the-future

[woven siren]

you know you're still restricted to layouts

[solar crown]

pretty sure we are 30 years further

[woven siren]

????? it still applies

you can make a level harder with a few enemy changes without drastically changing the level

[solar crown]

but why not just make the actual enemies harder then?

[woven siren]

because the devs can be more creative this way

[solar crown]

why not have that creativity from the start then?

[woven siren]

i'm not pushing for it, i'm saying it's a cool thing i like

[dull bane]

i guess the devs wanted to make it easier

[solar crown]

if you have a more creative encounter, why not just use that instead of making lesser variations

[solar crown]

that's exactly why the enemies become weaker

[woven siren]

because it's really hard??

[solar crown]

oh no
if only there where ways we could change how strong these enemies are

[woven siren]

what the fuck are you trying to say here?

i like harder variations of a level

[solar crown]

that's what master levels are for yeah

[woven siren]

yeah 💀

i would really like it if harder difficulties worked that way because i find that more interesting than usual dmg boost and atk speed up

besides, devs can get creative with enemy ai and mechanic changes too

[dull bane]

master levels are just the same levels but with harder enemies and other mechanics

[woven siren]

that's it, you don't have to make an argument

[solar crown]

then dont engage in it

[woven siren]

i literally said "i'm not pushing for it, it's just a thing i like" trying to get out of the argument

[solar crown]

then why didn't you leave?

[woven siren]

you came up with a response that i felt was worth responding to

[solar crown]

fair point

[feral plover]

In the future. The next Doom will have advanced fish ai

[warm kraken]

well sense i guessing for the future updates

whiplash added as a battlemode character

and she would be a speed type

ill make a sheet for it

[iron spade]

We need a giant fish as an enemy. Something green. Something big. Something already in the game

[iron spade]

I'd say the zombie should be added as a battlemode character. It's the most strongest demon

The caco is starting to get boring too. We need to make it have a roll ability that looks similar to it's plasma ball but bigger. It is immortal in that state and has the same damage as it's bite. It leaves a hazard on the ground after impact

[iron spade]

Basically buffed stone imp

[feral plover]

Don't shoot the dope fish in eternal!!!

It's bleeds!!

[elder viper]

Idk how true this is but apparently the Game Rating and Administration Committee of Korea has rated the remaster of Quake II. We could be getting a Quake II Remaster reveal at QuakeCon

[potent hornet]

south korea foreshadows events yet to come once more

[next oxide]

The first Quake remaster also had its rating leaked.

[thick coral]

[elder viper]

A rolling Caco? That doesn’t sound good at all we already have a rolling enemy. The point of the Cacodemon is to be aerial and rain down fire on the player

[thick coral]

Cacopog

[feral plover]

Caco taco will be the main antagonist in the next doom game

All hail the mighty caco taco

[atomic compass]

inb4 new DLC to the new Doom game

just like DOOT revenant

[feral plover]

honestly
i want more helmetless and not mute doomguy

his voice is lowkey cool af and he looks EXACTLY like the sprite from the classic games

[potent hornet]

hopefully id will at least let us have new master levels 🙏

final sin master level would actually be insane

[elder viper]

Master Level would be considered a major update soooo sadly no

[potent hornet]

literally just ONE more level

id please i am begging you 😭

also i read somewhere that there would be masters for all remaining levels except sentinel prime 🤔

[elder viper]

That was fake information. Update 6.66 marked the end

[potent hornet]

jamn….

[proper pier]

i think in the next doom there will be a new demon

[iron spade]

Fish demon. Habits purple goo. Shoots purple goo to make you stuck. It has a tongue attack where it pulls the stuck player into it's melee range and bites it

[elder viper]

That’s not true

Be weird to do that at this point unless it was for a special edition of the game or something

[atomic compass]

The game is roughly almost a decade old, so yeah that would be very strange

[potent hornet]

6.5 years is not almost a decade old

but yeah, new dlc is not a possibility, particularly since 2016 runs on an older engine which could cause issues

[atomic compass]

Well you get what I meant, the game has long ceased development

I think this years qc will feature the Q2 rerelease and no new games imo

Then again who am I to say what could happen

[iron spade]

There should be a challenge where you have the berserk and you kill as much demons as you can before the timer runs out

[somber condor]

in which doom?

[elder viper]

I mean not really. idTech 6 runs well still.

[elder viper]

A Quake 2 remaster would be stellar. Even if we get no new game from id this year I would gladly take a Quake 2 remaster

The Quake 1 remaster is great

[atomic compass]

Quake 2 remaster is garaunteed to us considering there is a alleged remaster from some sort of korean approval thing

hang on

just a very short article

[iron spade]

a plasma grenade that releases plasma gas which deal damage and also leaves a hazard on the ground, it doesnt stun enemies, enemies that were in the plasma gas will take damage even if they were not in it for 3 secs.

[fluid bane]

Possibly have Doom Eternal Soundtrack on apple music and spotify?

[elder viper]

Not unless Mick Gordon and id Software can sort things out

Which doesn’t seem to be happening ANYTIME soon

[fluid bane]

Dang

[woven schooner]

a prequel game in between doom 2016 and eternal would be cool

or even a prequel game in between doom 64 and 2016

[atomic compass]

is doom 2016 even a sequel to doom 64

i mean i get the ||ending from the lost levels||

but like, is it actually canon

[woven schooner]

i mean...yea

[atomic compass]

but how though

[woven schooner]

cause ||doomguy traps himself in hell at the end of doom 64, which then leads to him meeting the sentinels and killing the demons so good that he gets a building dropped on him which then leads to 2016||

||also the unmaykr||

[simple sentinel]

Lovecraftian Doom. Take me to Hell so I can rip n tear until it is done.

[elder viper]

Literally Quake

A Quake reboot would be awesome

[atomic compass]

Again let's hope machinegames doesn't do that though, they said they wanted to reboot Quake

lets hope id does that

[elder viper]

MachineGames should be working on Wolfenstein 3. And we don’t want there B Team working on Quake so I imagine id Software would be given the project regardless

[atomic compass]

true dat

[grizzled yew]

pepe

[next oxide]

They’re working on Indiana Jones right now.

Hopefully Wolfenstein 3 is one of their next projects.

[feral plover]

Does anybody think that there is going to be a quakecon this year

[obsidian dock]

Yes but from what I heard there won’t be any exhibit halls

[feral plover]

😦

[obsidian dock]

Yeah a little upsetting cuz I’m dying to see what there next game is

[feral plover]

If only they would tell us if they were planning to make another doom game

[obsidian dock]

Yeah cuz that’s what I’m wanting, I’ll take another quake game but I NEED more doom

[iron spade]

i want a crucible skin, probably BFG colored or Plasma colored

Or maybe even the 2016 one

[wide acorn]

they are

but its diff

[next oxide]

Remember when you had to type cd doom and type either SETUP or DOOM to start the game?

What if it ends up being some sort of a hidden Easter egg/feature in the next game? Like before you reach the menu, you are presented with a fake DOS prompt where you have to type DOOM to access it.

Would make a cool little novelty feature.

[hot chasm]

Reminds me of how Dusk loads up, what a great detail

[woven siren]

yup

[torpid forge]

I agree

[hot chasm]

Soundboomer card

[dim canopy]

If theres another doom game it should take place from the prespective of one of the UAC guards as they have to escape a overrun facilty after ANOTHER incident

Like DOOM 2016ish

[woven siren]

if there's another doom game it should take place from the perspective of the plutonia chaingunners

[potent hornet]

doom 3 and doom vfr were a lot like that iirc

i once heard a cool idea where they could do a genre swap into tactical strategy and have it take place from the perspective of the arc or the sentinel armies finishing the fight after doomslayer’s raid on immora
either an rts like starcraft where you have to build shit then have that shit produce units to fight off the demons
or a tbs like xcom where you have individual troops and you can command them hands-on to fight demons on the battlefield

[feral plover]

hot take: if there's another doom game it should involve killing demons I think

[oak dove]

:O

[next oxide]

and killing demons

and also killing demons

[atomic compass]

and also killing demons too

[thick coral]

And believe it or not, we should get to kill demons in it

[feral plover]

I don't think we should kill demons

We should slay them instead

[muted summit]

dude why demons? thats so stupid it should be just demons instead

[iron spade]

DooMed: You are a cacodemon

[waxen escarp]

I think having usable vehicle segments would be cool. Ancient gods part 2 had ships in the final battle, had dragon riding, but only in cutscenes

[solar crown]

sounds like it would be too disruptful to regular gameplay

unless you integrate it into basekit

[iron spade]

Halo:

[waxen escarp]

Time to time it’s good to have an alternate level that’s different from normal gameplay tho

Lots of games have sniper levels or vehicle levels that break up the general gameplay. It’s fun, and making it still play like doom would be so cool

[solar crown]

every time i replay cultist base i find the revenant section to be an absolute slog

[fleet mauve]

i wouldnt mind some sort of turret that u can use from time to time to mow down enemies

idk about vehicles though

[solar crown]

i'd rather just have the actual gameplay be good with breathers inbetween

and not random interuptions of gameplay you will only do 1-3 times which will have the effort put in as if it's just 1-3 times

[fallow river]

QUAKE V

[elder viper]

QUAKE 1 REBOOT

[atomic compass]

i personally have doubts, im most likely expecting quake 2 remake/remaster/source port or however the shit they will try and have quake 2 run on modern hardware

[elder viper]

Oh yeah that’s for sure coming. The Quake 1 remaster was great so I have high hopes that the Quake 2 remaster will be the same

Though a Quake reboot could be what that game id Softwares working on is

Hopefully

[atomic compass]

I would love that, but then again I have my personal doubts that it will be revealed on QC 2023

[elder viper]

Be great if we got both but yeah I’m expecting the Quake 2 remaster to be first

Which I’m still fine with. Gives me something new to kill time with PLUS we’d be getting cool Quake 2 add ons and stuff

[atomic compass]

That will be sick for sure

[elder viper]

A Quake 2 Horde Mode would be cool as well

With space themed arenas like how the Q1’s Horde Mode is medieval themed

[iron spade]

ADD CACO INTO BATTLE MODE

make the shield soldier playable in battle mode

make him have like a grenade or an equipment that you can choose in the customization menu,
and give him the ability to shoot his shield like the pain elemental, then recharges it in 0.5 secs
and make the shield strong af
and also make him to able to collect health and armor
double jump and stuff
great ideas for a potential playable demon
and dont nerf the living crap out of him like bethesda did with the others in battle mode
make him have like a charged shot where you hold down the fire button then release to shoot a burst of shotgun bullets towards the slayer

[fleet mauve]

fr!!!

[iron spade]

lawnmower

while sipping monster energy

[fleet mauve]

yes

[iron spade]

no wait, a chainsaw with infinite ammo just slowly mowing down demons in eternal

[elder viper]

Would just be a Pain Elemental but worse

[iron spade]

nah

give him his tongue skewer back, it doesnt fully kill you but deals critical damage, then since we have the F key to add another ability, Press F to swallow a Barrel or other props in the map and shoot it back at the player when you click the fire button, Change his name to the Mother Caco, Give him more HP, remove the swallow sticky weakness and we have Caco!

[iron spade]

click to shoot purple thingy, altfire for tongue skewer, F for Swallow Ability, Shift for Dash, A bigger health pool, No sticky weakness, Faster, Bigger, Better

then its perfect

[iron spade]

the pain elemental already sucks, its slow, low damaging and No melee

[iron spade]

this will be even better than the pain elemental

[elder viper]

Can’t argue with that

Forgot you could play as a Caco in 2016

[next oxide]

Trites returning from DOOM 3 as fodder in addition to standard zombies, wdyt?

[next oxide]

the power of god

[next sun]

the power of the sun in the palm of my hands

[stuck ermine]

hEhEhE

[near shell]

I want Quake eternal to be cannon

[feral plover]

honestly a vr doom would be good since vr headsets are becoming affordable for a lot of people

and it was just fun

[atomic compass]

doesnt Doom VFR already exist?

So does Doom 3 VR but I think that's only on Playstation iirc

[short mantle]

Im so mad that i sold my PS4 before i got the chance to play it...
Played DOOM VFR, was hella fun and insane how big even a IMP was in VR

[elder viper]

Just because there somewhat more affordable doesn’t matter. It’s how the game would translate into VR

Doom 3 was a good choice to make into a VR game due to its slower gameplay

[feral plover]

it was a fun idea man

[feral plover]

For when the next doom game is?

[elder viper]

No one knows

[mint plinth]

Hopefully they making something doom related

[iron spade]

Doom but everything is ai generated

[lethal swan]

quake 6

[feral plover]

pls quakecon have something for doom 6 🙏

[elder viper]

Biggest thing at QuakeCon will probably be the rumored Quake 2 remaster

Doubt where getting any new game announcements this year.

Ok maybe at the Game Awards but that’s a stretch

[feral plover]

i actually think id be awesome that since in december it'll be the franchises' 30th anniversary they could announce it there

[atomic compass]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505038972758654989/1136832412475719721/image.png

I was right

[elder viper]

Hey it might not be a new game but this is a huge W in my eyes

[mossy kraken]

i got a feeling for a new vr game. like, doom eternal VFR would hit hard af. with the doom blade and everything? banger.

[solar crown]

Would work rather poorly with all the movement and everything ngl

[woven siren]

one-way trip to vomitland

[mossy kraken]

yeah yall are prolly right.

[teal tiger]

What if the new doom game was called doom forever or doom ultimate

[woven siren]

yuck

[brave charm]

I was thinking Doom Infinite

[woven siren]

name it doom 7 for the funnies

[iron spade]

super doom ultimate

[solar crown]

Ultimate doom mega super infinite extreme lhbtq inclusive II forever greatest expansion (with sex)

[woven siren]

nah, do the elon musk thing and name it doom x

xoom

[iron spade]

zoom

just name it fuckin M

[atomic compass]

Or even cooler, I think Doom Unleashed

Based on Doom 1’s original name set as “Doom: Evil Unleashed”

[woven siren]

i was gonna make a doom fangame called this actually

i was debating on unleashed or unchained

[atomic compass]

What a coinkydink

[woven siren]

the idea for it was to adapt the movement techniques detailed in the doom movement bible into an actual, balanced movement system

[atomic compass]

bible

speaking of Doom Bible has anyone actually managed to make a WAD with Tom's full idea for the Doom Bible?

[woven siren]

not sure but doom 3 fulfills a bunch of stuff from the doom bible

[elder viper]

I mean there are WADs with RPG aspects and stuff. Idk about Toms EXACT vision though

[woven siren]

doom the way tom did instead of dtwid

[slim plinth]

Roses are red
Demons are nocturnal
Halo may be infinite,
BUT DOOM IS ETERNAL

[gaunt hinge]

spoiler alert there's not going to be a new ID game at quakecon except from quake 2

[atomic compass]

Thats what I expect

[elder viper]

Not Doom Forever. Making me think of Duke Nukem Forever

Prime example of why Gearbox shouldn’t touch franchises outside of Borderlands

And there even slowly killing the Borderlands franchise

[floral venture]

Have a question

In Doom Eternal we have rewards for the Quakecon?

[floral venture]

Probably but it will call Doom Returns

[jolly moth]

Is the quake 2 remaster getting the doom 2016 treatment or just a general graphics and feature improvment

[elder viper]

2016 was a reboot. The Quake II remaster will be the same as the Quake 1 and Classic Doom game remasters. So some visual touch ups (but otherwise keeping the original art style) and probably add-ons for players to use as well.

[slim plinth]

QUAKE 2?!?!?!?!

[slim plinth]

WE’RE GETTING A REMASTER?!

[deep pollen]

doom unchained

[elder viper]

yeah. Massive W if you ask me

[feral plover]

maledict should be brought back

[feral plover]

Skibidi toilet will be the final boss of doom eternal 2

[elder viper]

Terrible meme

[iron spade]

please kill me when i hear the skibi toilet sound

[iron spade]

double up

[elder viper]

I’ve seen people refer to GMod as the “Skibidi Toilet Game”

[iron spade]

good god what the fuck is wrong with people

what next? somebody making an SFM of doom slayer skibidi toilet

somebody will one day refer SFM as Skibidi Film Maker

i just know it

[feral plover]

What's a gmod?

[elder viper]

SFM has always been used to make goofy shit so I guess this is just the natural progression sadly

[iron spade]

gmod is gmod

[iron spade]

Emisis Blue:

[feral plover]

Oh yeah. The skibidi toilet game

[elder viper]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-mcride-gif-20992854

[dull bane]

STOP
NO

[deep pollen]

i hate this fucking planet

[cobalt harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1061050438000070736/1137150952185536602/togif-1.gif

i got doom eternal for 10 dollars why is it so cheap now

[atomic compass]

my friend in this server gifted me Doom Eternal after I beat Doom 2 on stream

and 2016 as well

[cobalt harbor]

nice

i got all doom games

[atomic compass]

I'll play them some time after I beat Doom 3 RoE

[cobalt harbor]

i like doom eternalbut i like doom 2016 more

i suck at both

[atomic compass]

surprsing for me to see

I usually see people like Eternal more

[cobalt harbor]

i only played doom cuz my dad used to play doom 1 when he was my age all the time lol

i never knew about doom before

[atomic compass]

for me I starting playing literally this year in Feb after I had the urge to finally play it since I had the money for Doom 1 when it was on sale

Great gaming choice for my part

[cobalt harbor]

nice i got doom 1 for like my left over coins from buying mario kart lmao

[atomic compass]

lol

[cobalt harbor]

i play all doom games on switch bru

[atomic compass]

i was laughing because you were laughing

[cobalt harbor]

doom had a sale i just bought every doom game

im only in this server because i saw it on doom eternal

[atomic compass]

After I beat Doom 2 I also decided to wishlist and buy other id games such as Wolf3D, all of the Quake games, and even the whole Hexen series

[cobalt harbor]

i never plated quake before

[atomic compass]

I joined here because I wanted to see what maps and mods people were playing, and I did play some like the very infamous (no pun inteded) nuts.wad trilogy, and eventually myhouse.wad later

[cobalt harbor]

they look similar to doom

[atomic compass]

Quake 1 is pretty fun
Quake 2 is pretty meh
Quake 3 is kinda dead unless you are going to dedicated servers
Quake 4 I haven't played yet, as well as Quake Live and Champions

[cobalt harbor]

nuts.wad 😭

can u get mods on the nintendo switch?

[atomic compass]

I'm not sure about that, it could be possible if you like went into the switch files or something

but again I'm not sure

[cobalt harbor]

oh. why is doom having a sale if you know?

[atomic compass]

Quakecon

[cobalt harbor]

ohhhh

[atomic compass]

The whole doom bundle is just $38.88 USD which is amazing considering you get all of the games plus Eternal's deluxe version and its expansion DLC

Incredible

[cobalt harbor]

Im planning to get deluxe on friday

[atomic compass]

you might as well also want to get the year one pass too to have the extra DLC goodies
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/505038972758654989/1138219067250053150/image.png

[cobalt harbor]

do you think doom will have future games?

[atomic compass]

for sure

I don't think Hugo Martin is done with the series just yet, I mean there is only 2 games in this current series

Doom 6 has to be called "Doom 666" or something like that is just too perfect

[cobalt harbor]

that would be kinda funny if they named it that

[atomic compass]

Doom 1 had version 1.666

Then 2016 and Eternal later also did that again and had versions 6.66 for those

[cobalt harbor]

eventually it was gonna happen.

[feral plover]

Bro has image perms and is posting shit like this 💀

[tribal mural]

there was a percent off so i got the deluxe for like 9,99 - 12,99 something like that

[atomic compass]

https://tenor.com/view/goodwork-good-clapping-fast-clap-clapping-gif-24799451

[cobalt harbor]

I never heard a gif so hard before

[woven siren]

cacowards

play the cacowards

[atomic compass]

oh yeah I should do that perhaps

[woven siren]

you can also find maps based on mappers' bodies of work on doomwiki

ribbiks, skillsaw, insane_gazebo, benjogami, timeofdeath, and way more

[atomic compass]

I know that

I was specifically looking for Perditions Gate and found it there

[woven siren]

yea but do you know the mappers

[atomic compass]

No

I only knows the Casalis worked on part of TNT:E and most to all of Plutonia, and Romero himself decided to make his own maps for Sigil

All I know

I should remind you I’m more on the newer side, I don’t know a lot yet

[woven siren]

along with the others i listed, tourniquet, rayziik, bemused, nirvana, noreason, danne, and more

i don't know how many i can list lol

[halcyon mica]

What would a Doom be like where you could Glory kill the demons the way you want, that is, another doom vr game but you can control the character's hands By doing a Glory kill so you can Glory kill demons the way you want

[solar crown]

like any other gorey vr game where you can manipulate the body however

[halcyon mica]

Well yes the same shit but more gore

[solar crown]

well no cause it's still vr

it won't really have any more gore then other games could
it would have demons

[woven siren]

would be cool tho

imo though just add more situational glory kills, would be more effort but still sick

[solar crown]

eh with full creativity i feel like it would go boring fast

just more situational ones would be cool enough, and multiple random ones from the same angle

[woven siren]

mhm

[elder viper]

So more or less Blade and Sorcery but Doom?

[halcyon mica]

Well yes, although I could never play it anyway so I don't know how it is

I only know what can be done in the game because of the gameplays

[elder viper]

I mean it could work if it was a sandbox style game but as Da_Luci said already it would get boring fast. I enjoy Blade and Sorcery but it gets boring pretty easily and while I have my game modded. It's not the easiest to mod Quest 2 games for me at least.

If Doom VFR had its arenas and gameplay remade for a more open style of gameplay that woukd be fun

[halcyon mica]

Actually, the only thing I didn't like about Doom VFR since I saw the trailers was how mobility was and that you could use 2 weapons at the same time seemed somewhat uncomfortable to me

[elder viper]

I think 2 weapons is fine. Teleporting is a very common method of movement in VR games to reduce nasuea.

Then again. Many VR games give the option to move with a joystick on the controller

[swift oasis]

A VR doom game allowing you to glory kill demons any way you want would be amazing

[jolly viper]

It would be cool but also get boring after a while

[elder viper]

There are some Doom mods for Blade & Sorcery

[woven schooner]

Considering how fast doom is most of the time, I don’t see this mechanic functioning very well

Also imagine the next game going full retro and having moment similar to quake or dust

[solar crown]

I'd guess you just have a time limit for Gking

[woven siren]

would be sick as long as it was still full of tech imo

[woven schooner]

ye

doom rocket jumping :0

[woven siren]

rocket jumping always existed in doom but horizontally so they're basically just speed boosts :P

arch-vile jumping on top

[solar crown]

Bal boosting is kinda rocketjumping

[woven schooner]

oke

[woven siren]

oh yeah that

[polar owl]

SPOILERS FOR CALL OF THE MACHINE QUAKE 2 REMASTER so. hear me out. doom eternal linked doom 64 into the canon. so in call of the machine there is a section where you end up in quake 1 for just a split second. Maybe this is a hint at quake 5! what do you guys think?

[elder viper]

Quake 5 would be nice and all but I would want a Quake 1 reboot instead. But if id Software wanted to continue the Strogg storyline it would be cool if Shub-Nigerias forces invaded the Strogg and we got some Lovecraft body horror Strogg monsters

[polar owl]

exactly i want quake 1 lovecraftian stuff

but it kinda looks like they are trying to merge both of them

in some way shape or form

[low forge]

Quake 6*

quake 5 = quake: champions

[atomic compass]

Wouldn't Quake 5 be Enemy Territory: Quake Wars?

Which that would make Quake Champions = Quake 6

Anything can be an entry into the Quake series if you think about it since the whole series is an identity crisis

[polar owl]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-emoji-nerdge-gif-23738139

[low forge]

I'm shocked myself, but quake champions is officially considered part 5

this was confirmed by the developer from id

if someone needs proof - I can show it in dm

[teal tiger]

A new Quake game would be cool but let's figure out what the doom eternal free cosmetics would be aswell

[elder viper]

Eternal isn’t being updated anymore so any new cosmetics will just be re runs of stuff we’ve already gotten

[mint plinth]

Well it’s pretty much confirmed that …

How do I do a spoiler thing on iPhone

||test||

||quake 1 and 2 are in the same universe||

[elder viper]

How so?

[atomic compass]

yeah how cause I don't recall ever seeing any connection

[mint plinth]

||new q2 campaign has strogg worshipping images of shub. There are also shamblers that sppear||

[atomic compass]

Maybe through the boxes as Quake 2 does reuse those same boxes from Quake 1

[atomic compass]

Oh cmon why did I have to click it

I haven't even finished the base game yet

[elder viper]

I haven’t played the new episode I wish I didn’t click it. Either way that’s actually fucking awesome

[mint plinth]

Sorry I should of out in a “disclaimer”

[elder viper]

I don’t care for the Strogg but since Quake 1 relies so heavily on Slipgates and portal travel it makes sense that Shubs forces can travel dimensions. Having them intertwine with the Strogg sounds like an awesome set up for a future Quake game

[mint plinth]

I think this all hints the next big ID game

[elder viper]

It’s gotta be a new Quake

At this point I don’t see how it CANT be a new Quake

[mint plinth]

Well it’s quake or doom. Prob quake

[elder viper]

Still feels to early for a new Doom game

[mint plinth]

There are hints of a spin off for doom but time will tell. If we do get a non id spinoff of doom I hope it’s better that that garbage Youngblood

[elder viper]

Really seems like there trying to build not just a Doom universe but a id Software universe

With Hell sealed up it makes perfect sense for Shubs forces to start invading places

And if Shubs forces get ahold of the Strogg and there advanced technology

Then whoever the fuck the next protagonist is gonna be is gonna need some insane weaponry

My current theory is the protagonist of the next id game (assuming it’s Quake) will live on DOOM Eternals Earth. Then the Strogg plus Shubs forces arrive. Then the player will have to journey to release Doomguy all the while fighting off Shubs forces as well as the Strogg

The game ends with the player succeeding in releasing Doomguy but ultimately dies in the process

[mint plinth]

Yah it’s called the “idverse”

Here we go!!!!!!!!

Shub nigwrath, he gets filtered here

But that’s how you pronounce him I think

[elder viper]

I’ve been pronouncing it wrong the entire time

[atomic compass]

[polar owl]

lets gooo you guys get it

[lethal swan]

quake 4 arena

[low forge]

waiting for a teaser on Quakecon 2024

[mint plinth]

Hope we get a teaser sooner than that.

[low forge]

but let's be honest, we know that this will not happen

[solar crown]

teasers don't mean a whole lot atleast

like oh wow a 10 seconds incredibly vague clip that it's gonna be a game that will only properly be defined in another year!!!

[atomic compass]

yeah just like sonic frontiers in 2021

[polar owl]

dude nothing at quakecon besides the remaster... this is so sad

[elder viper]

Ok yeah but it could still confirm what where gonna get at the very least

[elder viper]

While I doubt it. It’s possible we could see a trailer at The Game Awards

[atomic compass]

I just hope we see an id game from any possible trustable source that shows a teaser or a trailer of any sort

[novel tinsel]

Is there going to be another doom game?

[woven schooner]

i really dont know

[elder viper]

Probably

[solar crown]

We are gonna get something anyways so idk don't really see that as important at all

[low forge]

the only question is when

[solar crown]

even if a teaser says when you still have to wait for literal years

plus an incredibly likely delay so tack a few months extra on it

[atomic compass]

yeah like cough ES6

[mint plinth]

teaser can happen at any time, maybe gamescon, maybe the overhyped rewards show. Giving us actual gameplay however probably will not be till next QC

and being owned by MS now, means they want tighter release windows so ID is probably reluctant to show us anything till they know it will be relaeased within a reasonble time frame. I dont think they want to deal with the Doom Eternal crunch again

[elder viper]

To build hype? Why else do they make trailers? It’s good for marketing and advertisement

[novel tinsel]

If doom is gonna be a once every ten years game like fallout or skyrim then oh boy

[elder viper]

This is only the second game since the reboot man chill

[feral plover]

What is the future about

[atomic compass]

Plus it only took 4 years from 2016 to Eternal

[novel tinsel]

Bro sorry

[atomic compass]

well it's made of virtual insanity

[novel tinsel]

It was more of a joke bro

[elder viper]

my bad

[feral plover]

Do we predict the future?

[atomic compass]

yes

and you put your hopes in what the franchise would bring for the future, like what doom games would have

this could be anything, from enemies, weapons, features, etc

[elder viper]

This channels about talking about the potential future of this franchise

[feral plover]

Ok thank you

[solar crown]

Doesn't matter much if we are gonna get that now or a year before release
If anything then the big casual audiance would actually have it on their radar

[mossy kraken]

What did i miss since quakecon 2023?

[elder viper]

Only big thing revealed was the Quake 2 remaster

[novel tinsel]

I'm ready for the next doom game

hopefully they don't butcher it

[vagrant plume]

IM ready for the Next Doom, So far been playing Doom (Classic) for the memories. hope they do a epic reveal for a DOOM game soon

[novel tinsel]

Next game Doom: Insurection of the Slayer. After the final battle against hell, it would soon fall without the dark lord. The slayer has been asleep after being betrayed by the father. An older intern manages to make it to the ingmore sanctum and wakes the slayer up. The slayer then begins the journey to make it to the plane of existence the father currently exists on and kill him, ending the father's treachery.

[sage frigate]

guys what do you think they will do something for the 30 year anniversary

[woven siren]

i really really hope they commemorate all the insane speedrunners and players

[woven schooner]

i reckon a new classic doom wad would be cool

then again, Romero already made Sigil 5 years ago so idk how likely that would be

[solar crown]

But vegafather didn't betray him

[feral plover]

The Slayer actually betrayed the Father, not the other way around.

[jolly viper]

The game needs marketing such as trailers to take suit

Marketing is extremely important for videogames and just not doing a trailer would hinder it greatly

[solar crown]

i'm not talking about not doing trailers at all

but the game won't be hugely effected if it didn't have a short 20 second teaser 3 years before launch

[jolly viper]

It wouldnt but its also nice to have something to look forward to

[solar crown]

aren't you already looking forward to the next id game?

[jolly viper]

Its pretty much a confirmation from the devs that "yes we are actually working on this and heres a bit of new stuff you can look forward to"

[jolly viper]

Yes, but i meant about the game itself

Even if short, it can be done well to at least show a part of something new

[solar crown]

unless all of ID is laid off they are working on a new game, teaser or not

[jolly viper]

I mean yes but its not confirmed until properly shown WHAT game

[solar crown]

but does that matter?

[jolly viper]

ID software isnt just doom, wolfenstein, etc

[jolly viper]

It matters if youre looking for a specific ID franchise, yes

[solar crown]

if anything, getting a teaser now and having to wait years for the game to finally come out is more furiating then anything
just look at silksong lmfao

[jolly viper]

Videogames take time and id rather them not go for a deadline and actually get the game done to proper term

[woven siren]

i just want confirmation 🤷

[iron spade]

i just want game

[jolly viper]

If thats infuriating to people they must love half baked games that were rushed

[solar crown]

MTX riddled rushed games make more profit then well crafted SP games sooo

[iron spade]

cyberpunk is a great example

[jolly viper]

ID software is working on a game yes, but a teaser is just small confirmation on WHAT game theyre working on

[jolly viper]

Sonic 06

I would also mention pokemon but gamefreak genuinely doesnt care anymore since its all about the brand recognition and shitting out the same game for decades

[solar crown]

TPC also gives them insane deadlines

[jolly viper]

Yes, theyre made in like a year

Which is insane to me that they just do that

Pokemon Legends Arceus gave me hope for the franchise and the games that came after absolutely destroyed that hope

[feral plover]

Pokemon's always been lame IMO.

[jolly viper]

I dunno, i liked it mostly until Sun and Moon

[feral plover]

I also want to mention that while Eternal is my favorite game and I'd not call it "half-baked" at all, it does have some contrivances and weird shit in it that points to the conclusion that the deadline probably should've been a few months later than it was.

[jolly viper]

Then after gamefreak showed they didnt actually care

[jolly viper]

I wasnt talking about Doom Eternal?

[feral plover]

I know you aren't. I just wanted to bring it up.

[jolly viper]

Luci brought up Silksong

[feral plover]

My point is sometimes this kind of shit is inevitable in games, it's the natural byproduct of how the gaming industry currently is.

[woven siren]

silksong's been 4 years and a half

[solar crown]

noone called eternal half baked?

[feral plover]

I know you didn't, I'm not saying anyone did.

I'm bringing it up as an example of how development naturally will just make a lot of games come out with certain fucked up shit in them as a result of slightly rushed deadlines. Even games like Eternal

And part of that comes as a natural symptom of how they make games nowadays. Eternal was announced pretty early ahead of release but they still had to rush some shit together by the end.

[solar crown]

i love shareholders

[jolly viper]

What would be the contrivances and weird shit in it?

[solar crown]

capitalism and artistry mix so well <3

[jolly viper]

There should be a union for game developers

[feral plover]

With Eternal there's evidence to show us that late in development they switched a lot of the levels around and swapped out significant characters. An example of this is Kalibas - for a lot of the game's development, we were supposed to approach and kill the Archdemon Erebus in Nekravol, which also was going to be the Tower of Babel from Doom 1993.

This was significant enough that Erebus had concept art in the art book, and the change was late enough that id didn't have enough time to scrounge up a Codex entry for Kalibas, as a pop-up for it shows up in-game but the Codex entry itself is absent.

[jolly viper]

Are you talking about DLC stuff or am i forgetting something? Is Kalibas the Urdak judge?

[solar crown]

nekroval

[feral plover]

Nah, Kalibas is that giant brain we destroy in Nekravol.

[jolly viper]

Oh that guy

[feral plover]

On top of this we also have the trailer showing the Crucible and an Archvile present in the Mars Core level, suggesting it was going to be a late game level... yet we also have the Slayer retrieving a Plasma Rifle from a soldier in the trailer and in the final game (despite us already having one) which indicates it was actually going to be an early level at some point in development.

[solar crown]

the PR stuff i could see them keeping it in cause it is kinda cool

[feral plover]

Other Codex entries also were scrapped, like the entry explaining the Deagic Talismans, which have confused people since the game released. Or the Cultist Zombies

[jolly viper]

You can even see Slayer doing the animation for when you first get the weapon

[feral plover]

In TAG2 we also see evidence of some mismanagement, albeit attributed to COVID, with Hugo Martin's explanation of why Valen's hologram ghost shows up.

[jolly viper]

Which is kinda weird

[feral plover]

Plus, you know, the Mysterious Voice shit.

And Invasion Mode getting scrapped.

[jolly viper]

Havent gotten on roll with DLC stuff so i cant say much

Also wasnt invasion mode replaced by horde mode?

[feral plover]

Yeah

Horde Mode was, uh, eh. Not a fan.

[jolly viper]

Havent played it since i want to finish the DLC first

[solar crown]

horde was okay but kinda.... badly designed

[jolly viper]

Why was Erebus replaced anyways?

[feral plover]

Man it's just, when I think Horde Mode I think me in a huge arena with a fuckton of demons to kill endlessly until I die. But Eternal's Horde Mode is more like a bite-sized Eternal roguelite of its own, and it's always the same.

[feral plover]

Unclear. Nekravol was originally going to be the Tower of Babel itself, where we fought the Cyberdemon in Doom 1993.
I suspect the change was because it would've contradicted the Doom lore the writers had set up. The Tower of Babel would natually exist around the Great Steppe, which Nekravol ain't in, and Doom 2016 implies UAC shitheads found the Tower of Babel's ruins years ago.

[solar crown]

not like the lore "writers" have any problems retconning stuff

[feral plover]

Well, they do retcon their intentions, but Eternal generally doesn't explicitly contradict written shit from 2016 without an explanation.

[solar crown]

"the ruins the UACA found weren't the remnants of the tower of babel, they where remnants of it's mining site where the huge blocks of stone where mined from"

[feral plover]

Given the artbook lore, the Archdemons are basically Hell's governers - an order of six powerful demons that rule in the Dark Lord's stead, and govern specific "circles" of Hell. Erebus would've been introduced as the Archdemon of Babel, which would've made him the ruler of the region of Hell we fight through in Doom 1993. I think Hugo wanted us to go full circle there, but changed his mind.

[jolly viper]

So we ended up with a rando new guy almost nobody remembers

[feral plover]

Well the codex entry that describes these ruins is specifically denoted "E2M8" as a callback to the Tower of Babel.
They could've retconned this, but it would've hugely gotten in the way of Hugo's story treatement regarding the Argenta. In Eternal's lore, Argenta slaves built the Nekravol Citadel during the Unholy Wars.

This can't happen if the Citadel were the Tower of Babel, since the Tower is seen being slowly built throughout Doom 1993.

[solar crown]

oh no! the reference was mislead too! the horror!

[jolly viper]

Okay luci..go back to twitch.com..

[feral plover]

And a lot of the stuff with Hayden's dialogue insisting upon the innate horror of the Argenta themselves having built the Citadel.

[solar crown]

they could have built literally anything else

like the thing that converts the power with the makyrs

[feral plover]

Yeah

I can see why they scrapped this lore, and in some ways perhaps I prefer this.
But personally, if I were them, I would've just said "Doomguy demolished the Tower when he killed that Cyberdemon, and Hell had Argenta slaves rebuild it."

[solar crown]

or that yeah
enough ways to go around it

[feral plover]

I also suspect it was a creative decision to not explicitly bring back any elements from the OG games or their locations. I think Hugo may have still wanted the two games to feel like their own story accessible to newcomers, and so decided not to have any too-explicit references to the past games beyond Doomguy himself.

[jolly viper]

A bit off topic, but isnt it weird how Slayer has a prison full of demon beings yet shows no mercy against ANY demon whatsoever

[feral plover]

I don't know if I agree with that decision, but I can 100% see him feeling that way.

[jolly viper]

This isnt a random thing thats just there for training purposes either, Khan Maykr frees the demons inside the prison

When she takes over his ship

At what point does he just imprison random demons?

[feral plover]

I wouldn't think too hard about it. I imagine they ended up in there when he retrived the Fortress from Hell before Eternal.

[jolly viper]

Also was it retconned that The Icon Of Sin was laid "dormant" after its original encounter with Doom Guy? Saying this because the Khan Maykr talks about reviving it, which implies it was already dead

[feral plover]

Eternal never makes reference to the original Icon of Sin in Doom II. As far as the player would know, it was simply kept locked-up by the Khan after it helped to ransack Argent D'Nur.
The general explanation is that Doomguy killed it in Doom II, and then the demons revived it using the soul of Valen's son.

This is a pattern we see with Hell - merging human souls with demon lords to give them physical form. We see it in Doom 3 and Doom 2016 as well.

[jolly viper]

I could have swore there was something that said that BEFORE eternal

I might just be imagining things

[feral plover]

2016 was the first to mention Valen's son "becoming" the Icon, yeah.

[jolly viper]

Meant the whole "dormant" thing

[feral plover]

Hmm, not sure. I'd have to check.

[jolly viper]

We get to see the icon of sin in doom 2016 though

Although not like in eternal, more like its doom II design

[feral plover]

Well, kinda. It was probably intended to be in 2016, but now that Eternal has it I imagine 2016's appearance is just meant to be a callback.

[jolly viper]

2016 Icon was just for a toy so yeah probably

Still, i wish they explained why his head was randomly there, and even so close to the crucible too

Its not a thing like randomly in the background for a reference, its a giant head on your path

New players probably wouldnt take much note of it

[elder viper]

I’m pretty sure that’s straight up supposed to be the Icons corpse

I’m really unsure about that though

[solar crown]

could have just grown a new skull

[mint plinth]

not a replacement for Invasions that is for sure

Horde mode missed the mark. It should of been fully random and used the Battlemode Maps. Missed opportunity.

everytime i see a old interview were they talk about invasions i cry

maybe the next game will have some form of it

[pliant flame]

When next doom game

[elder viper]

Not for another few years probably

[pliant flame]

Fuck

[elder viper]

I could be wrong though. id Softwares working on a new game that could be a new Doom we don’t know yet

[pliant flame]

[elder viper]

Though don’t get your hopes up. Most signs are pointing to it being Quake related

[pliant flame]

Yeah

[mint plinth]

quake or quake-doom hybrid game

We should see what they are making June 2024

[fallen grotto]

Wasn't Eternal meant to be the last main Doom game?

[jolly viper]

No?

I doubt ID is dropping Doom specially only two games in after the reboot

[fallen grotto]

Yea I heard someone say that Eternal was going to be the last main Doom game, and it has a heavy amount of references to the past games

[feral plover]

theres no proof of Doom ending from anyone at Id

[feral plover]

2029

[feral plover]

That's what I'm thinking. A quake-doom hybrid cus bethesda knows doom fans will buy anything with the name on it.

They see the insane success with doom. They ain't letting ID stop with the doom brand anytime soon

Bethesda: "hey ID! We see you guys have found yourself some new success with this doom eternal game."

ID: "yes?"

Bethesda: "to put it bluntly...we need you to make another doom game.."

ID: "b-but we just got work started on our Quake Reboot no?-"

Bethesda: "MAKE IT A DOOM GAME!"

ID: "wut..."

Bethesda: "and we want you guys to finish it in time for the holiday season of 2024"

ID: "B-but"

Bethesda: "WE NEED A DOOM GAME NOW!!"

ID:

[feral plover]

the issue with Quake has always been its Identity crisis

Quake is a lovecraftian monster slaying game.
Quake is a Human revolution against an Alien of machinery
Quake is a competitive Arena shooter.

[kindred loom]

if they make a quake reboot i hope it's a mix between quake 1 and 2

quake champions is the quake 3 reboot

[feral plover]

I dont have an issue with whatever Id wants to go through with but they really shouldnt go into the same mistake of making Quake all these things

Doom is definitely striving for new and different world building but still maintains as a game about killing Demons in the end of the day

[elder viper]

Considering Call of the Machines ending it seems kinda likely unless it was just one huge elaborate Easter egg

[mint plinth]

i dont know why everyone keeps saying that

[fallen grotto]

Huh

With that people also had me convinced that Odyssey was the last 3D Mario game bc it has a lot of references to the past games too

[kindred loom]

i haven't played quake 2 remastered yet what happens

[ivory trout]

Fighting lovecraft beasties and the Strogg at the same time would be wild. I just hope id won't fuck it up.

[kindred loom]

watching a gameplay, there are quake 1 shamblers at the end of the game, pretty cool

[elder viper]

Ok I’m gonna spoiler this cause why not ||towards the end of the campaign there are A TON of small Easter eggs to Quake 1. Eventually you end up IN some of Quakes levels and the final boss of the episode are 2 giant Shamblers||

[elder viper]

I kinda hope it’s beyond just a cool reference. Seeing them in Quake 2 is just straight up cool

[kindred loom]

jeez, i regret not buying quake 2 at the summer sale

[true crag]

The ending of TAG 2 makes it pretty clear that Doom Slayer is in Half-Life's stasis-like situation where his story may be over or he may come back later whenever Id wants to make a new Doom game. But I think it's pretty obvious they will make another one, likely much later though.

[fallen grotto]

Oh ok

[solar crown]

they would have made a new one without doomguy if they must, microsfot isn't gonna let that title just lay around

[true crag]

Yeah

[mint plinth]

"We havn't made the best doom game yet" -HUGO

besides, with all the story retcons from to a nearly Level-Level basis in the campaign, i woudn't be suprised if he just took a quick power nap

[true crag]

Not sure if they will be able to beat Eternal lol

[mint plinth]

that is what i thought about 2016]

[true crag]

I mean i am all for even better doom game, but in my eyes it's literally perfect

[true crag]

Doom Slayer did tho lol. He isn't dead, they just locked him up while he was unconscious from Dark Lord's powers leaving his body

[mint plinth]

well 2016 = Skater in a skate park, Eternal = Ferrari, and the next game is suppose to be a Monster Truck. Take that as you will

[true crag]

Sure hope so

[mint plinth]

my guess is destructilbe enviroments on the level not seen since Red Faction

[true crag]

Oh boy, do i wonder who will stand on Slayer's way next

He literally killed the devil and god cannot return back to his physical form

and in base campaign you kill a huge titan and the queen of angels

[solar crown]

honestly i'd prefer it if it was more restricted then "you can destroy near everything"
having the destructable demons be more interactive would be extremely great. imagine shooting a demon's legs off or it's cannons

[woven siren]

doesn't matter

they can just cheese their way back lorewise

[true crag]

Yeah true

that would be lame though

[solar crown]

i've already accepted they will just retcon something, like brining in megagod or just "nahhh 1 semi strong demon can just break the seal"

at best all demons are made in UACA labs

[woven siren]

im thinkin they have this eternal (GET IT?) cycle of stronger and older beings n shit

[solar crown]

eternal already jumped the gun with "davoth is literally god"

[woven siren]

like how oohh davoth was actually behind this, not the maykrs and whatnot and then after that it's oohh bavoth was actually behind this, not davoth and then after that it's oohh vadoth was actually...

[woven siren]

yeah exactly

[feral plover]

Same person who said that the Dark Lord fight is their best boss fight ever created or something

[woven siren]

we went from a giant brain on a spider mech to the malevolent demiurge

[woven siren]

LMAO

[feral plover]

I'm sure Hugo is a nice guy and all but that sounds like a whole Lotta bs

[solar crown]

cool guy but he's still the corperate's toy

[feral plover]

You just don't lol.

[true crag]

Will there be the best doom game outside eternal without mick as composer

[solar crown]

easily
you don't need to get eternal to listen to the music

and other people can definitely still make great music

[true crag]

Yeah, that was pretty stupid of me. Sorry lol

[woven siren]

andrew fuckin hulshult

[feral plover]

A mistake I see a lot of you making is that the stakes have to ramp up even further. I don't think so.

[solar crown]

unless it's a story containted in hell/eldritch urdak, i think they are pretty much a given

[feral plover]

Doom 64 didn't ramp up the stakes from Doom II - the stakes are actually lower. We aren't saving the world or on a race against time to stop humanity from going extinct or anything - we just know the demons are back and we gotta go to Hell and kick their asses again. Shit happens.

The same can happen with whatever Doom game happens next. Doomguy's in Hell. Maybe he wakes up in Hell to find demons are trying to break the seal, and we get a game set solely in Hell, like what Doom 64 mostly was.

Or maybe we get something totally different, another soft reboot that takes place somewhere way different in a time way different.

Hell, maybe we won't play as the Slayer in the next game. Wouldn't be the first time we've switched protags - Doom 3 did it.

[solar crown]

i't would still need to be just entirely in hell/eldritch urdak

[feral plover]

Sure, what's wrong with that?

There are so, so, so many different directions the story could go in right now.

[solar crown]

still feel like "demons in X" where X is not hell is still mega interesting

[feral plover]

Well, I agree, yeah. I don't think having a game solely in Hell is for the best.

I'm just saying it may happen.

We could get a sequel where the Slayer comes back and has to fight the Mysterious Voice. We could get a soft reboot following another character entirely. We could get a hard reboot following another entirely new character. We could get a Quake game that reveals itself to tie into Doom. We could get a spiritual successor to Doom 3. We could get a remake of a past Doom game. Who knows?

There are a lot of directions to go in, I think.

[feral plover]

There's no way that dude can end up missing. There's just no way

Just like Mick he's passionate in his craft

[feral plover]

Im fine that the lore itself ramps up to fighting a person that looks exactly like u and gets people all hyped up like “Ooooh the only person that can kill the slayer is himself” (ik dark lord isnt the slayer ye ye)

I do notice people wont feel satisfied the game didnt “live up” to the hype ofc because the presentation for the dark lord made it seem like it was the real bad guy of the game

[solar crown]

Still find it dumb as fuck that davoth looks like doomguy for literally no reason

[iron spade]

they reused the damn model and was like, ** l o r e **

[solar crown]

i am sure they at first wanted there to be a connection

[mint plinth]

covid crunch happened

[solar crown]

they could literally write in a filler arc for tag2

[mint plinth]

and for reasons, zenimax didn't apply for force majeure

I still think the older dark lords exists and should be the current leaders.

[elder viper]

I mean demons can sorta reincarnate and stuff (As seen with the Aranea Imperatrix at the end of 2016)

Would be cool if the Maledict somehow came back

Betruger felt like a proper villain more so the Olivia imo

[thick coral]

<_<

[feral plover]

cant if it was already in development anyway.

[solar crown]

Except you can

"Well uhhh davoth is actually guarded and you need to kill his duke before attacking him!!!"

[feral plover]

deadlines, higher-ups, etc.

yk actual company decisions.

[solar crown]

If it is "corperate stuckup didn't want to" then you still can loterally just write a filler arc still

[feral plover]

theres obv a million ideas when they storyboarded shit. Just happens this is what the creative team agreed upon in addition to being green lit by higher-ups and deadlines to cover.

Especially when Eternal's lifecycle was coming to close

[solar crown]

Thar only further reinforces that they really just fucking could, but choose not to

[feral plover]

i mean ye they wrote the game

And like TAG2 isnt rlly some victim of Modern Gaming being broken and messy. Just happens to be the less liked Content of the main campaign or part 1

[solar crown]

"It isn't as bad as even worse pieces of shit therefore it isn't bad"

[feral plover]

I mean yea

Doesnt mean my standards are low for Eternal. But Part 2 didnt just destroy the game’s reputation or something. Its a decent experience

[next oxide]

Now that we have DOOM 64, Quake 64 and Quake II 64, they should also port the PlayStation version of DOOM.

Like Quake 64, the PSX version seems like the same thing but is actually different.

[feral plover]

theres not rlly much difference with the Doom PS port besides enemy appearance (as in where they appear on levels) changes and music

The PS Quake 2 port is much more likely

[next oxide]

So does Quake 64.

[feral plover]

arnt some of quake 64’s level layouts, textures, etc all downgraded or changed to match that 64 experience

And even enemies like the Archville just dont exist for hardware limits

[next oxide]

And Wolfenstein SS and the hanging Commander Keen don't exist as there's no secret Wolfenstein levels in the port.

[feral plover]

the ps port of doom is the best port out of the misfit bunch but id say its more just the same game with some stuff not there where as Quake 64 visually theres a load of difference

and then Doom 64 is just a whole different game entirely

plus theres prob mods u could find to bring back the psx layout, music, etc for the doom port

[next oxide]

It combined DOOM and DOOM II into one game.

With some new and removed maps.

[woven siren]

^

[feral plover]

then ye i can agree with that mb

[jolly viper]

dark lord and doom slayer might not be the same but they're still very close to the trope

Davoth LITERALLY looks like doom guy

They both sport armor, one looks more demonic and the other is like man

You could essentially call Davoth something like Dark Doom Slayer or something and itd still fit

[elder viper]

I mean VEGA does say at the end of TAG1 “He is you in there world”

[low forge]

think what is the point of waiting a few weeks just to show a teaser that could be shown at qc2023

[low forge]

you have mighty doom

[low forge]

I think this situation happened during the development of doom eternal. there are a lot of hints in doom eternal that it was originally a quake

[floral minnow]

wait what?! how?

[woven siren]

verticality and more movement-y

[floral minnow]

oh

[woven siren]

also the architecture to some extent

[floral minnow]

if they both had the same weapons, enemy types and movement, i wouldnt really care if it was quake or doom bcause its so much fun

[solar crown]

not that doom, banger gameplay though, and still FPS enough

[woven siren]

yup

[low forge]

1. the beginning of the first level is very similar to quake 1.
2. the dynamics of the game as in quake.
3. the marauder is very similar to the knights from quake 1.
4. the zombies are very similar to the zombies from quake 1

[elder viper]

I know 2016 was always intended to use the Doom name but DOOM 2016 has a super Quake esc feel to it

Mostly in its level design and that’s it though

[wheat agate]

the future

[winged raven]

the past

[feral plover]

the present

[novel oasis]

Fancy nice Pfp

[next oxide]

An ODST/Reach-like DOOM game where you take control as an ARC soldier right before the events of Eternal.

It would have a medium/slow paced gameplay, similar to Doom 3.

[feral plover]

tbh id rather just stick with an actual military shooter

FPS games that lean heavily towards the slow paced gameplay either become a Call of Duty-like game or a full milsim/extraction game

[woven siren]

lololol hideous destructor

milsim doom

[mortal stone]

Just copy pasting from #doom-eternal: if there was a DE 2 where the slayer traveled through the universe killing demons cuz they colonized it

Plot: Deag ranak tells the slayer "it's truly been your doom eternal... but I am afraid I have colonized hells armies throughout space... it's time for your doom eternal 2"

Just in case anyone from id software wants to hire me

[opaque matrix]

Another doom movie (but good)

[mortal stone]

I would like to be casted as the doom slayer 🙋‍♂️

[solar forge]

ur not the guy. you will never be the guy. i had a guy but now i dont. you. are not. the guy.

[woven siren]

if u want to be the guy u gotta dodge a shit ton of spikes and apples

[solar forge]

better plot than eternal

[mortal stone]

Thank you

[elder viper]

Hugo wishes the lore was this good

[feral plover]

ignore lore, kill demon

[woven siren]

*ignore demon, kill lore

[atomic compass]

Adrian Carmack be like

[feral plover]

ignore kill, demon lore

[atomic compass]

Now that is just pure confusion

[tepid swift]

More demon lore would actually go pretty hard

[feral plover]

This is stupid. ID would not create such nonsense

No offense tho

[crisp aurora]

Doom slayer v iron man

[unborn zenith]

Doomguy wins hands down

He took down a fucking titan 5 times

He has ventured into hell Abt 6 times

Kill trillions upon trillions of demons

And even killed the creator of all things

[unborn zenith]

Correction: Bethesda

If you didn't know, Bethesda has owned id since Wolfenstein 2009

Which is one of the reasons why I don't like Bethesda as a company

[feral plover]

if there's ever another doom movie
have it be made by sam raimi or guillermo del toro and with henry cavill or alan ritchson as the man himself

also just be good please

[elder viper]

Saying this doesn't mean much considering Davoth was heavily and I mean HEAVILY weakened during his fight against Doomguy

[low forge]

Correction: ID software
If you didn't know, id still makes games

[mortal stone]

No bro I think it's a super good idea

[crisp aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-gif-18849214

That's all it takes

[feral plover]

I mean are we gonna forget hes been shot at by demons with plasma weapons

[crisp aurora]

Yep, and they did damage

Sadly, those demons couldnt fly, or had a suit of armor

[crisp aurora]

*Mortally challenged

[feral plover]

Then earth would have never fallen if it was that easy

[feral plover]

• Cyber mancubus
• Marauders
• Gargoyles
• Pain elementals
• Lost souls
• Cacodemons

• Soldiers

[crisp aurora]

Iron man can survive shotgun blasts

[iron spade]

chaingun shield

[feral plover]

Not saying Doom guy is invincible. But tanking Plasma bolts with your biceps basically covered seems pretty reckless

[iron spade]

man tanking a BFG is insane

[feral plover]

not to mention before he had the preator suit which at this point if its canon Doom guy never gets hit once then dude will dodge anything

[crisp aurora]

That's a little different, never considered that one

[iron spade]

considered a crucible?

[crisp aurora]

What that

[iron spade]

red sword in doom eternal

[crisp aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvisban-gif-20347638

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-avengers-infinity-war-iron-man-mark50-iron-man-infinity-war-tony-stark-gif-25060895

[iron spade]

man is just using GIFs

[iron spade]

Chain Gun shield

[crisp aurora]

BFG is the only thing I can't really argue against, anyone with sense knows iron man can't take that

[feral plover]

his nano tech seems kinda weak

[iron spade]

anyone with sense knows that you can tank all damage with the chaingun shield

[crisp aurora]

I'm sure there's a limit, right? It's not just infinite

[iron spade]

nope, its infinite

i mean if you count the void then maybe but its infinite

[iron spade]

close range? crucible

[feral plover]

also Tony’s armor is titanium alloy

A 50 bmg will fire through him

as america intended

[iron spade]

nothing like a chainsaw can just go, BRRRRR

[crisp aurora]

Doom slayer v homelander

[feral plover]

the chainsaw im confuse what its made of

[iron spade]

Lets not forget about the ice bomb

[crisp aurora]

Who wins

[iron spade]

thinking

[feral plover]

its homelander

why is that a question

[elder viper]

Yeah considering 2016’s codex description of the BFG getting hit by the energy ball let alone the tracers would either leave most things a red mist or severely damaged

[crisp aurora]

Now hold on a minute, @iron spade is thinking

[iron spade]

yeah homelander

unless the doomslayer manages to get close, homelander is winning

[crisp aurora]

Only angles I can think of is the crucible, BFG, and maybe give doom guy some of those delicious cheats

[feral plover]

also iron man has over the years trade off being a Tanky armor boi to just ease with nano tech suit up

[crisp aurora]

BFG to the mouth?

[iron spade]

that needs to be close and direct

[feral plover]

Captain America in civil war tears his suit apart and yet the first film his suit tanks a Tank Shell

[crisp aurora]

Could totally see homelander getting up to dooms face for some stupid evil guy speech

[feral plover]

His armor was just easier to be torn apart after every movie

[crisp aurora]

Writers aren't here for consistency, they're here for cash

[elder viper]

What about the BFG Tracers? Those things like lock on to targets

[crisp aurora]

Oooooh

[iron spade]

yes but its limited to 6 shots and homeland can just fly out of range

[elder viper]

True

[crisp aurora]

What if doom guy has prep time?

[elder viper]

He ain’t Batman. I don’t think prep time would do much

[crisp aurora]

He could get into the BFG 10k, lock on from marz

[elder viper]

And blow up the Earth? Idk how fast Homelander is but if he can’t get off Earth faster then the BFG 10k beam can fire then I guess he would die

[feral plover]

fire a BFG to superman aint doin shit

[elder viper]

Steve from Minecraft would rock Doomguy’s shit if they just had a fist fight.

[feral plover]

If u wanna know the comics of homelander. He has no initial weaknesses besides anyone of his own strength

which was Black Noir who was an exact clone of him

[elder viper]

So he’s unbeatable unless the attack is above his own strength?

[feral plover]

He is basically superman

The point of the character is a superman parody but his biggest weakness is being a psychopath and egotistic maniac

[elder viper]

I see

[feral plover]

So if u wanna put up the 3 biggest superman like characters

1. Superman
2. Omni-man
3. Homelander

And then u can shove goku in there for the anime lovers but besides that these characters are basically written with 0 weaknesses (except superman over a rock)

[crisp aurora]

Doom guy on compound V would be nasty

Kinda feel like he already is on some

[feral plover]

unlike say Doom. We dont know doom guy’s actual power level but he hasnt done anything Insanely “inhuman” besides being Immortal ig and punching harder than the average person

[elder viper]

He’s not immortal. Also I don’t think power levels or power scaling are accurate or good to use.

[crisp aurora]

Immortality, can see ghosts, eats lasers like nothing, dashes, can't remember the last time I saw him eat food

[feral plover]

I dont rlly do Gameplay =/= Lore accuracy

[elder viper]

Dashes are part of the suit, he’s not immortal. The lasers in places like Doom Hunter Base clearly hurt him. And he has pizza in the Fortress of Doom

[feral plover]

If so then every superman game i die in isnt accurate

And like whatever Id’s goofy world they made theres obv not many consistencies

[woven siren]

bc then tons of video game characters would be time travelers via save files

[feral plover]

so im just gonna say Doom Guy strong cope and seethe

hes not a God but doesnt change the fact he survived a literal Cannon shot into a wall and not turned into paste ig

[feral plover]

cause he obv is strong in the sense of the world written that he cant die to the norms we know in the real world etc.

[woven siren]

could be an armor feat

that's why doomguy is such a b!tch to powerscale, not worth it honestly

[elder viper]

Praetor Suit moment “impact compensation”

[elder viper]

And also power scaling is stupid in general

[unborn zenith]

Id makes games, but Bethesda bought it, so Bethesda tells Id what to work on and what not to work on.

And I'm also mad that Id wasn't apart of the development of the newer Wolfensteins

[elder viper]

They tried to with DOOM 2016’s soundtrack and Mick (and to a lesser extent id) ignored them

[elder viper]

Why? MachineGames is doing a good job. Just cause id Software isn’t heavily involved isn’t a bad thing

[feral plover]

i dont think Bethesda has full creative control over the team.

if anything they just sit and give the Green Light for ok

[elder viper]

That’s really all they do

[feral plover]

as most publishers do

[low forge]

I think id first talks about their idea to bethesda, and Bethesda is already making a decision

[elder viper]

Unless it comes to something like Fallout or Elder Scrolls

[feral plover]

ye thats what a “pitch” is called

[elder viper]

Considering how Bethesda screwed Obsidian over when making New Vegas

[unborn zenith]

I just had an idea

[elder viper]

yeah?

[feral plover]

Id isnt a small company either

they have Teams under their belt for a reason

[low forge]

partially participated

[unborn zenith]

John romero works on development of future doom prodjects

[feral plover]

as does Activision with all 4 under their belt making cod games every year

[crisp aurora]

No way

[unborn zenith]

He does, if I'm correct, it's either on a chair or the PC desk

Either that or I can't remember very well

[crisp aurora]

I expected something more mature, like a steak

[low forge]

he's just collecting money from his past

[unborn zenith]

Nah, pizza is forever, just like how doom is eternal

[crisp aurora]

Har har har, I wonder if doom guy will ever get to just live a normal life

[feral plover]

ask Gordon freeman

[unborn zenith]

Unless there's another universe where demons don't attack

[crisp aurora]

Maybe if he took his meds, the demons around him would go away

[feral plover]

dude was in the fucking void forever

Actually no Shepard was even worse

He hasn’t even got out

[unborn zenith]

Meds? Man, the demons killed his wife and son, not to mention daisy.

He's not skitzo

Also, if you're a true doom fan, what episode and mission did you finish at?

[feral plover]

he could be

i wouldnt blame him if all i saw were thicc demon cheeks

[unborn zenith]

Well, now that I think about it.

There are hallucinations of daisy scattered throughout Doom Eternal

[feral plover]

theres prob a demon out there that gives u every mental disorder known to man

[elder viper]

Ehhhhh. Idk last time John Romero was put in charge of a full game we got Daikatana

The current id Software is just fine

[feral plover]

at least its people that are fans of what they make and do stuff for the fans

[elder viper]

Hugo is a good game director and so far seems to know what the community wants

[feral plover]

no way. i get a free remaster of a game i already bought?? CRAZYYYY

[crisp aurora]

Playing doom as we speak

[feral plover]

and has free expansion with it? crazyyyyyy

[crisp aurora]

Just got shot out of a canon and LANDED ON MY FEET HOLY SHIT

[feral plover]

Yea take notes Sony im not paying for your 3 remasters dipshit

Or Rockstar

[unborn zenith]

I meant of 1993

What episode and mission did you stop at?

[crisp aurora]

Ohhh erm, I stopped around the brain guy, game took too long

[unborn zenith]

I'm happy I killed the cyberdemon

But I haven't gotten past E3M3

And to add insult to injury, I'm playing in not too rough

[feral plover]

classic doom games to me have a pattern routine

[crisp aurora]

I'm gonna be brutally honest with you guys, these doom person is really REALLY violent

[feral plover]

Idk what romero was on making the levels but it makes sense to me in a weird way

[unborn zenith]

He was making a 20th century masterpiece of a game

[feral plover]

It wont make sense when u start playing. But after like 1 episode ik where all the keys are before even playing the level its weird

like u know what key comes first and everything comes natural

[unborn zenith]

Huh, I don't have that problem

Ok, if you're a true doom fan, where are the secrets in E1M1?

[feral plover]

I take back my last statement

[unborn zenith]

Flip switch next to stairs

Go out and grab the mega armor

[feral plover]

U can remember all these secrets but can u write down all 50 states of the US on a map

[unborn zenith]

Go into the end area, go back to the acid lake

Go into the area that opened

Go all the way back so you're in the hallway to the acid lakes

Run to the area you opened up and catch the lift

Grab all the armor bonuses and head to the exit

That's all three

[crisp aurora]

I bet you can't even tell me your own address

[unborn zenith]

108 4th Street Avoca, Wisconsin

[crisp aurora]

Fake

[unborn zenith]

Really?

The house is a purple ish tone with some magenta and green

Look on Google maps and tell me what it looks like

[crisp aurora]

Is Romeo in the server with us now?

[unborn zenith]

No dumbass

[crisp aurora]

😦

Is he alive?

[unborn zenith]

Yes

Alive and well

[crisp aurora]

I wanna shake this man's hand, his games entertained me

@bronze ermine 😲

[unborn zenith]

Entertain? They empower me with the feeling of pure masculinity

Going through decimated cities with nothing but guns, guts, and ammo

And still beating everything despite the odds

[crisp aurora]

Like from duke nukem?

[unborn zenith]

Yes, like duke nukem

NO YOU DUMBASS, IM TALKING ABOUT DOOM

[crisp aurora]

*Duke clone 🥱

[unborn zenith]

You mother fucker

[feral plover]

Yes duke clone 🥱

[unborn zenith]

Fuck you too, fancy

[feral plover]

dw she does me every night

[unborn zenith]

Anyways, it's 1:04, I need sleep. Gn yall

[crisp aurora]

Gn

[feral plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/930146039745376259/1118569278644424764/caption.gif

[unborn zenith]

Tf do you mean a child has entered the chat?

[elder viper]

Bro what

[short mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/hadeel928-يوسف-العماري-موسى-الخنيزي-gif-26535277

its okay buddy

[crisp aurora]

Why are you guys bullying my man @unborn zenith

Isn't blood, gore, and shooting the primary subject of this game?

[woven siren]

cuz he's being corny

rahhhh blood and gore fuels my masculinity

there should be no "she" here 😎

[solar crown]

Sexism isn't

[unborn zenith]

Unless she likes masculine stuff like guns, guts, and gore

I don't mind women, but I respect those who like games marketed to men, despite their being women

And I can get along with a woman like that alot easier

[solar crown]

Idk how just.... having gore means it is "marketed to men"

The things are more "man-alligned" but they for sure aren't "marketed to men"

[unborn zenith]

I can agree with that

[crisp aurora]

Can't really defend that part

[feral plover]

Whay

[crisp aurora]

What games are marketed towards women

[feral plover]

Doom isn't really "marketed to men."

[solar crown]

What games in 2020+ are marketed to men

[feral plover]

It's just marketed to people who like killing demons in videogames.

[woven siren]

not much past games for little girls honestly

[crisp aurora]

Erm, it doesn't have to be 2020+

[unborn zenith]

Ok, fair point but

[crisp aurora]

Just a genuine question

[solar crown]

games for little girls have the same number as games for little guys

[woven siren]

i find it so funny how people think doom gives you masculinity

like, go play in the woods

[solar crown]

🤓 well you see that is because doomguy is the hyper masculine personification of manhood

[woven siren]

i was thinking mobile and browser games

[crisp aurora]

They relate with his quiet kid vibes

[solar crown]

that's why he is a transman, cause that's just how masculine he is

[crisp aurora]

WHAT

Doomguy trans?

[unborn zenith]

Huh?

[woven siren]

because animal crossing, kirby, etc. is moreso just casual gamer/kids stuff than female

[solar crown]

what's more manly then someone who had to go through the hurdles of becoming a man instead of just being born a man and thinking not much more of it

[feral plover]

As long as there a thing with a BFG I don’t really care what exactly doom slayer is

[unborn zenith]

Ok man, whatever you say

[solar crown]

that's why all those cringe people say that playing doom gives you testosterone, doomguy is activally sharing with you

[unborn zenith]

Hmm

Ok ok, I see where your coming from

[unborn zenith]

But I don't believe this for a second

[woven siren]

chopping wood gives you testosterone, not an FPS game for nerds

[woven siren]

it's called a headcanon

[solar crown]

that's why i said "cringe people"
it's really funny cause the people that unironically say that usually are also transfobic so it's fun to see them whine cause of a theory that can't be disproven nor proven

[unborn zenith]

Head canon isn't canon

[woven siren]

did they say it was lmao

not worth discussing

[unborn zenith]

Doomguy is a man, and always has been

[solar crown]

unless explicitly stated it's up in the air

[solar crown]

proof?

[unborn zenith]

Ask John romero

[woven siren]

yeah see, zero proof for either side

[solar crown]

exactly

but it does explain all the weird people that say "you get testosteron from playing doom"

[woven siren]

we have literally never seen doomguy nude

[feral plover]

Shit you have a point I mean his name is doom guy so in theory if he was transgender his name would still be doom guy because trans men are real men.