tech-talk

[tropic hawk]

anyone help?

@prisma wasp

[iron notch]

error is too generalized so idk on this one

[tropic hawk]

Lol

[prisma wasp]

..why ping me?

[tropic hawk]

Help

Thought you could rlly

[prisma wasp]

There's no error code, just a general vulcan initialization failure.

I also don't have experience troubleshooting the game at all.

I can troubleshoot hardware and specific software, but not Eternal.

Just outside my realm unfortunately.

[torn elm]

try to update your gpu drivers i guess

verify your game files, the usual protocol

[heavy laurel]

since I'm trying everywhere might as well. as in the screenshot, when I try to open up the pc-mod-preview launcher all I get is that spinning orange circle. I verified files, rebooted, even reinstalled the game. what is going on? Yesterday It was working completely fine

[empty patrol]

wait so is the dark ages playavle rn?

i keep seeing videos of people playing it

[hasty sierra]

no

the videos online are from people who had a press-release review copy of the game

[empty patrol]

ohhhhh

i keep seeing midnight saying smth about DOOM Controversies and its annoying

like bruh DOOM hasnt had a major controversy since it delayed work in the 90s

[boreal dagger]

It has 😭 the whole mick gordon shit and uh idk what else

[vagrant carbon]

The marauder and the dlcs were highly divisive too

[sly estuary]

Dudes a CHUD, ignore him

[vivid frigate]

Midnight and its consequences have been disastrous for the human race.

[oblique nimbus]

It's an incredible feature

Most of the doom games are playing anywhere except 2016 and ethenal and that sucks

I'm going to play the dark ages both on Xbox series x s PC and PS5/pro

[vagrant carbon]

Yep its great

[quaint copper]

im getting the 4060 ti soon yaya

[torn elm]

bad purchase lmao

[quaint copper]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-prowler-stare-meme-angry-gif-14312537171363175004

[shell fulcrum]

Why not just buy ryzens graphic cards they are way cheaper in my opinion?

[eager flame]

Yeetus

[mystic anvil]

hi

im new here

[torn elm]

Cuz their architecture tends to not be as efficient

[torn elm]

Very dope

[quaint copper]

e

too late i alr bought the 4060ti and a 240hz monitor D:

[torn elm]

Hello

[torn elm]

That GPU is NOT getting 240 fps on a 4060 ti

[boreal dagger]

240hz refers to the refresh rate iirc.

It doesn't need it to meet the refresh rate lmao

[torn elm]

240hz goes to waste unless your fps can keep up with it

Not matching the refresh rate leads to higher input latency

[boreal dagger]

Plus, it could meet it via other games

Or just using lower quality graphics

[torn elm]

Eesh

[boreal dagger]

And you can always upgrade later on :]

[prisma wasp]

tbh, I kinda agree with meca. There's no point buying an insanely high refresh rate monitor if you can't consistently meet that framerate; it does actually cause some pretty bad latency issues.

[boreal dagger]

Understandable, I do agree to some extent, but we also don't fully know what games the other user plays. He could be playing games like postal or hollow knight, which aren't graphic intense games, meaning they could reach those frame rates.

[torn elm]

Doom is a pretty fast paced game, and input lag absolutely makes a difference especially if your buying new parts

[quaint copper]

wdym

i am bottlenecking my cpu lmfao

(i am broke now)

i only had the money for the 4060ti and a 240hz monitor

jst dm me atp ima go for todaya :d

[torn elm]

Your GPU, is not going to get 240 fps dawg

In almost every game that isn’t indie

[quaint copper]

Wat

Eh it is what it is

[quaint copper]

I literally worked hard for my money and its not good? Is it better than a 1060 atleast?

[prisma wasp]

It's better than a 1060 big a significant margin. Personally, 120hz would've been the better choice for a monitor, but the GPU itself is a significant upgrade.

[quaint copper]

Oh

Tho 240hz is still good... right (i have spent my money on "the bigger the number the better the performance" logic)

[prisma wasp]

So, it's a good display, but you're not gonna get everything out of it; I used to be the same, big number = better but that's not actually the case; a lot of the time, big number can actually be worse.

You can still use the display, though I'd recommend setting the refresh rate to somewhere in the 100's, maybe 120-144, rather than cranking it all the way to 240.

240hz displays are generally for when you've got the really high end cards that can push that framerate out easily; as mecatisfat has said, not running a game at that framerate can cause input delay, as well as, at least in my case, nausea.

120-144 is generally the better hz to go for, as it's easier to reach in the majority of titles with most cards.

But ultimately, you should be fine either way, just turn the refresh rate on it down and it'll be fine.

[torn elm]

It is better than a 1060, just saying you could have spent the same amount of cash on let’s say a 3070 ti and gotten a lot more performance but, it is what it is

[quaint copper]

Lets say

I might have bought them yesterday

[quaint copper]

Sooo for 240hz i need a 4080+?

Smh like that?

But ima lower the refresh rate as u said ig

[prisma wasp]

To properly push a consistent 240+ fps to make use of the 240hz, yeah, you'd want a much stronger GPU than the 4060ti.

[quaint copper]

Ohh

[prisma wasp]

Just dropping refresh rate will be fine though, just something to keep in mind for the future.

[quaint copper]

Alr then

Thx for the help

[prisma wasp]

[keen sky]

do yall think switching to AMD is worth it? I got a 3090 and i7-10700k n wanna beef up my CPU but that means ill need to get a new motherboard

[prisma wasp]

Both sides are good. AMD is far more budget oriented, and as such their cards don't perform as well as NVIDIA counterparts, but they still do respectably. If you're after raytracing performance, NVIDIA is the best option hands down, though.

If you want good high-end, NVIDIA; if budget is a concern, AMD or Intel.

If you're after CPU's, 15th gen Intel is very strong, and AMD's CPU's are also quite strong, though I'd avoid x3D chips, they have some pretty rough flaws that make them far worse than the non-x3D counterparts.

[torn elm]

a 4070 ti or a 4070 ti super yeah

and at 1440p, definitely a 4080+

[torn elm]

correct, id like to also add that with being a budget card, it also has a lot of reliability and long term issues due to them having non ideal architecture and obviously budget

[gritty oak]

My 4060ti has been running everything at a smooth 240hz, tho I do play on 1080p

Other than elden ring ^

[sly estuary]

Im very confused by this, after everything I’ve read about x3d cards. Aren’t they literally the best cards for gaming?

[prisma wasp]

x3D CPU's have architectural issues so you're basically playing silicon lottery on whether you get one that works as it's supposed to, or whether it's gonna bottleneck the entire system.

In a majority of cases, you're better off getting the standard version of the CPU; ie, 9800X, rather than the X3D version.

[sly estuary]

TIL

[prisma wasp]

Ryzen 9000 specifically on its x3D chips have chips failing outright, and AMD is blaming "memory compatibility" which is bullshit.

The 7800X3D also had some pretty bad voltage issues, where-as the standard editions for both chips never had such problems.

It'd be nice if they didn't have issues, I'd recommend them if they worked properly, but.

I can't willingly say "yeah go buy a cpu that's probably fucked from the factory" lmao.

[quaint copper]

Thank God i didnt bought a 1440p

How do i install a cpu

I mean like... ik how to do it but me scared

(Also no i still have to buy a ryzen 9 but idk which one)

[fast violet]

My understanding is some boards had/have firmware issues, but this is still being investigated

[frigid cipher]

what we think

is this a good mouse for playing doom?

yay or nay?

[hasty sierra]

depends on the game

[frigid cipher]

eternal?

[hasty sierra]

actually, not really, seeing all of them have a ton of weapons

so it'd work, I suppose

[frigid cipher]

I tried it

its alright

definetly very helpful with like quake and og doom

[torn elm]

They get the most fps but they also like killing themselevs, they draw too much current and over 500 dead CPUs from the 9800x3D have been found already

[torn elm]

Mix of both firmware and the cpu itself

[torn elm]

It should work I mean

[torn elm]

Yeah good, 1080p is where you should be at for that GPU

[frigid cipher]

enough buttons I imagine?

[torn elm]

Yeah but, honestly the buttons shouldn’t matter too much unless your going for an ergonomic mouse.

If you wanna play games I’d suggest you get a lightweight mouse that has a good click latency

[frigid cipher]

ahhh

[torn elm]

I can give you some recommendations for the price range

[frigid cipher]

sure

I mean the mouse I have rn works good

but i’m willing to listen

[torn elm]

it depends on your budget, how much would you be willing to spend

[torn elm]

@frigid cipher

[frigid cipher]

oh anything is fine honestly

[torn elm]

even 100 bucks?

and you live in the US right?

[pallid crown]

Hes not the only dude wanting to hear the recommendations💀

I was checking this channel every 20 minutes to see if you said em or not

[torn elm]

hahaa all good, whats your budget range

[pallid crown]

500 bucks

USD

[torn elm]

for a mouse??

@pallid crown

[pallid crown]

Yeah

[torn elm]

you have 500 USD for a mouse?

do you also want a keyboard.... or anything else

[pallid crown]

Yeah thats my budget for a mouse

[slate brook]

500!?

[pallid crown]

My keyboards fine tbh

[wicked lynx]

500 for a mouse?

[torn elm]

well id reccomend the Viper V3 Pro

best mouse on the market

[pallid crown]

Whats the price

[torn elm]

depends on your region

[pallid crown]

Lemme check

[torn elm]

like, where do you live in the world

[slate brook]

I think for me like ummm... about 150 euros

[prisma wasp]

I'm biased, Logitech's G502X has been pretty much perfect for me.

[slate brook]

I have a 2000 year old logitech myself

[torn elm]

well, hes got literal "fuck you" money so hahahaah

its a great mouse, logitech makes great mice, but band to band, viper v3 pro wins

[hasty sierra]

the 502 Hero's been my mouse for abbout 5 years

[pallid crown]

It costs 160 usd and its 50 in my currency

[hasty sierra]

it loses because it's wireless

[torn elm]

then get the mouse, its te best one you can buy

[hasty sierra]

I fucking despise wireless mice and keyboards

[prisma wasp]

I can't willingly support razer personally.

[torn elm]

whats wrong with it being wireless? it reduces drag

[slate brook]

ye well I got like a notebook soething I think thats what is on the mouse

[hasty sierra]

Here's two issues: I am constantly using my system and I am forgetful

[pallid crown]

Should pair it up with a razer mouse pad right?

[torn elm]

i actually understand that, razer does have QC problems in some areas, just not the high end mice and products

[pallid crown]

Middle East

[hasty sierra]

I don't want to suddenly not have my mouse or keyboard suddenly die on me while I'm working

[torn elm]

well, i am also on my system 24 7 and i never have to charge my mouse, maybe once a week

[prisma wasp]

I've definitely noticed lmao.

[hasty sierra]

yeah, once a week is too much for me

I would rather just keep using wired

basically the only wireless things I use is for my console

[torn elm]

no you dont have to, if you want a good mousepad, theres lots of options

[torn elm]

for me using wired adds a LOT of sluggishness and drag so

[hasty sierra]

never had that issue

[torn elm]

i cant bear it personally

[torn elm]

yep

[prisma wasp]

Same, I've never been able to go back to wired since using the G502.

[pallid crown]

Im using the deathadder and it had a build in app or something if you have a razer mouse pad it could calibrate to it or smthn

[torn elm]

yeah, forbidden fruit time shit

[torn elm]

honestly, its overrated

[hasty sierra]

yeah, don't buy into that stuff

[torn elm]

the whole "calibration" thing, its just marketing

[hasty sierra]

a normal mouse pad would work just as well if not better

[pallid crown]

Oh thanks for the insight

[torn elm]

"SteelSeries QcK Performance" is the best rated mousepad but it depends on person to person

[torn elm]

all good

are there any other peripherals you want to buy? seems like theres room

[pallid crown]

Peripherals? Im not familiar with that word

English isint my native language

[torn elm]

oh i mean, non pc stuff

like monitors, keyboards, headphones etc

[prisma wasp]

Peripherals is like, keyboard, mouse, headset, mousepad, monitors, headphones, microphones, webcams.

[pallid crown]

Oh yeah just remembered im thinking getting a oled monitor

[torn elm]

Life changing purchase

[prisma wasp]

OLED is incredible.

[hasty sierra]

I want an OLED tbh

[prisma wasp]

I kinda wanna swap to OLED, but it cost me enough on these monitors.

[torn elm]

I own an OLED, the colors are out of this world

[hasty sierra]

Hell, I just want like 3 monitors tbh

[torn elm]

It’s so worth it dawg. I sold both my monitors for this OLED, worth every penny

[hasty sierra]

but well, I got no room for it lol

[prisma wasp]

Mood, I need a third but I don't have the room.

[pallid crown]

Didnt settle on which one tho i dont have much knowledge on them

[torn elm]

Considering your coding mainly, mini led would be a lot better for your needs (until pholed comes out”

[hasty sierra]

my main monitor takes up about 90% of my desk

[prisma wasp]

I also need to recover from this new motherboard and CPU first lmfao.

[torn elm]

I do, I’ve done a lot of research into these monitors

[hasty sierra]

I game mainly, actually

Coding's just a hobby to me

[pallid crown]

Lets hear some

[torn elm]

Really? That’s nice, yeah OLED goated

[hasty sierra]

though yes, ignoring gaming, I do mainly code

Somewhat on topic, but I've been wanting a new keyboard.
Too bad that basically every keyboard I've looked at is wireless at this point
Like, I do love my G512, but I do wish to get a different keyboard. But few are 100%, even fewer of those are wired.

[torn elm]

For OLED I do have a few, I’ll start with some budget friendly and then mention the ones you should get if money isn’t a problem, however your actual pc specs matter aswell, what are you using currently in your pc

[slate brook]

oleds super nice

[torn elm]

I’m using a budget keyboard, a royal kludge rk61, it’s both wired and wireless so I don’t gotta worry

[torn elm]

QD OLED is king, but OLED is nice. WOLED’s are also nice

[hasty sierra]

I'm fine with wired and wireless. I just hate ones that are "wired" (like they're always wireless, but you can plug them in to constantly keep them charged)

[slate brook]

wich one is the one that doesnt burn in quick or is it both

[hasty sierra]

tbh, a wired/wireless keyboard would probably be the best

[torn elm]

WOLED tends to avoid burn in the most because of the white subpixel pushing most of the color so the other subpixels dont degrade

[hasty sierra]

because I'd still get the benefits of both

[torn elm]

but realistically, they're all the same burn in wise

[prisma wasp]

I'd say if you're after extra buttons to set keybinds to, the K100 is pretty decent.

[torn elm]

rk61 is an option or a k100

[prisma wasp]

Just don't use the wheel, the wheel is shit.

[slate brook]

ok, not sure what oled my tv is

[torn elm]

yeah exacctly

[torn elm]

what model is it

[torn elm]

you use UAE amazon?

[slate brook]

forgor, but 8K LG

[hasty sierra]

RK61's not an option for me

[pallid crown]

Nope

[torn elm]

most likely QD OLED

[slate brook]

yeah maybe

[torn elm]

where are you buyin from

[pallid crown]

I just go to the stores and buy them

Nothing online

[torn elm]

you should probs buy a monitor online if im being real

[hasty sierra]

RK basically only carries non 100% keyboards, minus one of their models

[torn elm]

atleast UAE amazon

[pallid crown]

Never had a problem when buying from stores tbh

[torn elm]

they might not have all the stock is all

[pallid crown]

Plus i could bargain the price

[pallid crown]

If they dont then yeah prob online it is

[torn elm]

Yeahhh

Idk, we’ll have to see if the stores have it or not

I have no idea about the UAE market

[pallid crown]

Oh im not UAE

[torn elm]

oh?

[pallid crown]

Kuwait

[torn elm]

also what are your pc specs

[torn elm]

ah okay okay, can you still use amazon?

[pallid crown]

2080 super Is the only thing i remember

16 gigs ddr5

[pallid crown]

Yep

[torn elm]

oh buddy

[pallid crown]

Its underrated

[torn elm]

you need to upgrade your pc before anything else

because oled starts at 1440p

[hasty sierra]

yeah

the fact you only have 16 GB is a big issue by itself

[pallid crown]

Never got bottlenecked tbh

[slate brook]

my laptop has 16 gigs🙏

[pallid crown]

What about the graphics card do i change it aswell?

[torn elm]

the graphics card is the main issue

[slate brook]

I mean maybe

[torn elm]

then the ram

[pallid crown]

Hm

[torn elm]

realistically youll need a whole new pc, which can be pricey

[pallid crown]

Yeah il probably sell mine

And buy a 50 series and the ram

[torn elm]

That’s a good idea

[pallid crown]

32 gigs should be good no?

[torn elm]

Yeah

[torn elm]

Yep, perfect for video games

[slate brook]

will there be a 9070xtx

[pallid crown]

Yeah dont be flabbergasted on how im saying i could buy this stuff🙏 i make a good living selling vintage cars

[slate brook]

damn

[torn elm]

9070 XT is gross lmao

[torn elm]

Ah there we go

[slate brook]

no will there be a xtx version and it's not that bad for budget

please amd

[pallid crown]

Dont take it the wrong way

[torn elm]

I’m not sure considering a 9070 XT is already a 900 - 1000 dollar gpu

[torn elm]

Oh no not at all, I was just saying it makes sense now

[pallid crown]

Oh i thought you were going to give me the privileged shit

[slate brook]

wait was it not supposed to be 800

[torn elm]

Nope, your money is your money, you deserve the cash

[pallid crown]

Im not from a wealthy family it’s just hard work

[slate brook]

like it's 800 euros

[hasty sierra]

tbh, I want pics of some of them

[torn elm]

Yes, but demand pull inflation

[pallid crown]

Bet

I can posts pictures here right?

[hasty sierra]

just DM me them, though

[slate brook]

hol up I googled and got 799 somehow, maybe outdated

[torn elm]

Doesn’t matter regardless, I’m not going to shame you for having money, that’s like shaming a fit person for being in shape

[pallid crown]

Much appreciate it

[pallid crown]

Sure

[torn elm]

Idk, but between you and me, regardless of what AMD fanboys on the internet say. The AMD GPUs have a lot of issues architecturally, which leads to a LOT of issues (even if they claim they don’t)

[prisma wasp]

AMD really isn't fantastic if you want high-end performance.

[slate brook]

wHaT are U A NviDia FamBoY

[torn elm]

I’ve worked in, have friends in, and know people that fix, repair and even design parts of CPUs and GPUs, so I think it’s safe to say actual engineers opinions do hold up in front of…well discord and internet people

[slate brook]

yes, it's budget

[prisma wasp]

There's a very good reason AMD is sticking to budget, because that's how they design their stuff.

[torn elm]

Real lmao, last generation was a complete mess, who the hell adds Chiplets to a gpu

The interconnects were literally killing the 7000 series

[slate brook]

maybe intel will save the world

[torn elm]

Intel has its own troubles right now, and Nvidias already doing plenty

[slate brook]

everythings in turmoil

[prisma wasp]

Intel definitely has problems; 13th and 14th gen CPU's have an overvoltage problem.

[torn elm]

The 50 series except for the 5090 is straight ass. The 9070xt has a boatload of driver issues, and doesn’t even perform better than a 7900xtx. And the 9800x3D’s are literally killing thrmselves

[torn elm]

14th gen owner here, it was fixed a year ago. It happened from people buying a 1000 dollar cpu + mobo combo and never bothering to open the bios. Ever.

[prisma wasp]

The GPU market isn't great atm, you're essentially forced into either the absolute highest end, or shit.

[slate brook]

well the 9800x3ds are just The Good

[torn elm]

They’re literally overdrawing current and killing themselves lmao, over 500 confirmed cases

[prisma wasp]

I had a 13th gen for well over 2 years, and even with the fix it was still giving me problems, so I just decided to replace it outright.

[slate brook]

yes so they are The Good

[hasty sierra]

should I look into getting a different CPU, then?

[prisma wasp]

I'll die on this hill, x3D chips are shit.

[hasty sierra]

because I currently have an x3D chip

[torn elm]

I would highly reccomend

[hasty sierra]

damn, so it's gonna take a damn long while for me to get a new CPU

[prisma wasp]

Even if you just change to the non-x3D version.

[torn elm]

I’d replace that personally

[hasty sierra]

give or take a couple years

[torn elm]

Maybe there was too much degradation at that point

[prisma wasp]

Probably. I didn't even know until recently, when Minecraft crashed and gave me the warning.

[torn elm]

Most of the time, tweaking the mobo settings for 13th and 14th gen was good, atleast for the last batch of 20 or so pcs I built with 13th and 14th gen I built

[prisma wasp]

I'd definitely noticed a lot of performance drop over time, so it probably was just that killing itself.

[slate brook]

isnt the last gen 7800x3d good tho

[torn elm]

What are your current settings on that mobo

[prisma wasp]

The one I have now, or the now old one?

[torn elm]

Sturdier than the 9800x3D. However lacks features in a lot of different areas

[torn elm]

The new one

[prisma wasp]

Stock, for now.

[slate brook]

damn but is the non version better tho

[torn elm]

12th gen?

[prisma wasp]

I'm mainly worried about just getting my stuff transferred back onto the system at the moment.

15th, picked up an Ultra 265K.

[torn elm]

For gaming? The 9900x is a good cpu regardless, but doesn’t suffer from the overcurrent issues so, I’d reccomend that more

[torn elm]

Niiiice, fuckin sweet

[hasty sierra]

I legit don't think my CPU has a non-x3D version, so I'd have to get a whole different CPU

[slate brook]

well well see what cpu and gpu I'll get from a year now

[torn elm]

Since your running am5, maybe a 9900x is a good choice

[prisma wasp]

It was kind of a last minute choice, mostly; didn't particularly want to buy it yet, but when I found out my CPU was basically dying, I kinda snap-bought it and had to borrow some money from friends and family lmao.

[torn elm]

I’m praying to the Intel gods that 16th gen has good performance for video games

[slate brook]

well hopefully amd cooks

[torn elm]

Oof, I’m thinking in a year from now I’ll do a 16th gen i9 + 5090 build with a full custom water loop

[prisma wasp]

Haven't been able to play anything yet, outside of roblox, cause transferring 2 TB of steam library takes a hot minute lmao.

[torn elm]

AMD’s already cooking, the 9800x3Ds are literally burnt

[prisma wasp]

Fair honestly. If they weren't 3 grand, I'd actually pick up a 5090 and call it a day for the next decade lmfao.

[torn elm]

Oh jeez, what SSD are you running

[torn elm]

Thas why I’m waiting a whole year lmao

[prisma wasp]

It's transferring from a USB 3.0 external to a Samsung QVO 4TB, which is only SATA.

[torn elm]

Oh lord

[prisma wasp]

Couldn't really afford to get a second NVME 4TB.

[torn elm]

My guy get yourself a 990 pro or a sn850x

[slate brook]

my friend started laughing when I said I'll get 8 terras of space

[prisma wasp]

That'll be a one day thing, I have money to recover first.

[torn elm]

Ah true

[prisma wasp]

The storage goal is gonna be a 2TB NVME OS drive, and replace the QVO with an 8TB NVME drive.

[torn elm]

Not unrealistic tho, I wanna run 4 2TB 990 pros in raid 0 one day

[torn elm]

A single 8 tb NVMe is crazy

[slate brook]

and I'll get 64gig of ram

[prisma wasp]

I have too much installed that requires a shitload of space; my ARMA 3 is nearly 400 gig.

[torn elm]

I mean alright lmao

[prisma wasp]

tbf I just upgraded to 128 gigs of DDR5.

[torn elm]

Holy.

[prisma wasp]

Though, system hates XMP, and I don't have the heart to go dealing with that.

[torn elm]

DAWG

[slate brook]

Imma go bankroubht fr fr

[torn elm]

What motherboard is it

[prisma wasp]

Stressed me the fuck out yesterday after it had a fit trying to do XMP, and I'm not up for that again lmfao.

[prisma wasp]

MSI Z890 Gaming Plus Wifi, mostly because it has all the rear IO I need.

[torn elm]

Keep in mind that most motherboards do have compatibility issues with 4 Dimm, even if they are capable of running em, because most have an F shaped config

[torn elm]

That’s a great mobo, maybe you just need to clear your CMOs and reseat your ram sticks

Allow it to memory train

[prisma wasp]

I'm pretty sure that's all I needed to do, that's certainly what happened when it was fixing itself afterwards.

At some point I'll sit down and try to get XMP set, and leave it to train, but for now I just need to get things transferred.

[torn elm]

For sure

For my next build I think I’m gonna go with a set of 48 gig 8000 MTS

[prisma wasp]

For now, I'ma relax, freeze to death, and watch a transfer take forever.

[torn elm]

Literally blazing

[prisma wasp]

Honestly, entirely fair, I support it.

[torn elm]

Yeahhh, the whole build is gonna rob me of 7-8 grand tho so, I’m toast

[prisma wasp]

Fury Renegade is actually really tempting, but after all the things I've put up with for the last, like, 2 weeks, I'ma hold off on buying RAM, or anything for that matter, for at least half a decade.

[torn elm]

You’re running a fury rn?

[prisma wasp]

Nah, Corsair Vengeance.

[torn elm]

G skill is the way to go Homeslice, most stability at higher capacity at higher speeds

G skill royals are really really really nice

[prisma wasp]

Got a second set of what I already had, which isn't incredible by any means but I'm not after giga-turbo-fast.

Capacity is my main concern, modded minecraft chews through 64 like it's not even there.

[torn elm]

Your using mismatched ram?

[prisma wasp]

No, identical kits.

I made full-well sure I got the exact same kit when I bought the second kit.

Took me 20 minutes hunting through previous orders to find it lmfao.

[torn elm]

Ahhh okay good good

I wish they made dummy ram for g skill royals

It would be so dope

[prisma wasp]

It'd be nice, I actually love the look of g.skill royals.

TIL they just don't make 4080's anymore.

and haven't since 2022.

[wispy steeple]

4080s are that old? Wtf

I just got a new pc with a 4070 super.... big upgrade considering my last pc was 3060 ti but i kept getting stutters on it

[prisma wasp]

They stopped making them before the 50-series was even teased.

Apparently, because of the Super series, both 4080's and 4070ti's had their production cancelled.

[wispy steeple]

i thought 50 series was like 2024 or 2025

thats why i was confused

[prisma wasp]

50-series was January this year, so you're on the money lmao.

[torn elm]

2025

[wispy steeple]

bruh

[prisma wasp]

But they sold like shit apparently, so they just stopped bothering.

[wispy steeple]

oh nvm i read this wrong, that sucks

[torn elm]

When was the last time you updated your drivers?

[wispy steeple]

umm i cant remember

[torn elm]

Dude

[prisma wasp]

Now to get a 4080, I'd have to get it off ebay or something, and ugh.

[wispy steeple]

maybe like a few weeks ago? i just got this pc in december

[torn elm]

Run DDU and reinstall your drivers, any YouTube tutorial should work

[torn elm]

Ooof, the 4080 is a beaut tho

[wispy steeple]

oh do you mean on my old pc?

its at the other house i barely use it

[torn elm]

What? No you said you upgraded GPUs?

[prisma wasp]

It is. I'd love to get one but 2 grand is a fuckin lot lmfao.

[torn elm]

I bought it at a grand so

[wispy steeple]

oh you were talking about my current pc, im not having any problems with it

im def gonna install drivers tho thx for reminder

[prisma wasp]

I almost wish I bought one when it was new, but alas.

[torn elm]

Inflation is a bitch

[wispy steeple]

real

[prisma wasp]

My 3070's still doing me well, I'll just hold on to it til' it either burns out or the 60-series releases.

Or they finally fix the 50-series being shit.

[wispy steeple]

50 series is shit rn?

havent seen anything on that

[torn elm]

Except for the 5090, it’s all buns

[wispy steeple]

that's rough

[torn elm]

That ain’t happening hahaha, 5090 or nothing

[prisma wasp]

Yeah, everything bar the 90 is basically fucked.

Which is annoying, because of course the 3 grand one is the only one that works properly. Thanks nvidia.

[torn elm]

It was designed to fail

[wispy steeple]

has there been a shit load of refunds yet?

[prisma wasp]

Refunds, complaints, probably quite a few thrown cards.

[wispy steeple]

WHY WOULD YOU THROW IT BRUH

[prisma wasp]

If I drop $1800 I can get a Ventux 3X 4080.

[torn elm]

Even my chip architect friend at Nvidia said they were going balls to the wall for the 5090…and 32 gb of vram holy mother of god

[wispy steeple]

I WOULDVE TAKEN THAT IN CASE

[wispy steeple]

3x 4080?

[torn elm]

A three fan ventus card

[wispy steeple]

ah gotcha

[prisma wasp]

The model of the 4080 is called the Ventus 3X; tri-fan card, MSI.

[torn elm]

Entry level pcb, id still trust it more than gigashit tho

[wispy steeple]

gotcha

[prisma wasp]

I feel so fucking vindicated seeing more gigabyte hate lmfao, that pleases me way more than it should.

There's an ASUS TUF OC but it's basically 2 grand.

[torn elm]

I know, gigabyte is so shit

[torn elm]

Lmao not worth the 2 grand, and I’m running that exact card

[torn elm]

Their mobos and gpus and psus break constantly

The ONLY good thing they make is their monitors

[prisma wasp]

I think the only real option I have for a potential upgrade is a 4070 Super, they're only 1300.

[wispy steeple]

i swear there's probably gonna be a severe economic crash within the next 2-5 years

[prisma wasp]

But the only options for the site I use are gigashit and PNY, and I'd rather die than use either.

[wispy steeple]

Yea im running that rn

[torn elm]

A 4070 super is a good deal, tho a 4070 ti super is where you should aim at rn, especially for the extra vram

[wispy steeple]

how much vram is the ti super?

[prisma wasp]

I actually wantd a 4070 ti super, and then the site I use took down pages for them.

[wispy steeple]

ouch

[prisma wasp]

huh, that's actually not bad.

[wispy steeple]

is the idtech early engines not open source anymore?

[prisma wasp]

Just shy of $1100 for a brand new TUF 4070ti super.

[torn elm]

Oh god

[prisma wasp]

oh it's bids, fml.

oh, a real one; MSI Gaming X for.. 1700.

[wispy steeple]

that's like $300 less than my new pc

[prisma wasp]

Most of these are gigabyte and it makes me laugh seeing them not sell.

[wispy steeple]

reminds me that

i think my old pc's (both old and newer) motherboard(s) were gigabyte

(i think)

but i mean that pc is like 6 years old

so yea

are nvidia studio drivers recommended or do they have nothing to do with gaming

[prisma wasp]

don't bother with studio drivers, you will not need them

[torn elm]

Nyx, maybe the better option is a monitor upgrade for now

atleast till the gpu market calms down

[prisma wasp]

I'm holding off on upgrading anything for a while honestly; monitors are doing me pretty alright so far, but eventually once I've got the money I'll pick up a couple OLED's.

[torn elm]

yuhh

[prisma wasp]

..ROG has a fucking 480hz Swift monitor? jesus christ.

I've already got my eye on a couple options for when I do get the money; either an MSI MAG 273, or a Samsung Odyssey G61SD, but that'll be far later down the line.

[wispy steeple]

nvm then

thanks though

[prisma wasp]

[torn elm]

yeahh

i use a 650 dollar 240hz woled, very nice option

[prisma wasp]

The two I'm looking at are $900 a piece, also get vega'd.

[torn elm]

damn, theres a really good gigabyte 650 dollar qdoled, it looks the same as all the others, same panel, i suggest you get 2 of those

[frigid cipher]

mhm, that works

sorry for the late reply

[torn elm]

all good

USA right?

[frigid cipher]

yea

[torn elm]

Viper v2 pro, goated mouse

[frigid cipher]

oh yeah, i’ve heard about it

pretty good looking mouse

but just curious

the mouse that I posted is okay for gaming right?

[torn elm]

its okay, but compared to viper v2 pro, naw,

[frigid cipher]

damn.

[torn elm]

damn indeed

[frigid cipher]

well thanks for the insight

i’ll give the mouse a couple of runs with games

then i’ll see if I buy the viper pro in the future

[torn elm]

sure

[quaint copper]

The 240hz monitor arrived and alr set it up .. I want to give the 1060 a last playtest before my 4060ti arrives.. can I still use the 240hz even tho it will prob won't do 100+ fps

[torn elm]

kk

[quaint copper]

I put the refresh rate to 240hz

With my old 1060 lmao

Ah yes a bsod

[torn elm]

Amazing

[torn elm]

Great

Install the new drivers

[quaint copper]

what are drivers

how do i install them

nvm

[quaint copper]

why does the pc now sounds like a fridge @torn elm

[torn elm]

What does that even mean

[quaint copper]

it does brrrrrrrrr

its not quiet lol (e)

nvm fixed

[grim trail]

tell your fans to lock tf in and close some tabs, over task manager

[grim trail]

bro got some 🗿 ahhh stuff but dosnt know what a driver is

[quaint copper]

Ye

I still downloaded the 4060 ti driver

(I have no fucking idea what it does)

[wicked lynx]

thanks for reminding me to update my drivers

[quaint copper]

why the fuck when i play roblox i do 90 fps max, but when i am on forza 5 (all maxed out graphics) i do like 200 fps

my 4060ti isnt 4060ing

a

[torn elm]

Your welcome lmao

[torn elm]

Because Roblox is poorly coded and the engine sucks. But forza is a AAA with professionals optimizing it

[torn elm]

Acts as a communicative bridge between your GPU and windows

[quaint copper]

oh

[hallow fern]

So uhmmmm, what the heck happened here?? Can someone explain??

[prisma wasp]

#doom-eternal would be better; this is for talking about tech.

[queen ledge]

Cute

[hallow fern]

So uh

[hallow fern]

Do you know what happened??

[queen ledge]

How do hell do you even not have any weapon

[hallow fern]

Idk

[hallow fern]

It was ultra nm too

Couldn’t double jump either

[queen ledge]

Woah just restart a new game dude

[hallow fern]

Yeah it was gonna happen anyways

[modest ruin]

Keep on topic please and stop the spam

[shell fulcrum]

Is RX9070XT gonna be able to run doom tda? im asking because of ray tracing thingy?

[torn elm]

Yeah ofc it will

Maybe not as good as an Nvidia card tho, I will warn you

[shell fulcrum]

What are the differences?

[torn elm]

the ray tracing cores in an nvidia card are more developed and powerful aswell, you wont see performance drops with nvidia cards nearly as much as you will with AMD gpus, and the nvidia ray tracing will look better aswell

because the mesh shaders are more complex

[shell fulcrum]

I see, but will perfomance on AMD gpu really be that bad or?

Well not bad

But yk

Overall should i concider buying RX9070XT or RTX 5070 and better?

[torn elm]

See for pure raster (non ray tracing) performance then the 9070xt will be better for your needs.

However if you intend to also use Ray Tracing (and play doom the dark ages which will probably require Ray tracing), the 5070 ti is the better option as it will perform better with Ray tracing. (Specifically the TI variant)

[shell fulcrum]

So 5070Ti is perfect to run doom tda?

[torn elm]

Yes, considering you can get it for similar price

[shell fulcrum]

Amazing tysm

[torn elm]

Ofc, is there anything else you’d like feedback on? Anything else about your pc build so we can save money on certain parts?

[candid cape]

Anyone seen this flickering problem? FPS are stable but dunno how to fix this https://youtu.be/4bnyC4NLe4E

[prisma wasp]

From a brief search, it's either a driver issue or a settings issue.

[candid cape]

drive up to date now again but where not that old

[prisma wasp]

From what I can find, people are turning off Vsync and switching to triple buffering.

[candid cape]

ty for searching, will test that, wil report back in a few

[prisma wasp]

[candid cape]

in the Grapic menue ingame i just can choose vsynch off OR triple buffering

[prisma wasp]

Swap to triple buffering, see if that fixes it.

[candid cape]

nope, same issue. Maybe switch ingame Vsynch off and choose triple buffering as a Nvidia Setting offgame?

[prisma wasp]

Potentially.

Apparently people are also just rolling back drivers, but the drivers they're listing are from 2022.

[candid cape]

No rollback for me. Just for 1 Game, then other Games dont run optimized

[prisma wasp]

Yeah, I don't think rolling back for a single game is worth it.

Especially to a driver that's 3 years old and probably doesn't support the GPU.

[candid cape]

the driver is up to date now, and i have setup the game in Nvidia Settings to Triple Buffering, same effect

[candid cape]

I think i fixed it. On my Nvidia Settings i choosed under Vulcan/OpenGL -> Choose nativ

[prisma wasp]

Huge!

[torn elm]

Have v sync off, the latency is atrocious compared to g sync

[grim trail]

meca is fat gotta feel like the Uncle iroh of tech atm

[torn elm]

sometimes...kinda lmao

but there are FAR far more intelligent people than me on tech esp on discord, im a normie compared to them

[grim trail]

ik

same goes for me

but for some reason you are always on

so, if i have a camera, can i transfer the pictures by USB?

its not a real big one that photographers use

its something like a go pro

ig im gonna find out 🫡

it worked

takes bad pictures but that makes them look better....

[torn elm]

yeah

[torn elm]

ahhh the vintage look

[grim trail]

ik

have to play fortnite with my little cousins 🥀

[stiff glade]

I have a 3050 laptop GPU with 4gigs of vram, what are the chances I can run tda at a stable 60?

Forced ray tracing has me worried

[prisma wasp]

Low to none, you need 8gb minimum.

[grim trail]

how do you imagine playing anything with a 4 gigabyte ram laptop other than Half life 1

[wicked lynx]

At least it’s portable tho

[stiff glade]

Everything runs on 4 gigs of vram if the optimisation isn't shit 😒 haven't tried VR I wonder if that would become the sensible choke point

[grim trail]

anyone so bored that he would rate the games on my PC?

[wicked lynx]

F, no Half Life Opposing Force

[grim trail]

https://tenor.com/view/ultra-sad-memes-complitation-gif-25942543

i gotta do what i gotta do

[wicked lynx]

https://tenor.com/view/blonde-beard-smile-gif-21215363

[wicked lynx]

Redeemed

[grim trail]

24,7 kb

[wicked lynx]

Hard drive: destroyed

[grim trail]

why

my internet so bad its taking 10 minutes for not even 25 kilobyte

[prisma wasp]

4 gig isn't a lot, most modern games require 8, with 6 at an absolute minimum.

[grim trail]

he can still run powerpoint though!

[prisma wasp]

Especially at this point; 4 just doesn't cut it anymore, it hasn't for about half a decade. You'd need to either get a new laptop, or a desktop with 8GB minimum in order to play TDA on low.

[grim trail]

or just get yourself 16 GB and be set

[prisma wasp]

You'd also need to make sure you have an 8 core CPU, as well as at least 16 gigs of RAM, though I highly recommend getting 32.

16 is the absolute bare minimum, but 32 puts you in a far more comfortable spot.

Especially with games requiring more RAM.

[grim trail]

a N64 has 4 megabytes so atleast he can play Banjo Kazooie

and run like 100 banjo kazooies at one time

[prisma wasp]

[grim trail]

what

its true tough

[grim trail]

why you have your pronouns in your name

[prisma wasp]

Please don't ping me, and it's to make sure people that can think and breathe at the same time get them right.

[grim trail]

thats truely a hard task for most discord users

[prisma wasp]

Please don't ping me.

[grim trail]

i wont

[prisma wasp]

ty.

[grim trail]

how do people even come up with usernames

im still using the same PSV name i gave myself when i was younger

[prisma wasp]

A better question for general.

[stiff glade]

For crying out loud learn to read

I said VRAM not RAM

[torn elm]

Dawg 😭

[torn elm]

Btw nix, I think that people under 8 cores might be able to play tda, despite it being in the minimum spec list.

1. People have been able to do that for eternal (playing under minimum spec)

2. The 5600 and 7600 and 9600 and 12400f market of users is too big for id to hardlock out of, I don’t think it should be an issue considering the games are insanely optimized

[prisma wasp]

Yes, and if you'd have paid attention to the conversation, your question was answered. 4 gig is not enough, get a better laptop with an 8 gig card or get a desktop with an 8 gig card. Please, for crying out loud, learn to read the conversation.

[prisma wasp]

You probably can, but personally, I still think it's worth pushing for an 8-core CPU because it's simply a better investment.

I think it's incredibly unwise to constantly be on the bottom end of hardware barely meeting minimum spec, when it would be far better to aim for the middle ground spec, that way you know you're set for pretty much anything that'll come out, because middle ground spec is generally centered around 1440/60.

[torn elm]

ofc, some people dont have it tho, which is why im wondering if they can even play the game

[prisma wasp]

Yeah, that's fair.

[drifting blade]

From the games I know these are pretty good picks, but Half-Life Deathmatch: Source being on your desktop is so random lol

[grim trail]

ask steam

[wicked lynx]

I still have half life source after it got delisted 💀

[stiff glade]

Wasn't speaking to you; and check your privilege/don't ping me the whole shebang, clown.

As far as your "answer" is concerned,
From what metric are you saying 4 gigs is not enough? Everything else runs just fine on the machine, "hasn't been for half a decade" Eternal came out in 2020 and that runs smooth as butter with 4gigs, hell I was able to run the damn thing on Intel integrated graphics

Is forced ray tracing the only way ahead? And that coupled with denuvo must be discussed; simply saying "huyuck get more power" is borderline incompetent, specially if you pretend to be a good source of information afterwards

[stiff glade]

You're right

Barely 3-4 year old card cannot run the game, who thought this was a good idea?

[prisma wasp]

Yeah, don't ping me to whinge.

4 gig isn't enough VRAM for TDA, if it was, it'd be listed on minimum requirements. Meet the 8 gig, or you don't play.

You are required to have a raytracing capable GPU for TDA. If you don't have one, then you need to get one.

[hasty sierra]

People are allowed to not want to get pinged lmao.

[prisma wasp]

I highly advise you read the system requirements properly, and learn to pay attention to the things said to you.

If you cannot meet those requirements, then you simply don't get to play.

Being able to run a 5 year old game on 4 gigs means the game was built to allow cards for that low VRAM. It does not mean you get to use that same card on newer titles that require more.

It left lmfao. womp womp.

[torn elm]

I understand that it might come across as rude but 8 gig is actually listed as a minimum spec for the game, whereas maybe a lower end cpu might be able to run the game, a 4 gig GPU just might not be able to run it at all

[torn elm]

Well, you have to understand that tech ages very differently than everything else

With cars you can drive a 50 year old car but modify it really nicely and change the engine to make it drive amazingly.

With tech even a 5 year old piece of hardware is going to struggle, because unlike a smooth road, the applications keep getting heavier and heavier

[torn elm]

Well I just wrote all that shit for nothing

[prisma wasp]

Unfortunately.

Oh good it's back, so I suppose it wasn't for nothing.

Also you typo'd in the first one; 8 gig is listed as minimum spec, you put 4 lmao.

[stiff glade]

Claiming that a 3–4-year-old GPU being unable to run an upcoming game is just “how tech ages” reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of both hardware capability and software optimization.

A GPU that was released just a few years ago should still be powerful enough to handle modern engines—unless the game in question is poorly optimized or intentionally bloated. Blaming the hardware instead of questioning the developers’ lack of efficiency or the industry's growing reliance on lazy coding practices is a rookie take.

Tech doesn’t "age out" that fast—especially when performance gains in GPUs have been incremental, not exponential.

If a game can’t scale across reasonably recent hardware, that’s not a hardware issue—it’s an incompetence issue on the software side

[prisma wasp]

You clearly don't know how tech works. a 4 year old GPU absolutely will fall behind, new games require stronger hardware.

This has literally been the case since the 80's, the fact you're so hell-bent on arguing a fact of PC tech progression is ridiculous.

Your card is no longer good enough. Upgrade, or you don't play.

If you have that much of an issue of having an outdated system that cannot run the game, go bitch out id for using new tech to make their new game.

[torn elm]

Oop thanks for letting me know

[prisma wasp]

[torn elm]

I’m trying to be nice here because you seem a little misinformed.

Tech from 5 years ago, like a 2080 super or a 3070 ti can absolutely run modern games, the problem is you have a bottom of the line card from 5 years ago, I’d software has the absolutely BEST optimization out of any other franchise, but when it comes to VRAM, you NEED more, and you need fast VRAM, becuase that’s how games work, and that’s how tech works

[boreal dagger]

Hardly. The evolution of tech itself has been going faster and faster in recent years. Keep up, or trip and fall.

Another thing I disagree with, is calling id software "lazy" for "unoptimising" their game. They're not a small time indie crew. They've been doing this for ages. The game itself is massive and very taxing because it's constantly using raytracing for other parts, and it needs to have high processing power to safely run something as intensive as TDA.

[torn elm]

Id software is probably the only company that optimizes their games this good anyways, doom eternal is the best optimised game ever made, and people are still complaining

[boreal dagger]

Yup, the fact it even runs on the switch is amazing

[torn elm]

Yeaaaa, I’d never tolerate any “the game is unoptimized” bs from anyone about the doom franchise

[boreal dagger]

Like the franchise is known for the whole "will it run doom" that's like. Half of the personality of doom fans. The games are well optimised

[torn elm]

Literally, plus I have never seen any game as optimized as eternal, ever, like maybe Titanfall 2 but even that lacks behind

[stiff glade]

You're oversimplifying and trying to sound informed. It’s not about a 5-year-old GPU “aging”—it’s about it being a low-end card to begin with; and still handling other games that are not on the new id tech forced ray tracing well enough, it runs modern games just fine.

You praise idTech for optimization, yet Indiana Jones ran terribly even on good hardware, and Black Ops 6—also with idTech injections this time—is slammed for performance issues.

They have done insanely well in the past, hell if you read what I said earlier I do highlight I beat eternal on Intel integrated graphics, something is wrong this time around; and that is the point.

So no, it’s not the hardware’s fault. It’s poor optimization and devs targeting only the top GPUs. That’s not how tech “works”—that’s how bad development does

[prisma wasp]

🙄 As dense as a doorknob.

Nothing is "wrong" with game development, you simply need to upgrade. Womp womp, it costs, welcome to technology.

Upgrade or be left behind, it ain't on companies to cater to people that won't.

[boreal dagger]

... then why did you get a low end card in the first place? You know it will have issues, so why did you cheap out? This is particularly your fault.

Save up for a new card. Simple.

Mind you, this is coming from a person in the low class.

Sometimes, you miss out.

[torn elm]

we're oversimplifying for YOU, we understand how the actual tech works because we've studied it, nothing is wrong this time around, the tech is just 5 years old, BOTTOM OF THE BARREL tech, you cant get the lowest end gpu that runs like a 1650 and then complain why its not running the latest and greatest game, when doom eternal came out the 20 series was the latest gpu, now we're in the 50 series. So get with the times and dont buy a bargain bin card

[rapid talon]

Hello iam new

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-villager-npc-realistic-real-life-gif-14111312286056087726

[torn elm]

You should prob go to #general

[ruby dock]

Anyone knows what i should upgrade to run the dark ages?
I have: Ryzen 5 2600x
RTX 2060
16gb DDR 4

[boreal dagger]

Here's the pc requirements.

[ruby dock]

Thats going to be hella expensive

[torn elm]

ideally you should rebuild the whole pc, but you really only NEED to upgrade to a 5700x minimum

[ruby dock]

Thats what im thinking ngl but then ideally i should invest alot so when gta 6 comes out it could run it aswell

[torn elm]

well, if thats what you want to do, but you can just spend 150 dollars if you want

or sell your current cpu and buy the new one

[ruby dock]

GPU should be able to handle doom right? But it wont look great im assuming

[torn elm]

it might i think

but i would say get an upgrade for that too

[mortal nest]

Im still scared about that 8 core minimum requirement like if the dark ages is so a Head with its enemys and graphics then I really think it's fine. It

[prisma wasp]

There is the potential it won't be a hard requirement.

Quite a few games run with CPU's that don't meet the core count requirement, but that's no guarantee at all.

If you've got a 6-core, you might be fine, it depends on how the game utilizes each core. If it's spreading things across 8 cores at minimum, then it'll be the hard requirement.

However, we don't know, there's no way to confirm, and I'm certainly not getting it just to find out.

[mortal nest]

Yes i'll have to wait for benchmarks
If my system isn't good enough i'll Just wait a few years but I really hope I get lucky with my 5600x

I tried to say that we all can't say if it is bloated or unoptimized or the best optimized game ever just with high requirements we'll see but saying it's unoptimized before it is even released or beta or anything is a bit crazy

[prisma wasp]

Optimization is something we can expect, id have at least proven they're capable of doing it.

I don't think "bloated" will ever be applicable to a game, regardless of anything added to the game, and honestly, a lot of "unoptimized" claims are from people that simply have poor systems, or systems that they've bottlenecked.

[torn elm]

if not, you can just sell it and buy a 5700x

[humble marsh]

Yo anyone playing today? Or now

[fast violet]

you should be able to upgrade fairly easily to a 5700X or maybe 5800XT. I have seen the 5800XT at good deals on amazon. just remember you will likely need to update your board's BIOS. also maybe upgrade your RAM to 32GB, should be fairly inexpensive

I am kinda annoyed thought that they are requiring RT hardware, I hope we will be able to disable RT if we want

[prisma wasp]

Won't be an option, it's baked into game systems.

It's not just being used for graphics.

[fast violet]

ah that's a shame. I usually turn off RT for better FPS

[prisma wasp]

Going forward, it's going to become even more of a requirement as more games start utilizing the newer tech.

[fast violet]

that's too bad

[prisma wasp]

Eh, it's how computing goes. People need to keep up to play modern titles.

I think people that cut corners and cheap out should have to live with the fact they're simply not going to be able to run games that do utilize newer tech.

To an extent, it applies to more than just GPU's as well; there are games that require the use of an SSD to be played, because a HDD simply cannot load things fast enough for it to be playable.

[fast violet]

yeah I agree, one should keep up with modern, or at least capable hardware. I especially see no excuse for a computer not to have an SSD. (though I get HDDs for bulk storage like on NAS) what irks me is when something like RT or upscaling becomes the norm, with no options to turn off or configure. also it could be argued that RT is just an Nvidia marketing ploy, but I get that it is an option some could want

[prisma wasp]

Thing is, RT is not restricted to Nvidia cards, so it cannot be a marketting ploy; both Intel and AMD can also do raytracing, though both have significantly weaker capability of it.

Having a HDD for gaming or a primary OS drive is a terrible decision, though I support having one as a mass storage drive for photos, videos, things like that.

But this is what tech has done since the 70's; we adopt new standards, it's going to happen with raytracing and DLSS, eventually something else will come out and that'll become the norm to.

[fast violet]

yeah true, I was surprised the requirements didn't say anything about the ARC cards

[prisma wasp]

I think it's mostly because the Arc and Battlemage cards are relatively new, and they don't particularly expect a lot of people to have them.

It's easier to say Nvidia / AMD cards because those are the overwhelming majority.

[fast violet]

yeah, they are new and low volume. I just hope they aren't left out with some incompatibility on release lol

[prisma wasp]

I'd love to see Intel cards become significantly more mainstream as they make stronger, newer cards to truly compete with Nvidia and Radeon; the more competition, the better.

I doubt they'd somehow be incompatible, they meet the requirements listed since they're equipped with sufficient VRAM, and capable of raytracing.

[fast violet]

yeah agreed, competition is important, helps us out!

[prisma wasp]

If anything, it'd be on id if the cards aren't compatibile, which would result in immediate backlash.

[fast violet]

yeah, that would look bad. Though now it seems I won't be able to play Doom Dark Ages at Quakecon. For Quakecon I bring a secondary travel comp, with a 5700XT. Of course there is plenty else to play there, and I could upgrade the card, but honestly I dont really see the need to

[prisma wasp]

Technically the card is capable, it's just not very good at raytracing.

A travel system is a nice idea, something I kind of want to look into, but I already have enough to spend on my main lmao.

[fast violet]

my understanding was that RDNA doesn't support RT, not until RDNA2

[prisma wasp]

It gets software raytracing, but the performance is not good.

6000-series cards, if we stick to AMD, get hardware RT, but the 5000's are capable of software, it's just that because they lack the hardware on the card for hardware accelerated RT, the performance is, for lack of a better term, dogshit.

[distant wave]

New Slayer controller has a Hidden Daisy sketch where the batteries go

[fast violet]

cool!

[simple wren]

WOAH

ITS SO GORGEOUS

[torn elm]

That is a beauty

[torn elm]

Wired mice are so ass

[slate brook]

My mouse is wired

It’s not horrible

[torn elm]

Whenever I use wired mouse they feel ass

[hasty sierra]

Whenever I use wireless mice I feel the same

Same with wireless keyboards

Actually, that’s more so that I forget to charge shit and then my stuff randomly dies

Or the battery decides to kill itself

[torn elm]

My guy is using bad wireless mice and keyboards

[slate brook]

Damn

[gritty oak]

Im gaming with a steel series areox 3 wireless and it's fire. It's only ever died on me twice and ive been using it for the better part of a year

[torn elm]

So real

[rapid talon]

Minecraft

Please be my free

Please be my friend

[torn elm]

Whar

[pseudo parcel]

do you guys think a 1440p monitor would be good for a pc like mine? here's its specs
RX 6700 XT
R7 5700X3D
32 GB RAM

[torn elm]

I mean ofc the best kind of 1440p monitors are OLED’s, but their price range starts at 650 dollars

@pseudo parcel

But your best course of action is to sell your GPU and buy a higher spec one

[pseudo parcel]

are the specs I have really not enough for 1440p?

[torn elm]

they're enough, just wont be a good experience

[pseudo parcel]

I like playing games I own at least 60 fps, though I rarely get newer games since the start of this decade

[torn elm]

well if thats the case then

id suggest changing gpus, youll get higher fps

[pseudo parcel]

hmmm

still though I'm not sure if all that is worth it because 1080p is still good imo

I will stay with what I have I guess

[torn elm]

well, if you wish, 1440p does make a big difference

[pseudo parcel]

one thing I want to say, I started to feel like my games look worse in motion on my new monitor compared to before

the monitor is still at the max refresh rate (80 hz), I didn't change any settings, yet I feel like my games look choppier/laggier in motion

did something actually happened, or I'm now just used to seeing games at higher refresh rates?

[torn elm]

whats the resolution

[pseudo parcel]

1920x1080

[torn elm]

hmmm

no 80hz wouldnt make a huge difference

[pseudo parcel]

whoops, I meant 180 hz

[torn elm]

oh i see

hmmm, well then you should notice a difference

[torn elm]

You’ve sent this here before lmao

Have you tried verifying the game files?

[hasty sierra]

Nah, bug's caused when you alt-F4 in UN lmao

[torn elm]

Oh boy

Well lucky him it’s the first level

https://www.youtube.com/live/G7s3wIMPXUk?si=kJ8j4m1pRU_3yKth

@prisma wasp the game is most definitely gonna be available on sub 8 core CPUs. Look at the specs this guys running and look at the minimum requirements

[prisma wasp]

That doesn't list core counts though, just speed which the 4590 meets. It'll probably be functional on 6 cores, but nobody'll know until it releases.

Part of me wants it to be restricted to 8 cores because it'll be funny.

[torn elm]

Hmmm truee

[trim wing]

So I'm wondering if I will need to upgrade my graphics card and low key kind of tempted to get that Dark Ages limited edition card

I've been playing games like Indiana Jones and Oblivion Remastered and it's been a very mixed but playable performance on my 3060 12gig

IDTech 8 will likely be very well optimised but I am very worried My current machine won't be good enough

[prisma wasp]

I'd say if you want to get better performance for OR, IJ, and potentially TDA, it'd be worth the upgrade, but the card is still very solid.

That'd mostly come down to whether you want to invest in the 5080.

You'd get significantly better performance, and wouldn't need to worry about the GPU being a bottleneck any time soon, but there is the upfront cost of two grand ish for the card.

[trim wing]

Oh gosh, it's going to be two grandish

Look I might get $1,000 from the government every fortnight but no thank you

Yikes

[prisma wasp]

It's a very expensive collectors piece.

Comes with more than just the card, few different collectors items, but the majority of the cost is the TDA themed 5080.

It's an.. interesting choice for a game themed piece of 'puter hardware.

[trim wing]

even though I can likely afford it, that is a big investment

[prisma wasp]

It's a very expensive piece of kit; in Australia it's about 2 grand for the card alone.

I'm not really sure why they went for a 5080 specifically, but.. it's certainly there.

[trim wing]

I also am kind of worried that my CPU might be a problem With a newer card But I think the 3060 while struggling with recent AAA games still holds up a little bit

[prisma wasp]

Yeah, the 12 gig 3060 is still gonna hold up well, it's a very good card.

[trim wing]

I usually do play older titles though, although playing new ones is just as good too

[prisma wasp]

If anything, I'd honestly say you could probably look into a 4070 super, though it's also 12 gig, or a 5060ti 16 gig model.

Still up there, but significantly cheaper than the at least 2 grand, plus whatever else they charge for all the bonus stuff in the bundle.

[trim wing]

My CPU is a ryzen 5 7600

[prisma wasp]

Oh you'd be fine.

[trim wing]

Thanks for the advice! I love computers, although I'm not entirely knowledgeable on the nitty-gritty of performance

[prisma wasp]

Happy to help!

If you want, there is a video with specifically a 5060ti, though it's showcasing an 8 gig model in the video, paired with a base R5 7600, so you can get an idea of 1080p performance with said combination.

[trim wing]

I wonder if you have any insight on the parts in my XP machine haha

[prisma wasp]

XP is a little before I got into the more techy side of PC's, I'm not super well versed in hardware from around there.

[trim wing]

It's reasonably modern believe it or not

[prisma wasp]

Fair lmao, hit me.

[trim wing]

Intel Core i5 650
With a Radeon R7 200 for it's GPU

[prisma wasp]

Actually pretty not bad, tbh.

[trim wing]

Its from the last few years of Hardweare support for XP

[prisma wasp]

I support it, still a solid setup for an XP system

[trim wing]

Ive been colecting more and more PC Games for it, No Doom 3 Or pre-stream classic colections sadly

But I do have all the quake games, and I played though quake 4 all the way though on it

[prisma wasp]

Honestly fair; it working, and working well, is the important part.

[trim wing]

The only thing it can't run is beta Minecraft for some reason

[prisma wasp]

Minecraft is weird, might be Java shitting out.

[trim wing]

At least through the limitations of the XP operating system, If it was running on Linux it would probably run flawlessly

Which at some point I should put an SSD in it and dual boot

[prisma wasp]

Entirely fair honestly.

[trim wing]

I have 5 computers, My main gaming rig, my XP rig, my laptop, and an office computer. I got at a pawn shop. That was my original retro machine, but I'm eventually going to turn it into a Blu-ray ripper

The fifth one being a '90s ibm ThinkPad that I keep forgetting I need to restore

[prisma wasp]

Honestly fair; I've only got two, my main, and a cheapo one I'm trying to sell lmao.

[coral zinc]

Eternal; couple setup/gameplay settings Q...
a) when in Borderless Windowed Mode, is it possible to have my mouse available outside the game w/o having to Cntl+Alt+Del my way out?
b) in Borderless Windowed Mode, is it possible to set my resolution to something other than my display and have it fill the screen (at same 16:9)?

[prisma wasp]

For the first: alt tab, it's better, and faster.
For the second, no, not really. You'd have to set it to a resolution that's also 16:9, otherwise you end up with wonky sized windows.

[ebon citrus]

yall think rtx5070 on an i7 10700kf is enough for the recommended specs? (like 60 fps on 1440p)

like is a 5070 rtx strong enough to like make it so that an i7 12700kf not necessary?

or should i just upgrade my cpu (and motherboard too i guess 💔 )

[torn elm]

Yes dude your fine, but if you want to upgrade it’s worth it

[oblique nimbus]

I bought a legion go time for gaming

[torn elm]

Nice

[trim brook]

The Dark Age : Hello everyone, do you know if it will be possible to play with keyboard and mouse on SERIES X?

[oblique nimbus]

Indeed

[torn elm]

tho

why tho

[ebon quail]

not sure about kbm support on series x, gonna have to look into that

[civic quiver]

Soooo since the rx 5700 xt doesn’t have raytracing for the dark ages i need to change/upgrade gpus

After a bit of research i found the rtx 2070 super, 3060 ti and the 3070. Wich of these would be the best choice? (Or if there are any other pls say 🙏)

[prisma wasp]

Out of those options, 3070 is the strongest option; if you wanted newer and stronger again, you're essentially shoehorned into the 4070 or 4070 Super. 50-series isn't necessary, so that can be avoided.

Are you using 1080p or 1440p, because for TDA specifically it's actually important.

[civic quiver]

1080p i think

[prisma wasp]

If you're using 1080, a 3070 will be plenty.

1440p you'd have to step up to a 4070 or 4070 super.

[civic quiver]

3070 is maybe barely in my price range sooo 😅

[prisma wasp]

It be like that sometimes. For 1080p, it'll be plenty, and will run pretty much anything you throw at it.

I'd almost suggest a 3080, but they're not produced and scalped to shit so you'd never find one for anywhere near MSRP, so 3070 is the best bet.

[civic quiver]

Ty

[prisma wasp]

[torn elm]

3070 ftw

[civic quiver]

omg i found a 4090 for just $270

[torn elm]

thats a scam

or a broken gpu

[civic quiver]

used - good
right

[civic quiver]

can u identify a gpu for me pls

[torn elm]

Sure

[torn elm]

Yeah the second best GPU on the planet is definitely going for 300 bucks

[spare narwhal]

Just got this new monitor. It’s so good.

[torn elm]

nice nice how much was it?

[spare narwhal]

Like 500$

[torn elm]

oh wtf dude

why dindncha go oled?

[slim bolt]

I hope others were able to pick up a doom controller as well 🙂 I'm gonna have to break it out with doom 64 first 🙂

[prime gate]

Me and my dad built a PC with a 4070 TI SUPER (before the 50 series came out but the motherboard is 5000's compatible) and a 11th gen Intel and 64 GB of ram and a 3.5 TB SSD and a series of 1 TB HDDs set up in a RAID.

first father and son computer project

[slim bolt]

Nice man @prime gate congrats

I have a 4080 laptop but I am going to buy a pre built 50 series desktop after the super series is released , but you have a powerful build 🙂

Enjoy doom dark ages 🙂

[prime gate]

Ive beaten Doom eternal so many times preparing for it so I cannot wait

[slim bolt]

Same , I'm 32 but I played doom since the late 90's , I missed the original doom games haha

[prime gate]

My first one was doom 64 on project 64 when I was 11-12~ and I'm 21

[torn elm]

This is so sick

[torn elm]

Congrats dawg, I bet the project felt awesome to do!

[prime gate]

It was! We were talking for weeks on the theoretical specs as my dad saved up ~3,500$ for the project we named phoenix

[torn elm]

thats VERY very cool, also the choice of GPU is excellent, 4070 ti super is one of nvidias best mid tier options in my opinion, and the storage is very good alongside it too, hows pheonix treating you guys?

[prime gate]

I fully agree! I played some RTX remix games and they ran just fine at DLSS 4 quality

[torn elm]

DLSS 4 is excellent, especially after the transformer model came out

you cant even tell its on

[prime gate]

She's been doing what my dad needed to use her for (video editing and image/video rendering and occasional gaming)

[torn elm]

ohhhh interesting interesting

[prime gate]

My dad gave me his 2060 mobile to share with my brother but I knew it couldn't run TDA so dad told me I can play it on Phoenix!

[torn elm]

ahhh pretty dope

[prime gate]

Yeah it's monitor is 144hz and for games that can run at higher fps and have RT (like for instance Persona 3 Reload) (it has RT and SSR which I have set to run in hybrid RT in UE4 settings and UE4 upscaling at 85 and 120fps)

I tried forcing it to 144fps via mods but the game would stay on a black screen when booted

And no it's not VRR sadly

The laptops monitor that is

[torn elm]

your dad should get an oled

[prime gate]

Heh

Yeah but IDK how much a cheap display port OLED would be

[torn elm]

all oled's use display ports, and if your in the US you can get an oled for like 500 bucks

[rocky dawn]

hello so I tested my laptop, this is the result that came out when I looked up minimum settings. do you think I can run doom the dark ages smoothly on low settings? I can't buy a new pc yet, I'm saving money for a trip to japan

idk if I should purchase doom the dark ages on day 1 since I want to play it so badly on its release date or should I just be patient and save for a new pc before playing it

[boreal dagger]

I think you can run on low to medium settings at 60fps, idk how you got 28 gigs of ram, that's interesting

Here's the requirement sheet

[rocky dawn]

its the only thing that's upgradable from my laptop so I had it upgraded to 28 gb

I'll have to buy a proper pc in the future

[hasty sierra]

He means that it’s a weird number of RAM that’s usually not seen

[rocky dawn]

oh I see

[hasty sierra]

Anyways, the game apparently has a hard NVMe requirement

[boreal dagger]

They usually come in bits of 8, interesting to see 28 gigs

[hasty sierra]

If your laptop lacks that, dunno if it’ll run

[boreal dagger]

I mean. It's pretty odd to have that as a forced requirement

[rocky dawn]

is there any way to check that?

[hasty sierra]

SATA is genuinely slower

[boreal dagger]

Hrrr true

[hasty sierra]

I’d usually just crack the thing open, but there’s probably an easier way

I haven’t had a prebuilt or a laptop in ages, so I usually know the exact specs of my computers

Y’could check the drive name and just look it up online

[rocky dawn]

well, guess the best way is to just buy the game on release date and if it doesn't work out, I'll just keep it in my library until I get a better pc

[hasty sierra]

Yeah, probably that

[rocky dawn]

but I have faith in how Id optimizes their game. 2016 and eternal did not fail so I'm hopeful for this one too

apparently it does

[boreal dagger]

Oh neat

[torn elm]

oh yeah, you're save nothing to worry about lmao, maybe just need more storage is all.

Also i think you should just go ahead and play it

[rocky dawn]

ah, thats a relief

I'll just have to uninstall my yakuza games

[torn elm]

id say get a 2 tb SSD, it costs bout 110 dollars but its worth every penny

[rocky dawn]

I'd consider it after I paid my expenses and got enough spare money

[torn elm]

absolutely

[stark ridge]

The problem is the RTX 3060 laptop... this GPU has only 6gb of VRAM

That site that I know doesn't take into consideration the VRAM

[stark ridge]

And yes, DE and D2016 are really optimized, but this time the raytracing feature will make very hard to old gpus (not even that old) to run DOOM TDA (VRAM, power and etc...)

But nothing it's done up to the realease date. So we can only pray now

[desert halo]

2000-series from 2018 can run it, I'm sure it'll be fine

[prisma wasp]

6 gigs might work, hard maybe.

[desert halo]

steam says 2060 Super (8GB) or better

[prisma wasp]

It's the VRAM that matters. So long as it's an 8 gig card or better, you can run the game.

Has to be raytracing capable though, otherwise no.

[desert halo]

...yes, hardware unboxed has done a few videos around what happens when VRAM runs out

[prisma wasp]

Can't wait for the influx of "my 6 gig card can't run this game!".

[desert halo]

reading is hard :D

[prisma wasp]

Far too many people don't update then complain they can't run something, it's exhausting.

[rocky dawn]

so I can't play the game on release date then? 😔 pain

[prisma wasp]

Hard maybe.

We have no way to confirm if a 6 gig card will actually run the game. Maybe it'll barely make it for low settings, maybe it won't.

[rocky dawn]

if only I have the option to disable raytracing

[prisma wasp]

There won't be the ability to turn it off.

It's built into a lot of things, might even be part of the audio system.

Raytracing is a hard, hard requirement, there will not be an ability to remove it.

[quaint copper]

my ryzen 7 2700x is getting bottlenecked so badly i cant get 30+ fps on roblox itself

smth better that i can afford (i have 4060ti)

[desert halo]

I'd look at getting the 5700X3D if your motherboard can support it

[quaint copper]

a\

okk

[dreamy wind]

Do you think my ryzen 5 5600x would be able to run dark ages?

I know it’s only 6 cores but I know that zen 3 is faster than zen 2 cores

[buoyant dune]

Can my PC run Doom The Dark Ages on the recommended and/or Ultra 4K settings? Image shows what my PC has, haven’t upgraded since I bought it two years ago

[dreamy wind]

With the 3070 no. Maybe medium settings if we’re being generous but it just doesn’t have enough vram to run it at 4k ultra

[buoyant dune]

What would you recommend to replace the 3070 with?

[dreamy wind]

What’s the budget?

[buoyant dune]

For just replacing the GPU or the entire build?

[dreamy wind]

Gpu

And which brand?

[buoyant dune]

Doesn’t really matter the budget if the gpu I get has a better overall performance than the 3070

[dreamy wind]

If you want AMD then go for the 9070 xt if you can find one for a good price

[buoyant dune]

I’m thinking of getting the parts at a Micro center store and having the technician install it, will that be a good idea?

[dreamy wind]

Nvidia you can go with the 5070 ti

[dreamy wind]

Best option if you have one near you. They might actually have those cards in stock. Just make sure to confirm on the website before going there.

You should also do some of your own research to see what fits best for you.

[buoyant dune]

Closest Micro center is about an hour away

[dreamy wind]

I would say check on the website if they have the card available and then head over there if they do

Otherwise you can search through Amazon and look for it

[buoyant dune]

Do they usually have stock problems ?

[dreamy wind]

Sadly we are in a graphics card shortage right now so everything is either out of stock or more expensive than it should be.

[wheat ivy]

Doom Eternal has annoying bug that makes UI stuck when you want to enter Settings page. Pls fix this! This has happened multiple times and the only way to fix this currently is to Alt + F4 and relaunch the game and then maybe it will allow you to enter Settings page or it will block again.

Steam version btw.

And this has been there for more than a year already and no one cares...

My assumption is that there is threading bug maybe deadlock or something like that.

[candid cape]

@prisma wasp

[prisma wasp]

Can you fucking not?

[candid cape]

dont spread misinfo

[prisma wasp]

Don't fucking ping me.

[candid cape]

why the fuck not? you important?

[prisma wasp]

It's beyond unreasonable to think the game is going to have body hair rendered constantly, especially in a game where you'll have 50-100 people in a server all blowing shit up.

[candid cape]

you said something false and im disproving it. your so ignorant LOL

[prisma wasp]

Do not fucking ping me again, I will not tell you again.

[candid cape]

or what?

[candid cape]

oops. also blocked. dont got time for people who act like they know what they are talking about when in reality they just regurgitate things they see online. sybau

[desert halo]

[candid cape]

😭