the-future

[woven siren]

so does the doom engine

nice trolling though, keep it up

[low forge]

id tech 1 was a breakthrough at the time of 1993, unlike BE at the time of 1997

BE was bad even for 1995

[woven siren]

yeah build engine was held together by bubblegum and spit but like

looking at them now, engine differences don't matter much

even less when using current ports

[elder viper]

If you find Bloods gameplay confusing that’s a different problem entirely

[runic jungle]

There are a lot of characters that have yet to be reimagined in the doom slayer universe, i.e. the mother demon, Kronos, vios, and maledict.

Some new bosses would be selling points just like the doom hunter.
I figured maledict presented in a similar way, some cyborg dragon with the face of a cherub, crawling around like the mastermind, or flying in a circle around an arena.
Dropping mines that can be used to infight. And eating lesser demons for health. Six weak points to disable the wings, before it reveals a weak point on its chest.

Something like that

[autumn mortar]

The next game should make changing mods not take 100 years

It should be as fast if not faster than changing weapons

[solar crown]

And also actually have the other weapon mods be worth it

[lethal swan]

well in eternal i use both available mods for a bunch of weapons

shotgun autofire is underrated

[solar crown]

it is not

it's DPS is bad, it's ammo gainback isn't important enough to be important

if you're overusing ssg it may be handy but even then it's better to just... not overuse it?

[lethal swan]

it's a good sidegrade to ssg, sure it chews through ammo but you can just spam it at multiple enemies with good damage

[solar crown]

except it absolute does not have "good damage"
it's quite poor, and barely stands up to ssg

it has about the same range iirc and in everything else it's inferior, technically lower dps thought it can kill something inbetween the shots

[lethal swan]

I'm not complaining

[solar crown]

yeah and you don't have to, but "good damage" is jsut straight up not true

it has it's niche with a 4x but that's it

[upper inlet]

Switching mods mid combat was almsot never worth it tbh

Especially shit like the plasma rifle

[autumn mortar]

Cause it was slow and the balance wasn’t there

[steel notch]

Weenor

[autumn mortar]

Hey Critical (how does he spell it)

[mint plinth]

instead of mods perhaps a secondary alt fire?

so you get both!

[autumn mortar]

It’d be more like a tertiary fire

[solar crown]

The mods are already the alt fires though

You'd just remove 1/3rd the potentional weapons if you did that

[lethal swan]

in tag1 it's kinda useful cuz the blast is usually a good bet but you need the microwave beam for the spirits or whatever theyre called

[solar crown]

Problem with heat blast though is you gotta preheat it during hallways or in veryyy quiet times of an arena

[lethal swan]

or just use the plasma rifle for a bit like a makeshift chaingun

[solar crown]

Yeah, a worse chaingun

Which is already a terribly bad weapon

It's not worth it at all to use pr instead of an actual weapon, even if you charge up hb for it

[mint plinth]

well you would just have a mouse button 4 that when pressed down both changes the weapon and begins to fire. Same with Alt fire. Or set it up whowever you feel. People without a 4th mouse button just cry

i also think both grenades should have a dedicted button as well. One less action

[solar crown]

it would make sense if there was more equipment, but with just 2 pieces of equipment having a button to switch doesn't make sense

[strong stratus]

Ancient gods p1 and 2 pretty much conclude most of the story from what I know, so my guess on the next doom game, if there even IS one, would be focused on the past and such cuz I think that'd be interesting idk

[mint plinth]

yah, too bad the lore turned kinda messy

[feral plover]

Or a new slayer, fighting off some new species or smth

[elder viper]

Introducing another slayer is not a good idea. Just make a new character

[clever idol]

You think that it will be another Doom game ?

With a campaign I mean

[solar crown]

Does microsoft like money?

[lethal swan]

microsoft owns everything now

[runic jungle]

I would like the heat blast to set things in fire, or freeze monsters.

[elder viper]

If they keep fire giving armor then it would be a bad idea to have a lot of flame weapons

[clever idol]

They will maybe remove that

[lethal swan]

but some ice weapon that freezes lowtier enemies and you have to punch them to get health or smth

[runic jungle]

i would be fine with ice grenade and flame belch being cut so mods can be more useful

some sort of radical rebalancing

[autumn mortar]

Yet still have no games lol

[elder viper]

Ice Bomb works well enough

[shadow tinsel]

@bethesda would mind adding multiplayer coop pn doom 1993 and doom 2 on ps4?

[next oxide]

Would you play a crossover arena shooter game featuring Microsoft’s FPS all-stars? All generations of Doomguys, Master Chief, B.J. Blazkowicz, to name a few.

Heck, maybe even throw in non-Xbox characters like Gordon Freeman and/or Duke Nukem.

[lethal swan]

super smash bros but non-family-friendly

[next oxide]

And an FPS.

[lethal swan]

that's just gmod

[solar crown]

depends on the gameplay

[woven siren]

qc:de

you absolutely fucking need to play qc:de

it's just missing master chief at this point

it has 31 different fps protagonists, maps from/inspired by lots of different games, and most importantly is a shitload of fun

[vestal veldt]

How bout a dual hexagonal barrel shotty?

Its real.

[solar crown]

what about it

[lethal swan]

that's just a non-automatic chaingun

[stiff sluice]

As an idea for doom eternal, on Australia day or every Australia day (26th Jan) a ned kelly event or a ned kelly armour skin for the slayer?

Or even the week Australia day is in for more time

[solar crown]

Game hasn't gotten updates for years

[stiff sluice]

Really?

I thought they did events and stuff for it

Might just keep re doing events

That's alright tho

It was a good idea

[feral lake]

Yeah ever since update 6.66 there hasn't been new content

[short mantle]

It's not a "Live Service Fortnite Battlepass Season 3872462"-Game.
Its a finished experience.

[stiff sluice]

I just thought after the dlc Bethesda and Id just chucked in some random events and skins

Or one little team worked on skins

[short mantle]

Thats not how the industry works where you "just have a team" for content.

No constant money flow into the game, no content.

[stiff sluice]

Then sonic team is a big old nothing burger

Jk but still

[short mantle]

Im glad they arent milking the doom franchise with microtransactions, battlepasses and all that ugly bullshit

[lethal swan]

i dont think DE necessarily needs anything more

[stiff sluice]

Yeah true

[lethal swan]

sure skins are cool but at the end of the day they don't matter

[short mantle]

^

[stiff sluice]

I can see what you're talking about

[lethal swan]

another expansion would be cool but ofc they take a lot of time and effort

[stiff sluice]

Yeah

[solar crown]

yeah they sure are absent!!!

[short mantle]

Yeah true

[stiff sluice]

But the dlc did it's job

[lethal swan]

ye i gotta beat them finally

[stiff sluice]

Added more stuff and that was it

[lethal swan]

im stuck on a slayer gate

[stiff sluice]

On dlc

[short mantle]

Just shoot everything that moves

ez

[lethal swan]

what an idea, why didn't i think of that!

[short mantle]

[stiff sluice]

Even yourself?

[short mantle]

hol up

[lethal swan]

no, remain stationary

[short mantle]

Become a tower. Be the tower.

[lethal swan]

if you dont move they won't see you, 100% trust

[stiff sluice]

But that's how you survive

[lethal swan]

just kill them before they kill you ezzzz

[stiff sluice]

You keep moving

[lethal swan]

no that's just bethesdian propaganda

[stiff sluice]

Ok then

[short mantle]

But yeah, its a thin line between content updates and predatory monetization

[lethal swan]

there's a hard to get balance between effort and monetary gain

that's worth doing

[stiff sluice]

I'm not expecting gargantuan updates for eternal that's not what I want

But bits and pieces would be fine

[lethal swan]

ray tracer ballista skin 😍 wish they made them for other weapons

[stiff sluice]

True tho

[short mantle]

DOOM Eternal launched without any skin packs from prior seasons, no DLC available at launch and made like what?
Over $450 Million in Revenue in 9 Months?

[lethal swan]

but ig ssg doesn't need one cuz its already shiny asf

[short mantle]

[lethal swan]

enough to buy a doom 2 license to free yourself from an eternity with all the other freeloaders

[short mantle]

It was also the best-selling game on Steam during its release week, with over 100,000 concurrent players

[stiff sluice]

Imagine if Bethesda went down the Activision route

[short mantle]

[lethal swan]

but they caaaaan go the valve route

officializing community content is cool

[stiff sluice]

But the devs know what they're doing because they have a functioning brain and doesn't A D D H O M E L A N D E R I N A C O D G A M E

[stiff sluice]

Valve, steam, Bethesda, Id

[lethal swan]

valve is id's apprentice and now id can steal ideas from them

[stiff sluice]

And sonic adventure era sega

My favourite game companies

Nintendo is money hungry that makes you pay another subscription to play online on top of the one you're already paying and made the Nintendo 64 controller

But they made some good games

[lethal swan]

nintendo's online services are a joke

[stiff sluice]

Ikr

[lethal swan]

the sole reason i've not touched my switch since 2019

[stiff sluice]

I have a switch oled

I play it whenever I travel

But when I found out about the online subscription I wanted to throw it out

Bc I rarely played it I never noticed the online tab until the end of last year

[lethal swan]

i dont even have games on switch just like minecraft which barely runs and smm2

smm2 which i cant play cuz no online

[stiff sluice]

"Hey guys our team at Nintendo hq want to give you the best gaming experience by making you pay another subscription to play online"

Also if it's anything I've learnt about Nintendo

When you go onto the online shop

This excludes discounts for a limited amount of time

But once you see a game on the online shop that is 60 bucks

It stays 60 bucks

Never goes down, never will go down

[autumn mortar]

It’s Microsoft now and judging from what I’ve heard about Halo Infinite it wouldn’t surprise me.

[stiff sluice]

I don't think halo isn't gonna last another decade in the gaming industry

I'm not being biased at all when I say that

I feel like halo is a pretty solid franchise

But it's just getting at that point where they are getting influenced by Activision

[autumn mortar]

Halo fell off when 343 took over

All the management at that studio should be fired tbh

Halo 3 will forever be the goat

[stiff sluice]

Hell yeah

Halo was a really good franchise

Should it have been a trilogy?

Probably

If we could foresee the future

I know people who fanboy halo

And because I think the reason why valve wouldn't release another game when one of their series started before 2010 like tf, portal, half life

Everyone says valve can't count to 3 even though it's probably for the best

If half life 3 came out in a couple months and it was cyberpunk 2077 level disappointing then

It kinda speaks for itself

[coral tendon]

I want new doom eternal 😭

[solar crown]

make a new steam account and buy eternal again on sale

should be 24 bucks if you go premium

[lethal swan]

[coral tendon]

Not funny

https://tenor.com/view/doom-slayer-doom-doom-eternal-gif-26362412

[next oxide]

Fun fact: Bungie actually didn't want a Halo 2 let alone Halo 3. Of course, it can't be denied that they're legendary games.

[stiff sluice]

Hell no

They're good

[next oxide]

After finishing Combat Evolved, Bungie basically wanted to move on to new titles.

But I'm glad H2 and H3 were made.

[stiff sluice]

Yeah dude

Halo is a great franchise

[fleet mauve]

[stiff sluice]

I think the problem halo is having now is that they're trying too hard

[vale depot]

hopefully the future includes being a guest in Mortal Kombat 1

i honestly want that more than a new doom game

[winter nexus]

For real, I was hoping that during the height of MK11. I remember when everyone thought it was Ed Boon under the Slayer's helmet that once, was it at QuakeCon or somewhere like that?

I'm still waiting for them to tell us what the Slayer was doing in between 2016 and Eternal. I was hoping that they could use Mighty Doom to play around with that story arc, since we never got the comic book that Hugo mentioned.

[winter nexus]

I mean I think we all want a sequel, although some people preferred Doom 2016 and would want something tonally and atmospherically more in line with that release. I guess it's about id finding the sweet spot but Hugo said that he reads absolutely everything on social media, however he also said that it doesn't mean that he's going to give the people everything they want. I just hope they don't try to completely reboot a good thing.

[solar crown]

I mean anything relevant we already know

Got the slayer fortress, killed a guardian

[winter nexus]

I mean we can deduce that, however it would've been interesting to experience that through the eyes of the Slayer.

[solar crown]

If they tried to make an entire game for that part it would feel too much like filler, where nothing new is really being told

[winter nexus]

They could've just started Doom Eternal from exactly where Doom 2016 left off.

[solar crown]

Could yeah, but we're long past that

[winter nexus]

But I like the way Eternal turned out nonetheless.

There's probably little that I'd have done differently, however I would've added the option of whether to destroy Davoth's sphere or the Father's sphere, leading to different outcomes, but don't listen to me, I'm just a back-seat driver that knows next to nothing about actually developing games.

[solar crown]

Doom isn't a story focused enough game to feature choises

[winter nexus]

Doom's still pretty full of lore despite that and I'd have still loved to have seen what would've happened if he had've destroyed the sphere that he was supposed to, just for shits and giggles.

[solar crown]

Full of lore =/= good story or story focused

Tag2's story was extremily rushed, dividing it in 2 would make it even more bastardized

Also destroying davoth's sphere wouldve done absolutely nothing except.... maintain the status qou

[winter nexus]

I didn't mind TAG2, it didn't take itself too seriously, it was a bit comical with the mallet etc.

[solar crown]

I don't mind something not taking itself seriously, but i do mind writing yourself in a corner, retconning shit, and wasted potentional

[winter nexus]

What did they retcon, I can't rememeber?

[solar crown]

The lore entries basically going "nuh uh" to the tag1 entries

Can't remember which parts exactly

[elder viper]

Yeah but they fucked up the lore

Davoth should not have been a DLC only enemy considering his presence within Dooms lore

I would rather it be Samur.

[coral tendon]

Why did 2016 succeed more than eternal.I mean doom eternal is known worldwide!

[winter nexus]

I just see it as all part of the same narrative, I don't separate the DLC from the main campaign in my head canon.

[winter nexus]

I wouldn't say that it did succeed more, at least no commercially, only that some preferred 2016 whereas others preferred Eternal. I'm guessing that people are used to the dichotomy of either being in the UAC facilities or being in Hell, just like in classic Doom, Doom 3 and 2016, whereas there are a lot more environs in Doom 2 and Eternal, which are less monotone or monochromatic.

[solar crown]

It's more that people just get a hard on for "gritty and realistic!!" And don't like it when games are gamey

[lethal swan]

having a unique, non-realistic artstyle is so fucking cool

take tf2 as an example, it still looks spectacular 16 years after release

if you look at "realistic" games from 2007 they look bad nowadays

full on theming makes games basically timeless

[elder viper]

What I mean is Davoths role in TAG2 and his boss right where poorly designed due to the fact he was regulated to a DLC on an already tight deadline

If he was put into a full game with a longer development time I believe it would have been WAY better

[autumn mortar]

Olivia Pierce put up more of a fight despite being crippled lol

Davoth is such a joke

[feral plover]

To be fair they only had 6 months to make the boss fight as well as everything else

[solar crown]

yeah and they could have just made you not fight the literal devil who is also god

or rather just a very strong demon in an arena

instead of big circle with big marauder

[feral plover]

It was a wasted opportunity they should've saved davoth

[uncut trench]

Balogna sandwich

[autumn mortar]

Isn’t the same true for tag 1?

[ivory prism]

Do you guys think the crucible will come back?

[autumn mortar]

I hope not it’s a boring weapon

I’d honestly prefer the hammer as long as they bother to balance it properly

[ivory prism]

I never used it in doom eternal i just saved those for the super heavies in the icon of sin fight

[feral plover]

i used it like twice it takes away the fun of murder

[autumn mortar]

I think everyone uses it for that

[low forge]

Davoth is the best boss in all of doom

[foggy seal]

pre-nerf marauder was way more of a threat than he is

[torpid forge]

will there be a new doom because ive grinded all dooms like 10,000 hours total and i would be stoked to grine a new one

[dull bane]

idk if its official but i think its doom: year zero

[elder viper]

There will be a new Doom but we don’t know much about it

[torpid forge]

Ahh thank you for the feed back

[autumn mortar]

Marauder wasn’t nerfed

[foggy seal]

He was, his attack speed is so slow now

[autumn mortar]

Must be an issue on your end cause I’ve played since 1.0 and he has definitely not been nerfed

[foggy seal]

yeah yeah sure, whatever you believe in 👍

[autumn mortar]

Looking it up online he only got a battlemode nerf

The only thing I can find is apparently an update made fps not affect the marauder as much

[woven siren]

might be

best u can do atm is mods lol

[solar crown]

Microsoft likes money too much for them to bench doom

[torpid forge]

lol

[autumn mortar]

They don’t like it enough to make a good Halo though lol

[unreal hazel]

Well they tried, not sure it worked out lol.

[autumn mortar]

Idk it feels like they made people applying for management take iq tests and whoever scored the lowest became management at 343.

[unreal hazel]

Fr. The live service bp treatment will never work with halo. The competitive scene is thriving tho so halo infinite still has a shot of getting 343 some cash.

I want to say that I miss bungie but they have been kinda fucking it up with destiny.

[autumn mortar]

I’m pretty sure there’s no split screen cause management is so inept they don’t think it’s possible and don’t let the actual competent devs try.

[unreal hazel]

There is! I remember playing split screen with a friend on launch.

[autumn mortar]

I pretty sure people had to hack it in

[unreal hazel]

Maybe it was a pc issue? I played it on xbox on release and split-screen worked fine.

But that does sound like something 343 would do lol.

[autumn mortar]

I don’t remember the specifics its been awhile it’s probably pretty easy to find online

[unreal hazel]

Just searched it up. It was available on console exclusively. You had to use 2 xbox accounts to play split-screen on xbox, and since it was impossible to use more than one xbox account on pc it did not work at all.

Definitely sounds like something 343 would do.

[autumn mortar]

Is split-screen same console

[unreal hazel]

Yeah.

Only on console tho.

[autumn mortar]

The fact you can’t use a guest account is baffling

Not even to mention not being on pc

[elder viper]

Guest accounts are so weird. A friend of mine and played through all of Gear of War 1 (the remastered edition) on spit screen and when we tried to do Gears 2 it didn’t work no matter whata

Is there even a remastered edition of Gears 2? We couldn’t find mention of one

[solar crown]

Well game studios aren't incentivised to make good games anyways

Plus they never asked when the next good game got out

[autumn mortar]

It probably would’ve sold better, the old Halo games all had massive launches

[solar crown]

Yeah, but how much more momey would that have cost?
Also, mtx make a buttload of money. Especially since it's on gamepass

[autumn mortar]

343 is so inefficient that they spend a comical amount of money and still make mid games at best. So honestly less if they were competent.

[solar crown]

Competent devs still don't need to make good games

[autumn mortar]

Most competent devs do but bad management makes it not possible

[solar crown]

No, they do not
They can make good games, but they certainly are not incentiviced to make good games

Unless they are indie, then you kinda have to
But if you're working on a big brand? Making good games is almost detrimental

[wary saddle]

Of course studios are. You make more money when games sell well.

[elder viper]

Take a look at the recent cod games

[wary saddle]

I haven't played a COD game since Black Ops 1, not my thing. Reviews seem pretty solid for last years Modern Warfare II, even if the one from this week isn't doing well, so that means someone likes them and thinks that some of them are good. Sometimes games we don't think are good, other people think they are good and keep buying them, taste is subjective. That said, when people think games are bad, they stop buying them. When people stop buying, changes happen. For big franchises, that takes longer because some people will just keep buying hoping the next one will be the one that rights the ship, but changes and cancellations will happen if quality stays low. Even Madden has started to suffer sales issues and they started to make changes.

[lethal swan]

when you've got a popular franchise you don't need to make good games

FIFA

[wary saddle]

It won't stay popular if your fans don't think they are good. FIFA/Sports FC reviews aren't that bad the last two years, so it stays popular. If quality dips... well I remember when Winning Eleven was the big soccer title and there's a reason you never hear anyone talk about eFootball, the most recent incarnation of Winning Eleven.

[elder viper]

There is no doubt there are people who still enjoy CoD but as each new game has come out but looking at sales and player charts CoD is on a decline. Titles like Warzone, Warzone II, MWII, and now MWIII have all been met with wide spread criticism. MWIII has overall mixed reviews and mostly negative recent reviews on Steam, Warzone has mostly negative recent and overall reviews, while MWII has a whopping Overwhelmingly negative reviews both recently and overall.

[wary saddle]

Well, if sales are on a decline because they aren't liked, then that affirms my point. Sales are falling because the fans don't think they are good.

[elder viper]

Triple A studios aren’t bothered with making full products. They’ll release half baked projects and slowly patch them as time goes on. Some games can fix themselves over time like for example Cyberpunk and No Mans Sky both did this but there are companies like Bethesda who clearly don’t give a shit and then you get stuff like Fallout 76

[wary saddle]

Cyberpunk didn't fix itself, CDPR fixed it to improve sales (which they had to do between the refunds and class action lawsuit settlement) and make sure they didn't tank their next title with a bad rep of releasing broken games and leaving them broken. They are a lot smaller than EA and Activision, can't afford to release bad games and leave them that way.

[solar crown]

Lol this is literally not true

A good game will be finished on release and contains no predatory MTX

Having a game be actually finished means you have to hold it in production longer and spend more money polishing it which is bad, better to send it out whilst it's broken as people love to buy it in anyways

Predatory mtx ensure you get a buttload of money from items you barely spend effort in, cause of whales and some people that will buy some things anyways

Good games can be great hits but they will NOT rake in the money some absolute shitstains can make

That's why the mobile sector is the most profitable gaming sector there is, it basically perfected the predatory mtx

[wary saddle]

This sounds like a definition based on morality rather than enjoyment.

I'm just looking at good game as "Do I enjoy playing this?" I think Cyberpunk 2077 is a good game, even if it wasn't finished on time and was released too broken on some platforms to be playable. The Witcher 3 was fairly broken on release too.

[solar crown]

Enjoyment is so subjective and dicerse you can't really measure much to it

People can enjoy the most bland pieces of media possible, even if those games are objectively garbage

[wary saddle]

When a game is finished is arguably subjective as well. This doesn't sound like a helpful definition. Super Mario Bros was full of bugs, that was part of the fun. Was Nintendo immoral for releasing it back in 1985?

[wary saddle]

This is the issue. There is no objectively garbage. You have your taste, other people have theirs. People enjoying Madden or COD doesn't mean they like bland objectively garbage pieces of media, it just means they like things you don't. Some people aren't bothered by microtransactions, it's on them (or their parents). I don't mind a game being a bit buggy at release as long as it's playable and gets fixed.

[solar crown]

Idk man but games that hire psychiators to try to maximize the amount of people they can pressure into buying digital tokens is pretty objectivally garbage

Also doesn't this shoot your idea in the foot too, with "games need to be good to make more money" if you then can't even measure better?

[analog zodiac]

year zero

[solar crown]

Likely canceled

[short mantle]

I hope its just "pushed back"

[feral plover]

no meathook next game?

[elder viper]

Yeah but Nintendo didn’t release Super Mario in a nearly unplayable state. All games have bugs that’s just a fact but more and more games release with either game breaking issues or a lot A LOT of smaller bugs that should have been caught and fixed before launch.

[wary saddle]

Long term a series needs to be "good" in the sense that people enjoy playing it. Not in the moral sense of being good that you are talking about. If people enjoy Fortnite with it's microtransactions, then Epic will keep making money.

[solar crown]

then games don't need to really be "good", they just need to be good enough which is kinda different

[analog zodiac]

they better keep it
i abused tf out of the super shotgun (the ultimate weapon)

[feral plover]

it's just so good for the movement

[woven siren]

the people behind the game r garbage there honestly

[woven siren]

yeah

[dim echo]

wasnt there some leak about a new doom game?

[foggy seal]

yeah and best state project in question can be described with is "unknown"

[solar crown]

Yeah timeline from a few years ago, new doom alongside dishonered 3 would release this year

We haven't even gotten a teaser for either, so yeah likely not much gonna happen

[elder viper]

Still don’t trust Arkane with a Dishonored 3

[solar crown]

i trust the deathloop studio which would be tasked with it

i personally didn't like prey from the other studio so eh for that and redfall was just a disaster they didn't even want to work on iirc

[elder viper]

Deathloop was ok but there AI needs serious work there mechanics on the other hand where well done and fun to play with.

[clever bear]

Relatively small thing I’d like to see future Doom games do is make cheat codes remained unlocked across save files and can toggle them when starting a save so you can effectively use them as a way to make a harder version of Nightmare that’s really interesting. Kinda like skulls is Halo. For similar reasons I’d also like to see more cheats that make things harder rather than easier.

[autumn mortar]

I heard mixed things about Deathloop

[solar crown]

It's not a great game and has flaws
But it's certainly not bad, wouldn't even really call it mid

[autumn mortar]

Weaker than their prior games still like Dishonored

I want that Arkane back

[solar crown]

I'm sorry

[autumn mortar]

Lol

[timid shadow]

I'm still hoping that the next doom game will have a snapmap.

[near ridge]

I couldn't figure out how to use snapmap

[dull bane]

mario maker but american

[feral plover]

When you think the next DOOM game will realese? I think in the next 3-4 years nothing new will come because the end of eternal ancient god 2 was pretty endy xD

[brave cove]

I think if they, instead of releasing a new game, created and released official modding tools(that can edit level geometry and allow for creating levels in a 3D editor as opposed to editing .entity files) and sold them to modders, then the interest in this game might return. Just look at original doom/minecraft/gmod/geometry dash, these ancient games are still very much kept alive by community created content.
But that will probably never happen due to proprietary licensing. Still, if they made a kickstarter goal for making that happen, many people will pay.

[elder viper]

It’s far to late for a major update like that. It’ll have to be the next game if we want full mod support at this stage

[mint plinth]

small chance we see what is being worked on at the game rewards which is also 30th Doom bday

I also hope for a DLC for Doom 2016 that explains the events between games. You get the 2016 styel combat and weapons with perhaps Prowler and Harvester as new enemies. Final boss will be Deag Nilox guardian.

Never giong ot happen

[pure kestrel]

Is there any chance the Doom sequel will include a co-op character to play alongside DoomSlayer?
Like Phobos, Crash
I saw that both have a story that happens in parallel to the events of Doomslayer.
I believe it would be possible to tell some very interesting prequel story DLCs with them and then include them to play as a team.

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Phobos_(character)#:~:text=According to information from the,demon-haunted tunnels on Phobos.

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Crash

[feral plover]

The sequel will have to be a prequel they sealed the story of doom

[feral plover]

Also smash

[fleet ocean]

If we get news, it'll probably be some kinda remaster or something. Maybe they'll do something with community map packs and doom 1 and 2

[woven siren]

which one

[brave cove]

Sadly, the next game won't be doom eternal 2 as id said that they never make the same game twice. It's a foregone conclusion at this point.

If the same formula were to be repeated over and over again, you would end up with far cry/cod

[solar crown]

Not if they actually refine it

[brave cove]

It's possible that they will. That's the best we can hope for(for an easily moddable doom eternal)

(Of course, that's assuming that fix the licensing problems. Game development requires huge amounts of middleware whose licensing issues they have to solve. That's also not getting into the megatexture things that they use to optimize, which would be very difficult for modders to do as it requires a very powerful computer, although we probably don't need mod support on that level.)

Basically, they bake all the level's textures into one absolutely gigantic texture file that the game then loads in chunks when needed. This lets the developers use much higher resolution textures and much higher variety of them when designing the levels. Instead of loading a few dozen, or sometimes a hundred, 2k/4k res textures into memory seperately for each section of the level, the game just pulls parts of one large texture depending on what you look at at the moment. That texture also includes baked lighting information (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and decals, which they used in massive quantities in Rage to get rid of texture repetition in large open fields. This tech is called Megatextures.

Megatexture baking most likely requires ridiculously powerful computers, so that's why we haven't gotten any editors for Idtech in over a decade. The final size of the megatexture ranges in tens of thousands of pixels.

[brave cove]

They have huge server farms to calculate all permutations of the lighting beforehand, which is unfeasable for modders.
(Of course, this is much more complicated when dynamic lighting is involved, cough cough flashlights, gunfire lighting)

[solar crown]

I thought eternal didn't use thosr

[brave cove]

From what I heard, Doom and Rage uses them, not sure about eternal.

[brave cove]

As I understand it, Megatextures successor, Virtual Textures, is still something that we will increasingly see in future games, especially as VR becomes more prevalent.

(Nvm, it's already in UE4)

[feral plover]

Crash

[feral plover]

I honestly think ID won't make another doom at least for a long time. They can't go forward so it would just have to be a prequel

[clever bear]

There’s no real reason they can’t go forward with a depowered Slayer. A depowered Slayer who relies a bit more on the praetor suit actually sounds like fun

[feral plover]

True but like what would the story line be hell is sealed for good the only person to break though the seal was davoth and he's dead

Doom slayer is sealed until he is needed again

Which won't be ever unless davoth magically comes back to life

[clever bear]

They’ve already talked about the next game having a more Lovecraftian tone, and a force breaking the seal isn’t impossible. They could even pull a Doom 64 and have a new antagonist clone their own demons that wouldn’t be affected by the seal. Remember that the lore is ultimately a justification for the levels and setpieces, not the heart of the series

[feral plover]

the wraiths could get involved somehow. Wait actually that would be a fire story line doom slayer fighting the wraiths

[feral plover]

Lol that's true the lore exist just to explain what the fuck you're doing

[clever bear]

Cloned demons would also be a really good excuse to come up with new demon designs that look horrifically mutated and mishapen.

[feral plover]

Yeah

Or just have a game where Daisy and doom guy go on adventures

[clever bear]

In general Doom’s lack of body horror in the monster designs always felt like a bit of a missed opportunity to me. Doom 64 does at least some with that, but I’d love to see stuff like a heavy demon that is a dozen zombies melded together into a walking mass of limbs and heads

[agile bane]

Let's not get into horror,shall we?
I mean,doom 64 is good,but god forbid third installment of series.. it's not...that bad to me? Something for someone,i quess,and doom and horror isn't mixing well because slayer, y'now,exists
And no matter how mishapen and scary demons gonna look, he is gonna tear 'em apart anyway

[feral plover]

Doom 3 is more horror like

[elder viper]

They will make another Doom game but I’m not expecting DOOM Eternal 2

[clever bear]

By body horror, I don’t mean making a horror game. I mean just making the monster designs really freaky

[elder viper]

Would be great for a Quake game

I feel like Dooms demons have a set design that they all follow new and old but Quakes monsters have the opportunity to be more outlandish in there designs

[clever bear]

Modern Doom pulls as much from Quake as it does from classic Doom, so I really doubt there will ever be a Quake 5. Doom 64 is probably as far as the Doom series has deviated from their normal demon designs, and even relatively minor deviations like imps having the wrong number of arms or pinkies having baron horns where their eyes should be would go a long way to making them feel “wrong”

So less new creatures and more like the classics recreated but something went horribly wrong in their development

[elder viper]

Pinky with horns where it’s eyes should be sounds really cool ngl

[elder viper]

I do like this idea

[wary saddle]

I think Quake 5 is certainly possible. I think a new IP is more likely, but I don't doubt them trying to hit the nostalgia hype after how successful the Doom and Wolfenstein games have been the last 10 years and in it's day Quake 1 was a pretty massive hit.

[mint plinth]

I need more doom

[pure kestrel]

On reflection, a prequel makes perfect sense to introduce these two characters.

[feral plover]

Yeah

[runic jungle]

I just don't understand why the game is called eternal, canonizing all fan content, and then claiming the story is over.

[woven siren]

...canonizing all fan content?

[clever bear]

The story isn’t over. At most the Davoth arc is over.

[woven siren]

when and how did eternal do that

[clever bear]

Doom will return, but the Dark Lord probably won’t. That last part is a shame given how much unexplored potential the character concept had

[elder viper]

And the fact he was ACTUAL God, and was the literal ruler of Hell and was relegated to a DLC.

They should have 100% saved his character

[solar crown]

And the throwaway line of "he is you, in their world

[elder viper]

RIGHT. Davoth was NOT DLC antagonist material

[brave cove]

Imagine he faked his death.

[solar crown]

i would hate that so fucking much

tag2 was shaky af with the story, and now you want to go "oh but he didn't actually die!!!" 🤮

[brave cove]

Or maybe he was just a puppet being controlled by the actual God.

[solar crown]

which would also be shit cause then you go "well he wasn't the real god!!!"

which they are already setting up with changing davoth's screach with the khan makyrs death being changed back to "unnamed voice"

[brave cove]

Or maybe the father was the real God all along but he didn't say so because reasons.

Let's undo the plot twist! And make it another plot twist.

[solar crown]

ew

[brave cove]

I think there will be a God in some form. Either that, or we get Chuthlu and Lovecraft(which would also include a God in some form)

[solar crown]

God already was there, it was davoth

[brave cove]

Not that, one which is alive.

[solar crown]

yeah, the godawful idea of a Megagod

[brave cove]

Mega Mega God when?

[solar crown]

if the next game decides to fuck over and rush the story even harder

[elder viper]

There are beings above Davoth which means there is something higher then God in the Doom universe. Though I feel like there making that ONLY because Davoth was such a disappointment

[solar crown]

oh, they did
you don't just somehow change the name of a "mysterious voice" to davoth when davoth is revealed, then all conveniently change it when you retcon your story

[runic jungle]

He looked cool AF

It didn't help that the hell troopers were so irrelevant

That final level was very short too

[solar crown]

Visuals where the only thing tag2 really could try

[clever bear]

I still love Tag2 despite its issues. In addition to being quite pretty, the admittedly broken hammer is an absolute blast to use, and it has pretty fun combat arenas.

[teal flicker]

wasnt it confirmed that the mysterious voice after khan maykrs death isnt davoth

or am i wrong

[clever bear]

Idk. I can’t even hear the mysterious voice in the cutscene

[teal flicker]

it says noooo !!!

and its never brought up again lmfao

[clever bear]

Yeah I’m vaguely aware of it but I can’t hear it for some reason

[solar crown]

Well it was, untill it was retconned with tag2

[teal flicker]

Wdym

[solar crown]

the mysterios voice was davoth, but with tag2 it was retconned cause it was a "bug"

[teal flicker]

Oh ya

Idk if it was actually a bug lmaooo it doesn’t really seem like it

[elder viper]

the devs just wrote themselves into a corner

[next oxide]

The Slayer deserves a good conclusion, ending with a huge bang, after everything that happened to him.

Maybe as his greatest gift of defying Hell for eons, he can have his beloved Daisy back.

However DOOM can go on forever. There'll always be more stories to tell.

[clever bear]

For better and worse, Doom is the Slayer’s story now. Id has spent more than 7 years solidifying him as the face of the franchise, and the one time they tried to leave the established Doomguy behind (Doom 3) was walked back, so it’s way too late to retire him

[winter nexus]

They'd be doing a disservice to just lose the Slayer at this point. I could see them doing the next game with Commander Valen as the main or something like that, but it'd still feel underwhelming unless he was somehow more OP.

[next oxide]

I’d love a new DOOM RPG (no, really) or a DOOM 3/ODST styled game taking place between 2016 and Eternal.

[foggy seal]

odst styled game would be sick actually

[elder viper]

If they made a Quake reboot I could see a way they could possibly slightly intertwine it with Doom and even a way to free the Slayer

unless they decide to just retcon TAG2 in the next game

[gusty palm]

[clever bear]

Giving the Slayer a break for one game (essentially doing a Doom 3 esque side story) could work, and that would certainly be a move I’d approve. Maybe remaking Doom 3 in a way that embraces the horror elements the original flirted with

[lethal swan]

honestly a fallout rpg type quake game

would go unreasonably hard

[low forge]

he got the end he deserved

doom tag ending is perfect

leave the slayer and doom alone

the eternal battle is over

[solar crown]

well, doom doesn't need to be let alone

[low forge]

yes, you can still play it

[solar crown]

yeah, and ID can still make games set in it

[next oxide]

He is resting however.

[low forge]

Id can, but they better come up with a new way to squeeze money out of the franchise

[foggy seal]

tag ending feels rather underwhelming

[solar crown]

a new to make money from.... a game franchise?
new as in... not a game?

[low forge]

I don't think id software would have ended the tag like that if they wanted to continue making more money from doom

[solar crown]

who says new games have to take place after tag2

plus it was quite a bad way to end it.... retconning the retconning wouldn make the story even more stupid but eh

[dark anchor]

will doom guy have demon slaves in the next game?

if it does

i recomend calling it
Doom back to work

[fallen marsh]

Huh?

[clever bear]

Doom lore ultimately exists to justify where you’re fighting and whatever shenanigans you’re getting up to. They can (and almost certainly will) make new games that experiment with the formula in new and exciting ways. The story just needs to accommodate whatever new ideas they introduce

“They shouldn’t make new Doom games because the ending of TAG was a good sendoff” is a weird take on multiple levels, even disregarding the questionable storytelling of TAG. This series has never existed to tell a story; the story has always been secondary to and in service to the gameplay

My biggest hope for the next game personally is that the weapons have more interesting utility and automatic weapons are good for something. That and dialing back the speed and complexity a little. Like still be much faster and more aggo than Halo or something, but less so than Eternal

[solar crown]

i definitely don't wanta dial back in complexity, it should go further
doom eternal wasn't a crazily complex game, it was just more complex compared to most fps that are just kinda easy on the brain

[clever bear]

I’m generally of the opinion that I’d rather see a game get a lot of depth from a relatively simple ruleset than rely on a more complex ruleset. Though to be clear I don’t mean less possibility space or options; I just mean fewer simultaneous moving parts to keep track of. Emergent complexity, for example the many ways different weapons in Ultrakill can synergize if you get creative with them, is usually great.
The bigger thing for me is I feel Eternal is as fast as Doom should get (I’d even say it occasionally crosses a line into too fast territory). It’s harder to have high impact decisions at that speed without being absurdly difficult.

[valid orbit]

I'm hoping the next entry is less focused on quick swap and dash, bringing us new mechanics to master

[solar crown]

aslong as you kinda need the complexity on higher difficulties, and not that you're actually punished for playing in the more fun way
which, with how they wanted to design eternal, i don't think will happen

[novel crescent]

Hi

[elder viper]

I feel like it should be kept just explained better to the player

[solar crown]

or rather, fully forseen as proepr mechanic

[winter nexus]

I mean I'm all for id waiting for the tech to improve before taking a stab at making a new game, however Doom and more-so id Software in general is a legacy brandname which a lot of others owe their existence or inspiration to, so I think Doom should always have some kind of presence in modern gaming.

[solar crown]

theres not really any tech that needs to be improved though for this theoretical new doom, idk what they could possibly do what would require.... a breakthrough in hard or software ware

[winter nexus]

No necessarily but I doubt they'd want to release a new game that resembles 2016 or Eternal too much either. Sometimes it's a good idea to sit and wait a while to see what new developments can be taken advantage of so as to create a rift between the old and the new in performance.

[solar crown]

that doesn't at all require new tech. That only needs a new vision in "culture"

[teal flicker]

u have a point but the graphics being similar to eternal wouldnt really be resembling it too much

it wont resemble eternal at all if they use new ideas and environments

[distant marsh]

I could imagine them possibly leaning more into the DoomVR angle they tried in 2017, if only to give us a more episodic type of feel as Classic Doom did in its freeware days, how they could follow up after AGp2 though,

[winter nexus]

Yeah but I'd want to be able to have a completely new experience that we're not currently able to have. Perhaps even using AI to generate enemies whereby no two look exactly alike, merely the same species. Possibly even other stuff that I personally can't even envision.

[winter nexus]

VR has been around for so long but it's still so underdeveloped. It had the potential to really go places, but I think the current Doom VR stuff felt lacklustre and underwhelming. My friend who let me play his Doom VR happens to be the CEO of a company that combine VR with electrical muscle stimulation used for workouts. Implementing stuff like that to FPS games could be cool, to simulate the feeling of actually carrying all that weaponry.

[fiery pine]

are there any reliable leaks for a sequel to doom eternal on the making?

[teal flicker]

i mean there was the doom year zero leak

which was leaked on a federal document so pretty reliable but thats it

[distant marsh]

And didn’t they say at this most recent Quakecon that they’re stepping back from Doom to revive and/or continue their other IPs? (Hence why the Quake and Quake 2 remakes were all the hype when they were released)

[atomic compass]

Wasn’t it Nightdive that mainly worked on the remakes/remasters though? I don’t think id had anything to do with the remasters, I think they were the ones to approve them

Different series and companies now, but it’s like Taxman and Stealth on the Sonic CD to Sonic 1/2/3 remakes, as Sonic Team/SEGA approved them

Which is what I’m guessing what was occurring with the Quake 1 and 2 remasters

[clever bear]

Yeah Id don’t handle the remasters and such themselves. It is possible that they’re using the remasters to bring some attention back to the series in preparation for a new Quake, but that seems unlikely to me

[elder viper]

I am FIENDING for a new Quake

[atomic compass]

The Fiend

We need a Quake 1 sequel

How can Quake 2 receive Quake 4 while we never got a sequel for Quake 1

It doesn’t make any sense

[lethal swan]

quake 3

[manic pumice]

quakee 2 got remaster aaamzzing but were is quake 4 : (

[lethal swan]

same place as doom 3

gone

[marsh merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doomguy-doom-slayer-stare-doom-eternal-gif-2184555475206351711

[formal solar]

i wouldn't say squeezing money out of the franchise.
it's not like they release new DOOM game every year like cod did.

[winter nexus]

Maybe next year.

[manic pumice]

ya i doubt but i love to stream

but idk i csnt reach no1 on discord an i dont got that llong doc say 1 month i think any min im dead

[low forge]

Bro 💀

[winter nexus]

I mean I doubt it's forgotten about, they're just working their way through the series.

[low forge]

but they will not have time to make a remaster of q4 in 1 year, considering that they spent 2 times more time on q2r

[winter nexus]

I mean it's a old game so I doubt they're in a hurry, but I don't doubt that it'll emerge again.

[rapid shoal]

hi

[dull bane]

“Look at this cool rock I found!”

[urban heath]

I hope one-time enemies and bosses like hell razers and hell guards reappear in doom year zero

Or maybe even the trites and cherubs from doom 3

[low forge]

I hope doom year zero never gets released

[urban heath]

That’d be funny

[solar crown]

Bit more then a year at the minimum, more likely 2+

[winter nexus]

Sure, why not. The Hell Guards were cool AF. I miss the Summoner too, I like the swift sleek way that it moves and would like to see a buffed, possessed, empowerd version, even Spectral, making it harder to track.

[urban heath]

I’d be curious to see the harvester make an appearance as an actual enemy in year zero as well

Not just a playable enemy in battlemode like in 2016

[winter nexus]

Yeah, I almost forgot about that guy.

[winter nexus]

Why not?

[autumn mortar]

Doom Year Zero is such a dumb name it sounds like a mod for the original Doom

[torpid cipher]

Doom Year Zero sounds sick as fuck idk what youre talking about

sounds like some fun biblical stuff

[winter nexus]

I mean Hugo's a big fan of "Batman: Year One" so I'm guessing that's what inspired the title.

[woven siren]

it doesn't

[torpid cipher]

ok

[elder viper]

Considering the Prowler became an actual enemy the Harvester would be interesting to see

[low forge]

Why yes?

we don't need to continue milking a completed series

[winter nexus]

You could make that argument at any point in the franchise's evolution, but they always manage to bring something new and interesting and we really don't know if a) the game even exists or b) what it will actually comprise of. I mean it could well be something completely different, it could even be a comic book series, a table top RPG or another mobile game. Alternatively it could be a complete reboot.

[low forge]

before tag2 the franchise was not completed, I couldn't say the same

[clever bear]

The notion of milking a “completed” franchise with new titles when the focus has always been gameplay is such a weird and frankly ridiculous concept. The story being complete is irrelevant because it’s literally never been about the story. It’s fine to care about the story but it’s written primarily to contextualize what you’re doing.

I hope the next Doom game doesn’t launch with the title “Doom: Year Zero” on the grounds that it’s a bad name for a Doom game though.

[solar crown]

it's literally the development name, games seldom launch with that

[clever bear]

That’s fair.

[winter nexus]

Who says its completed now? We only know that the Slayers story arc is over, however Year Zero would imply going back to a previous point to when the demon presence was still a problem, perhaps starting afresh when the mission was far from complete.

[low forge]

we don't need more information about the slayer and doon universe.

[winter nexus]

We didn't need any more after Doom 2 either but those of us that enjoy the franchise nonetheless appreciate future evolution and development of the Doom brand, in whatever demonic form it may take. It's only the conclusion of one story in an entire build world.

We don't need it, but we don't really video games either, it's just entertainment and fun to play when we've got five minutes.

[formal solar]

again, there's no doom game releasing every year like cod.

[winter nexus]

It's true. I mean I get it, he's had enough of Doom, but the rest of us haven't.

[formal solar]

we are right. almost 30 years with less than 10 games is honestly low from such a game changing franchise.

[solar crown]

doom is more about the gameplay, and ID doesn't like making bad games (atleast rn)
how is that even possible to milk

[formal solar]

Ask Dellou
i see him saying that at least 2 times in a month period.

[low forge]

we already have d1,2,3,4,e to have fun.

[low forge]

don't compare doom with cod

[formal solar]

i'm just saying ID software aren't milking it like Activision.

[low forge]

they need to take a long break from doom to make a good new part

[solar crown]

they don't

[winter nexus]

Either way, I doubt id's next game will be Doom anyway. They might go with Quake.

[solar crown]

there was "only" 4 years between 2016 and eternal
it will be atleast 5 years for the next game

[winter nexus]

I mean I'd agree that we probably don't need any more Wolfenstein for the time being,they should've ended that saga before the last game.

But Doom still has a lot of life left in it.

[grizzled bane]

I honestly want to see another classic doom mini thing like sigil, not likely but that would be cool

[formal solar]

i think Wolfenstein need a much better game to finish the saga properly.

[winter nexus]

Yeah.

[solar crown]

sigil wasn't ID tbf

[grizzled bane]

still

[solar crown]

and considering they're the entire studio, i'd rather see something high quality

[winter nexus]

I thought he was releasing a sequel to Sigil?

[grizzled bane]

I didn't hear anything about that

would be cool though

I just want some more doom content that isn't a mod

[winter nexus]

Same here to be honest.

[low forge]

6 days left until release

[winter nexus]

Seriously, that soon?

[grizzled bane]

damn

[grizzled bane]

trooper's playground, right?

[elder viper]

New Colossus came out in 2017 and MachineGames hasn’t talked about anything regarding Wolfenstein 3. We do need a new Wolfenstein

[winter nexus]

We don't NEED it at all, it's a unnecessary luxury, they should move back on to Quake.

[solar crown]

or like, something original

[elder viper]

Maybe they should finish a trilogy instead of just not completing it? Yknow finish the story they started?

Also id Software doesn’t make Wolfenstein anyway

[waxen current]

We need it🙏

[winter nexus]

I never said they did, however Machine Games that do make the current generation of Wolfenstein games also more recently developed campaigns for Quake and Quake 2. I was hoping that given as much, they'd get the contract to develop a next gen Quake, or at least do something with Quake 4 this time.

[winter nexus]

I preferred the Raven Wolfenstein personally. However it's time for something new, we've already seen four Machine Games Wolfenstein titles, five if you include the VR, and I want to see what else they can do outside of Wolfenstein. More Quake stuff perhaps, since they were working on Quake more recently than Wolfenstein, or even something new entirely.

[foggy seal]

to be honest after seeing youngblood I'm not sure if i want another game

[formal solar]

that's the reason why i wanted another game.
the serie shouldn't end on that game.

[elder viper]

Why? I’d rather id Software make it rather then MachineGames since they have a Wolfenstein game they still need to make

Why give them a full scale project when they haven’t even completed the trilogy

[winter nexus]

They've already made five Wolfenstein games if you include the VR, but for me, it all ended when they decided to make Youngblood with the two daughters. Anyway since then, Machine Games have worked on stuff for both Quake and Quake 2 remasters, so I was hoping that this would lead to something new revolving around Quake in the future, to keep the ball rolling. Sure id could do it and if they do, great, but at the time, I thought coincidental that Machine Games was working on Quake episodes at a time when people were whispering about a remake.

[elder viper]

I think it would be better for id to do Quake. Also Youngblood would be a TERRIBLE place for Wolfenstein to end

[mint plinth]

i want a new Doom, Quake AND wolfenstein

[fallow river]

next game will be quake V

the last game from the quake series if we remove Champions and the remasters is Quake 4, released 18 years ago

ID made new games for Doom and Wolfenstein, so why don't they make a new game for quake?

[elder viper]

id Software didn’t make the recent Wolfenstein games

[winter nexus]

What about Catacomb?

[craggy eagle]

Machine games made the last 4 Wolfenstein games

[atomic compass]

And the recent one, Youngblood was fumbled apparently

But hey at least MachineGames after worked on the extra expansions for Quake 1 and 2 exclusively for the remasters which were really good

Dimension of the Past for Q1 previously for the 20th anniversary was complete filler imo, but Dimension of the Machine in the remaster made up for it, and Call of the Machine for the Quake 2 remaster was a little wonky

[regal vapor]

I hope I’m not in the future

[formal solar]

if we count by only numbers, DOOM and Wolfenstein game only has 3 mainline.

[low forge]

Quake VI*

[lethal swan]

quake LXVII

[opaque plover]

oh hey the game awards is today

[solar crown]

no its tomorow wdym

[mint plinth]

No it is hours away, 430 PST

very small chance we see something id related, but i do not have my hopes up

[solar crown]

eh it can be about time for the teaser

though i wouldn't get your hopes up, you'll only really set them up to be dissapointed

[mint plinth]

id went mute during the xbox showcase last june. That really suprised me.

[brittle void]

Yooo

[plush lodge]

Eyuh

[runic jungle]

Some gun should be able to shoot thru the carrion's plasma walls imo

it would be neat if the plasma gun could also lay down the carrion's plasma walls

[runic jungle]

I would cut all the DPS mods for the next iteration.
A tracer shot that makes other shots homing would be neat.
The rockets on the hmg could launch in groups, I think that mod would be more relevant that way.

[solar crown]

depends on how you define DPS mods

just the fast shooting mods that don't add anything interesting except "shoot fast"? yeah they simply just don't work

[runic jungle]

yeah i was thinking the mods for the shotgun, hmg, & chaingun.

[solar crown]

yeah they're uncreative, boring, and not really fun

[feral plover]

"So STAY TUNED ™️ for more information this coming week…" in the last message in #announcements what does it mean ?

[solar crown]

that there will be another announcement

[feral plover]

What can it be do you think ? A new game ?

[solar crown]

it can be quite literally anything

[elder viper]

New Classic Doom add on lmao

[runic jungle]

i mean, a new doom 2 episode from the new id would be really cool
the official port has some unique features that nobody has taken advantage of yet

but i highly doubt that

[woven siren]

id-made gz wad would be 🤤

[runic jungle]

they should add rails to the next doom game tbh
hugo is always making tony hawk comparisons and it fits
shooting at a cyberdemon while jumping from rail to rail over a lava pit

[runic jungle]

they have mentioned working on a new game, everyone is expectant of a trailer or somesuch

a lot of games were pushed back to 2024, maybe ids next game as well

[winter nexus]

Who did?

[solar crown]

If it was we would have already gotten a teaser, looking at the track record

[runic jungle]

At quakecon, Marty said the team was not ready to show their next project.

[low forge]

Doom 2: no rest for the living

[winter nexus]

That was Starfield, it's already out.

[solar crown]

marty has nothing to do with bethesda game studios

[winter nexus]

They worked on the combat for Starfield during that time but this was two years ago.

[solar crown]

still not ID's next project they didn't want to show yet

[winter nexus]

And then of course came the Quake 2 remaster. Hopefully we'll get Quake 4 soon.

[solar crown]

don't think that qualifies for a "big project" either

[winter nexus]

I mean he said that almost two years ago, if they'd been working on anything else at that time, we'd probably have know about it by now.

That's not to say that they aren't working on anything else at the moment, but two years is a helluva long time.

And short at the same time.

[solar crown]

Depends on how the game will be
Or perhaps development hell

[mint plinth]

it was a year and half ago they said "not ready to show you yet". So who knows... Im still suprised they didn't tease last showcase. If we don't see anything at the next showcase in June then ill agree they are in dev hell

[mint plinth]

another thing to note is the slayer helmet and armor seem different. Might just be a oversight ... or AI creation

[low forge]

https://www.youtube.com/live/_wlUMyvTFy4?si=KS59fD9fR-lhMth3

[low forge]

Quake 2 remaster developed by nightdive

[foggy seal]

yeah and Quake 4 certainly deserves same treatment, along with restoration of cut expansion

[low forge]

yes, I think it will take about 3 years. but nd also mentioned q3 a lot, so who knows.

[unborn frigate]

I’m here for where ever ID Software takes us with Rage Quake Wolfenstein and DoooooooM

[low forge]

There

[austere cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[winter nexus]

Fair enough. I'll pretty much take whatever they announce too. However I'm more into Doom than anything else, followed by Quake.

I'd like to get back into Wolfenstein but I've honestly never played Rage before.

I'm big on the retro classics id titles, hence avatar/profile pic and username.

[runic jungle]

rage 3 would be cool

[low forge]

Orcs & Elves 3

[thorny rock]

To be honest, I feel like there would be 2 more DOOM games, and then it would end. Doomslayer has already killed hell, what else is there to kill?
Humanity? Aliens? I think that would be cool to have more games, but I just feel like there wont be anymore..

[meager lily]

i dont think they should make any more

this is like the best spot to end it at

[thorny rock]

Yeah i guess so

But i feel like it'd be cool to have 1 - 2 more and end it off

[meager lily]

doomguy has killed the dude who literally created everything

i dont know how you beat that

maybe some companion games are possible though

it would be funny if they made a horror game in which you're a demon and you need to hide from doomguy

[thorny rock]

Maybe some prequels would be nice

For example Doomguy before he was that strong

[meager lily]

it wouldnt fit with the spirit of the doom games i feel

[thorny rock]

I mean like for lore

[meager lily]

doom is supposed to make you feel unstoppable

[thorny rock]

Yeah but you can also die in doom (Talkin' about the gameplay)

[solar crown]

literally the OG games?

[meager lily]

i mean more the modern ones

[solar crown]

also how is the story relevant for the gameplay

[thorny rock]

Idk, just had the feeling to mention it

[solar crown]

doom's story always fitted around the gameplay, not the other way around

[meager lily]

gameplay is a very watered down version of the lore

lore wise doomguy is technically an immortal undefeatable god

[thorny rock]

But still, maybe some prequels would be nice

[solar crown]

according to?

the lore points quite fairly towards gameplay being pretty representational

[meager lily]

?

[thorny rock]

Wasn't it stated he wasn't a god, but a human?

[meager lily]

divinity machine

[solar crown]

he's a human that got a sliver of power from a god, but that power mostly made him biologically immortal

[thorny rock]

Yeah, but he still a human

[solar crown]

yup

[thorny rock]

If they did add prequels, it would fix some questions such as "does he have a family?"

[solar crown]

not really a plot hole though

[thorny rock]

I mean question

[meager lily]

come on we fight immortal ftl enemies while having a suit thats supposed to be impenetrable except to really strong attacks

[solar crown]

??? we literally never meet FTL enemies, and also not really "immortal" in the sense they can't die. they just don't really age

and no, it was just a random quick UAC lab-tests that couldn't destroy the suit which isn't really anything to base off

[thorny rock]

But prequels (if they did release) would prob be in like 2027 or 2030 considering how long it takes to make doom games

[solar crown]

plus, even with invincible armour you can still make it super hot or have kinetic energy travel through it

[meager lily]

im pretty sure samur and the khan makyr can move through spacetime

its possible im wrong

[thorny rock]

They can

[solar crown]

everyone moves through spacetime, that's literally all movement

[meager lily]

you know what i mean

[solar crown]

not really

[thorny rock]

[solar crown]

if you mean timetravel? they can't as they have never timetraveled nor are there any mentions of timetravel

[thorny rock]

the demons:

[solar crown]

teleportation? not that unique

[thorny rock]

it do be likely to have a doom prequel tho

heard there's gonna be a "Doom - Year Zero" or something

Prob fake news

[solar crown]

that's just a development name, and it's likely canceled as it was planned for this year and we haven't even gotten a teaser

[thorny rock]

Maybe they delayed it and going silent for a little

With that project

[solar crown]

then it's delayed for a minimum of 2+ years

[thorny rock]

Likely, yes

[solar crown]

also, dishonered 3 which was also on the document has been replaced with a Blade game

[thorny rock]

So you're suspecting they'd replace the prequel with something else?

[solar crown]

assuming it even is a prequel

[thorny rock]

it likely is cuz "year zero"

[solar crown]

which can mean anything

the real "year zero" has already been the OG games

[thorny rock]

The prequel would prob be before the OG games?

[solar crown]

and wtf would it contain then

random as military shooter with some vague doom vibes?

[meager lily]

no like phasing through spacetime

[solar crown]

....so just movement in general?

[meager lily]

Able to move through time and space, they held sway over all dominions of the known and unknown dimensions.

[solar crown]

which codex, the propoganda ones?

[thorny rock]

speed

[meager lily]

what are the propaganda ones

history of the sentinels part 2 i think

[solar crown]

also that only really proves that.... the just are stupid and don't use it ingame? still doesn't prove shit of doomguy himself

[solar crown]

oh that's the religious fanatic texts

[solar crown]

basically tag1, most of that one

[meager lily]

ok

[thorny rock]

A prequel would be nice, but not likely

[solar crown]

would still rather have a game moving the game further

cause there's not that much mystery

[thorny rock]

Doom's family: When did daisy die: Why is doomguy so silent:

[solar crown]

doom's family isn't important nor really a mystery, their existence isn't even encertained
when daisy died doesn't matter, it's "shortly before doomguy landed" anyways which is the only timeframe that matters
also... doesn't really matter. all the sentinel stuff can best be put in a comic then have a full blown game of

[meager lily]

dude nothing really matters

[thorny rock]

wdym?

[meager lily]

its about whats interesting and would be nice to know

[solar crown]

going on with the story matters a lot more then "when did this unimportant side character do the griddy?"

[thorny rock]

Yeah, for example before the doomslayer? How was earth doing?

[meager lily]

i dont see why they should go on with the story when the story is at the perfect point to be completed

[solar crown]

look at the demon invasion progress and the ARC mission

[thorny rock]

guess i haven't looked at those that much

[solar crown]

it's at an absolute shit point with the nonsensical parts of tag2

[thorny rock]

only plyed the games

know a little lore but not all

[meager lily]

sounds like a hot take

[solar crown]

most peeps in the server agree that tag2 was pretty awful

[meager lily]

average gamer doesnt really look that deep into it

this server isnt the average gamer

[solar crown]

then there is also no reason for doom to not continue

at "worst" with another protagonist

[thorny rock]

i guess so, i just play the games and have fun killing demons

[meager lily]

exactly

[thorny rock]

its a addiction to kill demons for me

[meager lily]

eternal has sold millions of copies probably

but this server probably has around 100k members

[solar crown]

i fail to see the relevancy

[meager lily]

most of them arent serious enough to join a discord and discuss about stuff

[thorny rock]

the doom prequel would prob sell a lot also

[meager lily]

true

[solar crown]

any game from ID would

[thorny rock]

especially all doom games

Tbh the Doom Prequel would get them so much money, i wonder if they would use that money to make a movie

[meager lily]

i dont think a movie on a game has ever gone good

[solar crown]

a cool animated series would be... ok enough

[thorny rock]

the mario movie?

[meager lily]

was it good

everyone i talked to said it was okay

[thorny rock]

yeah

it sold good and was great

[meager lily]

to be fair if they were faithful to the game then a doom movie would be epic

[solar crown]

it would only really be senseless slaughter

[thorny rock]

they already are, aren't they? They take pride into their games. They LOVE their games, and the fact that they made so much money, and so many fans from it

[meager lily]

aka epic

[solar crown]

theres not decades of fan service the mario movie could rely on

[solar crown]

quite bad for a full blown movie

hardcore henry had a very interesting premise atleast and a fairly okayish story that was presented quite uniquely

[thorny rock]

i'd love the gore

[solar crown]

a short animated series like the cyberpunk or castlevania series would be the most fitting

[thorny rock]

guess you're right, but i'm suspecting it would take until 2030 to make that type of shit

considering making so much gore and an animated series at the same time would take a while

and lots of work , and lots of people

[solar crown]

huh
you know.... the making gore part is part of the series right?

[thorny rock]

ofc i do and it would take so long

bc gore MUST BE GOOD BECAUSE WHAT'S DOOM WITHOUT GORE?

[solar crown]

no longer then cyberpunk and castlevania

which had absolutely no huge delays because of the gore

[thorny rock]

think that gore would probably be better

[solar crown]

a 10% increase in quality would not make a 100% increase in production time

[thorny rock]

not talking about 100% prob like 10% increase in time

to make it

[solar crown]

oh no, an entire.... 2 months

[thorny rock]

which would take long to make

longer than 2 months

we just gotta survive till 3020

go through infinite divinity machines and boom

we survived

so do you think there would be a doom prequel & movie?

i'd say maybe yes

bc they love their games

and doom is popular

[formal solar]

well, doom 3 happened and doom 4 nearly did.

[swift shard]

Im in the Future!

[winter nexus]

A prequel as in the Sentinel Knight years perhaps.

[winter nexus]

Movie? Who knows, but why would we need another movie, we already have the games, and games supercede movies and shows because they're more interactive and immersive.

[coarse kernel]

doom eternal KBM support for xbox when

[thorny rock]

N e v e r

[low forge]

Never

[thorny rock]

( t r u e )

[keen coral]

Idea: a Doom game like Overwatch (team deathmatch and whatnot) that takes place in Hell, and you play in a team of night Sentinels vs demons or something like that. Its based on the story of the Sentinels when they get trapped by the priests

[woven siren]

no

[keen coral]

Dang

[lethal swan]

doom eternal deathmatch would be so good tho

[low forge]

Doom fortress 2?

[keen coral]

Im down

[feral plover]

strogg wars but high def

like work out the strogg story more and do like a TF game

[patent helm]

do another fortnite collab, DOOM 2016 skin

or 1993 doom guy

or collab with more games, we need more DOOM collabs

[austere cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/endgame-avengers-hawkeye-clint-barton-dont-give-me-hope-gif-15254733

[patent helm]

like, just add it to the item shop

😒

[austere cypress]

It should be a free variant for the slayer

[dry void]

we do

i was happy i got the fortnite one but i feel like we're missing the marauder. i drafted ideas with some friends for multiple different demons. We even came up with a Dr Hayden skin with seraphim varient.

[patent helm]

A marauder seems like the only "Demon" they could add as a skin, if not maybe an imp but I don't know

[woven siren]

revenant

[solar crown]

there's the quake-doom characters

[woven siren]

archvile

hell knight/baron of hell

[patent helm]

Oh yea, they'd be awesome

[patent helm]

I'm mostly talking about the size and shape of FORTNITE skins

[solar crown]

they scaled down characters before so that's not a limit

[patent helm]

A scaled down Baron would be SO weird

[woven siren]

oh yeah,,,

[patent helm]

😭

[woven siren]

ok but revenant

[patent helm]

Maybe, yea

[coarse kernel]

yall dont have the doomslayer skin on fn?

[austere cypress]

I do

[coarse kernel]

oh okay

[cinder garden]

Eviternity III: It's Eviternity time

[austere cypress]

SIGIL III

[cinder garden]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised

[austere cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/sopranos-tony-soprano-funny-gif-5018786074331786569

[worn cloud]

I HOPE there is, I actually had a script written and everything but I am curious about what segment of time you guys have planned.

[winter nexus]

in QDoom?

[low dagger]

Is a new game ever gonna come out?

[winter nexus]

One day but I'm not in any rush, I want them to get it right and make it perfect.

[low dagger]

ok

[solar crown]

Doom-ish characters in quake champions

[radiant pebble]

There should be a Doom 6, as in, the sequel to Doom 3 (cuz yknow 3x2=6 lol).
The game would be set on Earth, with ammo being scarce as hell (cause where are you
going to find rocket ammo inside some joe's house)
Should keep the same atmosphere and would have modern graphics.
A cool mechanic would be making the monster AIs have like 100 different attacks that all
differ, or maybe a mechanism where the animations alter by themselves to add
to the realism
And make the main mechanic be that you can never guess what will the enemies do
because they always do something different to flip you over. Maybe make Enemy spawns
be random too.
But things like a janky shotgun or unexplained details about enemy attacks
(like the enemy projectiles having goddamn splash damage upon hitting a wall or ground)
would be gone. Mounting the flashlight to the shoulder would be optional for those
who want pulling it out instead.
I think it should happen, we had enough of Ripping and Tearing for the last (soon to be) 10 years

[solar crown]

sounds like an action survival game instead of anything resembling nudoom

[radiant pebble]

yeah how is doom 3 resembling modern doom in any way anyway

idk it seems like a weird idea, but doom 3 IS a part of doom soo
its not completely out of place

[foggy seal]

it doesn't make sense to make such game in first place

[thorny rock]

doom 6? then what would be doom eternal, and doom 2016 exist

[solar crown]

dooming numbers are weird

[solar crown]

yeah this basically, it's weird to go from 2016, to eternal, and then a step back in the past and then just randomly base it off of doom3

[thorny rock]

yeah, but maybe a different name for it

[radiant pebble]

i meeaan
personally since doom 64 has its own number i dont count it like "doom 1, 2, 64 (3), 4, 5, 6" like that

[solar crown]

also, don't forget that doom3 is the 4th game in the series

[spring iris]

I wouldn’t be a gamer if it wasn’t for iD. Thank you to my dad for showing me DOOM and obviously all at ID Software for making such an amazing game!

[thorny rock]

that's past not future

[spring iris]

What? Haha

[winter nexus]

Yeah, it's always been a complicated issue. You get those people that consider Doom 64 as the real Doom 3, but then I could easilly say that I consider Final Doom to be Doom 3 etc.

I mean what we know is that Doom 64 is a sequel to Doom 2, but the reality is that in the lore, the Slayer's probably been on many missions that we'll probably never even know about, so for him, it's just life. However, as much as I love Doom 3, the bottom line is that it's its own thing. 2016 is when everything fell back in line, however at the time of Doom 2016's release, we didn't actually know that it was a sequel, I myself just assumed it to be another remake/reboot of the series until the helmet scene with the Order of the Deag in Eternal.

[worn cloud]

Agreed

[worn cloud]

Hello Vega

I had an idea for a weird Doom game that acts as both a sequel AND a spin-off. Buuuuuuut I don't know if anyone here would like it, it's kind of a reach and I'm not sure if anyone would be for it or against it's concept.

As for the gameplay itself, imagine Wolfenstein: Youngblood...but actually good and less Level based with two differing characters rather than just identical twins that have even MORE identical personalities.

[austere cypress]

Imagine a co-op DOOM game that puts the players in the perspective of the UAC Soldiers, kind of like Halo ODST. Or maybe even a prequel that lets you play as DOOM Marines.

In the case of a UAC spinoff, the soldiers you play as get betrayed by the corrupt corporates of the UAC and has an ending we’re nobody survives, like the end of Halo Reach.

In the case of a prequel where you play as the DOOM Marines, your entire firing squad gets killed by the demons towards the end setting up the first three DOOM games.

[limpid dock]

what if there was a remake of classic doom?

not saying we need one, doom 1 and 2 are perfect as is

but we live in an era of remakes so who knows

[solar crown]

Then i'd be quite dissapointed as theres not really much to be reworked

The graphics still hold up well, not really any horrendously outdated game mechanics

And with how long they're silent, it's quite a letdown
Unless it's a third party that wipped it up in a few months ig

[limpid dock]

maybe like

what black mesa is to half-life 1

where it’s just a mod or something

i guess that’d be cool

[austere cypress]

We definitely could use a remake, that would be so cool!!!

I would love to see those old maps reimagined

[elder viper]

The level design is to abstract and strange to really work modernized

It would just end up like those god awful Unreal Engine “remakes” that look fucking horrendous

[mint plinth]

well a E1M1 would have to be more of a hanger, it can be done but would take a lot of work to make the map more realistic.

but a 1:1 remake would look like a abstract pos

you would have a lot more freedom with the hell maps though

[wild shell]

Just a graphical update would be cool. But source ports already have texture packs. JDoom+ all the packs they have basically is what a modern Doom update would be.

Secret Shame - I used to think the 3D models were cool

[dapper mist]

pene

[austere cypress]

Though the older games already have a story, I feel like it would be so cool for them to be more fleshed out with cutscenes using modern graphics.

I always wanted to see the classic DOOM games fully reimagined into a cinematic masterpiece

[winter nexus]

You mean like a remaster?

[woven siren]

it would be really cool (i've played some remake-y fan projects that make the levels and graphics more detailed, add cutscenes and rework the bossfights) but it's more fit for a cool community fan project than an official thing

the next game being a classic doom remake would be a big disappointment

don't want id to use their resources on that when they could make a much cooler new game

[woven siren]

i want it to have cutscenes with the og graphics

i lovelovelove doom engine cutscenes, they look so unique and are fun to watch

[austere cypress]

Yeah

[austere cypress]

What if they gave the player an option to play with classic graphics. but instead of it being a filter like in Eternal, it completely converts everything into voxels

[woven siren]

no that's yucky

have you played gzdoom

[austere cypress]

Yeah

[woven siren]

gzdoom with shaders

let the game keep its personality

[austere cypress]

I just got done streaming Voxel DOOM VR

[austere cypress]

DOOM, with shaders isn’t bad. I actually think it’s kind of cool.

[woven siren]

gzdoom with pixel shaders (and nothing else) is peak classic doom remaster for me

[austere cypress]

I just don’t like HD texture packs tbh

[woven siren]

then for the remake part we can make cutscenes with ACS and stuff

[woven siren]

maybe HD sounds and smooth doom

[austere cypress]

Smooth DOOM is pretty cool

[woven siren]

smooth doom is a mod that adds a few more frames to the weapon animations to make them less choppy

[austere cypress]

I quite like the OG sounds though

[woven siren]

one version uses interpolation and makes it 60fps (yucky imo) and the other is handmade and makes it like, 24 fps i think?

[woven siren]

same

we can make it toggleable though

[austere cypress]

I just think there should be an official remaster of the games instead of them just being fan made

[woven siren]

not worth id's effort

[austere cypress]

Totally worth the effort

[woven siren]

when they could make an entirely new game with a new fun gameplay loop and mechanics that iterate on previous games

• gzdoom is already everything you could want from a remaster

[austere cypress]

Agreed, but there are so many people out there that would kill for a classic DOOM experience on the modern ID Tech engine.

[woven siren]

how do you know there are a lot of people

that idea gets frowned upon in the doom circles i interact with

[austere cypress]

The circles “you” interact with

everybody has different taste

[woven siren]

also classic doom on modern id tech needs them to make new models and new assets and remake the levels from scratch, which is time and effort better spent on a new game

[woven siren]

yes and what are the circles you interact with

i talk mainly to the classic doom playerbase

[austere cypress]

Then I guess I’m just a different breed

[woven siren]

doom eternal fans probably don't want an "og doom but id tech" thing

because og doom doesn't have the quickswaps and movement and resource management and everything else people like about eternal

[austere cypress]

Would be a waste of a lot of resources, but would be such a unique twist for a remaster. Kind of like Dead Space

[austere cypress]

I would hate for them to implement modern gameplay mechanics like quickswaps

[woven siren]

yeah

[austere cypress]

They gotta keep the gameplay exactly like the originals, but the visuals have a fresh coat of paint and a deep narrative

[woven siren]

...so you can't jump?

[austere cypress]

That would be interesting if you couldn’t

[woven siren]

or do you allow jump and remake the levels to make it so jumping doesn't break the game

[austere cypress]

I wouldn’t mind

[woven siren]

2nd option seems better

[austere cypress]

That could also be possible

[woven siren]

also jumping shouldn't make you faster or be a movement mechanic if you wanna keep the og's gameplay

[austere cypress]

I’m sure the locations from the original games would look completely different in a remaster

[woven siren]

because then people r just gonna bhop lmao

use gzdoom's jump, essentially

[austere cypress]

True

Like I said, if they were to ever do it, they need to keep all the mechanics the same

The first three games were perfect, everything past those have some fatal flaws

[woven siren]

what fatal flaws

also the first three weren't perfect even if they were damn close

[austere cypress]

Mainly Quick swapping and Bunny hopping

[woven siren]

???????

fatal flaws? those r literally the best things ever (being genuine)

bro does not like quake

[austere cypress]

Sure the older games have it too, but at least all the weapons were perfectly balanced in those

[woven siren]

quickswapping in cpma was goated

[austere cypress]

Cpma???

[woven siren]

what do you have against bhopping though

[woven siren]

i see you don't play that much quake multiplayer

[austere cypress]

Just kind of feel like it’s overused in every modern video game

Alongside quick swapping

Literally the focal point of every multiplayer shooter nowadays

[woven siren]

most popular quake 3 mod, adds air control, quickswap, and some stuff for competitive play

so influential that mainline quake games take mechanics from cpma

[woven siren]

...what?

i would LOVE to live in a world where bhopping and quickswapping are the focus of every multiplayer shooter at the moment

[austere cypress]

Also, my only other critique is the fact that shotguns are overrated/overused

every video game needs to have OP shotguns nowadays

Plasma rifles are where it’s at…

[woven siren]

railguns imo

[austere cypress]

Ever played QCDE railgun deathmatch???

[woven siren]

yes

it sux if u have shit aim but landing rail flicks is 🤤

[austere cypress]

Ikr 😂

I used to play it back in high school in the middle of class

[woven siren]

rail deathmatch with 2 players who have shit aim is an eternal stalemate LMAO

[austere cypress]

Imagine being a full lobby where everyone has shit aim lmao

[austere cypress]

How about Insanity Deathmatch: Skinnable Edition???

[woven siren]

i hosted a xonotic deathmatch at my school's computer lab lol

they mainly used the explosive weapons bc they couldn't land hits

[austere cypress]

I wish I knew how to host good lobbies

I’ve tried, but gave up

[woven siren]

i've heard of insanity deathmatch but haven't played it 😔

[woven siren]

all the computers were connected on a LAN with cables lol

[austere cypress]

You have to play it sometime, it’s the funniest DOOM experience I’ve ever played

[austere cypress]

That must’ve made it easier on you lol

[woven siren]

yup

[river harbor]

Hi

[austere cypress]

Hey

[river harbor]

Hey

[wild shell]

Yeah it's really cool. I watched a civvie vid and never thought a mod like that would look as cool as it does

[winter nexus]

I mean I'm guessing that most FPS games will have both, unless they're fantasy based.

[woven siren]

fantasy-based ones can have equivalents too