the-future

[solar crown]

precisely

[unborn zenith]

Depends on what you mean as real

[solar crown]

real as in they are a man
which, if you become a man, you are

[unborn zenith]

In that sentence

[woven siren]

please don't start this shit.

[unborn zenith]

I won't start anything

[solar crown]

i think it was more in reference to how transfobic peeps say "real" (wo)men, not cause of themself

[unborn zenith]

I'll just keep my personal beliefs to myself here on out

Cause it will turn into a shit show if I dont

[solar crown]

it's very easy, just understand a slimmer more then basic biologics

[unborn zenith]

I wonder, what will happen in the future if I don't change my gender, and society keeps going the way it has been (not saying that it's bad)

[solar crown]

then it's just fine? "the way it's going" is that people will just not care and let you do your own thing

[woven siren]

not worth the debate, @unborn zenith just keep those thoughts in your head, nowhere else

[unborn zenith]

Ok ok.

Death and taxes

The only two certain things in this world

[woven siren]

the IRS embodies both

[feral plover]

Same it’s always has been, trans people aren’t trying to force people to be trans they just want human rights

[unborn zenith]

This is Atlas Control signing off, may we live to see another day

(if you get the reference, congrats)

[feral plover]

Thanks for explaining that

[crisp aurora]

Two things doom guy ignores

[feral plover]

A trans man is still a man lmao

That's like saying "No, he's a man!" when someone says he's got brown hair or something. A trans man is a type of man. Just like a white man, or a man with a certain hair style.

[crisp aurora]

Is doom guy trans?

[unborn zenith]

No

He is not trans but he is pro trans rights

According to John Romero

[solar crown]

Where is the qoute

[unborn zenith]

here you are, doubter

did you know that doomguys wife and son are named Chloe and Hunter?

[feral plover]

???

[unborn zenith]

yep, Bethesda even comfirmed it.

[feral plover]

Y’all had a long ass argument whether doom guy is a man or not

im out here working on my shit

[feral plover]

Anyways for the next Quake game i really hope they add some modern ease for the movement

Stuff like holding down (space) so you don’t have to bind jump to your scroll wheel to make frame perfect jumps would be great

Maybe using the Dash from Eternal to maintain speed so redirecting your jump is much more consistent. Games like Warfork really make it work

[feral plover]

Uh, yeah, no they did not.

[unborn zenith]

Then I got my information from a false source

[elder viper]

I mean its kinda a given they would enhance and refine the controls for the modern era

thats like if they kept Doom's original control scheme for 2016

[woven siren]

you never had to do that in quake

quake has jump buffering, just re-press space whenever you hit the ground

[weary moon]

ill revolt

shut

[feral plover]

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-thats-it-gonna-cry-tobey-maguire-are-you-going-to-cry-gif-17698704

You're sure trying something there, bud.

[weary moon]

yes

and im clearly failing

you wanna help me?

[feral plover]

You can't spam emojis. The server bot doesn't like it.

[weary moon]

damn bro i didnt know

[elder viper]

boohoo

[crisp aurora]

Which doom guy is the STRONGEST

My money's on 1993 classic

[solar crown]

They're all the same person in the games except for doom3

[elder viper]

2016/ Eternal Doomguy cause of the Divinity Machine

[feral plover]

The next doom will be BIGGER and BADDER

It's going to make doom eternal look like babies first fps game

Doom 2016 and èternal were all just prototypes of what ID are truly planning for doom

Now with a much bigger budget. They are going to go all out

[crisp aurora]

Doom but gta

[elder viper]

I’m just curious how they are going to outdo Eternals combat loop. Hugo said that was gonna be one of the main things id Softwares next game would do

And to improve upon Eternals combat system sounds like one hell of a job. It’s so intricately designed idk if the company can make something better

[pulsar cradle]

no.

Killer Bean x DOOM collab

[feral plover]

I think if they can compare ideas from other games it could work

[feral plover]

What I wanna see is them improve MP, 2016 DOOM multiplayer was peak gameplay

[inland bronze]

Black Mesa X DOOM

[feral plover]

Honestly

With the next gen hardware they are working with. I'm Excited to see how ID tech 8 will push the limits with the next doom or quake reboot game

They're definitely going to go all put and take full adventure of the xbox series x hardware

It's going to look insane

[woven siren]

i don't want to see them go all-out graphically

[feral plover]

True true. What matters most is the gameplay

[woven siren]

games can be pretty without being all next-gen, gameplay and art style matters most

[feral plover]

Yes. The art style as well!

Eternal had some gorgeous scenery. And the art style still holds up

No doubt in my mind this game will have a unique art style of its own that pops out

I really feel like ID is gearing up to show something special

[elder viper]

Yeah I agree with graphics not being everything but. The art style for id Softwares next game is something I am definitely interested in seeing

[feral plover]

I feel like the jump in graphics will be insane. It would be like going from halo 2 to halo3. Night and fay difference

[elder viper]

Idk about that. I mean look at the difference between idTech 6 and idTech 7.

The game on idTech 8 will undoubtedly look different (hopefully better) but I’m not expecting any HUGE graphical leaps

like don’t expect a Unreal 4 vs Unreal 5 type of thing

[feral plover]

Idk man. They're working wth next hen hardware here. Plus this game will probably come out in 2025!

Plus doom 2016 looked like a n3xt gen game. The graphics for it were insane back then (and even still are)

[elder viper]

Guess we’ll just have to wait and see

Either way I’m hyped

[feral plover]

Next gen hardware + ID tech 8.
This game is going to be BIG

[elder viper]

Hope my little ASUS laptop running a RTX 2060 can handle it

It’s already starting to show it’s age so I gotta work on getting a upgrade

[solar crown]

"Artstyle still holds up" as if the game came out over a decade ago

[feral plover]

Doom eternal best game of 2004

[fleet fern]

I quite agree with this. I loved 2016's MP but I'm not a fan of Eternal's.

[solar crown]

i'd rather have them completely ditch MP, it just takes away resources from the SP and will never be as good

maybe a coop if htey can integrate it without it breaking the balance or changing the core loop

[feral plover]

This

Why bother even trying anymore. Just focus resources on coop horde

[feral plover]

i dont think people are asking much for wanting a deathmatch

Eternal already covers a lot of the major aspects of what keeps people playing a PvP game. Slayer and weapon customization, Progression earned rewards, Scoreboards like from Horde mode.

[woven siren]

fuck allat

old-school afps multiplayer

just need elo

character customization stays though

[solar crown]

Still quite some effort to program

Idk how hard it is considering ID-tech is a completely unique engine so they will likely have to do it from the ground up

It's not as easy as just "allowing" people to fight eachother

[spring belfry]

doom 6

[near bone]

When will Doomguy's coffin open again

[nimble lodge]

Nobody knows afaik

[woven siren]

mhm, but id's consistently had multiplayer in the doom games, i don't think it would affect them too much

they also made quake, they're used to programming multiplayer at this point, it'll just take more time than if they didn't

[cyan venture]

how do i get into berserk mode

[cyan venture]

is it random?

[woven siren]

what?

[cyan venture]

getting berserk mode in doom

[woven siren]

which doom

[cyan venture]

2016

[woven siren]

no fucking idea
not the topic for this channel anyway

[solar crown]

yeah and that time is time they could've spent making the SP even better instead of tacking on a MP barely anyone really cares about

[woven siren]

yeah but idt it'll take too much time for em

[cyan venture]

im new to this place

[woven siren]

channel topics exist for a reason

[cyan venture]

so how do i get berserk mode

[woven siren]

never played 2016

[nimble lodge]

Thats a powerup that spawns in some places, not a mode you can trigger at will

[feral plover]

its not that people dont care for a mp. Its the fact its been constantly suppressed and not actually shown classic potential

Quake 2 has multiplayer and Nightdive didnt have to add that in. People still played it.

[woven siren]

just make an mp that doesn't try anything quirky and it'll gain at least some traction considering the size of the doom community

honestly i'm fine if they don't have multiplayer in the next doom if it means they get to go all out in the quake multiplayer

[solar crown]

They'd also have to make the MP be basically the campaign but MP aswell
It that won't work that well (like with even mlre emphasis on resource mamagement) then it would be quite conflictinh

[woven siren]

referring to co-op?

or deathmatch?

[solar crown]

Deathmatch

Coop wouldn't be as big of an issue fitting it in the gameplay loop

[woven siren]

imo you don't really have to make mp fit the campaign that well

of course it would be better if it did, but if it just doesn't mesh or takes too much to get right, not worth it

[solar crown]

... then i don't get what the point of the mp is?

[woven siren]

the deathmatch

[solar crown]

But it won't be DM of the actual game

[woven siren]

quake singleplayer is absolutely nothing like quake multiplayer

[solar crown]

It would be another game, not actually the new game

[woven siren]

and that's fine

so long as it's fun 🤷

[solar crown]

Then they would have to focus on 2 games

[woven siren]

...

[solar crown]

Again, why divert resources if you can also just have 1 really great game

[woven siren]

i don't really give a shit if we get mp or not so not worth the debate lol

both options are good

[woven siren]

you can kinda just slap a deathmatch together and rebalance the damage honestly

that's what i meant by not having it fit the campaign

[solar crown]

Well, "no mp" means better sp
"Yes mp" means worse sp and the mp maybe has nothing to do with the sp

Why not just make a mp game at that point that you can specifically tailor for mp, that will be wildly better

[woven siren]

yeah exactly, quake

doom for the sp and quake for the mp's how it's usually gone tbh

but some people want a deathmatch mode, and you could slap something rudimentary together that doesn't detract too much from development time spent on sp

or just have good mod support and leave it to the community (better option imo, but stuff wouldn't be standardized)

[solar crown]

any effort put in making and maintaining DM is taking away from sp

[solar crown]

yeah sounds like a better solution

[woven siren]

🤝

[feral plover]

u could apply this logic to literally any game with a mp

[solar crown]

quite a few have an MP that is near identical to the sp
otherwise, yes, i think it is quite wasteful and more often then not 1 of them is wildly underdeveloped

[feral plover]

so is quake 2 remastered with mp wasteful

[solar crown]

yes

[feral plover]

all im saying is Id isnt a small indie company

[solar crown]

thes the more important to have them make complete bangers

[feral plover]

except yk a good game makes a game a complete banger

so whatever Id feeds the fans lets be real is a banger

[woven siren]

yea, mp won't set em back that much lol

[solar crown]

i mean, again, it is still time and effort that could be spend on making the actual game much better

[feral plover]

i mean this is the same company that allows u to play Doom 1 and 2 in Eternal

[solar crown]

uhm, ok?

[woven siren]

yeah but what if it's not that much development time

what if they're satisfied with the game

[solar crown]

those are free online to download, their sizes are pretty much neglible, and it's really not that hard to stick atleast 1 of the common rom players or however it is called in it

[solar crown]

then it gets released usually

[woven siren]

yeah but what if they wanna add mp afterward 🙄

[solar crown]

make a mp game afterwords then?

it will be much better

[woven siren]

and adding multiplayer wouldn't be that hard for id 🤭

[woven siren]

what if they just wanna add mp to the game

[feral plover]

id rather have things release at launch like a package

That is what people gets their gears rolling for*

[solar crown]

yeah, like releasing a MP game instead of a tacked on gamemode that at best just feels like a waste of space like in eternal

[feral plover]

Like i said. People still play Quake live

[woven siren]

you can just tack on a simple deathmatch mode that takes id like a week or two to whip up

[feral plover]

its not about if me or you would play it. Its the objective fact people would def play it.

[woven siren]

it's not like adding mp will absolutely screw over the game

[solar crown]

people will play literally anything
doesn't mean it's good

[feral plover]

and people playing the game is just as healthy

[solar crown]

when did i ever say that? just that it will take away resources from sp, which is just simply a fact....

[feral plover]

the multiplayer doesnt have to be equally a masterpiece. Its the choice for players to do so

[woven siren]

yeah but you said it'll make the sp "much" better

[solar crown]

any better is much better

[woven siren]

my point is that it won't take id that much time and resources to use anyway

[feral plover]

so a multiplayer would be considered the added better

[solar crown]

plus, again, not every type of gameplay will match with DM
if ID goes further into the resource management like gameplay then MP really wouldn't fit in that well

[feral plover]

so what it doesnt. let people use all 7 of their guns and run around fragging

it doesnt need to be a gimmick

[woven siren]

^^^^

dumb, simple deathmatch

wouldn't take too long for id to whip up 🤷

[solar crown]

well i you want nothing special then i don't get why the new id game would need to have it?

[woven siren]

because it would be fun???

[solar crown]

just.... play the games that already have it like cod?

[feral plover]

Because its the classic experience of doom deathmatch fans want

[solar crown]

it would be the same as anything else then

[woven siren]

how

[feral plover]

Doom mp doesnt have to be call of duty like 2016

[solar crown]

it will not be the classic experience, it would literlaly be the new game

[solar crown]

because you guys literally said "it doesn't need to be a gimick"
aka it doesn't need anything... well, doom

[woven siren]

gimmick meant something like battlemode

[feral plover]

Tell me u havent played a multiplayer fps without telling me ig.

[woven siren]

lmaooo

[solar crown]

lol i have, but those are actually mp fps

and not a sp fps with forced on mp, which usually just suck cause guess what

[feral plover]

“oh b-but if the mp isnt new then whats the pointttt!!”

[solar crown]

yeah?

no new mp = no reason to have it released
new mp = takes resources away from the actual game

[feral plover]

its almost like people havent been playing the same csgo for like 20 years

[solar crown]

but then you do want something new that takes away resources from sp?

[feral plover]

Where is this statement coming from when 2016 basically did more content than was needed rlly.

[solar crown]

ok, but it will still take away effort from sp?

[feral plover]

Ok so u choked yes

[woven siren]

what does it matter if it doesn't take away that much resources

[feral plover]

🤝we are done here people

[woven siren]

that's the point we're making, your response to it was that any tiny improvements are still big improvements

[feral plover]

@woven siren cya in general ima eat some korean food

[solar crown]

except it won't really be a "improvement"

[woven siren]

seeyu

[solar crown]

it would be something different, not neccesary an improvement
look at BM, that is not an improvement it was just something different

[woven siren]

reading comprehension

the improvement i'm referring to is the improvement you would get from using the resources on mp on sp instead like you suggested

[solar crown]

a deathmatch will not add anything to the actual sp game, it will only detract resources from it

[woven siren]

this argument is going in circles

[feral plover]

Doom 1 and 2. didnt add anything to the sb game.

[woven siren]

she's gonna respond w/ "but that was 30 years ago"

[feral plover]

k im done now fr im hungy

[solar crown]

yeah

[feral plover]

tinfoil hat is falling off

[solar crown]

i don't see how bringing up old games is relevant, you can do something that's worse for the game you know

and it will "fit in" with that game's gunplay loop a lot more then something that will expand on eternal's gameplay loop

[woven siren]

point is you can set up a quick and dirty deathmatch and it:
a. wouldn't detract THAT much resources from sp because id has tons of experience in developing multiplayer, would be negligible honestly
b. would be fun

[solar crown]

i don't even see what your shitty "gotcha!!!" is what you're trying to spin on me

[woven siren]

please respond to point a

[solar crown]

a. literally don't know with how IDtech works, but at absolutely minimum it will take away resources from sp

[woven siren]

you keep saying that

[solar crown]

for the simple matter of fact that you will still need to make it

[woven siren]

but if it only takes a little bit, does it matter?

[solar crown]

copypasting some 2016 code is still effort you put into mp

[woven siren]

if it's tiny effort why does it matter jfc

[solar crown]

yes? the game industry is incredibly crunched

[woven siren]

this is little bit relative to the game industry

adding mp would demolish the dev time of smaller indie companies

but id software is id fucking software

[solar crown]

i.... don't see how that's even fully relevant but ok

[woven siren]

the company that pioneered so much shit and still has really well-optimized games even without the big boys like carmack

multiplayer would not be hard for them to add and it wouldn't detract that much time from sp dev is the point

[solar crown]

optimized =/= easy to implement MP in

[woven siren]

so far your responses to that have been:
"any better is much better"
"game industry is crunched"

[woven siren]

jesus christ, the point is that id has been casually adding mp to their games with their custom engines since forever

every mainline doom game has had multiplayer

[solar crown]

i don't see how that's even relevant

"every game has had it!" ok, and this one won't? sure

[woven siren]

...because adding mp should be muscle memory for them at this point?

that's the point i'm making, that it's easy to add for them

[solar crown]

if it's literally just copypasting 2016 code, sure, go ahead

[woven siren]

it willl detract from sp yes, but it'll be negligible atp

[solar crown]

it really won't

[woven siren]

negligible is an exaggeration, i admit that

but if they focused like 1-2 weeks of easy development on adding a quick and dirty deathmatch, it wouldn't fuck up the singleplayer at all

not much left to refine

[feral plover]

Quake 2 multiplayer

[woven siren]

literally any id multiplayer

[polar owl]

☝️ 🤓

[polar owl]

they could do that but i doubt they will since they have the formula down to a tea

why are you acting like they have to create a whole new engine just for mp

lol

[feral plover]

my question is where is the proof they can’t make a multiplayer

Like what part of your asshole did you dig into to say “well they need to spend time on single player!” as if the single player they already make was a banger.

[solar crown]

you do know that by working on the multiplayer, it will be directly taking away time and developers from making the singleplayer???

this extremely simple concept surely isn't that fucking hard to understand???

[elder viper]

Or do what they did with 2016 and have other devs work on the multiplayer

[solar crown]

🤓 could have been hired to help on the SP

[elder viper]

Why? Have id work on the sp and other devs make the mp

You don’t need to hire another dev team to help id with the SP

[solar crown]

and you don't really need a mp gamemode in a sp game either

[elder viper]

Every mainline Doom game minus Doom 64 has had some form of multiplayer

[solar crown]

ok, and?

[elder viper]

Literally this message here. Your acting like it would be such a travesty to have multiplayer or something. As if the single player would have terrible quality if they added mp

[solar crown]

no but it will be less
even a 1% dip in quality is too much for just a side gamemode

[elder viper]

How do you know that? Your telling me that DOOM 2016 the game with an Overwhelmingly Positive review score on Steam. Had a quality drop in its campaign cause it had multiplayer?

[solar crown]

is this a real question? 2016 has clear roughness around the edges. namely it's weapon imbalance

plus "Overwhelmingly Positive" =/= perfect

[elder viper]

Ok that’s fair. But your telling me that the weapon imbalance in a game literally meant to give you a power fantasy is such a huge problem that an entire game mode needs to be cut?

[solar crown]

it was an example

[elder viper]

Well you said “even a 1% dip in quality”

[solar crown]

yeah

point still stands, you don't need an extra gamemode if the game itself still needs improvement

[warm swift]

will there be a new doom game coming soon is it in development or is it being prepared

[elder viper]

That’s why you have a separate dev team to work on the other mode? Where gonna go in circles here let’s just agree to disagree

[elder viper]

id Softwares making a new game but we don’t know if it’s Doom related or not

[solar crown]

yeah and....you can have those devs working on the game too

[elder viper]

Sure

[warm swift]

i loved eternal havent played the dlc tho

[elder viper]

DLCs fun

[warm swift]

the music is cool and the vibrations on your controller in mars base is sick

[elder viper]

If you want more Mick Gordon he did some of the music in Atomic Heart

[warm swift]

heard its good ill check it out

[elder viper]

Games fun. Bit wacky but it’s fun

[warm swift]

btw is it true he used a human femur in exultia ambience

heard it idk if true doe

[solar crown]

never heard of that before so probably not

[warm swift]

its called a kingling i think

[elder viper]

Looked it up says he used some sort of Tibetan instrument for the Killer Instinct and Doom soundtracks

[warm swift]

ok

[polar owl]

I fully agree with you they 1000% will make mp for the new quake game.

[polar owl]

Bro.

[feral plover]

Doom 65

[atomic compass]

Doom 666

[feral plover]

No way really? Putting work into developing a banger video game takes effort?

crazy

[solar crown]

yes, truly a shocker for some people who think you can just freely summon effort to make huge partions of the game, crazy

[woven siren]

thats ur opinion then

imo just don't put too much effort on the mp

[feral plover]

Id owns Machine games. They have access to other collaborators as well

[feral plover]

or imo. Make a decent game as many FPS before have

Titanfall 2, Halo, Old call of duty

Doom 2016 is a good game

[woven siren]

dumb simple deathmatch would not be hard for id or any dev they hired to crank out

[feral plover]

Battlefield 2042 didnt cut Campaign cause they needed more time. Dice is incompetent and lazy

[feral plover]

1% is 1%

nobody is expecting Doom multiplayer to be the next Apex Legends or Fortnite. It should compete on its own terms and do what Fans liked

[woven siren]

yeah exactly

[feral plover]

Why Quake is important to have both Multiplayer and Single-player

[woven siren]

i don't think she gets that

[feral plover]

Multiplayer games fail because they are competing for trends, not because its for the fans

[woven siren]

we don't want a super fleshed out mp, just let us fight each other and we good

[elder viper]

They don’t own MachineGames. Bethesda owns all of them. But yeah id Software has access to ton of collaborators for sure

[feral plover]

If ur saying Doom mp has to be perfect. Then go play Fortnite

[solar crown]

except it would still need to have th efeel ofd the new doom game, otherwise like, what's the point

[woven siren]

it will be fun

[feral plover]

Point is fans want classic deathmatch. Not 2016 call of Doom or Battlemode

Ok yes if u like that stuff good for u but ik the overall fans want classic deathmatch

[solar crown]

then what is stopping them from just playing a game with classic deathmatch?
why does id need to pay for someone to put in the effort to do literally nothing with the mp?

[woven siren]

it doesn't have to fucking match the sp experience, please look at the other previous doom multiplayers

[woven siren]

because they wanna do it with this one dummy

new weapon balance and maybe movement

[feral plover]

Because the games with deathmatch last time i checked is called Quake champions

[solar crown]

ok, then play it

if it's just deathmatch you can put together in 10 minutes go ahead

[feral plover]

Quake live is diff from Quake Champions

if u did ur research u’d know

[solar crown]

....then play quake live?

[woven siren]

if only it was that easy

[feral plover]

A new modern audience isnt gonna just go on steam and search up Quake live and boost the player base

[woven siren]

or or or

new quake game

[solar crown]

so you just want do use doom's fame to be exploited so you can have a popular deathmatch game, not actually have a doom deathmatch

[woven siren]

why tf do u say exploited

[feral plover]

When did i say “not actually have a doom deathmatch”

[solar crown]

cause now your point is just "i want an modern audiance"

[woven siren]

ok luci

what if they finish the game

then add mp in an update

[solar crown]

if the crunch of having to make the core game itself is over, sure

[woven siren]

ok then 👍

[solar crown]

why can't they just make a doom styled MP game

[feral plover]

sir r u ok

[woven siren]

might as well just make quake at that point

[feral plover]

we have been saying that the whole time

[woven siren]

she means standalone game

[feral plover]

Yea not gonna work in modern day and its a stupid trend

Shooters should have both. We did have both

[solar crown]

They really shouldn't "have" both

That's worded poorly

[feral plover]

yea u ever wonder why quake champions died. It was competing in the Live Service mp space

A multiplayer cant stand alone. But a multiplayer does provide another experience with single player

not to mention i mean who doesnt want Doom multiplayer

[solar crown]

✋

[feral plover]

In the end of the day. Wheres the proof Id wasn’t competent making a mp. Or at least add some mp support. They still want some online playability in their games

because they know they want fans to keep coming back

[feral plover]

and yea i bet thats what the quake game will do

[solar crown]

Then make a great sp game?

Most of eternal's replayability was not in BM

[feral plover]

we clearly have fans who want deathmatch. People have played and enjoyed those 1v1’s since Doom 2

[solar crown]

Then they can play them in doom2 :)

[feral plover]

and they cant play if theres no decently big playerbase to play it

[woven siren]

but they wanna do it with the new doom's stuff

[solar crown]

I'm certain theres still some discords that play og doom deathmatch

[solar crown]

Quite hard if they inovate on eternal's gameplay

[feral plover]

• remove weapon mods
• Allow players to use all weapons and collect around the map
• Multiplayer Maps

The dash gimmick in Eternal is similar to Unreal Tournement

[woven siren]

this is subjective at this point on if a tiny drop in quality is worth multiplayer, because we value different things

[solar crown]

Sounds like you want quake multiplayer, not a nudoom multiplayer

[feral plover]

no way rlly. Quake and Doom share similar quirks

i wouldnt have noticed

[solar crown]

Doesn't mean if you make doom MP it will just be quake but a bit more red

[feral plover]

Have u seen doom 2 deathmatch

Both are Arena Shooters

[solar crown]

I didn't know ID only made graphical updates in eternal and didn't touch the gameplay at all

[feral plover]

If u played Doom then Quake is very similar with its fast movement gameplay in an Arena

Do the research or wear a tinfoil hat

[solar crown]

Don't forget the lite resource management

[solar crown]

I mean, it just sounds likr you want to play quake, not actually have a nudoom mp....

[feral plover]

Have u played doom multiplayer

[solar crown]

Have you played doom? It's not a copy of quake

Heavily inspired but not 1:1

[feral plover]

not 1 to 1 but their gameplay philosophies hasnt changed

they Influenced eachother in several ways

i wouldnt be surprised if the next Quake game is Eternal with extra steps on it

[solar crown]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean for "doom's" multiplayer we should just not make a doom multiplayer and instead just waste time remaking quake for no reason

Remakig quake in doom*
Not actually remaking quake mind you

[feral plover]

If Quake isnt about running around with Ranger shooting Monsters then thats not at all true to Quake

Even Quake 2 and 4 was the same idea

with a different coat of paint

[solar crown]

That doesn't explain the gameplay loop at all lol, you can say that's nearly every shooter iyou just change the names

"If cod isnt about running around with soldierman shooting soldiers then thats not at all true to cod"

[feral plover]

🤓actually you’re shooting behind cover firing at soldiers who walk in line like a shooting Alley

[feral plover]

So yes u havent played Quake

Good to know.

[solar crown]

It explains literally nothing qua gameplay except you have guns, and you can walk

I can say the same thing about doom eternal, og doom, and halo but they are all fairly different shooters

[feral plover]

ah yes taking my words literally

[solar crown]

I skipped over this line

Thought you where talking as if eternal was quake cause "haha you shoot and can wall!!! Same game!"

(Yes i have talked to people who actually think that)

[feral plover]

@woven siren ive taken 20 cans of Dr. pepper

ima need more

[iron spade]

Fortnite:

[feral plover]

apex

[feral plover]

The next doom game should reference the hit children's cartoon of the 2000s Spongebob in some way

[woven siren]

...do you understand what dumb simple deathmatch means

[solar crown]

Yeah but it won't actually be doom MP

It's just included in a doom game

[woven siren]

yeah and does that matter 💀

it'll be fun and easy for id to tack on

[woven siren]

doom mp has always been different from the sp lmao

just let us shoot each other

[solar crown]

Eternal's was fairly close, just not the one of the demons cause ofc it can't be

[woven siren]

yeah

[solar crown]

Cod, quake, other mp games

[woven siren]

yeah but in doom

[solar crown]

Again, you literally dont want a doom mp

[woven siren]

because this doom will have its own movement quirks and weapons

[solar crown]

You want another game to be included in a doom game

[woven siren]

😱

no i want to be able to shoot each other using the doom weapons and movement

[solar crown]

Why not just have 2 seperate games? Then each can be focused on to it's fullest potentional

[woven siren]

you clearly don't spend much time with mp fps lmao

[solar crown]

Instead of having to keep 1 dragged along

[solar crown]

I do
Most suck in either sp or mp, and the ones that don't are actually just the same game

[woven siren]

so many fucking afps r literally just quake with a new weaponset and a new movement quirk and that already changes so much

you'd be the type of mf to ask why cpma exists lmaooo

guys why not just play quake 3

[solar crown]

But if it's expanded nudoom with all it's resource management and actual right gun for the right job then it just doesn't wash well into mp

You'd have to strip down the parts that make it actually doom to make it mp compatible

[woven siren]

you know that doom already did that

[solar crown]

And in that case you do not have doom but mp

[woven siren]

i already said doom mp is wildly different from sp

[solar crown]

Yeah, and that's bad mp

[woven siren]

we don't give shit if it's "bad", as long as it's fun

[solar crown]

But again, why not have an actual mp game?

[woven siren]

cuz we wanna do it with the nudoom weapons and movement

[solar crown]

That can actually focus on it's multiplayerability, instead of both gamemodes being kinda handicapped by perpetual maintainence of thenother side

[woven siren]

i just said that, are you even listening lmaoo

[solar crown]

Then the game will be awfull as it wont translate well into mp

I also already said that

[woven siren]

i also already replied to this

we don't need to make the mp that good

just rebalance weapon dmg if necessary

[solar crown]

Then why waste the resources making something bad?

Why not make an actually good game?

[woven siren]

cuz it'll be fun ☠️

and quick and dirty for id to make without having to make a wholeass game

[solar crown]

But it wont cause the gameplay will suck, cause it wont actually be doom

[woven siren]

it'll suck if you're you

this is entirely subjective atp

[solar crown]

Ok so just to sum it up

Doom mp won't actually be doom = it's bad cause.... it's not doom (obviously)
Doom mp will be doom = gameplay won't fit and it's also bad

Am i missing anything except ypu whining that you don't care if it's doom or not? Cause you're not really relevant if you don't care for the doom mp

[woven siren]

doom mp won't actually be doom = it can still be good bc it's fun ☠️

[solar crown]

Not that means "make an actual good mp game"

[woven siren]

quake mp is NOT representative of the quake sp lmfaoooo

[solar crown]

"Fun" is subjective
"Bad doom mp" is objective

[solar crown]

Then it sucks as a quake mp

[woven siren]

what abt "bad mp"

[solar crown]

The gamemode can be the absolutely best gamemode on earth
But it can still fucking suck as a mp of a game

[woven siren]

aaaaaand argument over

[solar crown]

Imagine a cod sp where you just dig a hole to mine diamonds and no shootimg
That is, objectivally, a bad cod sp

Instead, they should make an actually new game that has that instead of restricting the game

[woven siren]

i do not give a shit about the second point, that is where we differ

not worth debating atp

[solar crown]

Except you do? You want to FORCE it to be doom, despite it not being doom

[woven siren]

???

[solar crown]

This whole argument is literally you wanting a game to be something it isn't

[woven siren]

ughhh i said i want an afps with the nudoom guns and movement jesus

[woven siren]

no it's me wanting an afps with nudoom guns and movement

[solar crown]

But without it actually being doom

[woven siren]

jeeeeesus

is doom 2 mp not doom

[solar crown]

You want a MP spinoff game, not an actual mp gamemode of nudoom

[woven siren]

is doom 3 mp not doom

[woven siren]

that's how it'll play, yes

and if it's fun i don't care

[solar crown]

Isn't the gameplay identical to the sp except against players

[woven siren]

this argument was already solved when we said id could add it in an update

[woven siren]

the gameplay doesn't follow the core aspects of sp doom

it's basically just run to the nearest op weapon and wait til you see the other person

then camp near resources

[solar crown]

Sounds like a minor change compared to removing the resource management and great weapon choices for certain demo-
Ah except the camping

[woven siren]

anyway

if i had to choose, i would prefer a new quake to a doom mp like u said

but if they want to add a new doom mp i would love it too

[feral plover]

Theres no regenerating health in Classic Doom mp

[feral plover]

once again misunderstanding and pushing a false narrative

these terms of Gamemode or Spin Off dont mean shit

[feral plover]

in addition, its not FORCED if every title had an online experience

meaning it IS a Standard Id software put themselves

[solar crown]

then it can still be forced

[solar crown]

no? you literally do not want a doom mp. you want quake that just looks like doom

[feral plover]

Is expecting a Forge Mode in every Halo game forced. No its a standard

Is expecting every Black ops game a zombies mode forced? no its a standard

[feral plover]

So u havent actually played classic doom multiplayer

Do the research before making a claim bro

[solar crown]

the difference is that noone ever really cares about doom MP. it's always just a footnote, a "fun fact"

[feral plover]

Make the research.

[solar crown]

i'm not gonna go to in depth guides about the specifics of a gamemode YOU brought up

[feral plover]

Make the research.

[solar crown]

ah yes. spam the same meaningless message over and over

[feral plover]

U cant make a counterargument against me so you are just ignorantly trolling for everyones amusement

[solar crown]

you cna't even accept the fact you literally don't want a nudoom MP, you want quake

[feral plover]

Yea i understand the point of Id should divert resources for single player. Thats a valid point.

Except it would be proven wrong because every title had at least a Deathmatch on it or some kind of multiplayer experience

[solar crown]

and? aren't new entries supposed to improve on what came before?

so if "deathmatch is barely played and it doesn't fit the game anymore" is a thing then maybe just.... don't make a deathmatch for that game?

orrr....... make a MP game instead? so you can fully focus on the multiplayer so that it can actually shine instead of being a weird frankenstein monster from the sp

[feral plover]

how is it improving by cutting online in general.

Id clearly believed battlemode would be a next level of fun for fans which maybe not but still put effort in there

[feral plover]

yea and look how a F2P title of theirs came out

[solar crown]

by diverting the otherwise "lost" resources into the singleplayer? sounds like a pretty great improvement if most people wouldn't play the MP anyways

[feral plover]

i dont have to admit i want Doom to be like Quake. Because thats already obvious

[solar crown]

sounds like people don't care for a mp then.....

[feral plover]

they dont care for a mp because Id isnt good at making a live service plan

people want complete games

[solar crown]

launch a complete MP game

[feral plover]

what the fuck is a complete MP game then

[solar crown]

one that has all it's content at launch?
balance patches can always come and the game is still "completed"

[feral plover]

what is a complete MP game tell me

wheres that cause last time i checked. Its just Live Service bullshit mtx

[solar crown]

you know what "complete" means right

[feral plover]

you know what “Common sense” is right

[solar crown]

yeah, unlike you i think i do

but like, you do just know what a "completed game" is right

[feral plover]

Name one for me then

[solar crown]

just because they are not as profitable as drip feeding, half finished MTX ridden games doesn't mean they physically can't exist

[solar crown]

ah yes and then you'll just hit me with the "no true Scotsman" fallacy

[feral plover]

Cause u cant name one

[solar crown]

🤡 "but it has a shitty SP gamemode!"
🤡 "but it got a few updates afterwords!!!1"

[feral plover]

cause theres no such thing as a complete multiplayer experience without support from its Community or Devs who will still put features on top

[solar crown]

????

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1141765599568076981/1146453862329360425/image.png
is something wrong with your eyes mate

[feral plover]

and ive stated a million times a Multiplayer only game in this day of age isnt gonna survive without more than just balance patches for support

[solar crown]

sounds like the fans don't want a MP game then

tough luck, maybe try quake next. that sounds exactly what you are looking for

[feral plover]

u dont even know what doom mp is?

On god

[solar crown]

there has been no MP doom game?

btw i'm talking about the relevant doom games for this, new doom

[feral plover]

on god

[solar crown]

eternal has changed quite a lot since the OG games, i hope you aren't as much of a wall on that point aswell

[feral plover]

on God 😂

[solar crown]

it literally is not wrong what i said

[glad pawn]

nearly 4 days of arguing is jokes

get a grip my gs

[feral plover]

is the popeyes or chick-fil-a sandwich good

[glad pawn]

both

[feral plover]

Ye but im kinda short rn

[solar crown]

buy half of each

[glad pawn]

js get popeyes ngl

[feral plover]

Ok. Ill go to Taco Bell

[glad pawn]

do what you want

[glad pawn]

[next sun]

[atomic compass]

caco bell

[feral plover]

Do NOT eat the Caco Taco!!

It will give you bad abdominal pain and Diarrhea.

Vomiting may (most likely will) be a side effect aswell.

[polar owl]

Dude why is this mf so against multi-player like holy shit it's been 2 days bro

[solar crown]

I'm against worsening the game just to force mp

[sand rover]

Hear me out: The next doom game should have co-op. Take dead space three for example- as a co-op game it was wonderful, but as a dead space game it lacked that horror and atmosphere we loved. Lets not let the next doom game choose between originality and multiplayer, let it have both. Also- more game modes would be nice- like a doom 2016 vibe

[woven schooner]

It’s funny you should say that cause I was going through some old games and this sounds very…similar

gifs are disabled and it’s ruining my joke :c

||is wolfenstein||

[lilac ridge]

n

[serene raptor]

well a new doom game might be a long while tbh
hugo martin himself hinted at a quake game instead in an interview before

doom co-op would be amazing only in a separate, co-op campaign i guess
doom slayer having a demon-slaying partner seems kinda odd lorewise but if done right maybe it could work

[sand rover]

it would possibly be a sentinel that he needs for access to get to (campaign worthy places), or hell even a marine (idk how that would work lore wise but it could work)

[serene raptor]

yep as long as its done right itll be awesome!

[indigo jackal]

The next doom game should be the Ohio rizzlers vs the Baltimore chugalugans

[feral plover]

ID software

HIGHER THIS MAN!!

We need the slayer fighting in goober city

Facing off the 100 gyatts

And OBAMA GET DOWN!!! Doing the griddy fortnite style

While the final boss is Rick Ashley himself

And then the slayer faces off against incredible gassy

All the while skibidi toilets start invading OHIO 💀

It would be soo Joever

[solar crown]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-funny-wtf-wth-jesse-gif-17336046

[feral plover]

It's called ADVANCED HUMOR.

Only 19 year Olds like me would understand smh

[short mantle]

you made a typo with that "1" in your age...

[feral plover]

I wish I was 9. I miss 2013 sooo much 😔

[fluid plume]

That is cursed💀

[keen cradle]

bro no wayy my idea is doomslayer gets memory of what samuel hayden did to him in doom 2016 and how he stole the crucible then destroyed him ig (my brain isnt braining anymore)

[loud prawn]

There’s no shot we’re the same age with the way you act

[elder viper]

Doomguy definitely remembers what Hayden did at the end of 2016

[feral plover]

he still in the womb

[keen cradle]

then why was he fine with hayden

[cyan notch]

I think so.

[hoary kite]

next doom game should have some of the rpg demons

[elder viper]

He wasn’t. It’s obvious by Doomguy’s body language he doesn’t like Hayden. He only had to go get him because Hayden knew how to get to the final Hell Priest

I mean look at how he rips Hayden off of his station and throws him through the portal back to the Fortress of Doom

[keen cradle]

oh

true

[low forge]

I don't think we need a new DOOM at all

even after 20 years

let them just give us the tools to create mods for doom Eternal

[hoary kite]

thats a very very hot take

[woven siren]

nah

hot enough to make your skin red but not to burn it

[solar crown]

I mean it doesn't really matter whether or not we need one, microsoft will want one regardless cause of the money it makes

[elder viper]

We still need to know what happened to Samur at the end of TAG1 not to mention they talked about beings stronger then Davoth

[low forge]

Who cares about it

I hope if another game will be released, it will be a prequel

[elder viper]

Cause that’s like basic storytelling. Don’t make plot points without ever intending to finish them that’s stupid. And this is clearly not one of those “Up to viewer interpretation” moments

[elder viper]

Why? We already mostly everything important that happened in the past.

If anything that would a waste of time to make

[low forge]

It's just boring to answer this question. let samur rest somewhere on the beach, making a whole game out of him is stupid

[low forge]

just want to play in the past, why do we need more plot?

[elder viper]

And I could say the same for going in the past. Especially since we already know everything that happened

[runic jungle]

doomguy should kill samyr in the first level of the next game. then you know you are playing a sequel.

[solar crown]

samur is only at the beginning of his transformations, could become whatever the fuck ID can think of qua monster

[solar crown]

but there is nothing to really do in the past? nothing new atleast

[hidden grotto]

Would it make some kind of sense for Samur to be one of the Makyrs that sealed Doomguy in his tomb at the end of TAG2?

[solar crown]

a sentinel game would be kinda meh qua lore, we already know whatever will happen anyways

[solar crown]

no cause he transformed wildly

[hidden grotto]

true

[runic jungle]

it would be cool to go back to 2016 designs with samur running hte show again

[solar crown]

yeah but obv wildly different, just copying 2016 would be bad lol

[hidden grotto]

An intro cutscene of Samur or some random Makyr reconstructing Doomguy's corpse to make him fresh and alive again would go pretty hard

"Even death won't stop the Doom Slayer."

[solar crown]

he's not death though

[hidden grotto]

He's just temporarily in an eternal slumber

Maybe his body is rotting, maybe it isn't

[solar crown]

highly likely not

[hidden grotto]

The machine that granted Doomguy his powers also gave him the ability to never age

[solar crown]

one of the few powers t gave

[hidden grotto]

so his body rotting away is probably a big no

It even ties back to Davoth, since he was the one who influenced Samur to take Doomguy to the machine and give him his power

Literally everything could possibly be tied back to Davoth since without him, Doomguy would never get his powers, the Khan Makyr would not die, and other lore stuff would be changed drastically

"Tell me... have you nothing to say to your creator... before you strike him down?"

[woven siren]

d2016 snapmaps, classic doom and doom 3 modding

not to mention classic doom mapping has progressed so much you literally have different genres, styles, and eras of maps lmao

[solar crown]

I was refering to their message which was about the plot

[woven siren]

ahh

[rain bay]

No

Here have an invulnerability because doom eternal is gonna be 4 years old soon enough

[oblique zinc]

They are prob gonna go work on quake games instead for a while

Btw is quake is a good game

[elder viper]

Yes Quake is a good game

[oblique zinc]

Which one should I play

[elder viper]

Quake 1 and 2 are straight heat. They don’t have any direct connection despite the name so it doesn’t really matter

Though Quake 4 connects to Quake 2 in terms of story while Quake 3 is a multiplayer game same with Quake Champions

And Quake 1 has little to nothing to do with any of them

Oh yeah and there’s Quake Wards but idk anything about that one

The whole series has a constant identity crisis and has been passed around to so many developers

[oblique zinc]

Rank all them worst to best

[elder viper]

From best to worst:

-Quake
-Quake 2
-Quake 3
-Quake Champions
-Quake 4

Not putting Quake Wars on the list since I know next to nothing about it

[woven siren]

multiplayer:

-Quake 3
-Quake
-Quake 4

haven't tried qc or q2 mp

[elder viper]

Quake Champions got some jank. LOVE Quake 2’s movement though

[rose topaz]

I saw in a video review that quake 2 has good netcode. This might be a good opportunity to give it a try

[atomic compass]

Literally just completed Quake 2: Call of the Machine today and wow I was surprised by the amount of story put into that one

Gameplay though? Mixed bag

[atomic compass]

Unless Quake 2: Call of the Machine is put into play har har

[atomic compass]

Personally I liked Quake 1's

Makes you feel more natural while Quake 2 feels kinda feels like standard FPS movement

[atomic compass]

Do give it a try. I gotta say though, base campaign is kinda mid but the expansions are WAY better

[elder viper]

You got a point

[feral plover]

Ouch

[rose topaz]

I need some friends to play, but this kind of game is not popular in my region. I wonder if 150+ ms ping is playable

[rose topaz]

What is jank?

I am not familiar with QC

[woven siren]

jank is slang for low quality

qc has some parts that are low quality (the engine)

iirc netcode is kinda sucky and there's a significant hitbox detection problem

[rose topaz]

I see

[feral plover]

then again at the time there werent many games that were like the standard

Half Life didnt release till like 1998 a year later

[feral plover]

Lobe me some Jank in video games

A game can't be complete without them

[crude oxide]

is doom possibly getting a sequel after eternal?

[feral lake]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[feral plover]

the franchise is far from over

[hidden grotto]

How would an intro to a Doom Eternal sequel look like

maybe Doomguy breaking out of his containment or something

[grave plaza]

But for what reason
"And may we never need you again"
My only dumb thing is Maykrs taking him off the coffin to fight idk, Jonesy Fortnite ig

[hidden grotto]

so all life is now gone except Doomguy, The Makyrs(?), The "Ancient Gods" that were watching Doomguy get put in his coffin
Did I get it right

[grave plaza]

Humans

Demons are trapped in hell, for now

[hidden grotto]

for now.

[feral plover]

no matter the story i believe it isnt a big deal whatever Id throws at us for the story

Because in the end of the day i believe good gameplay can carry something further

Or at least an Iconic flow of gameplay people can get behind

[solar crown]

Starting with another protagonist

[timid wedge]

A new protagonist in doom would be weird asf in my opinion

[solar crown]

As if doomguy had a lot going for him

[woven siren]

👆

only iconic design-wise w/ the exposed abs tbh

[restive path]

@bleak cairn give you theories where doom go

for me ❤️

[feral plover]

Huh? No, just demons outside of Hell got vaporized. Everyone else is fine.

[hidden grotto]

its just that the gateway between Hell and the other worlds is gone

And without Davoth, their leader, the demons are just doing god knows what

[feral plover]

i mean it doesnt really need to be that deep

Mario is a prime example

[woven siren]

mario is instantly recognizable even with a very simple silhouette

if you cut out the tiny details on doomguy you can't really tell

[feral plover]

that seems like cherry picking whether people can tell its Doom guy or not because of his "design" in a specific quality

[woven siren]

but that was kind of the point, generic space marine

[woven siren]

what

doomguy needs specific, smaller details to distinguish his silhouette and his design isn't that unique

[woven siren]

but ^^^

[feral plover]

because doom guy is a generic space marine

[woven siren]

design wise

[feral plover]

Even in doom 1993 he wasnt the only dude wearing the same outfit on the cover

[woven siren]

yeah exactly

he doesn't NEED to be unique

[feral plover]

Design wise can be pretty opinionated. But facts alone Doom guy has enough Marketing etc. already

[woven siren]

doom fans can tell when it's doomguy w/ the color scheme and the littler details and that's good enough

[feral plover]

He has his own fortnite skin which only brings more awareness how he looks

[woven siren]

yeah

[feral plover]

then what was your point here

im not against changing his outfit. Its obvious it would change. But he clearly has a silhouette

[woven siren]

someone said doomguy doesn't have much going for him as a character

[woven siren]

yeah but it's not as instantly recognizable was my point

doesn't matter anyway, i think he looks cool, and he's unique enough

[feral plover]

ok

[feral plover]

my take is if a new doom game is a new protagonist id rather have it as a Spin-off

making a new protagonist doesnt really mean much in the Doom series if the new character doesnt offer any actual important back ground etc. Doom guy doesnt have any either. Which proves my point "it just works"

if anything it could cause controversey and cause fans to be more nit picky of this new protagonist

God of War is an example of a game where it does introduce a new protagonist without taking away the power fantasy of being Kratos. A sidekick that you occasionally play as and has a role in gameplay without disregarding or "disrespecting" Kratos in any way through the writing

[woven siren]

yeah

[elder viper]

Yeah as if they really needed Davoth in the first place. The demons are so chaotic having a leader didnt even give them some sort of order

The demons fight purely in size they lack any sense of strategy

[solar crown]

They didn't really have davoth either for a majority of the time, just other dark lords

[elder viper]

Yeah and those Dark Lords didn’t even really rule. They where just the strongest demon at the time. They closest to a legitimate ruler we ever got was the Maledict

[feral plover]

The Imperatrix is implied to outright be mind-controlling the demons in 2016.

If not mind-controlling then at least mind... directing? She lives in their minds and points them towards a goal, bypassing the typical Hell leadership tactic of "DO THIS OR I WILL FEED YOUR SOUL TO THE SHITGOBLINS OF THE SEPTIC PIT etc".

[keen cradle]

gift me it (real)

i never have vbux to buy any skin

joking btw

[meager dew]

💀

[feral plover]

d

[crude oxide]

late response but thx lol

[ashen glacier]

I heard there's never gonna be another game and I had a heart attack

[elder viper]

They’ll definitely make another

[frosty ridge]

i had like an idea for a new doom game like a infinite rounds survival mode were the doom slayer is in hell after getting stuck in there

[autumn mortar]

Doom Rogue Like

Or is it lite I can never remember

[frosty ridge]

No like a COD zombies but in a doom style

[autumn mortar]

Call of Doom

[feral plover]

• Round like levels
• Every 10 rounds is a goofy set of demons
• Special variant demons on every round
• Mystery box for weapons ig and introduce some unique ones like the Burst rifle etc. but theres limit how many u can hold
• You can stop demons from spawning through hell portals maybe like how u board up walls where zombies move to in cod

The Cola perk system can be like for Runes

And weapon ammo is scarce. Chainsaw has to be unlocked maybe through the Mystery box

or bought from a wall with X- amount of points

[woven siren]

imagine a doom game with no shotgun

[frosty ridge]

We are gonna create the next doom game in here MF

[woven siren]

that's kind of the point

[low forge]

it would be interesting to see in quake 6 all the weapons that have ever been in quake

[atomic compass]

what is quake 5

has that even been confirmed? is it qw? qc?

[low forge]

quake champions is officially codenamed quake 5

I counted, in quake for all 27 years there were 37 types of weapons (not counting quake wars)

[atomic compass]

where

quake wiki doesnt say so

[low forge]

this has been confirmed on the quake discord server

[feral plover]

The next doom game should never have the marauder return again

I hate him. And it seems I'm one of the many ppl who agree that he should not come back in the next installment

Call it "skill issue" but I truly believe his presence is unneeded for future installments of doom

[elder viper]

Shoot when eyes flash green. Literally the most basic of concepts an FPS game can do

If anything they shouldn't have extended the Marauders gimmick to other demons

The Dark Lord is abysmal

[solar crown]

Noone thinks marauders are hard, but they just simply don't fit the gameplay once you're ok and are way too buggy

[frosty ridge]

Like yeah the marauder is hard when you just meet him but when you know how to counter him it’s just the regular enemy of all day but a little more complex to kill

[solar crown]

even when you meet him he's not hard?

maybe for the people that only play the most barebones of fps games and started eternal as first game that isn't mindless fps

[serene raptor]

Marauder is a pain in the behind but once you learned the game he’s manageable like any other demon. It’s like a Souls game tbh lol

[autumn mortar]

Man that game is more dead than the queen

[low forge]

I also couldn't accept the fact that qc is q5, but it's true.

[autumn mortar]

Did people like 3 or 4? Cause it seems people only talk about the first two

But yea qc being overwatch is very not Quake

[elder viper]

3’s strictly multiplayer and 4 has a pretty just ok campaign

[autumn mortar]

I know that the quake 3 tracks in Eternal are much weaker than the Quake 2 ones

[elder viper]

The Stroggification scene was well done though

Either way Quake 6 being a Quake 1 reboot of sorts would be great. Hope we get some sort of announcement either this year or next year

[autumn mortar]

Yea Quake really strikes me as a series that should go back to square 1. Cause QuakeWatch seems lame.

[elder viper]

Identity Crisis the video game

[autumn mortar]

I still hate battlemode Eternal was a perfect opportunity to bring back competitive arena shooters

Or better yet just arena shooters with good pvp at least

[candid dagger]

my hopes is on the MP of the upcoming quakes or a sequel to champions i really don't think thats a bad game

[autumn mortar]

Isn’t the entire point of Quake starting on an even playing field adding different characters with there own strengths in weaknesses seems very antithetical to that

[candid dagger]

yes, but having unique characters is fun as fuck

[autumn mortar]

True idk I just wish it was own series so quake can still be like quake. It feels like if Halo had a hero system (not that it matters with how inept 343 is)

[serene raptor]

Yeah and it’s also a prequel to quake 3 arena iirc

Would be nice to have a singleplayer quake game that’s more horror and lovecraftian-themed

[elder viper]

Would love this

[hoary kite]

i do not care what anyone says

davoth is alive to me he's too awesome to die

[hidden grotto]

bro was the Doom equivalent of Satan and yet he had to use a mechanical suit to fight a human

[solar crown]

He was butchered too much in tag2

[feral plover]

Per the lore, he doesn't have any of his powers in TAG2.

He has to use a mech to compensate - you took his powers.

[solar crown]

The player doesn't

Unless you count destroying vegafather's orb which is eh a bit of a stretch

[feral plover]

The Slayer does in his backstory, is what I mean.

[solar crown]

....no?

You didn't steal his power in the divinity machine, it was given to you by the real peeps that stole it

[feral plover]

My point is that Davoth had powers that he now does not have because they are within the Slayer and thus Davoth's status as "God" or "Satan" has no bearing on his ability.

In TAG2 we are effectively fighting a normal person, albeit one with great authority and control of a cool Warhammer mech.

[elder viper]

Yeah no wonder he got his shit rocked

[still island]

what even were his abilities

[elder viper]

Considering he was god pretty much they where probably really powerful

[still island]

hmmm...

[solar crown]

He could teleport in tag2

[feral plover]

He was ?

[feral plover]

either let doom and quake crossover OR let quake have this level of soft reboot and let the slayer rest for a while

[woven siren]

lol quake doesn't even need a soft reboot

there's so much room for more stories

[solar crown]

Tbf a new doom doesn't need doomguy

[woven siren]

that too

just give them a sick space marine suit

[feral plover]

DOOM got one in 2016 it worked out quite lol reason i say that is because quake has fallen to the wayside a bit they could easily continue it from the OG game as ranger is still travelling through dimenionsal slipgates to get home

[feral plover]

how would you do it with out the slayer?

[woven siren]

new characrer

[solar crown]

....another protagonist?

[feral plover]

well yeah i thought youd have something in mind

[woven siren]

^^

[solar crown]

Just pick up clash from an alternate universe
Problem solved

[woven siren]

*crash

[feral plover]

you know what.....thats a good idea!

i forgot about crash lmao shes fought in the arena thats feasible

or phobos 🤔

[solar crown]

Yes but girlboss 💅

[feral plover]

im down

unleash crash!

[elder viper]

If Call of the Machines ending is canon then I can see how id could maybe loosely integrate Quake with not only Quake II but also Doom and subsequently give us a way to release Doomguy

[feral plover]

I like this

[rose topaz]

I am up for a quake reboot. I am playing the first one now. The game aged pretty well (except for the shamblers. They suck)

I imagine what kind of novelty Id would bring to the quake series

[atomic compass]

If there was gonna be a Quake reboot, id better be making it

[feral plover]

The Slayer

His abilities were what the Slayer can do now.

[solar crown]

Eh only a part

[vast valve]

I have a new DOOM idea

And new combat ideas

[autumn mortar]

I think he might have an idea

That is new

[vast valve]

Where is everyone 💀

No, but seriously

[autumn mortar]

Cool idea

[vast valve]

Bruhhhh

So uh, I think there should be a new DOOM game, called DOOM
{SALVATION}

[autumn mortar]

Like the hit movie Terminator Salvation

[vast valve]

I never knew that existed

[autumn mortar]

Good

[vast valve]

Maybe......DOOM {INFERNAL}

[autumn mortar]

Like the hit video game Infernal

[vast valve]

FUCK

[autumn mortar]

It’s fine no one has played Infernal including me

[vast valve]

Maybe DOOM {REBORN}

[autumn mortar]

Like the hit game The Binding of Issac: Rebirth

[vast valve]

Not even close tbh

[autumn mortar]

Tomato Tomado

[vast valve]

Whatever, what do you think of it?

[autumn mortar]

Sounds like Doom X (X= cool sounding word)

[vast valve]

You think there should be new mechanics?

[autumn mortar]

Yea probably

[vast valve]

Maybe he has two DOOM blades

And he could use them in combat

[autumn mortar]

The Doom Blade isn’t even a mechanic

[vast valve]

I know

I wanna make it a mechanic

[autumn mortar]

If you mean make his melee not ass then sure if it can be reasonably balanced (better than Eternal’s sorry excuse of a default melee)

Though that doesn’t fit the character

[vast valve]

Yeah

[autumn mortar]

He should just punch harder tbh

[pliant kindle]

He's so holding back

[autumn mortar]

But why

[pliant kindle]

Maybe he wants them to suffer

[autumn mortar]

That’s also out of character

[autumn mortar]

I think he just wants them dead as efficiently as possible

[pliant kindle]

If doom was lore accurate: one punch doom slayer

[autumn mortar]

Lore accurate is rarely good design though

[vast valve]

Maybe give him two doom blades and he could easily just spice and dice

[pliant kindle]

And make demon kebabs

[vast valve]

And give him an ability to just immediately glory kill brutally, that gives him ammo, health, crucible or hammer ammo, and maybe even ability refill

[autumn mortar]

He’d look like an assassin’s creed character at that point

[vast valve]

Even better than berserk

[pliant kindle]

That would make the game too easy

[vast valve]

And make the demons stronger than before

[autumn mortar]

Big Sword cooler than double wristblades

[vast valve]

Give demons almost a billion health, maybe add new demons, etc.

[autumn mortar]

This is a terrible idea

[vast valve]

Not the billion health, but uh

Yeah. That's my idea

[autumn mortar]

Honestly the last two doom games did a decent enough job at balancing enemy health (some mods like lock-on are a bit silly though)

[vast valve]

All I'm sayin is, add new demons, make the game harder, and new mechanics

[autumn mortar]

I mean yea but that isn’t much as an idea as an expectation

[vast valve]

I just want it to happen is all

I'm a huge fan, you see

[autumn mortar]

The next game likely won’t be out for awhile anyways

[vast valve]

Maybe add new mechanics to the current game??

[autumn mortar]

The game wouldn’t be designed around that

[vast valve]

New DLC?

[autumn mortar]

You generally should try and finalize your mechanics before really making levels, enemies, etc

[vast valve]

Idk....

[autumn mortar]

Way too late in the game’s lifespan for that

[vast valve]

Oh..

I'll just continue on being a Sonic and fnaf fan instead..

Quit my DOOM life.

[elder viper]

Series aint over bro just wait a bit

[vast valve]

It's been 3 years

[autumn mortar]

I’m fairly sure they’re working on their next game I don’t remember what it was though (it isn’t Doom if I remember right)

[vast valve]

The series can't come to an end in the ancient gods, it CANT

[elder viper]

Yeah? Game development is a long process. There's a 4 year gap between 2016 and Eternal so if anything we might get a teaser soon but dont expect it to be Doom. I'm betting on Quake.

[autumn mortar]

Alota games by themselves take longer than that to make

[vast valve]

How long does it take?

[autumn mortar]

Depends

Generally making games takes longer these days

[vast valve]

Have you seen the doom fans and all that??

They fear the nark of the beast

[autumn mortar]

Especially if you don’t want to release a broken mess like most modern AAA games

[elder viper]

on average from like 3-5 years. For a triple A game at least especially considering the level of detail id Software puts in there environments, character designs, combat mechanics etc etc.

[autumn mortar]

Hopefully they remember to pay their composers this time

[elder viper]

I'd say 5 years at the most for this new game there making. So gives us another year before we see a trailer or teaser of any sorts then another year before release

[autumn mortar]

Or it can sometimes be up to like 7 years like BotW

[elder viper]

YES. Still wish we got an official ost release for Eternal but alas

[elder viper]

True but I feel like an open world game would take longer to make anyway

[autumn mortar]

Ubi be like

Ubi the king of mid

[elder viper]

Ubisoft releasing another generic 3rd person looter game wuth mid ass character designs story and environemnts

[autumn mortar]

I miss the era of Farcry 2-3, AC 2/4 Ubi. At least they tried then

[elder viper]

Only a select few companies I bother to follow let alone new IPs

[autumn mortar]

Hell even AC3 even if the only good part is the plot twist at the start of the game

[elder viper]

Always got my eye on 2K for potential BioShock stuff, same with Gearbox even though Borderlands 3's writing sucks. Valves always in the back of my mind same with id Software.

[autumn mortar]

They don’t have the og director so it doesn’t matter

Also 2 and Infinite are mid

[elder viper]

For BioShock? Yeah but I have a little faith. CloudChamber is made up of some of the old BioShock crew and some of the BioShock 2 people so its not a bad team they have. Either way Ghost Story is making Judas so looks like we got out spiritual succesor on the way anyway

[elder viper]

I disagree but your opinion

[autumn mortar]

Mainly infinite but that’s a whole tangent

Even 1 falls off after the climax

[elder viper]

Yeah Infinites kinda weird I guess? Its story was definetly more confusing then the first 2 but I still enjoyed it. Its a pretty fun shooter and Columbia is a stunning environment. The BioShock games nail there openings imo

[elder viper]

The final boss was a little meh yeah. Though the ending I felt was pretty good all things considered. Though I kinda liked BioShock 2's ending a little more

[autumn mortar]

The villain in the whole second half has zero nuance and is generally a bad character in comparison to the dude you obliterate with the club

[elder viper]

Yeah Lamb overall isnt as interesting as Ryan. But I liked the ending sequences of 2.

[autumn mortar]

Also never liked how picking the good ending option rewards you so heavily making the supposed moral choice pointless

Tbh I can’t talk shit on 2 I never played it, I tried borrowing it from a friend once but his copy was too messed up. I think I mainly dislike how it reuses the setting. I like how Infinite has its own setting.

[elder viper]

2 is still in Rapture but the environments are still different. A lot more open areas then cramped ones

[woven siren]

just play classic doom for more content ya dingus

you want more eternal-style gameplay? tons of new movement shooters

[low forge]

they really were making a new DOOM instead of quake...

[woven siren]

depressiob

[solar crown]

A new doom already with not even a teaser sounds too wild to be true

I hope that if it is doom it wont be underdeveloped

[feral plover]

I agree it's aged like wonder but the shamblers need to get in the bin! Ranger deserves a next gen game !

[solar crown]

What was bad about tbe shamblers

[rose topaz]

Their tracking attack that force you to take cover, peek, shoot, take cover again

[solar crown]

An updated version that forces you to take cover but morr fast paced and less frequent could work

[rose topaz]

I hope that we have less taking cover and more jumping around. Having some sort of parry mechanic might be ok? (marauder feelings)

[solar crown]

I meant it more as in 1 powefull attack they will only do every so often for which you have to quickly bring yourself to safety

A parry mechanic would be not at all a followup of design

[elder viper]

apart of me is kinda sad it’s not quake but yay more doom I guess

[low forge]

at least we know for sure that they planned to do “doom: year zero”

[low forge]

I hope year zero has been abolished

[solar crown]

sounds dumb

an id game is an id game

[woven siren]

think he means the name

cuz year zero sounds stupid; i'm hoping it's a codename

[honest blade]

As a name probably codename but I think it makes sense that the timeline will happen as a prequel of all doom games to establish the first doom slayer

since eternal ends it with putting slayer to sleep

[solar crown]

well definitely

[solar crown]

that would be doomguy, from the OG games

[feral plover]

^^^

Hypothetically if a Doom game were to be called Year Zero I find it most likely this would refer to the beginning of the chronology, which is Doom 1993.

"In the First Age... in the first battle... one stood."
That is the original Doom it's talking about.

[honest blade]

That seems most likely, but also bethesda retconned some elements of the story already so I would not be surprised if they alter it more

[solar crown]

"most likely"
not it's straight up just the case

[mint plinth]

cat is out of the bag

[mint plinth]

most likely

whatever comes out I want official modding support, level editing (snapmap2.0) and invasion mode

[solar crown]

invasion is meh i'd rather have all the MP resources spend on SP

level editing kinda comes with mod support