doom 2016, and Wolfenstein: The Old Blood’s OSTs

[cobalt mountain]

And also action at the same time

[atomic compass]

But idk if Mick will want to come back unfortunately which is the sad part

[cobalt mountain]

Its fine theyll get another composer

He is not the only one that can do heavy metal

[atomic compass]

I do have another idea of who they should bring back though

[cobalt mountain]

The og guy how did quake 2’s soundtrack?

I honestly love his soundtrack and NiN as well

[atomic compass]

For the Quake 2 stages yeah I think so

But, I have one powerful idea for the Quake 1 stages

[cobalt mountain]

What about Andrew Shalt? I think id should give him a chance

He’s really good

Especially the covers on those original soundtracks from doom and quake

[atomic compass]

Chris Vrenna, Ed Lima and Clint Walsh

[cobalt mountain]

Never heard of those guys

[atomic compass]

The team behind Doom 3’s OST

[cobalt mountain]

Ahhhh that rings a bell

[atomic compass]

They should be given another chance

Plus, here’s another great fact about one of those guys

[cobalt mountain]

Definitely i love the theme song

[atomic compass]

Chris was part of NIN

[cobalt mountain]

Ah ok thats a cool fact

[atomic compass]

NIN (but mainly just Trent Reznor) made Quake 1’s OST

[cobalt mountain]

Also for id tech 8

[atomic compass]

So with Chis I think he would do a great job for a Quake reboot

[cobalt mountain]

What new features they will implement?

I hope they keep the ability to change outfits like in Eternal

Its so cool to customize the character

[atomic compass]

As I said, I believe adding more horror elements as well as adding puzzle elements. For the Quake 1 stages id should take note (≠ copy) from the Silent Hill series if they want to make the reiterated Quake 1 stages work well

[cobalt mountain]

I hope they some puzzle elements that will definitely be really cool

[atomic compass]

Reiterated Quake 2 stages should be more action focused, but still retain some horror elements but also a higher amount of puzzling

[cobalt mountain]

And also make the weapons more beefier and punchy

And also add a melee weapon im curious how that will be pulled out

Maybe also add glory kills too since they are really good and have an important role in gameplay

[atomic compass]

Also another idea is that the weapons should be taken from different locations for variety, such as The Shotgun from Quake 1’s tech base, while the SSG should be taken from Quake 2’s military bases when visting the dimensions for this reboot

[cobalt mountain]

Yeah definitely!

[atomic compass]

Railgun should also be in here, I feel like that weapon is way too iconic and if it wasn’t in the game, that would be robbery

[cobalt mountain]

100% agree

[atomic compass]

People at QC go crazy with it

[cobalt mountain]

The railgun is so good

And the sfx its soooo good to listen to

[atomic compass]

Here’s also a fun fact about the Gauss Cannon in Doom 2016 btw

The beam’s particle effect when using Siege mode looks VERY similar to the railgun’s main particle effect from Quake 2, if not exactly recreated

[cobalt mountain]

Huh interesting

[atomic compass]

Which means id DID pay a tribute to Quake 2 which warms my heart considering I feel like they would forget that game

[cobalt mountain]

True, its ashame that game is forgotten

Its really good especially the tech and how good the shooting is

Also another game that had a worse fate than that game that uses id tech 2 was SiN

[atomic compass]

I do feel like IMO Quake 2 is good, but the main release was boring

[cobalt mountain]

I never even heard about until i saw a YouTuber play it and i try it for my self and man its really fun!

[atomic compass]

But the remaster proved me otherwise because ND fixed all of my problems with the game that was there when I was playing with a source port

[cobalt mountain]

Its better than half life 1

In terms of gameplay and how well it age

But it suffers from that weird id tech 2 effect where everything is all wiggly which is very gross to see

[atomic compass]

I’m actually torn which one is better because Half-Life has it’s own stuff while still using the Quake 1 engine (albeit modified) and even did some things better than Quake 2

[cobalt mountain]

SiN honestly deserved better

[atomic compass]

Yeah, weird texture mapping and whatnot

[cobalt mountain]

Its shoudlve been forgotten

And the studio (Ritual Entertainment btw) shouldnt been shut down they were really talented

But yeah id tech 2 engine had that weird effect of the model which thankfully on the Quake 2 remastered it fixed that issue with there amazing KEX engine

I hope they will be able to do a doom 3 remaster or a quake 3-4 remaster as well

[atomic compass]

That warping effect of parts of the model when moving?

[atomic compass]

I think it was still there IIRC

but the MD2 models (the enhanced models) don’t have that effect

[atomic compass]

Me too personally because I don’t feel like BFG Edition fully cuts it

I want a proper remaster, not just a console port

Also if you think about it, a Quake 3 remaster would revive Quake 3 to a certain extent

[ebon moat]

Oh I meant Hugo wanted the next DOOM game to be either tank or monster truck approach.

I don't remember which.

[hexed verge]

wtf

[ebon moat]

That was fast AF

[hexed verge]

tank or monster truck? how like what

[ebon moat]

I don't remember which one he said

[hexed verge]

ok guys this is my new doom game!
u have tanks and monster trucks!!!!!!!

[ebon moat]

He means as opposed to Eternal's race car approach. Not literally

[hexed verge]

hmmm

i just hope that id doesnt get fucked by microsoft or something like that

microsoft is only doing shit on 2024

[ebon moat]

I don't think DOOM will ever have actual usable vehicles

[hexed verge]

only demons

[slow sonnet]

i would ride a mancubus as a tank bro

who would not want to blitz through demons with canons

[hexed verge]

on godhttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189631720509673472/1238680043077636187/image.png?ex=66402a2f&is=663ed8af&hm=6ce2386c2364864576b8642c4425a173164833059003c5ee1ed99c9d43e45c02&

[slow sonnet]

LOL

[static thistle]

By the word tank i'll probably assume grounded, and tbh its not necessarily a bad thing. Im honestly just excited to see how they handle it.

[slow sonnet]

i mean that they have a lot of health and do a lot of damage. also someone make a mod where you can ride demons

[static thistle]

You can ride cacos

[static thistle]

Also i wasnt talking about your comment on cybermancubi lmao

[slow sonnet]

lol i am a idiot sometimes

[ebon moat]

I do remember Hugo saying something about slow but hard hitting.

Maybe he wants a punchier tankier version of Doom 3

I'm assuming it'd be slower than 2016 as well

I wonder if there'll be far less focus on arena design with this formula?

[static thistle]

Maybe the level designs would be more like the classic dooms then?

[static thistle]

That also sounds like it has horror potential, ngl. Imagine the demons being super fast and intelligent

[ebon moat]

It'd be funny if we play as the Quake Ranger to continue Doomguy's legacy or something

[ebon moat]

They learned from Alien

[low dagger]

is ID software shutting down? I just dont understand

[atomic compass]

No

and let's hope that it never will or else I personally think the gaming industry will break for some time

If id Software shut down, that would be one of the most unfortunate historical events in gaming history

People would be hosting fan-funerals, several FPS (and other genres even!) devs/publishers and fans making tributes, making art or maps in other games to commemorate, and generally I think some social media sites would go down for a few hours because of how much fans id Software has mourning the loss of a company

if id Software would shut down

but, that will not happen and let's hope it would not

I brought it up because I was fearing because Tango shut down somehow despite them being successful

Greedy MS

[hexed falcon]

bruh microsoft bought the creators of doom only to consider shutting it down

[solar crown]

probably because with tango it'd be more of a risk
doom is almost free money

[woven siren]

holy shit that idea's kinda banger

demon ridinh

[violet panther]

you use a meathook to ride a Caco

[merry pasture]

Meat hook hook of meat

[hexed verge]

yeah

[elder viper]

No they didn’t

[mint plinth]

exactly 4 weeks till the showcase

[hexed falcon]

not yet but they will

[foggy seal]

Considering how massively successful their games are it's highly unlikely but we can only live and see till Microsoft will do another dumb decision

[solar crown]

hifi rush was a risk, there was no guarentee their game would have blown up and no guarentee they will get succesful again
corporations love taking as little risk as possible and getting as rich as possible as soon as possible, so ofc they will shut them down

[elder viper]

No they won’t

[winter nexus]

Sorry, what showcase?

[foggy seal]

Xbox summer showcase

[winter nexus]

Ah, I was gonna say, I only knew about the PS Showcase.

[umbral stone]

From what I heard (no way of verifying it as of right now) DOOM: Zero Year is a mid-quel so it's in-between 2016 and eternal. Likely to use some of the concepts for the original pitch of DOOM 4

[solar crown]

pretty sure theres no leaks apart from the name, and that document is outdated

[foggy seal]

yeah, we literally know nothing so far

[mint plinth]

There isn't much story to tell between 2016 and Eternal. My bet would be a prequel between doom 64 and the slayers time as a senitnal. They said Eternal was Id's Evil Dead 2, that means Year Zero might me literally Army of Darkness

[mint plinth]

as far as story between the last two games. I think the best approach to that is Doom 2016 DLC. That would be sick

Id should hire interns to work on it, that way they can learn IdTech 6

3 levels? New Enemies: Harvestor and Prowler. Final boss would need to be the priest guardian. I thought it was impllied to be the Spider Mastermind, but apparantly not

Deag Nilox

[next nest]

doom 2016 dlc to bridge the events between eternal and 2016

cos we dont have a very coherent plot for what happened between those two games

[fresh chasm]

Hello everyone

[mint plinth]

No we dont, eternal if full of plot holes

[ionic geode]

goodbye

[winter nexus]

I prefer the term "Unsolved Mysteries".

[solar crown]

Nah some are plotholes

[elder viper]

We already know what happened while he was a Sentinel

[mint plinth]

we got a poem about it. Not specifics. not sure your point

[light sigil]

Ww 3 x 9 11

[junior wing]

Yeah all you'd be playing is what you can read in the Doom Eternal codex

It's not like we need to live the Slayer's life on Argent D'Nur

Because we don't need to

[mint plinth]

well with that logic, nobody needs to play doom at all

[junior wing]

This is asking for a video game of Filler Arc stuff

[woven siren]

with that logic we shouldn't need to play games at all

let's just read the plot on the wiki and watch the cutscenes

the only person allowed to gaf abt doom lore is m0nologue everybody else should put gameplay first

[south gulch]

I just want another doom game period

[solar crown]

I'd much rather have the mainline games further the plot, then basically say nothing except clearing things slightly up

[south gulch]

I play for the music and the gameplay I don't mind about the lore

[light sigil]

Doom is bad

[short mantle]

Then why are you here?

[light sigil]

Because my friend is slipstream

[mint plinth]

next doom game! gimme gimme

if teased in a few weeks, i expect late 2025/early 2026 release

[feral plover]

what do you think new Doom game should be about

[icy yew]

DooM 1993 Remaster 🥳

[atomic compass]

nah

if you really think about it, that's kinda boring

even id doesn't even want to do it because they prefer making new things instead of remaking the old, but instead just leaves the old as history

and I respect that

[nimble loom]

But there already is a remaster of doom

[feral plover]

And a reboot

[atomic compass]

No there isn’t

Not officially

[atomic compass]

2 reboots

[split spoke]

a sequel to doom eternal but that wont prob happen cuz of ancient gods part II

[short mantle]

[short mantle]

He's just sleeping. That is all im saying.

[split spoke]

yeah ik dw

[static thistle]

Drunk probably

[short mantle]

Wouldnt u after you stopped a demon invasion?

[split spoke]

yeah i would prob

[feral plover]

I have an idea for one thats just plain silly and nonsense.
It's about baby Doomguy invading a Hell daycare and killing all the demons, even the baby ones, in the daycare.

But I think Mighty Doom is already that.

[split spoke]

would have been a cool april fools dlc or something like that

[static thistle]

Those are toys

[feral plover]

So then my idea would technically be a live action mighty doom

[split spoke]

probably

or maybe something connected to doom 3?

[static thistle]

Doom 3 2.0

[short mantle]

What if this is doom guys mother, not his wife. And the baby is actually him?

[static thistle]

But doomguy doesnt have blonde hair

[short mantle]

Hair can get darker as you get older tho

same as with eye color changing

[static thistle]

The guy on the left's face being gone is a bit weird for it to be his father tho seeing as its not like id is trying to make some sort of father mystery like its the truman show

[short mantle]

lol

[split spoke]

out of topic guys but what do yall think about the marauder?

[static thistle]

Shouldve been executed better

[split spoke]

personally think he was a waste shouldve been a better bossfight

[static thistle]

I adore his design and his voice he couldve played such a bigger role with some impact fron the fact thats hes a night sentinel

[split spoke]

agree

[short mantle]

He can suck my dick.
Just bad enemy design.

Not because he is hard to kill, just annoying.
Why do I HAVE TO WAIT for HIS INCONSISTENT OPENING?

[static thistle]

Making a boss out of that mechanic is crazy too ☠️☠️

[split spoke]

the bossfight was bad and then when you encounter him mid fights hes just kind of annoying but yeah voice and design was cool

[static thistle]

(davoth duh)

[short mantle]

Biggest Troll in the DOOM Franchise.
Covid fucked us good with this one.

[static thistle]

The bossfight was so anticlimatic

[short mantle]

It was just bad.
And all that traversal they introduced in the DLC just to completely abandon its mechanic in the final fight?

[static thistle]

It wasnt even just bad on the casual community it was bad on the speedrunning communiry because of its RNG ☠️☠️

[split spoke]

did the creators tell why the crucible blade wasnt in the dlcs?

[static thistle]

Because like, its in the icon's brain

[short mantle]

this ^

[split spoke]

oh yeah my bad

[short mantle]

And as long as its in the icons brain, the icon is "frozen"

[split spoke]

ohh alr

[short mantle]

Thats how they killed the titans

[split spoke]

but the hammer is good too just like the crucible blade more

[short mantle]

First mod to install when playing the DLC:
The one that turns off the "Comic Stun Sound"

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-sad-sad-cat-cat-meme-gif-12058012318069999477

[static thistle]

Ripped out of a saturday cartoon 😭🙏

[short mantle]

bro... REAL!

Dunno how there isnt a option to toggle it off

[nimble loom]

The version of doom on modern consoles is a remaster

[north stream]

That’s more of just a port than a remaster

As nothing graphically has improved

The Unity Port only has very minor engine changes that don’t relate to it’s visuals

[nimble loom]

Remasters in video games are just adding improvements to the original, not just graphics

Like how the remaster of hitman 2 is completely unchanged but they added wide-screen support

Only a couple of remasters actually change the graphics

And the remasters of doom 1 and 2 do technically change the graphics by changing the medkit color to green and adding actual wide-screen

[north stream]

In my opinion, with that logic source ports are all remasters

[nimble loom]

Its not "that logic" that is the actual definition of remasters

[icy yew]

[nimble loom]

Doom 3 BFG edition doom 1 and 2 are the best remasters

They fixed the issue of the screen not being stretched

They added the amazing new feature of all audio playing at a random pitch

They slowed down every music track so you'd really feel like a space marine who is about to suffer severe PTSD

[north stream]

I’ll admit reading a bit more, what you’re saying is in line with what the majority of people say a remaster is

[north stream]

Also, this isn’t a new feature, it’s technically a bug fix

[nimble loom]

A bug fix is a new feature

[north stream]

No??

[nimble loom]

It wasnt in the original game

[north stream]

Actually, it was

It got broken by accident in later version, but it was more than present in v1.2

[nimble loom]

It sounds terrible im glad it was accidentally removed

[north stream]

actually let me install my shareware real quick and see what version it was

I know it has random sound pitch but I forgot what version it was

It is v1.2

[atomic compass]

Okay you have to be joking right?

[past jackal]

I wonder when next game come out 🤑🤑🤑

[solar crown]

rumors with what base lol

[foggy seal]

base being "trust me bro"

I'll hold off all and any expectations till events happen and we will see whether anything was announced or not

[ebon moat]

I'd rather have Quake or new IP

[solar crown]

idk why people even set their expectations around literally sourceless people. If it was a reliable leaker then sure but we don't have one as far as i know.

[iron spade]

i think GTA 6 will come out in the future

[daring marlin]

cap

[mint plinth]

3 weeks till the showcase.

[nimble loom]

It took two years after the announcement of doom eternal for it to release

[mint plinth]

due to a delay, it was about 18 months orignally

[native halo]

Imagine if doomguy had to breastfeed imps using his shotgun

[woven siren]

i love you

[pallid zealot]

[pallid zealot]

bro is doom gay??? bruh I don't like this i hope it's a joke only

[static thistle]

what

[elder viper]

what

[feral plover]

Doomguy is gay.

[foggy seal]

very funny

[feral plover]

I'm not making a joke.

[woven siren]

doomguy is the strongest boymoder

[mint plinth]

need more doom, more "insiders" saying things about the enxt doom game. Basically it will be releasing on all platforms. Good thing for iD

but i dont think most of us should be surprised

[south gulch]

So apparently saying this is ok but when I tried to mention the “h” mod of doom in reference to this I got flagged

[native halo]

This is ok because this is literally all of doom

And that other mod is literally purely for weird deep desires

[south gulch]

I agree though I would argue the doom slayer breastfeeding imps with his shotgun could also be a weird deep desire if you asked the right person

[native halo]

I understand what you mean

[static thistle]

Yo, do you know why the seraphim's body is in the UAC?

[winter nexus]

I'm guessing Sam Hayden moved it there, ready for his apotheasis.

[solar crown]

Because hayden basically has complete control over them

[feral plover]

Samuel Hayden brought it there after the whole "cloning himself into a human body + cyborg body" thing.

[static thistle]

Ah, fair.

[feral plover]

ok mr season 3

[static thistle]

There wont be a season 3

[hexed verge]

is it actually confirmed?

pray that the next doom won't be shit because
what the fuck are they supposed to do for the next game? another reboot?

[wise galleon]

WE NEED DOOM GUY TO DIND A RANDOM PET AND KEEP IT AND BE HAPPY

find*

[feral plover]

cacodemon pet

[opal patrol]

Doom 65

It's like doom 64 but better. A few new enemies, at least 1 new weapon, some good level design and music. Include the slightly creepier atmosphere of doom 64 plus some and you get doom 65

[feral plover]

yes yes new doom for nintendo switch

[solar crown]

Nope, but a bit probable
Wouldn't put your hopes up high though, let it be a pleasant surprise

[mint plinth]

based on reports on Switch 2 hardware, i doubt the next doom game will be able to run on it. But they proved me wrong with Doom Eternal so who knows

i guess it depends if its running on Idtech7 or 8.

[cosmic ember]

each new weapon increases the game version

soon we will have doom 66 with 2 extra weapons 🤑

[opal patrol]

Exactly you get and each game ends with 1 extra final boss in the boss room

[native halo]

I missed so much

Back in my day we just had doom 1 and 2, now there's doom 2016???

How many games did they make bruh

[feral plover]

and doom eternal is doom ∞

[woven siren]

back in my day we didn't have any of this vertical movement heresy

we played wolfenstein 3d the way god intended

[vivid basalt]

I'm from a newer generation but I always like what people call the classics, before many games I played the og doom

[woven siren]

are you 3

[native halo]

Yeah I also played doom before doom 2

There was nothing else

[mint plinth]

Doom: The Dark Ages

Looks like it may of slipped out ….

[atomic compass]

Yeah no more Doom Year Zero apparently

Said to reveal at the Xbox Game Showcase on June 9

Said to be placed in a “medieval” setting

[cosmic ember]

ACTUALLY?

[atomic compass]

I wish I could show tweets but they will get deleted by Dyno but Wario64, Tom Henderson, and Agent Strange tweeted about it

And also, the rumors may have been true and may be set between 64 and 2016

[cosmic ember]

MY DREAMS OF DOOMGUY IN HIS SERNTINEL DAYS MY BE ANSWERED

[atomic compass]

Which will tell us how Doom Slayer trained to gain his rank

[cosmic ember]

YES YES YES YES YES YES

[atomic compass]

I was really expecting an Eternal sequel but this is perfectly okay

A new Doom game being announced is always a good day

Who knows really

Imagine if there were Hexen elements

Since that’s a dark fantasy theme

[mint plinth]

I sharted with excitement for a new doom game.

[patent vapor]

This will 100% have Quake 1 vibes to it. I know Hugo says that they don't want to keep the gameplay the same for new games but I really want to see the SSG with the meat hook in a Medevil setting!

[foggy seal]

hold yo horses, this could be a red herring

or another project name

we'll find out on 9th june anyway

[thorny plover]

Watch it be mighty doom 2

[restive talon]

I find it unlikely that we're getting another Doom game after Eternal tbh, but we could be getting Quake or Hexen

Of course if it turns out a new Doom game is announced on June 9th I will eat my words and then some

[foggy seal]

Ending of eternal setup the potential threats beyond current plane of existence, obviously very lovecraftian stuff + Slayer is just resting at the moment so might be a massive quake tie in

[ebon moat]

I am hoping for a more Gothic twisted Hellish medieval fantasy like we see from DOOM 64 and Quake 1.

But I'm a bit bummed because we most likely just see the DOOM Eternal type of Medieval fantasy instead

[ebon moat]

We'll just see Exultia/Taras Nabad/World Spear/Sentinel Prime type stuff....

... rather than the twisted Gothic Lovecraftian Quake 1 and DOOM 64 style of Medieval fantasy.

[analog python]

I'm pretty certain the new doom game is gonna be about the slayer's time with the night sentinels.

I think a non lore destructive prequel to 2016 would be the way because Hugo Martin said they're aiming for slower and more powerful playstyle (the monster truck) rather than the fast paced one (the supercar)

I kinda want a doom game where the classic demons have a new iteration that's more terrifying like doom 3 but actually actually better

[ebon moat]

Tbh it kinda sounds like DOOM 2016 2.0 (Gameplay wise, from that description lol)

[ebon moat]

DOOM 64?

[analog python]

Yeah something like doom64 but modernized.
Sadly it would take some great and unique twist to make the game exist cuz otherwise it isn't as profitable.

[inland rose]

When is the new doom coming out

[south gulch]

in doom 64 the pain elemental made me wanna crawl out of my skin. It's already one of the monsters I hate the most but seeing it in such an horrific way? Hell to the no

[solar crown]

Screw you vega

Ok, there is an insider-gaming article stating the next doom WILL be announced on june 9th

https://www.reddit.com/r/Doom/s/iHrG0guKZZ

Ha screw you vega, i win!!!

Article feels AI generated but oh wel info seems good

[lethal marlin]

Oh boy thats like in 2 weeks!

Cant wait

[winter nexus]

I guess we'll have to wait until the 9th. It'll most likely be set between D64 and 2016 I'm guessing, right? I mean the term "Dark Age" suggests a period of time that we're still in the dark regarding its goings on, due to not having many historical records, or potentially the period between Doom 2016 and Eternal.

[upper tiger]

It better be on the PS5 on day 1. Doom fans will rip and tear Bethesda if they make it a PC/Xbox exclusive.

[atomic compass]

I doubt it will be exclusive, everything will be fine

[unkempt ocean]

🤫 🧏 🗿

[atomic compass]

making stuff exclusive for the Xbox is only something that Bethesda would do

because if you also think about it, Doom being exclusive makes no sense

[solar crown]

You know bethesda is owned by microsoft right

[atomic compass]

Yes, I know that hence being exclusive (which is what happened to Starfield for some time)

id wants to be hands-off in terms of Microsoft's involvement

[solar crown]

They don't get to decide that though, that's not how the authoritarian stucture of corporations operate at

[atomic compass]

I know that

it's mainly what MS wants which isn't fair

best case scenario it's multi-platform

worst case scenario it's only xbox exclusive

[solar crown]

Pc exclusive rather, xbox doesn't do console exclusived anymore

[native halo]

Imagine if doomguy just fought dinosaurs in some game

The velociraptor becomes stronger the longer it remains on earth

[fleet vortex]

omg

I just saw last Midnight's video on the new doom game

I'm so hyped !!!!

[iron spade]

bananarama

[mint plinth]

2 weeks till showcase...

[hexed falcon]

"doom eternal was like a racecar and doom dark ages will be like a monster truck", idk what that means but it sounds badass

[restive talon]

If that claim's true I guess Dark Ages will make your movement slower but you obliterate demons easily

instead of being focused on speed your focus is on strength

[umbral viper]

Interesting idea

If that’s true I wonder how they’re gonna implement that without making the game easy

[atomic compass]

Higher focus on weaponry I would say

[honest thistle]

DooM 2016 is a reboot of Ultimate DooM, DooM Eternal is DooM ][ in its' setting, the next game is basically DooM with elements of Quake, trying to get more into horror like Amnesia. Let's not.

If the next DooM game reboots any previous game, it should be DooM 64.

[solar crown]

i think eternal had a rather ok one, better weapon balance would effectivally increase the choices so that would be a great one

[atomic compass]

Doom and horror can work, it just needs good direction with how things should be executed

[solar crown]

i hope they will also make reloading a bit more interesting, once you realize eternal is literally just a normal reload button on a cooldown it just becomes a bit... less spectacular

[restive talon]

There really isn't much to reboot there however

[atomic compass]

IMO Doom 3 failed to me as a horror game personally

[solar crown]

i think ID can go much better with their nudoom route and make great first person shooters that recognize the fact they are games

[atomic compass]

Doom 64? That fully worked as a horror game despite being more simple, the execution is how it worked as a horror game

Midway really knew how to be creative with the modified id tech 1 engine

[solar crown]

i don't think d64 was at all a horror game

[atomic compass]

Atmosphere, music, random moments you don’t expect to happen

[solar crown]

i'm assuming dusk chapter III was more horror, and i wouldn't even call that a horror shooter either

theres 2 actually scare parts but that's it

[atomic compass]

It was still action, but IMO had a way better execution at being a horror game than what Doom 3 was

Doom 3 everything was predictable

Which is not good horror game design if someone KNOWS what can happen even if it was their first time playing

[solar crown]

iirc doom3 was mostly jumpscare horror

[atomic compass]

I know which is too cliché-y

That’s highly overdone

[solar crown]

and honestly i don't think you can properly shoot badass complicated shooter with horror that well, so i'd rather have them not even try on the horror aspect

[honest thistle]

Basically like Amnesia.

[atomic compass]

I believe id can do it

They just need to think about how they can do it

[solar crown]

actual horror just is not really doable with the entirety of a badass shooter

[atomic compass]

Because here’s the thing too, Aubrey Hodges said that he was scared of his own music that he made for Doom 64

Which just signals that you know you’re doing good with creating a horror game

[solar crown]

if the "horror" is "the composer made some scary music and the enemies look gorey!!!" that's not fucking horror lmfao

[atomic compass]

That was 1997 FYI

Doom 3 was 2004, yes

[solar crown]

yeah but now it is 2024 and next doomgame won't come tillin 2025/2026

[atomic compass]

But IMO Doom 64 was way better at horror than what Doom 3 did

[atomic compass]

We can tell that

[solar crown]

genuinly, i don't think you can have any sort of cool gameplay like nudoom tries to and also have it be actual horror

[atomic compass]

We’ll wait and see; I’m pretty sure id can try and think of something

We were surprised with Eternal, so they can surely surprise us again

[solar crown]

i wouldn't mind it being horror inspired though, but actual horror just at most seems conflicting

[honest thistle]

I still wanna see official mod support for DooM Eternal.

[cobalt rivet]

new doom

[solar crown]

GL

[cobalt rivet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/488393514690805790/1215143939905159168/GH_lEeyWAAAphuq.png?ex=6654ab3b&is=665359bb&hm=3a25661a148b1110e047cedc779e7af39e8d128541d3d5c9e58155253d594473&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=520&height=671

[honest thistle]

Unnn...ahn?

[solar crown]

Good Luck

[atomic compass]

Doom 3’s jumpscares were nothing compared to 64

[weary pebble]

i wonder if its going to be a new game or a dlc to eternal

[atomic compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/790967716244750387/1244371215771242506/RPReplay_Final1712917831.mov

[ebon moat]

D64 your favorite Doom?

[ebon moat]

Truthful

[atomic compass]

2nd favorite classic game

Doom 2 is my favorite

[ebon moat]

Eternal favorite for modern?

[atomic compass]

yes

[ebon moat]

Nice

[bronze folio]

Doom 64 is my lover game

[woven siren]

yes

[native halo]

I think doomguy will probably kill someone in the next game

[static thistle]

Nah i think hed die

[native halo]

WHAT

They better add the BFG to the new game

Or I'm NOT playing

[short mantle]

nope

nobody needs that

[native halo]

A mod... we're so doomed...

[short mantle]

[blazing cargo]

With Dark Ages potentially being a prequel & Eterna's meat hook Super Shotgun referred to as "A relic from your past", I wonder what the likelihood of it returning would be.

[native halo]

They better add the bfg

[solar crown]

depends on what they will make the prime gameplay loop, if movement still matters a lot then meathook will probs be there

[blazing cargo]

Hope so.

[hexed falcon]

my guy they're probably gonna add the bfg chill out

[native halo]

I know

[final panther]

there where rumors that the new game will be as a Monster Truck, slow and very destructive, hope to see more animations for glory kills like in Doom 2016

[solar crown]

hugo said it like 4 years ago but like

[final panther]

oh

i've been out of new for a long time as I see

[round valve]

i hope the final boss will be the titan dommguy kills after being subjected to the divinity machine

[topaz pecan]

i hope it is during the slayers time with the sentinels the final boss should be the dreadnought and should feature the crucible

[round valve]

lorewise it prolly wont be there considering how it may have a focus on melee combat

[hexed falcon]

i mean sentinel prime is one of the reasons argent energy exists because they worked with the makyrs, so maybe it'll show the early stages of argent so i think at some point we'll get a bfg

[solar crown]

Baser on what

[atomic compass]

source?

I think they meant "general" combat overall IIRC

where did the melee part come from

[round valve]

this is just conjecture after all

[atomic compass]

so you made baseless claims

[round valve]

but havent they said itll have more of a medieval background?

[atomic compass]

based on what was given, but nothing was said for "melee combat" specifically

[round valve]

i mean based on the name itself we can gather that much

[snow egret]

howcome the devs repeatedly said they were finished with doom and moving on to something else and also hinted at quake and possibly herectic and now have a third doom game

were they hamfisted by the suits? is id finished?

[woven siren]

it's all leaks

but there's a chance they doomfed the quake game for sales purposes

[snow egret]

sad state of affairs games are in nowadays

[median wolf]

So the dark ages is a leak or rumors ?

[ebon moat]

Midnight moment?

[ebon moat]

It's your goat?

[bronze folio]

So so, but I like much doom 1

[snow egret]

?

[sinful pebble]

Since doom is connected to wolfenstein, wouldn’t it be cool if we could kill Hitler in hell?

Damn that was good idea I had

[static thistle]

Going off of doom eternal's lore on soul extraction and demon creation, we mightve already done that

Heck who knows if he turned into a zombie, soldier, imp, tyrant, whiplash, allat

[sinful pebble]

L bozo

[ebon moat]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma-kiryu-yakuza-better-call-saul-breaking-bad-my-honest-reaction-gif-25702530

[native halo]

Imagine if internguy is actually an imp shapeshifter

[solar crown]

Kid named corporate greed:

[solar crown]

I'm pretty sure people only go to hell if the demons invade and they kill you
Otherwise, why invade??? Just create a few hundred new planets who continiously nourish you

[static thistle]

invasion is fun

[snow egret]

@hugomartin blink twice if the suits forced you to compromise your art for the almighty dollar

[elder viper]

As long as the games good I could care less. Also isn’t Heretic owned by Raven and not id Software?

The end of id is a bit of a stretch yeah?

[snow egret]

If they are that enslaved, then no it isnt

[solar crown]

That's just capitalidm baby!

[snow egret]

I wish the days of publishers trusting their developers weren't long-gone

[solar crown]

There still here, just not in the upper corporate charters of AAA games

Smaller studios/single dev games are thriving hard

Heck, you don't even neef a publisher. It's just whether or not you think they provide enough advertisement to make it worth it

[round valve]

issue is putting a game up on any major store literally costs 100 dollars not to mention the additional costs

3d models, voice acting(not necessary) soundtrack

[solar crown]

Itch.io is free iirc

[snow egret]

no the issue is they are short sighted and dont realize quake reboot would spawn as much craze as doom did

[solar crown]

that would be a risk that isn't sure
doom is the safe and surer option

[snow egret]

if you trust the developers to be competent and they have proven themselves it is sure

good games will always sell

[solar crown]

ok but why ever take the rish as an executive?

[dapper shoal]

yo can anyone summarise what's known about Doom: The Dark Ages so far?

[solar crown]

https:// insider-gaming.com/doom-the-dark-ages/

that's everything, and it kind of reads AI generated but the hype it creates makes it sound rather real

[dapper shoal]

thanks

[mint plinth]

Doom going medieval...

"The Clone Wars" time peroid between doom 64 and DOOM 2016.

That is several decades from my understanding.

I still think we will see guns, but they will be senintel variants, much like the ballista is the senintel version of the gauss cannon.

[brave nova]

bro imagine if there is like a demon dragon

for a boss fight

or like a shield

if they can pull it off right it will probably be the best game they have ever made

[mint plinth]

we we have seen a Maledict and other dragons from Eternal. Probably will be seeing doomguy flying on one... and slaying hell versions.

Most demon designs will probably be more fantasy style

but that doesn't mean classic mecha demons make a return in some form

just as long as barons/nobles are giving green blood.

[brave nova]

yeah but can you imagine if the doom guy had like midevil armor or something like that

i hope the trailer comes out in the next month or 2

[mint plinth]

sentinel armor most definently. it really is a mix of sci fi and medieval.

giong to have rewatch Krull

[brave nova]

yeah i really think it will be the best doom game

[mint plinth]

probalby get a teast at the showcase. Full game play reveal at QC

[brave nova]

if what hugo said is right it will be one of the best doom games

or like a monster truck then a sport car

[mint plinth]

i would set release window about 17 - 21 months from now

[brave nova]

i think it will be 2025

[mint plinth]

good chacne 2025, but delays can come

probably going to see more melee style weapons in addition to the usual aresenal

[brave nova]

true but the way the last 2 came out i would put money on 2025

[mint plinth]

maybe a mace to weaken demons or tear off certain parts of thei bodies, with other weapons to "finish" them

[brave nova]

i hope there is like a mace you can use kinda like the chainsaw in 2016 and eternal

and maybe just maybe we will get a big mech boss fight

[mint plinth]

i have a feeling combat loop will revolve around using different weapons for best results on the same demon. But that is just speculation

[brave nova]

yep i think it will be more of a hac and slash style

you probably like it was in 2016

[mint plinth]

it will probably be darker and grittier than Eternal. Dark Ages wouldn't be Dark Ages without despair and death

[foggy seal]

gameplay probably gonna be something between Doom 3 and Doom 2016 but with a lot more different tools like Sentinel Hammer to cause maximum damage output

[inland rose]

Is the new doom game going to come out this year

[short mantle]

nobody knows

[mint plinth]

late 2025 is my guess

[inland rose]

Hopefully it’s more like 2016

[ebon moat]

I'm going to guess it'll be like a mix of 2016 and Doom 3 if the leaks and descriptions are true

[winter nexus]

Why would it be out this year, they haven't even officially announced it yet.

[winter nexus]

Who said it was going Medieval?

[ebon moat]

You'd be surprised about how much this happens.

Though I don't think it has ever happened with DOOM....yet atleast

[winter nexus]

They released TAG2 the day after announcing it, but this was just a DLC. It's highly unlikely that they'd announce the next Doom game and the release it the same year, and if they do, you know you're going to be waiting months for them to patch up all of the glitches.

[mint plinth]

leaks, current title is Doom: Dark Ages. Pretty much every insider has confirmed this to be true. Granted this isn't 100% confirmed, but looks very likely.

[winter nexus]

A Dark Age isn't necessarily Medieval (Middle Ages), it could be Postapocalyptic, however there's been no official announcements yet, only speculation.

[mint plinth]

"Could we tell a story about when [the Doom Slayer] first came to that place with the Sentinels, almost like a more medieval setting, a fantasy setting?" ... "I think as you play the DLC, too, you'll see lots of hints of what we could do moving forward. Maybe even in the future. Again, our hero is somewhat timeless—I mean, literally he's immortal, so we could tell all kinds of stories." - Hugo Martin

[winter nexus]

I mean just last month, people were talking about Doom Year Zero in a matter of fact way to as though it had come from an inside source.

[mint plinth]

It was a code name

[winter nexus]

But this is an old quote, it's not an announcement of the forthcoming game, he was just speculating what could be.

[foggy seal]

probably best point i have seen in recent days

[mint plinth]

2021 quote yes, iD could of totally changed everything and gone a different dirction. I doubt it because of the Doom Zero Leaks projecting 600 million future sales. You just don't cancel that kind of development

ive been scouring through ALL of Hugo stuff on youtube for tidbits. So many hints and what not. Im still betting on medieval doom

[winter nexus]

Yeah, it literally means a period decline in science and technology, and with little written records, usually due to disease or pestilence running rampant. Different countries experienced at dark age at different points in time, however Doom is set in the future and it could be a future dark age. It'll likely relate to the dark parts of the lore though, filling in the gaps between Doom 64 and 2016, and between Doom 2016 and Eternal.

[mint plinth]

"Eternal is our Evil Dead 2" "Slayers time in the Clone Wars"

"filling in the gaps between Doom 64 and 2016" Yes this is where its likely taking place

Teh arrival of the Maykrs, and the decline of Sentinel Society

[winter nexus]

Doom guy's American, they never experienced a Medieval era, and Doom typically takes place in the future, not the past.

[mint plinth]

The Argenta cast away their old golds (Wraiths) and begin to worship the Khan

now the once warior like society begines to become corrupted, and then demons

[mint plinth]

I dont think that is relevant. iD wants to go to new places. They dont want to do the same game twice.

[foggy seal]

we had plenty of medieval looking places of Argent D'Nur in Eternal tho

[ebon moat]

Like I said it has never been done for DOOM.

But other games have done it.

Super Mario Odyssey released the same year as it was announced for example.

And Super Mario Odyssey was HUGE

But Nintendo is just a weird ass company with weird ass schedules to be fair.

[mint plinth]

we really only have two games to go by in terms of release. 2016 was 11 months since the public trailer, eternal was like 20 months (17 if it didnt get delayed)

18 months, next later summer is a safe bet

[ebon moat]

Also I'm pretty sure Eternal was actually supposed to release the same year it was revealed. It just got delayed a couple of times

[winter nexus]

Sure, but we're already half way into 2024 now.

[ebon moat]

Eternal QuakeCon 2018 was halfway through 2018 IIRC

[winter nexus]

It's not likely that we'll get a Christmas release of something that hasn't been revealed yet, we might just about get a trailer by the holiday period, if we're lucky.

[foggy seal]

i think we should just wait 12 days to see if anything will be announced first

[winter nexus]

And that's a big IF. I'm still betting they'll release something Quake related first.

[mint plinth]

i hope quake is being made by machine games

and Wolfensetin 3 get shadowdropped

[ebon moat]

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just saying, there's plenty of big games that did it before.

I'm personally on the side of 50/50

[foggy seal]

I'm having trust issues after Youngblood

[winter nexus]

Youngblood wasn't great.

[ebon moat]

Also if the new DOOM game is revealed this year, I'd guess it'd show a release date for next year

[winter nexus]

The others were okay, but there was a lot of missed opportunities too. I actually preferred Raven's take on Wolfenstein.

[mint plinth]

i dobut we get any release date hints. It will just be a teaser in 12 days, then gameplay at QC2024.

[ebon moat]

I could be wrong, but I swear I remember Hugo Martin saying he wanted to make a Wolfenstein game in a stream before. But don't quote me on that

[mint plinth]

i agree, youngblood wasn't very good

[ebon moat]

That's the most likely

[snow egret]

Soulless mentality

[winter nexus]

I'm honesty not expecting to see any visual teaser until QuakeCon, but you never know.

[snow egret]

You take the risk because that's how great new things are born

[ebon moat]

And then in 2024 they'll say the release date is late 2024, but then they'll delay it to 2025 or 2026

Jeez a 2020 to 2025/2026 until the next DOOM is a pretty crazy wait, now that I think about it

Though still nothing compared to the wait from DOOM 3 to 2016.

[mint plinth]

those were the iD dark ages

[ebon moat]

Yes, even at first, people thought 2016 was not so great looking

Not even just the Doom 4 prototype, but even when they transitioned to the 2016 build

[mint plinth]

at E3 2015, people did cry about the filters, I remember that

[ebon moat]

And they thought it looked way too slow and that the demons looked off

[mint plinth]

but i thoght it looked great, i just hated the fact we never got to see the 2014 trailer

[ebon moat]

The imp resembled a Doom 3 imp in the 2015 build for example

[mint plinth]

i wish they kept the older imps for SnapMap.

im curious what the medieval roster woudl look like. Baalgars? Ancient hell guards? The caste of hell knights before they were devolved by one of the Dark Lords?

There is some cool concept art within eterneral that might give us a clue.

The gladiator was the last of the once great Hell Knights.

Dread Widow's? These were teh ancient demonic forms of the Spider Masterminds only hinted from the 2016 codex.

[cosmic ember]

they better be cooking in the studio

[steep nymph]

trust

[foggy seal]

They looked like skinny hell knights

[solar crown]

I'd consider capitalists soulless too yeah

[brave nova]

I will put money it says probably 2025

The way they have done the last games I think it will be middle 2025 or late 2025

[winter nexus]

2025/2026 hopefully, but knowing these parent companies, they'll probably push for an early release of an incomplete game.

[brave nova]

Idk the way Hugo is and the team I doubt they will release a incomplete game

[winter nexus]

Doom Eternal was released with a shit ton of glitches, which took a fair while to patch. My personal copy became almost unplayable because it kept crashing at certain points, until they released the first patch for the game.

[solar crown]

They have very little say over that

Don't somehow think a studio is magically clear of corporate intermiddling, what do you think is the most likely reason eternal got battlepasses after all??

Plus, you should EXPECT any major release to be full of bugs day 1. Anything else is just setting yourself up to be dissapointed on release

[mint plinth]

hopefully 4+ years in development weeds out hte optimzaion issues. But for the most part Eternal/2016 ran pretty damn good.

but, like all great studious, once bought out it is only a matter of time before the stockholders take over and turn iD into Blizzard

[brave nova]

Ofc it’s going to have bugs but it think Id does it pretty damn good

[ebon moat]

It's interesting because that'd be a longer gap than 2016 to 2020 (Eternal)

[brave nova]

Yes but if they are just releasing a trailer then I think 2025

I doubt it would be 2024

[ebon moat]

I think they'll initially say 2025, but then delay it to 2026 or 2027

[brave nova]

Maybe

[ebon moat]

Eternal and 2016 have both gotten delays

[brave nova]

I think 2027 is a little to long probably max 2026

[ebon moat]

Imagine if they multi teamed

Like iD Software starts making Wolfenstein, MachineGames makes Quake, and NightDive Studios makes DOOM

[bronze folio]

Definitive but thinks the old doom is Best, than, eternal and 2016

[sage blaze]

Its May 2025, they'll announce at Xbox show, then deeper dive at Quakecon

[winter nexus]

Classic Doom? OG Doom and Doom 2 are the only games I still play on a daily basis.

[bronze folio]

But the eternal and 2016 is for me is GOD

[mint plinth]

I wonder what is going on with mod support for Eternal. maybe we get tools at some point?

[winter nexus]

For the PC? Maybe, I mean it is tradition.

[bronze folio]

True?

[mint plinth]

back in january there were steam updates related to mod support. Nothing came out of it since

and there was teh IDKFA trademark which some speculated being the name of the modding tools

[obsidian orchid]

Eternal didn't get a battlepass... it got a season pass, a one time bundle with dlc?

Obviously i know what you mean about the live service model stuff but a battlepass and a season pass are completely different

[elder viper]

Your acting like id Software is making some awful horrible decision that will lead to the total collapse of the company because there making a new Doom game and not Quake

[brave nova]

Idk I think a new doom game is needed

I have never played quake so I can’t have a opinion on it

[mint plinth]

more doom the better

i am not getting any younger

[snow egret]

im not acting like anything

thats your weirdo interpretation, i just dont like to see artistic visions redirected by soulless moguls

sorry that offends you

[elder viper]

what?

[winter nexus]

I mean I'm just glad that id Software is still in operation, especially after almost four decades. I'll take anything they release and I'm not in a hurry, I can wait another few years.

[honest thistle]

Anyone else hear about Dark Ages?

[mint plinth]

we all did

[foggy seal]

yeah, and waiting for Xbox summer showcase for anything substantial

[winter nexus]

Spawn: Dark Ages?

[honest thistle]

Gotta be some kind of wait...

[honest thistle]

No.

[winter nexus]

Marvel Dark Ages?

[honest thistle]

DooM Dark Ages.

[winter nexus]

Ah, yeah, it's just speculation.

[foggy seal]

hence why waiting for june 9th

[winter nexus]

They'll probably save it until QuakeCon, so don't get a your hopes up.

[foggy seal]

and that's why I keep saying that we should just wait, it'll be known whether they will announce anything or not

at best we'll get some short teaser like with Eternal

[winter nexus]

What I'd like to see more of, which I was just think about, is for example how they changed the Baron design in Doom 3, but then returned to the classic retro look I think 2016, and then based the 2016 Hellknight on the Doom 3 Baron, albeit bulkier, and then changed the Doom Eternal Baron's design, but brought back the classic Hellknight in the form of the Gladiator. The more they change things, the more they return to the originals.

[ebon moat]

Wait there are no Barons in Doom 3

[icy relic]

yes

[solar crown]

What do you think the events where bud

[ebon moat]

There isn't tho

[winter nexus]

It doesn't matter, it's been a long night and in my mind there is.

[icy relic]

yes ik there isn't but there would've been a baron of hell

[ebon moat]

Lol

[sly dagger]

At this point Doom Dark Ages sounds like an alternate name for an Heretic Reboot

[tough lodge]

I could do with more Heretic

[icy relic]

doom dark ages is too edgy to be true not gonna lie and so is Doom Year Zero. My opinion no hatred towards anybody

[solar crown]

tf means "too edgy to be true"

[icy relic]

it's too edgy

[solar crown]

but what does it mean

[icy relic]

What do you mean "What does it mean" you are confusing me

it doesn't fits the doom genre

Like you got
Doom (1993)
Doom 2: Hell On Heart
Final Doom
Doom RPG
Doom 3
Doom 2016 ((quite wird ngl))
Doom Eternal
Doom Dark ages ((where does it fit))
((I know I did not include every doom game because there are too many))

[plucky fox]

doom 2 takes place on doom slayers heart

[feral plover]

Huh?

[icy relic]

What

[feral plover]

The hell does that mean

[plucky fox]

hell on heart

[feral plover]

It's Hell on Earth.

[solar crown]

only 2 other games had like, actual titles

and if it's very sentinelly then why wouldn't it work

[feral plover]

"Dark Ages" isn't edgy. It's just referring to a poor age in history, or one shrouded from history.

[icy relic]

I know but for me it does sound edgy.

[feral plover]

I mean it's certainly not as edgy as "Resurrection of Evil," and that is a Doom title.

[icy relic]

I know

[mint plinth]

Dark Ages as in medieval. Or in Doom's case, Sci-Fi Fantasy

swords and spears

undead, demons, dragons, so on

[snow egret]

are there any devs in this discord

oh hugo is here lmfao

[winter nexus]

Dark Ages doesn't mean Medieval, that's the Middle Ages. It's just incidental that the British dark ages happened during the Medieval era.

A Dark Age is just a period of decline in science and technology, and wherein there's a lack of written attestation. A dark age could be a postapocalyptic era.

[winter nexus]

Pretty much.

[mint plinth]

well pretty sure semantics here. We are getting a medieval doom

all evidence, leaks, hints for Hugo himself, ect strongly suggest this.

[mint plinth]

oh they read this. We all know Hugo is obsessed with reading every comment he can find about the game. He is probably lurking here right now

[foggy seal]

Im betting two burgers that if we're going medieval it's gonna be the Argent D'Nur

[mint plinth]

ArgentD'Nur will be the central hub. Slayer than visits other planets and regions of hell from there. I also wonder if it will be linear or more open to traveling. A metroid Prime style progression might work

[atomic compass]

let id cook

[atomic compass]

Which is badass btw

I want to see Slayer kill a demon dragon

[atomic compass]

Why would ADN be the central hub

Wouldn’t it be the Sentinel Homeworld or something?

[mint plinth]

Some sentinel planet yes. not sure what hte homeworld is

[winter nexus]

Are you guys still guessing?

[atomic compass]

On what

D:TDA?

[winter nexus]

Yeah

[atomic compass]

idk ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[woven siren]

it sounds pretty corny as a doom subtitle tbh

[atomic compass]

Year Zero was definitely better

It has the religious connection (for what I assume? there is a few things which have "Year Zero" and all I can assume is that it's a religious thing and I would like clarification if anyone knows) which makes the name a lot stronger in meaning

Which the previous subtitle name "Year Zero" reminds me of this song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy0l2r0IxkI

[winter nexus]

What religious connection?

[atomic compass]

I have no idea in reality, all I can assume based on context clues from how I've seen "Year Zero" was used is that it's some sort of religious thing? Someone please correct me on that

[winter nexus]

I assumed that it was going to be Year Zero of the Earth invasion, or of the Slayer being the Slayer. I recall Hugo wearing a black shirt Batman: Year One t-shirt during Doom's 30th anniversary stream, and figured it was somehow related to that.

[solar crown]

Eternal has been quite religious, with exploring heaven and such

[winter nexus]

Ah. I mean if that's heaven, I'm not sure I'd want in.

[solar crown]

Well yeah they perverted it with their corruption

[winter nexus]

I mean we perverted earth with our corruption, so I guess we're in the same boat.

[ebon moat]

Anyone play that Doom mod in Quake 1?

Where it's Episode 1?

I like selecting to fight both Quake and DOOM enemies lol

[feral plover]

Eternal kind of threw out the whole "Doom is a Christian game lol" themes. The story kind of posits religious figures to be bullshit as a whole, and the Slayer stands against basically any so-called "deity" demanding worship or allegiance.

[solar crown]

Nahh it became more christian.
God and heaven are confirmed which makes it more closely to the bible!!

[feral plover]

True......

[woven siren]

it isn't

the closest thing we have is that the year zero isn't included in the original anno domini calendar and that's a little reachy

year zero is a political notion from pol pot

[icy relic]

Not really

[woven siren]

elaborate

[icy relic]

it is not Christian at all

[feral plover]

Uh, yeah really lol. He kills angels and then kills the leader of the angels and then betrays their angel god. And the angels are portrayed as narcissistic pieces of trash who go around subjugating and oppressing people they've deemed "lesser" in the name of their worship.

[icy relic]

There is no Jesus in the doom universe.

[feral plover]

I agree.

This does not change my point.

[woven siren]

brother ur agreeing with him 😭😭

he said doom ISN'T christian

[icy relic]

That means it is not Christian however Doom guy is Catholic

[feral plover]

I'm not saying Doom is Christian.

[icy relic]

I meant to reply to that anime girl pfp

Da_Luci

[woven siren]

did it better than hazbin hotel

[feral plover]

I'm saying the memes about how it's a Christian game because you kill demons were thrown out by Eternal because Eternal posits that the Slayer kinda hates the entire thing.

The Slayer's actions can be interpreted as hostility against religious institutions as a whole.

[icy relic]

By?

[feral plover]

By me lol. By the player.

Art is meant to be interpreted. This is an interpretation.

[icy relic]

I do not understand why ppl call Doom a Christian game, have they even read the lore?

[feral plover]

It makes sense when talking about the originals, but it's just kind of an overplayed meme.

Like most Doom memes, it's overstayed its welcome.

[feral plover]

God I have absolutely no interest in watching that shit lmao

[solar crown]

You literally destroy heaven and kill god

His faith has been blown clean away after argunt d'nur at best

[icy relic]

...

Does the game have Jesus?

And urdak is not heaven and the mayks are high ranking beings

And because you kill god and there is heaven doesnt ultimately makes it a Christian game

The Muslims also have Heaven and their god their Heaven is called Jannah I thinm

@solar crown ?

[solar crown]

Doesn't need to have it to be a christian game. "Christianity" often refers to the wider belief in the most widespread abrahamic belief, highlighted by the fact that most christians don't even follow the full word of christ

[solar crown]

Urdak is 100% heaven in the game's lore. Just look up thenurdak codex entry that specifically calls out urdak meaning "paradise" and "heaven" in the makyr's tongue, and that they have influenced many religions within our part of the milky way

[feral plover]

Luci is correct. Within Doom's canon, most religions are essentially from a warped game of telephone that originated with Urdak.

Humanity made up "heaven" based on whispers of the Argenta's worship of the Maykrs. Humanity descends from the Argenta, so this makes sense.

The Maykrs are the closest thing to "real" Heaven and Angels as Doom gets.

[icy relic]

Those are heretics, deceived and not Christians.

[feral plover]

That's not really how religion works.

Religion is fluid and often determined by how people interpret it.

[solar crown]

When a super-majority of them are like that it works a bit differently in the common tongue

[woven siren]

christian elements != christian imo, it's a matter of definition bc i when i say something is christian i say it has christian themes such as humans having sinful nature, needing to submit to a higher power to save you and to be fulfilled, and messianic stuff

[solar crown]

sounds like doom

[woven siren]

because doom does not endorse christianity in any way shape or form

[solar crown]

1 is the portal guys bringing in hell (sinful nature)
2 and 3 are doomslayer 😎

[woven siren]

true

[solar crown]

i'm still just making fun of people that unironically think that brutal killing = christian game somehow though

[woven siren]

though i personally think we're being little pissies if we take a dumb meme as serious debate

if somebody is actually serious about it though then yeah it's fine

[woven siren]

but it's fine sharing it as a cool fun factoid like "oh, doom, especially eternal, actually has more satanist-leaning themes rather than christian surprisingly"

[mint plinth]

People call doom a christian game only because its about killing demons in the billions. That is it.

10 days till the showcase

[mint plinth]

For the next game, I hope they make Lost Souls meatier. Much like they were in classic. They had 100 hp. In every other game they were just flying projectiles.

They should also be much larger and destructible with more more hp than the Imp.

[umbral viper]

Walking bombs

[winter nexus]

I mean it does use Bible quotes in it's Argenta script, but that's more of a Jewish thing, since theyre from the Torah.

[primal scarab]

Heavy Weapons Dude for the next game?

[lusty sparrow]

I believe TAG 2 set up a decent opportunity for a quake reboot with immora. I want immora after davoth's death to be a setting for a new quake game

[ebon moat]

WTF

[winter nexus]

They've been burning calories.

[winter nexus]

Probably thinks Doom 3 was the classic lol.

[ebon moat]

No. I mean who TF wants to buff Lost Souls. Nobody likes those things lol

[ebon moat]

He is correct that Classic Lost Souls have 100 health though

[icy relic]

lost souls in doom 3 are scary

[winter nexus]

They really don't bother me too much, I mean it's supposed to be a survival horror, so there should be as much scariness as possible, but the lost souls aren't that for me personally.

[elder viper]

How would they incorporate Quake into Immora though?

[lusty sparrow]

Maybe have the plot be that ranger, or a ranger-like player character, was travellings through slip gates and accidentally ended up there

I just think both immora and urdak alike are good opportunities for incorporating lovecraftian plotpoints

[winter nexus]

I'd prefer Quake occupy its own world, with its own environments.

I don't think it needs to borrow areas from Doom.

[elder viper]

If they did want connect Quake and Doom having Shub and her armies be a force beyond Hell would be cool. Like Hell was a necessary evil to keep Shub and other Lovecraftian horrors at bay

That would make Hell not only a constant in every universe but also sort of like it’s own universal law or property that without Hell worse things happen

Would be better than the next Doom villain just being some power hungry weirdo who wants to use Hell as like a super battery or something

[leaden prairie]

I have a distinct and unnerving feeling we are just going to get a more advanced version of doom 3

[foggy seal]

Well it was heavily implied that something worse beyond is out there in Eternal

real question is who or what exactly it gonna be because ending of TAG doesn't seem to be the end

[round valve]

It kind of does though... it feels like the end of a cycle... you start the game in a coffin and the game in the same place... you were initially put there by the demons as a result of a trap... at the end you end up there by the result of your own actions

[foggy seal]

that's the thing, upon closer inspection we have higher beings from beyond and suddenly a lot of potential new threats can be forseen

[sly dagger]

I wonder where it could possibly go by this point.
It's either a reboot again or just go to another dimension.
It would be like Spawn where you had Satan and God duking out only for Spawn to reset the universe and start all over.
They could do like that Spawn,featuring new lords of Hell

[hexed falcon]

i dont like the idea of doom slayer resetting the universe just to do it all over again

[atomic compass]

he didn't reset it

[hexed falcon]

i know but the idea was brought up

i think what they're doing with doom rn is logical, the story of doom is basically finished until someone comes up with an idea for a sequel, so where else can id go but the parts it didnt go over, hence doom the dark ages

[violet igloo]

doom and ultrakill collab

doom guy fights the prime souls

[winter nexus]

By Satan, do you mean Maelbolgia, or was there a second character called Satan? I've only ever read on Spawn comic where he fought against Cinkaid in the guide of a police officer.

[winter nexus]

Yeah, I'm guessing that Davoth was basically middle management, or maybe just a site supervisor.

A general in someone else's army.

[sly dagger]

Malebolgia wasn't Satan,in fact after he dies(momentarely) he gets replaced by Mammon

[winter nexus]

Hmm. I remember there was one before Maelbolgia called Leviathan.

[winter nexus]

I love Spawn, but paradoxically, I'm not really a comic book guy. I just love the movies, the series and the aesthetics.

[sly dagger]

Malebolgia has always been the first villain of Spawn,there were some other demons who are recurring villains such as Violator
But I don't blame you,it does get confusing

[winter nexus]

Sure Maelbolgia was the first villain since Al became Spawn, but I read that Maelbolgia had a predecessor who was the devil before him, which happened pre-Spawn.

[sly dagger]

I should reread it then because I don't remember that

[winter nexus]

I'd like to read them myself, but I find that I always prefer the idea of reading stuff to actually doing so.

[foggy seal]

we're week away from showcase huh

[winter nexus]

Apparently

[livid brook]

The Xbox Showcase?

[winter nexus]

Yeah

[livid brook]

To be honest, I forgot that was happening

[inland rose]

This needs to come out by the end of the year

[winter nexus]

It hasn't even been announced yet.

[foggy seal]

^

we can't be 100% sure that it will be announced either

[winter nexus]

Precisely. If it's not announced next week, and we don't know that it will be, you can be sure that people will shift their prediction to a QuakeCon reveal though.

[sly dagger]

Most likely in late 2025 or 2026

Fuuck Doom 2016 will be 10 years old soon

[winter nexus]

Yeah they could aim to release the next game for Doom 2016's 10th anniversary.

[mint plinth]

One week till showcase!

[ebon moat]

One week until new mid

[woven siren]

cacodemon discourse

[foggy seal]

duality of man

[ebon moat]

Cacodemon of course

[winter nexus]

If they do reveal something on the 9th, that might mean some interesting content being shown at QuakeCon later this summer.

[frosty veldt]

In hours when will be the showcase?

In cet

[winter nexus]

No idea, it's too many to count in hours.

[sly dagger]

In a way I hope Id Software creates a new IP.
Rage didn't really work,Wolfenstein is handled by Machine Games and Quake is beyond dead

Maybe something mech related,considering Hugo Martin worked on the original Pacific Rim

[solar crown]

i'm not betting that hope high, capitalism in gaming shuns trying to make new IPs that may not be as successful when there is still so much steam in DOOM

[sly dagger]

I guess.
Still milking a franchise will eventually make fan get tired of it and run out of ideas.
And so far Dark Ages in co concept feels like we've reached that stage already

[solar crown]

Aslong as the money keeps flowing, maybe if the new doom game fails we have a chance at new IP (though i'm guessing they'l first exhaust quake)

[inland rose]

Have they announced a release date yet

[short mantle]

No.

[inland rose]

What are they waiting for

[mint plinth]

that is what they did last time. Better get a fight to QC