doom-2016

[dry sinew]

kinda hard, no?

[elder meadow]

on controller?

[fringe hill]

welp, I can confirm that indeed, DooM 2016 works on my PC and runs flawlessly

although heating up my PC a lot, but hey, some of my games do that.

and besides, its a game that came out for consoles, so my PC heating up was bound to happen

[fiery yoke]

I'm a controller player but PC has objectively better swapping speeds so you have a huge advantage there

[sand tinsel]

Its obviously gonna be better on mouse and keyboard but it isnt too hard on controller either

[wispy verge]

kinda wanna try playing on a controller

[sand tinsel]

Lol

[halcyon bear]

This is true. But don't underestimate practice and experience

[green fjord]

Another call for those on pc who would like to do a multiplayer xp farm for the cyberdemonic armor achievement

[elder meadow]

Whats the last mission?

[royal chasm]

Argent D'Nur

[elder meadow]

Thanjs

[azure pawn]

Transistor fist is a bop

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0IvPqXMyw

https://tenor.com/view/catvibe-gif-18088574

This bot is making VEGA my least favorite character

[wispy verge]

lmao

[loud ibex]

I have no experience in the multiplayer shenanigans but sure

Lemme go down to my computer first

[slim pebble]

Anyone like the 2016 Possessed more than Eternal Zombies?

[royal chasm]

yeah they're creepier

[halcyon bear]

They really look tortured

[autumn crater]

True

[torn bloom]

hey

anyone alive

[royal vault]

Nah

[torn bloom]

Question

Ive decided to open up my Own snapmap creations on doom

If you want to join you can

Its gonna be a group

[untold stirrup]

sigh, this vtuber i swear has an obsession for the pistol bejeezus

charged burst as the first mod choice

and doesn't know how to use weapon mods

she didn't even know you could charge up the pistol until i told her

[last rapids]

cool

[untold stirrup]

its depressing

[rigid bridge]

Does she have the shotgun yet

[sullen wagon]

sigh, this vtuber.

[elder meadow]

im stuck on this mission i cant find a area

[sullen wagon]

which one

[untold stirrup]

yep

she got the shotgun long time ago

in the beginning levels she used only the pistol

she still doesn't know how to use mods yet

omfg she's still using the pistol

idk if i should be horrified or impressed

[rigid bridge]

Bruh

[untold stirrup]

she just tried to shoot a hell knight to death

with guess what

yeah, the pistol

2 hours in and she still doesn't know how to use weapon mods

[rigid bridge]

is the chat telling her that shes fucking this shit up

[untold stirrup]

The chat was spamming "use the shotgun" and "use explosive shot" and "use mods"

[rigid bridge]

dammit

[untold stirrup]

She even forgot she could charge up the pistol

Earlier when she was playing she could do it

Yeah it was depressing

The vtuber's name is IRyS

It is her first time playing

But fucking god even korone did better than her

[rigid bridge]

lol

[untold stirrup]

And korone did doom eternal as well and mick had a cameo

[rigid bridge]

was that real

[untold stirrup]

Yeah

[rigid bridge]

holy shit

[untold stirrup]

I'll link it here

Do you want the meme version or the actual stream

[rigid bridge]

the link to the stream

[untold stirrup]

Alr lemme find it and timestamp it

The meme version is called "mick gordon reacts to anime" lol

I find it hilarious

[rigid bridge]

yeah

[royal chasm]

what is vtube

[untold stirrup]

ok i found it

i timestamped it to when mick said "wtf am i watching"

https://youtu.be/lxwL-FCt0iY?t=3547

[royal chasm]

Dear god

what the fuck is this voice

[untold stirrup]

vtube is virtual tube basically

people have a filter with anime character

[royal chasm]

Oh my god this is the worst. Why why why is she an anime girl, why is she talking like that holy shit

[untold stirrup]

that's what vtube is

[royal chasm]

disgusting

[rigid bridge]

look at her pinned comment lmao

And yes, my voice is stupid annoying in this and I swear I talk far more normally in recent streams.

[royal chasm]

Absolutely not, I refuse to give her one more second of my time

[untold stirrup]

well at least mick cameo

[royal chasm]

that made it worth it

[nocturne escarp]

Finally got the plasma

[elder meadow]

Anyone on multiplayer

[sand tinsel]

What mission you at now?

[nocturne escarp]

Mission 5

The checkpoint just before the final battle

That semicircular thing

[sand tinsel]

Oke

[nocturne escarp]

Guys what's snapmap

[compact hare]

Doom 2016 map creator

[nocturne escarp]

Ok

[golden pumice]

"fine, you give me no choice but to bring out my ultimate weapon"
pulls out quad damage siege mode gauss cannon

[sand tinsel]

Seige mode gauss cannon is op on its own lol

[golden pumice]

and the ultimate upgrade jut removes balance

[loud ibex]

I'm done with the story and I only have a couple more maps to find collectibles and stuff in which maps should i be farming to get the mastery's on?

[golden pumice]

samuel hayden kinda thicc ngl

[golden pumice]

gauss cannon

[loud ibex]

I have the siege mode mastery I need to do the other one tho

[royal vault]

Ya think?

[elder meadow]

how did you do it im stuck on the 3rd mission i cant find the yellow door key

[royal vault]

Try to use the map

[loud ibex]

🗿

[elder meadow]

that dosent show anything

[royal vault]

Huh

Well, I'm out of ideas.

Are you playing Foundry? (Is that level 3?)

[loud ibex]

Maybe that's it?

[elder meadow]

yeah i am,

[royal vault]

I'm not great with 2016's maps

[elder meadow]

there is a video i foundx

[golden pumice]

level 3 suit AST shows collectibles like suit tokens and argent cells

[loud ibex]

And uhhh switches

[golden pumice]

finally

max argent cell

[elder meadow]

the chainsaw is so brutal lol

[golden pumice]

well it is a chainsaw

[elder meadow]

im pretty sure i got this game when it came out and now im playing it

[golden pumice]

late

[halcyon bear]

Its never to late to experience perfection

[golden pumice]

puts on gatling rotator
"I am heavy weapons guy"

oh my god

i just revved the chainsaw while a pinky ran at me and they just exploded on contact

[royal chasm]

I've seen that before!

[golden pumice]

imagine a mod for doom that drops chainsaw ammo on chainsaw kills

or a chainsaw upgrade that makes it run on demon blood

[near tapir]

can I have more doom pls 😈

[gentle iron]

I only need 2016 doom and then I have everything

[elder meadow]

just saying

the doom 2016 campaign is too short

[royal chasm]

It's about the same as the eternal campaign lmao

[flint dune]

Compared to other FPS campaigns it’s decently long. Especially when you take out the 5 hours worth of cutscenes in modern games.

[royal chasm]

dear god I watched a buddy play one of the new mortal kombats... fuck if I bought a game with that many cutscenes I would be FURIOUS

[flint dune]

Oh yeah, the modern Mortal Kombat games are some of the best examples of “interactive movie” out there. Not sure how the classics fare in that regard though.

I still buy the games for the PvP, but those campaigns might as well be 6+ hour long movies.

[golden pumice]

so other FPS games with campaigns are like 5/7 hours long?

[flint dune]

If you don’t count the cutscenes, yep. At least from the games I’ve seen, and/or played.

[cyan wagon]

indeed

[halcyon bear]

7 , 8 hours is around average

[cyan wagon]

my gpu goes to 80C when playing DOOM 2016 😭

how do i make the temps lower

[halcyon bear]

Fans

[golden pumice]

ice (dont)

[cyan wagon]

fans are at 2500RPM

[wispy verge]

make them go 6900

[loud ibex]

No, you use GAUSS CANNON

[halcyon bear]

Seige mode your pc

[elder meadow]

dowom etewnal

[royal vault]

This is my 13th Reason Why

[elder meadow]

me when playing doom be like: I HAVE NO GENDER, ONLY RAGE

[royal chasm]

that right there is why i want to cast Tessa Thompson as doomguy in the movie nobody wants to make

but it would be AWESOME

[elder meadow]

thats a thumbs up from me

[rigid bridge]

Doesn’t feel big and muscular enough
She can be badass but not the right flavor of badass

[nocturne escarp]

?

isnt doomguy a guy

lmao they actually did make a doom movie

[rigid bridge]

They made two, both were terrible

[nocturne escarp]

lmaoo

yesterday i was thinking they should make a doom movie

and today i hear this

[azure pawn]

Yes

They literally refer to him as him in both eternal and 2016

[rigid bridge]

No need for all the extra evidence doomguy has always been a guy including the masculine status bar face and sound effects in classic doom

The point is not “is he a guy in the game” but “could ‘doomgal’ work in a movie”

[azure pawn]

Didn’t someone already try that?

You know, the dumpster fire that is DOOM Annihilation

[royal chasm]

The fact that Annihilation had a woman is not why it sucked

[azure pawn]

Yeah it sucked because the acting was horrible and it was just the 2005 doom movie but worse

[rigid bridge]

And that’s why “somebody already tried it” isn’t a reason not to have a female doomguy

I’m honestly more partial to doomguy being a guy in any doom movie cause that’s the character but I’d be fine either way

[halcyon bear]

Balgaar

[smoky inlet]

There's no need for a Doom movie, it'll be quite boring, just a guy shooting and killing demons throughout the whole movie, it'll be hated

[brisk osprey]

how do I skip cutscenes?

[flint sky]

Hey @halcyon bear and @rigid bridge didn’t realise you were here!

[elder meadow]

The last 2 doom movies weren’t good idk why people would want more.

[flint sky]

In my head I’ve like a 2min movie. Doom 3 is probably the best contender but that literally was the Doom 2005 movie plot

[azure pawn]

And the DOOM Annihilation plot

[rigid bridge]

Woah

Hello there

[elder meadow]

I have just finished doom 2016, What can I say

It's 100% a masterpiece, now I'm collecting every collectible and playing classic maps, Also I need some people to play multiplayer with me

Doom 2016 is addictive asf.

I’m excited to get my hands on eternal once it goes on sale again.

I wish I could get doom eternal

Are you a ps4 player?

PC

Can I ping ps4 players so I can play snapmap and multiplayer with them?

For the trophies, I just need the trophies

[prime birch]

nice save

[halcyon bear]

I'm everywhere potato overlord

[wispy verge]

kinda forgot how poggers this game is ngl

[brisk osprey]

since this is the closest thing to vfr I'll ask here

is vfr on oculous quest 2?

[wispy verge]

most likely

[south maple]

im streaming me trying, failing, and repeating me trying to beat ultra nightmare

[loud ibex]

You cant in 2016

[loud ibex]

I just need to update my GPU to play eternal already have it downloaded

Sorry for pings btw

[halcyon bear]

"How do you skip the 1.34 seconds before a fight "

Chill

[sullen wagon]

nah the unskippable scenes in 2016 are a serious problem

that convo with samuel? oh my lord

might as well leave the game running, go make some pasta

[azure pawn]

Ok cool

[sullen wagon]

LOL

yes 2016 is very half life in this regard

at least with hl2 you play it in great part for the story, doom not so much

but yeah that hl1 opening is a major deterrent for replays

[torn marsh]

I'm looking for a way to get all achievements in 2016, I already have all the singleplayer ones, but multiplayer achievements :\

should I just use steam achievement manager or something

[wispy verge]

in HL it somehow fits in, in Doom im just like fucking hell let me kill more shit already

[nocturne escarp]

Is there a icon of sin in doom 2016

[wispy verge]

well technically there is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQCakdo-Rmo

[royal chasm]

the half life opening is actually okay. I argue it's better because it's brand new worldbuilding and they're showing you weird and interesting stuff. If you want a shitty game opening I point to Descent

Huge, long walls of text describing the mission, why you're on the mission, each enemy type, bla bla bla

[nocturne escarp]

No like is there for fighting

[wispy verge]

nope

but from what Ive seen the icon of sin fight in Eternal is kinda lame anyway

Heavy emphasis on seen, I havent actually gotten there yet :(

[nocturne escarp]

Ok

[fringe hill]

the game is taking a long time to install on my PC

[wispy verge]

yes?

[nocturne escarp]

Yeah it does that

Do it overnight

[fringe hill]

its morning

it started downloading at I think 1 PM

and its 5 minutes away till 6 PM

and its halfway done...

so yeah, it'll be downloading for a while

[prisma forge]

gonna play some 2016 tonight

[fringe hill]

kool

[halcyon bear]

I like cutscenes. I've put almost 2000 into 2016. Doesn't bother me at all. step away and go grab a snack or something

[prisma forge]

2000 hours?

[sullen wagon]

sweet madonna

[wispy verge]

tbh I couldnt play 2k hours of a doom game

[fossil pawn]

Do you know the color of grass?

[halcyon bear]

This is why no one will remember your name

[wispy verge]

not that I want anyone to

[sullen wagon]

Heyyy u stole that from epicgamer he said that to me. I got my eye on you gougaru 😉

[halcyon bear]

He actually stole that from me !

[halcyon bear]

Is it fireblu?

[wispy verge]

bingo

[sullen wagon]

the plot thickens

[prisma forge]

i played 200 hours of eternal and thought thats a lot

[wispy verge]

for me its just that it would get boring

waaaaaay before I ever reached something like 2k

Unless I achieve that amount through like 5 years of playtime, while not obsessing over the game

[prisma forge]

this guy must hardly ever leave his house
and when he does, olivia hologram pops up and says "he must never be allowed to walk out of here, he will ruin everything"

i played dota2 for 8k hours in ~7 years but thats a multiplayer game , moba hours are easy to farm

[halcyon bear]

Only 2 games I played the shit out of. That was classic doom 2016 and halo combat evolved. Some games just click with people more than others. The first time I restarted doom 2016 as soon as I beat it I knew I was in trouble

[elder meadow]

Anyone on the MP

[sullen wagon]

i played metal gear 5 for around 600, thats the most i went with any game

holy jesus i cant imagine playing the same game for 8000

[halcyon bear]

When I play something and it clicks I want to be the best at it. So I put the hours in.

Not a fan of being a casual

[prisma forge]

when I started playing that game I was in high school. i finished that, college, and then been working for like 4 years after that. i quit last month.

and all that while still being lowest tier of trash at it

[halcyon bear]

You're to hard on yourself

[prisma forge]

oh no, no regrets. i enjoyed it a lot. now csgo is my best friend lul

feels like went from coke to meth

but anyways, what I was saying that 8k hours in dota 2 feela much lesser than 2k hours in doom

[halcyon bear]

Different for everyone. I love doom 2016 so that's all I got to say on why

Haven't played in a bit though been doing way to much classic. Recording a UN run soon

[novel gate]

Sup

[prisma forge]

good luck with that
i played a lot of eternal nightmare recently
hopped on 2016 and got shredded in the very first level

[wispy verge]

ah yes imps

heard that imps on nightmare in Eternal are jokes compared to D16 imps on nightmare

[halcyon bear]

I've done 2 deathless nightmare runs already for practice

[prisma forge]

imps in eternal nightmare are difficult, imps in 2016 throw heat seeking balls of death

do you have a youtube?

[halcyon bear]

Yeah! I upload doom there. After eviternity I'll be uploading 2016

[prisma forge]

whats the channel name

[halcyon bear]

https://youtube.com/channel/UCrg6gBmVckSoO_fSQpMjfuQ

Right there !

[prisma forge]

those syringe thumbnails give me the creeps lol

i heard a lot about sigil, is it really good?

[halcyon bear]

Its really good in my opinion but ball breaking!

[rigid bridge]

no what i got that from him

[sullen wagon]

gou already corrected me, i just heard u say it first

[rigid bridge]

lol

[slim pebble]

I'm trying to replicate the dimensional flux from Doom 3 ROE's penultimate level in SnapMap.

[nimble vessel]

can you "re-hear/re-read" the Slayer Testaments from the Codex screen, like all other Data Logs?

[flint dune]

The Slayer Testaments are added as codex pages once you discover them, and you can read them from there. You can’t replay the audio from that screen though.

[royal chasm]

you can read them yes but AFAIK you can't play the recording again

[brisk osprey]

what's snap map?

[wispy verge]

D16's level creator

[elder meadow]

Somebody please help me play multiplayer for the trophy, I got all trophies except multiplayer ones

Can I ping somebody to help me?

[wispy verge]

I am a big dum dum

Time for the cyberdemon fight, down him on my first try in the first stage and I just cant glory kill him

I did this like 4 more times before realising I have to press F AND NOT E

second stage went smooth though so yeah

this no HUD run is going well

[wispy verge]

first time clearing both stages without a death(at least on NM)

[elder meadow]

@white elm

I need you to explain right now what the heck is this

So I upgraded every single rune, I got the upgrading all runes trophy, AND I DONT OWN THE GAINING ALL RUNES TROPHY

@spice beacon

Please help me, I'm farming the platinum trophy and I'm so close

What is this glitch

[harsh cave]

bethesda launcher?

if so i'd bet its some classic bethesda glitching

[elder meadow]

Thank you Bethesda , I'm never ever gonna try to get all tophies on your games again

There's a mission challenge glitched on me that I can't get, the 2 runes one on Lazarus lab

There's also the all runes, I swear I upgraded all runes and got all runes

How can I not get the goddamn trophy, I'm so mad right now, I spent +50 hours trying to get this

[harsh cave]

you should dig deeper though, i dont know much about bethesda as a whole except for the whole "everything is buggy" thing

[elder meadow]

Internet says the only fix is delete your save, make a new one and get the runes from the main game only

I can't believe this

Also the multiplayer trophies are impossible at this time

So I was destined to give up, after getting 77% trophies

[loud torrent]

Okay but like who else as a kid was scared of the demon design in doom 2016

[halcyon bear]

Kid

[wispy verge]

woo first no HUD NM run complete

it was um... a challenge for sure

main problem was my aim

and maybe the fact that I couldnt see how much of everything I had

Ill be turning the HUD on next time but I think Ill leave my crosshair off

[prisma forge]

bruh they should do a patch to buff plasma rife in 2016 its very underwhelming

the mods are fine but the base gun is wack

[wispy verge]

yeah theyre not going to

[halcyon bear]

The mods are where its at

[prisma forge]

the base gun feels like im shooting soap bubbles and enemies don't even react to it

[spice beacon]

Don't tag me for this

[halcyon bear]

You have to start a new playthrough and redo it unfortunately

Do not use an existing save file

[slim pebble]

Vortex Rifle is such a cool-looking gun.

[autumn crater]

Yeah its pretty cool

[fiery yoke]

I adore people who try to ping everyone in a several thousand member server

[jolly geyser]

Get out

[royal chasm]

Not cool to tag everyon

[rigid bridge]

holy shit what a fucking pest

[woeful echo]

@median pond why talk about a PC/mobile game that’s completely not about doom? No hate though

Even though this was an hour ago

[flint dune]

They spammed that message in every Doom channel. It was an attempt to troll the server…apparently.

[prisma forge]

i love how these kids somehow all spell the name of the game wrong too

[rigid bridge]

"amogus" is a meme

its probably an intentional misspelling

[prisma forge]

so are they actually asking people to join a game or just trolling

[rigid bridge]

no clue

maybe a bit of both

[nocturne escarp]

amogus

amogus cringe

[last rapids]

no

[nocturne escarp]

doom based

yes

based = good

Top definition
based
A word used when you agree with something; or when you want to recognize someone for being themselves, i.e. courageous and unique or not caring what others think. Especially common in online political slang.

The opposite of cringe, some times the opposite of biased.

thats biased

you're talking about biased
based is more of a online term

ok

[wispy verge]

Yesterday I got to experience whats it like to shoot mastered micro missiles while having the speed powerup

maybe a little poggers

[wispy verge]

also, is it just me, or the long waves of imps and hell knights in Argent D'Nur is annoying as hell

[fiery yoke]

I still find it funny that the imps are playing like it's a cover shooter

[wispy verge]

stop running away babies

[fiery yoke]

gets hit by a fireball on nightmare once
https://youtu.be/OXiTmYGMWcQ

[wispy verge]

yes

in late game theyre kinda just chainsaw bait

also guass ammo eaters

only if I could hit them and not miss almost all my shots

[fiery yoke]

Explosives are nice

[wispy verge]

perhaps

always just forget about the explosive shot on the shotgun

Is it a problem if I only use the default grenade, and even then only sometimes?

[fiery yoke]

Maybe

Frags aren't shit but you really should use the explosive shot more often

[delicate bobcat]

why are there places on the map that I cant access, like on the first level theres an entire room 100 ft underground, and in the foundry I think, there's a maze looking bit, and where the entrance should be, there is a wall

[fiery yoke]

Heh

[delicate bobcat]

let me in let me in LET ME IN

[wispy verge]

uh what

[delicate bobcat]

Inaccessible areas, grey and on the map, but theres no entrance

[fiery yoke]

Secrets

[wispy verge]

probably classic maps

[fiery yoke]

The foundry is massive so you will definitely miss something first time through

[royal chasm]

I know the answer if you wish to know

[fiery yoke]

On the first level that's the tutorial room

[delicate bobcat]

well I now know that the first level one is the tutorial part, but i have no idea about the foundry one

[royal chasm]

The foundry one is the classic map. There's a bridge heading to the "maze looking bit", and next to that bridge there's a platform. On that platform is a lever you can pull to open the door

[delicate bobcat]

Ah, i was confused cause all the classic map doors had an obvious texture

The pannel slides up

[royal chasm]

Yeah see, they hide it

[delicate bobcat]

I see

[wispy verge]

for me the doors for them sometimes disappear at some viewing angles for a split second

[fiery yoke]

@woeful echo best to start on dexterity

[woeful echo]

Ok thanks

[fiery yoke]

My normal tree is:
Dexterity -> environmental protection -> equipment -> exploration

Upgrading all of these as necessary over the course of the game

[wispy verge]

I just buy whatever seems important

[amber frigate]

Environmental protection isn’t that important

[wispy verge]

unless youre like me and shoot rockets point blank sometimes

[fiery yoke]

Say that to my face when an imp kills you with an explosive barrel again

[amber frigate]

That’s never happen to me

[fiery yoke]

Or you rocket yourself because the damage is way too high

[amber frigate]

I never used the rocket launcher

[fiery yoke]

Da fuq

[wispy verge]

excuse me what

[amber frigate]

Why would i use it if guass canon is broken and doesn’t do damage to urself?

[fiery yoke]

Ammo conservation

[royal chasm]

excuse you, it's VERY important especially early game

[amber frigate]

In doom 2016?

[fiery yoke]

Yes

[amber frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

[fiery yoke]

I use combos personally

[amber frigate]

I don’t in 2016

[royal chasm]

When people post dumb stuff like this it reminds me that people think the mid-end game is the whole game. Early game ammo conservation is really important

[wispy verge]

Im actually kinda interested to see some of your gameplay

[amber frigate]

It’s really not tho ive never run out of ammo in 2016

[fiery yoke]

Then you're barely using your weaponry

[royal chasm]

seriously what are you just punching everything to death

or are you playing on easy

[amber frigate]

I only use the shotgun for early game and guass on late game

[fiery yoke]

Not saying it's bad but really, the game gets boring with just 1 gun

[wispy verge]

do you also use rich get richer?

[amber frigate]

Yes

[royal chasm]

That's not possible on nightmare lol

[amber frigate]

It is

[wispy verge]

gameplay wen

[fiery yoke]

It is possible you just gotta dodge

[amber frigate]

especially that glory kills give you anmo

[royal chasm]

bullshit, I've played 2016 a dozen times. You can't NOT swap weapons

[fiery yoke]

You can

[amber frigate]

Not as well as doom eternal

[royal chasm]

Maybe if you're a great dodger you can use mobile turret and rich get richer

[fiery yoke]

I've played both sides of the coin, I prefer quick switching

[fiery yoke]

Actually you can do it way better if you use some fancy tech

[royal chasm]

but no, I call BS on all that. Even before I learned about quick swapping I had to conserve ammo and, like, give a shit about different weapons to win

[amber frigate]

Fancy tech? Like mods?

[fiery yoke]

No no just knowing a few things like animation skips or to make actions faster

[wispy verge]

if you have all ammo upgrades, rich get richer and youre good at not getting hit then its possible

[amber frigate]

Dodging in 2016 is easier than in eternal

[royal chasm]

The only version of that I'll accept is that you can run around like an idiot with the rocket launcher but you gotta be mobile as hell

[fiery yoke]

Ngl on repeat playthroughs I mostly use the shotgun early game and do light switches on anything bigger then a hell razer, once I get a substantial weapon supply I crank up the aggression

[fiery yoke]

Fuck no

Dashing absolutely cheeses projectiles

[amber frigate]

It is since enemies are more aggressive in eternal

[wispy verge]

when you have the SSG, Gauss and the Rocket launcher is when it gets

[amber frigate]

Actually it’s when it starts getting tedious

[royal chasm]

Dodging in Eternal is basically impossible lol, just because of the sheer volume of enemies. Sure, its easy to dash and dodge a single thing like a marauder axe but when there's a bunch of soldiers and imps and a tyrant... you're getting hit

[fiery yoke]

Yeah but they aren't Karl Fairburne levels of accurate

[royal chasm]

Do you hate fun because it sounds like you hate fun

[wispy verge]

meh

[amber frigate]

They’re more accurate in eternal especially in harder difficulties

[fiery yoke]

Accuracy does not change on difficulty

2016 demons change accuracy to difficulty

[wispy verge]

early game is kinda boring tbh, you only get some hell knights and revenants at max

[amber frigate]

So? That doesn’t make 2016 demons more accurate you can literally just move around and never get hit if ur moving

[wispy verge]

and when you have those weapons the game starts throwing shit at you

[fiery yoke]

They are literally more accurate

Factually undeniable

[amber frigate]

Make an argument

[wispy verge]

*casually ignores convo*
I dont even know why I master lock on, I never use the feature it unlocks

[fiery yoke]

2016 imps on nightmare are basically walking snipers who lead their shots and will screw you over since you don't have air control or anything of the sort early game.

Eternal imps on nightmare are the same as ITYTD imps but shoot more and do a little bit more damage

[fiery yoke]

It has a hidden stat in eternal that allows you to switch off it faster

[royal chasm]

I don't use that feature in 16 OR Eternal lol, I master all weaps just for completion's sake

[wispy verge]

seems interesting, wish D16 had that

[amber frigate]

They’ll screw you over if ur not in constant movement

[wispy verge]

switching off of lock on after using it takes forever

[fiery yoke]

Literally everything will screw you if you're not in constant movement

[royal chasm]

I'm remote det all day erry day

[amber frigate]

Doom 2016 makes you learn to move eternal makes you get health after you get hit

[wispy verge]

the more damage and such seems nice, might try a wrong mods only run

[fiery yoke]

Shit mods get good if you master them so please go ahead

[royal chasm]

Remote det is the shittttt it's awesome. I never use lock on now that I figured out how remote det works

[fiery yoke]

Core difference here, I love both personally

[amber frigate]

Doom 2016 is in my top 3 games

[fiery yoke]

Fav game of all time

[amber frigate]

That’s eternal

I’ve played 70+ games according to my library

[royal chasm]

It's hard to choose between 16 and Eternal. They're very similar but also SO DIFFERENT. Eternal gets big big points for being so punishing. But it loses points for the amount of time it spends destroying its own continuity with confusing-ass lore. 16 has that beautiful grounded "realism" to it, but also loses points for locking you in a room and making you listen to Hayden

[wispy verge]

mods like the wind up mod for the chaingun just seem really useless

[royal chasm]

I love them both dearly, they're phenomenal games

[amber frigate]

Who cares about lore?

[wispy verge]

no one

[royal chasm]

#833975896196120626 and the tons of conversation in it

[fiery yoke]

It's actually great for mid combat so you don't have to worry winding it down

[amber frigate]

If lore gets sacrificed for the rule of cool I’m down

[royal chasm]

It wasn't, though. It's just a confusing mess for no reason

[amber frigate]

I know but if they do that

[royal chasm]

Right but they didn't so it's irrelevant

[wispy verge]

if its bad I guess Ill just go back to the other mod

[fiery yoke]

Some weapon mods are better for snapmap than campaign tbh

[amber frigate]

What? I’m saying if they consider doing it I’m fine with it

[royal chasm]

Right. but they didn't so that is not relevant to my statement

[wispy verge]

yeah I only really play the campaign :/

[fiery yoke]

If we had the combat of Eternal + the artstyle, brutality, and story direction of 2016 we would have a masterpiece worthy of being hung above god's fireplace

[royal chasm]

Anywho. I think Eternal wins out because of the way the combat loop allows for long-ass arenas. The regenerating chainsaw and flame belch make it so if you're skilled, you can fight forever. In Doom, ammo runs out eventually

[royal chasm]

Doom Eternal 2: The 2016ening

[amber frigate]

I prefer eternal’s art-style

[fiery yoke]

My biggest issue and greatest love for Eternal is it's sole focus on combat

[amber frigate]

Why is it an issue?

[wispy verge]

Id love that so much

[fiery yoke]

Too much is lost in favor of the game revolving around the combat, but in return we have the greatest combat flow every created

Double edged sword

[amber frigate]

The combat is the most important thing in a doom game

[fiery yoke]

No it isn't and I'm tired of trying to believe it

There's so much more than that

[royal chasm]

wat. don't get me wrong I LOVE a good story but doom is not doom without ripping and tearing

[amber frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-steve-harvey-really-gif-14173355

What is? The story?

[fiery yoke]

Me too, but honestly eternal did one too many drugs and wrote it's lore.
It's batshit fucking insane

[royal chasm]

The lore is insane, yes. I have spent much time in the #833975896196120626 channel trying to make sense of it. Multiverses are awful

[fiery yoke]

There's also:
Secrets
Level design
Environmental detail

[amber frigate]

You think this is insane? You should read marvel comics

[amber frigate]

They’re all better in eternal

[royal chasm]

i deliberately avoid them for that reason. marvel and dc make shit comics

[amber frigate]

Especially slayer gates

[wispy verge]

slayer gates on D16 would have been awesome

I guess rune trials are sorta like them? I dunno

[royal chasm]

not even close

[amber frigate]

They’re only gimmicks

[royal chasm]

I am glad we didnt do rune trials again, but making us upgrade runes woulda been dope

[amber frigate]

I prefer how they did it here the less rpg mechanics the better

I’m in a movie gtg

[fiery yoke]

The secrets? Oh you mean 'break another unmarked wall to find another upgrade'?
Level design is actually fine imo but it sadly gives itself to linearity which is NOT a problem just makes everything inside it kinda worse.
Environmental detail is undoubtedly worse, sure the texture quality is upped to 11 and the places are visually appealing but it feels like no one's ever been there before you. It's too sterile for a doom game.

Reiterating my point that linearity isn't bad, it's how it's utilized. Eternal and 2016 are both linear but 2016 has different branching paths, rooms with goodies, and secrets hidden off in the map rather than placing them Infront of you. Eternal does do alot of this but to a much much smaller scale leading to repeat playthroughs feeling almost exactly the same, the fast travel feature is a bandaid for people who don't explore too intensely since you can just come back and grab a secret later rather than taking your time to really observe the area.

[wispy verge]

Kinda dont like how you have to downgrade the game and use external software to increase viewmodel FOV

[fiery yoke]

Comparing the games is pretty pointless though but this is just why I prefer the old over new in terms of personal enjoyment, like what you want.

But to say eternal doesn't have it's flaws is something I will thoroughly argue about

[fiery yoke]

Never had a problem with the weapon fov personally outside of the rocket launcher

[wispy verge]

Theyre just kinda close

theyre fine but Id prefer if they were a little farther from the cam

and maybe a little bit more.. down

[fiery yoke]

True, I wouldn't mind that either really

[wispy verge]

guess I could just use the classic pose

[fiery yoke]

Viable option

[amber frigate]

Wdym? exultia felt lived in thousands of years ago taras nabad also felt like that

Also arc base and parts of sgn

And secrets isn’t good in both games in ur logic

[fiery yoke]

Eternal has cookie cutter secrets

[amber frigate]

Ah yes because 2016 had the most complex ones

[chrome basin]

eternal level design is basically trash, idk how one can even argue it's comparable to 2016

[fiery yoke]

Exultia didn't feel like anyone had ever been there until you entered hell, the whole of the sentinel section is just clean with no hint of life

[amber frigate]

Literally how?

[fiery yoke]

In alot of cases yes, eternal only comes close in the blood swamps

[amber frigate]

It did? Gore doesn’t make a place feel lived in

[chrome basin]

2016 features complexity in pathing and architecture, and additionally features a few non-linear levels

[amber frigate]

Most levels were linear and blurred together in 2016

[chrome basin]

eternal simply uses disguised hallways and repetitive arena and platforming design for every single level

[royal chasm]

Argent Facility was nonlinear and the rest... was linear

[chrome basin]

eternal is copy/paste

[amber frigate]

As if 2016 wasn’t

[fiery yoke]

You're missing a few more things, like maybe weaponry lying around or even some more crates. A few dead sentinels plus more floor junk would make it look way more ancient and respectable

[chrome basin]

the foundry, and argent facility appeared twice

that's 3 levels out of 13

[amber frigate]

That’s literal copy paste

[chrome basin]

no, it wasn't

[fiery yoke]

Only argent facility cropped up twice and it added new areas

[royal chasm]

foundry sure, i accept that. but argent facility (destroyed) was much more linear than the first time you went there

[fiery yoke]

Might as well be a different mission

[royal chasm]

because the second time half the map was removed

[chrome basin]

look at 2016 platforming, where the argent tower is unlike anything else in the game. platforming throughout 2016 is also varied

eternal platforming, from the beginning to the end, involves the same principles repeated endlessly

[amber frigate]

It was also ganky

[royal chasm]

bro WHAT. eternal's platforming was such an improvement over 16

[chrome basin]

you're joking lol

just wow

[royal chasm]

It had everything that argent tower had and much more

[amber frigate]

Platforming in 2016 was ganky simpler than eternal and kills you if you miss once

[chrome basin]

and look at the arenas in eternal. circular arena, jump boosters, monkey bars, start to finish, over and over

[royal chasm]

the dash changed everything for the better

[chrome basin]

no variety in terms of level design

same shit over and over

[amber frigate]

Ah yes because 2016 was so varied

[fiery yoke]

Could you give a legitimate counter argument and not a statement?

[amber frigate]

I did

[chrome basin]

compared to eternal? hell yes. for starters, not every arena had boosters, not every arena had warps, the architecture was typically more varied than most stuff in eternal, etc.

[amber frigate]

Platforming in 2016 was ganky simpler than eternal and kills you if you miss once

[chrome basin]

dying if you fall to your death is not a statement in response to level design

and a lot of people had no problem with 2016's platforming (or eternal's for that matter. it's not an issue of difficulty)

[amber frigate]

It is since it’s too unforgiving and sometimes if you hit it right he still doesn’t climb up

[flint dune]

Ah, another 2016 to Eternal comparison again.

[royal chasm]

Sometimes I think eternal should have been instant-kill if you fall to your death, but I just want to be punished for my choice to play the game to begin with

[flint dune]

Though I will say. I don’t see how you think platforming in this game is varied. It’s either one jump or two jumps or wait for an opening.

[amber frigate]

2016 wasn’t varied at all because it had demons and that makes it unvaried why are you acting like warps somehow make an arena repetitive? They add complexity and variety to a fight

[royal chasm]

that is true in both games lmao

[silk acorn]

Can't we just accept that both games are different in their own right and have their own strengths?

[fiery yoke]

I tried my best to mix up the convo rather than make it a combat discussion

[royal chasm]

We can and we have, but we're DOOM players. We just like to fight

[silk acorn]

Nothing good comes from fighting

[flint dune]

Yes but this is #doom-2016 chat, I’m trying to avoid comparing mechanics with this game to Eternal and just view both games on their own.

[fiery yoke]

Entertainment

[chrome basin]

look at how organic 2016's was. "realistic", in the scope of doom's universe. argent tower is huge and intimidating, so it makes sense to force a player to scale it and feel the tension of a potential fall. what was the purpose of eternal's platforming shoehorned into every single level, where there are nonsensical mario platforms that rise and fall while you're on them, monkey bars literally everywhere, and rotating flaming blades to impede progress? a) it breaks immersion in a series that always used to be grounded in pseudo-realism, b) it often is nonsensical in terms of the overall design of the level, c) there's very little purpose to it other than artificially extending levels in inorganic ways

[royal chasm]

bruh it's DOOM. fighting is the whole reason we are here

[chrome basin]

i am saying, if every single arena in eternal features jump boosters, monkey bars, and similar architecture that allows a player to zoom around a rounded arena with similar height variations, that is far more repetitive than 2016 that mixes it up far more often with limited movement options and unique architecture

[silk acorn]

Well, eternal was supposed to feel more arcadey and unrealistic

Fighting in game, not in the server

[fiery yoke]

This doesn't feel like a fight tbh

[amber frigate]

That “realism” made every level feel the same and would’ve made the combat objective harder since it’s hard to spot the demon and if I wanted to be scared I’d play re7 killing someone for one miss in ultra nightmare is dumb how does realism make a game more immersive? Doom eternal is as immersive as 2016 except the message in tag2

[chrome basin]

"supposed to". okay, but why? why design a doom game contrary to what the doom series has historically been?

[silk acorn]

Hugo wanted to change up the formula

[chrome basin]

to such an extreme variation in tone

[silk acorn]

Whatever Hugo tried to accomplish, it seemed to have worked in the end for most

[flint dune]

Well, since I’m guessing you haven’t watched any Eternal interviews or streams, then you probably wouldn’t know the purpose of Eternal’s platforming. It’s there to break up the combat, while still engaging the player. It acts as a way to train players in using new movement options so they can apply those skills in combat.

[silk acorn]

But some believe it changed up the doom formula too much

[amber frigate]

What? Those things add variety? and make movement objectively better

[chrome basin]

eternal quite easily could've been everything it was, except with a coherent immersive setting in line with the grounded action horror doom's always been

[amber frigate]

Horror and doom is like pineapple and pizza they don’t mix

[chrome basin]

the platforming in eternal is one of its least popular aspects. objectively that's the majority consensus opinion

[fiery yoke]

Imma let my phone charge and get back in a bit but I'm actually liking this convo

[amber frigate]

You should learn what objectively means

[fiery yoke]

Actually I have heard a shit ton of people say there's too much platforming

[silk acorn]

I'n not gonna lie, people complaining about the platforming alone is kinda petty, but understandable

[chrome basin]

i'm well aware of the definition. are you not?

as you seem confused

[amber frigate]

You are talking about people’s opinion and and it’s objective

[silk acorn]

I'm gonna be brutally honest here, i just didn't enjoy doom eternal because i'm not someone who enjoys action FPS games all that much ig

[misty tendon]

Typically I evaluate platforming in a first person shooter game on a case-by-case basis.

[chrome basin]

peoples' opinion is subjective. a consensus measured by polling or common review / user criticism is not, and the consensus itself would be objective when measured reliably

[flint dune]

Yet I can almost guarantee you that if the majority of those platforming sections got removed and replaced with empty corridors, people would once again complain like they did with 2016’s layout.

[chrome basin]

you are welcome for that distinction.

[misty tendon]

Doom 2016 has solid platforming mechanics in comparison to all other shooters.

[amber frigate]

Objectively literally means without people’s opinion

[misty tendon]

the level design rewards you for going out of your way to jump in dangerous or far out places

and there's plenty of compensation in case any jank arises

[chrome basin]

epic facepalm

[misty tendon]

like being able to pull yourself up automatically on most platforms .

[chrome basin]

whoosh.

[misty tendon]

that's pretty important if it's not the only aspect you're focusing on.

[amber frigate]

Um okay?

[chrome basin]

eternal's platforming could've been done in a much more organic way, and varied it up so that it wasn't the same thing throughout every level

[amber frigate]

As if 2016’s wasn’t

[chrome basin]

you've already proven you're severely underequipped for this conversation

[amber frigate]

How?

[royal chasm]

oi don't be a dick

[chrome basin]

^ above

[amber frigate]

For a grownup a baby is more mature than ur headass

[royal chasm]

I've gotten frustrated with folks here too but throwing out insults like that is childish and unnecessary

[royal chasm]

don't make it worse

[amber frigate]

Fair

[chrome basin]

yeah, you're right, dealing with some stuff irl atm. i apologize.

[amber frigate]

That’s not an excuse

Anyways

[flint dune]

Well I agree with the organic part of that statement, though if you really need to compare Eternal’s platforming to 2016, I found the addition of scaling walls, monkey bars, dashing and shootable triggers much more varied than what 2016 had to offer…platforming-wise.

But hey, that’s just me. If you found it monotonous, to each their own. I liked it

[chrome basin]

it offered more options in comparison to 2016, but it was still repetitive in the scope of eternal

from the 2nd level to the last, it used and reused the same concepts over and over and over again

[amber frigate]

They’re still short and skippable with the right skills

I love the platforming in urdark

[chrome basin]

how are they skippable?

[amber frigate]

Ballista boosting and yeet hooking

[fiery yoke]

Damned if you do damned if you don't

[chrome basin]

yeet hooking requires a demon, and most platforming sections focus on the platforming rather than combat. ballista boosting doesn't work to skip entire sections of platforming that i can regularly remember. there are of course endless glitches to skip broad swaths of the game, but all of this is irrelevant to the design of these sections to force most players through them

[royal chasm]

I never yeeted myself with ballista but god, why didn't I

Yeethook was awesome but I never skipped stuff. I kill every demon

[chrome basin]

2016 didn't even have "platforming" for the most part other than argent tower, rather there was more organic traversal of the environment

[royal chasm]

guts. huge guts. rip and tear your guts

[chrome basin]

i'm trying to think what other environments really emphasized it

[amber frigate]

Some platforming are close to combat arenas like in sgn and ballista boosting does in alot of platforming sections

[fiery yoke]

Nothing exactly emphasizes it, it's more like little bite sized jump areas

[chrome basin]

yeah i mean it's just natural 3d movement throughout the environment

[fiery yoke]

FUCK the pit on Advanced research complex though

[chrome basin]

i guess there was that

[flint dune]

Yes, but rather than one jump or two, you had to sometimes dash to a wall, shoot a trigger or use monkey bars. They could have done more with these features, sure, but it certainly isn’t the same thing every time you come across a platforming section. I understand what you mean, 2016 blended platforming into its environment and had players traverse the terrain in unique ways, but stripping that down to its basic mechanics, it’s always jump to this and that and nothing more.

[chrome basin]

yes, i was just about to say that

[royal chasm]

Ah yes I remember that. That part was fun

[fiery yoke]

Anytime I think about that specific little bit I remember why I haven't done 2016 UN

[amber frigate]

I find it dumb how doomguy dies if you miss a platforming section

[chrome basin]

so much of eternal was jumping to a volatile platform, jumping to the next platform or monkey bar, shooting a trigger to lower a wall, etc. rinse and repeat, from the 2nd level to the last. well, actually, the final level was more restrained and organic in terms of the platforming, and made sense jumping from building to building.

i think most ppls' criticism was how inorganic it was

and certainly the repetition of the same concepts again and again and again just further cemented their disdain for the component

[amber frigate]

Remove the ors and you have 2016’s

[chrome basin]

you keep saying that

[amber frigate]

Because it’s true

[royal chasm]

I was working on that for a while. Might go back someday. Made it through the foundry on UN

[chrome basin]

chives, explain to me where 2016 featured repetitive platforming

[flint dune]

Which I would agree with. I do wish Eternal made more of an effort to blend its platforming into the environment. I’d say the DLC expansions got much better at this, at least in TAG 1.

[chrome basin]

we'll wait

[silk acorn]

I guess what is being said here, is that doom eternal's platforming felt more forced onto the player and didn't blend well with the environment

[amber frigate]

That one level in the Tower the kandegr sanctum and alot more

[chrome basin]

yeah, TAG1 was better. i felt the meathook trigger points in TAG2 again a bit contrived. if they had been made to act and blend more seamlessly/organically into the environment, i would've preferred that, as it was a good idea in principle, but in its execution i found it to be lazily implemented (or designed for the lowest common denominator player)

[fiery yoke]

Kadingir doesn't have that much platforming

[amber frigate]

It was still repetitive

[chrome basin]

yes, the tower, we have acknowledged that as the one level in 2016 that emphasized platforming

[fiery yoke]

It does have samey bits but they're really, really short

[amber frigate]

Eternal’s was also short

[chrome basin]

no, it wasn't

[fiery yoke]

No. Not at all.

[amber frigate]

It was at most they were 20 seconds

[royal chasm]

YEah eternal's platforming was so brief that after my first playthrough I forgot it was even there

[fiery yoke]

Do it without air control, like it was intended.

Air control just cheeses every platforming section

[royal chasm]

Actually my first time I DID do it without air control, because I thought the idea of air control was not useful. Then I learned it was extremely useful and now I wonder how I ever did anything without it

[chrome basin]

anyone who is attempting to compare the amount of designed platforming between eternal and 2016 as if they appear in equal amounts is clearly being disingenuous

[amber frigate]

It’s not cheesing

And why do you think aircontrol wasn’t intended?

[royal chasm]

Well because it's optional. Maybe you picked different runes. It's designed for those players too

Think about how infuriating it would be if you had to switch runes for a 10-second platforming session

my god this coffee sucks

[fiery yoke]

Notice how you can skip multiple jumps in almost every section by having the rune equipped. It's an optional feature that makes platforming laughable.

[chrome basin]

admittedly eternal's rinse and repeat approach to combat arenas, coupled with the meathook, obviously encouraged and in fact forced far more movement in combat than did 2016. so doom ended up playing more like quake than past doom iterations. doom 2016 combat could often be handled by setting up camp in a spot and controlling the spawns or influx of demons from overwhelming the player

[amber frigate]

Intended but it’s not a must like how blasting the mancbus’s canon is the intended way to kill them but not a must

[fiery yoke]

Not a primary point but just saying that we shouldn't take air control into account for platforming times since it basically makes them irrelevant

[amber frigate]

Most people say 2016 gets repetitive at the end but eternal doesn’t

[chrome basin]

well, 2016's final level was underwhelming, and it didn't help that it repeated its arenas 3x during each well portion

eternal felt extremely repetitive to me

[amber frigate]

It and vega core

[chrome basin]

people love vega core

[amber frigate]

Not to me I’ve only been recently burnt out of it

[fiery yoke]

The key difference in my eyes is that 2016 doesn't have dedicated weapons for specific enemies, it gets repetitive only if you allow yourself to do so. You can play how you like and it won't punish you for it if you're not stupid.

[amber frigate]

It’s still rinse and repeat

[chrome basin]

even martin acknowledged vega core was like, the culmination of the challenge of the game, and the high point of the innumerable barrage of big bads

[amber frigate]

That doesn’t make it not rinse and repeat

[chrome basin]

how could one not make the same argument for eternal?

and that gets back into my original point of level design. there were never any other arenas that looked and played quite like vega core's two final areas

[amber frigate]

Because final sin and urdak were varied with their platforming

[chrome basin]

whereas in eternal, most arenas felt indistinguishable

[halcyon bear]

[fiery yoke]

Looking back now I really don't see much variation in those 2 final levels of Eternal

[chrome basin]

final sin wasn't varried at all

[amber frigate]

You could just bfg everything in the last arena with the 3 bfg shots and the 3 you already have

[fiery yoke]

Start chugging an entire barrel

[halcyon bear]

[chrome basin]

urdak was, admittedly, but i don't think a lot of people enjoyed those air boosts

[amber frigate]

I enjoyed it alot

[halcyon bear]

I honestly don't really care. It's nice people discuss what they love

[chrome basin]

to each their own. and yeah, you're right about the bfg having way too much ammo in 2016

especially with rich get richer fully upgraded

[fiery yoke]

RGR didn't affect the BFG

[amber frigate]

And that one rune that drops bfg ammo with glory kills

[chrome basin]

am i thinking of the right one? the ammo one

[amber frigate]

No

[chrome basin]

the fully upgraded ammo rune that drops bfg ammo

[fiery yoke]

I can cheese multiple arenas in final sin with the BFG because it stuffs you with super weapon ammo

[amber frigate]

It’s that

[halcyon bear]

Legit broken

[chrome basin]

ah, my bad

[amber frigate]

Better than 2016

[fiery yoke]

If it wasn't for the emoji at the end I would be ungodly pissed rn

[chrome basin]

2016 drops bfg ammo simply by killing, it doesn't even require glory kills. you can bfg a whole room and have the bfg'd demons drop numerous bfg ammo

[fiery yoke]

Yeah that rune is broke asf, I use it solely for the ammo drops for standard weaponry

[royal chasm]

it was beautiful

[amber frigate]

That and rich gets richer

[halcyon bear]

It makes the game piss easy I avoid it completely

[fiery yoke]

RGR only affects standard weaponry

[amber frigate]

Rgr?

[royal chasm]

rich get ruicher

[amber frigate]

Ah

Use rgr and that one that gives bfg ammo

[halcyon bear]

Rich get richer is another one I avoid. Just don't even bother if you're trying to have fun

[fiery yoke]

Gougaru you have no idea how much I appreciate you in this chat sometimes

[chrome basin]

idk, i'm more willing to forgive game design that presents options to cheese a game, like ammo boost allowing constant bfg cheese, since the player can simply ignore it if he wants the original challenge

[halcyon bear]

I appreciate you too

[fiery yoke]

😊

[chrome basin]

rather than stuff i feel is simply bad design in general that i'm forced to put up with

[royal chasm]

I actually die MORE with RGR, because I get cocky and lazy lol

[amber frigate]

@halcyon bear @fiery yoke get a room together jeez

[fiery yoke]

Team deathmatch but we're on the same team

[amber frigate]

What you think is bad design isn’t actually bad design

[chrome basin]

and i do enjoy immersive-based level design and consistency more than other stuff, probably. so even though 2016's design allows a more camp and control approach to combat, which is admittedly less involved and sophisticated compared to eternal's, because the level design is more complex and varied, i end up preferring it

[misty tendon]

and that's something that a lot of great games are made out of - fun 🙂

[chrome basin]

what you think is good design isn't actually good design

[misty tendon]

doom 2016 gives you dozens of different ways to blast through its levels. so there's bound to be fun there !

[royal chasm]

you aint forced to put up with one goddamn thing, we all chose to be here and rip and tear

[amber frigate]

Like rgr and that one run isn’t good design

The platform in 2016 wasn’t good design

The difficulty wasn’t good design

[chrome basin]

again, we go back to that word OBJECTIVELY

OBJECTIVELY, the majority disagree with you

[royal chasm]

false

[chrome basin]

true

[amber frigate]

That’s not what objectively means

[chrome basin]

you still have absolutely no idea what objectively means

[fiery yoke]

Drop the definition

[royal chasm]

Yeah... I'm with chives on this one lmao

[chrome basin]

if 100 people are polled and 80 people state one thing over another

[amber frigate]

According to google objectively means in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions

[fiery yoke]

They cheese the game but they're not required

[chrome basin]

it is objective that the majority stated that one thing

[royal chasm]

when you conduct the poll you can say that. until then, can it

[chrome basin]

google

scan reviews

scan forum criticism

far more were critical of the platforming than those who voiced support of it

[royal chasm]

Don't say that. Show it. Prove your point

[amber frigate]

Literally no one cares about ign and wired

[chrome basin]

vega bot told me i couldn't link a google search result

google doom platforming, like 80% of the results are criticisms

on the front page

gamesindustry.biz doom eternal critical consensus (again, can't link): Id Software's latest shows brilliance in its bombast, but dabbles in platforming and world building with less success

[amber frigate]

Since doom eternal made 450 million dollars at least 7 million people bought it did you talk to all of them?

[chrome basin]

keep moving those goalposts with unrealistic dodges

[amber frigate]

What?

An objective pole means to talk to all of them

If it’s not realistic that means it probably can’t be objective

[fiery yoke]

Objective = fact
Popular opinion is a better term for this

[halcyon bear]

Popular opinion the doom movies sucked

[fiery yoke]

^

[halcyon bear]

Or is that objective

[amber frigate]

that’s objective 😩

[chrome basin]

objectively, popular opinion was the doom movies sucked

[halcyon bear]

Because I don't know who would like them

[royal chasm]

Objectively, the doom movies subjectively sucked. Objectively.

[chrome basin]

you see how that works

[royal chasm]

(I actually know a few 2005 Doom movie fans lmao)

Semper fi, motherfucker!

[amber frigate]

I feel bad for them

[fiery yoke]

(sure as shit better than the 2019 movie)

[halcyon bear]

I'm your ultra nightmare motha fuckas

[chrome basin]

to state that objectively, more americans voted against trump in 2020 than voted for him, is a fact

[amber frigate]

Well watching an imp decompose is better than 2019

[chrome basin]

to state that objectively, the majority of voiced opinion on the internet about eternal's platforming was negative, is again fact

it's really sad that this has to be explained

[amber frigate]

Read the definition of objective to see how what you said was wrong

[fiery yoke]

Objective does not correlate at all to opinions

Double tap

[chrome basin]

once again, whoosh.

[halcyon bear]

No spamming

Why

I like spam

[amber frigate]

Spam and rice kinda slaps

[fiery yoke]

That's....not how woosh works and it's a shitty trend

[fiery yoke]

Shit now I'm hungry

[halcyon bear]

Whoosh is the sound you make when you platform in eternal

[chrome basin]

whoosh indicates the point being entirely lost on the person being responded to. so, 100% apt in this instance

[amber frigate]

Take spam and rice roll it in seaweed

[halcyon bear]

Id eat that

[fiery yoke]

I know what it means but I'm so god damned tired of seeing copy pasted everywhere like YouTube comments

[royal chasm]

I think that's called sushi

[fiery yoke]

Pet peeves aside...

[royal chasm]

wooosh

[fiery yoke]

Kill me

[amber frigate]

Woosh

[chrome basin]

[halcyon bear]

cheers to platforming and eternal level design

[fiery yoke]

Vega play BFG Division

[alpine mortar]

https://youtu.be/QHRuTYtSbJQ

[halcyon bear]

[royal chasm]

That wasn't spam! It was the lyrics to BFG division

[fiery yoke]

Wait lemme test something...

Vega play rules of nature

Damn 😔

[amber frigate]

Vega play never gonna give you up

[royal chasm]

Vega play Harbinger

What does the bot only know BFG Division?

[amber frigate]

Vega play the only thing they fear is you

[fiery yoke]

Does it only work for BFG division?

[royal chasm]

Vega play BFG Division

[alpine mortar]

https://youtu.be/QHRuTYtSbJQ

[amber frigate]

Probably

[royal chasm]

WOW.

[fiery yoke]

Vega play Rip & Tear

[amber frigate]

Vega play BFG Division

[alpine mortar]

https://youtu.be/QHRuTYtSbJQ

[fiery yoke]

Ok wow

If a mod reads this, add more music options cuz I want a Harbinger link whenever I want

[royal chasm]

Don't get me wrong it's the best piece of Doom music but c'mon

Meathook SLAPS

[amber frigate]

It is

[fiery yoke]

I have several thousand hours on BFG Division as is I don't need more

[royal chasm]

Kar En Tuk
Kar En Tuk
Kar En Tuk
Kar En Tuk
Kar And Tear
Rip And Tear
Rip And Tear
sick guitar riff

[amber frigate]

I personally prefer the only thing they fear is you

[misty tendon]

RIP N TEAR until its done !!

[amber frigate]

No

[fiery yoke]

The remixes of rip and tear on YT go hard asf though. Just saying

[amber frigate]

That gave trauma of my failed un attempts

[fiery yoke]

I replay hell on earth deaf cuz I have heard the audio so many times im questioning if I could do it in my sleep

[amber frigate]

Fair

Not as hard as uaca ‘s heavy fighting in that one part

[misty tendon]

@amber frigate they don't call it ultra nightmare for nothin, that demands total mastery of the game. The highest I've done was ultra-violence!

[fiery yoke]

We needed more 2016 songs in eternal

[elder meadow]

Uh

[royal chasm]

We had exactly the right amount of 2016 in Eternal. Mick made some great leitmotifs in the score

[elder meadow]

Any doom switch players 😎

[amber frigate]

You liked taras nabad ml?

[misty tendon]

if you can get extremely far without the extended gauss cannon that's something to be extremely proud of !

[fiery yoke]

I find the real heavy parts never play in-game unless I tap photomode and wait

[elder meadow]

I like what?

[misty tendon]

and even then it takes effort to get that upgraded sniper.

[amber frigate]

Taras nabad master level

Or are you playing doom 2016

[elder meadow]

2016 and eternal

[amber frigate]

It’s in eternal but not for switch yet atleast

[fiery yoke]

Uh chives, switch players are behind on updates

[amber frigate]

I know

[elder meadow]

I can pisschill in bed and play doom 😎

[fiery yoke]

Over the micro missiles?

[elder meadow]

But am league addict sadge

[amber frigate]

I can play it on 1080p and 60 fps

[elder meadow]

We got first dlc for eternal :troll:

[fiery yoke]

We have 2

[elder meadow]

Can u play in bed 😎

[amber frigate]

With ps remote play

[royal chasm]

why would i want that

[amber frigate]

yes

[elder meadow]

I dont even buy dlc so dont care

[elder meadow]

Why not 😎

[amber frigate]

I feel sorry for you

[elder meadow]

Why

[halcyon bear]

[fiery yoke]

What are we even arguing about

[royal chasm]

ah the Doom Eternal DLCs are excellent though

[halcyon bear]

[amber frigate]

Because they slap

[halcyon bear]

This is doom 2016 chat

[elder meadow]

Well dont care pretty much

Am just doom enjoyer playing for fun

[royal chasm]

Picture doom eternal, but more of it and new demons and pew pew bang bang kaPOW

that's the expansions

[elder meadow]

Nah

I enjoy w what i have atm

[royal chasm]

Take a note from the billionaire class and demand MORE

[elder meadow]

No

[royal chasm]

probably for the best

[dark vapor]

:D im here!

[royal chasm]

Greetings comrade, and welcome... TO THE REVOLUTION

[dark vapor]

Hello

Hey uhh i need help on snap map sadly

[royal chasm]

never used it, good luck

[dark vapor]

Oh

Bummer
None of my ps4 friends have it either
Oof

[wispy verge]

arent there tutorials?

like, in game

[dark vapor]

Well this snap map Im doing is the hard category

Its the "Warcraft in DOOM" snapmap

Ive been trying it ever Since yesterday

[wispy verge]

oh so youre not creating a map, youre just playing one

nice

[dark vapor]

And i need help on it

I want someone to play it with me for extra help

[wispy verge]

sadge

[royal chasm]

Shoot demons, and then don't get shot by demons

good luck!

[dark vapor]

The imps in the levels keep hitting me. There the problem

[wispy verge]

hit them before they hit you

ginormous brain, I know

[dark vapor]

I start off with 1 hp.
I get 25 shield
But thats it until i can get more health from skill points

[wispy verge]

seems interesting

[dark vapor]

Its operating skill points like world of warcraft and other games

Which is cool

Then u have fragments. Which u use for new weapons

I start off with a burst
But i always have enough for the conbat after im done with the first dungeon

So thats good

I can then spend skill points for Health

But I still get hit my imps or exploders
So they take most of health

[jolly geyser]

Everyone complains about Imps, but I personally think Cyber-Mancubi are the fucking worst

[dark vapor]

Haven't seenem

So i dont know that problem

[wispy verge]

dont like them either

shooting their green c all over the place

[halcyon bear]

Love that design

[jolly geyser]

I like their design, but they're in my opinion, the most dangerous enemies in the entirety of the game

[fossil pawn]

Yo i have question

How do pinky’s go invisible

[fiery yoke]

They don't

They just....are

[wispy verge]

theyre kinda sus

[halcyon bear]

They were experimented with by the UAC using the optic nerve of a caco they were mutated. One escaped and bred with other pinkys developing spectres

[wispy verge]

is that actually written in the codex?

[halcyon bear]

Yeah

[wispy verge]

lmao

[fossil pawn]

How they fuck tho

[halcyon bear]

Ask your mom and dad

[fossil pawn]

But they have no pp

[wispy verge]

theyre demons from hell

[halcyon bear]

Many animals including birds have pee pees in their body and come out after

[rigid bridge]

What the fuck

Bullshit

[jolly geyser]

"The Spectre is the unfortunate result of a misguided attempt to genetically modify the Pinky. Several Pinkies were gathered during the first Lazarus Project's Tethering Operation (MTC 2146/351). Four of the captured beasts were vivisected. While three of these experiments resulted in the death of the subject, one resulted in a Pinky with limited psionic abilities. In an attempt to increase its ocular capacity, the optic nerve of a Cacodemon was transplanted into the Pinky. After the operation, the animal was returned to its enclosure to recover. It is believed the beast was accidentally released from its pen when its keeper, thinking the invisible Spectre had escaped, opened the gate. Several months after the first Spectre went missing, the second Tethering Operation (MTC 2147/016) captured two fertile specimens. Presumably, the original Spectre wandered into the Lazarus Wave testing facility and was teleported back to Hell by a Summoner. It is unknown how the Spectre managed to breed, but the psionic trait was carried to the offspring."

[halcyon bear]

How so ?

There you go

[jolly geyser]

The full codex entry from DOOM 2016

@rigid bridge

[halcyon bear]

I know my shit

When it comes to doom

[rigid bridge]

Oh wait I misread I thought that pinkies were mutated cacos

[jolly geyser]

lmao

[rigid bridge]

No I’m not doubting you I’m doubting the writers ability to not fuck up doom

[wispy verge]

doubting hugo smh

[halcyon bear]

I actually like the caco spectre story. uac always up to some jurrasic Park shit

[fossil pawn]

Its in the codex buddy

Theres no doubting

[royal chasm]

did you check

[rigid bridge]

Yes I understand but at first when I thought that pinkies were just genetically modified cacos I thought “why would they do this to my doom”

[fossil pawn]

Yes

[dark vapor]

E

Anyone got a ps4 so they can Help me on a snapmap with me?

[jolly geyser]

hugo isn't that great when it comes to storywriting

but he's a mastermind at gameplay direction

[indigo jackal]

is 2016's mp popping on xbox? downloadin' it to replay on my SX rn. miss death match :(

[fiery yoke]

Hell yeah

[delicate bobcat]

why no one play deathmatch, no ones loading in

[azure pawn]

Didn’t they turn spectres into spirits or some shit in eternal?

[jolly geyser]

I have no idea

[pulsar bolt]

hop on doom multiplayer free for all

[haughty ingot]

doom mutliplayer ffa pls pls pls

[dark vapor]

My bloods boiling cause of one Snapmap level! I got so far! It was a one life level, and i got so far than i have before but then i die by A Cyber-mancubus
I cant,i cant beat this snapmap without help!

[dark vapor]

Pc or console

[halcyon bear]

https://imgur.com/a/x96hZJN