the-future

[inner isle]

I mean in the way that like he had been the Slayer for so long that he felt that he couldn't do much without the powers anymore

[elder viper]

So like some sort of weird reflection arc for him?

[inner isle]

I guess?

[elder viper]

Hmmm I think they’ll have someone else as a new protagonist working to free Doomguy and they’ll probably ignore the fact he lost his powers

I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. Quake 1 reboot before new Doom game

[inner isle]

honestly tho I just want them to be done with the Slayer shit

it feels more like some kind of crazy parody of the franchise now

[elder viper]

All of id Softwares big IP’s have been revitalized about time Quake 1 got the same treatment

[inner isle]

not to mention Eternal and the DLCs retconning things established in 2016 but that's for #doom-eternal I think

[elder viper]

Oh yeah they can bicker about contradictions all day there

[inner isle]

maybe they can turn "Doom Slayer" into a legacy title

[elder viper]

Next to story I’m most interested in combat. While I don’t have an issue with Eternals resource management stuff and “The Fun Zone” I do want the combat to either be entirely reworked for a new Doom or do what Eternal did but better.

[inner isle]

I'd like a real modernization of the classic gameplay

3 attempted that
emphasis on "attempt" but yeah it tried

[elder viper]

If it’s a new Quake though I’d want things like the rocket launcher and just explosives in general to take center stage in the combat flow. There a big deal in the original. Rocket jumping being a fully realized and fleshed out mechanic would be incredible as well.

Not to diss on Quakes other weapons but the Grenade and Rocket launcher are iconic to the series with the arguably more iconic being like the Nail or lightning gun

And the lightning gun in 2016 multiplayer and Quake Champions is garbage

[inner isle]

oh yeah, and I want Doom 6 to have a plot written by someone like Todd McFarlane or J. Michael Straczynski

the chainsaw would get a Mastery in the form of a second blade a la 64

[elder viper]

Seeing the old Doom 64 chainsaw come back would be cool

[inner isle]

also the real Unmaker would return, using souls as ammo just like the Doom Bible

[elder viper]

Hulshult, Levy, and Hodges doing a collab with one another would be insane. Mix of nice metal and atmospheric tracks. Maybe we could also get a new rendition of the Doom 64 theme

[inner isle]

and also it'd look like something David Cronenberg would design

[elder viper]

A new ammo type would be pretty interesting. How would one acquire soul ammo? Would have to be balanced so they can’t use the Unmaker all the time

[inner isle]

from zombie enemies like in the Doom Bible

[elder viper]

How much would the Unmaker need to be fired? Cause getting it from zombies and being able to use it whenever would be broken as hell

[inner isle]

every time Doomguy gets a Demon Key he "feeds" it to the Unmaker
as in a mouth opens up and he sticks the key in there

[inner isle]

it'd probably have a low ammo count

it'd just need to actually be useful in a way and not feel like a bonus weapon tacked on at the last minute

[elder viper]

I’m thinking of a mouth similar to the Reaper (I think that’s what it was called) from DOOM 2016 deathmatch

[inner isle]

also you can see faces floating around in the barrel

instead of ejecting smoke whenever it's fired, it ejects blood

and the "handle", well
Doomguy sticks his hand into this dark slot underneath the Unmaker and he feels around for a handle, but something just "grabs" his hand instead

that's the "handle"

the whole weapon should feel "alive" like Half-Life 1's Hivehand

the SSG would have a stock again

[elder viper]

Opposing Force had some alive weaponry as well

I like that type of weapon it’s pretty neat concept

[inner isle]

it'd also be able to instakill Super Heavies again like in 2016

when you get a high enough fuel capacity

[elder viper]

If you had the fuel for it of course

[inner isle]

the BFG gets a 2704 mod

the HAR/Heavy Cannon would probably get axed since it's just barely useful in both games on its own

outside of weapon mods

zombie enemies would actually use bullet weapons reflecting the player again

maybe introduce a new "acrobatic" zombie type similar to the Z-Secs in 3

there'd be something similar to the Dread Knight or something that fires micro missiles

a name for Doom 6 could be "Doom: Absolution" but that'd probably be too on the nose

maybe "Doom: Reawakening"

[restive rain]

only issue is it can't be a reload. It can be a pseudo reload like the SSG where it's more of a firerate limiter or shotgun's pump.

[inner isle]

I didn't say that was a reload

I mean each time Doomguy gets a Demon Key artifact an exclusive animation sequence like that plays

[restive rain]

If it's a drop off zombies like classic doom and ammo off shotguners, riflemen, n chaingunners, where it's not a guaranteed drop that would be cool but, if you can guarantee drop it like modern doom's chainsaw, it'll need a downside that isn't a forced "reload" animation like idk CoD where you have a mag size.

Doom 3 did that, mag size with sperate reserve and it's gross imo

[inner isle]

the Demon Key acquire sequence isn't a reload

it's like the animations that play when you get weapons for the first time
except for every artifact acquired

[restive rain]

ahh, but wouldn't that be too gameplay interruptive like when you collect a toy in eternal midcombat unless it's cancellable in which case why include it or is the idea you have to tactically grab it in which case wouldn't it be more effective to just use other tools to not give that risk most of the time. Considering it'll be an enemy drop.

[inner isle]

no, the artifacts aren't random items

have you even played 64?

[restive rain]

No

[inner isle]

the Demon Keys here would function exactly like in 64: they make the Unmaker stronger and faster

and they're not dropped from enemies, they're found in hidden places throughout the game

64 hid them in the secret maps

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/a/a8/DemonArtifact1.png

[restive rain]

Oh okay maybe I'm just misunderstanding you, I was under the interp that these new demon keys were the ammo to the new weapon

[inner isle]

souls are ammo here, like the Doom Bible Unmaker

Unmaker (white). Demon-tech weapon that hurts pure demons a lot, demon-humans very little, tech demons some. Made of demon bones.

Ammo is required for weapons, of course, so here it is!
...
Killed humans. The Darkclaw and Unmaker feed on human souls. Killing
possessed humans or hellslaves allows the weapons to feed.

[restive rain]

Ah i misread, I thought you were still on the topic of how to gain soul ammo back there

[inner isle]

oh, soul ammo can only be acquired from zombie enemies

[restive rain]

Now that I'm not being dumb, it'll be like classic doom drops where you run over it, pick it up and no animation right?

[inner isle]

yeah

well, actually, in my Doom 6 concept ammo and health can't be acquired from enemies anymore for lore reasons

as the Slayer is depowered after the events of TAG2

[restive rain]

that'll be cool then, might even be a neat script mod for eternal

[inner isle]

Eternal has the Famine Mode cheat

[restive rain]

Could go the classic doom route and make them rare drops from corresponding enemies, shells from shotgunners, bullets from riflemen n chaingunners, and plasma from cacos, rockets from revenants, ect. just so it's not map item reliant because having to rely on even more superior map design and ammo conservation like it's Resident Evil will get old fast. Either that or they're gonna actually have to return an infinite ammo peashooter.

[inner isle]

well, yeah, ammo would be dropped from enemies with weapons

[restive rain]

was in reference to the demon keys and new ammo type.

[inner isle]

oh, that
well, it'd be neat if someone could mod the Unmaykr in Eternal to be useful but Eternal modding is nowhere near that advanced

[restive rain]

Kaiser campaign did some similar stuff, just needs some more understanding peeps than I am capable of or so i think.

[inner isle]

also it'd be funny if there was a reference to the Unmaker's acquire message in 64

"What the !@#%* is this!"

https://doomwiki.org/w/images/9/9e/Unmaker_Doom64_2.jpg
because that's a logical reaction to such a weapon

also the SSG will finally have conventional mods for once and not a permanent one like the Meathook

like maybe a separate fire mod (not like 2016's SSG Mastery)

[restive rain]

maybe dragon's breath shot. where it's a replacement of flame hook and flamebelch and you shoot one ssg shot of flame shot for some cost of shell like maybe double normal so 4 or on a timer.

that'll incorp armor in a new way allowing it to be optainable without being near useless like 4 unless they change it back to classic damage reduct

and alt mod could be slugs where it gives range but projectiles and no spread

[elder viper]

Personally I think giving the SSG one static mod is good. The guns damn powerful as it already is. Also don't think id's looking to return to the 2016 SSG cause that thing was absolutely busted

[inner isle]

I was thinking something like that too but I didn't want to take too much inspiration from Brutal Doom and the like

[elder viper]

demons decapitated Daisy and put her head on a spike. That's how she died

Not much to tell to focus on entire game on

[inner isle]

maybe for my Doom 6 idea the depowered Slayer/Doomguy would just make new armor out of wrecked Zombieman armor or something

[autumn mortar]

I mean people have modded in different enemy types and enemy modifications, so it’s definitely in the realm of possibility assuming it hasn’t been done already.

I know one mod where you could get an early bfg but it had no tentacles and took longer to fire.

[inner isle]

I saw a mod that changed the Unmaykr’s ammo type to cells and made it hitscan
But I want it to have its own ammo type so it wouldn’t make the plasma rifle obsolete like in 64

[solar crown]

Tfw plasma rifle is already obsolete in eternal

[inner isle]

I use it for taking out fodder easily for Glory Kills and I like the Heat Blast mod

[solar crown]

I mean you can like the mod but plasma rifle is still terrible

PR is okay ig for imps and gargoyles, if your aim with HC is terrible

[inner isle]

If my playstyle is “the wrong way to play” then I don’t want to be right

[solar crown]

I'm not talking about your playstyle

Heatblast just kinda gets overshadowed by everything

You can like it and use it, no hate on that. But it still is quite a bad mod, doesnt mean you can't like it

Liking a weaponmod =/= that weaponmod is good

I dont like using lock on, but that doesnt remove the fact it's one of the strongest weaponmods

[dense spear]

It's good if you belch a group of fodder and don't want to bp I guess lol

[solar crown]

i mean, only if you already use pr a lot to charge it

which you probably dont cause... it's pr

[inner isle]

Imagine if Doom 6 brings back some of 2016’s multiplayer weapons in the campaign

[solar crown]

aslong as the weapons are unique

[glacial dove]

Honestly I’d be down

Always loved how unique those weapons felt

[feral plover]

imagine if doom 6 brings back 2016's multiplayer and snap map. but like even better

[dense spear]

Yea snap map was awesome

But have a clean menu like eternal

2016s main menu was cluttered

[glacial dove]

I feel snapmap should be a standalone game

One that gets updated with content overtime. Like as more dooms come out

And with different styles

Think Mario maker and snapmap combined

So you could make classic doom. Doom 3. And modern doom levels within it

Very very pipe dream

[elder viper]

2016 multiplayer yes

[feral plover]

Bonus points - style changes mean you can easily just palette swap from Classic to Modern in a flash and it completely changes the game.

Every Classic texture has a Modern equivalent, etc...

Build Doom 1993 E1M1 and then use the Modern style and it's 2016-Eternal textures with modern enemies and gameplay.

[inner isle]

Imagine if they do something like Halo ODST focusing on an ARC trooper during Eternal and the tagline is “the only thing you fear is them”

[reef bolt]

Only thing you feared

[inner isle]

And also in general a spinoff game like this would be a great way to focus on the ARC beyond text and artwork since Eternal did a really shit job at that

[inner isle]

I wonder what kind of plot direction Doom 6 could go fitting with my gameplay ideas
I want to say something involving the Mother Demon to parallel 64
like the Mother Demon reactivates the interdimensional link Hell had

what if they got Gregor Punchatz back as the art director for Doom 6

[sharp sail]

THE NEXT QUAKE

We need more quake but nobody want to make it because it wouldn’t be that popular

They would make another doom game because of its success

[inner isle]

one of the bosses in Doom 6 could be a Cyberdemon/Tyrant with two rocket launchers like the early 64 Cyberdemon design

also it'd have a cool headset mask thing like the 3 Cyberdemon

[tardy abyss]

the bfg should have unlimited ammo but the recharge and cooling down is so long that maybe you will think 2 times before shooting the bfg

[inner isle]

RTS spinoff of Eternal about the ARC vs. the demons

[tardy abyss]

and maybe the heavy canon mag is in the middle like in doom 2016

and the heavy canon mod should make the gun shoot faster and have burning effect to the enemy when overheating

and i hope the doom guy can use the grunt suit

[elder viper]

Always good to see a fellow Quake-Desirer here

[elder viper]

I think a Quake 1 reboot would do pretty damn well. Quake night not be as popular as Doom but I think the Quake 1 remaster somewhat got peoples attention

[feral plover]

This would be epic 😎

[lofty rose]

I agree on co-op campaign

[inner isle]

What if Doom 6 has a co-op campaign like Portal 2

[next oxide]

I wonder what can we expect…for DOOM’s 30th anniversary in 2023.

[feral plover]

nothing

[elder viper]

Maybe some new add-ons? That’s the most I’m expecting

[feral plover]

It would be cool if they made local damage on demons in future doom games like if you only shoot at a demons leg only that part of the model gets damaged

[solar crown]

Isnt that already how it is

[elder viper]

They did this in Eternal bro

[feral plover]

Oh my bad I haven't played eternal yet lolol

Just 2016

😆

[elder viper]

When you get the chance to play it highly recommend, the local damage on the demons is wonderful

[feral plover]

Ight I'll give it a shot, I wanna beat nightmare on 2016 first though because I've heard that it's way more fast paced

[lyric knot]

ngl 2016 is truly 100% faster

[solar crown]

Almost all people think eternal is faster paced, some.say too fast even lol

[inner isle]

Doom 6 should have actual official modding support, please

[elder viper]

I second this

[feral plover]

oh wasnt official mod tools listed on a job listing they've been having for their upcoming project (which is either doom or quake)

[solar crown]

They meant modding as in changing game files, not moderating

There is no need for moderation in a singleplayer game lol, except in the mod list ofc

Yeh, for example

Prpbably something close to that

Official steam workshop support is great

[elder viper]

Dusk is getting a steam workshop update soon which is hype. More games should incorporate the workshop

I feel not enough new games do that, any game running on Source should have workshop support by law

[autumn mortar]

There’s no such thing as too fast

[solar crown]

There is

Eternal just doesnt too fast

[feral plover]

etrnal is faster than ulrta kill

[feral plover]

doom eternal = best game ever

[inner isle]

I wonder what the collectible toy item for Doom 6 would be

[autumn mortar]

Doom Eternal DDR edition

[feral plover]

ultra kill

[feral plover]

?

[feral plover]

ultra kill is better

nah thats a old looking game

[unkempt elk]

doom eternal is better

https://tenor.com/view/doom-taunts-thumbs-up-doomguy-gif-19046636

[feral plover]

honestly ive been seeing more videos on how ultra kill is better than it being vice versa

[unkempt elk]

Ultra kill is temporary but DOOM IS ETERNAL

[feral plover]

tell that to r/gameing

[unkempt elk]

gaming*

[woven siren]

ultrakill seems a tad bit faster

though i've only played UK and not eternal yet

[hidden trellis]

*risk of rain 2

[inner isle]

I feel like Doom 6 should drop the uhhh
the way 2016 and Eternal handled weapon collection

I don't know a quick way to describe it, just how 2016 and Eternal didn't have certain enemies drop player weapons like classic and 3

[feral plover]

Not sure that would flow well with the modern gameplay

[inner isle]

my Doom 6 idea strays from the modern gameplay and tries to stick closer to actual classic like 3 tried to do

[elder viper]

I respectfully disagree with your opinion

[elder viper]

Ehhhhh. I think finding weapons in the environment was better. It was also cool to come across a new gun picking it up, getting that little metal riff alongside the pick up animation

[elder viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-ultracope-cope-v1-v1cope-gif-25320937

[inner isle]

It’ll be both

There are weapons placed alone in the map but some are also dropped by enemies

Just like classic Doom

[unkempt elk]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom-eternal-glory-kill-doom-glory-kill-doom-eternal-zombie-gif-18694440

[elder viper]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-when-you-uhhh-the-gif-25052421

alright no more GIF spam

[feral plover]

what game then

[feral plover]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-v1-ultrakill-suit-smile-gif-26496634

[woven siren]

cat condo 2

[feral plover]

wtf thats a game that exist

[autumn mortar]

I think 2016 did it the best with weapons being permanent but you could get weapons early if you were observant.

[rare arch]

That was cool

[autumn mortar]

What was

[rare arch]

Doom 2016 weapons and how you could get some early

[inner isle]

Of course the weapons would be permanent, but they’re both lying around and dropped from some enemies

[autumn mortar]

It’d make more sense from a design perspective to have it as part of the environment. Also having enemies drop ammo would heavily change the ammo balance.

Unless you mean dropped by one time enemies

[inner isle]

For starters, the base gameplay is closer to classic Doom because my plot idea involves a depowered Slayer

That’s why weapons are acquired the way they are here

The weapons are both part of the environment and dropped by zombie enemies
Exactly like classic and 3

It shouldn’t be that hard to understand

Glory killing takes a backseat too
Either the conditions for performing them are different or they’re just gone completely

And thus you’re more dependent on the level design and item placement for health and ammo

Speaking of level design, secret levels return

Altho while the 64 Unmaker returns, the Demon Keys aren’t hidden in secret levels

[inner isle]

teaser trailer idea for Doom 6: some kind of ancient Sentinel or Hell monologue being spoken as it pans over the Slayer's sarcophagus in the Blood Swamps, then a fist bursts out of the lid

[solar crown]

i really dont think they should just do "slayer somehow leaves his coffin!!!" again

[inner isle]

I mean I wouldn't like it if he still had his powers if they did it

[solar crown]

nah no matter what, just making him magically get out again is just strange

[inner isle]

well, yeah, maybe they can focus on someone entirely different but still be able to shift the gameplay to something classic-oriented

altho I don't think the greater community at large would want to settle on a Slayer-less story in general
hell, I don't think they'd even want to accept a depowered Slayer (despite the fact there's three whole games like that)

[solar crown]

as if the current story has much lol, or just make it a spin off then ig but still just call it doom

[inner isle]

Doom 3 2

[solar crown]

and just because it's a depowered slayer or a new character doesnt mean the gameplay would just be the classics

[inner isle]

I mean isn't health taken from Glory Kills part of the lore

[solar crown]

part of the suit

idk what really is the slayer's his own power tbf, surviving the new berserk powerup but idk

[elder viper]

I like DOOM Eternal don’t get me wrong. Yeah it’s probably the best FPS game of 2020 (But then again Ultrakill released that year to). DOOM Eternals combat flow is pretty great I think the majority of us here can agree on that. But the game has a lot of bugs that I see more videos talk about. The Chainsaw Detection Bug, Enemy AI Shutting Down Bug, Meathook Item Collision Bug, Blood Punch Randomly Triggering Bug, the list goes on.

[elder viper]

Meant to reply to @feral plover

It’s a good game sure as hell ain’t perfect though

This is just my opinion but I personally would rather play Ultrakill over DE cause I just find that game more fun

[feral plover]

qlr

alr

[inner isle]

maybe Doom 6 can be called "Doom: Unleashed"
as a reference to how "Doom: Evil Unleashed" was an early title for Doom 1

obviously people would make Sonic jokes but yeah

have I mentioned before the idea of "Doom Slayer" being a legacy title and the protagonist of Doom 6 onwards earning that title and becoming the next "Doom Slayer"
but not getting god powers or anything

[inner isle]

I feel like the community at large wouldn't like that idea either
saying stupid shit like "nooo there can't be more than one Slayer >:("

[solar crown]

Or just...make the new character be a new character and don't let them copy namesso naming gets confusing

[restive rain]

Theory for next game, it'll be incursions into hell to defeat the remaining demons, to prevent ANY future breakouts from a new dark lord (not davoth but, a new demon leader like the mother demon, ect.) You'll play as a notable "doom marine" fighting as more of a containment, bringing a slower more destructive gameplay loop where combat is less like a sportscar, doomguy "cutting through the horde like a cicle," and more of a stomping out an out of control infection. Game ends with the leader dead or doomguy reclaimed :p

[inner isle]

also god please bring back player Glory Kills

[restive rain]

An idea for glory kill incorp, removing the chainsaw, glory kills will provide "demon essence" rearming your arsenal (A purely UAC arsenal like 4 kinda where visually uses UAC tech AND demonic twists) and powering your suit (health) no armor system as when your suit is compromised you are killed.

[inner isle]

the combat shotgun is now a futuristic lever-action shotgun

because it's vaguely implied (perhaps unintentionally) that the shotgun in 64 is lever-action

[restive rain]

Ooh also demonic essence idea would remove entirely, the need for effort put into multiple kill systems (like having unique glory kill angles for berserk, chainsaw, crucible, and glory kills) allowing a huge amount of diversity into the glory kill system keeping from it becoming stale like 4 and eternal do. ALSO weapon inclusion into GK.

As destroying them fuels you, you can kill them with say your demonic shotgun, fueling it without breaking the immersion of using ammo.

[inner isle]

what if the next protagonist is a straight up cyborg
I remember hearing some stuff about 2016's Doom Hero protagonist (pre-Slayer lore) being a cyborg (lining up with the RoboCop inspiration Hugo has mentioned before) but I'm not sure how true it is

oh, what if Doom 6 like
makes fists a proper separate weapon again

[restive rain]

Should I draw some concepts for the weapons/armor/idea

[inner isle]

yeah

[restive rain]

Theory for next game, it'll be incursions into hell to defeat the remaining demons, to prevent any future breakouts from a new dark lord (not Davoth but, a new demon leader like the mother demon, ect.) You'll play as a notable "doom marine" fighting as more of a containment procedure, suit based off radioactive hazard workers think backrooms or 80's hazard suit futurified, bringing a slower more destructive gameplay loop where combat is less like a sportscar, Doom guy "cutting through the horde like a scythe," and more of a stomping out an out of control infection. Game ends with the leader dead and/or Doom guy reclaimed. An idea for glory kill incorporation, removing the chainsaw, glory kills will provide "demon essence" rearming your arsenal (A purely UAC arsenal like 4 where visually uses UAC tech AND demonic twists) and powering your suit (health) no armor system as when your suit is compromised you are killed since Doom guy is the only who has and probably can survive hell without proper hazard protection. Demonic essence idea would remove entirely, the need for effort put into multiple kill systems (like having unique glory kill angles for berserk, chainsaw, crucible, and glory kills) allowing a huge amount of diversity into the glory kill system keeping from it becoming as stale quickly like 4 and eternal do. ALSO weapon inclusion into GK. As destroying them fuels you, you can kill them with say your demonic shotgun, fueling it without breaking the immersion of using ammo. The demon leader would be a titan as it was regular Doom guy's greatest feat. An idea for him would be larger than tyrant, an arena fight comparable to the main area SGN minus small spaces, his attacks would include an argent laser and include a built in BFG 9,000 as an amage to DOOM 3. (recap)

[inner isle]

what if they do some big-ass horned demon wearing ammo belts and shit

that's how I imagined the Doom Bible's "General Demon" looking like (and nothing like the Spider Mastermind altho I'm sure the concept evolved into that)

[restive rain]

This boss shall be named in spirit of the Doom 3, "Betruger" not too much larger than a tyrant as his arena would be vertical, he would also be able to "fly" hitting any of the vertical platforms. This would take place in the ruins of Maligog beneath the platform the trial of Maligog took place on in a cave as you fight to reach the slayer's resting point. Knowing this from cultists still within the UAC, he must stop you or risk the slayer's reawakening and a continuing of his crusade as he would most certainly destroy him. Following Doom 3's theme, it would be more of "horror game" than badass action. Darker more ambient environments that don't require a flashlight because that would ruin gameplay and with a mixture of exultia's hell area and the kadingir sanctum with a new architectural design maybe include a bit of gothic design to really push that sense of oppressiveness. The route you enter will take you from a new arena outside the blood swamps, now claimed as a stronghold, being drained by the loss of the titan guarding it, now known as the accursed land, fortresses of demons erected to stand guard to the sanctum's tower.

This has turned full fanfic lmao

[inner isle]

Aubrey Hodges does the soundtrack

[meager socket]

I think for lower difficulties in faster paced Doom titles, optionally having marginally slower gameplay (x0,8; x0,9 etc.) instead of nerfed enemy-stats would be an interesting option to choose and would certainly benefit for making it more accessible for people with slightly higher reaction time. As the Doom Slayer got artifically augmented reaction speed, this would be compatible with the lore. it should also not be difficult to implement imo.

[solar crown]

Less demons can attack you at once and they are less aggressive too on lower difficultied

[solar crown]

Removing armour and makong glorykills replenish EVERYTHING sounds terrible

2 different health systems that recharge differently adds just the tiniest amount of debth, whoch is neat and you can expend

[inner isle]

I'm getting Marathon Security Guard vibes when trying to imagine a Doom 6 protagonist that isn't a depowered Slayer for some reason

[solar crown]

Making ammo regen more active, like destroying weakpoints, certain weapon masteries, or something would be better then pressing e near a demon for health AND ammo regen

[inner isle]

huhhh, getting rockets from destroying Revenant launchers sounds like a neat idea

[solar crown]

Also watering down the gameplay cause "DePoWeReD dOoMsLaYeR" is fucking stupid, gameplay over lore after all

[inner isle]

2qpo3wepigw

that was just an excuse to keep the Slayer as the protagonist while massively changing the gameplay

because it'd be weird if he still had his powers but the gameplay was closer to classic

[solar crown]

Yeh fair but usually people just look at eternal mechanics then think "how can we make this more boring?"

[solar crown]

Who said gameplay will be closer to the classics

[inner isle]

I did

[restive rain]

That would be a better idea.

[solar crown]

It should be unique not neccesairly "like the classics" or "like newdoom" but it's own style which may get inspiration from both, but in the end is unique and only continues with the best mechanics

[inner isle]

I didn't say my Doom 6 concept was literally just classic Doom in HD either

[solar crown]

Yeah but still "closer"

[restive rain]

It should not be enviroment based nor should it be something already done. What if they tied it to the music.

Like Mick's idea back in 2016 where the music was tied to gameplay what about the versa

[inner isle]

make level design more non-linear and less arena-based

make it so you can straight up leave arenas with demons still present in them and come back later

[solar crown]

Rhytm based doom would be cool buttttt i think it kinda is too much of a stretch

[inner isle]

I remember reading that Bobby Prince initially envisioned Doom 1's soundtrack to be more "environmental" and he first did the metal tracks as examples of what he didn't want it to be
then the other guys at id used them anyways

[solar crown]

Non-linear and arena based arent mutually exclusivetbf

Leaving arenas sounds like it could be cheesy too quick

[restive rain]

I believe in Hulshult and Levy. They could totally pull off the absolute violence filled tracks needed for a rhythm based Doom where as you style on demons the tracks get harder and you get stronger

[inner isle]

actually, what if Doom 6's soundtrack straight up has casual tracks like 2

[solar crown]

Nah qua gameplay, music doesnt matter but it would be like Bullets per Minute or Metal: hellsinger which ngl sounds just too much of a stretch for doom

Rhytm based gameplay just... sounds weird loking at doom's roots

[restive rain]

Like a bit of the style meters present in games like DMC and Ultrakill, the more superior your combat prowess, the stronger your damage and damage resistance is. Allowing the health and armor to still be tied into management. Armor being earned from a certain weapon type/mod and health and ammo being tied into gk as you're now should be focusing less on resource management like eternal and just on violence.

[restive rain]

Definitely would be a new thing for doom but it imo would be more of a built on 4's music system to tie that into gameplay.

[solar crown]

Having a higher score means an easier experience sounds kinda counter-intuative

Think about it, if you're doing worse, your scores are lower and your battles would be even harder. While if you're good everything is even more of a breeze, letting you get an even higher score easier

[restive rain]

not so much score as it is engagement. Pushing the whole "push forward combat" to the next level where it directly contributes to you killing more. Nightmare can get crazier than eternal. Cut the damage resist.

[solar crown]

If you focus it purely pn violence why have any form of deep mechanics anyways

[solar crown]

Yeah but if you are good, the game wpuld be even easier. If you're bad, the game would be even harder. That just sounds like it would be less engaging

Cause good players get bored quicker while bad ones can't progress

[restive rain]

True, that would be conundrum

What's your input on balancing it then?

As the focus should be on encouraging learning and leveling your skill without being too oppressive to people that just can't do it

[solar crown]

A score meter? Just make it not effect gameplay keeps the score more consistant too. Metal hellsinger adds instruments for every tier which is badass

I'm not an expert on score meter balancing either

[restive rain]

Might be neat but, it wouldn't be anything new

[solar crown]

Yeah but having it effect gameplay just sounds strange, cause it's a score meter. And if it changes gameplay, it also changes how you get score which is a weird feedback system

[inner isle]

imagine if the Equipment Launcher returns in Doom 6 but it has mods of its own like concept art

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/457315709295394827/1018668775719063623/unknown.png

imagine if it gets a flashlight mod lmao

[restive rain]

That honestly sounds terrible, I hated Doom 3's flashlight even when it was mounted

[inner isle]

that was a joke

anyways yeah I feel like it was kinda weird how Eternal had only two grenade types

then again who the hell used Siphon and Holo grenades in 2016 anyways

[restive rain]

Me lmao

Holo grenades broke the ai. They shouldn't return

[inner isle]

anyways actual equipment launcher mod ideas
cluster grenades (unless regular frag grenades already do that with Crystals or Perks or some shit, I can't remember)

maybe proximity grenades

[restive rain]

(frags already do that on killing a demon)

[inner isle]

yeah

maybe the equipment launcher doesn't need to necessarily fire grenades for mods
what if there's a harpoon mod like the harpoon traps in 64

[autumn mortar]

Score system existed in 2016, albeit it wasn’t well balanced

I will say the score system in Bayo definitely encouraged me to be aggressive

Bayo 2’s score system was trash though

[restive rain]

Which needs to be the goal if they make it into a doom game

Hence better score=better gameplay

[autumn mortar]

I just hope they tell you ranking requirements bayo was terrible with that and it didn’t help combat encounters received individual rankings that were averaged (can’t remember if it rounded up or down though) for the trophy.

Also you needed all perfect rankings in a lvl for the highest tier trophy.

[restive rain]

I feel strongly if they took some advice from Ultrakill on their style of leveling where different attacks gave different amounts of points and tied the music into point gain it would be fun

[sweet scroll]

so Doom with the style elements of Ultrakill and DMC5?

That sounds like it could be fun

Like if the music got more heavy and "full-sounding" as you did better and sounded more intense and dire if you started to fall apart and take some heavy hits, I think the game would feel a lot better

[ashen sluice]

I think the next doom game would be a prequel, to show more of the unholy crusade

that was what my person theory was

[restive rain]

ikr! It would so much fun

[inner isle]

what if it straight up descended into Aubrey Hodges' more "involved" ambient tracks the shittier your playing got

[restive rain]

is he even working on doom anymore?

[inner isle]

I wish he did

[sweet scroll]

or maybe it could be like Payday 2's assault soundtracks where the music starts building up as more & stronger demons arrive and then reaches the peak of it's intensity at the fights most hectic part

And then starts to fade away once you deal with most of the strong demons so you aren't left with extreme heavy metal when there's only some stray fodder left

[sweet scroll]

Game Revo made a pretty good YouTube video breaking down payday's music mechanics if you're interested

[halcyon scarab]

That 3rd and 4th concept image looks like disc grenade and argent energy projectile

[autumn mortar]

More like who used frags in 2016 in the later lvls

[modest idol]

I'm thinking: what if, because doom 2016 was fast paced and gruesome, doom eternal was faster, doom 6 should be more in the lines of doom 64 (environment and gameplay wise). Slow, gruesome, heavily environment based and with little to no metal soundtrack

[pine berry]

🧐

[autumn mortar]

Hopefully it has more than a main theme, that was an issue with 64 and 3 like I get they’re trying to have atmosphere but come on.

Though they said Eternal is a Ferrari and the next game is a monster truck and even though I think it’s a good chance it isn’t Doom it’s still sorta like ya said.

[dense patrol]

yeah, I'm guessing it'll be quake

[dense patrol]

on that note, doom 3's main theme slaps

[elder viper]

I would prefer the title of “Doom Slayer” be for Doomguy and Doomguy alone. It’s not a title others can earn it’s not supposed to be.

[elder viper]

I don’t think we really need to see the Unholy Crusade. Would much rather have that as DLC then the next main game

[ashen sluice]

I mean what else could they do, didn’t doom slayer ||technically die|| <spoiler> in the end of the dlc?

[elder viper]

He didn’t die. He was just sealed back up again

[ashen sluice]

Yea i mean pretty much dead

[wild kelp]

oh i thought he was being put in some sort of coffin

[elder viper]

Still not dead though

[elder viper]

He is. He’s being put into a sarcophagus similar to the one he woke up in at the beginning of 2016

[wild kelp]

ohhhhhhh

[wild kelp]

different ammo types? maybe like a thing that goes on the barrel that converts the shot to an indecincery (however you spell it) shot

sorta like the thing on pyro’s default flamethrower in tf2

[wild kelp]

each kill gives your weapons a tiny bit of “demon essence” and when you get enough you get a weapon point

[ashen sluice]

Alright fair point

[wild kelp]

if an imp’s leg gets shot from a non-one shot kill range, it could limp because of the leg being shot there

[solar crown]

I think the system in eternal works a bit more smoothly then just demonkills

[inner isle]

Yeah, someone else suggested Dragon’s Breath shells, but I feel like that’s a bit too close to Brutal Doom (altho I think Dragon’s Breath shells exist in real life)

[solar crown]

how could they not work though

[royal ore]

So here's what I wish to see in the next DOOM game :

-Sexy & badass female Doom Slayer
-Dead Space-like scary distorted zombies
-Creepy wizard-like cultists with occult powers
-New Alien worlds and species
-Succubus-like female demons
-Demon kings of Hell
-New lore/universe and biblical Satan as final boss

[reef bolt]

Kings of hell /zombies are neat alien worlds also

They rest of the stuff isn't going to happen

Universe maybe

[real adder]

Swear I saw this exact list already today

[reef bolt]

The cycle begins again

[royal ore]

Yeah yeah, but it's been removed with other messages so I repost it for anyone interested

[royal ore]

If they're not afraid to break the rules and make something truly new and unique, they actually could. Possibilities aren't limited, people are

They put space Vikings, gladiators, tentacle monster angels and gundams in DOOM Eternal, who would've thought about it back in 2016?

I'd say, never say never

[reef bolt]

No I mean more so no one else In the world wants some of your main needs you've continued to bring up. They wouldn't make a game like that for one person

[royal ore]

I'm pretty much convinced I am not the only one who would like it

[reef bolt]

That's the problem

I do like some of your points though. I just don't agree with the over sexual content in doom

Just doesn't fit the series at all

[sly atlas]

I agree, I mean I haven't been into Doom as long as some folks in this server, but I don't think that kind of content would fit a fast-paced series like Doom

[elder viper]

This would be an entirley different game my guy, sounds more like one of those indie-retro shooters more then Doom

[elder viper]

The Night Sentinels (Which I assume is what you meant by Viking) are closer to a regular army then vikings and they where talked about in 2016, and the Gladiator is really just a large demon the Sentinels had fight in a arena more then anything.

[elder viper]

Especially the "Sexy & badass female Doom Slayer" that just sounds odd considering what we've seen so far from the series. It's also not about breaking boundaries either as there are plenty female characters some would consider "sexy" it's just a design choice.

[sly atlas]

yeah that would be odd

[solar crown]

Making yhe character specfically to be sexy kinda misognistic too ngl cause they're just an eyepiece then, nothing more

But the next protagonist being female wouldnt at all be weird on it's own

[sly atlas]

I mean...if you take out the "sexy" part, I wouldn't mind if they kept Eternal's skin options and give players a choice...but that could also be misinterpreted badly

[solar crown]

I mean there definitely will be eternal and 2016 suit optipns available ofc

Just like there was in eternal, you could get a classic or 2016 suit

[royal ore]

Don't tell me the Doom Slayer isn't sexy for a man... It just would be common sense to do the same for a female version

[solar crown]

idk i have no idea what sexy is for a man, he's got quite the blocky face

[elder viper]

That isn’t something id cares about though. So if they do have a female protagonist I doubt they’ll make her sexual in anyway

[royal ore]

I can respect that

[elder viper]

The “sexy” part really isn’t needed. Why does that have to be a requirement for a supposed female Doom Slayer? It doesn’t. Having a female protagonist makes sense but she also wouldn’t be the Doom Slayer in the first place

[royal ore]

I don't say it's a requirement, I say it would be cool

[elder viper]

To each their own I guess? Personally I don’t think she would need to be sexy to be cool

[solar crown]

honestly a clash skin would be enough, where she shows her midriff, more then that is super unnecessarily

[wild shell]

Crashes model was hot imo. The midriff did it for me.. though it was the idea more that there was a female marine.i thought it was cool at least

[royal ore]

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not talking about the clothes, of course she would wear full armor like a proper Doom Slayer. I'm talking about the body shape and proportions, it should be athletic and feminine at the same time like Samus Aran, not like a male Doom Slayer with boobs slapped on it

[solar crown]

bit more muscled, and being feminine shouldnt really be a priority tbf

[royal ore]

No but I would personally prefer it that way since the male Doom Slayer is very masculine

So the 2 would be very different and not all the same, and maybe you could choose between male and female when beginning the game

[solar crown]

Meh means they need to work twice has hard for skins

And like, just have 1 protagonist and that's it. Always easier

[solar crown]

They're gonna be chopping demons. Being muscled is just right for the job

Plus gender roles and stereotypes are stupid af

So who the fuck cares about "masculinity" and "femininity"

Make em a demon killer machine

[tender cedar]

how about you go the fuck outside

[elder viper]

https://tenor.com/view/touch-grass-ultrakill-gif-26421201

[royal ore]

I was literally outside when writing this message lmao, I don't get your point

[royal ore]

That's your opinion, not mine

[tender cedar]

this man living in 1956

[royal ore]

Well I care, because I want to and because I can. What's wrong about it?

[royal ore]

Is it your way to say you don't have any arguments? Good for you, I don't care.

[indigo jackal]

You sound like one of those edgelord skeleton memes rn

[royal ore]

I didn't say she shouldn't be muscled, I said she could be muscled and feminine. Mesmerizing how you misunderstand everything that I say

[reef bolt]

Anyways all I want in next doom is a solid plasma again

[indigo jackal]

True

[autumn mortar]

She’d be a female equivalent to the Slayer so it’d make sense.

Though I guess that means she’d also need an oddly wide face like the Slayer.

[royal ore]

It really disgusts me how people are today.
Apparently today you can't use the words "sexy", "masculine" or "feminine" without triggering some anti-sexual or anti-gender people or something... Like, did I say something wrong? Is it a crime to like stereotypes? It's just a game guys, everyone can enjoy it his own way, just let people have some fun.

[royal ore]

Yeah wide face girls can be beautiful too, so it wouldn't bother me. As long as she have a well-shaped body and a "don't mess with me" look in the eyes, I'll take it

I'm not asking for something crazy, just for something cool

[autumn mortar]

I meant his face looks like if you photoshopped someone’s face to be wider than it is

[royal ore]

Yeah it's kinda odd but I like it anyway, they could somehow fix that tho

[royal ore]

I think Doom Eternal had way too much skins, I just gave up to collect them all. They should reduce the skins number but make all of them actually good, or just let people make their own skin with pieces of body/equipment and custom colors

[sly atlas]

well if you look at the current skins and the amount...other than maybe Battlemode stuff...and if they rotate these mega events....one should be able to get every skin give or take

[frozen fox]

I dont rly mind the amount of skins there are, but the custom skins would be rly epic

[elder viper]

YES, the Plasma Gun used to be an absolute beast in the original games. 2016 and Eternal made more of a bubble gun then anything. It’s only useful for softening up low health demons for Glory Kills and it’s mods are decent

At the very least I want Stun Bomb back

I think Stun Bomb is way better then Microwave Beam

[royal ore]

Ultra-Nightmare skins are nearly unachievable for most players. I consider myself a hardcore gamer cause I like the challenge of high difficulty, but I definitely don't have the time or the talent to master the game on the hardest difficulty. It's just insane and drive me only to frustration every time and to hate the game or hate myself for this, and I don't want to feel that way lmao

[sly atlas]

when I said that, it was more in terms of permanently being unable to get them

[royal ore]

Yeah, but that's not the reason I gave up collecting them all, I did because some are way too difficult to get for what it is

I feel like it isn't worth the effort when the difficulty is overkill

[royal ore]

I don't know if you guys know Heroforge, but it could work pretty much the same way

You'd have your Slayer on a menu and you could customize every detail to make it your own

You wouldn't have to unlock skins anymore, but body types and pieces of equipment you could paint the color you want

[solar crown]

Wasnt your point multiple times that demons with muscles are automaticaly male though. Plus your only words where "athletic and sexy" which i'm pretty sure pretty much always means slim af

[solar crown]

I mean id you focus creepily hard on it, people will just call it out

[reef bolt]

Just want it to melt and hell give it a cool down again then I don't care

[meager socket]

A game with a female Doom Marine would conflict with the story of it's predecessors. Also, I can't think of any feminine traits that would increase his characteristics, which are resilience, reaction, force and intimidation only. According to lore, the Slayer was the best of the best, and I hope acknowledging that males are statistically a bit advantaged in these criteria won't be judged as sexist, although I'd assume having female characters only be physically attractive would be. Although hell seems to be a patriarchal society and emperors of it might deem female, like young, old, weak and disabled humans rather useful for sacrifices and recycling of their soul and argent energy, female bosses and female-UAC-employee-holographs still exist in Doom (in 2016 and Eternal atleast, the other ones I haven't played yet). It is also noteworty imo that the Slayer also doesn't have a beard or another male visual-only characteristic, and Demons don't have that aswell. Judging by the lore I interpreted from the movie, only zombies/posessed/Cueballs/blaster soldiers are actually transformed humans with their life sucked out of them, and the others beeing mostly made up of dead matter by the use of soul/argent energy by the rulers of hell, there are reasons to assume that they would only have the desired characteristics, which are commonly perceived as male. Not needing to be capable of reproduction, there isn't a reason to assume the Demons have a gender or even sexual organs, though. The Whiplash does have female chracteristics imo, though.

What would fit better lorewise though, would be a gender transition process, although this applies to all genres, especially if featuring factions with magical (or otherwisely non-scientifically plausible) or highly technological knowledge. I think this isn't a big issue though, as games like Zelda and ROTTR which only feature female protagonists/playable characters exist aswell. The existence of limited models would also be more apparent with having two/demon instead of one, and many would require both more ressources to produce and more RAM to execute.

[solar crown]

game with a female Doom Marine would conflict with the story of it's predecessors.
how
also, the first spider mastermind (and the spider mastermind dark lord in 2016) both where female faik

[reef bolt]

I think the point was having a sexy slayer wouldn't make sense. No one said anything about just a female slayer. Just wanted to point that out

[solar crown]

also zombies lacking beards is because they just made a few models for them lol, and for the non soldiers one they are kinda bald soooo

[reef bolt]

But again that would be like halo changing up its main character. Wouldn't count on it

( ignores halo 5)

[solar crown]

i mean rn ID has 2 choices:
"lmfao doomguy just walks out of his crib again cause y not"
and "someone has to get the slayer out"
guess which one isnt just d2016 part 2

there already is a female doom marine inlore... kinda. Clash from quake trained doomguy

[reef bolt]

It really is strange they wrote themselves into a corner in a dlc. I don't think I've seen that before

[solar crown]

welcome to bad writing decisions and not writing stuff beforehand

they kinda just wrote everything as they went along, which is terrible story wise

and they jumped off too high of a story cliff in tag2

[glacial dove]

Having a female slayer doesn’t affect anything. It’s when you Try to use it as eye candy or other crap that makes it shitty

[solar crown]

just because they're female doesnt mean they necessarily must be eye candy

[glacial dove]

Precisely

Yet a few users above would seem to disagree

[solar crown]

fair....

[glacial dove]

Touching grass is hard nowadays it seems

[solar crown]

honestly i would just like to bring Clash into mainstream doom, would be quite cool
just change her suit a tiny bit lol

cause uhhhh i dont think having her midriff exposed is a great idea

[glacial dove]

Agreed

[solar crown]

i mean, it would be a pretty cool skin ofc

[reef bolt]

I wonder if anything like halo wars would work with doom

[elder viper]

Having a female protagonist wouldn’t conflict at all. Also Doomguy when he was just a marine was never the best of the best until after he Doom II when his actions where recognized by humanity. Also there’s Clash, a female marine who trained Doomguy when he was still an ordinary marine. Having a female protagonist wouldn’t conflict with anything

[solar crown]

i'm guessing you meant to say "wouldnt"

[elder viper]

Oh fuck yeah meant to say wouldn’t

[solar crown]

also considering how high tech newdoom's marines look like, i imagine physical strength would be a bit less of a factor considering they probs have some sorts of implants

[dim nimbus]

what mods would you like to see in the next doom game for the ssg?
like i'ld love something similar to the 3 shots mod of 2016, just with the ssg

[elder viper]

Idk what they could do to make the SSG is still overpowered yet balanced. I think the Meathook is a perfectly good addition and should really stay for the next game

2016’s SSG was really good though but did make the game pretty easy once fully mastered (and even more broken when paired with a fully mastered Siege Mode Gauss Cannon)

[royal ore]

I mean too much muscle and masculine bodyshape looks masculine, but a feminine bodyshape can have muscle too without "blending" with the opposite gender. Why is it so hard to understand to you? And yes, an athletic feminine body is slim, but not too slim and not too bulky either, there is a balance to it

[royal ore]

You decided it's creepy to focus on that, when actually it's not. There's nothing wrong about it, so there is nothing to call out

[solar crown]

i mean, focusing on "make them sexy" definitely is

[royal ore]

So you're saying sexuality is a wrong thing, even in an adult-only videogame?

Why no you hate it so much?

[solar crown]

Sexyness=/=sexuality

I'm just saying focusing on it as a main characteristic for a character whose main characteristics are being able to beat something to a bloody pulp, where the sexyness doesnt do anything for the character, is just a tad off

[royal ore]

There is no sexyness without sexuality, and no sexuality without sexyness. So I don't understand your point here

[solar crown]

I wouldnt really call doomguy sexy after all either, but just strong military looking dude

[royal ore]

Sexyness is purely aesthetic, and I think one of DOOM's goal is also to be visually appealing and interesting.
You don't call Doomguy sexy, but I think he definitely is. You can totally make a strong military looking girl and make her very attractive, without overkilling it

Attractive main characters are important cause people want to identify as them when they're playing the game, and DOOM is all about feeling like the coolest and baddest human on hearth, so it totally makes sense to make female Slayer attractive

[solar crown]

Not bad looking sounds like it would do the same thing

[royal ore]

Uhhhh who is Clash?

[solar crown]

From one of the quake games

Arenas and uhh, i wanna say quake 3? Idk

[royal ore]

Oh okay, well that's pretty much what I was talking about when I said "sexy", nothing more 😂
I think Crash wound be a very cool playable character to bring back in DOOM. Maybe a bit too skinny imo, and the exposed midriff isn't necessary at all.
Just don't make her look like a man or androgynous, that's all I'm asking for.

[solar crown]

Yeah, she would definitely get a modern touch up
A skin for the classic clash skin would likely be something anyways

[inner isle]

*Crash

[royal ore]

Oh thanks, that's why I had a hard time finding it on Google

[solar crown]

I mixed her up with another character from another game rip

[royal ore]

Of course, just like the classic Doomguy skin who has an exposed 6-pack. Nothing wrong about it, it looks a bit silly but that's okay, it's part of the fun, not everyone has to like it

[autumn mortar]

The slayer in Eternal is hella buff even without the armor.

Though it being crash definitely makes the most sense if they were to do this for whatever reason

Though I don’t think there should be multiple slayers anyways

[reef bolt]

It's only like that because his shirt is ripped. Funny eternal skin doesn't explain that properly

[inner isle]

nah, you can pretty clearly see the torn edges in the Eternal skin
it's his design in Q3A where it's just a straight up ab window

[reef bolt]

It's not really clear which is why I said properly. Other wise people like above would know that

I guess it also depends on the res for some. I can see it kinda well. I can see why people think it's just armor though

[royal ore]

I think it's intentionally ripped here to show his 6-pack, if you know what I mean

[reef bolt]

Yeah but that's nothing to do with sexual since doom is based around corny 80s 90s action

[royal ore]

Tell that to girls who love 6-packs and muscular men... Corny 80s 90s action was meant to show cool and proud masculine men without shame, what people consider as the peak of masculinity, so men could easily identify as them and women could easily be attracted to them. That's why it was so popular back then, and it's all there is about it

[reef bolt]

It was just about being cool and bad ass. Keep it in your pants

I didn't have a poster of Rambo in my room for a turn on you clown

In all my life I don't remember the same in any girls room ever

[royal ore]

I didn't say that

[reef bolt]

Okay Freud

[royal ore]

All I say is badass dudes are cool to identify as for men, and are attractive to women
Nothing wrong about that

[autumn mortar]

I mean by that logic alot of those old action movies had the female stereotype your saying shouldn’t be there in this theoretical female character

[reef bolt]

You're

and it's not logic. It's what the devs said

[autumn mortar]

?

[reef bolt]

Doom was based on that

[autumn mortar]

I know I was talking about the female sterotype you were saying shouldn’t be there

[reef bolt]

And I have no idea what you're saying about females shouldn't be there. Never said that

Might be confused

[autumn mortar]

No I meant the sterotype

[reef bolt]

The stereotype of women I not once mentioned and you pulled out of thin air? Sure

[autumn mortar]

Sterotype was the wrong word but unless I’m missing something he was just saying a female slayer should be buff and a similar level of sexy as the male equivalent.

[reef bolt]

Oh you mean the past convo. Yeah I never said there shouldn't be a female slayer. Just that focusing on boobs and ass like he kept mentioning wouldn't exactly fit well.

[autumn mortar]

That’s true but did you see the cake on the classic skin lol (this is a JOKE obviously the character design of a female character shouldn’t just be how can we make it more attractive or marketable it supposed to be a character not a product this is true for any character)

[reef bolt]

With the abs ? Yeah. But there's a big difference between power fantasy over the top masculinity /80s 90s action and over sexualizing women. In fact there's a class on it.

[autumn mortar]

I never said otherwise (despite the disingenuous jumping to conclusions) though it was definitely a thing in those movies (which hasn’t aged the best).

Ultimately it the devs choice regardless of how they choose to design this character if they were to ever design it.

It’d likely be crash though which is a confusing name cause it makes me think of the former Playstation mascot.

[autumn mortar]

You know what their next game could use polish and stability.
In all seriousness co-op could be cool, it could be like the older Halo games where they were hard enough on the higher difficulties especially with skulls to be a challenge even with co-op yet were still fair (ignoring those op Jackal snipers especially in 2).

[solar crown]

Yeah and they could have stimulated extra muscle growth via their high tech shit

[solar crown]

Doomguy just magically getting out of his coffing again like in 2016 would be lame as fuck, a new protagonist would be much better, at the least solely tp get him out the coffin

[royal ore]

Yeah, get out the Slayer out the coffin would be a cool storyline for the main campaign.
Maybe centuries or millenias after Eternal, Hell is back again or another hell-like menace to threat the universe, so someone has to travel to Hell and wake up the Slayer to save humanity.
Maybe Crash had her own story of battle against Hell and defended another base during DOOM Eternal, maybe she was captured by demons or another entity that made her super strong to save the Earth in case the Slayer didn't succeed.
Most of the game would be entirely playing Crash, with brand new combat gameplay but less power. Once you've unlocked the Slayer, playing him would be a litteral god killer machine with all his abilities from Eternal, but you'll need to alternate between the 2 characters to do different things on the last missions.
And once you've completed the game, you could redo all the campaign with the Slayer

[elder viper]

Would make TAG 2 feel like so anti climactic if Hell just got unsealed and went rampant again. I would rather they just retcon TAG 2 if they don’t though I do have an idea for a future game following the Slayers release from his sarcophagus

Since other universes where established perhaps we go to those other universes. There is 1 Hell that exists across every single universe. Perhaps Hell gets unsealed and starts invading multiple different universes and Doomguy hops from world to world to stop them. We could end up in a vastly changes Urdak for a final face off against Samur as well or just something to wrap up his character arc

Borderlands 3 style except the story is competent at the least.

Cause it would be pretty boring to just go to Earth and Hell and back again and maybe a pit stop at Mars for some reason

[solar crown]

Hopefully there are more unique areas of hell at the least, like blood swamps

[elder viper]

I just hope we don’t get a prequel. Still boggles my mind the people that occasionally pop in here to say that they want to play some event that is told to us through the Codex

Like do you really wanna play through The Unholy Crusades or Doomguy’s time with the Night Sentinels?

[solar crown]

Most of the prequel stuff would be better explained in a comic ngl

[autumn mortar]

You play a horror game as the intern then you free the slayer and it becomes a different game entirely.
That idea was a joke what actually happens is it’s a quake reboot and you see the slayer coffin chillin in a corner as an Easter egg.

Since tag 2 is the sorta mid that says maybe the devs need a break from this series.

[blazing panther]

a doom comic would slap so hard

[inner isle]

How about don’t unseal the Slayer at all because TAG2 was supposed to be the ending of his story

[solar crown]

either that or someone needs to get him out

[inner isle]

No

Don’t fucking unseal him
That would render the ending of TAG2 moot

[solar crown]

it wont?

someone would need to do the blood swamps trail, which would likely change, just to get him out

[inner isle]

I thought it was supposed to end the Slayer’s whole arc from 2016 to Eternal

[solar crown]

as if the devs know what they are doing with the story

[inner isle]

Doom 6 shouldn’t be a Slayer story
It shouldn’t even fakeout with something else at first before transitioning into Slayer bullshit

The Slayer’s time is over

Show the newbies what it’s like to not be a God Sue in the world of modern Doom

[solar crown]

freeing the slayer would be the last thing you do, you wont play as them

[meager socket]

DOOM 6: Survival >>> you play as a civilian. your goal is to survive as long as possible. you need ~20 Shots to kill a Zombie, meanwhile it can kill you in 3 punches. A punch of you does 20% the damage a rifle round/slugshot does. No Dash or Double-jump. limited stamina. Other weapons available: frag grenade and chainsaw (Other weapons are too heavy and/or have too much recoil.) No glory-kills; perma-death. Health and ammo must be scavenged. Also no runes and faster Demons to simulate the slower reaction time of unenhanced humans. Horror soundtrack

[inner isle]

I was imagining something more like a spiritual successor to 3 but ok

anyways imagine if Doom 6 has a BFG Cyberdemon/Tyrant like the Doom Bible possibly vaguely implied

[inner isle]

small request but I'd like it if Doom 6's trailer had that "seamless transition" thing for the gameplay footage that the E3 2015 and campaign trailers for 2016 had
Eternal didn't really have it in its trailers but there was a short movement-focused clip at E3 2019 that had it

[elder viper]

QUAKE REBOOT

For a hypothetical Quake 1 reboot I’ve said before that I would like it to stay as far away from Doom as possible. But I feel like if it was made they would try to intertwine it with Doom

In that case how about this? Ranger (or whoever they would make the protagonist) fighting his way around Shub Nub’s world could possibly find a monument or some sort of building linked to Hell. In there he could maybe find a way to unseal the Slayer. He does this but we never see the Slayer again till the next Doom game. To spice up enemies for the next Doom we could have maybe some Lovecraft-esc designs sort of fused with the demons.

Idk id really drove themselves into a corner with TAG 2

[solar crown]

yeah they did

[reef bolt]

It most likely will be

[weary sigil]

When mighty Doom coming out?

[inner isle]

I don’t think it ever will which is sad

[elder viper]

Uhhhh, sure?
@steep halo said there should be a game called “Origins of Doom” that explains what happened between Doom 64 and DOOM 2016

[weary sigil]

damn

I tried using a VPN but it said the testing thing is full

[elder viper]

again I think that they should move forward with Doom instead of going backwards

Yeah this is a better idea

Or a comic book

[weary sigil]

Doom lore is all fake

it was for daisy

It's a fricking joke

fair enough

[solar crown]

doom1:

[elder viper]

I would take either myself

[inner isle]

a Doom-themed clone of Archero that popped up on the New Zealand and Canadian Google Play stores in either late 2020 or early 2021 and never got a wider release beyond that

I feel like the unfair perception of it as "cheap mobile trash" by the greater community killed it before it could even properly launch

[reef bolt]

Still going to give it a go

[blazing panther]

i've always imagined a doom mobile game where its a dungeon crawler top down twinstick shooter like the binding of isaac

wouldnt that be neat

[inner isle]

a Doom version of Smash TV or Total Carnage

[blazing panther]

yeah

[autumn mortar]

That sounds like Resident Sleeper

[autumn mortar]

Imagine if in the next game you could only carry one weapon but each weapon had the amount of depth as the average weapon in Monster Hunter.

Or better yet you have the best of both worlds by keeping the depth while carrying all the weapons.

[reef bolt]

Reduce the need for swapping so often

[inner isle]

make the HAR/Heavy Cannon useful outside of mods

[autumn mortar]

Make the plasma rifle and har primary fires feel more different from each other.

[feral plover]

God Sue
???

[solar crown]

mary sue but godly

[reef bolt]

Doesn't really make sense since a sue never has any emotional investment trauma or struggle having everything thrown on to them automatically good at everything. Not doom guy at all. He's struggled suffered and had to work hard to get to the point of power he is now

Even then He's not a God or immortal.

[elder viper]

Lost his family, comrades (twice), pet, left his entire universe behind

Bro’s been through the ringer

[reef bolt]

Lived in hell for a few eons

[ebon bolt]

Who’s daisy lol

[autumn mortar]

[ebon bolt]

I was joking but cool to see more of her

[feral plover]

i want a daisy the rabbit game lol

[covert arch]

I want a game group based off the books, cause let's face it, Flynn and Arlene... shoved a rocket up a Steam Demon's you know where... And I need that as a real time event cutscene... XD

[inner isle]

The novels are worse than the comic and movies combined IMO

[inner isle]

it'd be cool if in Doom 6 you could do midair flips like in Dusk

[reef bolt]

You'll be less of a Ferrari in this next game so I doubt it

[inner isle]

what if Doom 6 abandons the regular Combat Shotgun completely and has the SSG take its place
and like the SSG has a single fire mode like Blood's sawed off

hell, what if there's a huge-ass timeskip between TAG2 and Doom 6

like Doom 6 takes place in the 2500's or something

[solar crown]

Considering there is a multiverse, time doesnt matter

[nimble loom]

The easiest way to solve any plot problem is the multiverse

[inner isle]

Doom 6 should have weird cosmic horror shit

like weird cosmic horror shit that looks like it was done on drugs

[feral plover]

Honestly I'd be down for a Doom 1993 remaster

[solar crown]

classic doom is still perfectly fine though

[inner isle]

did the 2019 port not count?

[reef bolt]

Yeah classic doom does not need a remaster lol.

[reef bolt]

Some epic elder gods

[inner isle]

and like I said, the 2019 rerelease pretty much counts as one

it has widescreen, a higher resolution, an uncapped frame rate, addon support

[reef bolt]

It has widescreen which actually messed up the resolution. Which hasn't been fixed yet. I believe nerve decided it looks more like original this way

[inner isle]

I thought they gave it proper sprite stretching in the September 2020 update

[autumn mortar]

Time in Lordran is convuluted

[woven siren]

and we have unofficial remaster-y stuff like rtx doom

[feral plover]

I mean like a complete 3d remaster that looks modern, not like the quake remaster

[reef bolt]

There's mods like that they all look like ass. Remastering classic destroys one of the best things about it and that's its timeless aesthetic and vibe

[woven siren]

classic doom is so damn gorgeous
i have zero idea why you'd want to remaster it outside of minor qol stuff like the sprite fixing project or maybe per kristian's smooth doom weapons

the levels would all look ass in full modern game engine remasters because they weren't designed for that

you could remaster a more detailed wad and have it look good but not the original games

[elder viper]

I think cosmic space horror should be saved for a Quake 1 reboot instead of Doom 6

[elder viper]

Oh god no. All attempts to do this have turned out horribly. Do I need to remind you about that Doom II in Unreal 4 project or the Doomsday source port?

[rapid trout]

I think it would be cool if we got a new doom game that’s aesthetically designed to look like classic doom but with updated mechanics, so not a remaster or a remake but a completely different game set in the time when the invasion on Phobos begun

That would seem like a good compromise to me

[reef bolt]

Eternals aesthetic was based around classic doom

[woven siren]

^

even if the cartoony aspects make the game feel less serious for some people it still looks pleasing visually
i also quite like the classic skins in doom eternal

and i love the plasma rifle model to bits

[elder viper]

Or we just continue with the story instead of going backwards. Even though TAG2 wrote the story into a corner since Doomguy got sealed up and everything I feel like people here mainly forget that TAG2 also gave us some new material that will most likely be used for the next game

Samur still be alive and the beings that made Davoth are the biggest ones

[inner isle]

Keep Eternal’s sound design for Doom 6
Please

What if 2016-style Barons return but they throw red fireballs like in 64

[elder viper]

I like this idea, the Fireborne Barons are cool but 2016’s versions I just like better

[inner isle]

this is probably conspiracy theorist-levels of stretching but what if Hugo's Ferrari/monster truck analogy is a hint to Doom 6 possibly being inspired by 64
because 64 ran at a slower ticrate than 1 and 2

[elder viper]

yeah that’s a total stretch

[autumn mortar]

I’ve seen too many remasters ruin stuff from the og game, Doom 3 literally had this happen with the awful bfg edition.

[neat yew]

I see a set up of the mutant chuthulu monster Maykrs vs the wraiths, helping out doom slayer.

[inner isle]

could we get like an actual story-based Doom game in the future (to a greater extent than 3 maybe)
not necessarily mainline, could be a spinoff
but story-based nonetheless like Eternal's trailers made it out to be

I really want an Eternal spinoff focusing on the ARC

[last fox]

The next doom should add the CLASSIC doom64 unmaker. Not the unmaykr from eternal

[quiet hull]

A good stoyline spin-off could be about a common Marine located in Earth where everything is fine but then suddenly the Demon Invasion of Earth begins and you have to fight your way through demons , last map you have to fight countless waves of demons and you ended up dying , but you sent a last message alerting the DoomSlayer about hell invading earth. Then it is when we see the beginning of Doom Eternal!

[reef bolt]

Odst doom would be epic

[late cloak]

Objective: Kill

[quiet hull]

Indeed, it could be awesome, i read they were going to go with that path when they were working on Doom 2016 but at the end they scrapped almost everything

[reef bolt]

Oh yeah that was the original idea

[autumn mortar]

There was a good reason why that early build was scrapped

[quiet hull]

Yeah , it wasn't doom enough, it was like a call of duty clone

[robust ice]

Feet first into... hell!

[nimble loom]

They are called helljumpers after all

[elder viper]

About the storyline for Doom 6, I see a lot of people here either say they want a prequel or it be about some totally unrelated stuff random shit. Realistically seeing how they’ve been handling Doom’s story so far I’m gonna say most likely the story of Doom 6 (assuming it follows the events of TAG2) will have 2 options

1. We will have a new protagonist that journeys to free Doomguy from the sarcophagus
2. Doomguy just breaks out cause the plot demands it and will probably hunt down Samur meaning we will most likely be heading back to Urdak sometime.

[mint plinth]

I want it all, esp level building and mod support

[autumn mortar]

I’m starting to think they want Call of Doom or Resident Sleeper lol

[elder viper]

I love reading peoples ideas for future games but imo a lot of recent ideas just sound either boring or just bad

Don’t know why so many people WANT to have a game where you play as an ARC soldier during the Hell invasion or as Doomguy during his time as a Night Sentinel

Or a remake of the old games

[inner isle]

For one thing Eternal did a really shit job at focusing on the ARC

As if id didn’t know what “show, don’t tell” meant

Also I never said my ARC game idea would be mainline
More like a spinoff

In my mind “Doom 3 but better”

Improving what 3 did right
Fixing what it did wrong (no, being horror-focused doesn’t count as “wrong” in this case)

Basically similar slower gameplay but with more varied environments

And actual good weapon balancing

[autumn mortar]

It didn’t focus on the ARC cause it was never the focus.

Though a game like Doom 3 (og not the dogshit bfg version) could be cool. The non hell environments suck in that game (I also think most of 2016’s environments suck with a few exceptions like the first hell level).

I can’t imagine the horror being done well though that isn’t exactly Id’s strongsuit. Also the monstertruck Ferrari comparison makes me think their next game will be slower even if it isn’t Doom.

Also the bad weapon balancing, your talking about Doom 3 right?

[elder viper]

I wanna make it clear my original message wasn’t meant to target one specific person but rather this channel as a whole and a lot of the smaller suggestions I see get repeated over and over by different users

[autumn mortar]

Same here, though I still can’t see Id making a good horror game. That being said the Serious Sam devs made The Talos Principle, so Id can definitely prove me wrong.

[elder viper]

If id did choose to make a new horror game they would probably learn from what Doom 3 did wrong

Or just learn from Doom 3 in general

[feral plover]

Doom 3's weapon balancing is the best in the series though.

[autumn mortar]

I never played it that’s why I asked. Cause Eternal also has decent weapon balancing

[feral plover]

I would love another Doom 3 styled Doom game personally.

[autumn mortar]

So no visually dull UAC levels (a mistake 2016 also made), jokes aside less cheesy jumpscares like Gert (jumpscares in general really), an actual soundtrack outside of the main theme, no op bfg or soulcube or any superweapons really, no bfg edition styled nerfs or general downgrades, and so on.

[elder viper]

Also remove Imps crouched behind doors it’s annoying

[reef bolt]

Mid jump soul cube

[autumn mortar]

That was fixed in 2016 by reversing the ai used to get enemies in Rage to take cover.
Also beyond that it seems that’s primarily an issue of bad level design like the chalice dungeons in Bloodborne.

[inner isle]

I meant specifically the shotgun
And if you mod the shotgun to have better spread it just gets too OP

[feral plover]

Shotgun's fine in Doom 3.

It's specifically meant to be an up-close weapon because the other weapons are so effective at mid-long range.

[modern ocean]

has our boy Hugo appeared in anything at all since the old Doom Eternal playthrough vids? loved those. Totally off the grid working on new game since?

[reef bolt]

Probably doing some directing

[elder viper]

I think he was at QuakeCon idk I didn’t watch it

[elder viper]

Probably preparing more lore plot holes so the next Doom game lore conflicts with Eternals

[reef bolt]

Probably a good thing

[shy sparrow]

Idea: After you kill the dark lord you are put back in the Cursed Sarcophagus. After 1000 years, you wake up only to find yourself back at the original E1M1 (With some tweaks of course). Then you must go through all 4 original episodes of Ultimate doom, Deal with hell on earth, TNT Evilution, and Plutonia before you are sent to Doom 64. Then when you defeat the Motherdemon, you are sent to Sentinel Prime. There you fight as the Doomslayer (Or in this case the Sentinel Slayer) during his time in Sentinel prime. You go through pretty much everything the codex said then when you are put back into the cursed sarcophagus, you hear a portal opening up behind you. After that you are shown the events of Doom 2016, Eternal, and the Ancient Gods. Once you see the scene at the start of the game (The Ancient Gods Sarcophagus scene) you will hear King Novik's speech at the end of Eternal.

[elder viper]

This is just a really elaborate way to say “I wanna play through Doomguy’s time as a sentinel”

[shy sparrow]

Correct!

[elder viper]

Also Classic Dooms maps aren’t really meant to or should be remade for the modern era. Like how would levels like E4M2 be translated? And don’t get me started on Plutonias bullshit

[shy sparrow]

"Ultra Nightmare"

[teal parcel]

Remake of all classic games

[elder viper]

they don’t need a remake they hold up just fine on their own still

Also every attempt to remake aspects of the old games has gone horribly

The Doom II in Unreal 4 looks like ass same with the Doomsday source port and every single “realistic” “3D” “modern” texture mods suck to

[reef bolt]

A remake of classic games is stupid and dumb. Why don't you go buy a 1976 firebird and put some spinning rims on it while you're at it

[nimble loom]

Doom 3 was a remake of Doom

[elder viper]

It does so much different though

[reef bolt]

It's definitely not even close to a remake

A retelling sure with a vision Carmack had testing the new engine

That's it

[elder viper]

Is Carmack still working for Oculus?

[reef bolt]

Besides they don't mean a remake they mean a remaster

[elder viper]

Sorry Meta

[reef bolt]

I believe so

[elder viper]

The name change is awful

[shy swallow]

Yep it is

As is their so called meta verse

[elder viper]

The original Oculus logo was simple and unique and now Metas is boring and basic

And I gotta stare it every time I use my Quest 2

[nimble loom]

Bright blue is very appealing to look at when its an inch away from your eye

[shy swallow]

About as appealing as being blind

[nimble loom]

doesnt at all burn that image into your eye for several minutes

the oculus logo also caused that but this is way worse

[elder viper]

Not in my experience

[nimble loom]

stare at a bright image for any extended period of time

itll happen eventually

[elder viper]

Well yeah but the logo loading time is pretty short

[nimble loom]

Ive had that logo burned into my eye several times

to the point where I just take off my headset until it finishes loading

[forest bison]

Doom eternal horde mode it’s just waves of demons, I think it would be fun

[elder viper]

If it was closer to Protehs mod that would be cool

[feral plover]

Vr chat but cringe**

[autumn mortar]

That but with more than one arena.
Also better ost variety would help. Like I wish the official horde cycled through base game, tag 2, and tag 1 themes for each of their respective sections. Especially since some themes like the Immora theme feel super underutilized.

[elder viper]

Having entirely new arenas would have been cool for the official horde mode as well. A Horde Mode similar to BO3 zombies could be cool as well. You could start with the combat shotgun and more demons you kill would allow you to unlock either a new gun or weapon mods

[autumn mortar]

That wasn’t going to happen with the short dev time of this mode

[elder viper]

Yeah, with the time they had though the result is still pretty fun, good way to end the games last major update

[reef bolt]

Poor invasion

[autumn mortar]

It would’ve been dead a week after release at best

[elder viper]

If we see demons like the Spirit, Cursed Prowler, or Screecher in a future game would you want them to change them visually?

[autumn mortar]

It’s be nice if the latter two weren’t reskins

[elder viper]

Yeah I agree, I know modeling probably takes a while and id didn't have a ton of time, but for the Cursed Prowler they could have made it just a bit larger or maybe add some extra spikes on it or something

Not even a good reskin either

[reef bolt]

It depends if it functioned like battlemode. Then yes. If it just let you jump body to body to any demon rapidly keeping demons like single player then it could have had potential

[autumn mortar]

Possibly if it came around the game’s release rather than near its end.

[mint plinth]

I am still butt hurt about invasions, oh well. So much replay fun in the campaign if that was a thing

the horde mode we got had potential but they didn't randomize and should of used the BM maps

[glacial dove]

Not using BM maps feels like such a waste

They look so cool and get stuck in Bm

[solid gazelle]

Right?? What a waste.

[regal vapor]

Doom vr? Could be cool, if made correctly

[inner isle]

they tried that back in 2017

[nimble loom]

Then they tried again in 2021

[glacial dove]

Doom 3 vr

For the ps4/5

I heard it was super super good

[nimble loom]

Its perfect in vr

[final path]

is ur pfp by fleeway

if u want

btw, Doom 3 is in vr, but I think u know already

I might get it bc I have a vive,

if Quake got a VR treatment, maybe as a one off thing, I think I'd like that

[feral plover]

whens the next doom game coming out i just gained an addiction to doom

[elder viper]

Doom 3 VR works great and the Classic games from the footage I’ve seen don’t look bad either. 2016 and Eternal however just shouldn’t be

[elder viper]

How about we get an actual regular new Quake game (QUAKE 1 REBOOT) first?

[final path]

I think they're focussing on it as the rerelease, given they keep adding content to the multiplayer and campaign add-ons

personally, I don't mind that approach.

[elder viper]

Idk, until official information comes out saying otherwise I am dead set on thinking that new game id is working on is a Quake 1 reboot rather then DOOM Eternals follow-up

[reef bolt]

I had doom 3 Vr. Insane how it holds up. Best vr I've done in a while

[elder viper]

I’ve recently been putting more money into my Quest 2 and getting more games for it. FPS VR is extremely fun but I still don’t think (with the way VR is now) get the true Doom VR experience that pretty much everyone wanted DOOM VFR to be

For example, glory killing in VR was something pretty much everyone wanted to do instead of the unsatisfying telefrag thing we got

For the people who keep saying Doom in VR would be good if id really for some reason decides to take another shot at it they should learn a thing or 2 from games like GORN or Blade and Sorcery

[final path]

personally, a new quake would be amazing, id love that

[nimble loom]

Quake 1 actually had an ending, quake 4 didnt

[elder viper]

The Strogg are boring imo and the world of Quake 1 should be fleshed out more

[exotic cradle]

I feel like it doesn't have an end, Shib En'Grath (I'm not spelling the real name) may be dead, but her thousand young still follow Ranger across dimensions as he tries to return home

[elder viper]

With how little is known about the Quake 1 universe it would also give id a ton more creative freedom to build the world and lore for a Quake 1 reboot

[exotic cradle]

When I dabble in champions, there is some backdrop of lore for the game, but Champions is non-canon

but there's a lot of borrowing from the previous games in terms of cosmetics, especially with Ranger. One of the official addons is called "Spoils of Armagon"

[elder viper]

Well parts of QC's lore could be canon. I know the lore for Doomguy is canon as it it doesn't conflict with DOOM 2016, the lore for Ranger being lost hopping dimensions and just finding himself in QC is entirely possible

BJ however ehhhhhh

Only Wolfenstein game with that version of BJ that even mentions other universes is Youngblood but I don't think they hop universes in that one

BJ only mentions the existence of other worlds to his daughters I think?

[reef bolt]

He mentions seeing a world where they are happy and normal which is the Germany losses in 1945 timeline

[elder viper]

yeah there. Tbh I was really hoping for a small nod to Doom there, just casually throw it in there as a reference to the old family tree

missed opportunity imo

[reef bolt]

There is one. They mention Mars being abandoned because of an experiment gone wrong and demons invading..also the reason why they didn't colonize Mars but Venus instead. This is just a neat Easter egg though

[elder viper]

Guess I missed that. I'm glad MachineGames made their version of Wolfenstein take place in a timeline separate from Wolf3D's as to not interfere with the old "lore" and to keep Wolfenstein away from Doom yet still close in a way

[reef bolt]

Plus is scratches that itch of what would have happened if they had won.

[feral plover]

will there be any new updates to eternal or are they working on a new game?

[autumn mortar]

I think there was a Switch update (since that version tends to lag behind) but outside of event-reruns it’s largely dead content wise.

[elder viper]

version 6.66 was the last major update

I wonder if id is purposely trying to get Doom games to end at version 6.66

like 2016 was the same way

[feral plover]

It’s a humorous gimmick

Maybe next DOOM game we will play as that "Betrayer" guy?

[carmine sage]

Honestly I can't imagine playing anyone other than the Doom Slayer in a Doom game

[solar crown]

Skill issue

[nimble loom]

Final doom

Doom VFR

doom RPG 1 and 2

Doom 3 resurrection of evil

[carmine sage]

alright I did'nt know that😅

[feral plover]

You don't play as the Doom Slayer in the OGs either.

Like, you play as the same guy, but Doomguy in the OGs doesn't have, like, Slayer-powers and shit.

Mechanically he is the same as any other 90s FPS protagonist, runs fast, has infinite space in his pockets for weapons.

[autumn mortar]

Same difference

[feral plover]

So I just thought of something

Upgraded glory kills where after dismembering a demon, you can use the parts to hurl at other demons to stagger them.

[carmine sage]

what!? So you would rip one Imps head of and throw it at another one?

[elder viper]

I’m imagining GMod or Half-Life 2 where you can pick up certain objects and throw them at stuff

[feral plover]

Yeah exactly

[carmine sage]

Hmm... I could only imagine it being a single animation where there is a QuickTime Event in between where you choose how to kill the second staggered Enemy

I mean it would be really cool to have glory kills that seamlessly flow into one another...

Additionally, we need to have guns incorporated in glory kills (but they shouldn't consume ammo of course)

[elder viper]

There where some cut glory kills from 2016 that incorporated the combat shotgun

[carmine sage]

I know, they were all quite long. Makes me wonder if maybe they were unique glory kills for when you first encounter a new demon, hence they were longer to better showcase the demon. Would definitely be a cool idea...

[reef bolt]

Tnt you just play as a random marine

[crude shale]

Will there be anything about the next doom (if there is one) in this channel?

[kind heart]

Following

[oak basin]

[crude shale]

Following?

[kind heart]

Following because I also want to see the answer.

[crude shale]

Oh alright.

[crude shale]

So we are both extremely curious to see IF it is even is a DooM game, right?

[kind heart]

unfortunately yes 😦

[elder viper]

I think it’ll be a new Quake game instead of Doom but guess we’ll see

[crude shale]

I find it weird that that voice said, "Your fight is eternal" and doom slayer just falls after beating the dark lord, I would love to see a fight between Doom slayer and Satan/Lucifer

[solar crown]

Davoth is satan

[feral plover]

Well technically speaking he is just god not satan

[solar crown]

he is both

[feral plover]

Satan was an angel created by god which tried to rebel, davoth is god himself which became corrupted

[solar crown]

he is still the parallel of being cast "down into hell" and ruler of hell

[elder viper]

Satan is depicted as the ruler of Hell and VEGA calls Davoth the ruler of the demons at the end of TAG1 what are you on about?

[feral plover]

Someone skipped the lore huh

He created the whole dimension himself, and created heaven too. Hell didnt use to be as that but more like heaven until everyone became corrupted due to davoth's experiments to reach immortality for his people. He is evil but still remains god, everything is, directly or indirectly, his creation

[elder viper]

How? I know Hell wasn’t always Hell doesn’t change the fact he’s still the ruler of Hell

[feral plover]

Hell was the first dimension, it wasnt something evil. His intents were actually good but he was betrayed. In the fight with the slayer when he was knocked down he could have killed the slayer with the crucible as he took off his helmet but he accepted defeat, not exactly something someone evil would do

[elder viper]

Yeah I know all this already. Davoth started out not as evil, yes but he became corrupted later on and become the Doom universes equivalent to Satan

Much like in the actual bible with Lucifer falling from Heaven Davoth fell similarly

Even if it wasn’t from “Heaven”

They both got corrupted

[feral plover]

Satan wasnt a god but rather an angel created by god, it would be like VEGA if he become evil. Plus, Satan's hell was created as place for sinners to go to when they died, way different from doom's hell

[elder viper]

Again the parallels are there even if not 1 to 1

[feral plover]

Still they are different

[elder viper]

Not really

Both started out good then got corrupted became evil

Davoth is Doom’s equivalent to Satan

[reef bolt]

Dooms closer to lord of the rings than biblical texts at this point. Which would make him morgoth

[solar crown]

And someone here doesnt get changing characters slightly

Like if you really wanna make it 100% clear, them both davoth and samur are kinda lucifer

However, here, lucifer succeeded in overthrowing god

And made god himself satan

Creating this world which has the charavter tropes twisted ever so slightly

[solar crown]

No he couldnt, the whole reason he didnt did 1 final attack cause he kneq he was already defeaten. Striking 1 last time would just result in an even quicker, less honerable death

[reef bolt]

Yeah as someone who studied western religions new doom does not resemble catholic stories at all. Classic doom did but new doom follows a more Lovecraft type structure

[solar crown]

Yeah, but it did have some inspirations from catholic stories

[reef bolt]

Classic did which they decided to tie in. All of which is completely destroyed in eternal

By the end

[crude shale]

Fun fact: The Dark Lord (TDL) was originally created to HELP the father, he got jealous of the fact that His people didn't get immortality, while The Fathers did, he went out of his way to try and find immortality, and tried to kill the father, TDL had no true intention of harming his people, he just wanted the best for them!

[elder viper]

This was said in TAG1 but isn’t the case in TAG2

TDL was originally “The Father” he created the world of Jakkad and he loved his people. Sadly his people where not immortal so in order to find the secrets to immortality TDL created Urdak and the Maykrs. The Maykrs found the secret to immortality yet deemed TDL to much of a threat to give it to him so they brought in VEGA as a fake god and struck TDL down.

[crude shale]

Correct

[undone bridge]

Tag1 and tag2 just make the storyline so much more complicated

[solar crown]

More like just tag2

[near citrus]

[balmy vault]

TAG2 is the one that went around retconning shit

Or well, both did

What happened with 2016 mentioning that Hayden used to be human

[inner isle]

protip: don't make shit up as you go along

unless you're really good at hiding it

[nimble loom]

Thats how every story works

[autumn mortar]

Mainly 2 the stuff in 1 was at least foreshadowed, outside of maybe some of the stuff in the final cutscene.

[fallow atlas]

he was much cooler when i thought he was a human to me if im being honest

[elder viper]

Yeah it was weird to make him the former right hand of god

[crude shale]

True, Just being a human and still being able to pull off #### like this is insanely amazing!

[fallow atlas]

Then making him what they did just seems out of place, especially playing doom 2016. Him seeming like a chaotic good shady corporate figure that you’re forced to work with, with the both of you being very reluctant was just much cooler

[solar crown]

That was him lying because he was in hiding as a human

Basically a coverup story

I would have liked it more though if hayden was a human and put himself in a makyr body, wouldve been cooler

[elder viper]

Yeah like he decided to just take over the Seraphims body instead of straight up BEING the Seraphim

[solar crown]

Exactly

[elder viper]

And it would be a very Hayden thing to do

[balmy vault]

Would've been better

[reef bolt]

By using science!

[inner isle]

I lowkey want Doom 6 to be the story-based epic I thought Eternal was gonna be

[autumn mortar]

You play as the intern and spend the game failing to wake up the slayer.

[sleek lily]

I want a side game where you play as Hayden 🤔 get nerve to make it or something

[elder viper]

What would you do though? We already know the stuff he did as the Seraphim so if the remaining stuff would just be him bossing people around on Mars

[wintry pier]

true

they prob won't make a proper doom game in years bc mighty doom

[elder viper]

Doubt. Most cases they probably have a separate group of developers who’ll support Mighty Doom while the A team continue work on the big projects

[wintry pier]

yeah

[shy swallow]

doom rpg is more doom than mighty doom

[elder viper]

Some of Doom RPGs enemies are cool

[wintry pier]

did they say next doom gonna hit like a monster truck

so many ideas if I was on id software

[elder viper]

Pretty sure they said the combat would hit like a monster truck I don’t think they specified Doom

[wintry pier]

thats what I meant

[elder viper]

My bets are on a Quake 👏 1 👏 Reboot

[wintry pier]

like using other demons next to a staggered demon to glory kill it

[elder viper]

More destructible weak points

[wintry pier]

good idea

[wintry pier]

also good idea

trying to remember if new emons were introduced in doom 64

they'll prob be in next

[inner isle]

The Prowler is basically the Nightmare Imp

64 had a two-headed Hell hound of sorts planned

And a Cyberdemon with two rocket launchers

[reef bolt]

2 rocket launchers

[autumn mortar]

That’d be like if they delayed Fallout 4 due to Fallout Shelter.

[elder viper]

Does Fallout Shelter still get updates?

[glacial dove]

It just recently got one yes

[cinder plaza]

We need a new.doom Game

I wonder when it's gonna happen

[solar crown]

Give it 2-3 years

[cinder plaza]

I just hope they make it

As friendly as Doom eternal for non expert players

Since Doom 2016 was very hard for me tbh

[solar crown]

Microsoft will be sure it happens eventually

If not next ID game, the one after probably. Otherwise the one after max

[cinder plaza]

Yeah

The dlc stages are they worth the purchase ?

[solar crown]

Definitely

Tag1 is the best content ingame imo

[cinder plaza]

I'll purchase that then

Thanks for the advice

[solar crown]

I mean why not buy them both via the year1 pass

[cinder plaza]

I'll Buy both

It's. A Nice Game

Been having a blast with it

[elder viper]

There is still more stuff to makes game for so we will probably get a new Doom game. Though I think the next game from ID won’t be a Doom game

Quake. 1. Reboot.

That’ll be the next game I’m calling it

[reef bolt]

I'd say 2

[glacial dove]

Yes but wait for sale

Never pay full price for old stuff if you can help it and can wait

Next month will be the Black Friday sales that always hit

[royal ore]

We need a new lore where God is not Doomguy or Satan, and where you don't have to kill God to finish the game, cause it doesn't feel right.
You can't claim DOOM is "biblically inspired" or the "most christian game ever" if there is no Christ and if God is dead or evil, it doesn't make sense. And Doomguy shouldn't replace God himself, you can't just replace God like that, I don't buy it.
If we got true evil demons and true evil Satan, can't we have an actual good God? What's the point fighting evil if there's no God, no hope, no heaven to fight for?

[solar crown]

You can have hope without god

[royal ore]

That's not true hope, that's an illusion. Every religion say the same: Only God can give true happiness and eternal life, there is no good without him, since he created everything good and watches upon his creation. The definition of God is a being who can't die, and no one can ever be as good or powerful, so evil God or killing God doesn't make sense

[solar crown]

Assuming god exists ofc

And eternal isnt 1:1 to any religious text, so why should that be 🤷‍♀️

[earnest current]

god in doom was an asshole and that's why you kill him

that's kind of it

[solar crown]

I mean he was kinda turned into an asshole cause he got betrayed and couped

[royal ore]

You can have hope without God, but no guarantee that you will be happy forever and saved from death.
I'm not asking for a 1:1 of the Bible, but just an actual good God, not a bootleg or a twisted God

[solar crown]

But why

[royal ore]

Then don't make God an asshole in the new lore

[royal ore]

Cause I don't like the idea, it's kinda sus

[solar crown]

Really just sounds like a "you" issue

[earnest current]

what's the point of having a good god if the game is about killing them? you'd just be a force of evil

[solar crown]

If you wanna just oversimplify doom lore, it's basically just that lucifer succeeded in overthrowing god

[solar crown]

There is no point but make him a plot device

"Oh we gotta reach god to destroy all demons"
Either that or he's useless

But "god" is already established in the lore

We can only get "megagod", which is a really shitty way to take the pot further lol

[earnest current]

that's kind of what they make doomguy to be

why not have a different hell

deeper circles of it

[solar crown]

Already established hell is the only hell

[solar crown]

Basically other areas then

[earnest current]

icy hell?

or an infinite sea hell

a plane that bridges hell and purgatory

SOMETHING that's not regular fire and meat hell

[solar crown]

Blood swamps

[earnest current]

lush hell that can support life?

give an evolutionary process to hell and populate it with creatures that aren't meaty demons

[royal ore]

So I'm the problem? 🤔

[solar crown]

Aslong as it's distinct hell

Hell you could even make a point that since doomguy killed davoth, hell has gone haywire with it's environments

[earnest current]

that sounds interesting

[royal ore]

The game is about killing demons, not God. The "kill God" thing is only in Eternal, not the other games

[solar crown]

Imo it would be downright epic if w ecould have a map set in a place that hell is conqouring and integrating into hell

[earnest current]

the game is whatever i want it to be because i can make a mod that lets me kill god in doom 1

what's your point here

[solar crown]

Yeah case angels are actuall just as evil as demons, what about it

[royal ore]

If you have the choice to do it, why shouldn't I have the choice to not do it in the game?

[earnest current]

you can always go play something else

[solar crown]

Cause doom isnt a "choose your own adventure" rpg

It has a linear story you can't change, simple as that

Dont like a storybeat solely because you personally dont like the direction? Sucks to suck

[royal ore]

I don't like it, it doesn't feel "Doom", the other games were only about killing demons

[earnest current]

you're playing what the makers of said campaign, mod or whatever have presented to you, if you don't like what it is has, you can simply play something that's better tailored to your taste

[solar crown]

And zombies, and non-demons. Hell even some man-made cyborgs

If you dont like angles, dont play past urdak. Simple as that

[earnest current]

even goku dukes it out with gods all the time

[royal ore]

Yeah but Doom Eternal have a really good gameplay, so I like to play it, I just don't like the story

[solar crown]

Too bad then

[earnest current]

because you kill a god?

[royal ore]

Yes, but never God or angels, not before Eternal

[earnest current]

i wonder if you'd enjoy games like god of war

[solar crown]

Yeah, cause eternal is a new game with new stuff in it

If you want to do the same thing over and over again, then play the same thing. Not something new

[royal ore]

There is "new" and "new", not every new thing is a good thing.
I feel like Eternal crossed the wrong line, but I like this game, I want to love it, not feeling weird about it. So I hope the next Doom game will get it right, and there's not much to do to achieve it. Just don't make me kill God, and I'll enjoy it without problem. Ask any christian in the world, I don't think they're confortable about the idea of killing God, and it's not by any means necessarily to make a good Doom game.

[earnest current]

homie it's a game it's not that deep

[solar crown]

Ok, but doom isnt agame for christians either

Also, you can't kill god anymore cause he's already death lmfao

[earnest current]

unless you kill maykrs now

[royal ore]

It should be for everyone

[solar crown]

Well, what i meant to say is that it's not specifically for christians

You quite literally can't cater to everyone

[royal ore]

I think a game about killing demons is quite made to appeal to christians