eternal-modding

[normal badger]

but the imp will always spawn behind the cube for whatever reason

[empty bobcat]

how did you put this imp? You just put it from the ai?

cna you show a screenshot?

there is one problem (it's logical to put ai on map this way, but not in idS :D)

as in the meme "we do not do this here" - there is a special way to do this

[normal badger]

yeah lol

[empty bobcat]

it's quite advanced: https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/gameplay/gameplay-framework/encounter-manager/create-an-encounter

they do this like that now

if you look at ref map - there are no enemies on the map - they are outside in queue 🙂

[normal badger]

well sure, but I just want to mess with it for now

[empty bobcat]

and they spawn them on the map via this encounter manager

[normal badger]

the enemy is in the map

the problem is it won't start on top of the cube, rather it spawns on the floor beside it for some reason, even though the cube is part of the "nav" group

I put the fella up here

[eager ginkgo]

put him a bit higher, game might be thinking hes clipping into the cube idk

[empty bobcat]

Does someone has such problem?

[normal badger]

doesn't seem to work

[eager ginkgo]

just curious, make the cube bigger, i wanna see what happens

if he stays on if the cube is bigger or if he still falls off

[empty bobcat]

slowbuild after

[normal badger]

alright yeah he spawns up there now

but won't come down haha

[empty bobcat]

yeah, there is a new function for this I didn't touch yet - traversal

it's also advanced and complicated 😄

https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/gameplay/ai/traversal-editor/add-traversals-to-a-map#traversal-placement---setup

Got it!

[normal badger]

ah I see

well I gotta go to bed so I'm thinking I'm gonna mess with this later haha

[empty bobcat]

do you know name of this type of candelabra? When I'm searching I got this from Cultist base

[oblique dirge]

I’m not gonna lie I’ve been behind. I’m been trying to work on my map, but I can’t because school I really want to.😔

[empty bobcat]

no worries 🙂

found it

[oblique dirge]

nice

I don’t know my map is, but I’m just trying to test a lot of things

[oblique dirge]

Every time I play down an enemy they blow up or die. How do I fix that?

[lethal plume]

set up the nav mesh

https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/gameplay/ai/navigation-mesh#add-nav-mesh-to-your-map

[oblique dirge]

TY

[plush thicket]

Arena type shit

[normal badger]

Does the arena just let you jump off the edge or is it a massive invisible wall?

[karmic musk]

Solid

[normal badger]

Looks very nice

Also: what asset pack are the panels and stuff from?

[south wasp]

I never used the split view, always went with the single panel and ctrl+tabbed between 'em, just like in idStudio 🙂

[plush thicket]

Death volumes

mixed arc complex, uaca atlantica

[normal badger]

Thanks!

I was considering downloading that one next

UAC Atlantica

[brazen jacinth]

gives off 2016 vibes, I like it

[plush thicket]

dlc1+dlc2 not available yet, but you find uaca atlantica in the arc complex assets

[normal badger]

Ooooh

I didn’t think I saw it in the menu

I'm very excited to see the mapping community for DE grow

won't be as big as classic doom for obvious reasons, but its gonna be fun to see what people come up with

[normal badger]

actually REALLY simple

at least to coax the demon to jump down

I'm sure it could be complex for more complex geometry

[hasty oyster]

Editing of this decl type, 'articulatedFigure', is not supported. well fuck you

[oblique dirge]

Bro, I wish there was videos of somebody talking with you how to do this stuff I’m getting mad annoyed. I can’t figure how to put an enemy down and I always had to go to the stupid Wookie to find some thing they need to make videos how to do this.

I want to make really cool maps, but I can’t do that. I’m more of a visual learner, not reading something expecting me to do it.

[normal badger]

For placing enemies, just right click on the map with nothing selected then on the menu hover over “ai” and a list of all the demons should appear

[oblique dirge]

Yeah, but they keep dying

[normal badger]

You need to generate a nav mesh

[oblique dirge]

wdym

[normal badger]

Basically select the brush your floor is, and right click, select “add selected to group” and name the group “nav”

Then when you build select the build wizard and make sure under navigation “ground” is check marked

[oblique dirge]

I did all that and nothing happened

[normal badger]

Basically without the nav mesh the ai doesn’t know where to go and it will just die

[oblique dirge]

I wish you could just call me and tell me all this, but I know dang well no one‘s gonna do that

[normal badger]

Sorry man I’m about to leave for work

[oblique dirge]

😔I’m fuck

[normal badger]

I can’t even take screenshots I’m on my phone

[teal bronze]

everyone is trying to learn the tools with varying success. No reason to be upset

[oblique dirge]

I understand that but we have all these pros out here that could literally be giving everybody else tips

[teal bronze]

You want handouts or something

[oblique dirge]

No, like I said, I do better if I’m looking at a video and I can follow with them following just from reading something it’s kind of hard for me

[teal bronze]

Ya well I know some guys making videos for idstudio so just wait

[normal badger]

In time there will be tutorials on YouTube I’m sure

It’s not id’s job to provide them, they provided the tools and some documentation

[oblique dirge]

I just been trying to figure out this enemy thing and I still can’t figure it out

[normal badger]

You’re sure you used the build wizard right?

[oblique dirge]

I clicked ground, but every time I go back into it to see if it’s checked, it’s unselected

[normal badger]

You built it after checking it right?

[teal bronze]

Did you save before you build

[normal badger]

https://youtu.be/2RzIZ2e-ozc?si=QzexD60T3KaJ4U0M

Here this is someone building something from scratch so it might be helpful to you

I haven’t watched it but everything seems to work at the end lol

This is my first time using a modern level editor as well, so I understand it can be a little overwhelming

[golden tiger]

So are most of these gonna be posted on Nexus or somewhere else?

[teal bronze]

They are on the new Doom launcher

[normal badger]

The doom eternal mod portal on the launcher

You can play a good bit of mods at this very moment

[golden tiger]

ok, I just ask because I wanna know where to browse to see the good shit

[normal badger]

Just opt into the beta branch on steam for doom eternal

[normal badger]

Including custom levels

[oblique dirge]

Yeah bro, fuck this shitty ass editor

Do I just wanna make my own map but these tutorials don’t seem that useful I’ve done everything it said and they keep dying. I’m actually mad.

If someone can help me, please call me because I just need help

gn guys

[hasty oyster]

spent another 6 hours tyring to change the chainsaw spray for a monster. still no success. It must be buried much deeper and not editible in beta

[prisma vector]

anyone know of any videos to learn weapon texturing in id studio?

[lavish apex]

all you really do is add them to a group called nav (It has to be called that), then build navmesh in the build wizard

[hasty oyster]

looks like you can hover over name and it shows up to change. but it doenst change it to "live" or whatever

like right under the title

[foggy rock]

Holy living hell.

[prime willow]

EXCUSE ME

[dreamy tide]

MY EYES

[prime willow]

<@&162901871168585728> HELP

[foggy rock]

BFG DIVISION STARTS PLAYING FULL BLAST

[prime willow]

WHAT THE FUCK

[stiff plaza]

Context for mods: flaminggrenade sent a weird goblin thing with its dick out

[foggy rock]

cursed demonic crucible

[dreamy tide]

I now have PTSD

[stiff plaza]

I've seen worse be sent in this server unfortunately

[dreamy tide]

[stiff plaza]

You kinda do in the old games too

[foggy rock]

rip the poor soul who came here for the modding and saw goblis

[dreamy tide]

I think he got banned

[south wasp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQecUyQu_7I

@oblique dirge I know you're not much for documentation, but right now, that's where the best info is: https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/gameplay/ai/navigation-mesh

If anything in there or whatever anyone else has said doesn't make sense to you, just ask and I'm sure someone will clarify.

[normal badger]

Yeah this helped me the most, I believe doom-marine linked it to me

It’s relatively detailed, I do think they said they plan on adding more to it in the future because it doesn’t have info on a lot of features

[empty bobcat]

A little question again. So, I found candelabr (candleholder), but the candles are not lit. How to get this "on"?

[normal badger]

Maybe there’s a separate model. Or maybe you need to put a particle emitter up there

[empty bobcat]

I need to try find it in ref map.

[south wasp]

Bingo. It's a start, but not yet a fully featured reference. It's missing a lot of key info and steps, as well as some of the info being outdated.

[normal badger]

So far it’s been invaluable but I’ve been here for a day and already got some really useful info that wasn’t on there afaik

(Thanks @empty bobcat)

[empty bobcat]

They got Emitter candle_single

[normal badger]

Ah so it was particles

[empty bobcat]

yes, emitter function

[normal badger]

By the way source has this function where meshes have different skins, does doom eternal have this same function, for crates for example

[empty bobcat]

doesn't look like - at least for props (but I'm not 100% sure). I didn't find such option in params for models. I was also interested to posibility change at last color for model, but found only emissive light color can be changed.

[vital lichen]

god I wish i had enough time to spend with my mod ffs

[normal badger]

I’m sure there’ll be time eventually, modding is a hobby after all

[vital lichen]

Yeah

I'm working full-time rn and I'm about to start studying again so I'm going to have little time to spend with this

[normal badger]

also working full time, but not in school rn

[vital lichen]

thank lord

I hope I don't lose interest in doom modding over time, it's one of my favourite games

[eager ginkgo]

Doom is eternal after all

You will never lose interest

[vital lichen]

fuck yeah 🗣️

[normal badger]

I've been mapping for doom for almost a decade

I'd say I'm probably at my lowest point in terms of output, I haven't made a map in nearly a year

having a lot of fun learning idtech7

[oblique dirge]

I will when I learn everything

[empty bobcat]

I will die with DOOM 😄

[prisma vector]

I just got IDStudio. Can anyone help me out here?

[empty bobcat]

it's not easy so you first have to read full manual and try build box (and compile it)

[prisma vector]

Gotcha

[empty bobcat]

and don't worry, it's hard editor 😄 but works

if you are familiar with QUAKE/DOOM3 you are almost like home 🙂

almost

[prisma vector]

Ill try to familiarize myself with it

Hopefully not lose my sanity

[empty bobcat]

good luck, I almost did XD

[vital lichen]

Woah

[vital lichen]

I've wanted to mod for doom before, but never had enough interest. I spent time in source, tho

[empty bobcat]

source engine?

[normal badger]

anyone know how to make a trigger only activate one action? I want a lift to raise then automatically lower, afterwards I want the trigger to raise the lift again

got the first part down, but now after it lowers if I trigger it again, it lowers again

[vital lichen]

Yep, Portal 2

[vital lichen]

I think what you want is something that needs to be edited in the mover

There's a parameter that defines how will act the mover, that will do

[normal badger]

well yes

[vital lichen]

Can't remember the name, tho. The Wiki has it listed

[normal badger]

but I can't find anything that says to loop back

[vital lichen]

Mover scripter > move commands

[empty bobcat]

I know, but I'm not home now. I did movers for my map.

there is something like Script mover in Function Mover

and there is + - clicking it and you will see more options like move in x / y / z

if I good remember 🙂

[normal badger]

I think I figured it out

[empty bobcat]

I don't know how to make sequence. I only used it for single move - trigger -> mover moves once - like that, for secret door in Entryway

[normal badger]

I got it to work

basically I have the first one set so it does not wait for a trigger to activate, but is delayed, so it stays in the up position for 3 seconds, then moves down, after moving down it is set to "reset to spawn location"

so it has two movements

movement 0 is the raise action

movement 1 is the lower action

@empty bobcat you may find this useful

I am noticing you can trigger it when it is in the raised position and it will do that action...

I’m gonna mess with it some more and see if I can get it to work right lol

[empty bobcat]

btw. you don't need make doors (except customs) - there are plenty in Interactive section when you put a new entity.

[normal badger]

okay

I got it to work, basically I made it so the trigger has to wait 5 seconds before it triggers again

[normal badger]

alright now I'm trying to see how I can make a lowering lift crush the player, it does do damage, however the player teleports to the other end of the room for whatever reason

[eager ginkgo]

Add death volume under the lift

[normal badger]

how do I make it move with the lift?

because I only want it to kill the player if the lift is on top of the player

[eager ginkgo]

I haven’t done any of this, I’m just suggesting ideas

Isn’t there maybe like a parent option

Wait is the lift a model kit or a brush

[normal badger]

its a brush

[eager ginkgo]

yeah then just make the death brush under the lift

And give it the same moving logic

wouldn’t that work no?

[normal badger]

no because a mover is a func

[eager ginkgo]

But then there would be an issue if the player just double jumps and bumps the under side of the stationary lift 😭

[eager ginkgo]

damn

[normal badger]

alright I actually kinda got it to work

now, for whatever reason, the kill plane will not kill me outright, it will take my life down to 5 and leave me alive?

[normal badger]

I am really confused about why the kill decls refuse to kill me

is there some map setting that's messing this up?

I always survive the first hit, no matter what, it will always take me to 5 health

have to stand under it a second time for it to kill me

[normal badger]

I'm thinking there's some sort of internal mechanic in eternal that basically keeps you from being instantly killed but I'm not sure how I can bypass that

[normal badger]

okay, so I got it to kinda work, still doesn't kill you, but it just knocks you back from the lift

lol new problem if you are looking a certain way the crusher will just push you into a solid object

figured it out.

basically: I had the "Crush Dislodge Teleport Dist" set to 1 which made it so that in order to dislodge the player from the lift, it teleported them a little bit, which was causing the player to clip into the geometry

TL;DR you probably should not make lifts that are also crushers, no wonder they don't appear in game iirc

[eager ginkgo]

The only instance I can recall are the crushers in nekravol

[prime willow]

sup. id studio has stable crash when i'm trying to open: 1) static || animated model editor 2) open preview window 3) animweb editor. Someone had same issues? i5-12600kf, 3060-12gb, 32ddr5 fyi. Any ways to fix it? Already sent bunch of reports for each case of crash related to previews and stuff.

i know that sdk is in beta but BRUH

[south wasp]

Is your floor brush in the nav group?

the roof shouldn't be

as you don't want it generating nav

[oblique dirge]

I selected everything the guide in the video, but it’s doing the roof only

[south wasp]

Remove everything except the floor brush and rebuild nav

[oblique dirge]

ok

[south wasp]

Think of it like this: do I want AI moving on this surface? if yes -> nav, if no -> not nav

[oblique dirge]

How do I get rid of these?

[south wasp]

The green poly's representing the navmesh?

Or do you mean the navmesh itself?

[oblique dirge]

I don’t even know I’m just trying to make them walk on the floor, bro that’s all I’m trying to do

[south wasp]

Just trying to clarify what you're asking. Those green poly's represent the navmesh that was built. So, if you want to get rid of the navmesh itself, rebuild the navmesh, if you want to hide the display, it's done via the 'view options' window under 'show nav'

[oblique dirge]

I’m trying to delete the green things

[south wasp]

You don't, thay're the navmesh. As I mentioned, select the surfaces you want the AI to move on, put them in the nav group and remove any brushes you don't want them moving on. Then rebuild the navmesh (as per the guide)

The green poly's jure represent the navmesh that's built

[normal badger]

anyone have any idea how to use the clipper but keep the "clipped" section of the brush?

or switch which part you keep

[oblique dirge]

I wish someone can just call Bro

[south wasp]

shift+enter will slice it in 2

[oblique dirge]

you cant call

[south wasp]

No, but happy to help out in the channel here 🙂

[oblique dirge]

Why

[normal badger]

ahhh thanks

exactly what I was looking for, preciate ya

[oblique dirge]

I’m struggling on this dumb ass shit for about a few days now i’m about to lose my mind

[normal badger]

have you used any other level editors before?

[oblique dirge]

Yeah, and they’re much more simpler

[normal badger]

what are you familiar with?

[oblique dirge]

Trust me, I get it. People have things to do, but I would get this We done faster if someone just calls me and tell me the steps.

I’ve watched the video I’ve looked at the Wookie. I even listened to this dude and it doesn’t even work. I guess God just likes Shaw better than me or some shit.

[south wasp]

Which steps are you stuck on?

You got some nav built, so you're doing all of the steps, just gotta tweak it to work for your scenario

[oblique dirge]

I’ve tried that and it didn’t work. They just keep dying.

Like how discord is for calling but no one wants to call

I get it y’all can learn the editor so easily because you’re older than me but at the same time, bro like this is like annoying they couldn’t meet it easier

[normal badger]

🧑‍🌾

[oblique dirge]

Yeah, fuck this shit I’m not doing this no more. I guess. I’ll never make a map.

[prime willow]

Alright. So, if anyone will encounter such issue - just delete whole folder of idstudio at c/users/username/savedgames/ id software/ idstudio. It fixed the problem for me. P.S: backup important things or whole folder just for sure.

[normal badger]

cool, thanks for the tip, I didn't know anything about your issue earlier haha

[prime willow]

mam says i'm special

[normal badger]

I think we're in a place where everyone is so new to this that we all gotta figure it out together

[oblique dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-guy-listening-to-music-crying-music-music-sad-gif-1436056687197982910

[prime willow]

man it frustrated me SO MUCH, just haven't touched SDK for a week and then* there's this

[south wasp]

As I explained, remove any brushes from the 'nav' group that you don't want them on. In your screenshot the roof brush is clearly in the 'nav' group, as it's generating navmesh.

So my advice, remove all brushes from the group, then add only the floor brush where your AI are spawning.

• Remove all brushes from nav group
• Add floor brush to nav group
• Build -> build wizard -> build ground nav
• Profit

If you do that, the navmesh on the roof will be removed, and it will generate navmesh on the floor, where you want it.

[oblique dirge]

ty😭

[south wasp]

Don't get off put though, these are commercial tools and if you're just starting out, there's a lot of complex steps needed to make things work. Give it time and you'll have it figured out

[oblique dirge]

Can I show you a glitch that I’m having now?

[south wasp]

Hrm, not sure. Could be the size/intensity of your light. Haven't messed with them much myself beyond filling out a box map

try increasing the falloff to make sure it encompasses your space

the fact that the scene darkens when you walk away from the light may be because the map hasn't had a full lighting bake. That'd be my guess.

[oblique dirge]

I’m sorry for yelling at you. It’s just when you have dyslexia. It’s kind of hard to do things.

[south wasp]

Nah it's all good, I understand the frustration. I'm a visual learner too. At the moment though, resources are limited, but I'm sure in time we'll get more vids and examples to work from

[empty bobcat]

it likes to crash a lot 🙂 it stabilized a bit for me when I downloaded all assets, but still can crash.

[normal badger]

Mine hasn’t crashed yet

But I haven’t made a big level yet

[empty bobcat]

you are lucky one 🙂

what is your rig? Specially RAM?

[empty bobcat]

for now - DO NOT CROSS LIGHTS WITH SHADOWS

I have no solution for this, and for now nobody answered me for this 🙂

[empty bobcat]

this is cool function for light in idS

[oblique dirge]

Do you know how to like make the cube like stairs or something or stretch it out in a way you want

[empty bobcat]

cube is basic brush

you can choose how many sides it could has

[bronze ermine]

https://youtu.be/9uRYEhDFuwI?si=Z55GWNtx8KmxqrW1

[oblique dirge]

ok ty

[empty bobcat]

this is cool made map. I almost finished my version 🙂

[empty bobcat]

in ids you can't extrude brushes like in prodeus

[south wasp]

Prodeus is creating meshes, not brushes, and their shapes can be concave. Brushes need to be convex shapes

[empty bobcat]

galapagos you don't read manual 🙂

[oblique dirge]

wdym

[empty bobcat]

look once again from start:

1. Brush - make any brush, select it and add to group nav (must be exactly "nav", not NAV)

2. put any ai

[oblique dirge]

i did that

did i not

[empty bobcat]

now - two builds: slow build

and rebuild collison + nav mesh

[oblique dirge]

I’m not getting what you’re trying to tell me that I do something wrong that I did not see

[tight hinge]

yummers

[south wasp]

spawning in as expected, nice one!

[oblique dirge]

Yeah, I’m trying to figure out how to make multiple of them spawn

[south wasp]

I'd recommend looking at the how to create an encounter page of the wiki. That's hte best starting point. It's not a straight forward system, but once you understand it, it's pretty good

[empty bobcat]

can someone remind me where and how use DOOM 3 to eternal converter, I'm here https://github.com/jmarshall23/Doom3ToDoomEternalConverter but I'm super blind and can't see download except code 🙂 Thank you 🙂

[prisma vector]

anyone know a link to a video or article that can help with changing the texture of a weapon in idstudio?

[karmic musk]

I'm curious if there is a way to create interactable screens like in doom 3. Would be cool to have it where you enter a PIN code to unlock secret doors 👀

[lucid trench]

Anyone knows to make a Helmetless doom Slayer mod?

[south wasp]

You could potentially cook up something with the logic designer, but the Doom 3 GUI's are long gone

[teal bronze]

This is part of the process https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/working-with-art/material-editor/material-remapping

[normal badger]

32 gigs of ram

[ripe night]

Looking like a DOOM II Wad in modern graphics.

Awesome. Very dope

[south wasp]

Ok, trying out jump pads, but in my test map, the VFX shows up completely white when, even after a light bake.

@lusty pelican have you had any success getting particles to render with the intended colours? I'm just now looking into lighting and haven't figured out how to bias the particle colours yet.

[south wasp]

I'm definitely just missing a step, I see your particles look a-ok in your map.

Is it ambient lighting, or perhaps the environment settings? I've added both, but not sure if either are building correctly yet.

[oblique dirge]

Does anybody know how to make tentacles move like in super nest?

[prisma vector]

You have a picture of a hot woman :).

[south wasp]

hah! Found you!

[oblique dirge]

yo

can you help me

[south wasp]

Not sure on that one. I assume they're animated models?

[normal badger]

Don’t think I know enough to start on an actual map but I really want to do detailing lol

[south wasp]

I've spent any time I've had since the tools released getting to grips with how the basics work heh

Nowhere near playing with the artpipeline yet

[hasty oyster]

when i create a new mod, there are tga files from my other mod that seem to infect the new mod. or am i just stupid

[hasty oyster]

woot, chainsaw sprays are 100% to levels i love, now to work on impact effects and gorekits. I think they are bugged, but lots of trial and error still

[fallow compass]

They're geomcache alembics (a different type of entity (source file is .abc) ). I dont know how to place them. They are not skinned md6's.
Unfortunatly, they're only referenced once in the docs so ur gonna have to experiment.

[hasty oyster]

im startign to believe the whole uploading process with drafts and whatever is the hardest part to making a mod

[solar moon]

I'm trying to get into the marked part of the picture in Doom Eternal's Super Gore Nest goal and I'm stuck in my teeth. How do I get rid of my teeth?

[oblique dirge]

WDYM

oops caps srry

[shadow cedar]

is the issue that you cant reach that spot?

[empty bobcat]

at last model we need, but we were afraid to ask!

[solar moon]

How do I get rid of that tooth over there?

I'm trying to get into the marked part of the picture in Doom Eternal's Super Gore Nest goal and I'm stuck in my teeth. How do I get rid of my teeth?

[normal badger]

this is very off topic, I would recommend posting about this in #doom-eternal, this channel is specifically about modding the game

you're probably more likely to get help there too

[empty bobcat]

So bad we can't post memes and stuff (I love it :D) I found perfect photo of me masterred IdStudio in.... 2082 XD Anyway, I was making test with Base1 from QUAKE 2, but I'm not happy with results for now.

[normal badger]

I think you would really need custom models to make it look good in eternal, or at least approximations (I'm sure there's tons of debris and destruction models you could use for the hole in the ceiling for instance)

[empty bobcat]

Yeah, just swaping textures is not great solution. I was just testing ideas. Here is version with some models (still not great)

In DOOM 3 I built corridor inspired by Alien corridor, I'm curious how it could be done in DE. Also I need to check are in DE shadowmaps - they were used as soft shadows bound to lights. Such corridor would be awesome to see:

[normal badger]

you'd have to start from scratch imo

[halcyon stratus]

That's looking really good, actually.

[empty bobcat]

I think using geo as reference and put good models would work.

I was yesterday on new Alien in cinema and now I thinking about porting my old map from D3 do DE 😄 It was dark super detailed... Underhalls from DOOM II

I used too much curves in there so just copying geo will not work probably, I'd like to build it from 0

shadow maps:

[prime willow]

alpha shotgun ftw

[empty bobcat]

I liked a lot alpha shotgun, so I ripped it to standard DOOM 3

[halcyon stratus]

The alpha shotgun is such a superior design to the vanilla one. I still don't know what the hell they were thinking with it.

[empty bobcat]

D3 alpha was superior version in many ways - I liked player could be... eaten by demons after dead and you could see it for few secs before blackout.

and commando vocals - so hellish. Almost everything was made by Trent Reznor, but than "something gone terrible wrong" and they kicked Trent and replaced him with Chris Vrena.

[vital lichen]

yeah whatever

[empty bobcat]

Why she is upside down? 😄

I'm playing with wave style map - you can spawn only 32 ai at once 😦

desert of death 😄 100 killed

Why some ai are blue?

[vital lichen]

no idea. I think i didn't compile nav flight

[vital lichen]

hmmmm, i have no idea

[empty bobcat]

lol, I'm dead 😄

[plush thicket]

@oblique dirge .

[hasty oyster]

did i not upload my mod correclty, tried using the DL version and it doesn't load. So either i didnt upload it right, or i really fucked osmething up

i need ot like try playing my mod on a different computer as a user,

[magic tulip]

Now to add this to the list

[hasty oyster]

anyone have a chance to look up my mod, download adn try to run it? I am convince i am just uploading empty data.

the only way to test this is to get on my wifes computer, get her a steam account, buy doom eternal, down load pc mod, download my mod, test, return the game lol

Green Blooded Hell Knights is the mod, version 2.40 is the latest release.

[oblique dirge]

I will try when I get home

[hasty oyster]

Thanks, if it doesn’t work imma have to pull the whole thing off the browser and do a new one

[halcyon stratus]

Gangsta style Pain Elemental.

[vital lichen]

i might start over my map. fucked up with measures

[oblique dirge]

I think it looks fine

[vital lichen]

Nah, not for me. I will block out the entire level, island by island and then build details

I will leave detailing for the last thing

[oblique dirge]

I wanted to play but OK😔

[vital lichen]

And I might start doing custom assest for fast building later

[vital lichen]

It will be the same layout, but better

[oblique dirge]

OK, show me progress

[vital lichen]

Will do this week!!

[oblique dirge]

Me to with my map

[vital lichen]

Yeah, looks cool yours

[vital lichen]

What kind of monster screen so you have??

[empty bobcat]

them all:

[vital lichen]

I mean or A) your screen is ultrapanoramic or B) you have dual screen

[empty bobcat]

oh, yes it is 21:9

[vital lichen]

damn boy you can use it as skateboard

maybe later I hop in and share my screen voiceless to share how do I wanna block-out my map, just to keep me motivated

[empty bobcat]

I'm blocking my hell wave map, but I have no great ideas for it

[vital lichen]

do you remember the arena at the bottom of the argent tower in doom 2016? circular

that's a great layout, it keeps you going in circles

as a reference

[empty bobcat]

yes

btw. it's super huge room

👀

[vital lichen]

Taras Nabad's firsdt arena might be a good place to begin with

[empty bobcat]

I realy like barge arena and mars core, just before we jump to the inside this hellish city

[vital lichen]

ah yes. great arenas

i mighty replay doom 2016. such great memories

[empty bobcat]

a bit hard back to D16 after DE, at least for me (I love D16 of course) but I was trying all the time dashing 😄

[vital lichen]

yeah, mobility is a bit reduced in d16

[empty bobcat]

I realy like hell maps in D16

well, I love whole game

[vital lichen]

i want to see the first level ported to de

shit I miss the gauss canon

[oblique dirge]

Hey guys, is it hard to make a wave system for an arena?

[vital lichen]

not really

[oblique dirge]

What would I need to do to do it?

[vital lichen]

just encounter manager scripting

i'd recommend you opening a slayer's gate level and reverse engineering it

and you need to set-up enemies spawners and etc

[oblique dirge]

Is it on the wiki somewhere?

[empty bobcat]

ballista is great

[vital lichen]

yeah, but it was very cool tho.

[vital lichen]

yeah, under AI

[oblique dirge]

Ok ty

[empty bobcat]

https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/gameplay/gameplay-framework/encounter-manager/create-an-encounter

[oblique dirge]

Ok ty

[vital lichen]

i don't feel like mosding today. i'll watch true detective and go to sleep later. Will mod tomorrow

[shadow crown]

Anyone seen this under entities? I looked everywhere. It may have a strange name or something?

Sorry if I missed something obvious

[empty bobcat]

yes, it is there, one sec, I'll try to find it

[empty bobcat]

hmmm, but it doesn't work for me

[shadow crown]

Thanks for this! I will play around with it and see if I can get it working.

[empty bobcat]

there is nothing about this in manual when I'm searching proxy

[gaunt ether]

dumb issue not map related but i been messing around with projectiles and stuff for weapons, must have changed something and not bothered setting back a couple days ago so now the actual bullets arent showing up, just the impact ig, anyplace i could go that could probably fix that or am i chalked?

and like it did work before if anyone was wondering

[hasty oyster]

still having mod uploading issues. When i try my own mod, it doesn't work, so that means it uploads ... nothing

so everyone might want ot check their stuff...

[empty bobcat]

it should work normal if you create new mod (I think)

[empty bobcat]

ok, but this mod works in slow build/devmap?

[gaunt ether]

got you, guess i messed around too much anyway, thanks g

[hasty oyster]

its works from idstudio yes, but if i try to load my own mod (from downloading browser) it doesn't work, or its some user error

im going ot dl your mod and see if it isn't some other issue on my side. But imma have to purge mine form the library again methinks

[empty bobcat]

working

[hasty oyster]

entryway works at least, so it must be my mod

[ivory helm]

Anyone have a recommend tutorials on the modelings tools for brushes? I want to make a connecting rooms by just drawing the floor.

[empty bobcat]

ah you want to build map from brushes only?

are you familiar with radiant?

[ivory helm]

I use gzdoom

I’m using the pc doom eternal preview

I built a room with a light and player

[empty bobcat]

yes, but did you work with Radiant before?

[ivory helm]

No

Quake I think used it but I never made maps or wads on quake

[empty bobcat]

building brushes is exactly the same (plus some bugs) as for QUAKE 3 Radiant/gtkradiant

https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/getting-started/idtech-basics/idstudio-key-commands here are shortkeys

[ivory helm]

Nice

[empty bobcat]

generally if you build room from tutorial - that's it

[ivory helm]

I need to learn how to make opening for windows and doors

[empty bobcat]

you build everything from boxes (but you can choose brushes with more sides than 4 walls)

[empty bobcat]

you mean movers?

learn first building and texturing brushes

but you can use existing interactive functions like doors

[ivory helm]

I have a map called RX on my Brutal doom wad. I have the layout and enemy placement with scripts. So I have a good temple to go off now I just need to build in these new tools

[empty bobcat]

build blockout first, than movers and other functions you need

[hasty oyster]

is there a wya to unlock ALL levels?

my camp got corrupted from another mod and can't go back

[empty bobcat]

maps?

[ivory helm]

Is there breakable glass

[hasty oyster]

yah i need to warp to sent prime

[ivory helm]

WADS or maps.

[empty bobcat]

yes

[ivory helm]

I’m sold

[hasty oyster]

i know i saw a way to do this, have all maps unlocked

[ivory helm]

Is there a video or written tutorial on level building you would recommend

[hasty oyster]

or just a command to warp to sent prime. I really dont want ot spend 2 hours doing it again

[oblique dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/cherrysticker-gif-19173161

[prisma vector]

Yes

[hasty oyster]

how?

[prisma vector]

It's a cvar for the modportal: +mainMenu_unlockAllMissionSelectMaps 1

[hasty oyster]

is that a launch option i need to put in?

[oblique dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-keep-the-rent-low-in-my-neighbourhood-meme-funny-shitpost-shoot-into-the-sky-gif-25501744

[hasty oyster]

well that didnt work, looks like ill have to rush though the camp ... again

[tight hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1275257778838966403/1277025326186237982/Untitled.mp4?ex=66cbaa03&is=66ca5883&hm=18cfdf8c0f4a9af401f251b19575cba90d09ca32a9a9cc2b215d48cc6ee82fb8&

traversal part almost complete, only need to fix some issues

[hasty oyster]

looks like the only part i have left for my green hell knights is the impact effcts from certain weapons.

[tight hinge]

riiiiiigght, uhh those are hardcoded

[hasty oyster]

well shit.

[tight hinge]

yeah sucks

[hasty oyster]

well then that means i am done with my first mod. At least after i do a a play test of the camp.

change a decl just null'd my entire decl.

if that is the right word

that is a bad BAD bug.

wish there was a restore button

[empty bobcat]

My blockout ready

[hasty oyster]

upper and lower leg chunks of the dreadknight decl destructible decl can not be edited without the entire decl reverting to "Default" mode. Which means all the properties gets removed.

or wait, now its the ARM chunks. Hmm

i can save the leg chunks. oh i dunno. this is strange indeed

[oblique dirge]

Guys my computer keep spazzing out on Ed studio I think it might be at studio. I think I placed something where it just starts lagging for some reason.

[oblique dirge]

nvm im good now

[south wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-mandalorian-star-wars-this-is-the-way-gif-18467372

[karmic musk]

experimenting with some triggers. I've always been a fan of trap doors in doom 3. And even platform drops. Ultimately leading to getting ambushed.

[maiden mica]

Ooh damn this is crazy lookin

Is the whole level low gravity?

Oh nevermind I missed the trigger that activated it

[hasty oyster]

well im done with my mod until the bugs get fixed, the wall has been hit. Time to work on the next

need to purge my current one from the library browser since its broke for reasons i dont know

probalby becuase uploading has been a problem

[oblique dirge]

yo

[oblique dirge]

can ask you someing plz

[karmic musk]

sup

[oblique dirge]

I was wondering if you tell me how to make things move like those doors what trigger is that?

[karmic musk]

the trap doors?

[oblique dirge]

ye

[karmic musk]

I followed this guide for creating a mover, which are those doors on the side that have the demons behind them. https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/worldbuilding/map-building-blocks/movers#add-a-trigger-to-a-mover

Instead of platform though, I have it linked to a trigger volume you pass through as shown on the left screen

Demons also spawn behind the doors at the same time the trigger is touched.

[oblique dirge]

TY

[turbid steeple]

interesting setpiece style

anyone know anyone working on a sentinel themed level? meathook as the music

[karmic musk]

you can also make a trap floor in a way. Where the mover activates. Kinda like in Doom 3 where you get dropped into a pit.

I miss those classic aspects. OG Doom had a lot of those

[oblique dirge]

wdym

[turbid steeple]

modding has been out less than a month and we are already seeing crazy stuff like this. that is awesome

[turbid steeple]

a level with sentinel theme is like taras nabad or the first half of exultia. in sentinel lands, forest and all that

[karmic musk]

I don't think so. Would be cool though

[turbid steeple]

id love it

[turbid steeple]

this looks cool too

[oblique dirge]

It’s going to be in Arena where you can fight endless ways of enemies fight

Waves sorry gonna take me a while, but it all pay off in the end

[hasty oyster]

published, time to move onto something else

[halcyon stratus]

Ambushes are more a classic Doom thing Doom 3 adopted. Eternal sorta had ambushes sometimes but it was almost never integrated into the maps enough.

[empty bobcat]

haha, cacos and pains do not need navs 😄

[gaunt ether]

Diablo 2 👍

[empty bobcat]

yeah, I wanted D2 inspired map in DE

[gaunt ether]

What class you running

[empty bobcat]

sorceror

[gaunt ether]

Nice, I use that and necromancer in Diablo games

[empty bobcat]

she is after diablo now

I played in D2 always as barbarian or sorceror

but this week I started as crusader (again)

[gaunt ether]

I wonder how a class system similar to Diablo for doom slayer would be, that gives me ideas lol

[empty bobcat]

Yesterday I was curious is possible to make nut.wad like map. But you can spawn only 32 AIs. So in encounter manager I just put spawnAI quantity 32, after kill - spawn again with heavier monster, and after 32 kills - spawn baddass monster. And it was quite funny even on flat brush.

TIP: idS likes crash using preview for models and fx.

slowly modelling it

[empty bobcat]

I love models in DE

[plush spire]

Diablo 2 hell is an awesome hell

[empty bobcat]

holy shit, gross

Hell in diablo 4 is gross too, plenty of corpses and tortured animated souls poors.

[normal badger]

The impaled human has to be a reference to the iconic sprite from classic doom

[empty bobcat]

yeah, there are plenty of "good" gorre

flesh models are most gross

good we have no props like in Agony game 😱

slowly it starting looking somehow, at the end I'll make black void around

[normal badger]

I think it’s cartoony enough that it doesn’t border on tasteless

[empty bobcat]

funny thing - there is flesh blob model (in DE) but you can add fat veins on it, and the model of is called - cholesterol 😄

"yeah, you eat too much, there you go some cholesterol veins to your meat blob!" 😄

this is super cool model, I like it a lot:

D4 is plenty of metal combined with wood.

[empty bobcat]

so fun (and lot of work too :D) Still easier than building each prop by hand!

[karmic musk]

Yeah your right. Don't know why I only mention doom 3.

[halcyon stratus]

One idea I've had for a mod for the longest of times involves Doom 2016's ammo pickups. Maybe they could be repurposed in Eternal as the large variant of the relevant ammo type a la classic Doom.

I know a 2016 pickups mod already exists, but it's buggy and very out of date. I could theoretically repackage the models and add glare and other stuff with idStudio... if I knew how and where to even begin.

I'm mostly interested because I'm really fucking tired of Eternal dripfeeding you rockets by individual pickups. Like, wow game, thanks for the one rocket. That really oughta help me kill the next zombie mob next time all 5 of them clump together. Would be a shame if the equipment launcher didn't achieve the same result.

[normal badger]

If you use the chainsaw you don’t need to worry about the pick ups lmao

[halcyon stratus]

World pickups are still an integral part of the arena combat and should be treated as such. The chainsaw is essentally infinite ammo and all but being able to restock a sizeable amount with a couple pickups would still be immensely helpful, especially in CBT maps.

Also, the chainsaw will only restock 50%.

[karmic musk]

i miss how weapons were introduced as well. Like pulling the chainsaw off a body, or prying the shotgun out of the hands of a deadbody.

rather than it just floating and spinning lol

[halcyon stratus]

I don't really care for that. Eternal isn't aiming for realism.

[karmic musk]

fair. It's more of the environment story telling vs arcade artstyle that I like.

[halcyon stratus]

I'm just really not too fond of 2016's approach looking back. I was clearing out a pictures folder earlier and stumbled into a bunch of key and concept art for 2016 and some of the MP levels, and man is it straight out of Halo.

[karmic musk]

or for example the plasma rifle getting taken from the marines hands...Not that it was the intro to the plasma rifle, but it was a good one lol

[halcyon stratus]

Glad none of it was present in the final game. I like 2016's early levels a lot, a nice mix of linear and nonlinear with a suitably moody vibe. But I find the game loses that vibe after Kadingir and becomes too arcadey, introducing the Air Mobility rune and the Pinky forcing you to awkwardly maneuver around it with manic jumps and the like. Then it just turns into a floatier version of Eternal with no new enemies being introduced and the game doing very little to spice things up (if at all). There's a lot of powerups floating in midair randomly placed in arenas, levels become more linear and you can't backtrack anymore (they don't even loop around themselves), arenas become shorter and more cramped, and the visuals get more and more repetitive after a while.

[normal badger]

those were nice animations

I liked seeing them, its like, Eternal has inspect animations when you pick up the weapon

I kinda just wish it appeared instantly in your hand lol

its already a green rotating object in mid air, just put it where it goes immediately (I know you can cancel the animations by firing)

[normal badger]

I think you can definitely see that the later hell levels were probably made pretty late into development and under a strict deadline

they feel almost like they were cobbled out of premade level sections

there's 2 in particular, one after another, that feel very, very similar

the ones I'm thinking of are titan's realm and necropolis

titan's realm has a really cool intro but the rest of the level is pretty plain

[cobalt cipher]

Hey all!

I'm probably missing something really dumb but I can't figure out why the changes I'm making to the map don't appear when loading them in the engine.

I'm saving, slow building ect as it says in the documentation.

[normal badger]

what command are you using to load the map?

[cobalt cipher]

Well I'm modifying Nekroval PT1 so I'm just loading it in the engine tab

[normal badger]

slowmap maps/(map name here).map

into the console, that's how I load up my test map

[cobalt cipher]

Yea that doesn't appear to work for the campaign maps - or they have an obscure map name

[normal badger]

maybe you have to save them as a separate map?

[cobalt cipher]

I'm inputing slowmap maps/e3m2_hell.map

No that's not done anything.

The changes I'm making to gameplay are working fine. I've built a new encounter, and trigger volumes are all appearing to work in the Engine preview and when I package and test - it's just changes to the level environment that aren't appearing.

That's with brushes and models

[normal badger]

sorry, I wish I could help, maybe someone else knows

[obtuse arch]

Has anyone managed to implement "shooters" into their maps? I am struggling to get them to fire. Thank you.

[empty bobcat]

at least double shotgun has KICK ASS introduction 😄

[empty bobcat]

I only saw model, didn't do anything with that yet

[obtuse arch]

Damn, I will take another look later and do some trial and error

[empty bobcat]

yeah, for example whiplash - what is that thing? It's a demon, alien? I don't remember. First time I saw it, reminded me Shadow Warrior enemy with the same design.

[empty bobcat]

try looking to Intro (e1m1) map - there are few shooters. Ref map.

[obtuse arch]

Good idea

[empty bobcat]

I slowbuilt HUB, but I run it from editor, not engine, and it worked.

[normal badger]

might be an entity rather than the model?

like it might be an "ambient" enemy

[obtuse arch]

I went to ENTITY ---> ENVHAZARD ---> SHOOTER or something like that, then I tried setting it state to "shooting"

[normal badger]

hmmm

[empty bobcat]

ok, it's interesting, now I need to try it by myself 😄

[obtuse arch]

I need to go afk for a bit, but when I'm back I will see what can be done

[plush spire]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL6YXPznC_U&t=251s

I'd like to know, myself, as I wanna incorporate those wall shooters too!

[empty bobcat]

Let's figure it out!

[plush spire]

Later mayhaps, I have some quake maps to finish today for a mapjam. I'm all over the place lol

[empty bobcat]

So I put it on the map, but of course it doesn't do anything. I'll try to find it in hoe map.

there we got them in hoe

can't see any trigger that triggers it

but there is something like Touch Data:
Ofc. copied it on my map do nothing.

[normal badger]

I have off tomorrow so I think I'll get back to messing with the editor

[empty bobcat]

working

@plush spire @obtuse arch 👆 👇

Shooter need two things - shooter and area that triggers it:

[obtuse arch]

Amazing, thank you very much

[normal badger]

I need to learn how to make a door

Then I’ll probably be able to make a really simple map

[empty bobcat]

door is very.. dificult 🥲 seriously

[normal badger]

Well there’s a tutorial on it so it can’t be too bad!

[obtuse arch]

the pre-made doors are really nice, no idea about making one from scratch

[empty bobcat]

I tried to make it by than I just took prefab from interactions

[normal badger]

I could definitely easily make a door just with my knowledge of movers

[empty bobcat]

specialy that you can scale them as you like

[normal badger]

A really basic door lol

[empty bobcat]

tutorial only shows how they open, that's it

[normal badger]

You would just make it wait to close I reckon

Kinda like the lift I built that raises then lowers

Only issue is if the player stands under it while it closes…

[empty bobcat]

Probably you can make a sequence 0. open z axis 2, 1. wait 2 secs 3. close z axis -2

[normal badger]

Yeah, that’s how I did the lift

I guess it could simply push the player out of the way if they are standing under it while it closes

[empty bobcat]

that's one funny problem in prodeus 😄 I learnt myself to build an invisible cone that push away a bit player to not clip inside the player or push it under floor

[normal badger]

But the thing I would want is for it to not close unless the player is not in its proximity

[normal badger]

Idtech 7 actually has a system in place for this already

[obtuse arch]

I think the defaut doors will not close if the player is in a certain proximity to them

[normal badger]

I forget what it’s called but it will push you out of the way and damage you if you set it

It’s under the mover in entity inspector

[empty bobcat]

old good DOOM I/II door were perfect - open and close when you want, so you can interact when they were moving, you can close when you want and they bounce of player head and reopen - just perfect - it's real hard to build something like that in prodeus 😄

[normal badger]

I’ve always been an “open stay” kind of guy

I prefer doors to stay open when I design classic doom maps

But eternal is a different beast

Open stay (fast) actually haha

[obtuse arch]

I tried this and couldn't get it working haha, I'm sure there is a simple way

[empty bobcat]

I like to have full control on doors and like to use them when imps firing me, so I just close the door before fireball hit me 🙂

[normal badger]

In idtech 7?

Simple, just make a mover

[empty bobcat]

I'm for now bored to putting models on my map so I can figure out how doors work 😄

[normal badger]

Have it trigger when you get near it or via a switch, then have it just do it’s movement once

[empty bobcat]

The goal - door full operable - you can open it and close without waiting for full animation finish :>

[obtuse arch]

that's true, that would work well

[normal badger]

A door that stays open is actually really easy

You don’t even have to worry about it closing on the player then hahaha

[obtuse arch]

Only reason I didn't try a mover was that I was having issues with the clipping on mover objects

[normal badger]

What I would do is make the mover itself invisible via a collision texture, then have it linked to a door model but have that model have no collision

Currently I am in bed so this is all theory, but it should work reasonably well

[obtuse arch]

I may give it a try ahaha

[normal badger]

As it’s all stuff I’ve already done separately

Oh also I would group all movers together just for convenience sake

Things can be in multiple groups right?

[obtuse arch]

I think so

[normal badger]

That’s great news

[obtuse arch]

ill check now

[empty bobcat]

that's fine

[normal badger]

lol

[obtuse arch]

yes

[normal badger]

Actually hold on I’ll make one before I go to bed

Idstudio takes a while to open lol

[obtuse arch]

Made this mover cube as a test and it has no collision when tested in game, is this normal? Am I missing something here?

[hasty oyster]

allright going to duplicate the cacodemon, trying to figure out which decl assets i need to dupe and attach

[normal badger]

You need to un check no push

It’s checked by default and it makes it so the mover cannot be interacted with physically

[obtuse arch]

Thank you, I will try it now!

Yeah it works, I will try not to think about how much time I wasted last week trying to fix this issue haha

[normal badger]

Lmao

Struggling to find a door model

I'm confused about the yellow folders

are they stuff I haven't downloaded? dragging and dropping doesn't work for them

[empty bobcat]

you are in assets browser or entity new model?

you can drag from assets browser only

[normal badger]

hold on I figured it out

Ok time for the moment of truth

I didn’t work in the editor yesterday, muscle memory isn’t quite there yet hehe

hmm

idk if I'm doing something wrong but the model will not move with the mover despite being bound to it

fixed it, its because it was a static mesh

changing it to func_mover got it to move immediately

which actually means, you don't even need to connect a mover to it

you can just make the mesh a mover itself

of course, you can add a frame or whatever you want and make it look nicer in an actual map

you can even add a sound

[hasty oyster]

10 mins of adobe, first recolor

Cacoplum

going to make all the skins first, then build some new AI.

[empty bobcat]

looks cool, reminds me "red" cabbage 🙂 tasty look 🙂
Hmm, if you can change skin color for AI, there should be possible to change color for models.

[halcyon stratus]

Would Caco be edible?

[normal badger]

do you like caco?

[hasty oyster]

trying to create a custom AI. the skin change is the easy part

going to look at cyber cacodemon custom AI for clues

[halcyon stratus]

Y.

[halcyon stratus]

Make him edible.

[hasty oyster]

sure thing, probably will taste like purple

[normal badger]

you could probably make caco pick ups that make a chomp sound when you pick them up

[halcyon stratus]

Smol caco.

[hasty oyster]

okay, you can open up someone elses mod right? i seem to be stuck

i could of sworn i did it last week

"import community mod" ?

[silent badge]

community mod afaik is used for importing a mod from the legacy mod injector system

thats what i was told when i looked into adding my Weakened Shields mod into the new system

[karmic musk]

Is there a way to view how encounters are setup on the base game levels? Or any example levels that can be opened and viewed? I'm trying to figure out how to do encounter/waves for arena areas.

I didn't see anything in-depth for the encounter manager on the wiki other than the basic tutorial for setting up spawn groups and such

Disregard I believe I got my answer.

[cobalt cipher]

Like so?

Cause that ain't workin 😦

[exotic badge]

Does somebody know how to make map load first with the start of the game compaign?

[empty bobcat]

yes

[empty bobcat]

I know the concept, but it doesn't work for me. But I don't know how to do this from editor. I saw you can use decls in folders

[empty bobcat]

But for sure I back to this problem, cause firing up map from console is not great

[exotic badge]

Thanks. Agree, It would be better to play through the new game menu

[empty bobcat]

In declTree there should be 2 folders:
-campaign
-dvemenuoption
Campaign folder has:
next campaign folder, and inside there are 3 decls: dlc1.decl, dlc2. decl, main.decl
in devmenuoption folder there are also 3 files:
new_campaign.decl, new_campaign_dlc1.decl, new_campaign_dlc2.decl
Well, it's a bit complicated

[exotic badge]

Hmm, really a little bit complicated. Anyway thank you for the help. I'll try to figure it out. Maybe I'll try to open another released map from mod brouser where it works fine

[exotic badge]

I imagined that it all about one checkbox or dropbox, but no, damn 😄

[empty bobcat]

If I get 100% working version I'll zip it and put it in here. But for now I don't want waste time for this (I wasted 2 days for this, it even worked but I had fatal bug in game somehow)

[empty bobcat]

That's how this man made, who made first map for DOOM Eternal ever, but he is modder and he got exp before id studio.

[exotic badge]

Ok, thanks a lot man! If I'll figure out how to do it I'll tag you

[empty bobcat]

Manual is not great, I think, it has very basic things, ref maps are huge, and cut for chunks and is sometimes realy hard to find this what you want to build, even copy some things didn't help, cause they are linke to other functions. Like encounter manager - is realy complicated 😄 It's not like - put monster and play.

[cobalt cipher]

What was the command you used to view the map? Or did you just go about it in the menu?

[empty bobcat]

I run the map in editor in 3d view, right click anywhere Play game from here

[tight hinge]

lean caco lean caco

[cobalt cipher]

Well okay that works, but why aren't they appearing as changes in the Doom Sandbox when I go to test the mod? 🤔 🤔

[turbid steeple]

there’s no filter to put new modding levels by is there? i see hashtags and stuff and thought there was supposed to be, at least

[cobalt cipher]

I've figured it out - for anyone else who runs into this issue, run the command
slowmap game/sp/e3m2_hell_b/e3m2_hell_b in the Engine Tab or when you're testing the level.

One assumes that performing a full build will make the changes appear in the normal level

[prisma vector]

the cacolean

[hasty oyster]

WARNING: too many touched triggers for ai "customai": increase limits or remove triggers...

channel animoatr told to play a NULL anim for a valid alias, mase sure the animation has been loaaded somewhere else.

Well at least it works in game, but its spammy on the console

[exotic badge]

I DID IT!

And then

[empty bobcat]

Great! I'll check it in my new map.

[hard tapir]

no

the mods are packaged in a way that you cant really open them back up

[hasty oyster]

well i managed to do it, dont tell anyone

[zenith ridge]

trying to create a map but instead of brushes I somehow spawn these blue dots onto the grid.

is there a way to select the brush tool back?

also, what's that tool I'm using?

[exotic badge]

My first Doom Eternal map. It took 70 hours. I tried to make it look like The World Spear map and I guess my try was successfull. Thanks a lot for DOOM MARINE for help, really appreciate it 🙂

You can found it on bethesda by name Forgotten Forest

[karmic musk]

nice work

[exotic badge]

Thanks!

[oblique dirge]

dam nice

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-cat-wawa-oh-the-misery-cat-discord-gif-25805976

[tight hinge]

very impressive

surprised you made that in such a low amount of hours

[lavish apex]

that was great, easily the best looking map so far

[hasty oyster]

new AI succsefful I think ... I just need to tweak its stats and behavior to my liking. got to go deep

textureing is going ot be a bitch though. I wnat to make a larger Hell Knight, one that is from the eternal art book, AND one that is a scaled down version of the Gladiator. Wraping the gladiator tga on a new baron probably wont work

[zenith ridge]

the editor crashes when I shoot with the shotgun, anyone know why this happens?

did I do something wrong? I built it with a slowmap.

[pearl junco]

Do not package declTree. Please follow this guide on packaging to the letter, so your mods work as expected and you don't overpackage your mod with bloat https://wiki.eternalmods.com/books/0-idstudio/page/what-files-should-i-package-for-my-idstudio-mod

[hasty oyster]

where has that wiki been all my life?

[brave wadi]

That was impressive!

[hard tapir]

That looks epic!!

[south wasp]

looks great! Will give it a go

[fickle glade]

I wad thinking of making my first big map something like that

[normal badger]

Looks sick, I’ll check it out after work

[normal badger]

actually I got a bit before I have to leave for work, think I'll try to give it a run through

[normal badger]

alright finished it, thought it was pretty fun. The layout is very straight forward, its basically just a string of encounters, but it looks great for being this early in the modding life cycle. I think the lighting in particular is a little rough, there doesn't appear to be any ambient lighting, so some of the shadows are pitch black, which looks a bit off. The encounters were fun, the last one was my favorite, because you can save the berserk for the marauders lmao

excellent work, can't wait to see what you come up with in the future

[hasty oyster]

so when i make a new AI, it loads the wrong texture or ai, but loading the second one works. THis is strange

[cobalt cipher]

purple goo

[maiden mica]

Looks clean, wish I could play lol

[hasty oyster]

every time i try to edit right now im crashing this sucks

[cobalt cipher]

Wowzah, that's hellishly beautiful

I love how well you've reutilised those assets to make something that looks so unique

[oblique dirge]

TY❤️

[cobalt cipher]

Put a portfolio together and start applying for Game Dev jobs! (if you're not already)

[oblique dirge]

You really think so I just love making maps

[cobalt cipher]

For sure! If you can get a job doing what you love, why not eh?

[karmic musk]

I finally played this. Solid work! Really amazing job for the amount of time. Encounters and areas were fun.

[oblique dirge]

TY i will see im only 16

[cobalt cipher]

Oh wow, all the more impressive then! Keep it up, it's definitely an option for you! Look into Environment Art if you're more into making pretty maps, or specifically Level Design if you favour gameplay-centric map design

[karmic musk]

level design is a fun thing to do for sure. Do you mess around with blender and substance painter?

Those are two tools I'd recommend if you want to make custom environmental meshes. Maya is more of the industry standard over blender though.

Although blender has grown tremendously and studios do use it at times.

[oblique dirge]

hmm

My mom is really impressed with my work. She’s an IT so she is really happy that I’m doing this.

[karmic musk]

Nice, IT is what I do as well for my job. 🙂

[cobalt cipher]

Supportive parents are always the best!

[hasty oyster]

is there a way to make the monsters not see you so i can take SS?

well anyways. Who wants to taste the cacodemon rainbow?

each is unique AI, i will be giving them elemental effects.

[lavish apex]

i think its notarget in the console

[oblique dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-dead-chomp-fat-baby-gif-8520593905880901561

[maiden mica]

notarget

[turbid steeple]

sentinel theme

which music track?
i’m always curious to see sentinel based maps! as taras nabad and meathook are some of my favorite stuff

[empty bobcat]

Looks rad!

[unborn ingot]

me with 97 hours and nothing good to show for it💀

[empty bobcat]

Did you make some custom decls? If you have nothing special on your map, delete all this mod and create fresh one, or if you have there some work geo done, copy it to new map, and copy map on disk to new fresh mod.

[zenith ridge]

Yea it's a test map. Sometimes it would crash. Other times it would be stable. Maybe it's just the editor. Did not make any custom decls.

[vital lichen]

How did you managed to create a custom ai for each? Or are they cacodemons with twitched parameters?

[vital lichen]

I don't know if you have figured out, but that's because you pressed X. It's kinda useful for slicing brushes. Press X again to go back to normality

[zenith ridge]

Ah, thanks!

Did not know.

Is there a hotkey for a brush tool?

[vital lichen]

No, brush tool is the defaul tool in 2d map editor. You simply click and drag to draw a brush

[halcyon stratus]

Map gud. I play. I upload video.

Video is uploaded.

Yes. Is gud. You will make more maps. Yes.

[normal badger]

The tools are really powerful

I can’t wait till we have custom campaigns

Perhaps once the scene is big enough we can do the first eternal “megawad”

[halcyon stratus]

Oh God imagine how much space that would take on the servers and how long it would take to upload/download. Easy 30gb.

[normal badger]

Basically a new game

In terms of strategy, adding modding to eternal is super smart, because the dark ages is bound to be quite different, so new doom eternal content will be around for a long time to satisfy those who prefer its gameplay

[prisma vector]

Indeed

[empty bobcat]

and probably we get update editor for Dark Age

[normal badger]

With how long it took for these tools to come out, I’m not sure, would be awesome though

It’s a new engine but I’m not gonna pretend I know how much work it would be to make a consumer grade level editor, but it seems like a lot

[rich prism]

Well, there's no doubt in mind that id Tech 8 is based on 7's codebase, so in theory this could lay the groundwork for us to get a TDA SDK sooner rather than later, but then again id Tech 5 was also based on the previous iteration(s) of the engine, so who knows.

[gaunt ether]

Meh the engine really doesn’t change like that, just a matter of if devs wanna end up putting something like this out again for tda

[normal badger]

I think that is ignoring all the work that went into this.

“Yeah they just flip a switch and now anyone can use the tools”

It’s not really a matter of wanting to do it but to spend the resources to do it

I am very surprised we got eternal modding tools tbh

If it were so easy they would have released these tools years ago

Or even when doom eternal launched, I recall an interview where a developer even mentioned they would like to support modding but weren’t sure if they could

[halcyon stratus]

Most probably Zenimax pulling strings and keeping that from happening, since in their mind they had a game to sell first and giving the players the tools from the getgo wouldn't have been beneficial to them for some reason.

[normal badger]

Yet Bethesda games ship with modding tools?

Idk I’m not gonna pretend I know what was going on behind the scenes

[halcyon stratus]

Probably because SnapMap didn't do all that hot, I don't know either.

[normal badger]

I’m pretty sure the modding tools required their own development to make them usable for the public

And to do documentation and stuff

Since the editor was likely not built for people outside the studio

Id has always been very supportive of mods

and Bethesda is possibly the only other studio associated with mods the way Id is

Iirc snap map was done by another studio and not id

It was a really cool concept for making an experience like modding possible on console

I’ve never used it, but I saw some stuff people did with it on YouTube I didn’t think would be possible

[gaunt ether]

They still wanna push their main product

[normal badger]

don't really buy it

well I mean, obviously they want to push the product, but uh, having modding tools only makes it more attractive to most people lol

having modding tools is not going to make less people buy it

[gaunt ether]

Well ig I’m being ironic cause I did buy the pc version for these tools lol

[normal badger]

📸

[normal badger]

nice

glad you got your stuff working

[oblique dirge]

Yeah, I’m working on the interior then I’ll work where the enemies are going to go. The enemies get stuck in the Gore stuff.

I hope the player doesn’t get stuck. That’s what I’m really focusing on right now.

[normal badger]

maybe you can clip the gore with collision brushes

or block the player from interacting with it, I imagine that stuff is meant to be background detail

[oblique dirge]

Maybe I can do that yeah

Yeah, I mainly gonna start making flat services for the enemies to go

[normal badger]

I would make the gore non-solid then use brushes to make it more traversable

if you want the player to be able to access it

[oblique dirge]

I’m mainly want the enemies to not go to the Gore I’ll probably make only the enemies step on the metal things and if they go to the gore , they Amelia nor it

[tight hinge]

damn looking at this and the other world spear level makes my level look like crap in comparison

good stuff

[oblique dirge]

Ty😭

[oblique dirge]

I was meaning to ask you do you know a way that the enemies can like jump over things or do they automatically do that?

[normal badger]

you have to use the traversal editor

and you set points they can use to get up and down from areas

[oblique dirge]

Can you link me to the Wookie part?

I’m at school right now I can read it when I get home. I can do it.

[normal badger]

https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/gameplay/ai/traversal-editor/add-traversals-to-a-map

[oblique dirge]

Ty

[normal badger]

yeah, its actually pretty easy

does anyone know if I can just drag and drop sky boxes from other maps I don't want to make one 💀

[oblique dirge]

You don’t know how to add a skybox

[tight hinge]

you would create a skydome model and then you would material remap it

[normal badger]

I know how to add a skybox but the options seem really basic

I want to just toss in the one from Mars Core or something lmao

[tight hinge]

well there should be a texture for it

[oblique dirge]

Ye

Drew the sketch down when I first started working on the map

[normal badger]

its a 3d model

you literally just drag and drop the skybox into the world

I think my least favorite thing is the asset browser, its so hard to find what I want

[oblique dirge]

You can bookmark everything you want

[tight hinge]

yes and then you would material remap it with the texture you want

[normal badger]

I don't know what I want till I find it lol

[oblique dirge]

Just bookmark right click on it and it should be an option to bookmark that tab

That what I do

[normal badger]

the sky boxes aren't just a texture thoughhhhhh

I don't even know if you can material remap it since its like, a mesh technically

[tight hinge]

you can because I did it in mine

[normal badger]

is there a tutorial?

[tight hinge]

probably not lol

[normal badger]

okay maybe I can figure it out when I open it up

which sky box did you use as a base?

or is it an entity?

[tight hinge]

here is what I did, new model > search for skydome > scale it to your liking, then you material remap it

[normal badger]

I'm downloading the hell on earth asset pack

btw when you look for a material, are the sky ones just under "sky?"

[tight hinge]

gsky if I'm not mistaken

[normal badger]

thanks! I'll see if I can do it

[empty bobcat]

did you learn making encounters?

[empty bobcat]

bookmark option is super handy

[normal badger]

oh, it looks like just adding doors is really simple lmao

[oblique dirge]

I learned when I get home

[normal badger]

its like a few clicks haha

[empty bobcat]

you mean prefab?

or door made from mover?

[normal badger]

the door entity

[empty bobcat]

hey - I thought about - we can share with small maps with some functions - would be cool to have special channel for this - map with tutorials.

[normal badger]

also, I have made one with a mover

[empty bobcat]

I put here yesterday Shooter function map tutorial.

[normal badger]

but it seems pointless if you can just do a few clicks and have a functional door

though, I wonder how you could trigger a door to close again and lock behind you

[empty bobcat]

yes, yes if you learn it, but for now I have no idea how to do this 🥲

[normal badger]

lock a door behind you?

[empty bobcat]

YES - I thought about this too. I even so there is function (I forgot name of it)

[empty bobcat]

no, I mean standard basic door

[normal badger]

what do you mean?

https://idstudio.idsoftware.com/worldbuilding/map-building-blocks/interacts

[oblique dirge]

I can’t figure how to make objects anime with the move trigger

The move triggers are complicated

[empty bobcat]

I'd like to have 2 main doors: player approaches - door opens and close. And the 2nd - player can open with interacting the door but would be cool clicking on door not with extended panel or switch.

[normal badger]

You could easily do this with a trigger brush I think

Set to activate the door

[empty bobcat]

I need to check it.

[empty bobcat]

in mover there is option: script mover and "+" - you add thanks to this what you want mover to do - like - go axis X 2 meters

I have no idea was there rotation or not.

[oblique dirge]

Hmm ok

[oblique dirge]

I’m adding jump pads and teleporters right now

[empty bobcat]

I haven't touched them yet. Probably complicated as other stuff 🥲

[oblique dirge]

No

It’s very easy basically

The only thing that you have a problem with teleporters

[normal badger]

all of the materials look really bad... do they look better in game lol

[tight hinge]

hmmm might be that some materials were used for half domes instead of full domes

[normal badger]

that fixed it immediately lmao

but the background is always grey?

is there a way to change that?

ah shit

you can layer skydomes basically is what I'm understanding here

[exotic badge]

I think for "Not Lit" mode you can find in in the idStudio=>Preferences=>Themes

[normal badger]

yeah idk why but I thought that's how it would look in game

I was being dumb

[exotic badge]

It's ok 🙂

[normal badger]

layering skies and stuff you can make some awesome looking shit

[exotic badge]

That's looking really good!

[halcyon stratus]

That's how ID did it in some wide open maps like UAC Atlantica, yeah. A half-dome for the water, and the big sphere for the sky.

[normal badger]

anyone know how I add a "sun"

like just a general light for the whole map, like a sun essentially

okay its under the environmental editor

[prisma vector]

Something to do with environment something. According to ID

[exotic badge]

First you have to add envarea to your map and then attach to this area your env decl

And then open your env decl through Environment Editor

[normal badger]

oh I see

so I guess you just make envarea cover your whole map?

[exotic badge]

Yep

[normal badger]

if you only want 1 that is

[exotic badge]

Or part of the map

[tight hinge]

you can specify the env in the worldspawn

env area and env override are only needed when you want to change between envs throughout the level

[normal badger]

any way to make the sun actually cast light? it doesn't appear to be doing that here?

ah okay

its like, sun intensity, but I don't like how it colors the sky boxes, perhaps I can make those unaffected by it?

found it

its radiusatmosphererange

[normal badger]

wonder what setting would make it so that shadows aren't pitch black

[halcyon stratus]

Curious, anyone tried opening any of Doom 2016's asset files/paks?

Or better yet, imported any of the assets into idStudio? I'm currently looking into it.

[exotic badge]

I tried to find it but I failed

[tight hinge]

My level also has some issues with shadows

Dunno if I can fix it

Is there a way to make the env setting be lit without a sun?