#doom-2016

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low basalt
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Got super shotgun

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Time to cakewalk the game

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Hmm this is doom 2016 not eternal

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In 2016 it becomes a 2 shot

abstract isle
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I mean snapmap exists

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And there's a ton of great maps and even custom campaigns are up there

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Have y'all heard of eye of horus?

snow heron
halcyon bear
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I try not to use the ssg to much. Even when I'm doing nightmare runs

snow heron
halcyon bear
snow heron
halcyon bear
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Hahahah it's okay. As long as you're having fun

atomic horizon
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Sorry!

fierce mulch
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Guys, now i know how to dodge every attack of the Cyberdemon; excpect when he spam missiles in the whole area and then charges against me. Is honesty kinda difficult to avoid. (At least for me).

fathom shale
hushed sedge
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Anyone down to play Snapmap?

elder meadow
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can i move quicker then just holding W just got the game for £3.50 which is insane

harsh cave
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why is ultra nightmare suddenly locked

jolly geyser
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You can use any WASD key and you'll move fast

elder meadow
harsh cave
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its pretty darn fast

elder meadow
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ik just wondering because im use to having to press shift to go quick but in doom its shift to go slow

jolly geyser
umbral heron
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bunny hop like in csgo

harsh cave
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oh yeah you can bunny hop

elder meadow
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isnt is hold s and w then move the camera in a certain way

jolly geyser
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huh well, I use gauss boosts to be faster. It's kinda like the dash from DOOM Eternal but tiring lmfao, still fun nonetheless

harsh cave
harsh cave
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but you'll find that normal run speed is just fine

halcyon bear
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I wouldn't focus to much on just bunny hoping. Knowing when to jump is key. It's a death sentence on nightmare

remote spoke
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i just lost my ultra nightmare run by falling into the void

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was so far

harsh cave
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cant wait to get to argent tower on UN

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and then clip through the floor

grand oxide
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quick question

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i have a challenge that says kill a mancubus with the pistol

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will a cyber mancubus count or no?

snow heron
grand oxide
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one sec lemme try it

harsh cave
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i think it counts

compact hare
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So because october 2020 me decided if a game was good depending on if it had motion blur, all the videos of Doom 2016 i watched had motion blur on it and all the Eternal videos didnt

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As a result i ended up buying 2016 first

rigid bridge
compact hare
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Ikr

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By the time i bought Eternal i never had motion blur on

jolly geyser
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Fuck motion blur

compact hare
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And i bought Eternal 10 days after i bought 2016

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Amazing how i changed that quick

jolly geyser
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Turning motion blur on in DOOM just adds more motion blur than it already has. In the game you are too fast so there's natural motion blur

grand oxide
manic burrow
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is the snapmap part of the game dead? i can't see any lobbies

abstract isle
vagrant moss
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i want some snapmap

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dm me

velvet stump
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Messed around with settings

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Now the shit looks beautiful

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Each frame looks like a bloody Leonardo Da Vinci painting

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Mona Lisa shit

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Might fuck around and cut my ear off

jolly geyser
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lmfao

elder meadow
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imao

fierce mulch
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Guys, i just wanna say that i beat Titan's Realm in Nightmare with no deaths.

flint spade
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wtf I was on the 5th mission on UN and I touched a rune trial to start it and I just fall to the ground and die.

elder meadow
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You got Runed

halcyon bear
drowsy citrus
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should I play doom 2016 after playing doom eternal?

wispy verge
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yes

snow heron
cerulean zodiac
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русские есть?

cerulean zodiac
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я не 1 ура

native marten
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Doom 2016 multi-player is dead

compact turtle
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@dawn musk your favourite game 😈

flint spade
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Yeah idk it made me mad.

halcyon bear
chrome basin
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closest i've come to getting glitched out of a UN run (aside from some railing boosts flinging me off the map before i learned to be ultra careful around them) is almost falling/clipping through the floor on Vega Central Processing while traveling 5000 mph with Berserk + rune speed boosts

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ironically i was able to warp my way back through the floor with another target to berserk warp to, saving 12 levels of progress, lol

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woulda been pissed if i didn't miraculously salvage the run like that

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wish i had it on video

halcyon bear
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Thankfully I've never had a super bad glitch like that

abstract isle
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It may be dead in Asia/pacific and on consoles but the EU and NA pc servers are thriving

manic vessel
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I just have a question which attachment is better for the combat shotgun

manic vessel
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Ok

rigid bridge
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lol

dry kettle
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are the 2016 lobbies dead?

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recently got dooom 2016 and tried playing multiplayer but i often see the same people and it takes a while until people join

jolly geyser
jolly geyser
rigid bridge
rapid sphinx
dry kettle
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sad

rapid sphinx
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Wish this group had a 2016 LFG channel. If anyone knows of servers trying to keep it alive, I’d love to join up!

sleek herald
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Weird request but has anyone got 2016 on switch and willing to play the multiplayer

sleek herald
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Cause if it’s on pc there’s no hope of players on switch

dry kettle
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im a pc player

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@sleek herald

sleek herald
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Then I can probably safely say I am the only person on switch who is trying to play the 2016 multiplayer

dry kettle
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sadge

dry kettle
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any 2016 pc players who wanna play some together at some point?

sleek herald
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I would if I could man

remote spoke
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awesome i used gauss cannon on the spider mastermind and clipped through the wall

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Epic UN fail!!!!

halcyon bear
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How does these things happen to you people ...

remote spoke
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extremely bad luck

rapid sphinx
sleek herald
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No way there’s another person

rigid oxide
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I wanna play 2016 on switch with people too

sleek herald
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BRUH

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there’s another

rigid oxide
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I was just coming on here to see if anyone wanted to play

sleek herald
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No way

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We almost got enough for a whole game

rigid oxide
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No way

sleek herald
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I can’t play tonight or tomorrow though

rigid oxide
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When? I've got work at 4-10 pm est

sleek herald
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Cause it’s late for me and I’m going to the beach tomorrow

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It’s about 9pm for me

rigid oxide
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Saturday I'm free

sleek herald
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I’m free most days

rigid oxide
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Cool
Alright ima play quake

sleek herald
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Alright

west coral
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hey guys

earnest tide
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hi.. any player available for doom 2016 switch multiplayer?

rigid oxide
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If you still up for it

near tapir
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How does doom guy have ptsd when he is ptsd

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Jesus loves you and died for u

viral ether
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because of his daisy

lilac basin
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what are the best settings for doom

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2016

low basalt
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What you pc can hanlde

red lintel
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fuck bro

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i cant fucking fart

wind reef
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🤨

rigid bridge
wispy verge
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he cant fard for the good of humanity 😔

sleek herald
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He poopoo farded

thin rivet
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i can get 3 randomers in the lobby, one short, before they all leave again

dry kettle
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damn

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well we've got 2 now then

sleek herald
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Who are they guys on switch who wanna play 2016 multiplayer

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Cause I’ll be home soonish and probably be able to play

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Also friend me so I know who you are

rapid sphinx
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2016 Switch player here looking for online multiplayer. Gonna DM my friend code to anyone else who’s interested in playing!

severe imp
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i forgot is doom crossplatform?

delicate grail
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I don't think so

severe imp
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oh sad

rapid sphinx
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@sleek herald @earnest tide @rigid oxide The four of us should link up for some Switch Doom 2016 multiplayer! I DM’d you guys my friend code.

sleek herald
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Alright thanks

rigid oxide
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Sounds cool

shrewd marsh
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I just beat doom 2016 yesterday

sleek herald
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Cool what difficulty

shrewd marsh
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The spider mastermind was super easy

shrewd marsh
sleek herald
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Nice

shrewd marsh
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I’m gonna do a nightmare play through as well, I think

delicate grail
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honestly the only boss that really holds its own is the cyber demon

sleek herald
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Yea

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The original gladiator

shrewd marsh
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I really want the 2016 cyberdemon to come back in the next game

delicate grail
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but we already killed it

shrewd marsh
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I mean the style

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Not the actual one, but just like I want the enemy itself to become more than just a one time thing

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Same with the Hellguards

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And maybe the next game could take some more of the 2016 enemies and mix them in there, to really make a unique, yet still very DOOM-like experience

delicate grail
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oh there's a similoar type deal in Eternal, the Tyrants are a lot like the cyber demon

shrewd marsh
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No I know that

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But I want specifically the 2016 one

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Mixed in with the Tyrants

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I want them to pull out all the stops, and throw full-on bosses in there

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Make it the Plutonia of modern shooters

delicate grail
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ooooohhhhhh

halcyon bear
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Tyrants are just the name of the species of demon that wad the orginal cyber from classic doom

shrewd marsh
halcyon bear
shrewd marsh
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Also the Motherdemon and Archvilles… exist

shrewd marsh
halcyon bear
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The cyber mancubus as an example could be referred to as a cyberdemon

shrewd marsh
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I see

halcyon bear
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I don't know. Is the arachnotron one also? They need more lore on that. They also don't explain if the pink was a upgrade or some hell mutation when the base was slowly being absorbed by hell

shrewd marsh
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…then wouldn’t the uh… the got damn uhh… Spider Mastermind be a Cyberdemon?

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And wouldn’t Dreadknights and Revenants and Mancubi be Cyberdemons?

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They’re all partially cybernetic

halcyon bear
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We know for a fact that the 2016 spidermaster mind was not a upgrade

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It was a hell mutation with Olivia's body suit I'm guessing ?

halcyon bear
shrewd marsh
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Still cybernetic though

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The got damn legs be robo

halcyon bear
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Which is why you call they tyrant a tyrant now instead of the classic just cyberdemon

shrewd marsh
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Right

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Because Cyberdemon is more of a category than a species at this point

halcyon bear
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Which is weird because they do give it a name. But it was rebuilt from the ground up. So it makes sense when It really isn't a baalgar anymore

shrewd marsh
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The 2016 Cyberdemon is The Cyberdemon, which doesn’t really make sense, given that he was a Tyrant but is now a Baalgar?

halcyon bear
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Tyrant and baalgar are 2 different things. Picture a cow and a dog

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They are different species

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Anyways the baalgar can't come back because they were all destroyed

shrewd marsh
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Every Archville ever would like to disagree

shrewd marsh
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But then the Doom 1 Cyberdemon is a Tyrant, whilst the Doom 2016 Cyberdemon is a Baalgar

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Which is a plot hole that is never elaborated upon

fathom shale
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Tyrant is technically a different species, just made to look like classic cyberdemon

halcyon bear
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Thats a tyrant

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The first time you fight the baalgar from 2016 was in hell where you basically ripped it to peices and left it for dead. The UAC rebuilt it. That's why in 2016 it hates you so much that it throws you. It wants revenge

shrewd marsh
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Huh

sleek herald
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Yea it doesn’t just attack you, it looks at you and recognises you

karmic flax
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There’s different species of demon

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Like how the eternal mancubus is different from the 16 one

shrewd marsh
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My head canon for the difference between the 2016 demons and the Eternal demons is that being on Mars while exposed to Argent Energy warped them in a different way than being exposed to Argent Energy on Earth

snow heron
shrewd marsh
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Great idea

snow heron
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Thanks

noble moat
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Different species,
So no

nimble vessel
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sooo, Cyberdemon from classic DOOM, the "Cyber-Balgaar" demon from DOOM 2016 and the Tyrants in Eternal are all different species then..?

sleek herald
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I’m on rn and I’m gonna look for deathmatches of anyone wants to join

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Free for all play

snow heron
# noble moat Different species, So no

Then explain the Cyberdemon in the Tower of Babel. Other demons could be different species from there 2016 and Classic Doom counterparts but some of them could be younger versions instead

noble moat
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It’s just the old Cyber demon

halcyon bear
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I've literally just been saying lore for 30 minutes

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Its not a theory

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Its literally doom lore

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Its not younger versions its different species

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It was

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In the art and lore book that came with collectors edition

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Has alot of cool little details if you mean the difference in 2016 and eternal no. But it goes into detail about species

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I don't know doom fans shit their pants if there's even a 20 second cut scene. So that might have something to do with the lack of in game explanations. In game doom bios would be nice though

noble moat
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Essentially different layers of hell can be more dangerous
Which explains why demons can be changed in appearance

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However also remember, doom takes place in 3 universes

mint monolith
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Not to mention that after becoming the Slayer he could easily tear through the old demons by the million and they'd have to adapt and try to become stronger

halcyon bear
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Thats a good one

noble moat
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In old games it’s a Cyberdemon because it is

In 2016 it’s a revived carcass of a baalgar demon that the uac dubbed “cyberdemon”
Because it’s just a demon they added cybernetics to.

But since the 2016/eternal universes are different from classic doom

Tyrants were the name of the old cyber demons

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2016 demons are from higher up in hell, hence why their different appearances,

In eternal they are from deeper in hell, and thus stronger

Like how imps have bigger spikes, flame barons, etc

mint monolith
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Balgaar are shadow lords and demon nobles, while Tyrants are jailers and wardens

halcyon bear
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Archies are also noble blood

mint monolith
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Also there is the matter of one having mandibles, multiple eyes, and antlers

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And the other having two eyes and horns

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All the Balgaar are likely dead but unlike the Agaddon hunters Hell doesnt seem to even want them back. They'd likely have their own plans and not give a damn about the Argent conspiracy that happened while they were dead

fathom shale
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The true reason tyrants look like cyberdemons is cuz the game artists wanted to evoke nostalgia of the old games thanks for coming to my ted talk

halcyon bear
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Should have brought back spike butthole imp in that case

chrome basin
snow heron
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@halcyon bear @noble moat I know that the Tyrant and the Cyberdemon are 2 different species but I just thought that there may be a chance that a Tyrant was a young Cyberdemon. Also didn’t get the Collectors Edition so any lore exclusive to the art and lore books that disprove what I said I didn’t know about

shrewd marsh
shrewd marsh
chrome basin
shrewd marsh
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:)))

noble moat
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The doom 1-2-64 universe

2016-eternal universe

Doom 3 universe

shrewd marsh
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Eternal confirmed that the 1-2-64 Universe and the 2016-Eternal Universe are the same by confirming that the Doom Slayer and the Doomguy are one in the same

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So, 2

fathom shale
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Those are 2 different universes that happened to fall into the same storyline

velvet cedar
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you can find the classic suit (doom 2016) in doom eternal if you look around doom fortress, proving that Doom guy simply replaced his praetor suit because of all the damages it received in 2016. So yeh, I agree. 2 universes.

junior goblet
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Help, my doom 2016 opens in a black screen and in the wrong monitor when i have 2 monitors, and when i disconect one of them it opens normally. when i connect it back again it switches to the wrong monitor (chaning this in the ingame settings doesnt help)

velvet cedar
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get doom eternal and look up doom 2016 gameplay on youtube

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jk jk, doom 2016 has a lot of problems but I haven't encountered this one. Can't help, sorry.

junior goblet
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Dang

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I really don't want to tilt my head

compact hare
rigid oxide
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@sleek herald @earnest tide @rapid sphinx (sorry to ping yall) did any of you get quake remaster for switch (or anything really)?

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If so that's something we could also all play besides doom 2016 on switch

velvet stump
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2016 berserk mode built differently

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That shit is beautiful

jolly geyser
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agreed

rigid oxide
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2016 was quick and violent and was common

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Eternal you get it once I think in the base campaign

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And its slow and not as satisfying imo

slate ferry
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What is up with the loadtime for snapmap it takes like 2 minutes to load (on a console anyways)

lethal bison
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Ha, it takes me like 4 minutes, beat that! ;D

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Seriously idk why, any Halo players out here, does loading into forge take 2-5 minutes? I imagine it has something to do with the amount of custom maps and levels made by the community that it has to load, but i don’t think it should be taking that long to load into SnapMap

slate ferry
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Forge is pretty quick if I recall

lethal bison
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I feel like it may be a lack of optimization, perhaps instead of having the Snapmap load everything, they could have it load the necessary things to load into the menu or something, idk I’m not a Programmer, so I may just be spitballing

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It takes way too damn long it’s no wonder the two trophies I need for Platinum are snapmap ones :/

slate ferry
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I think it may have to do with the fact it isn't loaded in when you boot the game

untold stirrup
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oh wow so my sister donated me her old macbook pro, time to bootcamp that shit and see if I can destroy it by downloading and playing doom 2016 in it megalel

lethal bison
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lmaooo

slate ferry
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I love messing around in snapmap though

abstract isle
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Snapmap feels abandoned sadly which is such a shame, there's some really cool maps on there, I've played a few, I'm trying to get all the items in the snapmap store bought for my character but I've already got all the armours and colours I want

neon pivot
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Can i ask for help here about something that happened earlier when i was playing doom 2016?

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I started a mission, pressed spacebar as usual, but i clicked with my mouse after that, my shotgun then won't stop firing

jolly geyser
neon pivot
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im just curious on what caused it

jolly geyser
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just a simple bug, if it only happened once and stopped easily then you shouldn't care about it imo

sleek herald
slate ferry
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Nothing to worry about if it stopped though

neon pivot
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i see

midnight void
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HELL YEA just finished my first playthrough!

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what. a. game.

jolly geyser
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good job bro

abstract isle
midnight void
zenith quiver
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hi

lavish kraken
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youll love eternal even more, probably

rigid oxide
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Everyone can play quake together regardless of platform

rigid bridge
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This remaster is awesome
Still using quakespasm mainly but I do occasionally pop in to the port for a one of play session

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Sometimes trying to get an achievement

rigid oxide
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I just had trouble getting it all set up with a source port so this remaster just makes it easy

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Plus I get to play with all my friends

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I really hope the support the shit out of this new version of quake with mods and add ons for single player, expand multiplayer to do online or local add on play, and add more game modes to multiplayer like capture the flag or the original quake team fortress. With cross play at 100% I think this could really bring life back into quake for the multiplayer scene

rigid bridge
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Although quake multiplayer does have an active community, albeit a small one

rigid oxide
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That's why I want this new version multiplayer to take off so quake can be easy to get into multiplayer wise

proven walrus
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DOOM 2016: "rip and tear, until it is done"
also DOOM 2016: yeah, here's a pistol

lavish kraken
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and thats exactly why you dont get it in the entire game HappyGuy

slate ferry
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Wait really

lavish kraken
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and thats exactly why it was scrapped HappyGuy

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(and because the combat loop doesnt exactly take too kindly to a weapon as historically dogshit as the pistols of id shooters)

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eh, yeah, true

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but even in doom 2016 you literally never use the pistol once you get the heavy assault and chainsaw

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and even in the first level when you get the shotgun grenade (which is the right option for the first upgrade) you basically only use the pistol when youre out out

lavish kraken
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the only times i run out of ammo on everything are the times where i literally only have the shotgun

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so. one level

coral marlin
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I am stuck alone in the doom 2016 lobby for deathmatch 🗿

halcyon bear
slate ferry
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I used the pistol on a hell knight

rapid sphinx
thin rivet
dry kettle
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i cant this weekend sadly lol

thin rivet
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well damn

slate ferry
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Ngl I like 2016's artstyle a little more then eternals

thin rivet
dry kettle
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you should make a group chat for anybody here whos down for MP

elder meadow
abstract isle
thin rivet
jolly geyser
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yeah, Eternal wanted to feel more arcadey and classic

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2016 on another par was gritter, darker, and felt closer to DOOM 3 than the classics

elder meadow
abstract isle
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I don't think 2016 was more like 3 I just think it was more serious

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It's not horror or overly dark it's just guns go brrr

jolly geyser
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The UAC in 2016 looked pretty inspired by DOOM 3 UAC.

elder meadow
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when you chainsaw a demon in eternal it splashes rainbow shit all over your screen. theres more rainbows than blood in eternal

slate ferry
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I just find the artstyle for 2016 to be more believable then eternal's

vague helm
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Does anyone have an suggestions for a hybrid controller trackball layout keymap? Before anyone asks, I have some disabilities that make wasd gamepay painful. I'm thinking about playing with half of an xbox controller or a knockoff VR controller and my logitech M570. I just don't know yet what buttons I am going to need to be pressing the most yet. Xbox controller might not even be feasible without remapping some keys and that does not appear to be doable without third party software. I had no trouble playing Dead Space 3 like this, but Doom has more buttons. Playing with a controller alone sucks and I don't know how anyone can aim with a thumb stick.

elder meadow
vague helm
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I'm on PC with Steam.

elder meadow
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i recommend using a ps4 controller, the left thumbstick is easier to reach and for the aiming problem, use a mouse in your right hand and controller in your left hand, most games have a setting to play with both at once

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idk if doom has, as im on playstation

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anyway, i hope i helped

vague helm
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I prefer a Playstation controller myself, but I burned it out playing the Witcher 3. Now I'm stuck with an Xbox controller.

elder meadow
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well, if you're looking for a cheaper replacement

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a ps3 controller would work

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using ds4 windows

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or steam i think, im not sure tho

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also if you get angry at the game, be careful with the xbox controller those things break easily

vague helm
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I don't throw my controllers anymore.

elder meadow
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that's very good

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controllers are expensive lmao

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so i suggest trying to play with the xbox controller

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until you manage to get another ps4 one

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and do not buy 3rd party ps4 controllers they're all garbage

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trust me, huge latency, vibration motor that's unbearable

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seen it all, it's not worth it

delicate grail
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going back to DOOM 2016 after playing Eternal is so weird

slate ferry
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Yeah sometimes my instincts tell me to air dash sometimes then I just fall to the floor

vague helm
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I'm thinking about buying the Azeron Compact Gaming keypad for shooter games. Anyone play Doom with one of these?

elder meadow
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are you talking about

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those half keyboards?

vague helm
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Its completely different than a Razor Tartarus. I can't explain it in simple way, you'd have to look it up.

elder meadow
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idk, if you want something easy and small to use

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just use a playstation 3/4/5 controller

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i bought an xbox controller some time ago, and it was completely horrible for me

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too big and bulky

vague helm
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Does the touchpad work well for aiming?

elder meadow
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no

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hell naw, never ever ever

delicate grail
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no

elder meadow
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use a touchpad for shooters

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it's impossible

vague helm
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I heard that some people say the steam controller works well for Doom.

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On another note, I'm getting a perfect 144 FPS on Doom. Buttery smooth too. Its even better than Dead Space 3 in that regard.

elder meadow
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dead space 3 was garbage, had so much potential

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ruined by microtransactions

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doom 2016 is buttery smooth on consoles too

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didnt have a frame drop once

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runs at a beatiful 60fps

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even on the base ps4

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or base xbox one

vague helm
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I only picked up Dead Space 3 after the fact. I wouldn't have played it with all the cash grabs. EA did ruin the series though.

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Dead Space is what got me interested in Doom though. I played the original Doom when I was young.

vague helm
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Whenever I start a new mission, my bluetooth headset has no audio and I have to disconnect and repair to get it to work.

midnight kiln
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Does anyone perhaps know in what year doeas DOOM happen?

vague helm
junior goblet
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Why does doom 2016 keeps opening up in a black screen and in the wrong monitor????

delicate grail
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is doom 2016 multiplayer even a thing anymore

delicate grail
midnight kiln
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Google gave me litteraly no answers

nimble vessel
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in the arcade mode, whats the difference between Nightmare & Ultra Nightmare ?

elder meadow
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I started 2016 again in Nightmare and I can't even finish the tutorial... I miss my double dash and flame belch 😂

sleek herald
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Yea

lavish kraken
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eternal's tools allow for extremely difficult encounters that are easier solely due to the hugely higher skill ceiling

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thats how it be

elder meadow
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But I beat it once, so i can do it again doomguy_grin doomguy_grin

lavish kraken
#

the skill ceiling coming from so many tools to use

elder meadow
#

One thing that really messes me up is the fact that glory kills in 2016 are set to the E key and because of Eternal, I keep hitting F instead 😂

chrome bison
compact echo
#

game

halcyon bear
#

Nightmare is a blast. Being used to eternal has nothing to do with it. Jesus

#

Jank muscle memory I guess

snow heron
#

I like using the faster quick swaps and DOOM Eternal PB in DOOM 2016 mods and are fun

halcyon bear
elder meadow
#

are yall enjoyin doom 4

halcyon bear
#

Always

elder meadow
#

pog

lethal bison
# nimble vessel in the arcade mode, whats the difference between Nightmare & Ultra Nightmare ?

Tbh I’ve only played Arcade Mode on Ultra Nightmare so all I know is in UN you cannot die, like at all or else you need to restart, and the DoomGuy toys that are normally Extra Lives, now just give you extra points, no Lives like in the other difficulties. Also I think it’s fair to point out, Nightmare and Ultra Nightmare are basically the same difficulty it’s just that in UN, you cannot die, I’m just not sure how the Extra Lives work on Nightmare.

lethal bison
#

You know I gotta ask something here, but this one Youtuber named ABritishPotato says that DOOM 2016 is an overrated mediocre game, and his claims for why he thinks that are due to platforming, unbalance, and “bad level design”. What do you guys think? I personally highly disagree with his points but I’d love to know what y’all think?

elder meadow
#

the people that say that doom 4 has bad level design are mentally disabled

lethal bison
#

^yes

#

I mean the arenas flow very very well, there’s levels with multiple paths to take, it’s good stuff

elder meadow
#

and unbalanced? you fucking kidding me? doom eternal's enemies are all bullet sponges and you're complaining about doom 4?

jolly geyser
#

It can get repetitive but that's after mastering the game and replaying it atleast once or twice. Ultra-Nightmare might be unbalanced but it isn't really meant for everyone. Platforming is ok, it's just a huge problem on UN

elder meadow
#

i dont get why some people find the platforming hard in doom 4, you usually get used to it by the 3rd level

lethal bison
jolly geyser
#

That's actually a great point lol

lethal bison
#

Also he complains that platforming is broken because it kills ya, as if platforming that kills ya wasn’t a thing in other video games, so why does this “platforming problem” make 2016 a bad game

jolly geyser
#

I even just done a no ammo upgrades NM run recently

lethal bison
#

This was all said on ABritishPotato’s video against clockner, and tbh I personally see some faults but more awesomeness in both games, like both 2016 and Eternal are great games, but this guy seems to actively bash 2016 because he likes DOOM Eternal

jolly geyser
#

The game gives you freedom. You want to feel op and fuck up everything with what the game gave you? sure go ahead. You want to have more challenging gameplay? just don't take everything in the game. it isn't hard

lethal bison
#

^

halcyon bear
jolly geyser
#

having to use the chainsaw because I only had 20 shotgun shells was nice

lethal bison
#

So basically playing Eternal, but in 2016, sounds fun tbh.

#

No Health and Armor upgrades must be horrible when an imp can kill half of your health and armor in one go :3

halcyon bear
#

Thats just motivation to not get hit

jolly geyser
snow heron
#

Imps are tanky in 2016. When the cling to walls it feels there health just gets boosted. In the opening arenas at least

lethal bison
halcyon bear
#

Love to use the dev rounds when they do that

wispy verge
#

iddqd

toxic igloo
#

made it to the triple mancubus room on lazarus labs on UN... shame I died there but im pretty happy with how far I got

wispy verge
#

damn, congrats

#

may your next run be more successful

toxic igloo
#

my next run ended by a moving cart on level 2

#

was trying a shortcut and it went wrong

chrome basin
#

which one's the triple manc room? the circle around the bfg?

halcyon bear
#

Yeah I think that's what he means

toxic igloo
#

nah an encounter before with the mancubus corpse in the middle and the 4x damage

chrome basin
#

oh, the one i was talking about was in the advanced research complex, before that

#

get the order confused sometimes

toxic igloo
#

oh wait im dumb

#

its not before its after in the next level

#

the one youre talking about is tough too tho

halcyon bear
#

Ahhh makes sense

toxic igloo
#

just died because I staggered a hell knight, went in for the glory kill and it somehow instantly unstaggered and killed me

#

man I was doing perfectly until then

chrome basin
#

i had that happen once

#

with a hell knight

nimble vessel
remote spoke
#

i finally beat un

#

i drank a lot of red bull though and died of many glitches

jolly geyser
#

You did what more than 99% of DOOM 4 players couldn't do.

#

red bull helps though?

#

if so, then I'm definitely buying a red bull truck!

halcyon bear
#

I usually just drink beer

harsh cave
#

i just lost an UN run because an imp shot me through a wall

jolly geyser
#

lmfao I love your status bro

elder meadow
jolly geyser
#

huh interesting

tardy cape
#

Byte Me got a new WR for 100% UN. 2:14:50 I believe.

halcyon bear
#

I usually don't need energy drinks for gaming because I'm sweaty enough already

noble moat
#

I own doom 2017

snow heron
shrewd marsh
#

I want to draw a hellknight but I have no motivation

#

anyone got ideas?

compact echo
#

Game

shrewd marsh
#

smart idea

#

time to start a Nightmare run

sleek herald
#

What level do I get air control

wispy verge
#

destroyed argent facility

#

if my memory isnt bad again

elder meadow
#

hey yall

#

im just wonderin if it's possible to play doom 2016 mouse and controller on ps4?

keen wigeon
elder meadow
#

that's a pretty normal thing

#

it's used in lots of shooters

keen wigeon
#

okey then

elder meadow
#

i just don't know if it's a thing in doom 4

wanton musk
#

idk about you all but ive got the game of the year edition of DOOM 2015 under my belt and im pretty sure im the only one B)

red lintel
#

incredible flex

zenith quiver
#

anyone wanna play doom 2016 multiplayer on switch

glass salmon
#

i like doom

#

does anyone else here like doom

jolly geyser
#

Imagine not liking doom

red lintel
#

i think i like doom

elder meadow
#

doom is pretty epic

rigid oxide
#

Doom 2016 has such a nice look to it

#

Like what if doom 64 was modern (specifically the hell levels)

sleek herald
#

I wanna play doom 2016 with eternal mechanics

wispy verge
#

why doe

rigid bridge
#

Why would you do this to us

timid canopy
#

i had to

rigid bridge
#

Pain

unique dove
timid canopy
#

yes i did

sleek herald
#

There was literally nothing to compel you to do that

halcyon bear
vale gulch
#

So I bought this game today and it first launched perfectly and I got to change all my settings and the api to Vulkan but after the restart, everytime I started the game it gets to the main menu and stutters for a sec after choosing a mode and gives an error called: vkAquireNextImageHKR failed with error(VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST)

This also stops my mouse from working and showing up so I have to keep restarting my pc.

I'm using latest gpu drivers, latest windows 10, tried turning off windows defender, as well as even launching the exe in the files, I can't seem to find this error anywhere and don't know how to fix this

Edit: Now it gives no error and does it at the menu

Edit2: fixed, I corrupted my saved games folder by quitting while loading

velvet mist
#

Bruh is multiplayer actually dead? Couldn't find someone to play with but it's actually fun

bright oracle
vale gulch
marsh depot
#

Scam

abstract isle
jolly geyser
vale gulch
#

Which is why verifying didn't do anything

jolly geyser
#

np

snow heron
#

I corrupted my UV save by accidentally enabling dev mode in the console without cheat engine turning on god mode and jumping down a death pit and effectively soft locking myself

#

Idk how the actual file got messed up though

jolly geyser
#

That's an F

livid shell
#

When I finished doom 2016 once at an hourt me plenty will the second pass be better for me on ultra violence or nightmare?

#

I also don't want it to be completely easy

wispy verge
#

UV probably

livid shell
#

I also played eternal on hurt me plenty to 6th level

wispy verge
#

from my experience NM is a big step up from UV

#

let alone HMP

jolly geyser
livid shell
#

and ?

jolly geyser
#

Didn't feel much difference.

wispy verge
jolly geyser
#

But you can get instakilled if you aren't wise with your movement

jolly geyser
wispy verge
#

my first run was on UV

jolly geyser
#

My second run was on NM, never had much more fun.

#

I also tried UN but died in Foundry because I fell in lava

#

Reee

wispy verge
jolly geyser
#

Fucking masochist

wispy verge
#

with the amount of combat breakdowns I watched I feel like Im five universes ahead of all the demons already

wispy verge
#

you know that jump between two ledges next to the arena with the gore nest? I now just take the long path because I always manage to fall down

#

petition to have double jump from level 1

jolly geyser
livid shell
#

Can I go back to my ended game slot to collect everything ?

wispy verge
#

yes

jolly geyser
#

Yeah

livid shell
#

And when I get back to some mission will be there enemies ?

jolly geyser
livid shell
#

I tough no bcs I killed them before KEKW

sleek herald
#

Have you never finished a game before

livid shell
#

I am new at story games

#

I finished like 10

snow heron
livid shell
rigid bridge
#

It’s a singleplayer campaign

livid shell
#

ye

rigid bridge
#

Single player is great you should play more single player games

livid shell
#

yea but I buy them only in sales KEKW

snow heron
livid shell
snow heron
livid shell
#

Actually I like the lore of doom 64, 2016 and eternal

snow heron
#

It’s pretty fun to talk about even though 2016 and Eternals lore contradicts itself in some places

#

I mean not counting Doom RPG Doom 3 is the most story driven Doom game imo

halcyon bear
#

Its basically the same story from orginal doom with extra spice and betruger

hazy stratus
#

Eh does anyone want to play multiplayer? I just recently bought this game at PS4 sale

snow heron
halcyon bear
#

Absolutely. And in vr is next level. You can almost feel the heat

snow heron
#

QuakeCon 2022: We know Doom VFR was a massive disappointment but we got John Carmack to help us since we didn’t know what we where doing and in DOOM Eternal VFR you can now FEEL the Argent slowly corrupting your soul. DOOM Eternal VFR coming 6/6/6666 to a Gore Nest near you.

rigid bridge
snow heron
civic verge
#

hey guys, remember demon destruction from doom 2016? it was one of the secrets in olivia's lab. anyway, anyone else want that turned into a mobile game?

jolly geyser
#

Yeah that would be cool

harsh cave
#

its a pretty generic bejeweled-type puzzle game

civic verge
exotic cave
#

Ran Argent D'Nur UN Arcade for the first time

rich oar
#

can someone tell me the line copy and paste of samuel haydan with the crucible when he was talking to doomguy

#

nvm i think im good

queen monolith
#

can anyone help me with something

jolly geyser
queen monolith
queen monolith
jolly geyser
queen monolith
wispy verge
livid shell
#

He mean that one in the hell ?

wispy verge
#

the only yellow thing in Kadingir Sanctum is the yellow skull key door

jolly geyser
#

yeah lol

#

perhaps he means the portal behind the door?

lavish kraken
#

man doom 2016's UAC environments were always so nice looking

#

but the hell ones were so... i dunno. they looked cool but i hated playing them

hazy stratus
#

Guys, i have a question

#

Why at doom ps4, i want to play multiplayer, there is a statement said that "unable to join dedicated server"

jolly geyser
lavish kraken
#

i havent asked many people their opinions regarding that stuff but based on how painful some of the environments in 2016's hell were i wouldnt be surprised if it was generally wide spread

#

platforming in an FPS game where you instantly die in pits crazy

wispy verge
#

i dunno but I kinda like the hell levels

jolly geyser
#

I like them but I personally enjoyed the UAC levels way more

wispy verge
#

Titan's Realm my beloved

jolly geyser
#

Titan's Realm is my favorite hell level

#

So dark and vibrant

sleek herald
#

Anyone up for 2016 multiplayer on switch

#

Dm me for me friend code

#

Gonna be doing free for all

#

Doing beginners only for now

#

@rigid oxide @earnest tide @rapid sphinx

rigid oxide
sleek herald
#

I guess I’ll go up against bots

rigid oxide
#

😔

sleek herald
#

Are you going to be home any time soon?

rigid oxide
#

Uh maybe in like an 1 hour 30

rapid sphinx
rigid oxide
#

If yall want to do a game session

rapid sphinx
#

I’ll be doing stuff in 1hr30 but should be back not long after and could probably hop on multiplayer.

rigid oxide
#

Okay

sleek herald
#

Alright I’ll set a time for an hour and a half

rigid oxide
#

Might be later but I'll try and be there soon

sleek herald
#

Don’t rush whatever you’re doing for me

sleek herald
#

Aight it’s been an hour and a half and I’m lfg

#

Beginners only

#

@rigid oxide @earnest tide @rapid sphinx

rigid oxide
#

Still not home

sleek herald
#

Any eta?

rigid oxide
#

Soon

#

Like maybe 30 more minutes

#

Or less

sleek herald
#

Ok

rigid oxide
#

Am home

sleek herald
#

Beginners only

#

I think I’ve got you on my switch

rigid oxide
#

Beginners only is locked

sleek herald
#

Ah

#

Free for all then

#

Also my code is SW-2804-8013-2527

#

Searching for a game

rigid oxide
#

Hold on

#

I've got to do something really fast

sleek herald
#

Ok

rigid oxide
#

Added you

sleek herald
#

Yep

rigid oxide
#

And im done with my thing

sleek herald
#

Nice

rigid oxide
#

We really need to get a group together for this

sleek herald
#

Yea

rigid oxide
#

Why does the multiplayer have to be dead

#

On switch that is

sleek herald
#

Yea

#

It’s just a lot of switch players are kids

#

And those who do play doom are probably playing eternal

rigid oxide
#

But 2016 multiplayer

sleek herald
#

Still searching for ffa

rigid oxide
#

;-;

sleek herald
#

Yes it’s better than battlemode

rigid oxide
sleek herald
#

Huh

rigid oxide
sleek herald
#

Lets just try private battles

rigid oxide
#

Invite me

sleek herald
#

Bruh how

#

Got it

#

Lmao I never thought I’d see rover in a doom game

rigid oxide
#

Burh I don't get an invite

#

What the hell

sleek herald
#

It said I invited you

#

There we go

#

Do you get xp from this

rigid oxide
#

Idk

sleek herald
#

Hope so

rigid oxide
#

I don't think so

#

Sadly

#

I got timed out in my favorite game

sleek herald
#

Damn no xp

#

Hold on I gotta do something

rigid oxide
#

If you want to try again later to get the squad in here we can

#

I'm free all day

sleek herald
#

Yea I can wait for a squad

#

But I can play again now

rigid oxide
#

2016 isn't built for 1v1 death match

sleek herald
#

Yea

rigid oxide
#

Most maps are too big

sleek herald
#

Ye

rigid oxide
#

Also what's the counter play when someone gets The BFG

sleek herald
#

Yea there’s literally no way I would’ve won without it

rigid oxide
#

You got quake?

sleek herald
#

Also what’s your region

rigid oxide
#

North America

sleek herald
#

That’s why we couldn’t connect

rigid oxide
#

Eu?

sleek herald
#

I’m in Europe

rigid oxide
#

Yeah

sleek herald
#

Let’s try a ffa

rigid oxide
#

I thought my sniper shots were being weird

sleek herald
#

Yea

rigid oxide
#

Hey it worked

sleek herald
#

Aight

#

Only two more people

rigid oxide
#

Now we need 2 more gamers

sleek herald
#

HEY NERDS

rigid oxide
#

Bloodrush a good map

sleek herald
#

you wanna play 2016 switch multiplayer

#

Ye I like the jump pads

#

@rapid sphinx @earnest tide

#

You wanna play?

rapid sphinx
#

I’ll be able to jump on in like 30

sleek herald
#

Ok

#

Have I friended you on switch

sleek herald
#

Bruh I got kicked

rigid oxide
#

I'm gonna take a nap I'm really tired

#

How's later tonight work for everyone

sleek herald
#

Ye ok

rigid oxide
#

You are on eu time so let's say uh 3pm est

#

Or later whatever works for yall

rapid sphinx
#

👍

snow heron
#

Imagine if just one day without saying anything id just patches the BFG exploit

halcyon bear
#

The exploit is for the weak

wispy verge
#

why use BFG weapon wheel trick when can quickswap

red lintel
#

because quickswap kinda shit in this game

sleek herald
#

Yea

sleek herald
halcyon bear
#

Not really. Unless you're the only use the ssg type

sleek herald
#

I didn’t know about that for my first playthrough

#

And using only ssg is just boring

snow heron
#

I got the mod that increases quick swapping speed so SSG Gauss Cannon is useful

halcyon bear
#

Its for the weak because if you NEED to use the exploit that's lame as hell. Using it for the laughs though is cool

snow heron
halcyon bear
#

Oh definitely

#

Its hilarious

snow heron
#

It is

rigid oxide
#

I feel a lot better

sleek herald
#

Alright boys it’s time

#

North American servers

#

@rigid oxide @rapid sphinx

rigid oxide
#

Yes

#

Ffa?

sleek herald
#

Yep

#

Another guy joined but I think he gave up

#

Cause I don’t see him anymore

rigid oxide
#

Ahhhh gamers

sleek herald
#

Oo

rigid oxide
#

Please 1 more person 🥺

sleek herald
#

One more player

#

Cmooooonnnnnn

#

Noooo

rigid oxide
#

Nooooooo the left

sleek herald
#

Whyyyyyy

#

Oh?

#

You left

rigid oxide
#

Was checking something

#

I usually do team play

#

Was seeing if that was active

#

It was not sadly 😔

sleek herald
#

Yea

#

And we only need two people for ffa

#

Other than us

rapid sphinx
#

I’ll be on once i’m back from this doordash 💸

sleek herald
#

Ooo

rigid oxide
#

👀 what you running

sleek herald
#

We’ve got three

rigid oxide
#

Bring me back McDonald's

sleek herald
#

we got three

#

How do you get new skins

rigid oxide
#

What you mean?

#

Like armor sets?

#

You just play a lot

sleek herald
#

But how do you unlock them

#

Like once you get customisation do you get all the skins

#

Or do you unlock them at every level

rigid oxide
#

@ me if it starts I'm checking ps4 multiplayer just to see what's its like

rigid oxide
sleek herald
#

Damn it

#

He left

rigid oxide
rapid sphinx
#

Wish they’d somehow go back and make the skins and stuff unlockable just by playing the campaign the way Eternal does

sleek herald
#

Yes

rapid sphinx
#

Feels like that’d be a pretty simple patch

rigid oxide
#

PS4 is slow but I can find players kinda

#

Hope pc is better

#

I love the multiplayer

rapid sphinx
#

Yeah I heard pc is best for multi

#

Real shame there’s no crossplay

rigid oxide
#

This would solve all our problems

rapid sphinx
#

Literally

rigid oxide
#

It would also create new ones

rapid sphinx
#

Lol true

rigid oxide
#

Cuz now I'm fighting someone who can aim with a mouse

rapid sphinx
#

They should do it like Apex

rigid oxide
#

Kidding I can play quake with a controller pretty well

#

Can rocket jump

rapid sphinx
#

Where they won’t match you with PC players unless you have a PC player in your lobby

rigid oxide
#

And b hop kinda

rapid sphinx
#

I really gotta get quake but i’m so tempted to wait on a sale

rigid oxide
#

Bro it's $10

rapid sphinx
#

I know lol

rigid oxide
#

On any platform

rapid sphinx
#

I do like that they brought all the platforms prices in line with one another

rigid oxide
#

Steam will probably still do sales

#

Can't say the same about switch

rapid sphinx
#

The doom stuff goes on sale pretty often, i got the whole doom collection on sale

#

I imagine quake will also start going on regular sales with the other bethesda stuff

#

Like 2-3x a year

rigid oxide
#

Damn PS4s got some committed players

#

I can get a game

rapid sphinx
#

Jealous

rigid oxide
#

A half-full Lobby

#

I wish switch would get this

sleek herald
#

Yea

#

Infinite you home yet?

rigid oxide
#

@sleek herald if I disconnect just at me

sleek herald
#

Got it

rigid oxide
#

Playing a ps4 game real quick

sleek herald
#

Ok

#

I might’ve found someone willing to play

#

Never mind

rigid oxide
#

Switch players really out here struggling

sleek herald
#

Yea

lavish kraken
#

i can confirm that as a switch player i am struggling in every sense with games, because for some reason, stardew valley lags at times. shit's pathetic

rigid oxide
#

All our problems will be solved with the steam deck

#

It's like the switch but I get my whole steam library and get to play with PC players

lavish kraken
#

or i could just buy a gpu already and actually build the computer i want instead of hesitating HappyGuy

#

like ive been doing for so long HappyGuy

#

wouldnt be surprised if the steam deck genuinely gave nintendo a run for their money assuming its good as a product on launch

rigid oxide
#

I just want to play Portal 2 on the go

#

I love that game

#

Oh and yeah building the PC of my dreams that's something I've also been putting off

lavish kraken
#

if i can load an emulator onto the steam deck i might buy it just for that because that alone would be pretty damn neat

noble moat
#

U can do anything a pc can

lavish kraken
rigid oxide
#

Quake 2 is based

noble moat
#

Yes

lavish kraken
#

i can do that (i am one)

#

i wont send proof

rigid oxide
#

But can it run Spiderman PS4

sleek herald
#

Bob can you play

rigid oxide
#

But can he beat Goku

rapid sphinx
sleek herald
#

Aight

#

@rigid oxide I’m gonna leave the lobby and try again

noble moat
# sleek herald Aight

Actually I saw your message and realized I hasn’t redownload Ed 2016 since I upgraded my micro sd card

#

So it’s downloading now

sleek herald
#

Ffa again

sleek herald
noble moat
#

Funna be like an hour tho

sleek herald
#

Eh at least it’s an option

#

And I can probably wait that long

rigid oxide
#

Only for them to leave not too long after because no one else is joining

rapid sphinx
#

I’m down to do a private 3 player while we wait once i’m back

sleek herald
#

Griffey I left the lobby

rigid oxide
#

Sure

rapid sphinx
#

Just so i can try it with not bots

sleek herald
#

Tried to find a new one

rigid oxide
sleek herald
#

Didn’t work

rigid oxide
#

Sad

#

What's your favorite game mode

#

Asking anyone who plays 2016 multiplayer

sleek herald
#

Never tried any other than ffa and team death match

rigid oxide
#

I love freeze tag

sleek herald
#

We got another player in my lobby

#

I invited you

sleek herald
rapid sphinx
#

Oh shit i’m like 2 lights away

rigid oxide
#

Drive don't text

sleek herald
#

Noooo he left

#

Fuck

rapid sphinx
#

Rip

rapid sphinx
sleek herald
#

Drive

scarlet tendon
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Why is that snap maps are not more popular, GOAT add-on especially for consoles.

rigid oxide
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Wish snapmap still existed

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@noble moat @rapid sphinx @sleek herald yall wanna just wait to play once Bob gets the game all downloaded

sleek herald
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Yea

rapid sphinx
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I’m good with whateva

sleek herald
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I don’t mind waiting

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I’m gonna practice against bots

rigid oxide
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I'm going to play the super Gore Nest Master level on switch

sleek herald
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Cool good luck

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Fuck I can’t play tonight

rapid sphinx
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@sleek herald You wanna do a private match? I just got on

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We can keep some bots on too

rigid oxide
rapid sphinx
rigid oxide
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Its like 10 or something there rn

noble moat
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I’m at like 75% downloaded

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So likely another half an hour

sleek herald
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Wait a minute I might be able to do one game

rapid sphinx
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Nice

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I invited you to a private lobby

sleek herald
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Oh is that you

rapid sphinx
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Yeah

sleek herald
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Ohh I do have you added

rapid sphinx
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Yeah we already FC'ed each other

sleek herald
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Damn I thought I had someone else added and we had 4 players

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Eh it’s fine

rapid sphinx
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We have you me and griff and bob

sleek herald
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You wanna 1v1 or what

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Cause I gotta get off soon

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Cause Europe time

rapid sphinx
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I was just thinking FFA with some bots thrown in

sleek herald
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Sure

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Let’s go

rapid sphinx
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I'm gonna go 8 players and hard bots

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Any map preference?

rigid oxide
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I'll join

sleek herald
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Nope

rapid sphinx
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Nice!

sleek herald
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Oh cool

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I think there’s one that starts with a p

rigid oxide
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I didn't beat the level but it was classic mode so eh I'll do it later

sleek herald
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Ye that one

rapid sphinx
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This looks sick

sleek herald
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Yea

rigid oxide
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Invite me

sleek herald
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I can’t

rapid sphinx
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I just did griff

sleek herald
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There we go

rapid sphinx
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Oh shit level 18 look at this guy

sleek herald
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Ok let’s go

rapid sphinx
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Starting

rigid oxide
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I played the hell out of this when it was popular

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Because it was the only fun shooter on the switch

rapid sphinx
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Wish I could have been around for the glory days

rigid oxide
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It looks something like this but with real people

rapid sphinx
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Good kill lol

sleek herald
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Gg

rapid sphinx
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Holy hell that was tough lol

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Gg!

sleek herald
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Yea

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Alright you guys have fun imma go to bed

rapid sphinx
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I need to do some more practice mode

sleek herald
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Bruh I was second

rapid sphinx
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I gotta go do a doordash

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You did great lmao

sleek herald
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I dont know how

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I just kept chucking grenades

rapid sphinx
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You almost won

rigid oxide
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Good games

sleek herald
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I would’ve won I had the bot in the lead in gk state

rapid sphinx
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Daaaamn

sleek herald
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But I thought I killed him then he killed me

rigid oxide
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I beefed all my shots on my sniper rifle

sleek herald
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Ye

rapid sphinx
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I was getting roasted by bots

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Def could use more practice like juicebox

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I'm gonna be tied up for a couple hours but i'll dm my friend code to @noble moat for later

rigid oxide
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Okay

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Later gamers

noble moat
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I don’t accept friend codes 👀

rapid sphinx
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Oh that's fine

sleek herald
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Just out of curiosity why not

toxic igloo
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died in the pinky room on lazarus on UN

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I feel like such an idiot

halcyon bear
toxic igloo
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yeah I forgot how much damage a pinky does and make the risk of trying to siege shot one of them

sleek herald
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Yea

runic valley
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Yo, is the game supposed to crash every single time you alt+tab?

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Well then I think I've got a problem.

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Sure, thanks.

rigid oxide
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Do you know how to cheese that room?

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If not just go to the secret Mega health where you can find the doomguy toy

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Camp there and kill everything in the room

halcyon bear
toxic igloo
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oh I will start doing that next

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if I make it there again... doomcry

snow heron
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I’m planning to attempt a DOOM 2016 UN run this weekend any tips?

toxic igloo
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practice each level beforehand and have patience in early game since you will die there a lot

halcyon bear
toxic igloo
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I have died twice on UN to hell knights glitching and unstaggering as soon as I stagger them for glory kill

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this is so frustrating