speedrunning

[stiff turret]

yeah sometimes you need breaks

if you keep on going the exhaustion will just drag you down

[thorn cape]

yeah

A lot of people can't do a lot of grinds at once but the main culprit for me is torturing myself with a single run for too long

I can do a fair amount of grinds at once, just not one continuously and continuously

[mortal turtle]

im interested in speedrunning classic doom but i have no clue how to save demo files i use crispy doom

[vapid cloud]

-record NameOfTheDemo

Do you know how to use command line arguments?

[mortal turtle]

no

[vapid cloud]

Well its a bit hard to explain, but here it goes

Open CMD
Drag crispy-doom.exe to the CMD
Write -iwad
Drag doom.wad or doom2.wad
Write -record NameOfTheDemo

In the end, it should look something like:

C:\desktop\crispy-doom.exe -iwad C:\desktop\doom.wad -record ahahahFunnyName

[mortal turtle]

thanks

do i have to write that every time i play?

[vapid cloud]

You can create .bat files

Find a tutorial online

[magic scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUoKCmqQkEk

first run i submitted to dsda back in april is now on yt hooray

and a bonus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiF1QOVGu7k

[thorn cape]

nice

[harsh elbow]

sr50

[wheat talon]

https://youtu.be/grK7qmLEoC0

[thorn cape]

gg

[wheat talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZSpCMym7po

I was literally just now trying to beat my personal best for level 3 and I tied it, even the miliseconds

[stiff turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WupVhvzAgE

thanks to aconfusedhuman for the void glide tutorial

lost a lot of time because of really shaky hands

[stiff turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iS0XR3QBlg

[vapid cloud]

@stiff turret if you want to record the screen with audio, you might wanna try this: https://www.cultofmac.com/681197/blackhole-mac-virtual-audio-driver/

Also, https://obsproject.com gives you better framerate than quicktime (im assuming thats what you are using)

[stiff turret]

yeah i was using quicktime

[vapid cloud]

But great vid, Ive never done that glide yet

[stiff turret]

thanks 😄

[loud arch]

I use obs it’s pretty good @stiff turret

[mellow wraith]

Nice!

[stiff turret]

thanks 😄

[marble drift]

can anyone send me a link on how to get into tas in ultimate doom?

[thorn cape]

If you have questions about TAS, you should join the hell on earth server

but just note, theres not just one simple link thatll teach you how to make TASes like a pro, its extremely hard

at least, to make built TASes frame by frame

If you want to make segmented TASes or slo-mo TASes, then I still recommend asking in the hell on earth server

just generally, speedrunning questions are better off there, theres way way more people well-versed in these topics, generally not many speedrunners here

[marble drift]

thanks for the quick response. i really appreciate it

[thorn cape]

😄

[marble drift]

no i mean it, that is at least a starting point 👌

[thorn cape]

yeah I knew you were genuine :p

[marble drift]

the only thing i still need to know... is the "hell on earth server" a discord server? 🤔 😂

[stiff turret]

@marble driftit is, the speedrunning server

and as far as I know XDRE is the most common way to build TAS runs

but some aren't built, some things like Auto-SR50 are counted as TAS too and thus a run needs to be marked as TAS if you use it unless you speedrun the Unity Port, in which case it has its own separate category all together(Any%)

[marble drift]

that's nice. thanks!

[thorn cape]

the unity port can't record demos, so the dsda couldnt care less whether it would be marked as TAS or not :p

oh I read that message wrong

[vapid cloud]

Do you want the link?

[loud arch]

Message to me

[vapid cloud]

ok

[thorn cape]

@stiff turret 7th death past rocket launcher on tnt09 today

lol

[stiff turret]

damn feels bad 😬

[marble drift]

yes, please, would be great

[loud arch]

This profile picture is better

[stiff turret]

i'll send you one in dms

[unborn venture]

What games can we speedrun

[vapid cloud]

All iwads

• every freaking pwad ever made

Check https://dsdarchive.com/

Classic Doomers dont use speedrun.com

[stiff turret]

^

speedrun.com is pretty lax with its rules so its not that good

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/2ukeeYghwTg

[stiff turret]

nice

[vapid cloud]

Damn. Sunlust speedrunning

MAP29 when?

[thorn cape]

UV-max? oh soon

not a speedrun, just UV-max in general

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/inaau_gCwZo

[vapid cloud]

Hey its possible to go through the door when going down the stairs, before it start closing right?

Other than that, that was an amazing run

[thorn cape]

I think by a frame or 2 at best

it is insanely tight

it may not be possible tbh actually

Deprav's 19.37 reaches the door and bumps into it very softly while it closes

thank you :)

[vapid cloud]

Im getting better and better:
11.00
10.66
10.54
UV e1m1

I still have no idea how to get 8 tho.
Looks like black magic

[thorn cape]

nice :)

[stiff turret]

nice

[vapid cloud]

Close to 9s

[stiff turret]

nice

[thorn cape]

gg

[scarlet tundra]

gg

[stiff turret]

gg

[scarlet tundra]

gg

[thorn cape]

@stiff turret got 12.34 on e1m4 nomo today
saying cause it was the first run you did, wasnt it 😄

I'll upload when I get 11, but I can't guarantee that I'll bother with it

obnoxious bridge jump is annoying

[stiff turret]

yeah that bridge jump is inconsistent

TomatoTom hated it

[stiff turret]

i dont remember much but yeah i think its the first level i actually started speedrunning on

[thorn cape]

yeah everyone hates it 🤣

the setup is actually quite consistent but it busts the time up to about 13-16 lol

[stiff turret]

yikes that a pretty big time gap 😬

[thorn cape]

yea it depends how fast you do the setup

but even if your setup is instant, best youll get is still like 13 😅

[stiff turret]

i remember my best being a 16 lol

im very sure i can beat that now

yep 16.34

nice

[golden stream]

Bro nice

My best is 12 I still cant beat it

Mine exactly is 12.80 but wasi does the 80 mean

Milliseconds

[stiff turret]

ye

[magic scroll]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wModsadNFT4

no times for this wad at all on dsda

[golden stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itlf-6ju9uo

[vapid cloud]

Just got my first WR

E1M2 Collector

[thorn cape]

what was the time?

gg, I might try the run for fun, I have no runs to do right now 😅

[vapid cloud]

1:09.23

[thorn cape]

can't really grind much as my mouse is jacked, ordering a new one today

[vapid cloud]

I ran with trackpad

[thorn cape]

I can't play with trackpad at all lol

Could I see the demo?

[vapid cloud]

Im going to try to get 1:08

[thorn cape]

You can DM it if not here

[vapid cloud]

The previous WR was 1:09.57

ill post it in doomworld in like 2hours, cuz I have stuff to do rn

see ya

[thorn cape]

Alright, bye

[stiff turret]

hm seems interesting

lemme try to beat it

[thorn cape]

I got a 1:01 earlier

sub 1 is probably optimal, but its an easy run to just bump into stuff 😄

[vapid cloud]

Im trying e1m3 rn, and its the 5th time a linedef is not triggering

[thorn cape]

E1M3 NoMo?

[vapid cloud]

Colector

[thorn cape]

Hm, I see

[vapid cloud]

After I pick up the rocket launcher

I tied the WR for e1m3s

[thorn cape]

E1M3 secret exit?

[vapid cloud]

yea

its faster than regular exit

There is a problem in dsdarchive

the e1m3s demo is inside the zip for the e1m3

[thorn cape]

Could I see the demo of yours

[vapid cloud]

For the WR

[thorn cape]

Also report that demo in the hell on earth server

[vapid cloud]

ah dont have it

It automativly deletes

Cuz im trying to get a better time

[thorn cape]

I'm sorry, but the record is 26 for secret exit.. Its quite optimized 😅

I find it kind of hard to believed that you tied 26 and decided to keep grinding, or maybe I misunderstand something

[vapid cloud]

Its for the Colector

[thorn cape]

oh, collector

[vapid cloud]

These are the WRs

[thorn cape]

My bad, didnt mean to call you out

Just was a bit confused

[vapid cloud]

Im tired of running for UV-speed

its crazy optimised

[thorn cape]

That can be demotivating yeah

[golden stream]

When is wipe today?

[thorn cape]

But I'd say run whatever the hell is fun tbh, can't expect to get WRs from the start, we practice to get em :^)

[thorn cape]

?

[golden stream]

Is today wipe?

[thorn cape]

what is wipe

Oh, is this some shitty joke

[golden stream]

Server wipe

[sweet raft]

@golden stream This is not an Ark Server.

[golden stream]

F

Sorry

[thorn cape]

A server wipe? 🤔

[sweet raft]

@thorn cape This is not an Ark Server.

[thorn cape]

oh, uh.. alright

[vapid cloud]

ohh, just beat e1m3 Colector by 2 seconds

[thorn cape]

gg

[stiff turret]

collector does not seem to be a very commonly run category

just got a 1:13, the run could definitely improve with some SR50 added in

[vapid cloud]

Its not a popular category, but I find it very fun

[stiff turret]

yeah

i cant sr50 properly cuz trackpad

[vapid cloud]

I cant sr50 cuz no

I have no idea how to do it

[stiff turret]

oh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yejO82psmHI

this is what I used

[vapid cloud]

Why right click?

[stiff turret]

whenever Im recording demos i always create a folder where the demos go so when I try to restart the level my desktop doesn get filled with demos lol

[vapid cloud]

Why does the guy do this?

[stiff turret]

its the strafe on key

basically it allows you to strafe right and left with your mouse

but it locks your ability to turn

[vapid cloud]

ok thanks

ill try when I get a mouse

[stiff turret]

thats why SR50 on turns is a tas feature

its possible to do on trackpad as ive done it before but its really hard

a lot of the times the trackpad won't register a right click and do left click instead

which just shoots my pistol

[vapid cloud]

btw, do you know in what thread I should post my collector run?

[stiff turret]

hm, if there is a collector thread on doomworld i suppose you could post it there

[vapid cloud]

Im not finding it

ill post on the ultimate doom thread

[stiff turret]

yeah thats where you post it

that was the link i was gonna share but vega is a dum dum

[vapid cloud]

Just delete the https:// from the beguining of the link

VEGA goes crazy

Like this

www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/55560-ultimate-doom-demos-complevel-3/?page=28

[stiff turret]

yeah

[thorn cape]

collector is just a category so there's no specific thread for it
post it in the thread of whatever wad it is, or the PB thread if it is NOT a record

[vapid cloud]

E1M1 Pacifist NoMo is much easier

Just needed 20 tries

[stiff turret]

nice a 9

only SR40?

[vapid cloud]

my best on UV-speed is 10.03

When I get a mouse imma destroy this level

[stiff turret]

pacifist runs can count as UV-Speed runs too

[vapid cloud]

oh I meant nomo

[stiff turret]

oh

sheesh 1:09.86 collector

[thorn cape]

E1M2?

[stiff turret]

yeah

i fucked up on a lot of things tbh

[vapid cloud]

nice

I got 1:51 in e1m7 collector

There are no runs on dsdarchive so I cant compare

But Im pretty proud of it, the route is crazy

I had to open Slade to find where the chainsaw was, I didnt know there was one in that level

[stiff turret]

dammit i could've gotten a 1:08

but i fucked up doing SR50 to the last elevator

1:09.83

[vapid cloud]

@thorn cape do you sr50 on the first room of e1m1?

[thorn cape]

yes

[vapid cloud]

In your run you get 1.97 to the first door (iirc), but I can only get 2.17

[thorn cape]

In the 9.03?

[vapid cloud]

yea

[thorn cape]

optimal for human is 1.89 but thats insane, a good first door is 1.94 around
try to SR50 through the pillars

oh wait, trackpad

buy a mouse :p

[stiff turret]

yeah lol

i've tried doing SR50 past the pillars

very hard but its doable

[vapid cloud]

I have this, but the left button is broken

[stiff turret]

i think that in e1m2 you can grab the chainsaw a bit earlier instead of waiting for it to completely lower down

FUCK

i was like 1-2 frames off from a 9

9.94

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/858073191734181898/Screen_Shot_2021-06-25_at_3.56.26_PM.png

NoMo

[thorn cape]

yea thats what I did

[vapid cloud]

Same time I got

Nice

[stiff turret]

hohoho

9.89 wow

thats like a 1 frame difference

[golden stream]

sr-100

[vapid cloud]

nice

[vapid cloud]

NoMo

So, I can sr50 with trackpad

Heres my setup:
wasd for movement
qe for turning
Shift for strafe

This way I dont have do right click the trackpad

[loud arch]

Why not just use mouse

[vapid cloud]

Because I dont have one

[vapid cloud]

This is the only I have, but its broken

[loud arch]

Damn

Why not just get a new one
Micr aren’t that expensive, right

[vapid cloud]

ik

But I havent bought one yet

[vapid cloud]

Just got the WR for E1M2 Stroller

0:47.00

Previous WR was 0:48

[vapid cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCqS0YLtfng

[thorn cape]

nice

[vapid cloud]

Map08 NoMo 100% secrets in 1:17

Im pretty proud of my route

With sr50, sub 1:10 is very possible

[stiff turret]

thats a good setup, also how do i use blackhole lmao i dont really understand it 😅

[vapid cloud]

Are you using OBS or quicktime?

quicktime does not allow you to choose fps, so I recommend obs

@stiff turret

Also, with obs you can record the screen audio as well as microphone audio, with quick time you cant both

ill be back in ~1hour, I can show how to do it then

[stiff turret]

alr

i did record once with obs but idk where the recording went lmao

[stiff turret]

ok yeah after reading the guide i now know where it is

[thorn cape]

I did some e1m3 nomo grinding today

32 is pretty tricky actually, can't imagine how hard 31 must have been for deprav

Multiple 33.0x, and also many 32 paces which screwed the ending lol

[stiff turret]

rip

[vapid cloud]

@stiff turret sry for taking so long, ill DM you

[stiff turret]

alr

[magic scroll]

so the doom wiki says reality demos include no plasma/bfg use, but i see quite a few reality demos use those weapons. Has the weapon limitation fallen by the wayside over the years?

[stiff turret]

pass a demo with plasma or bfg use

[magic scroll]

pass?

[vapid cloud]

I think he means post

Like post in this chat

[magic scroll]

https://dsdarchive.com/files/demos/vanguard/25666/vg07y356.zip

[vapid cloud]

lemme take a look

[magic scroll]

also this comes to mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdda0DuFvM

although its tagged almost reality because of damaging floors

[vapid cloud]

yeah maybe the demo should be reported

[magic scroll]

lol geez, now i feel bad. im just wondering if its a requirement still or if reality has shifted to just no damage runs?

[vapid cloud]

The wiki says it does not allow plasma/bfg

Those were the rules on compet-n, maybe dsdarchive has different rules

[magic scroll]

although the wiki says compet-n never adopted it as a category 🤔

[vapid cloud]

well in dsdarchive its also not a category, it just says "also reality" under the demo

[magic scroll]

its confusing

[stiff turret]

yeah

[magic scroll]

i was trying not to create a pointless thread, but i'll just post over on DW and see what answers I get.

thanks for the help

[vapid cloud]

You could try the Hell. on Earth server

[magic scroll]

?

[vapid cloud]

its a discord server for speedrunning

ill DM you

[magic scroll]

hey thx friend

[magic scroll]

well the answer i got was only no damage. no bfg/plasma is rules from the 90s

[stiff turret]

yeah i see that too now

[vapid cloud]

FUCK

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/727127304555331585/858774623319359488/Screenshot_2021-06-27_at_19.23.22.png

Finally got a 9s on e1m1 UV-speed

2050 attempts

600 on them today

It was the first time I didnt fuck up the ending after getting a good second door

Im never playing this level again

On dsdarchive, this time puts me at 7th place for both Pacifist and UV-speed

Im so happy

[vapid cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Uql8gzKVl4

[thorn cape]

nice

https://youtu.be/OIneghr02M4

[vapid cloud]

Damn

Your run takes second place

very nice

[thorn cape]

Thanks :^)

What's 3rd place? I assume its eLim's 32

[vapid cloud]

yea

32:97

[vapid cloud]

E3M5 NoMo 100S in 1:58

Not the best movement, a lot of mistakes, but its a cool route nonetheless

[thorn cape]

nice :^)

[stiff turret]

pog

[quaint pebble]

E1M1 in 1 second

[vapid cloud]

How tf do I make the sr50 jump on e1m4?

[stiff turret]

its a very precise jump

but i think confused has a tutorial for it

or i could record a demo for you

this is just the example i made

[vapid cloud]

This setup is really cool. ill give it a try

ohhh, I did it

Thanks

@stiff turret So do you want me to show you how to viddump?

I found an easier setup imo. I can get this consistently

[vapid cloud]

And now I got the WR for e1m4 collector. Previous was 0:31.60, I got 0:30.00

[thorn cape]

nice

I havent been doing too much grinding lately, my mouse is completely jacked, good enough for a bit of NoMo or pacifist, thats it

I can't be bothered to explain in what ways its broken, but it sucks

I have a G402 coming on Friday tho

That means ev09 grinding again and side-demos too rather than a nomo once or twice a week, lol

[vapid cloud]

Yeah im only doing NoMo/pacifist/collector speedruns cuz playing with trackpad is much harder

[thorn cape]

Getting a new mouse soon?

[vapid cloud]

idk

Maybe next month

[thorn cape]

I see

If your budget is tight, then some mice that are probably quite nice and not too expensive are G102, G203, G402 and G403 are a lot better and aren't that expensive i guess, especially when on sale
I guess the Razer Basilisk is decent and not insanely expensive, idk

I used to have a G300s and its pretty cheap but I can't recommend it, kinda sucks :p

Starts to have clicking issues after 5-6 months

[vapid cloud]

I need a wireless one. My mac only has 2 ports, and they are usually taken by hard drives and dongles

The G603 is cool, but it runs on 2 AA batteries

I wanted it to be rechargable

A bit expensive, but I might go with the Razer Mamba Wireless

[thorn cape]

Oh I see

G502 wireless might be good, not sure about price

The G Pro X is expensive but good from what ive heard

[vapid cloud]

The Razer Mamba Wireless as a custom rgb profile for Doom

[thorn cape]

Those are rechargeable

[vapid cloud]

Nothing can beat this

[thorn cape]

I personally dont care about RGB lol

[vapid cloud]

Its 60 US right now on amazon

[thorn cape]

Thats not bad

[vapid cloud]

I might order it today

[thorn cape]

Cool

I'm getting the G402 like I said

I have a friend, megasphere308, who bought it recently, serves him well

[vapid cloud]

yea its pretty cool, but I really needed wireless

[thorn cape]

If I could have I would have gotten a G403 though, maybe next time

Yeah I understand

[vapid cloud]

I have seen him multiple times in some dsdarchive leaderboards

[thorn cape]

I used to not care for wireless mice but I tried my dads crappy office mouse which is bad but its wireless, and honestly, it feels so good

It has bad click latency and bad shape and stuff but the feeling of wireless was superb

[stiff turret]

ooh, haven't seen this setup before, thanks

[thorn cape]

thats a good setup

but when I run e1m4 I dont use a setup :p

e1m4 is such an unfun grind

I guess nm100s is fun, NoMo 100s too

because you use a rocket for the jump, making it 5000x more consistent

[vapid cloud]

NoMo 100s in 25s

[stiff turret]

mhm, that bridge jump is so annyoing to pull off especially in UV runs

[vapid cloud]

WR is 20s. Depr4vity is insane

[stiff turret]

i think i may have accidentally stayed up all night playing doom when i have work today :P i think i slept for like only 3 or 4 hours lol

[stiff turret]

yeah thats SR50 and good movement for you :)

[vapid cloud]

I mean, who needs sleep anyway

[stiff turret]

hm tru tru

[vapid cloud]

Here is a even better setup

Ignore the fact that I failed opening the door

[stiff turret]

dammit i would've gotten a 14

if i didnt get stuck on the door

[stiff turret]

well i almost got a 13 but i got stuck on the door a lil bit

this took about 195 attempts

decided to learn how to name files correctly, that's the correct naming scheme

[thorn cape]

nice

I played a bit of e1m4 today, got shit times though

also tried e1m4os, its just e1m4o but more obnoxious because its 9 seconds longer

I think I got a 13.97 nomo, thats it

I need me my 11 already smh

Ive also started grinding some e2m7 uv-speed, nightterror recommended that I snatch a 13-14 as the only 13 is a cheated demo and then the best after that is a 15

[stiff turret]

e2m7... oh that level

with the rocket jump to the exit at the end

[thorn cape]

UV-speed uses a different strat

momentum off of imp to exit door, oddly obnoxious

[stiff turret]

oh right that's single segment

yeah no rl in e2m7

[thorn cape]

there is, RJ used in the NoMo

But this strat is faster for the IL

NoMo, well, theres no imp, ya can't do it :p

[stiff turret]

so wait you wallrun off an imp?

that seems obnoxious

[thorn cape]

get imp into a reasonable position, run into it while shooting it to move it out of the way kinda

its strange, ive got it a few times in practice

[stiff turret]

that seems so rng based

[thorn cape]

not in a real run yet

[vapid cloud]

Thats normal NoMo right? I think NoMo 100s uses "os" isntead of "o"

[thorn cape]

Why would he have a 14.57 on e1m4 NoMo100s? :p

[vapid cloud]

oh right

I heard him talk about rocket launcher, so I got confused

[stiff turret]

yeah lmao unless i modified the game code to give me SR100

even then i probably wouldn't be able to control it and would get a shitty time

[stiff turret]

yeah np, it was about e2m7

[stiff turret]

so i decided, "yeah imma fuck around and see what i can do"

behold, E1M1 played on -turbo 255 with shitty movement and nomo

[vapid cloud]

ahah nice

[stiff turret]

took about 210 tries for something not significant lmao

i did it for shits and giggles

and yeah i remembered the tas nomo time wrong(i thought it was like 7.60 or below) but its actually 7.91 so i didnt really need the extra attempts lol

[vapid cloud]

btw Im getting a mouse soon. Its the Corsair Harpoon rgb Wireless

[stiff turret]

oh nice

[vapid cloud]

If you are thinking on getting a mouse, this is the best I could find

[stiff turret]

bc i have an air i need a usb dongle to use a mouse lol

[vapid cloud]

This is bluetooth

[stiff turret]

i already have a razer deathadder essential

i originally got it to play mc but i dont play mc that much anymore lol, pvp is way too sweaty

[vapid cloud]

ohhh, I considered that, but bluetooth is essential for me

[stiff turret]

yeah bluetooth is still good

[vapid cloud]

And I can use it wired when Im home. So thats nice

[stiff turret]

but its gotta be a nice quality one because since bluetooth is wireless there may be input lag on the shitty ones :P

its a nice mouse

$50 usd? not bad tbh

[vapid cloud]

Yeah, as I need to take it with me to college, its a bluetooth over performance

[stiff turret]

oh right i forgot i had a wireless mouse but its kinda shitty

but at least its still a mouse

i still have yet to find my razer deathadder in my moving boxes since i moved like 3 days ago

[vapid cloud]

wo new house nice

[stiff turret]

yeah it feels strange

[thorn cape]

my mouse should be coming by the weekend

ive not been doing many runs I care about due to my mouse, lol

just been grinding random shit NoMos and UV-speeds for quite a while

[vapid cloud]

How did this guys from 2000 achived such good times?

My best is 19.23

[thorn cape]

Well, generally speaking, 14 isnt too tight with good movement

I was thinking about bringing that record down to 12-13, Idk though

[vapid cloud]

18.51 now

[thorn cape]

you can make the jump without literally anything, but its probably really hard

[vapid cloud]

Oh so fuck the rocket launcher?

[thorn cape]

yeah

[vapid cloud]

ight ill give it a try

[thorn cape]

but uhh I dont recommend you leave the rocket launcher if you are just doing this to improve movement lol

[vapid cloud]

A WR wouldnt hurt

idk if Im willing to grind it yet

There is no way this jump can be made without a rocket launcher

[thorn cape]

I think you underestimated how obnoxious it was when I said obnoxious 😄

it truly is obnoxious

[vapid cloud]

Im using dsda-doom's tas tools

[thorn cape]

I havent tried the NoMo, only with an imp, which makes it slightly easier I guess

[stiff turret]

yeah boosting yourself off an imp, very obnoxious

[loud arch]

@vapid cloud you speedran e1m1 successfully right

Because now you need to do map01 entryway

[thorn cape]

god, thats an even worse run

I'd rather get 2 8s on e1m1 than get a 4 on map01 nomo

[vapid cloud]

Chalenge accepted

[stiff turret]

oh no not entryway

fucking god

the imp blocking the exit is obnoxious as hell

most of the time he'll walk straight torwards you killing the run instantly

[loud arch]

Oh boy

[vapid cloud]

My best so far is 7.11

My goal is sub 5.80

ill also run NoMo/NoMo100s/stroller/collector

[loud arch]

Fuck you aren’t joking

[vapid cloud]

stasis and told me not to run e1m1, but I did

You tell me not to run map01, but I will

[vapid cloud]

Edit: 6.97

[stiff turret]

running e1m1 hurts bc its so rng based, i dont think i would grind for a 9 bc of confused

[vapid cloud]

When I learnt how to do sr50, e1m1 became much easier

I think its a good level to get anyone started on speedrunning

[vapid cloud]

edit: 6.46

Almost got a 5s. the last imp fucked it up

4.70 when I opened the last door

[stiff turret]

yeah the imp is super annoying

[vapid cloud]

The same happened again

4.66 when I opened the door

I can smell the 5s

[stiff turret]

FUCK

i had such a good run of e1m1 until i failed on the last door

[vapid cloud]

relatable

failing the exit switch is even worst

[stiff turret]

the exit switch is hard to get down, but im just gonna cop confused's strategy

[vapid cloud]

I really like the way I do it. Its weird but feels natural on trackpad

[stiff turret]

he shoots once at the beginning to wake up all monsters so they're not in their idle state and mess up the green room part

[vapid cloud]

I dont. to much rng

[vapid cloud]

But I was talking about the way I approach the last door

[stiff turret]

hm... seems like the best way to press the switch at its earliest frame is to face perpendicular to the switch

[vapid cloud]

edit: 6.26

btw whats your best time for the first door?

mine is 2.11

[stiff turret]

ok i've identified a certain problem which most of the time messes up my sr50

when i press 3 keys at once then try to right click, it wont register as a right click

[vapid cloud]

I use shift

right click just isnt reliable for me

[stiff turret]

im too used to right click to change lol shift feels weird to me

when i use a mouse i use shift for turn left bc its very ergonomic

and i would use space to turn right if i wasnt so used to using it as the use key

[vapid cloud]

I use q / c to turn

[stiff turret]

2.26 for me, looking at my nomo 9.89

[vapid cloud]

confused got 1.97 on his 9.03 run

its insane

If I didnt get sub 2.20 on the first door, I restarted

[stiff turret]

definitely turn perpendicular to the exit switch to hit it early

[vapid cloud]

yea thats what I do

Also, in the second door, I wait for the door to open while standing on the right side. This is useful for messing with the enemies AI

Its just something u should know

[stiff turret]

im so done with e1m1

[thorn cape]

same, man, same

[stiff turret]

WHAT THE

FUCK???

[golden stream]

I might try a DOS Doom run

[stiff turret]

so i decided to look at some e2m6 speedruns and saw different switch presses at the end

so i decided to learn it, and learned it in a feww seconds

[golden stream]

E1

[stiff turret]

second attempt, i break my pb by 2 seconds

what the actual fuck

and now i cant seem to replicate it

sigh

[vapid cloud]

edit: 6.11

edit: 6.03

Finally

11th place on dsdarchive

same time as aconfusedhuman

[thorn cape]

nice

that was the first time I ever submitted, heh

its been probably 6 months since then

[golden stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Pq6FElHBcw

[stiff turret]

i think i might be moving back to the standard rocket void glide in E2M6 rather than the one zero master discovered a few months ago

[stiff turret]

it's a quicker setup but the downside is you have to hold down the movement keys for a longer time

[thorn cape]

ZM discovered both angles 😄

He was the one who found the glide altogether

[stiff turret]

few months ago i probably should've specified lol

[stiff turret]

ooh thats cool

woo, 1 second improvement

i bumped into a lot of walls though so it possibly could've been a sub 20

[thorn cape]

nice

[stiff turret]

two 20s in a row, one 20.23 and a 20.94

sad

[vapid cloud]

Tomorrow ill try e2m6

[stiff turret]

lets see if i can get a 20 using the most recent glide technique

the new technique is pretty annoying that you have to hold it down longer

just use the old one, that one's probably more optimal

[thorn cape]

The old angle IS faster

more damage=more boost

[stiff turret]

yeah

[brittle fossil]

why is the archvile maze so damn hard to speedrun

my record is 55 seconds and i just cant get below it anymore

[quaint pebble]

.

[thorn cape]

plutonia map11 doesn't seem too lenient on movement anyway, but it should be pretty fun 😄

ive been thinking about getting 49 on it (NoMo) but ehhhhh I dont want to learn the route

its not a run which I care about too much, maybe one day

[loud arch]

Oh yeah @vapid cloud instead of map01 you should do map11 of plutonia

[vapid cloud]

Well I already did doom2 map01

I think ill try e2m6 and e2m7 now. Maybe run plutonia map11 later

[loud arch]

Oh shite

[vapid cloud]

@stiff turret great tutorial on the e2m6 glide. I just finished the level in 6:21

wow 1:48

wowowowow 0:43

Im at 6th place on dsdarchive

this was my 4th try

Actually this run was NoMo, so I guess Im at 3rd place

0:49 0:43 with monsters

0:40 0:39 with no monsters

[stiff turret]

i think i might've found a better strat with the switch press but im gonna have to keep practicing it to make sure its actually viable and that im not fluking it

[vapid cloud]

I take like 3 seconds for the switch press

getting the wobble is a bit slow tho

[stiff turret]

im gonna make an updated tutorial with a better glide + different variations of the switch press, the one i made a tutorial for is just the easiest to set up and takes a few seconds

[vapid cloud]

looking forward to it

[stiff turret]

idk why but dsdarchive for me showed only depr4vity's records before it showed other records in 4th - 7th place lol

[vapid cloud]

You need to select "leaderboards"

[stiff turret]

at first it appeared that only depr4vity had sub 1 records but i guess dsdarchive just updated to show other people

[stiff turret]

ah i see

huh...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/860474355091374091/Screen_Shot_2021-07-02_at_6.57.45_AM.png

oh wait, The Shunned has question marks over his runs which i think make it not go on the leaderboards

[vapid cloud]

Have you submitted your run yet?

[stiff turret]

what do those mean? that his run is questionable

[vapid cloud]

yea

[stiff turret]

yeah on Looper's nomo speedrunning thread

[vapid cloud]

None of my runs are in the dsdarchive yet

But I post 4 runs on doomworld already

[stiff turret]

do they only post wrs?

[vapid cloud]

No, but they have to post them manually

These were the last runs uploaded

[stiff turret]

ah, so they take a pretty long time to sort and upload

seeing as the update dates are like 1 month apart

i mean with the amount of demos that are submitted to the threads of doomworld there's no doubt that its a lot

[vapid cloud]

I think that ZM is the one in charge of uploading

[stiff turret]

sheesh only 1 person?

[vapid cloud]

There probably are more people helping him

But iirc is the main person that does that

[stiff turret]

i actually submitted my meme run of e1m1 lol

[vapid cloud]

It goes to the "other" category

[stiff turret]

yeah

didnt realize at the time until i checked lol

[thorn cape]

My new mouse just came 😄

[stiff turret]

i was like "wait this is an actual thing" o_o

[thorn cape]

Should be able to grind TNT map09 and other runs I care about now

[stiff turret]

niceeee

[vapid cloud]

nice

I dont think depr4vity is human

[stiff turret]

could say that about zm too lol

[vapid cloud]

and shockblast

depr4vity's e2m6 nomo is insane

[stiff turret]

yeah

[vapid cloud]

No setup, just a million of tries

My best so far with monsters is 0:34. I want to beat xepop's 0:28

[thorn cape]

nice

[stiff turret]

nice

[stiff turret]

24.71 on E2M6 UV

the switch press was trash

22.60

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/854794877594501143/860510657300791306/Screen_Shot_2021-07-02_at_9.22.01_AM.png

the pinkie and the caco with the switch is so annoying that i just have to rocket them, their movement is so random

but i just have to get lucky ig :/

literally 99% of the time the pinkie and the caco move in frikkin opposite directions taking up the entire room

or i get through them with no difficulty but then the imps come in the fricking room to try and kill me and then fuck everything up

dammit

22.66 🤦‍♂️

FINALLY

GODDAMN

20.80

took 113 tries

[vapid cloud]

I almost got 28 but failed the exit switch

[stiff turret]

rip

i found the best strat for myself is to grab the rl and rocket the pinkie but if i want a faster time i'll probably have to stop doing that

the wobble and the switch press is also inconsistent

[vapid cloud]

I always rocket the pinky

I get triggered when he survives

[stiff turret]

it takes a few seconds for me to get the wobble and sometimes even longer, and i def have to nail the switch press fast

i suppose i can practice that via saving and loading

[vapid cloud]

0:26

fuck yeah

[stiff turret]

nice

[vapid cloud]

Im going to upload this run to youtube

Cuz I wanna show some friends how cool Doom speedruns are

[stiff turret]

having a hard time finding out which siwtch press works best... the timing i just have to nail down intuitively

[thorn cape]

the new mouse is working great, wow

did a TNT map09 NM100s practice session and grinded some E1M1 UV-max

[stiff turret]

nice

oh e1m1 uv max? yikes 😬

lots of rng with the shotgun

the wr is 29 iirc by looper?

[vapid cloud]

e1m1 tyson seems cool

[thorn cape]

yeah lol, I got a 30.4 today

WR is 26 by deprav

[stiff turret]

yeah 26

[thorn cape]

the gap between 30 and sub 30 is quite tough tbh 😄

31-34 is piss easy for me

But below 31 is so stupidly uncommon

Ive gotten like, 2 30s only

[thorn cape]

pistol RNG, very cool indeed

have fun 😂

[vapid cloud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B609JGiMNPI

I still want to improve my time tho

[stiff turret]

why improve it, it's 26.66

[vapid cloud]

ohh didnt even notice

very nice

[stiff turret]

whenever i watch looper's 32 on chasm it still amazes me tbh

oh right i now have the time to make an updated tutorial

brb

[thorn cape]

gg

[vapid cloud]

new pb for e2m6 nomo: 0:25

[stiff turret]

humongous fail, forgot to turn on my fucking mic

[vapid cloud]

You could try recording your voice over the video

[stiff turret]

true

[vapid cloud]

I am now trying ep2 NoMo speedrun

I got 3:39

[thorn cape]

nice

I wanted to run that at one point

[desert path]

Is e1m1 faster to beat on the OG Xbox port because of the secret level?

[thorn cape]

well yeah but you can't categorize both exits as the same speedrun

[stiff turret]

yeah but you cant count them together, as confused said

also did i format my .txt file correctly?

shit i didnt even realize I had a typo

that's the one without the typo in my name

[brittle fossil]

can someone help me

how the heck do you pass the door on e1m6 without it closing

its so confusing to me. idk where the linedef is

[thorn cape]

You need to get a shotgunner under the door while it closes

[brittle fossil]

i see

so there isnt a way to pass it with nomo?

[thorn cape]

Oh, you mean NoMo?
Theres a linedef skip for that

[brittle fossil]

oh

do you have an idea of where it could be

[thorn cape]

depravity uses it in his 52, you can check that out on his YT or the demo on DSDA

[brittle fossil]

ok

[thorn cape]

theres a setup, you dont need to memorize the position of the linedef exactly :p

But I'm not sure how easy or consistent the setup is, ive never tried it 😄

[brittle fossil]

i just looked at his run and omg that skip looks so hard to do

looks hella inconsistent lmao

[stiff turret]

yeah on nomo runs you perform a linedef skip, in real runs you get a shotgunner to stand under the door

[brittle fossil]

alr

[stiff turret]

it actually doesn't look too hard if you know how exactly he's setting it up

[thorn cape]

yea there must be an indicator or something

[stiff turret]

does deprav play 16:9 or 16:10?

it looks like he's playing on 16:10 so im gonna try to emulate that

[brittle fossil]

k

[thorn cape]

He plays 4:3
He just viddumps in 16:9

It looks like 16:10 but I'm pretty sure thats just his status bar, as he does it in 1920x1080

Rather than 1600x900

[marble drift]

really nice time

[vapid cloud]

Thx

[stiff turret]

ah i see

oh more people playing 4:3 lol

do most speedrunners do that anyway and then viddump to 16:9 because its nicer to look at

[vapid cloud]

Both aconfusedhuman ans Stasis Check have a much better time than me tho

I always play on 16:10

[stiff turret]

i feel like 16:9 is always too tall lmoa

16:10 is an improvement but im not used to things looking tall

hm actually i could just ask deprav himself if he's got the time or ask in the speedrunning discord in general

[brittle fossil]

im a noob at speedrunning

yall know the doom 2 master levels right

i speedran the secret level bad dream and thats the only accomplishment i have in speedrunning but even my time got beaten by like 3 seconds in uv speed

but i did that on xbox lol

[stiff turret]

oh wait

I DID IT

[brittle fossil]

ggggggg

[stiff turret]

LMFAO

ok now i just need to find a specific setup for it

[brittle fossil]

does doom 2 master levels use a special midi

[thorn cape]

hm, youre making me want to run it stasis 😄

maybe I can try it

[stiff turret]

ok i did it again, now i just need to pinpoint it down

[marble drift]

yea, but not 2 666 😄

[thorn cape]

?

What does the damage palette have to do with your position, lol

[stiff turret]

yeah idk what im saying, ignore it

trying to find an actual good way of explaining how to and trying to get it again bc so far no success besides those 2 times

[thorn cape]

Ah, lol

[brittle fossil]

well i just got a run of 00:14:77 on bad dream

didnt record it tho cuz im too lazy

[thorn cape]

Are you running on the unity port?

if so, then the e1m6 linedef skip is probably too precise to realistically get

unity lacks mouse strafe, shorttics and vertical mouse movement

it also has auto-SR50

[brittle fossil]

14:40 now wtf

also yes i am running on unity

i was going to speedrun on zandronum bcuz why not but the wad that i found for doom 2 master levels did not have the secret level

i mean it did, you just couldnt click it and boom you were there. you had to go to the express elevator thru the secret exit

and bad dream is bugged on there because i am not able to go thru the first door because the masterminds hitboxes are way too big

and on the unity port you are able to go thru the door which is so dumb

[thorn cape]

Well, zandronum or any zdoom port is not vanilla

The unity port is also technically not vanilla, at least for standard doom speedruns

[brittle fossil]

i know that

i just like using zandronum cuz its fun

also does anyone wanna watch me suffer at speedrunning bad dream

i keep getting 14:49 and 14:51 over and over again

how tf did people get 13:57 on this

[stiff turret]

unity lacks shorttics? geez, cant imagine living without it...

[brittle fossil]

i got 14:23

when i got teleported to the exit room, one of the cyberdemons shot the zombieman and when i teleported, the radius of the rocket pushed me back so i could open the door faster

if i had got the time down to 13 on the other things i had to do, that wouldve been a sick run

i hate these pain elementals

stupid burnt meatballs

alright im done

too painful to play

[stiff turret]

wait which map? this seems interesting to play

[thorn cape]

master levels map21

[stiff turret]

ah

never played the MLs before cuz i heard they weren't that good

[brittle fossil]

most of them are okay

the worst ones imo are definitely mephistos masoleum and attack on titan

everyone should agree that mephisto is buttcheeks

[stiff turret]

submitted my run of E2M6 UV Speed to dooworld, should be 6th place i believe under confused's 18 and 17

[thorn cape]

Failed a 1:01 on e3m1 UV-max ://

I messed up in the very last room and died

had I done it normally, I would have had a 1:01

WR has been 1:02 for some years.. 😅

My best atm is 1:04, not sure if I want to upload that just yet, I'll grind more tonight

[stiff turret]

ripppp

[vapid cloud]

damn

[golden stream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ma81xodPI

epic ghosts effect

[vapid cloud]

Never happened to me

[stiff turret]

try playing nuts you'll get it pretty easily if you try enough

i've gotten it twice on nuts

[vapid cloud]

it works on non zdoom ports?

nuts.wad?

[stiff turret]

yeah nuts runs pretty well on dsda

zdoom im pretty sure fixed the intercepts overflow bc they use real numbers and not fixed point variables

[vapid cloud]

but nuts 2 only works on zdoom right?

cuz of the sprite changes on the chaingunners for example

[stiff turret]

oh that

uh ive never played nuts2 actually, but tomatotom has a run of it i think in prboom+

lemme check rq

yup it was in prboom+

[vapid cloud]

it says it needs zdoom

in the idgames

[stiff turret]

maybe it was viddumped in prboom then, or you could posible try it out in dsda-doom

[stiff turret]

wait is that nuts2

[vapid cloud]

yep

[stiff turret]

oh im talking about original nuts

[vapid cloud]

ohhh ok

decino just started a livestream btw

[stiff turret]

oh nic

[vapid cloud]

hes just picking viewer submissions to play

I submitted a map I made

[stiff turret]

nice

what submission number

[vapid cloud]

wdym?

[stiff turret]

nvm, bc the submissions are numbered

[vapid cloud]

A program is randomly picking them

[stiff turret]

yeah i read the desc

aw yours didnt get picked

[vapid cloud]

My map didnt get picked

[stiff turret]

rip

[vapid cloud]

Mine is named Head on Stick

[thorn cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc_ywROv_uk

[vapid cloud]

damn

wr?

[thorn cape]

Yep

[stiff turret]

yeahhh

you must've been so shaky at the end

[thorn cape]

I was actually pretty calm after I got it, tbh :p

usually I get really shaky and have a high heart rate but I maintained my nerves in this run

[marble drift]

would someone of you be so kind and explain me how to consistently reproduce the e2m7 rocket jump?

i have found an explanation by kingdime on youtube some time ago, but i am not consistent in any way 😦

[thorn cape]

that one comes with feel, to be honest 😄

comes with practice

[marble drift]

really?

[thorn cape]

there is probably a setup somewhere but its just not worth it for a rocket jump so lenient, just get good at winging it I'd say

Yep, its quite lenient and comes with practice

Its not something like doom II map29 where you pretty much NEED a setup 😄

[marble drift]

at least i asked 😄

thanks for the answer

[vapid cloud]

@marble drift this is my setup

Its very consistent and not precise

Once you make successfully once, it becomes very easy

[marble drift]

thanks for that, i will take a look at it

[marble drift]

i love it! many thanks on that. i did not thought on running into the wall to correctly align myself

[vapid cloud]

Thats great to hear. With practice you wont even need a setup

[stiff turret]

nice setup

i could 't get it correctly because I tried using zm's setup which is totally different

[marble drift]

using your setup i finally get that the most important thing is to time the record.
i thought that the most important thing is to get the right alignment 😥

[stiff turret]

second time i was able to walk past the barriers instead of squeezing by (Underhalls)

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/aKQuquYtCs4

[vapid cloud]

You didnt record with -time_use, is it really 9.00? 👀

[thorn cape]

dmed you the demo

no time_use in prb+, or decimal at intermission

I still play in dsda-doom, but viddump doesn't work for me on it on my new laptop

[vapid cloud]

yep 9.00 thats incredible

[stiff turret]

impressive stuff confused

[thorn cape]

thanks

1 frame from that 8 now, lol
I have 17 runs that are 9.0X now

9.00, 9.03 x4, 9.06 x9, 9.09 x3

[stiff turret]

dang

[timber garden]

12 mins

i got 12 mins

[thorn cape]

?

[timber garden]

when i speedran the first time on doom i got a total of 16 minutes and i speedran it again cause my run got rejected for not showing gameplay even though i did at the end of my stream i got 12 minutes

[thorn cape]

You mean episode 1?

[timber garden]

yea itytd

but still a huge time save

[thorn cape]

ah I see, gg

[stiff turret]

if you need help improving its a good idea to look at speedruns from ither people

you can also join the speedrunning discord if you haven't already

[vapid cloud]

Did you record the screen or record a demo file?

Runs are only accepted with a demo file

Also itytd is not a category, so if accepted it would go into the "other" category

If you want to start speedrunning, start with a short level on UV-speed. I started with E1M1

I can DM you the link for the speedrunning server if you want

[stiff turret]

runs are only accepted with a demo file on DSDArchive

[timber garden]

ik

[thorn cape]

@stiff turret hmm

yesterday I was at 17 9.0X, yes?

well, as of today its 23 🙃

12 9.0x in 2 days, what.

[vapid cloud]

I thought you were gonna say 8s

[thorn cape]

how about 8, game?

lol I'd be in here causing a much bigger show if I did 🤣

Today I had 3 9.03 and 3 9.09

and probably like 3 9.11s but I dont count those

well, I'll have 8 soon

then I can finally beat TNT map9 NM100s
and while IM DOING TNT MAP9, I will not start any new big project, to give myself breathing room. :p

but I'll probably practice TNT episode 1 NM100s, plutonia episode 1/2/3 NM100s and maybe doom II NM100s d2all afterwards 🙂

[stiff turret]

wow

i saw that 1 tic off switch press tho, kinda heartbreaking :(

[thorn cape]

yeah

[stiff turret]

you possibly could've gotten an 8 and ended your suffering

[thorn cape]

I thought my position sucked anyway, but nope, it was a timing issue

usually I can frame perfect all my doors and switches, speed just depends on position

but it was the other way around this time 😦

[stiff turret]

rip :(

[agile dew]

Hi

[desert path]

Are you speedrunning doom gba?

[ionic quarry]

Hi everyone. I have a YouTube channel all about No Damage demos, including speedruns.

[ionic quarry]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnqItPGDHvWuRwI1KzPxXsw

For my latest speedrun, I spent many hours grinding Doom 2's Map 12 'The Factory'. Overmind did a No Damage run in 10:44 How much time did I take off the record? Find out... https://youtu.be/nKZufkRgrd8

If anyone here has any speedrunning tips/tricks or advice on growing my channel, I'd really appreciate that.

[ionic quarry]

Grinding this must be very repetitive. Congrats --- I haven't seriously tried this one myself, but I saw Karl Jobst's video about the record being broken. It's tricky to maintain momentum and then needs good RNG to get pushed only forwards by monster attacks.

[thorn cape]

Thank you! I'm quite surprised to see you here, ive heard about you 😄

reality demos are pretty interesting

Yeah repetitive is putting it lightly, lol

I have 29 9.0X times.. 8 is too harsh 😅

I'll probably upload a compilation of 8 fails after I get 8 finally, should be interesting :p

Yesterday I had a couple 8.8 paces which failed at the exit room. Karl Jobst's video is good, but I think it made e1m1 seem fun to newer players. :p

[vapid cloud]

Your videos are pretty cool. Subbed

[thorn cape]

30 9.0X, new milestone!

[vapid cloud]

Damn

I dont think the game likes you

[thorn cape]

32 now

[thorn cape]

🙃

33 😂

[stiff turret]

Rip

[thorn cape]

https://youtu.be/ogxIZ4SoXO4

3rd in the world. 🙂

[stiff turret]

2nd place on dsda

[livid knot]

[rotund loom]

[loud arch]

I know a guy who’s doing that
I’ll link his YouTube channel he streams levels of maximum doom

He started like six months ago and still is not finished lmao

Fuck I can’t find him yet

I’ll get him later
Wait I might have already linked him

[lusty meadow]

who has the highest Plutonia nightmare speedrun?

[thorn cape]

as in.. the fastest?

NM-speed I believe ZM has a 34 minute something, NM100s has only been done by one person, JCD, his time was 1 hour 11 minutes

[agile dew]

@desert path
Yeah, I'm trying

[loud arch]

Is this a straferunning joke

[thorn cape]

yes

[loud arch]

It works even vetter cause of the doom sprites that look off To the side

[vapid cloud]

Ive been starfesrunning way before I started speedrunning

Running forward is slow af

[stiff turret]

true true

[onyx turtle]

Guys why does nobody does the secret exit speedrun on e3m6 Mt. erebus? On console not on pc, like i think it's more easy

[ionic quarry]

Hi guys, I've been getting Reality records on every map of Scythe so far, and Subverted Base is no exception. How fast did I go? Find out here.... https://youtu.be/C3SbX9widIM

[thorn cape]

Secret exit and regular exit are separate categories

gg, pj

[vapid cloud]

E3M6 https://dsdarchive.com/wads/doom/leaderboard?category=UV+Speed&level=E3M6

E3M6s (secret exit) https://dsdarchive.com/wads/doom/leaderboard?category=UV+Speed&level=E3M6s

[onyx turtle]

I know but I did mean to reflect on the fact that it's easier to make a record in the secret exit category, like i'll upload mine

[thorn cape]

And why should people do runs just for an "easy record"?

sure, that is an easy record, but people dont run doom for records and records alone

[stiff turret]

they do but its a separate category

oh wait you're on console? uhh then uh idrk

oh confused already explained it

[loud arch]

same

except i dont speedrun at all

[vapid cloud]

You should

Its fun

[loud arch]

I’m a bit neurotic so these challenges based entirely on speed would probably just give me too much anxiety

It’s why those memory games where you have to memorize the musical pattern as it increases each time is so bad for me

I could probably go a lot longer but I just dislike it and almost purposely fail at some point

[onyx turtle]

Btw sorry for my stupid questions, I'm kinda new at DOOM speedruning actually, like my E1M1 record is 11 seconds, but everyone has to start somewhere ay?

[thorn cape]

11 seconds is a fine start

[onyx turtle]

Can somebody send a route for Doom 1993 E1M2 speedrun? I only could did on my version but it's 48 second and as I saw it's slow