the-future

[feral plover]

Just cause u are in a cramp spot

Re8 isnt at all bad its just idk. Some stuff is off ill say

[elder viper]

Maybe cause the games more open. Less narrow dark hallways. You feel more vulnerable in 7. Not to mention how much Ethan loses a limb and then just glues that shit on as well. I know there's a lore reason behind it but they do it a LOT more in 8 then 7.

[feral plover]

Thats prob why because when i have all these guns but i dont feel overwhelmed.

this game takes literally so many events from RE4’s design

[elder viper]

The remake looks gorgeous. I also wanna get that Resident Evil 4 VR port exclusive to the Quest 2

currently I lack the money to do so

[feral plover]

I watch my main character go through so much pain but im more so Throwing up than actually scarred

Like i may as well remove my hands by this point

[feral plover]

it rlly is amazing

Especially when the game released after the dead space remake

💀im not gonna be able to sleep well all year

[elder viper]

Good to see some old titles get actually good remakes for the modern era

[feral plover]

true

[elder viper]

Still waiting for other series to come back from the dead and release new games though

[feral plover]

Cant wait for the year 2077 when we remake RE8 where Big tall vampire lady is more realistic

[elder viper]

lmao yeah

[feral plover]

a fallout 1 remake would be nice

[elder viper]

a new fallout game would be nice

[feral plover]

i have a full list of what id love remade

[feral plover]

prob like 2040.

or whenever bethesda gets Elder scrolls 6 done

[elder viper]

I really hope we get even a 3 second long trailer on a new BioShock. The fact 2K made a WHOLE STUDIO dedicated to it and there's been zero news has been killing me. Well at least Atomic Heart is slightly quenching my thirst for BioShock stuff. And there's JUDAS and the System Shock remake

[feral plover]

Bioshock def deserves a remake

Rapture is beautiful. But it be amazing on modern graphics

[elder viper]

oh yeah and a new Half-Life which is a higher possibility THEN EVER thanks to HL: Alyx and now that Source 2 is pretty much finished

[feral plover]

💀The magnum Opus of Valve releasing Half life 3

[elder viper]

There's a video showing Rapture in Unreal 5, there where also rumors of Nvidia making a BioShock RTX remaster.

[feral plover]

Half life 3 deathmatch 😂

[elder viper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYRbdiZowsg

[feral plover]

a remaster does sound fitting sense ig remakes are usually changing some stuff in the game.

Except unless its like. The last of us which isnt much different

Or demon souls.

[elder viper]

The Last of Us did not need a remaster in the slightest

[feral plover]

🤓actually its remake so 70 dollars plz

[elder viper]

lol

[feral plover]

Like im def gonna enjoy it on PC but i cant feel a bit scummed that im replaying a game 14 years ago or something paying the price of a Next Gen Triple A of the same game

[elder viper]

can't wait when I'm in my 60's and they remaster Eternal

[feral plover]

lol

me just waiting for Halo combat evolve for a remake…

[elder viper]

Ooooh THATS a good one

[feral plover]

its 40 min of the same forerunner hallway

[elder viper]

Well the Master Chief Collection kind of does it since you can swap between upgraded and original graphics

[feral plover]

Anniversary graphics arnt bad it just doesnt feel faithful to what CE tried to do

Halo 2 is def more faithful (except the Warthog)

[feral plover]

This is a mechanic i do enjoy and wish remasters did that ig

especially Playstation instead of paying extra

[feral plover]

Elder Scrolls IV oblivion is one of them

[real dew]

Yeah

[feral plover]

and both true crime game

[charred lodge]

OK, a little rant for those from before morrowind but whose climax probably came with the open world and creativity offered in moreowind.... I have owned oblivion since 2012.... and have never played for more than an hour at a time and maybe am capped at 20 hours total. Same with games like gta 5 that have an incredible modern modding community behind them. How does an older gamer catch up on the steam "marketplace" promos and game development

I hear gta6 will be huge and I largely am just curious for the franchises sake as there are so many good games they are competing with coming out of Indi devs nows days

[reef bolt]

What's this have to do with the future of doom ?

[raw plover]

Honestly it most likely will probably go back to the past with like before doom 2016 when he gets locked away for the first time or like with his time with the night sentinels

[civic arch]

would doomguy get replaced in the next game

[clever bear]

Almost certainly not. The series has had 6 main series games over 30 years and he’s the player character in all but Doom 3. I could see him getting a break while a new character gets the limelight for one title though

I would love for the Slayer to get a new look. Not because the Praetor suit is bad, but the next game is apparently going to be less racecar, more monster truck and the Eternal and 2016 designs look too sleek and compact to fit a more blunt force game style. It could be cool if he looked more tanky in the next game

[elder viper]

Dedicating an entire game to past events (most of which we already know about) is pointless.

[elder viper]

And even Doom Marine isn’t that different from Doomguy.

[main grotto]

The irony is that pp put Doom 1 and 2 in the same so-called fast paced action pack of later games. Still, let's recall so many maps where you had to cover a door and not let hordes of monsters to enter the room, bc if you did you would be toasted. The gameplay in Doom varied, sometimes fast paced but other times you was forced to use the architecture of the map to survive. Unlike these uninspired jerk I mean circling around maps where all you do is circle around monsters and shoot. Even Doom music varied from alert style to kind of horror style, to build the tension.

Let's not forget that most played at that time using only keyboard, which would drastically limit player's capacity to jerk around monsters. Some enemies were designed in such way that you could not run between them without getting mauled down with hitscan hits -like the machinegunners on UV were just horrific if they catch you in plain sight.

and although I know that this was 30 years ago from a purist point of view playing Doom w/o only keyboard would be sacrilege -I see guys these days trying the game for 1st time and they are all banging the mouse till he will have kids

[clever bear]

I can’t imagine playing keyboard only. Not for purism reasons; that just sounds frustrating to me. I’ve been playing Doom 1 on PS4 and that’s hard enough despite having more nuanced control than keyboard only

[reef bolt]

It's a common misconception that most people played orginal doom keyboard only

Mouse support was available very early on in its conception

[elder viper]

Moving with the mouse at the same time as turning is abysmal. Old FPS DOS controls feel so unnatural to me

[clever bear]

I know the mouse wasn’t as universal part of PC gaming as it is now, so I get why keyboard only was supported. But still I can’t imagine voluntarily playing that way

[elder viper]

As Gougaru said. Mouse controls existed. They just weren't the same as what we have today.

[elder viper]

There are a few levels where only certain sections (not the entire map) required door fighting. The game was still plenty fast paced.

[clever bear]

Circle strafeing isn’t very abusable as long as the mapper accounts for it

[reef bolt]

Revs are a good way to deal with a arena like that

[clever bear]

Yup. As well as denying the player 360 degree access to enemies

Or hitscanners in the mix if you’re careful to not include too many

[reef bolt]

Hitscanners just end up as helpers in a circle arena fight like that. Probably the only time I feel happy seeing them

[inner isle]

The manual even recommends combining the mouse and keyboard

[main grotto]

they might recommend but they still knew that most ppl would use only mouse. keyboard back in 1994 when I seen first the game at the university no one would use a mouse to play the game. not single one of the students -as for regular joes who form these days the overwhelming group of games consumers they did not even have access to a pc, most that I knew were then still on z80

[main grotto]

gameplay was more diverse, fast movement does not equal always fast paced. the beauty of it was that you could play either way, sometimes running fast other times using corners and waiting for enemies to approach, most ppl used a combination of them. and this was the beauty of it. if you try watching a Doom2 walkthrough you might find it more enjoyable than d16 walkthrough because different approaches and almost no replay look the same

[feral plover]

i mean you are taking about a game where some levels had a LOT of open space, actually most levels were. U could approach the enemies differently but the way enemies reacted to u was still the same, the AI in classic Doom isnt much different with some demons moving faster than others and some moving in patterns and some reacting differently.

But because u were so fast and projectiles can be visually easy to react to the game isnt necessarily hard.

theres no "which is more enjoyable" or "diverse" Doom 2016 offers a sandbox objectively doubles what Doom 2 offers. Meaning your approaches to combat can differ because u have the right to use any weapon. Especially the use of RPG mechanics and Runes. The enemies may not have different hitboxes like Eternal. But they were target practice and u owned an arsenal to pick your poison.

[clever bear]

Doom 2016 effectively punishes stuff like doorfighting and other rather defensive tactics in ways old Doom just doesn’t. Also, while the old games didn’t have mods and runes and RPG mechanics, those things often kinda break the modern games so I’d say old Doom was better off without those things.

As for old Doom being easy, if you play the base games on not-Nightmare, then yeah. Nightmare (and/or playing custom campaigns) changes that in a hurry

[reef bolt]

Absolutely it does and was tested and intended. Any other belief is just delusional.

Look at that I made my point in 2 sentences.. what a world

[feral plover]

absolutely and im not denying the Difficulty increases the difficulty However i believe even tho stuff like Door fighting and other defensive tactics does not exist in newer doom. Does modern doom actually need them

Those Runs and RPG mechanics don't just "break" the game, they more so add a passive progression in modern doom that many people especially this day of age where people want to feel like they are progressing than just skill.

Physically you are getting better in doom eternal and 2016. Your health is increasing, your weapons are improving, etc. while also understanding the game's mechanics.

Can they be balanced? yes. But that doesnt mean a "balanced" game is a priority for a game's sustainability to maintain quality. Sometimes things that arnt intentional are fun.

[clever bear]

I guess, but I basically only was able to have fun with Doom 2016 after self imposing a ban on all mod upgrades, Seige Mode, and all optional Argent upgrades

I like modern Doom, but I also have a lot of issues with it, and the RPG mechanics and arenas kind of blurring together are chief among them

Hitscanners forcing you to think about sightlines more and play a bit slow is one of a few things that help different encounters feel distinct from each other in early Doom

[main grotto]

No you didn't. It would have been those days like saying these days that D16 was made for ppl owning RTX4xxx. In the sense that the commercial goal was to have as much as possible ppl buying the game. This game explains quite good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vz0iRYFzlk

If you would just stop acting so arrogant and try to think more instead probably it would make you feel better.

[woven siren]

they used a mouse in the demos for the original doom

and it was recommended

even if the average player didn't use a mouse

the thing is that they made the game to be beatable on just keyboard

[main grotto]

They advertised mouse + kbWhat was recommended does not speak about the gameplay which was designed -by will or by coincidence -to support keyboard only. Which was all about the gameplay capability. About which I was talking about. On top of that the mouse at the time were nowhere to gaming mouses of today aiming wise so it would not make a huge difference. Even quake1 used huge dmg splash bc aiming was not the basic focus back then.

[woven siren]

yeah

they designed it to be playable with keyboard only

what's the point of this argument

besides, newer mapsets that outclass the originals in quality probably aren't designed with the keyboard in mind

[main grotto]

the point is which I explained that gameplay of D1/2 was build different that the gameplay of newer Doom games being more diverse by giving players the possibility to use different approaches. in newer Doom games so-called different approach is limited to what weapon would you use in combination with what. while you would just circle around shooting and aiming and occasionally attacking monsters with chainsaw or do glory kill when you need either ammo or health. to the point that many nightmare games are just random picks for the monsters depending on what the player needs hp or ammo.

and the idea was that EVEN if id Software guys like to play with kb+mouse and encouraged ppl to do so they had to make gameplay accessible to kb only ppl. as a result, the gameplay of D1/2 is more diverse

to me it seems that the devs tried to hide the simplistic gameplay by adding secondary fire for players and monsters as well, and movement additions and upgrades -although not every addition is bad I guess

[woven siren]

yes, doom is very flexible as a game and i love it for that

by simply changing the level layout you can turn it from a run and gun into a much more tactical game

you can even make it a puzzle game

[feral plover]

that doesnt rlly mean the game is diverse. It was compensating for a majority that catered to an audience that didnt use the mouse that no longer exists today as a concern.

[woven siren]

doom is still diverse as fuck, but allowing for certain input methods doesn't really make it more diverse per se

like, let's say i added a weapon wheel to a PC game to make it accessible to console users, that doesn't change the gameplay's diversity

[feral plover]

Im not saying doom as a whole isnt diverse. Im stating i dont understand how doom 1 and 2 is more diverse because it had different controls* and im not talking abt things like colorblind or something to those that need for accessibility

[woven siren]

or if i changed the levels to be beatable with a more restricted input method

[feral plover]

thats what i mean

When i think of “Diversity” in a game i think abt sandbox, enemy veriety, etc.

If you are talking about Diversity in terms of “controls” thats called accessibility

And what i consider? more important especially the norm today are obv things like Double key binds, Color blind modes, etc. Mouse sensitivity

I dont think allowing people to play Eternal with the keyboard only is considered Diversity, just unnecessary homage but im sure someone here would beat the game on UN with it anyway

[feral plover]

Also comparing this to most games

u clearly havent seen the worse. The fact d16 even maintains such simplistic movement is more refreshing

Fps games have adopted many things like Movement mechanics which arnt bad but have created mechanical skill in games Original fans just can’t keep up or enjoy. Its not a very casual experience.

Hell im surprised Eternal even removed Crouch because thats just how bold Eternal cares more abt the Shooting than the Movement while u can still be fast just need the extension of weapons to do so, not Advanced abilities

[static thistle]

why is it that everytime i see this baron railgun guy it always seems like he just posted a shit take💀

[feral plover]

i wouldnt say they have shit takes just Aggressive ones

[static thistle]

fair but he always seems to get jumped lmao

[feral plover]

well its mostly his previous takes and the obvious bias to shit on @reef bolt

[solar crown]

eternal removed crouching also because.... it's pretty much useless

in 2016 you used it what, once at the end boss?

[feral plover]

I dont think so

Im pretty sure u just jump through a hole

Even the vents that lead to the Doomguy toys u’d think u would crawl but they actually fit standing

[solar crown]

ok so the only use crouching could have in eternal is something that they simply fixed by letting you walk, lmfao

[woven siren]

i'm fine with complex movement honestly, as long as it feels intuitive

[solar crown]

outdated gameplay mechanics like needless crouching are better off gone anyways

[feral plover]

it rlly depends how u design your game

Things like Crouch Jumping are more convenient than Mantling over ledges

Ofc u cant always crouch jump over everything. But it does create a smooth pace in mp games

Being caught climbing over an object cause it takes like 10 years to climb over a ledge just for an Enemy to shoot u in the back is the worse

[solar crown]

make it take a very little amount of time

crouch button could be better used for other things then

[feral plover]

cant rlly imagine doom or quake needing crouch unless its like idk Tf2 kind of Rocket jumping

[solar crown]

yeah exactly

[woven siren]

quake 4 crouch sliding 🔥🔥🔥

[feral plover]

Not gonna lie. I only use keyboard most of the time. Sometimes I use mouse, but it can be bit troublesome

[elder viper]

I see him aggressively shit talk 2016 quite a bit

[hallow bough]

YOURE so annoying

[reef bolt]

Well he talks nonsense nonstop and that generally annoys me

[inner isle]

I mentioned this idea in #doom-2016 a few days ago but what if UN was replaced with some kind of "remix mode" difficulty

and not just what Eternal's Master Levels did

I mean changing enemy behaviors beyond just speed, adding exclusive enemies, changing the weapons

[woven siren]

like a randomizer?

[inner isle]

Even more than that

[static thistle]

Man it would be awesome if the game had couch co-op either by playing the actual levels or even a 1v1 without the other person needing an account

[feral lake]

I think for the future, we should get Doom III

that sounds like a pretty good idea to me

[clever bear]

We have Doom 3

[feral lake]

yeah that's Doom 3, I'm talking about Doom III

[static thistle]

You mean like a doom 3 that plays like the classic doom?

[feral lake]

na I just mean another classic doom game in general

doesn't need to have anything to do with Doom 3 specifically

[static thistle]

Yeah

Would be awesome to see more classic doom content fr fr

[clever bear]

Might I suggest the various addons included with the modern Doom 1-2 ports?

[feral lake]

yeah I know, we certainly aren't lacking in content for classic doom

[static thistle]

Yeah

[pine pike]

DOOM 29 is gonna come out in 2029

[elder viper]

Sounds like a waste of time. Just go play any of the hundreds upon hundreds of fan made stuff

Or Sigil

[feral plover]

Sriously?!!!

Have doom 29

[pine pike]

yea

DOOM 29 is gonna come out in 2029

[feral plover]

Where u see doom 29 ?

[pine pike]

2029

[feral plover]

Yes but

Show me please

[pine pike]

I dont have it

ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET Its coming out on 4/5/29

[feral plover]

Ok

[main grotto]

I would like to try D16 with kb only as well, but cannot stand the gameplay -until I end up modifying the campaign (mostly map files but entities as well). ppl like the excuse of "verticality" to which I say from an ideological point of view, it is nice, yes, but gameplay wise f the verticality. 80=90% of the time when you kill monsters you just shoot straight

now if I think vertical action is down back on the trend a bit bc console players

[feral lake]

This comment was a waste of time
Checkmate

[elder viper]

Ok but why would they go back to a 30 year old engine to make a full fledged game on when they could make a new game on a new modern engine?

[feral lake]

Idfk

I was being satirical

[feral plover]

U kinda r/whooshed urself there bucko

Thats a bit Cringey poo, gonna erase your search history

[woven siren]

how the fuck was that satirical in any way, shape, or form ☠️

you mean you were joking

[woven siren]

https://www.moddb.com/mods/unfamiliar-trilogy
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/megawads/d2redux
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=49292

just this entire thread tbh https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/117721-list-of-doom-wad-fan-remakes/

there's also quite a few final doom-styled wads (plutonia 2, prcp, tnt devilution, tnt revilution, etc.)

also afaik lots of early 90s wads play like the og games

[elder viper]

Funny how Heretic and Hexen are pretty much overhaul mods for Doom yet play and feel so different

[feral lake]

uh, because it was satire?

dunno how it's not satire

[woven siren]

satire doesn't mean "not serious"

satire is when you mock or critique somebody or something with exaggeration

[static thistle]

yeah im pretty sure its supposed to be sarcasm

[woven siren]

"this comment was a waste of time" isn't sarire but "omg anime is temporary DOOM is eternal hahahahaha rip and tear!!! doom slayer killd god and goku" is satire

[woven siren]

it's called joking

people forget that exists

[feral lake]

nonono, I like sarcasm

[static thistle]

yeah well

[feral lake]

gonna go with that

[woven siren]

that wasn't sarcasm either but okay

[feral lake]

I mean it could've been

you don't know, maybe that was my intention this whole time

[woven siren]

...

sarcasm is using irony to mock or show contempt

[static thistle]

satire is to mock PEOPLE but sarcasm is just to mock in general?

[woven siren]

like "wow man this place is fancy af, amazing how you can afford fine dining" when your friend takes you to mcdonalds

[woven siren]

no

sarcasm is using irony to mock

[static thistle]

aight

[woven siren]

satire is using exaggeration to criticize

it's more broad, but that's the gist

[feral plover]

i love sarcasm

[static thistle]

Sarcasm is amazing

[mint plinth]

New doom game when

[elder viper]

Never

[woven siren]

tomorrow!

im makign new doof game

[main grotto]

any yt playthroughs? these days time is of essence LOL

[feral plover]

LOL

[woven siren]

i've only seen modded playthroughs of unfamiliar trilogy, martinoz on youtube has played both unfamiliar trilogy and doom 2 redux with brutal doom mod (not a fan of it)

[main grotto]

I am asking because imo the best method to present wip maps mods and so on is to just upload to yt. having to dwl, copy move, start the game and so on is a hussle IF the mod/map is nothing out of ordinary. it would give ppl the sense of lost time. just my opinion

[woven siren]

i agree

[reef bolt]

[cedar sand]

ommagawd

[feral plover]

As a McDonald's employee this is kinda true

[reef bolt]

Back in my day everything McDonald's was all brown and yellow with sticky brick floors and cheap plastic chairs in the shape of stupid marketing characters

[feral plover]

Back in your day McDonald's wasn't so greasy shut u0

[reef bolt]

You mean back in my day when you didn't need a fucking calorie count on the menu dipshit

[feral plover]

McDonald's "my hearts not lovin it"

[reef bolt]

Hahahahaha oh God that song

[inner isle]

what if the Doom Blade could have elemental quality upgrades and stuff

[solar crown]

I'd rather have the guns have that then instead of an offbrand bp

[thin basin]

Instead of “meathook but fire “ maybe have different types of shot for the super shotgun? Like dragons breath, flechette rounds that do low but continuous damage for a certain amount of time, a pattern of small explosives like the micro missiles, that kinda thing

[solar crown]

Congratulations, you reinvented weaponmods

[inner isle]

Stop being so condescending to everyone goddammit

[woven siren]

nah it's funny

are they wrong with the weapon mods though

[feral plover]

i find it quite entertaining

@solar crown if i may ask whats ur top shooters

[solar crown]

haven't played all too many but doom eternal, dusk, and ultrakill are probs up there

most are on my playstation which i dont use anymore

[feral plover]

Fair enough ig

[solar crown]

call of juerez gunslinger was mighty entertaining though

payday2 but it is utterly bloated so eh, still hopeful for pd3

[feral plover]

havent heard that one in a while

randomly had that in my 360 dont think i touched it.

[solar crown]

it was free on steam a while back

that's where i got it from, havent heard about it ever before

[feral plover]

I mostly bloat and gloom abt the state of shooters i dont play much of it anymore

[solar crown]

AAA shooters are shit usually

indie still has a multitude of gems
metal: hellsinger is one i have heard good about

[feral plover]

As someone who grew up with far cry3, Halo, titanfall, battlefield, etc. Yes it does disappoint me.

[solar crown]

viscerafest, project warlock

hyper demon for it's cocaine filled experience

[feral plover]

so ive heard and still need to play some of those

[solar crown]

shadow warrior 3 i've heard from underthemayo was pretty good

[feral plover]

Amazing how undermarketed indie games are. especially when e3 just cancelled

all these big corporations are just gonna market their own Triple A games alone removing any attention for others who want a diverse platform

a real middle finger to the industry the way i see it

[feral plover]

Ig if ur into extraction types, Marauders and HUNT showdown are nice

also games to keep track of like STALKER. A hardcore survival shooter

Metro series is also quite nice especially when the first game was remastered for RTX and such

[solar crown]

They sont have the funds for marketing

Iirc AAA studios spend almost as much on marketing as on the game itself

[feral plover]

oh i def know that. Im just stating a platform abt advertising games from all platforms/genres Triple A or not is quite underwhelming.

[solar crown]

though i will say

good indie shooters WILL get advertised because of mouth to mouth alone

ok, not always, but still

[reef bolt]

Dusk

[solar crown]

i named it a bit before

[elder viper]

Cultic is a good time.

[topaz dirge]

it’s honestly horrible compared to really any fighting game

[elder viper]

yes cause Shadow Warrior 3 is definitely a fighting game

[topaz dirge]

if it’s not a fighting game what is it

[elder viper]

it's a first person shooter

[topaz dirge]

holy shit am i looking at the wrong game

[elder viper]

Think you might be friend, lol

[topaz dirge]

IM THINKING OF SHADOW FIGHT

[elder viper]

I can see how you could get the names mixed up

[topaz dirge]

lmao sorry

[elder viper]

its good

[solar crown]

[feral plover]

I’m 17 and single, and you’re watching disney channel

[reef bolt]

[barren dagger]

[quartz beacon]

[inland basin]

[elder viper]

It’s a decent port yeah. Though I tend to use a source port anyway

[feral plover]

Guys, imagine a doom 64 game that’s like doom eternal

Because doom 2016 was like the first doom game in doom eternal was like the second doom game

So so canonically next to be doom 64 or final doom

Maybe the doom three remake remake I don’t know

[inner isle]

god I really want a return to horror tones

soooo bad

I don't care how they do it, just do it in a way that makes me satisfied

[elder viper]

Maybe? I really doubt they'll continue those parallels though.

[lime abyss]

Same

That takes away from the whole point of being the only thing that can stop them

True

Like a UAC soldier

I really wanna see the human mechs in action

I mean in a different thing

[clever bear]

Doom is about being the thing killing the demons. That’s the core ethos of the series. If you want a game where you’re powerless against them, fine but don’t call it Doom.

[feral lake]

play Doom 3

well there are other games that exist that give you that experience then

[clever bear]

Doom as a series isn’t compatible with that kind of gameplay. It sounds like you want Dead Space. Doom is fundamentally different from Dead Space.

[feral lake]

yeesh

not every game needs to have spinoffs in other genres

and even if Doom 3 is boring and tedious, it's often viewed as a black sheep just for being a survival horror doom game

so I doubt another survival horror doom game would do well even if it is a spinoff, especially with how the new games redefined the series

I'm not against a survival horror doom game tbh, I just don't think it's gonna happen

[solar crown]

Play dead space but download a mod that turns you into doomguy

You get exactly what you wang

[solar crown]

Ok then a good survival horror with doomguy skin mod

[inner isle]

Doom Shock

[woven siren]

stop talking about doom shock

you could be talking about shoom dock instead

the clearly superior theoretical game

[elder viper]

Love how in this channel the most people want Doom to become something it isn’t. Like a surprising amount of people wanna become powerless regular people in the next game

And even Doom 3 made you still a force to be reckoned with

[solar crown]

doom1-3 had "regular" people

and your superpowers are barely a thing ingame

[elder viper]

I meant “force to be reckoned with” from a gameplay perspective. Your pretty fast and have a variety of powerful weapons at your disposal

[solar crown]

can still have that has "regular" people

[woven siren]

regular as in REGULAR

because doom 1-3 had "regular" people but if we're going off gameplay feats, those people are not regular

[solar crown]

sooo they want to play a shooter where you.... can't shoot enemies?

[woven siren]

no i mean

[elder viper]

Scroll up. They say they want a survival game where your borderline powerless against the demons. Like one of the UAC soldiers that would end up getting massacred by the demons

[solar crown]

ok i barely missed that ig

[woven siren]

if you want regular regular person you're going to make it play like a way more tactical game

[solar crown]

rainbow six but doom? i guess those guys just straight up dont get gaming

[elder viper]

They don’t get Doom. If you want to play a game like that there are plenty others. Doom is not one of those games

[solar crown]

that's like asking for a hack and slasher slime rancher

[elder viper]

or a first person shooter Mario game

[reef bolt]

Ridiculous

[solar crown]

ok, dead space then

"doom but you can shoot less" sounds horrible

so will this game be

it wont be made by ID that is for sure so you're throwing a new studio the doom IP and have them think of their own lore

[digital forge]

Hey man if you wait for a while there might be a doom 3 reboot

[junior saffron]

doubt it tbh

[solar crown]

i mean yeah but not for doom, just for a new game

it's is about as good as an idea as doom RPG

[digital forge]

If they rebooted doom and doom 2
Why wouldn't they make a reboot of doom 3?

[solar crown]

doom1 and 2 didnt really get rebooted, they just borrowed very vague broad strokes

[junior saffron]

there are more popular old games that they would reboot rather than spending money on a doom 3 reboot

its been a long time since any real quake game so id would prolly reboot something in that franchise

dooms past reboots at this point, i think they'd just focus on the next cannon doom game

[digital forge]

Nevermind i forgot doom 3 is alternative universe so it's not the "most canon" game in doom universe

But hey they might make it one day

[solar crown]

just play something new

i dont think ID as a studio is really handy to just force doing something they arent doing

i wouldnt say 2016 and eternal are the literal same, the many differences of opinion is the proof of that

and they said they wanted to make the next one a bit slower

sounds like a * you * issue

"guys i refuse to play other games so instead of playing other games i want to force this game series to become something it isnt"

but it doesnt though

[short mantle]

Sounds like "Watch your language" please.
No need to get disrespectful.

[solar crown]

and hell even then it is gonna try something else within the same general genre

if you dont want to kill demons in a demon killing game.... play a non demon killing game then?

instead of forcing the demon killing game to be a.... not demon killing game

i'm sorry i put more thought in it then you apparently

some people hate to admit being wrong ig

toxic? nah not really
smart? well i mean.... looking at the convo....
ass? well i got one but that's where it ends

[short mantle]

You did see my message right?

[reef bolt]

Og doom 3. Even some og mods for ammo nerf and enemy buffs can be a ton of fun. We won't be seeing another doom 3 type doom game though. Only a remaster if we re lucky

[clever bear]

Doom doesn’t have to try something different. No game or series can be all things to all people so it’s important to focus on what you’re good at. Doom is good at fast paced FPS action. I would be interested in having a power dynamic closer to the first 2 games though. In those you’re less John Wick and more Rambo or McClane: you have to be resourceful and scrappy to come out on top rather than just being an unstoppable force.

[solar crown]

i mean you kinda have to be resourceful in eternal though cause of the kinda limited ammo

[clever bear]

I guess, but it’s way less limited due to the chainsaw giving you ammo almost as fast as you can spend it

[solar crown]

only if you are already decent tbf

[clever bear]

Also I’m more talking about how stuff like infighting can be used to cheese some fights and you’re sorta expected to do so

[feral lake]

not doom but the next wolfenstein game should see the return of the zombie mutants

[reef bolt]

I mean new wolf does already have zombies and mutants

[feral lake]

but not zombie mutants

the og's, from wolf 3d

the ones that causes everyone who plays wolf 3d to break their computer and never touch games again

[reef bolt]

You should see them in brutal wolfenstein. Real nightmares

[south willow]

Doom dating game

[mint plinth]

Xbox showcase in June. Hopefully we get a update to what Id has been doing. All they said last year was "we aer not ready to show you". So? Are they going to be ready? And will it be Doom, Quake, Both, or something else?"

[feral lake]

Probably Quake tbh

[elder viper]

If we see anything or get any news it’ll be either confirmation on the game or a super short trailer (or both)

We also have the Summer Games Fest, and the PC Games show (which sucks but hey it’s still there)

[clever bear]

I kind of doubt Quake will come back seeing how much of Quake’s DNA has been absorbed into modern Doom

So I figure the next game will either be Doom or a new IP

[elder viper]

I was thinking a Quake 1 reboot that has explosives be a more core part of the gameplay. The rocket launcher and grenade launcher are far more useful then the shotgun or double barrel.

[mint plinth]

Well i hope for new Doom,

maybe spinnoff

[feral lake]

I remember them saying that if Eternal was like a racecar then the next installment would be like a monster truck

which makes me thing slower but more impactful, like a walking tank rather than a wirlwind of death

[mint plinth]

and wnating to visit chtulu hell

whatever that means

[feral lake]

it would make sense if they continue the story post Eternal with Doomguy since he no longer has the power of the dark lord

so I believe he'd be a regular human again like he was in the original games

[feral lake]

fighting eldrich entities likely

[mint plinth]

so quake 1 monsters

[feral lake]

possibly

[mint plinth]

so a side quest, or spin off. And or maybe a prequel

[feral lake]

tbh the way I'm thinking about it is kinda like Doom 2016

[mint plinth]

lots of story to be told while doom guy lives with the sentinels.

[feral lake]

hmmm

the cthulu hell thing makes me think of a survival horror setting, but instead since it's Doom you'll be more proactive on the killing side rather than your typical survival horror

but that's essentially what 2016 was

[mint plinth]

i just want the doom hype to return. i have a feeling we wont see doomguy for a bit though. Maybe same universe

ihpoe they announce a teaser in june, then some gameplay for QuakeCon

[reef bolt]

It'll most likely be quake I feel it

[mint plinth]

Where the hell is wolfenstein 3, development hell?

[reef bolt]

Must be

[feral lake]

put on the backburner

Machinegames is a fairly small studio so they can only work on about one project at a time

and currently that project is their upcoming Indiana Jones game

[mint plinth]

bleh

[feral lake]

and if that along with the new movie do well, they're likely gonna make more Indiana Jones content before returning to Wolfenstein

if they do Wolfenstein III after Indiana Jones, we probably won't be getting it till 2026 or later

given games generally take about 3 years to make well, 2 if it's rushed

[mint plinth]

well if they make another indiana jones game, i would hope wolf could go do somoene else

or just reboot it ... again

[feral lake]

I would like to see the conclusion of the story

when you finally dismantle the nazi empire entirely

[clever bear]

I figure the next Doom could involve stuff like destructable environments and hard hitting weapons but maybe you have to deal with traditional ammo management and high tier demons require a bit more caution to take down

The fun thing about that combination is breaking down walls would let you attack and move from new angles but it would also be a significant risk so you would have to be careful with it

[woven siren]

go play classic doom then lol

or doom 3

or doom 64

not every game is nu-doom

[woven siren]

tbf it varies with classic doom, but go play a wad that starves you of ammo and health and the power fantasy aspect is long gone at that point

[woven siren]

please read

have you played ANY doom maps past the IWADs

official wads basically

that's ur problem then

go play something like okuplok and tell me if it makes you feel powerful

yeah, 24k monsters in a single map

hell, even maps with less monsters can feel tougher

...

you can also just iddqd

and turn on fly and sv_fastweapons

[feral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/trollfacelmaaaao-gif-23938565

he do be trolling

[clever bear]

Something I like about classic Doom that later games have moved away from is how the power fantasy was very much there but it was less “unstoppable killing machine” and more “badass who is fast and strong but still has to get resourceful to come out on top”
Less Robocop and more Die Hard

[woven siren]

exactly

[reef bolt]

I'm an unstoppable killing machine in both. No idea what you're talking about

[feral plover]

Still feel like this is reflected in the gameplay of the newer ones (on high difficulty) but there’s some ludo-narrative dissonance because of that

You have to be fast, resourceful, and tactical to even survive but then the game starts hyping you up as this mega unstoppable force of nature in the cutscenes and dialogue

[solar crown]

Well i mean, "resourceful"
Press reload if near empty

Still better then just randomly pick it of the ground and pray you don't miss too much and end up fucked but still

[clever bear]

I still prefer the finding ammo in the environment formula since it means
1- the level designer can determine how much ammo the player has to work with
2- the player can’t afford to waste ammo because they don’t know when the next resupply is coming
3- additional ammo can be used as a reward for secrets instead of collectibles or permanent upgrades

[feral lake]

did that other guy get banned or something? the one who was going on about survival horror

[clever bear]

Idk

Did they say anything banworthy? I don’t remember seeing anything like that

[feral lake]

someone got banned earlier in general chat for homophobia, dunno if it was the same person or not

[clever bear]

Oh yikes

[feral lake]

meh, doesn't matter now

[ornate urchin]

Trans is fine and all its just when they promote that shit to kids is when the issue starts

[solar crown]

so it's fine until people get to know it exists? sounds like you arent fine with it

[reef bolt]

Sounds like that isn't a discussion for here

[ornate urchin]

no I'm saying kids shouldn't have access to Trans medications/surgery

[solar crown]

they already dont so that's not an issue at all

[ornate urchin]

a parent got arrested in Canada because he said no to his kids getting hormones

it's a pretty big issue

[solar crown]

i misread medications

but parents dont always know best especially not ignorant ones

[ornate urchin]

all parents should know that it is unsafe for children to take hormones/puberty blockers

[solar crown]

wait till you hear about puberty

your body makes those dangerous hormones itself, truelly awfull

[ornate urchin]

the ones your body produce are safe, it's not safe putting hormones of the opposite gender into your body

[solar crown]

but it is though

it's hormones, nothing special

literally the exact same chemical formula

[ornate urchin]

no it is not

male and female hormones are different

[solar crown]

yeah and those hormones are safe

[ornate urchin]

not for the opposite sex

[solar crown]

they are though

your body slowly goes to pretty much all of the other's sex secundary characteristics and quite some primary ones

[reef bolt]

Technically alot of modern food does increase estrogen levels. For men and female.

[solar crown]

there are a lot of unwanted side effects if you have a hormonal imbalance though

but hormone replacement treatment doesnt give you an imbalance, it balances your hormones to the other side

[ornate urchin]

even if what your saying is true the hormones aren't reversible

so if you change your mind to far in it's to late

[solar crown]

yeah and also a lot of other crap like too many medicine leftovers and just overall unhealthy things like too much salt and stuff

[solar crown]

quite a lot of things are reversible

theres very little non-reversible things like lengthening of your vocal cords, boob growth

[ornate urchin]

it has been proven and said by many Trans people that It is not

[solar crown]

reversible to a sizeable degree then

[reef bolt]

I think his argument here is that early hormone treatment before puberty can stunt the muscular and skeletal structures permanently even if as a adult the individual wishes to transition back they won't be able to fully. I believe that's the core argument of the other side

[solar crown]

not 100% but close enough to where the general differences within the groups themselves cover it

[solar crown]

depends on how far, just hormone treatment is quite reversible

the things that are permanent are the things that are already permanent from regular puberty

[solar crown]

also iirc it is only stunted with hormone blockers, but i dont think there is enough research for full on hrt pre-puberty

[ornate urchin]

wdym regular puberty, if you're taking hormones you're going through the puberty of the opposite sex

[solar crown]

did you read the sentence

the things that are permanent
as in, the permanent changes from hormones

[ornate urchin]

besides all of this why can't kids just wait until they are adults to actually make the decision

[solar crown]

can they also decide to have their first puberty then

[reef bolt]

Well for the reasons I mentioned

Ironically

[ornate urchin]

if they go through puberty as their actual sex they can still fully transition into the opposite

[ornate urchin]

where? I think I missed it

[solar crown]

if they go through puberty as their actual gender the very few that end up actually regretting it can also choose to go back in the opposite

[ornate urchin]

not very few

[reef bolt]

When you're a boy going through puberty your flooded with test. This will give you dence bones overall structure. After this point these things can not be reversed so if they transition after puberty it won't be to the full extent possible

[solar crown]

people that detransition are already quite a low number

and a majority of those dont even detransition because they wanted it but because of pressure from their family or friends

[solar crown]

wdym with "tests" btw?

[reef bolt]

Testosterone

[ornate urchin]

actually slightly off topic but isn't it weird that being Trans is mostly a western thing and almost never seen else's in the world, this isn't an argument or anything just a genuine thing to think about

[solar crown]

i dont think you wouldnt be able to simulate those tests

[solar crown]

it isnt
historical records have shown people that if they would have lived today would probably be identified as non-binary or trans individuals, and in eastern countries it definitely exists but there is so incredibly much oppression against it that it barely crosses people their minds or they repress it

the non-western world qua acceptance is very much like or even worse then pre 21st century europe

[ornate urchin]

wait why tf am I arguing with someone who calls themselves a professional egirl

I have better thing to do then to fight with a chronically online person

[solar crown]

this also wasn't a message to spark an argument though because of the length it probably seems that way

[ornate urchin]

I'm out of here

[solar crown]

in my defense i didnt pick this bio myself and i have nothing better to replace it with

[ornate urchin]

nevermind I take that back then

[reef bolt]

For example I'm 200 pound 6 foot 2 man. If I transition now my thick ass bones and muscular structure isn't going anywhere. I can change to an extent but if I did it at 11 it would be better results

[ornate urchin]

big woman

[solar crown]

tbf length and bonestructure are incredibly unimportant except for just general health

most of the visual changes are because of your fat distribution changing

[reef bolt]

Overall. I just believe let people be happy. Live and let live. The fact this is just tearing people apart makes me miss being a stupid kid in the 90s trading pokemon cards

[solar crown]

dw you can still be a dumb adult if you try hard enough

trading pokemon cards might be the hard part though

[reef bolt]

Now there's 2 idiots over in eternal saying vr is doable in eternal

[solar crown]

wait i'm gonna help

[ornate urchin]

it is

I have played it before

[reef bolt]

I curse on you and your house

[solar crown]

[feral plover]

Doom

[woven siren]

trans people are very common here in the philippines

that's all i'm going to add because the conversation's already over

[feral lake]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confusion-cat-white-cat-im-confusion-gif-16828447

I'm confused as to how it started to begin with

seemed to come out of nowhere

[static thistle]

They just spawned

[woven siren]

pretty much out of nowhere

[static thistle]

They were prob just scrolling through some games on steam and across our world and just loaded the game

[woven siren]

what

[feral plover]

im back

anyone miss me

[feral plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-i-dont-even-know-who-you-are-marvel-gif-15769006

[reef bolt]

He's fancy

[feral plover]

a quake team fortress mp in a quake reboot is my dream

Another dream is mint ice cream

🙏 i haven't consumed such flavor in a year... please mail me some

[woven siren]

how do you not have access to mint ice cream

if you scour enough places in your region that sell mint flavor, you'll find at least one

[glacial salmon]

Mmm I love toothpaste icecream

[feral plover]

ive been getting off sweets

[elder viper]

Team Fortress Classic reboot when?

[feral plover]

It hits diff playing a scout knowing he does illegal things with Orphans

[valid orbit]

I'm hoping the new Quake will have a great campaign

[clever bear]

Has a new Quake been announced?

[valid orbit]

Nah, Fancy was just talking about the potential Quake Reboot

[clever bear]

Oh okay.

[elder viper]

A great campaign and multiplayer would be great

Also official mod support

[reef bolt]

Hopefully we know by August

[feral plover]

God said let there be quake

[mint plinth]

i want more doom but quake would be next best thing.

"we have not made our best doom game yet" - Hugo. When? Prove it

[clever bear]

I still think Quake returning is unlikely. Not impossible, but unlikely.

[gusty compass]

Similar to the odds of a destiny 3

[clever bear]

A mix of the usual “Quake hasn’t gotten a proper entry in well over a decade” with the fact that its pieces have been used heavily to build modern Doom, including most of what made Quake special

[feral plover]

If Quake returns it will probably be multiplayer focused

Since dooms mp never really blew up

[mint plinth]

Well Doom mp not blowing up was self inflicted

[reef bolt]

It would be nice to see arena shooters make a come back but I highly doubt it. They made battlemode for a reason. But that failed also I guess

[mint plinth]

I would like to see a studio do quake coop and campaigns, but not at the expense of a another doom game or spin off. Call me selfish

[reef bolt]

I would have thought machine games because of their work on quake re release but they still have wolf and Indiana Jones on their plate

[mint plinth]

Yah wolf 3 when serisoulsly. Dev hell and put on back burner

[clever bear]

I still haven’t played Wolf NWO

Been meaning to though

[mint plinth]

start with old blood, then NWO then new colossus. You can skip youngblood. Nothing of value will be gained from playing it.

[reef bolt]

Facts

Although ironically the swear main section was a lot of fun

[feral plover]

An introduction to most of modern gaming's "fads"

as much as Doom does for Shooters with its Movement, Enemy designs, etc. Its multiplayer side of things doesnt do as much besides introduce Deathmatch

Without Quake, games like Half life introducing Story Driven FPS, Team Fortress/Class Based/Hero Shooters, Capture the Flag like gamemodes etc. wouldnt exist

Multiplayer Gamemodes than just Deathmatch are just as influential.

[clever bear]

Sure, but none of that is unusual these days. A lot of what makes modern Doom work is the things it does differently from other modern FPS games, but it also absorbed a lot of Quake’s unique things as well, at least as far as single player is concerned.

[feral plover]

ye which if a game like Doom takes notes from quake. What exactly stops Quake from using them too.

Yes u could say theres the arguement "Well why not make another doom game"

However i do believe theres things Quake could do differently. Such as not using a Glory kill system and find other quirks while having such a similar combat. I dont think Id's Current Flow of combat is saturated like say Ubisoft open world titles or Call Of Duty gameplay.

A lot of stuff Doom Eternal doesn't really use. Such as Bhopping (Besides using a Ballista when alt firing) or Rocket Jumping

Doom Eternal is a fast game but doesnt have the same Depth of movement as Quake does.

[clever bear]

I don’t see how movement tech to do something you otherwise couldn’t is better than just letting players do the thing normally.

[feral plover]

Movement has as much depth as the weapons u hold

[clever bear]

Tech isn’t in itself depth. Depth is about decisions, not something being hard to do

[feral plover]

The difference between these and using just normal Advanced movement mechanics is the choices made.

using Sprint, Slide, Clamber, Wallrunning, etc. don't have punishments nor give u a downside if used incorrectly.

With movement techs its not hard to do but finding a reason to use them is a skill of its own.

If a game like Quake were to find ways to abuse these movements to actually be used more often in a single player. Would be more awesome and just like Doom eternal incorporate into its Platforming sections.

only issue with Quake is the game never actually helps explain these techs and often turned people off.

[clever bear]

IIRC that was because the movement tech was largely unintended

[feral plover]

yet its become a staple to the game.

numerous of iconic features in most games are always unintended but help put an identity

I doubt ur even playing quake right if ur not Bhopping in mp

[clever bear]

If you should bhop that much, then how is it not just sprinting with extra steps?

[feral plover]

because in most games often. Especially in most games. Sprint often locks u in an Animation and theres always a time delay between shooting after a sprint

In addition. Most games dont have a player Reload while sprinting either

Quake doesnt have reloading

But it also be pretty awful if u had to be locked into an animation and not shoot while move

[clever bear]

There’s no reason sprinting couldn’t just let you shoot while you sprint. See also: that’s how it works in early Doom.

[feral plover]

Early doom ya u could just press a button and sprint but is there any reason to have a button specifically to go Zoom

If u have a button to specifically make a player go faster. In both WASD. why not make the base movement at all faster.

[clever bear]

It’s a lot less clunky than needing to jump at a precise time while adjusting aim each time. Incidentally most people make sprint the default and use the button as a brake instead

[feral plover]

The reason im advocating for bhopping is because there is a rythm a player is learning and using it.

If a player just wants to move forward by pressing a button. Are they actually earning it.

[feral plover]

But thats the point of it. Because u earn that reason to evade combat.

[feral plover]

ya the reason sprint is default in most games to achieve a tactical preference of realism or

[clever bear]

“Earning it” is a terrible argument imo. It’s making the controls more difficult for the sake of making them more difficult. If your game needs the controls to be difficult to use to be interesting, something is horribly wrong with the core mechanics

[feral plover]

if there was something wrong with this mechanic. Then why is it beloved and an essential part of quake

Im not saying every game needs Bhopping ofc not.

[clever bear]

Because human psychology is weird like that.

[feral plover]

Well no what ur saying is people will refuse to learn.

Yet Doom Eternal is an example of a game that wants u to learn how to play its formula.

[clever bear]

What I’m saying is people get attached to weird mechanics even when they’re objectively bad for the game, especially when they’ve learned to win more from them

[feral plover]

Ok so why is Doom so popular now when it doesnt have every mechanic a modern shooter has.

like why cant i crouch. Why cant i Sprint. Why cant i aim down the sights of my weapon.

Wtf do i need a chainsaw when most games have me Reload my gun

[clever bear]

Because it does what it does very well. Wtf even is that argument?

[feral plover]

ur saying people refuse to learn

[feral plover]

^

[clever bear]

No I’m saying just because people like something doesn’t necessarily mean it’s good for the game. My background is fighting games, a genre with a long history of unintuitive and often frankly bullshit execution tests. The reason people get attached to those mechanics is because they associate those mechanics with winning, not necessarily because they’re good.

[feral plover]

but we are talking about a game that basically started esports. And these mechanics are what identify the gameplay from the rest.

are u asking for Quake to basically. Change its gameplay.

[clever bear]

I’m saying Quake is antiquated and doesn’t need to come back.

[feral plover]

well ya that was ur last statement but u clearly wanted to argue about a games' control preference

i told u why Quake has a place in gaming.

[clever bear]

It had a place in gaming 20 years ago. I don’t think it does now

[feral plover]

Doom had a place in gaming 20 years ago

30 actually tf or somewhere around

[clever bear]

Doom still holds up though. I’ve played Quake and it feels terrible to play now. Note that neither of those takes are coming from a place of nostalgia

[feral plover]

thats ur preference and i respect that

But u realize that same sentence from ANYONE can apply to any game

heres my Dirty take. Sure.

I dont think Team Fortress needs a 3rd game

[feral plover]

"Doom holds up"

Ya doom holds up because it has the title "First Good FPS" ever made

its revolutionary

Quake is the same way. I mean it started Arena Shooters

To say it didnt revolutionize anything is a laughable thing and a lack of knowledge of the genre's history

[clever bear]

I played Doom 1 for the first time in 2019 or so. A game being revolutionary and a game standing the test of time are completely different

[feral plover]

also a take coming from nostalgia doesnt discredit a take.

I mean Doom itself is old and everyone is a 40 year old gamer with amazing memories to enjoy this game

[clever bear]

Quake was revolutionary. It has also aged poorly

[feral plover]

Ima be real here i dont get why your preference for a video game discredits a games' reason to not make a return when theres a hundred objective reasons backed up by history itself and the boring copy paste current era of the genre is facing as well rn.

[clever bear]

Let me ask again then. What would a new Quake bring to the table that isn’t already here?

Specifically something that would resonate with players now

[feral plover]

-Revival for Competitive Arena Shooters
-A new revival of story to tell that quake 1 provided
-Love Craftian and Goth Art Style it brings that isnt restricted to just being a "Demon"
-A much faster and "Retro" return for movement techs
-Improving the Formula of the Boomer Shooter genre.

[feral plover]

something that resonate with players? How dead is arena shooters do u think rn

The only ARENA shooter that still dominate that isnt a Tactical shooter is Halo infinite's Dying Playerbase and Call of duty

and whatever Indie game that i havent heard of yet or hasnt hit mainstream

[clever bear]

I don’t really have a counterpoint there. I can say I 100% don’t care about competitive play but presumably lots of other people do.

I do remember Quake Champions kinda fizzling a few years ago though

[feral plover]

a few reasons apply. Such as its Hero Shooter Trend rather than sticking to what worked and a lack of teaching people the gameplay.

The inaccessibility Arena Shooters gave because ig Game devs couldnt make proper tutorials for these things.

why Counter Strike was extremely favored.

[clever bear]

Lack of tutorials didn’t stop the fighting game revival but I see your point. As for hero shooter stuff, I vaguely remember Quake 3 doing something like that

[feral plover]

difference is every hero had an ability and unlocking them takes time rather than accessible for all beginning players.

And also mtx.

[clever bear]

Being available from the outset in which game?

[feral plover]

Quake Champions has abilities

and u obv had to put in time or just straight up buy them

[clever bear]

That’s dumb. The fair thing to do would be to let people access the characters’ abilities from the get go

How did it work in Quake 3?

[feral plover]

Overwatch and Apex only extend this trend.

[feral plover]

they were purely cosmetic

[clever bear]

Okay. I like when different characters play differently (part of fighting game appeal) but I get not wanting that too

The fighting game equivalent would be like if everyone had abilities but also slightly different variants of every gun so some people had better accuracy and others hit harder

[feral plover]

thats why most shooters with Abilities are "team" based and not 1v1

Starting with a weapon different than ur opponent isnt "fair" unless the weapon is purely for preference

[clever bear]

Lol. Fighting games are 1v1 too. Admittedly a key difference is that in a fighting game everyone starts with their entire moveset

I don’t mean like different starting weapons. I mean like everyone’s shotgun would be slightly different and everyone’s rocket launcher would be slightly different

And maybe a character would have a grenade launcher instead of rockets

[feral plover]

the issue is how which weapon does more damage and has better performance than the other.

If everyone had the Choice to what weapon they start with.

Thats equal starts because every player had the option to pick whatever they wanted. They just didnt pick correctly.

[clever bear]

In fighting games you always have your full moveset so the balance is around the moveset as a whole. So like in GG Sol has a way better standing kick than most characters but he doesn’t have any normal attacks with good reach because he’s designed around being a close range monster. Faust on the other hand has slower moves in general but they control space really well. It leads to them having completely different strategies in gameplay but you’ll likely see both in a high level tournament

[feral plover]

the reason why shooters dont work is cause a gun doesnt own such Flexibility

[clever bear]

Yeah it would be like if you spawned in with all of your guns at once rather than having a starting weapon and finding others in the arena

So that could be like a character having an amazing shotgun but a terrible railgun or a character whose guns do low damage but have better effective range than normal

You’d very much have to design the whole game around it rather than tacking it on

[feral plover]

ye thats why hero shooters like Overwatch have things like health values for every class, Movement, Weapons, etc.

Ur not redesigning the game. Ur making a LOADOUT

If everyone had 100 health but one holds a rocket one holds a grenade launcher. Its a disadvantage because a Rocket has more splash damage and accuracy.

However if say a rocket user is Slower and more health. vs. a Grenade launcher who moves Faster but less health but the grenades do more PRECISION damage than splash.

Now u have a Glass Cannon vs a Walking tank

[clever bear]

Guilty Gear specifically gets even weirder with stuff like a character who is really weak until she can find an opening to power up safely and if she gets that she probably just won the round.

[feral lake]

I don't even consider Halo or Cod Arena Shooters

Halo is arena like, but defines itself as more of a team based objective shooter

and Cod, well that gives you loadouts and killstreaks so

[elder viper]

Right cause there not. A YouTuber called The Act Man made a video called “The Rise and Fall of Arena Shooters” and it was a very poorly made video

He included games that weren’t even really arena shooters just 90’s FPS games

[feral lake]

to me an arena shooter is primarily free for all slayer with powerups and whatnot

although it is quite a loose term tbh

[woven siren]

i would kill somebody to have quake active again

[woven siren]

halo is an arena FPS

well, if you ignore the movement being part of the wikipedia description

because having an enclosed map with pickups is basically what an arena FPS is

[feral lake]

I mean yeah Halo is constructed like an arena fps but it plays very differently to one

[woven siren]

you're also the guy who says browser games don't feel like "proper games" so i'm going to take everything you say with half a kilogram of salt

[woven siren]

yeah

if fast movement is part of the definition for AFPS, i'm pretty sure halo doesn't cut it

[feral lake]

What does that have to do with anything

[woven siren]

it means i don't trust your statements with video games

[feral lake]

Ok, and?

[woven siren]

what do you mean "and"

[feral lake]

Never said you had to

[woven siren]

yeah but like

nothing really wrong with saying it either

[fleet vortex]

I have an idea concerning the future of DOOM

[solar crown]

If only there was a channel you could speculate and theorize about the future of doom

[woven siren]

if only 😔

[static thistle]

Need a petition for that channel

[fleet vortex]

Just I want ID software to release the cancelled DOOM game

[solar crown]

it's too unfinished for them to release

[fleet vortex]

Just they need to work on

[solar crown]

it's not worth the work

[woven siren]

^

i think giving us the unfinished version to screw around with and sort of view as a cool piece of history would be good enough

[elder viper]

It’s not worth it. It’s more of a vocal minority that wants that cancelled game. RAGE is probably the closest id game to that cancelled Doom just go play that

[solar crown]

wasnt it cod like

[feral plover]

i swear everyone only started saying this cause Favyn on twitter just makes the statement “halo isnt an arena shooter”

its an arena shooter with different rules in a similar combat situation

Then i see some boomer just say Quake isnt an arena shooter. 💀

[woven siren]

yes

[feral plover]

I want a hug

[earnest current]

i want a doom 3 remake

[elder viper]

i want a quake 1 reboot

[glad egret]

I do too, even though I like Quake 2's sci-fi style more.

[feral plover]

No you don’t

[earnest current]

yes I do, shot for shot remake with higher quality assets

[feral plover]

https://tenor.com/view/shaq-wake-up-sleeping-basketball-gif-22752712

[feral plover]

no more MONORAILS!

[earnest current]

Imagine the plasma rifle darkness segment but with doom 2016 type graphics and ray tracing

Pure soul 🚬🚬

[feral plover]

Would be mid

[earnest current]

Shhhhh

You don't know what mid is until you see it with your own two eyes

[feral plover]

Its called your ex

[earnest current]

you're so fucking right about that bro, you don't even imagine how right you are

[feral plover]

I’m the demon on your shoulder

i told u to dump her at summer camp in the archery activity

Dump her body in the furnace after an arrow pierced through her forehead.

@earnest current who would you be without me….

[earnest current]

i think you're insane homie

[feral plover]

[feral plover]

Calculated not insane

[clever bear]

I’d love a Doom 3 remake if they tuned up combat a few notches.

In general a remake of Doom 3 that took the RE remake approach of improving things wherever it makes sense to would be awesome

[feral plover]

id say actually do more engaging puzzles and add unique combat scenarios

Instead of feeling like every combat scenario is the same

[clever bear]

That’s the kinds of improvements I’m referring to

[feral plover]

weapons imo lacked any identity and were kinda generic for its time

the plasma gun and BFG were my only personal highlights without considering the DLC

[clever bear]

The weapons were fine imo. The shotgun could use some minor tweaks but otherwise I really like the arsenal

[feral plover]

the issue is how useful the SMG just is compared to chaingun imo

especially bfg version obv changes things like ammo capacity

Never had so much plasma ammo in my life lol

[clever bear]

In a remake with bigger and better designed fights they’d feel way more distinct

[feral plover]

the chaingun always suffered in modern doom because 2 automatics that do the same thing are always competing for eachother

[clever bear]

There would be more fights where the difference in DPS matters while the machine gun has better accuracy and no prefire spin.

[feral plover]

ye but what stops me from using the plasma gun

[clever bear]

Ideally you wouldn’t get much ammo for it

Doom 3 dropped the ball on the ammo front

[feral plover]

Why i dont enjoy automatics in games so much cause its always competing

[clever bear]

The machine gun and chaingun feel pretty distinct in any fight where there’s enough big guys for the chaingun’s higher damage to matter. On little guys the machine gun is better as its less clunky to use

[feral plover]

id say this is why Quake 1 didnt have a plasma gun just cause there wasnt a reason to even have one.

even the “laser” gun sure was there in Scourge of Armaggon but Super Nailgun already existed

Im not rlly a big fan of “Saving” ammo. Like i dont rlly wanna save plasma for a plasma gun just to put it down for a specific enemy and prefer a weapon be used for a broad veriety.

[clever bear]

Ammo saving is basically a core part of why original Doom’s guns were as balanced as they were. In particular because plasma lets you use the strongest weapons so you can’t afford to waste it.

[feral plover]

ye but now doom games are just CHAINSAW THAT F-

[clever bear]

Doom 3 is closer to the old games mechanically

[feral plover]

i am an advocate fro Ammo drops matter

🙏chainsaw is temporary, Floor ammo is eternal

[clever bear]

Same

[feral plover]

also i like the designs

i enjoy the “Box of ammo” “Shells” or “Rocket” or “Box of rockets”

“Clip, Magazine, backpack of ammo”

[feral plover]

Re remakes have generally been underwhelming

[clever bear]

The 3 remake was, but the 1 and 2 remakes were both great

I haven’t played any version of 4

[feral plover]

And like almost every remake I’ve played the essence of the original experience that can’t be recreated in a remake is lost. It’s going to feel completely different and that’s usually not appealing to me (unless the game is trash already).

I also think the remake fad is a sign of creative bankruptcy and would like it to die sooner than later tbh

[glad egret]

Remake 1 and Remake 2 were good. Remake 3 was passable but not amazing. I haven't played Remake 4 but I didn't even like original 4.

[feral plover]

Remake 1 has some issues but it’s a very good remake. RE2R is a solid game but I think it fails as a remake in a lot of ways. Maybe not as hard as RE3R but enough for me to not just overlook those problems. I don’t have nostalgia for RE2 classic I never grew up playing it.

Remakes are a hard sell for me tbh

[elder viper]

I'd mostly just wanna see the cool Doom 3 demons remade.

[clever bear]

REmake 2 is like a good movie remake: it took the original, kept what held up and changed what didn’t. Most people today hate tank controls and fixed camera angles (I don’t for the record) so they used a control style more accessible to a modern audience that largely retains the gameplay feel. My take on remakes is they’re good when they exist to make a classic movie or game more accessible to a contemporary audience while retaining the heart of the original work

[inner isle]

the System Shock remake looks on track to something like that too

[feral plover]

That heart is rarely if ever translated over. Not to say there wasn’t passion put into these remakes but every game is a time capsule. You can’t just recreate that. The remake trend reeks of being completely profit driven with no artistic integrity, which doesn’t surprise me since our pop culture is more obsessed with recapturing past nostalgia than ever. Accessibility isn’t enough of a excuse unless the product is abandonware, since the publisher could simply just port these games over to newer systems.

[clever bear]

The Thing is an example of a great movie remake. It plays fast and loose with adapting the exact plot and characters and even the mechanics of the monster but was extremely careful to retain and intensify the core feelings of paranoia and mistrust of those around you that the original movie was about

[inner isle]

the 1982 one or the 2011 one

[clever bear]

1982

I know nothing about the 2011 movie

[inner isle]

how many cues did it actually take from the 1951 one compared to the original story itself

other than the logo

[clever bear]

I think it was closer to the original story

Remakes are profit driven like anything made by capitalist ventures. If you hate that, blame capitalism first.

[feral plover]

Wow I never thought of this

[inner isle]

the 2011 one is actually a prequel

[elder viper]

Good that System Shock is getting some love considering how it got more or less shafted when it originally released. Didn't help it released the same year as Doom II.

[reef bolt]

Just betruger

[clever bear]

Didn’t know System Shock is that old

[inner isle]

I'd be more interested in the third one if not for Tencent

[elder viper]

I haven't properly played it. But I do want it since it's the reason BioShock exists and that series is easily among my top 5

[feral plover]

I’m aware nearly everything entertainment related is made with a monetary incentive, but that doesn’t justify the sheer creative laziness inherent in that genre of games personally. I will admit I’m so against the idea generally because I’ve played very few remakes I was satisfied with.

More so against it as a trend than I am with it on principle

[clever bear]

Remakes can be lazy, but they can also be really creative and work very hard to recapture how the original work felt. I think RE 1 and 2 both succeed at that. I don’t disagree with it being overdone though, especially with games that aren’t even especially old

Doom 3 is the only Doom game that warrants a remake imo. It does a lot right but the things it didn’t get right alienate a lot of potential players, especially the lackluster combat encounters.

[feral plover]

Remakes would be a easier pill to swallow if the publishers made sure to keep the games they’re based on accessible for modern audiences. Both for the oldies who want to stick with what they loved and newcomers who want to experience the original vision. Even if a remake is better than its precursor I want that classic experience accessible because you can’t replace it.

I don’t really mind the BFG edition of doom 3 for example because even if it’s bad I can just play classic Doom 3

Well unless you’re a console player 💀

[clever bear]

RIP to my laptop. I’d be playing RoE if it were still working

Hopefully I can save enough to get it fixed soon

[feral plover]

I have yet to play either version of RoE

Super shotgun looks neat

[clever bear]

I started it on PS4 but you can tell that they cut a bunch of enemies

I eventually got frustrated with that and moved on

[reef bolt]

More like an elephant gun. It's a blast

[feral plover]

Classic lost souls make a return to

And I think they’re weaker than base game lost souls

So based

[inner isle]

honestly I've been talking about the idea of a Doom immersive sim for a while

I imagine the player character being a UAC scientist, not even a casual marine or ARC trooper

[reef bolt]

You just use the grabber on the souls it's a one shot kill

[feral plover]

You’re dead

Hell’s taking that soup

soul

Fuck

[inner isle]

I'm at soup

[feral plover]

https://tenor.com/view/good-soup-cat-cat-drinking-gif-26216711

[earnest current]

quake did it just fine

re4 too

[feral plover]

Re4 has a million ports so yeah

[earnest current]

so why don't you want a doom 3 remake/remaster?

[feral plover]

Don’t see the appeal for it

Would rather have that time and resources put into new games

[feral lake]

same

[glad egret]

I want a Commander Keen 3D platformer

[earnest current]

i do though

[feral plover]

[earnest current]

this is rather cringe to send to be honest

[feral plover]

[feral plover]

the issue imo abt remaking doom games like doom 3 is the expectation how does this connect to modern doom. Or at least has any relevancy to the main titles

This can feel like wasted time and effort for Id to just make a game with 0 canonicity and then create a new type of community if it does well to WANT this other direction of Doom.

which also leads to further division of Horror Action vs Boomer Shooter

and one side needed to be catered more than the other decided by Id themselves

also remaking Doom 3, only option i can see for current id is use the same formula 2016 and Eternal and Quake has been using and become some Boomer Shooter but this leads to a whole different game entirely

its at a point where is this a remake? or a re-imagine.

[reef bolt]

Just needs a graphic tweak not making it something it isn't

[feral plover]

thats a remaster

[earnest current]

or at least making it not crash to hell and back on modern computers

bump up the resolution limit

the nightdive treatment is what i want

[woven siren]

people hate fixed camera angles??

[clever bear]

A lot of people consider them too clunky and often disorienting

[woven siren]

interesting

personally i'm fine with them as long as the angle is fine

[feral plover]

Late to this but RE2R does downgrade 2's story in unfortunate ways.

It removes most of the connections to RE1, removes a lot of the interactions between its protagonists, fucks with the pacing by butchering the scenario system.

I think it's better than OG RE2 because it makes the game much more difficult and scary, but story-wise it's not the ideal way to experience RE2.

RE3R takes those issues and does bath salts; RE4R completely avoids them and cements itself as the best RE game ever made.

[feral plover]

Many RE fans refuse to engage with fixed camera angles and tank controls because it "looks clunky". I think anyone who does that is a dork, personally. The classic games are awesome.

[feral plover]

counter argument: Third person booty

[reef bolt]

You're getting crashes ? I'm running crazy mods sometimes and never had any issues

[reef bolt]

Love nightdive

[earnest current]

My computer is cursed

Many things work just fine for others but for some fucking reason games crash or don't run as well as they do other machines

Even my brother's laptop has less problems

[feral plover]

Honestly I can only see modern graphics making it worse

Photorealism is less scary and appealing to me 90% of the time

[glad egret]

Absolutely not a fan of photorealism in games.

[feral plover]

I know Doom 3 has some awful texture filtering but I like how the game looks

[glad egret]

yeah that was part of its charm

[feral plover]

Yeah alot of the nuances were lost

The gameplay is hard to compare considering how different they are, but I do appreciate that 2R is way more difficult

[reef bolt]

There's already some pretty great mods that do overhaul spirites and so on and it's done extremely well. Only downfall is you need a pretty decent pc to have them work which is funny

[feral plover]

And hot take: I like RE4R but it’s far from amazing as a remake imho.

[glad egret]

I can't see myself liking RE4R. I don't even like original RE4.

[feral plover]

Don’t know how much of it is recency bias or is just me having contrarian takes

Re4 is like one of my favorite games ever

[glad egret]

Everything I like about Resident Evil is absent in 4.

[feral plover]

Definitely top 3. Only game I 100% like more is Deus Ex.

But Re4 is a game I can always come back to no matter what and still have loads of fun.

[glad egret]

I still have never played Deus Ex. I own it. But I just for some reason have not bothered to actually start playing it.

[feral plover]

I’d recommend playing but download some mods first

There’s a lot of good mod guides out there. Mostly just stability and visual patches.

[glad egret]

I've heard Revision changes a lot of the design so I'm not really into that. But I'll look into stuff.

Anyway I've got a Pathfinder game in a bit so I've gotta jet. Have a good one.

[feral plover]

There’s a mod made by the same devs of revision that is pretty much just the original experience but remastered

You to

[bold solar]

All I want is a doom with you playing as a regular fucking dude trying to reach the doomslayer

Like

You play as one of those soldiers who interacted with the doomslayer and you kill and sneak until you get to the slayer in which you can then do two endings

1.you play as the soldier, and you hide behind the A.I. doomslayer and kill who you need and all is well

2. You play as the doomslayer and you have to kill demons while gaining back your power AND protecting the soldier

Maybe it could be multiplayer?

Thinking of ways to expand upon the doom series

Maybe make PvP unlockable after you complete the story

And base PvP upon the maps but incorporating some mechanics that would make it better

Also not literally copy pasting the maps, and just taking reference

Maybe a cultist who had his mind invaded by a demon(like a marauder) and he tries to open a portal

So you have to stop him

And maybe the final boss be an amalgamation of a bunch of demons including previous doom 3 demons

And the way you kill it is by popping it, but like it kinda has multiple phases cuz of thick skin or something

Maybe include some other hells from separate games to create this one big universe that the doomslayer has to stop from completely merging

That would be cool

Possibly incorporating some fan/non canon ideas. Like how the marauder can talk so presumably has some respect or acknowledgment for the slayer

Wait

Flashbacks to really important points, like when he killed the huge demon that you explore in doom 2016

[elder viper]

Every version of Hell seen across any game all exist in the current one. There is one Hell and multiple species of demon. For example the Doom 3 demons still exist in Hell during 2016 and Eternal just the only one we see are the Hell Knights

[bold solar]

No I mean different hells from completely separate series

[flat moth]

that just wouldn’t happen

[bold solar]

Sometimes I just want to see the doom 3 demons done better

[elder viper]

Soooo? Like for example the Nether from Minecraft combining with Dooms?

[bold solar]

Kinda

Like a collab, be it canon or not

I mean davoth did create the infinite multiverse

So who’s to say he didn’t create another version of hell he just abandoned

Like a pet project or something

Also maybe recreate the event and exp system

[elder viper]

Davoth only created Urdak and Jekkad (later Hell). He never created any worlds besides those

[bold solar]

Cuz rn it’s pretty shit

[bold solar]

But he did create the infinite multiverse no? Maybe a hell just comes with a certain universe and he just doesn’t know or care

Also urdak isn’t actually heaven right, because from what I know there aren’t many angels compared the the constantly flowing source of demons

[elder viper]

Nope. Pretty sure that happened AFTER he was betrayed by the Maykrs who created VEGA Father who went on to do God stuff.

[bold solar]

Then would it be a third hand creation?

Cuz father used davoths powers

[feral plover]

Yeah the father did most of the creating

[bold solar]

AND the doomslayer borrowed a portion of davoths power so davoth was in a weakened state when he died

[elder viper]

Maybe but considering the Maykrs where smart enough to make a being on par with literal God they would monitor him like crazy to ensure he doesn't make a world like Hell. At the very least I would imagine any crazy hostile worlds VEGA Father did make weren't nearly as bad as Hell.

[feral plover]

Davoth creating the father is kind of like a highly intelligent human creating a sentient supercomputer

At least that’s what I’ve gathered from monologue

[bold solar]

But father knows about balance and if there is too much good and someone does a bad, are they just gonna get sent off into heaven? I wouldn’t think so, so I’m thinking like a hazbin hotel situation where the hell isn’t nearly as bad but it still holds all the fuck ups and sinners

Plus the father was a bit egotistical despite his kind-ish nature

[feral plover]

Funny thing is that we haven’t seen Doom 3’s Hell Knights return yet. NuDoom’s HK’s are similar but they’re a lot weaker and smaller.

[bold solar]

So another hell being a creation by father isn’t so far fetched

Just speculation and brainstorming tho

[feral plover]

So I guess 3’s Hell Knights are a higher caste of the hell knight species we see in 2016/Eternal

[bold solar]

Nothing I think is actually canon

[feral plover]

Multiple hells existing in the Doom multiverse would be odd tbh

[elder viper]

Pretty sure there supposed to be the same. Like they fully replaced the old Baron re skin ones

[bold solar]

But it would be cool, no?

[feral plover]

The hell we know is a universal constant and is a direct result of Davoth’s betrayal.

[feral plover]

Eh maybe but there’s a lot more that could be done with doom’s current hell

[bold solar]

Well hell didn’t get worse because he got betrayed, it just got way worse eventually

[feral plover]

Hugo Martin has mentioned that they’re aiming for the next Doom villain to be more lovecraftian so I’m expecting something like Leviathan from Hellraiser

And there’s the hell lords still running about

[reef bolt]

That would be neat. Shubs cool also though

[bold solar]

What I said earlier, amalgamation of different demons, like from doom 3

I think most of hell if not all of hell is able to be killed by tds

Also tds is immortal with or without his powers so I think he just need to be woken up

[feral plover]

The old hell knights were wiped out inbetween Doom 64 and Doom 3 presumably

It’s implied that the gladiator is the last of them

[bold solar]

Funny

I still want more spider demons

[feral plover]

There’s been a million spider demons

[bold solar]

I want MORE

[feral plover]

Vagary coming back would be neat

I liked her in Doom 3

[bold solar]

I barely finished doom 3 when it came out so I’m a little rusty

I can’t remember most things In doom 3 besides the models and playstyle

[feral plover]

Can’t even post wiki links in this server c’mon

[bold solar]

Dm me

It’s faster

[elder viper]

QUAAAAAAAKE

[elder viper]

She's cool but her attacks do a rats ass of damage. I can't even die to her if I tried.

[static thistle]

do any of yall think a master level campaign would be a good idea

[solar crown]

if there where actually enough master levels yeah

[reef bolt]

Starved

[feral plover]

I want to go on a date in a wendy’s

Just to watch poor employee behavior

[feral plover]

What

[idle olive]

If everything is canon, does that mean that Isabelle from Animal Crossing is canon to the DOOM lore?

[solar crown]

not everything is canon though

[elder viper]

no

[idle olive]

I thought I heard that everything including fanfics are canon, but I guess not. 🤷‍♂️

I wonder what happens if Doom Slayer meets Hazbin Hotel tho

Would be one hell of a massacre and mass hysteria

[final swallow]

No.

[idle olive]

I really need to stop coming up with crossover ideas

[elder viper]

You might be getting that mixed up with Half-Life. Valve has said they don’t believe in canon and that anything could be considered canon

[idle olive]

So, if I say Gordon Freeman teamed up with Doomguy, that's canon?

[elder viper]

I guess

[idle olive]

Then, the lore is fucked indeed

[elder viper]

Like the fans have come up with a coherent timeline but this implies that we could very well say Hunt Down The Freeman is canon and no one could really doing anything about it

[feral plover]

considering its a game that involves space and time

[feral plover]

this could also not happen

🙏so whats real anymore is the question

[reef bolt]

Kirby doomslayer team up

[rugged vault]

Do we even know what the future is

[feral lake]

I mean technically, yes

the way I see it, Doom's lore doesn't fully kick in until after Doom 64

while Doom 1, 2 and 64 are the only canon games pre 2016, the lack of story around them makes fitting stuff like fan wads into the timeline relatively easy

and since Doomguy goes to a completely different universe post 64, there's nothing that can really contradict the later games

like, I could throw TNT and Plutonia in after 2 and before 64, and nothing really changes

in terms of crossover with other franchises, that's iffy

[clever bear]

Doom 3 is also technically canon. It just isn’t closely related to the running story. It’s more “meanwhile, on this other Earth that the Slayer never visits……”

[reef bolt]

Tnt most likely isn't even doom guy so that can be tossed to the side

[clever bear]

It’s a Hell Ship! A Ship from Hell!!!

[feral lake]

eh, could be him, could be someone else

up to you really

[feral plover]

Originally Doom 3 was said to be a prequal to Doom (1993). My own head canon rejects that. The way I see it is that Doom 3 takes place during the time the slayer is still in his tomb. The marines are different characters from the original slayer.

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would mean Hayden is somewhere just existing

Yeah, ether working some where for the UAC as a young man, or still a kid/teen.